People forget the founder of Aikido learn Daito Ryu. Very serious art of joint locks and throws. Some of your Aikido instructors kept up with this part of the martial arts. Very effective. I have studied different martial arts. My favorite close qt combat. It had some Aikido joint locks in it. It's effective when used. I give credit to those who continue on teaching the martial art way of Aikido.
Aikido is effective , but you must train hard first , as studied under a Highly Graded Sensie Miller in Dundee , there was effective techniques , but my body still aches , as we trained in a traditional Aikido , and some may have called it Aikjujitsu Hard to take strikes this was not easy , and atemi was used to Great effect , we used punches and Kicks , and they are needed , these were Fantastic Training , yes You Need Hard and Soft , and it is not a quick Path it Takes Time and Love , Thinking about all Martial Artists All Styles are Effective , Hard Graft and Practice is The Ki , Cheers From GRAHAM .
This was very interesting. I don't know if you'll ever see a comment on a two year old video, but I had to say that you opened my eyes to the meaning of a famous Bruce Lee quote that I personally always misunderstood and hated because of what I thought it meant. You see as a Catholic, I've always been taught that emotions are not reliable guides to truth. So when Bruce Lee said "Don't think feel" my mind reflexively recoiled. I reacted exactly like I did to Obi Wan Kenobi saying "Trust your Feelings, Luke". It didn't occur to me that Bruce was talking about senses not emotions. Thank you for helping me.
I took a Wing Chung and had a chance to touch hand with Kenneth Chung. What impress me the most how he was able to draw me down without pulling me down. I thought Wing Chun was about trapping and striking. This change my views about wing chun and interal martial.
Here's some context for anyone interested. Internal has many different meanings over time. For example external can mean strikes of any kind (think hammer). Soft can mean pressure points, joint locks, clinching, throws, evasion, off balancing, uprooting. EVERY martial art possesses these skills some more others due to civilized things such as rule sets for sports and straight up not wanting to or needing to seriously hurt someone. Aikido could be called Japanese/Brazilian jujitsu with the intent of de-escalating, completely avoiding. So basically your martial arts journey is never complete. Yin=soft yang=hard. We constantly fluctuate between both in a hard to achieve and even harder to maintain balance.
I don't know anything at all about martial arts and I would never claim to, but I am a big dude and I know how to throw an effective kick and a punch ect. At a party some dude was showing what he called aikido locks and stuff And it was working. I had few drinks so I volunteered and I dwarfed this little guy. He did get me a few times then I kinda understood what he was doing and it stopped working. He wasn't strong enough to make it work on me but im no giant really at 6,3 218lbs. It seems to be ALL about grabbing you and making you feel an instinctive "out" and it's almost a reflex that you start to go in that direction and they knock you off balance with almost no effort. It was cool but also seemed highly situational. I'm loving your channel, as I've gotten older this stuff interests me ALOT. I'm not a fighter AT ALL, I'm actually a guitar player musician but it's unbelievably fascinating and I can't get enough of it
I actually created this channel for older guys who might be interested in trying out martial arts. Thanks for watching, and I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. I took a 2 1/2 month break, but I've got some cool stuff planned for the remainder of the year!
You aren't entirely wrong but the way most people "beat" these locks is by tensing up. Which would allow him to either change position so he can easily make you fall or just walk away because there's no incoming force.
I have a very similar story, I worked at a boys and girls club for over 10 years and ran the boxing program we also rented out the space had to get two in the early a.m.‘s and judo once a week for a few months a year. Over the 10 years many strikers and martial artist would love to come in and test their skills with the boxers. but I will never forget This one character he wasn’t too old maybe in his mid-30s we called him Wilson but I don’t think that was his name anyways he came one day during judo through every black bat around like it was nothing inspired with some of my boxers nobody can hit him clean. after this I had to spar with him, Long story short Thursday never seen anything like it it was almost like he was rolling with my shots in the weirdest way why couldn’t get anything on him solid. then asked asked if we wanted to learn tai chi and through us around for another hour and a half. By this time it’s almost midnight and I should’ve shut the club down at 10 PM by myself two other boxing coaches a class of judo players and boxers watching this man with our mouth open! he came back a few times over the next four months then move to Hong Kong. One thing I have to add not only was he throwing us around in an old boxing ring and nobody was getting hurt he was tossing us but at the same time being gentle it was crazy!
hey, you got a really cool, humble, grounded foundation....so worth following you.....i like the emphasis on the internal especially when martial arts is really to fight with your OWN demons, baggage so you dont attrack the drama externally.................
I sent this to some of the senior students, but I don't think my teacher ever said this. Aikido doesn't work the same as I Liq Chuan. From what I've read from Roy Goldberg's blog, Aikido works more like Taijiquan. All internal arts do not work the same or produce the same qualities.
@@GoldenbellTraining - I was at the workshop when Sifu Chin said this. He did a series of quick demos (including ILQ, aikido, and taiji) showing how internal skill may look different based on the preferred techniques and tactics of a given internal art, but it’s powered by the same thing: whole-body use of yin and yang - the internal skill just wears different “masks” (since there are a variety of internal martial arts). If you look at aikido techniques with for example use of body planes, condense and expand, and absorb and project, in mind, his statement makes sense.
I'm pretty sure I met Roy Goldberg who visited my Aikido dojo over a decade ago. His techniques are pretty real although the theatrics of the students comes from not knowing how his "ever present" techniques will go. He didn't care for me that much as he felt I deviated from what he was demonstrating and using more traditional moves taught in Aikido. That was MY error in not understanding internal Aikido at that time. But he does have some real Jedi stuff going.
Even if training with a Master that has students who mastered his teachings, some students will choose the BS way or the Judo way instead of recognizing they don't have it: Stability, the mind, the energy, the Ki. It took me 4 years (3 classes a week + personal practice + monthly training camps) to start to get it. You don't learn a thing if your partners constantly do harmony training. Harmony training is good, but nothing beats a real attack and a bully of a partner. I was surrounded with guys who got it, and yes it hurt some times, and was mind blowing at others. In the club I practiced, there were no BS routes. There was a constant flow of new people who would quit after 2 years. They either got hurt, or left with techniques only.
Roy Goldberg was one of the jujutsu masters featured in the 200 years of jiu-jitsu video series on RUclips. This event took place back in the 1990’s. His technique there is less esoteric and more practical.
At 5:56 the man sitting with Roy Goldberg is Dan Harden. He learned from the same teacher as Roy as well as Roy himself but also reverse engineered the "Aiki" (not Aikido) for wrestling & MMA because these were the players available to him when he returned home. He teaches "Aiki" without Daito-Ryu forms/techniques so that any martial artist can "have it." To paraphrase the practitioners & teachers who teach "Aiki" in his way (and other teachers who would prefer to remain nameless), "Aiki" isn't a technique but a "body attribute." In his view & I agree, Aikido and Daito-ryu technique's "inner door" training is not using these techniques for fighting but for conditioning the body "towards" a quality / composition that he and Roy call "Aiki." A lot of Aikido Shihans and high ranking skilled teachers, for example William Gleason after some understandable skepticism checked him out & now learn from him.
Bill Gleason Sensei is another high ranked Aikido teacher who focuses on and teaches the internal part that makes aikido techniques work. He says the techniques don’t work-they are tools for developing aiki. However it does take specific instruction and patient work...it doesn’t come automatically from going through the motions...like no matter how long you boil sand you don’t get cooked rice. You are absolutely right that aikido is supposed to be an internal martial art.
Excluding all the internal talk.... from simple observation all I see is cooperative assisting demonstrators either grabbing the instructor by the wrist or getting grabbed, wrist locked and the assistant voluntarily throwing or tossing themselves once they reach their pain threshold. These are techniques not suitable for practical use unless a drunk guy is trying to get physical with you.
The other day I watched a video titled 'Bruce Lee's Secret Aikido Techniques' that analyzed movie scenes where Bruce Lee demonstrated the use of Aikido techniques. I don't know about the "top level" practitioners, but Aikido certainly contains techniques that are sophisticated enough for Bruce Lee to incorporate into his own martial arts repertoire.
@@GoldenbellTraining Aikido is thought to some military forces and police forces and has been used by bouncers for years and years like the black guy on Aikidoflow on RUclips he has used it for many years as a bouncer and any smart person knows it's all about the person using the art and there is bs teachers in Aikido,Jeet Kune Do,Kung Fu,Ninjutsu and other arts.Dan Inosanto said after Bruce died there were schools popping up where people claimed to have been thought by Bruce when Stephen K.Hayes returned from Japan taking Ninjutsu from Grandmaster Hatsumi in the 80's he said Ninjutsu schools were popping up even though he was the first American ninja unlike Frank Dux who Bloodsport was made about.
Pretty much every one of those Aikido throws appear to be fake. It looks like the recipient is simply dancing, and rolling to the Mat----intentionally!
I watched a vid years ago that talked about this exact situation in regards to Steven Seagal demonstrations. Long story short, if the students didn't help out a little, they would be seriously injured due to the amount of stress on the body if the moves were actually performed against a resisting opponent.
@@jp-ty1vd I have a 100th degree BB in common sense. However, if you just HAVE to know: All state wrestler in HS. BB in Kenpo Karate. Brown in Judo in college. BJJ with Royce Gracie and his brothers while in the Army and at that time belonged to an mma gym for several years. Look, if techniques aren't trained against full resistance then they suck. You aren't going to learn to fight unless you fight full contact. You try Aikido on the street against a fighter and you're just going to end up bleeding on the ground. Maybe you pull it off against some untrained teen or a drunk. Maybe.
Daitō-Ryū Aikijūjutsū is very effective in combat. It was used in warfare during the days of the Samurai. This was battlefield tested during ugly warfare. Aikidō is merely a pacifist art and it was harder when it started. But people have ruined it with soft demonstrations rather than how it was originally.
seeing rokas explore other martial arts and now revisit aikido to try to find its practical applications it would be really cool if you guys did a collab. I bet the both of you could learn something from each other
You know, most things Rokas "discovers" are taught within first three months of introduction course in my dojo - before you are even allowed to join regular class...
Aikido is not effective in the modern style of fighting like MMA, but there are techniques that are very effective and could inflict serious damage or even death. I've practiced this martial arts for 6 years before I started Muay Thai. A lot of fighters hated this Martial arts because of Steven Seagal, I found some techniques very effective against BJJ when I use to roll. You cannot under estimate this martial arts because of those silly magical techniques that you see on video. I've used this on a thief in a street fight, slammed him on the floor and broke his wrists...
The bottom line issue with most, "Traditional" martial arts, is that, quite simply---they are limited---some more than others when it comes right down to Real Life self-defense and combat. This is PRECISELY why Lee studied numerous Styles before Creating the ultimate philosophy.
It depends on what you consider "studying" numerous martial arts. From an academics standpoint what is considered "studying"? Investing years in honing the basics and only then starting to understand the deeper universal principles? Immersing yourself for years and decades learning a system inside and our? 10000 hour principle of mastering a skill? I don't believe Lee formally "studied" numerous styles in the academic sense. He was a dabbler. He picked up techniques here and there from friends and contemporaries like Jhoon Rhee, Mitoshi Uyehara, Gene LeBell, etc. But there is no record of him being a formal student to anyone after his 1.5 years of formal training under Ip Man. There are those who claim he continued to learn wing chun from a sifu in Seattle but there is no evidence of that and he was already teaching the Jun Fan Gung Fu in the basement of Taky Kimura's family business. It is known that he had a huge library of martial arts, boxing, fencing and philosophy books, and watched footage of fights and relied a lot on self discovery. I'm not putting that approach down. Today all of us scour RUclips vids to pick up techniques and ideas but is that "studying"? I also go put in mat time to learn to apply the techniques and get instruction from qualified instructors so that I have a deeper understanding. I consider that more as studying a martial art style because just knowing random techniques from a style doesn't make you an expert in that style. There are lots of kids who watch MMA matches and know how to do a double leg or RNC but it doesn't make them BJJ experts nor studying BJJ.
@@assoverteakettle I have "Studied," not only Wing Chun and box- ing---I have studied, "Ba-Gua," and, "Praying Mantis." I've been known to be quite innovative, both in training methods, and actual appli- cation of both Offensive and Defensive techniques. In Other words---When I say, "Studied," I mean, taking a very DEEP, introspective investigative look into a given fighting style...and then spending HOURS practicing its practical applications. Thanx for your comment.
@@assoverteakettle Again, it depends on your desired outcome. If it's spiritual, sure, study away at a traditional MA until your heart is content. If it's for practical self defense, well, there's a reason why a practitioner of BJJ for one year is going to whip the time out of 10+ year practitioner of Aikido, Shotokan, Kenpo, Kung fu etc.. Sadly, this isn't an opinion. This has been proven in the ring over and over again.
The thing is and its kind of ironic a ton of Traditional martial arts was brought about usually but not always by people who studied under multiple people especially martial arts used in Duels stuff like Hema and Kenjutsu (for example the German Sword fencing tradition's creator Liechtenhaur learned from multiple Swordsmen before developing his system which evolved as time went on and the art is passed from one generation of fencers to the next.), also a number of stances or moves are now either outdated or because of rules and context lost to the modern world are now not realistic for modern combat, for example the Old Boxing stance no longer works in Boxing because Grappling is no longer allowed and because Gloves are now used which now makes the head the primary target unlike back then where it was the body to avoid broken hands
you know what it's really about Prince; your own energy field. I think the one reason Aikido isn't effective is because of the ineffectiveness of people's training. real simple. A Tesla is electrically charged, but if the person behind the steering wheel can't drive, they more than likely gonna bang that Tesla out (crash).. feel me?.. Prince you should train first hand w/ Aikido people (you did already, right?). then you can know the true effectiveness of Aiki from feeling the force of other's Aiki & how to cultivate your own. similar to what you explaining here. I used to train in Aikido as a young buck. I would still train in it now with my other practices. "they need to stop thinking he's some kind of Jedi Master & actually pay attention to what he's doing".. I agree 💯 dog.. no doubt. ..
@@GoldenbellTraining I didn't Prince. I suggested you should train with Aikido people to understand the principle of people's Aiki better & the overall system. didn't you say in this you trained w/ aikido people before? that's my whole point w/ your whole series here. & the greater point that aint about actual style as much as the actual practitioner.. dig it?.. word..
Everything they were teaching in Aikido I had already learned in Judo both arts are just jujitsu. You can get super cosmic hippie with Aikido or just go learn Judo and learn something a bit more useful in half the time. However, there was a guy from Hawaii that stopped by the dojo he had a 2nd dan in Aikido and a 5th dan in Kenpo he showed the two mixed and where traditionally the art could be deadly however that is going back to when it was just jujitsu and removing the non-combative philosophy of Morihei Ueshiba. That is a notion I have never cared for these arts are learning how to fight if a master tells you to never use it in a fight leave the dojo. If you can't use it in a fight, you can't defend yourself and it is useless Morihei Ueshiba never actually said not to use it in a fight he said don't seek a fight try to seek peace and if peace can't be had make it. Aikido to me was a lot of effort for little payoff where Judo required less effort for the same results. If you are deciding on what one to take Judo is more beginner friendly and you can start using judo as soon as your first lesson. Aikido is more technical and requires several months before you can effectively use it even the warm-ups take time to learn. Aikido felt more like learning to dance as opposed to Judo where you feel like you are learning to fight. However, they are related, and you will see a lot of the same stuff carry over between the two. I say if you are interested take Judo first invest serious time in it then go take Aikido your Judo background will help you a lot the sensei will not have to waste your time and send you to a beginner's class to learn the basics of a grappling art and you will have a basic understanding of what you are about to learn.
What great advice Dustin, thanks for sharing. I have a background of Wing Chun, Boxing, Karate and Judo. While I am not that good at any of them (did ok in WC and boxing though) they all help in their own way although I didn't get much out of Karate but that was probably me rather than the art. I am older now late 50's and have just taken up Japanese Jujitsu (started with Judo again which I love but too many injuries). I really like the JJJ but find it takes a while to learn compared to other styles. Also I am not sure if some of the wrist lock techniques would work against a mean and fast fighter. But at my age I'm happy to be doing anything to do with martial arts 😀
I would be very surprised if your Juudou training included Atemi. Also defending against punches or strikes would also be a bit out of place. You aren't entirely wrong about the dancing part but foodwork is important for any martial art.
I think a lot of the internal stuff is a pre-science way of expressing aspects of and harnessing our neurobiology. Modern neurobiological research is recapitulating the pre-science path in an open and repeatable way. One day, all the ancient, esoteric thoughts and practices will be understood in the context of neurobiology and we’ll have recovered all that is lost. The bonus is the learnings will be easily available to the global population instead of just in the heads of a few practitioners.
@@GoldenbellTraining , oh, I always sound like that. Drives my wife nuts. 🙂 The idea popped into my head while rereading "The Inner Game of Tennis” from the ‘70s. His method works but the only systematic explanation available to him at the time was eastern spiritualism. Redefining his method into a NB context explains even more and that’s as far as that idea went. Highly recommend “Deep Survival: Who Lives and Who Dies and Why” as an intro to applied NB. Probably dated by now but it was my starting point. And I really like your videos! Nice to see fresh, balanced thinking presented in a non-judgmental way.
I feel like Aikido is more of a finisher, a surprise attack. If you're out on the street and able to throw an opponent to the ground with full force, you could permanently injure them or worse. Simply falling on concrete is rough, but imagine a lot of attacking force redirected against them
Prince, I was wondering if you are familiar with any of the African martial arts ? I once did a study swap with the son of a tribal chief. I taught him some techniques in return for him to teach me his tribal techniques. We were both Marines back during Nam and very close buddies. He called his martial art Cheebah, I am not sure of the spelling but the pronunciation is correct with this spelling. I was a freestylist with a conglomeration of techniques, other than what we were both taught in the Corps. In his tribe, to enter into manhood you were required to choose between fighting the best tribal warrior or killing a tiger or some big cat with your bare hands. The movements he taught me were all very close to the ground. One of the Jean Claude Van Dammes movies had an African Warrior amongst the contestants that used an African style very highly similiar to the one he was teaching me. I think it might have been Kumite or Kickboxer, one of the two. Where martial arts warriors from all over the world came to compete. I studied under him for two months. There was a lot of leg sweeping involved, very, very low to the ground. Occasional high leg and arm work was also used. A lot of punches, slaps, fingering and blocking which was unlike but similiar to eastern martial arts. Grappling was intense. I never went back to the barracks squadbay without being eternally sore from his teachings. I seemed to be unable to flex like he was able to in about sixty per cent of the things he was teaching me. We often sparred in his style or in what I taught him or his style against my cobbled together fusion of techniques. We both left out any move the Corps taught us. I also boxed back then, in the gym with some coaching.But I kept that separate and out of the picture. I was about eighteen yrs. Old at the time and stationed at Camp Lejeune. I know you were a swabbie so you know about Marines. Needless to say my duty station changed and I never saw him again. I know his family home was in D.C. and his last name was Johnson. Probably an Americanized version of his African last name. My first name is Americanized, I am Czech and came over as a young child. My Czech first name is Petr. I am nearly seventy now and I often wonder about him. His family were here temporarily as his father was the big Chief of his tribe. If you could, is there anyway that you can find out information on the many tribal fighting arts in Africa ? It would surprise you just how devastating their fighting styles can be and developed over thousands of years. So yes, they would know how to kill lions and tigers and bears, oh my. I have seen a large variety of weapons they use as well and Johnson told me that the martial art he practices works with weapons in hand as well as without. If you could only see it, I think your jaw would drop. In his tribe all male babies start being conditioned from birth and by the time they can talk they begin to learn the fighting style. Women in his tribe also learn but enough for self protection and they used to keep machete type knives with them. Men would hunt big cats for food, to feed the village. Women harvested fruit and vegetation. Well, anyway, I wish you much success and may God bless you and those you love, my friend and thanks for your splendid videos. I now have to go to see my new bullshido dodo nonsensei for tea. Take care and breathing it is, honorable master !!!
Aikido is only effective if you learn other martial arts with it! Its not effective in a street fight by itself or in any combat or mma fight situation! If you learn Kyokushin Karate and Brazilian Jujitsu and Muay Thai and Jeet Kune Do with it it'll be effective and after you've learned all 5 together go and test them all in street fights and in MMA fights do your own tests and you'll get your answer I always test out what you've learned before you say they are effective and that's for anyone with anything No matter what it is!
@@chenwang643 sure i do a call iremi nage. Which the arm go toward your face. I used it in guard. Also i used anothef move call kotigashi .it turns the wrist toward the floor. Just little things. If i get a hold of the hands i can do a lock.
even though you yourself have this experience, people just wont accept it, zero respect just plain ignorance and hate, and FEAR because instinctively they feel the power of aikido.
See KDS Shotokai. Especially the films of the late sensei Mitsusuke Harada and considered his best student Tony Lima. KDS is a line of shotokai karate that has been developed in isolation from Japanese groups. The inspiration for the Sensei Harada were, among others, experiences resulting from contacts with aikido and the master Ueschib, which he wrote about in his books.
I saw your Deadpool shirt. I created him. That aside...I hold a Dan in Aikido. I also bounced. Aikido is effective after baptism by fire. My first fight? I was terrified of killing the other guy. I threw him down a flight of steps. Then...I pinned him. So if you don't use it regularly...a martial art is " useless" seriously. Regards sincerely...Deadpool's Dad.
Thank you I was so lost but I remembered your channel. I am still interested in the samurai arts. But I mean maybe it’s more for bias reasons that will be resolved in internal arts? Things like concentrated breathing from samurai based animes like demon slayer. Or just swords and weapons training but I’m mainly looking for the martial art I can dedicate my life to for spiritual and prana cultivation. So thank you because I think your channel helps people decide for themselves that the neija or wudang arts more specially are probably the best bet if you plan on dedicating your spiritual warrior quest to this?
Dude I can only hope to get so lucky and find such good teachers. I will have to wait for a car to be able to go to a wing Chung school here. Can't believe it took so long for me to resolve my issues. It is good you can carry an empty cup. I threw mine on the floor before I came to question others. If I ever get good enough I will seek you out and touch hands. I too feel that this is the only way to know. It is the same with touching eyes in meditation. I have yet to meet anyone that can touch eyes. I am hopeful my location will change that. Also if you know of any good I liq quan teachers in Los angeles let me know. Plan on picking up 4 or 5 myself. Getting old. But still worth it... for me. Heck you done a video on how to find a good teacher in an area yet? Would help many tons. Personally going to do 3 to six month blocks test them all and settle on one.
@@chenwang643 Most BJJ takedown moves are now countered by flying knees. BJJ can't beat Judo. Just look at how Ronda Rousy beat all the BJJ opponents. Instead, Ronda Rousey lost to Holly Holmes, a traditional kickboxer with very good footwork and striking accuracy. Don't lower you body and your head, cause your head will be kicked EASILY. It is easy to read that takedown attempt. Search RUclips for all the flying knee KOs on UFC and other MMA fights. I will never "walking around" allowing your to take me down or even close the distance. I move constantly laterally and circle around you looking for openings. Remember to protect your eyes and groins. I target your eyes and your groins.
There are no offensive techniques in Aikidou. They are all reactionary. Of course some of them ask you to go into the attack and interrupt it. But learning some decent offense is important to become a good training partner.
As far does your fighting discipline work or doesn't is strictly up to you.its based on YOUR RATIO of Fear to Courage. Only YOU can determine if you will succeed against another.
There are similar sticky hands techniques you can do with a partner. You do them in seiza. On your knees. You can work your center by doing tenkan with the hand movements.. You should look at the NY aikikai.. Because we absolutely can do solo work on our centers etc etc
Because Chinese and Japanese ideals about harmony is similar, which is why their martial arts at its highest state, would look the same. Getting along with people is a skill that takes a lifetime to learn.
Aikido/ aikijitsu was originally designed for disarming swordsmen as a last resort when you got your own sword disarmed. It's not that it's useless but it is used out of place and is in itself a incomplete art as are most martial arts by themselves. Like if all you know how to do is boxing then you get into a street fight with a wrestler who gets you to the ground where your boxing becomes ineffective. It's not that boxing is useless.
Other arts also came from Daito Ryu that are still effective. This saying that "well, this was intended for disarming swordsmen," is an excuse. If it doesn't work when an opponent is not holding a sword, what do you think will happen if someone is?
@@GoldenbellTraining No, no. An art that is designed specifically for weapon disarms does not make you an effective well-rounded fighter. While I don't necessarily agree with the other poster, to say that a system's technique curriculum drawing exclusively from disarms is not an explanation for why it does not make you an effective fighter, disarms aside, is just fallacious. Personally, I disagree with the other person; my conclusion is that Aikido is conceptual system focused on evasion and escape, primarily, with a secondary emphasis on weapon retention and weapon disarms, hence the focus on wrist and arm control over body control like with western Wrestling. The primary issue with Aikido is that people don't understand how to be a warrior before becoming a gardner, this is what Morihei Ueshiba did, he soldiered overseas for Imperial Japan. Furthermore, they don't have a proper understanding of the intended purpose of Aikido. Following the loss of WWII, the Yang elements in training were (unfortunately) no longer emphasized in Aikido; pre/post WWII Aikido look very different... ...Aikido became the second half (Yin) to a well-rounded fighter's arsenal, the way to evade and escape conflict (descalation, situational awareness, distance management, emphasis on footwork, etc.) as opposed to engaging in conflict, Yang. Most effective Aikidoka were well-established in other arts when they began studying the techniques of Morihei Ueshiba. Not so now.
So WHY do YOU say.. “..the problem with Aikido in your title?? All martial arts are effective or not depending on who is teaching it and how seriously the student is committed to the techniques he’s learning.
Prince, you are my favorite Jedi. Been following your post for years. I knew as a Jedi you would practice martial arts. I’m also an Jedi and I practice Seido Karate and judo. The problem with aikido is that Steven Seagal display of aikido distorted what aikido is truly. Aikido was meant to be a way a pacific to defend himself without killing , maiming or really hurting the attacker. Aikido was never meant to be an invincible martial art. Aikido was meant to be an alternative to killing and a pathway to higher spiritual understanding of life and god. Rokas another RUclipsr doesn’t understand this. Aikido weapons forms and footwork are amazing. I’ve used aikido strategy when sparring Kyokushin fighters. Wing chun have very good defensive techniques , it’s the offensive striking that need improving. Wing chun isn’t invincible but no martial art is.
Thailand is open! Americans are leading the way with over 8000 tourists this month! Just need a Certificate of Entry, Insurance for the Vid, and I think 1- night stay in an SHA+ hotel. Hoping that last requirement will drop soon, but I don't see the insurance thing going away.
@@GoldenbellTraining Yeah, that's what I meant. Travel without restrictions, but I don't see the insurance requirement going away either. Too much money involved.
Aikido is totally a combo of judo and jiu jitsu, but it's a lot more delicate that either. It consists of moving qi around yourself to move your enemy. Aikido is a defence art, so a lot of offence martial artists won't understand it. When you genuinely fight someone as opposed to practicing, it gets a lot realer.
I have studied many martial arts including Aikido. I feel we need to talk less about ki/chi/etc and be more scientific. I focused on explaining ki/chi in terms of Potential and Kinetic Energy. This makes more sense.
It has one element of Kung Fu. The problem is Hollywood has made out that you automatically break arms. Judo has plenty of locks and leverage holds. Any marital art that trains in one aspect, will fail especially with multiple attackers. People just do not rush forward with their hands out. With multiple attacks, one is trying to grapple keeping your hands tied, the other is trying to beat your brains out throwing multiple punches, another goes low for your legs. Even if your attackers have no formal training, the pack mentality becomes natural especially if you are a threat their fear kicks in, and they have adrenaline. If they are skilled it is worse. The street has no rules.
@@GoldenbellTraining why do you think? Aikido is as effective as Tai Chi, probably more actually. Probably less than one person per thousand doing Tai Chi could use it effectively in combat. And that’s not dissing Tai Chi, it’s just that most people practising it have no desire to use it for combat. Most people who do Aikido don’t do it so they can fight people. Making videos that disrespect other styles than those you like is immature to say the least.
@@GoldenbellTraining At least I’m not the arsehole trying to get likes by making negative videos like this shit. You know that you’ll automatically get views if you post videos of Steven Seagal or Bruce Lee. I won’t be watching any more of your garbage. It’s pathetic really.
It all depends on what you want from a martial art. If what you want is to learn an ancient mystical dance that brings you enjoyment and peace then go for it. Any of the MAs can give you that. If you want a martial art that truly does a service to the name MARTIAL art then you can throw out anything that doesn't have full resistance training. You can throw out anything that wouldn't win in an mma ring. That includes almost all traditional MA. I all the traditional MA should be part of a martial artist's background. One should always honor history and it teaches respect and discipline. However, if you want to learn to defend yourself you need to move beyond those things while maintaining their spirit. You need to learn a real COMBAT art; preferably a few. On a side note, if you want to get great REAL balance just train basic old wrestling. Nothing better to teach balance, leverage, and most importantly...take down defense. IMO.
@@GoldenbellTraining Nah, I've just got SOME things figured out. Simple things really: 2+2=4, there's no order from chaos, and if you want to learn to fight you have to actually fight. It's like I said, though. I fully believe in the importance of traditional MA. I also believe in the importance of truth as well. If teaching a form of self defense that will not live up to the defense part then everyone is losing. IF what you're teaching is a form of exercise and inner well being with no promises of self defense then that's honest and more power to you.
Any martial art that does not teach real footwork and practice real footwork, I would say it is impractical. At least you have to learn some footwork by sparring at full speed. I simply will never let you grab my arms or hands. AND I will never try to control my opponents by grabbing their arms of hands. Most of the Aikido techniques will be ineffective against me. It has been proven that as strong as Ronda Rousey in Judo, if you footwork sucks, you can never touch Holly Holmes cause her footwork is simply much better as she practices kickboxing.
I'm sure that aikido could be very deadly. If practice by someone who's extremely conditioned and skilled in it. It's really not possible that there's any martial art that's just totally ineffective across the board. Simply maybe one that in the hands of most won't be as effective as in the hands of a master
Strange, Aikidou has both solo Kata and partner excercises that are similar to what you've shown although they are often performed seated. There's also breathing and stretching excercises. For the Kata there's also Jo and Bokutou variants.
If you know any martial arts, well..... If you're that focused, any.. ANY internal martial art, can be applied external, and vice versa. Right? Ueshiba lost his first family in is entirely.. Wife kids, all died. After this time, he traveled all around China.. Yes, China, and he learned every thing he could. The basics are all founded in kung fu chin-na.... Joint locking. He added the footwork and using the opponents own momentum against them. Aikido is what you use when the opponent has not gotten a good hold on you yet. Judo is what you use, if they HAVE. Aikido is absolutely internal, so....
First: posting Seagal and Aikido in one sentence/thumbnail/video disqualifies discussion by default. Second: Aikido was created for very specific set of circumstances - bascially, it is ENABLER for other weapons (being devices or martial arts styles) to be deployed. Three - nature of aikido - small joint locks - prevents effectively full contact sparring, which is far more important than any particular style. Also, and here's shout to all martial arts practicioners - no amount of technique will compensate for lack of physical conditioning/GPP and finally, psychological fortitude in "real situation". General physical and psychological aptitude beats technique; "fighting is not about knowing how, but choosing to".
What you say at minute 8:00 is mostly true, but the sad fact is: NO AIKIDO is NOT supposed to be an internal martial art. That is what people who do not know what they are writing about, are writing into wikipedia pages. Aikido always was an external art. Which is not a problem in itself. The longer you do an art: the more they all become the same. If you have time, and intent, and are open minded. Aikido is first of all: a weapon system. Not much internal about it. Many Aikidoka who are a bit on the esoteric side believe that Chi/Ki is something they can produce with imagination in theirs mind. So they do not even learn proper techniques. To utilize Ki/Chi and apply Aiki, you foremost of all: have to work on your body. And know how and why. Many Aidoka - and that is probably true for most people on the planet - do not know anything about internal arts, and what it means. E.g. an excellent way to develop internal power is solo weapon practice, with proper breath and actually connecting your mind with your center. But that is to complicated for a web page ... perhaps we once meet. Are you still in Thailand?
@@GoldenbellTraining you start out saying your a believer in learning from your own experience. Not from some random guy on you tube. Yet you go to only one Aikido dojo then do videos on it. I've never meet Roy Goldberg but aware of him.The dojo that sponsored his visit isn't the one I'm affiliated with but I know quite a few of their people, same association. IKEDA is out of Boulder Colorado and has came to Nashville for over 25 years and always taught on internalizing your technique. He as well as other ASU master teachers have. Didn't catch that you were not in Nashville now. Thought that since, and I agree that ,you have to feel whats happening you might like to check out someone that has it if you were in Nashville. Since covid I'm not aware of his schedule but he use to do international seminars. Not recommending him as a teacher for you just hands on experience.
So what you're saying is that I need to go see this guy teaching skills in an art I'm not interested in learning even though I have a highly skilled teacher already? I didn't make these videos because I visited one Aikido dojo. I made the videos because of what that instructor said- because other Aikido people have said the same thing to me. The person who spoke with me has actually commented on this video, but they don't realize it. They also reconfirmed everything from that conversation 5 years ago. 🙂 Thanks for sharing, but I I know what my Sifu has. I don't need to look around at what other people are doing unless I'm going to make a good video...and for the time being, I'm only interested in visiting Internal Kungfu people who I know have the goods.
I fought a guy who claimed to know Aikido, I boxed him and didn't let him grab me, when he went for the grab I would leg sweep, I'm not a fight it was a street fight I had to defend myself, what do you feel about jeet kwon do? By the way I like your videos.
I would probably do the same, but just don't get close to him where he can slam you using a judo throw called irimi nage. Once he slams you on the ground, it is game over for you.
@@GoldenbellTraining lol you’re such a smart@ss. I love it, I am too. I’m 45 y/o and started in martial arts with Shaolin Kenpo when I was 6. I dabbled in Aikido for a bit and maybe I had a good teacher? Everything I read on Aikido also seemed to focus on building internal energy, controlling and redirecting it. The physical techniques are physical manifestations of the internal energy flowing. Am I off the point on this? Did you mean Aikido is lacking something other than this? Or possibly my experience is different than what you’ve come across?
From what I’ve seen and experienced from cross-training with Iwama practitioners from Japan and the US, the style emphasizes technical correctness of technique among other merits, but developing aiki as an internal skill (vs. as an external tactic) isn’t one of them.
Its actualy different than judo more jujitsu. Judo and juitsu has grappling and wrestling moves. There not exactly the same..i know for a fact that hapkido and aikido are very similllar. Hapkido also has punches,blocks kicks.throws.grappling.joint locks :)
I am not sure what you mean by internal? if you put internal in front of something it does not make it more effective. I"m sure you know this so what do you mean when you say internally. Are you saying a self-fulfilling martial art that is no use for fighting? is that what internal means?
Prince. Haven’t heard from you with regards to my comment I made two months ago. I’m a student of Roy Goldberg. Not sure who you talked to in Nashville about him but I am the guy who organizes his seminars in Nashville. I just wanted your viewers to know that you and I have never had a conversation about Roy Goldberg so I don’t feel this video accurately reflects your statements. Whoever you talked to misrepresented himself. Be glad to have a discussion with you if you’d like.
@@GoldenbellTraining Then what was the point of your previous , passive aggressive snide ass little comment then ? What was the point of this equally punk-@zz reply?
At one point in your video you show Dan Harden sitting with Ron Goldberg. You want the real deal. Look up Dan Harden, he was one of Ron's students. Now, well lest say he is a force to be reckoned with. Look him up.
This system is is not 100% effective . Because it is taught with friendly submission . When they train they familiarize their brains with repetition . In a real fight , not much happens repetitiously If an artist can’t take pain , he is not a fighter !
@@jassimarsingh6505 no, because one can be succesful somehow, and still not be able to relate the effectiveness to the aiki principles. Like Rokas and many others, who confuse what they know from other sources, as the potential reason of a functional aikido. Is much more difficult to understand aikido, and it is easy to accept some level of effectivenes as the final answer.
Dear Master. OmniPrescence is Actual your Chinese Sifu who your praising in the Problem with Aikido video, is wrong on many levels. He is wrong because he is too convinced of his own skill and it's safe to conclude HE HAS NEVER HAD HIS ASS KICKED BY ANYONE IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE. ( Social and Martial)
There is shitty karate , Kung fu, aikido etc... Yoshinkan style is very different from hombu style ( Aikikai) Yoseikan and shodokan ( tomiki) have plenty of traiining with resisting partners . Avoid making judgements and generalization based on very partial.data.
Yeah, agreed. All martial arts, especially traditional, were developed and honed to be sharp. Aikido was developed from the Samurai art which was against armed men. It just that experts make it look easy and many only see the art through demonstrations. So, they get don't really know what they are talking about. Ultimately, it is the person who practices that makes it "good" or "bad". Like Steven said, "In a fight, you fight your style and disrupt the other person's style". That's why you have to keep practicing whatever style you are in and make it your own.
I did laugh at this because I have no prior knowledge who that old timer is but that has to be complete BS how do people buy into that it's clearly obvious? I must be going crazy
I'm an Aikidoka and never heard of Roy Goldberg. There area lot of these type of people that do this type of stuff and I have met many in the Kungfu community. It's not an exclusive problem with Aikido. As for the internal side a lot of that is built through weapons training and strong grabs (not the light fluffy stuff).
Roy Goldberg teaches Roppokai Daito-Ryu Aiki-jujutsu, one of the branches of Daito-Ryu that the teacher of Morihei Ueshiba, Sokaku Takeda taught him. As quoted by Ueshiba in reference to Takeda: "He opened my eyes to Budo"
making every technique simple & working means, to activate the technique !! in martial arts terms, it would sounds like, to activate technique is to Aiki the technique !!! and for those (non-scholars), to Aiki means to Activate ! just another term, and of the so many simple terms that was took from the mystic school of thought called Aikido !!! that's why, the massive error in this aspect of research was to throw ppl back with what such schools had to discover or to inherit !! each person would Aiki such technique so differently, and eachother will reach to a humane_level of no-way back or/and a humane level of no furthermore !!! so, arrogance and persistence had to be controlled from becoming surplus or surpass !!? GOD knows ALL
People forget the founder of Aikido learn Daito Ryu. Very serious art of joint locks and throws. Some of your Aikido instructors kept up with this part of the martial arts. Very effective. I have studied different martial arts. My favorite close qt combat. It had some Aikido joint locks in it. It's effective when used. I give credit to those who continue on teaching the martial art way of Aikido.
Aikido is effective , but you must train hard first , as studied under a Highly Graded Sensie Miller in Dundee , there was effective techniques , but my body still aches , as we trained in a traditional Aikido , and some may have called it Aikjujitsu Hard to take strikes this was not easy , and atemi was used to Great effect , we used punches and Kicks , and they are needed , these were Fantastic Training , yes You Need Hard and Soft , and it is not a quick Path it Takes Time and Love , Thinking about all Martial Artists All Styles are Effective , Hard Graft and Practice is The Ki , Cheers From GRAHAM .
@@grahamreid7836 bruh aikido is not effective
I will not agree with you ,do it
In a real fight do u have the time , do it ,i would love to see lt , anj
Like they said from Steven Sagan market for death
This was very interesting. I don't know if you'll ever see a comment on a two year old video, but I had to say that you opened my eyes to the meaning of a famous Bruce Lee quote that I personally always misunderstood and hated because of what I thought it meant. You see as a Catholic, I've always been taught that emotions are not reliable guides to truth. So when Bruce Lee said "Don't think feel" my mind reflexively recoiled. I reacted exactly like I did to Obi Wan Kenobi saying "Trust your Feelings, Luke". It didn't occur to me that Bruce was talking about senses not emotions. Thank you for helping me.
I took a Wing Chung and had a chance to touch hand with Kenneth Chung. What impress me the most how he was able to draw me down without pulling me down. I thought Wing Chun was about trapping and striking. This change my views about wing chun and interal martial.
Here's some context for anyone interested. Internal has many different meanings over time. For example external can mean strikes of any kind (think hammer). Soft can mean pressure points, joint locks, clinching, throws, evasion, off balancing, uprooting. EVERY martial art possesses these skills some more others due to civilized things such as rule sets for sports and straight up not wanting to or needing to seriously hurt someone. Aikido could be called Japanese/Brazilian jujitsu with the intent of de-escalating, completely avoiding. So basically your martial arts journey is never complete. Yin=soft yang=hard. We constantly fluctuate between both in a hard to achieve and even harder to maintain balance.
I don't know anything at all about martial arts and I would never claim to, but I am a big dude and I know how to throw an effective kick and a punch ect. At a party some dude was showing what he called aikido locks and stuff And it was working. I had few drinks so I volunteered and I dwarfed this little guy. He did get me a few times then I kinda understood what he was doing and it stopped working. He wasn't strong enough to make it work on me but im no giant really at 6,3 218lbs. It seems to be ALL about grabbing you and making you feel an instinctive "out" and it's almost a reflex that you start to go in that direction and they knock you off balance with almost no effort. It was cool but also seemed highly situational. I'm loving your channel, as I've gotten older this stuff interests me ALOT. I'm not a fighter AT ALL, I'm actually a guitar player musician but it's unbelievably fascinating and I can't get enough of it
I actually created this channel for older guys who might be interested in trying out martial arts.
Thanks for watching, and I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. I took a 2 1/2 month break, but I've got some cool stuff planned for the remainder of the year!
You aren't entirely wrong but the way most people "beat" these locks is by tensing up. Which would allow him to either change position so he can easily make you fall or just walk away because there's no incoming force.
" Go out and touch him" yeah, people can talk all they want, sometimes you need to test yourself with their help...
It works on cooperative attackers 👍🏽
I have a very similar story, I worked at a boys and girls club for over 10 years and ran the boxing program we also rented out the space had to get two in the early a.m.‘s and judo once a week for a few months a year. Over the 10 years many strikers and martial artist would love to come in and test their skills with the boxers. but I will never forget This one character he wasn’t too old maybe in his mid-30s we called him Wilson but I don’t think that was his name anyways he came one day during judo through every black bat around like it was nothing inspired with some of my boxers nobody can hit him clean. after this I had to spar with him, Long story short Thursday never seen anything like it it was almost like he was rolling with my shots in the weirdest way why couldn’t get anything on him solid. then asked asked if we wanted to learn tai chi and through us around for another hour and a half. By this time it’s almost midnight and I should’ve shut the club down at 10 PM by myself two other boxing coaches a class of judo players and boxers watching this man with our mouth open! he came back a few times over the next four months then move to Hong Kong. One thing I have to add not only was he throwing us around in an old boxing ring and nobody was getting hurt he was tossing us but at the same time being gentle it was crazy!
The past tense of throw is threw, not through. He threw everyone around.
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I wish I could start training again. Your videos make me realize what I'm missing.
hey, you got a really cool, humble, grounded foundation....so worth following you.....i like the emphasis on the internal especially when martial arts is really to fight with your OWN demons, baggage so you dont attrack
the drama externally.................
Sam Chin has explained how I Liq Chuan is an interpretation of the same internal skills that also power authentic aikido.
I sent this to some of the senior students, but I don't think my teacher ever said this.
Aikido doesn't work the same as I Liq Chuan. From what I've read from Roy Goldberg's blog, Aikido works more like Taijiquan.
All internal arts do not work the same or produce the same qualities.
@@GoldenbellTraining - I was at the workshop when Sifu Chin said this. He did a series of quick demos (including ILQ, aikido, and taiji) showing how internal skill may look different based on the preferred techniques and tactics of a given internal art, but it’s powered by the same thing: whole-body use of yin and yang - the internal skill just wears different “masks” (since there are a variety of internal martial arts). If you look at aikido techniques with for example use of body planes, condense and expand, and absorb and project, in mind, his statement makes sense.
@@varamaur9567 these seminars? ruclips.net/video/Zq008eKG_sI/видео.html
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I'm pretty sure I met Roy Goldberg who visited my Aikido dojo over a decade ago. His techniques are pretty real although the theatrics of the students comes from not knowing how his "ever present" techniques will go. He didn't care for me that much as he felt I deviated from what he was demonstrating and using more traditional moves taught in Aikido. That was MY error in not understanding internal Aikido at that time. But he does have some real Jedi stuff going.
Awesome 👍
Hope Roy kicks the crap out of his cancer so that he can start back teaching/training again
Even if training with a Master that has students who mastered his teachings, some students will choose the BS way or the Judo way instead of recognizing they don't have it: Stability, the mind, the energy, the Ki.
It took me 4 years (3 classes a week + personal practice + monthly training camps) to start to get it. You don't learn a thing if your partners constantly do harmony training. Harmony training is good, but nothing beats a real attack and a bully of a partner. I was surrounded with guys who got it, and yes it hurt some times, and was mind blowing at others.
In the club I practiced, there were no BS routes. There was a constant flow of new people who would quit after 2 years. They either got hurt, or left with techniques only.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Great content.
I just started to watch it.
awesome channel.
Roy Goldberg was one of the jujutsu masters featured in the 200 years of jiu-jitsu video series on RUclips. This event took place back in the 1990’s. His technique there is less esoteric and more practical.
No he says Shaolin Kung FU, neigong & chigong, Shaolin Golden Bell Shield is an internal art!!! GO TO SCHOOL, son!!!
At 5:56 the man sitting with Roy Goldberg is Dan Harden. He learned from the same teacher as Roy as well as Roy himself but also reverse engineered the "Aiki" (not Aikido) for wrestling & MMA because these were the players available to him when he returned home. He teaches "Aiki" without Daito-Ryu forms/techniques so that any martial artist can "have it."
To paraphrase the practitioners & teachers who teach "Aiki" in his way (and other teachers who would prefer to remain nameless), "Aiki" isn't a technique but a "body attribute." In his view & I agree, Aikido and Daito-ryu technique's "inner door" training is not using these techniques for fighting but for conditioning the body "towards" a quality / composition that he and Roy call "Aiki."
A lot of Aikido Shihans and high ranking skilled teachers, for example William Gleason after some understandable skepticism checked him out & now learn from him.
I talked about Dan Harden in the 2nd video in this series.
Bill Gleason Sensei is another high ranked Aikido teacher who focuses on and teaches the internal part that makes aikido techniques work. He says the techniques don’t work-they are tools for developing aiki. However it does take specific instruction and patient work...it doesn’t come automatically from going through the motions...like no matter how long you boil sand you don’t get cooked rice. You are absolutely right that aikido is supposed to be an internal martial art.
Thanks again for sharing your hard work and excellent warning ⚠️
That sounds accurate in my humble opinion. You explained that well.
Excluding all the internal talk.... from simple observation all I see is cooperative assisting demonstrators either grabbing the instructor by the wrist or getting grabbed, wrist locked and the assistant voluntarily throwing or tossing themselves once they reach their pain threshold. These are techniques not suitable for practical use unless a drunk guy is trying to get physical with you.
The other day I watched a video titled 'Bruce Lee's Secret Aikido Techniques' that analyzed movie scenes where Bruce Lee demonstrated the use of Aikido techniques. I don't know about the "top level" practitioners, but Aikido certainly contains techniques that are sophisticated enough for Bruce Lee to incorporate into his own martial arts repertoire.
Really like your take on aikido and aiki!
Thanks for watching 👍
@@GoldenbellTraining Aikido is thought to some military forces and police forces and has been used by bouncers for years and years like the black guy on Aikidoflow on RUclips he has used it for many years as a bouncer and any smart person knows it's all about the person using the art and there is bs teachers in Aikido,Jeet Kune Do,Kung Fu,Ninjutsu and other arts.Dan Inosanto said after Bruce died there were schools popping up where people claimed to have been thought by Bruce when Stephen K.Hayes returned from Japan taking Ninjutsu from Grandmaster Hatsumi in the 80's he said Ninjutsu schools were popping up even though he was the first American ninja unlike Frank Dux who Bloodsport was made about.
Pretty much every one of those Aikido throws appear to be fake.
It looks like the recipient is simply dancing, and rolling to the
Mat----intentionally!
I watched a vid years ago that talked about this exact situation in regards to Steven Seagal demonstrations. Long story short, if the students didn't help out a little, they would be seriously injured due to the amount of stress on the body if the moves were actually performed against a resisting opponent.
@@jp-ty1vd and you believed that? Sorry
@@mc.9839 yes, prove me wrong.
@@mc.9839 what degree belt are you and in what discipline?
@@jp-ty1vd I have a 100th degree BB in common sense. However, if you just HAVE to know:
All state wrestler in HS. BB in Kenpo Karate. Brown in Judo in college. BJJ with Royce Gracie and his brothers while in the Army and at that time belonged to an mma gym for several years.
Look, if techniques aren't trained against full resistance then they suck. You aren't going to learn to fight unless you fight full contact. You try Aikido on the street against a fighter and you're just going to end up bleeding on the ground. Maybe you pull it off against some untrained teen or a drunk. Maybe.
Daitō-Ryū Aikijūjutsū is very effective in combat. It was used in warfare during the days of the Samurai. This was battlefield tested during ugly warfare. Aikidō is merely a pacifist art and it was harder when it started. But people have ruined it with soft demonstrations rather than how it was originally.
seeing rokas explore other martial arts and now revisit aikido to try to find its practical applications it would be really cool if you guys did a collab. I bet the both of you could learn something from each other
You know, most things Rokas "discovers" are taught within first three months of introduction course in my dojo - before you are even allowed to join regular class...
@@piotrd.4850 U teach aikido?
Only seen two of your videos now. But both are great 👍
Aikido is not effective in the modern style of fighting like MMA, but there are techniques that are very effective and could inflict serious damage or even death. I've practiced this martial arts for 6 years before I started Muay Thai. A lot of fighters hated this Martial arts because of Steven Seagal, I found some techniques very effective against BJJ when I use to roll. You cannot under estimate this martial arts because of those silly magical techniques that you see on video. I've used this on a thief in a street fight, slammed him on the floor and broke his wrists...
aikido without magic is useless and doesn t work
The bottom line issue with most, "Traditional" martial arts, is that,
quite simply---they are limited---some more than others when it
comes right down to Real Life self-defense and combat.
This is PRECISELY why Lee studied numerous Styles before
Creating the ultimate philosophy.
That's is true
It depends on what you consider "studying" numerous martial arts. From an academics standpoint what is considered "studying"? Investing years in honing the basics and only then starting to understand the deeper universal principles? Immersing yourself for years and decades learning a system inside and our? 10000 hour principle of mastering a skill?
I don't believe Lee formally "studied" numerous styles in the academic sense. He was a dabbler. He picked up techniques here and there from friends and contemporaries like Jhoon Rhee, Mitoshi Uyehara, Gene LeBell, etc. But there is no record of him being a formal student to anyone after his 1.5 years of formal training under Ip Man. There are those who claim he continued to learn wing chun from a sifu in Seattle but there is no evidence of that and he was already teaching the Jun Fan Gung Fu in the basement of Taky Kimura's family business.
It is known that he had a huge library of martial arts, boxing, fencing and philosophy books, and watched footage of fights and relied a lot on self discovery.
I'm not putting that approach down. Today all of us scour RUclips vids to pick up techniques and ideas but is that "studying"?
I also go put in mat time to learn to apply the techniques and get instruction from qualified instructors so that I have a deeper understanding. I consider that more as studying a martial art style because just knowing random techniques from a style doesn't make you an expert in that style. There are lots of kids who watch MMA matches and know how to do a double leg or RNC but it doesn't make them BJJ experts nor studying BJJ.
@@assoverteakettle I have "Studied," not only Wing Chun and box-
ing---I have studied, "Ba-Gua," and, "Praying Mantis." I've been known
to be quite innovative, both in training methods, and actual appli-
cation of both Offensive and Defensive techniques.
In Other words---When I say, "Studied," I mean, taking a very DEEP,
introspective investigative look into a given fighting style...and
then spending HOURS practicing its practical applications.
Thanx for your comment.
@@assoverteakettle Again, it depends on your desired outcome. If it's spiritual, sure, study away at a traditional MA until your heart is content. If it's for practical self defense, well, there's a reason why a practitioner of BJJ for one year is going to whip the time out of 10+ year practitioner of Aikido, Shotokan, Kenpo, Kung fu etc..
Sadly, this isn't an opinion. This has been proven in the ring over and over again.
The thing is and its kind of ironic a ton of Traditional martial arts was brought about usually but not always by people who studied under multiple people especially martial arts used in Duels stuff like Hema and Kenjutsu (for example the German Sword fencing tradition's creator Liechtenhaur learned from multiple Swordsmen before developing his system which evolved as time went on and the art is passed from one generation of fencers to the next.), also a number of stances or moves are now either outdated or because of rules and context lost to the modern world are now not realistic for modern combat, for example the Old Boxing stance no longer works in Boxing because Grappling is no longer allowed and because Gloves are now used which now makes the head the primary target unlike back then where it was the body to avoid broken hands
you know what it's really about Prince; your own energy field. I think the one reason Aikido isn't effective is because of the ineffectiveness of people's training. real simple. A Tesla is electrically charged, but if the person behind the steering wheel can't drive, they more than likely gonna bang that Tesla out (crash).. feel me?.. Prince you should train first hand w/ Aikido people (you did already, right?). then you can know the true effectiveness of Aiki from feeling the force of other's Aiki & how to cultivate your own. similar to what you explaining here. I used to train in Aikido as a young buck. I would still train in it now with my other practices. "they need to stop thinking he's some kind of Jedi Master & actually pay attention to what he's doing".. I agree 💯 dog.. no doubt. ..
So agree with that!
@@jacksonswagga yes sir 👊🏽
I'm not understanding why you are suggesting that I train Aikido.
@@GoldenbellTraining I didn't Prince. I suggested you should train with Aikido people to understand the principle of people's Aiki better & the overall system. didn't you say in this you trained w/ aikido people before? that's my whole point w/ your whole series here. & the greater point that aint about actual style as much as the actual practitioner.. dig it?.. word..
What would I get from training with Aikido people? I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.
Everything they were teaching in Aikido I had already learned in Judo both arts are just jujitsu. You can get super cosmic hippie with Aikido or just go learn Judo and learn something a bit more useful in half the time. However, there was a guy from Hawaii that stopped by the dojo he had a 2nd dan in Aikido and a 5th dan in Kenpo he showed the two mixed and where traditionally the art could be deadly however that is going back to when it was just jujitsu and removing the non-combative philosophy of Morihei Ueshiba. That is a notion I have never cared for these arts are learning how to fight if a master tells you to never use it in a fight leave the dojo. If you can't use it in a fight, you can't defend yourself and it is useless Morihei Ueshiba never actually said not to use it in a fight he said don't seek a fight try to seek peace and if peace can't be had make it. Aikido to me was a lot of effort for little payoff where Judo required less effort for the same results. If you are deciding on what one to take Judo is more beginner friendly and you can start using judo as soon as your first lesson. Aikido is more technical and requires several months before you can effectively use it even the warm-ups take time to learn. Aikido felt more like learning to dance as opposed to Judo where you feel like you are learning to fight. However, they are related, and you will see a lot of the same stuff carry over between the two. I say if you are interested take Judo first invest serious time in it then go take Aikido your Judo background will help you a lot the sensei will not have to waste your time and send you to a beginner's class to learn the basics of a grappling art and you will have a basic understanding of what you are about to learn.
What great advice Dustin, thanks for sharing. I have a background of Wing Chun, Boxing, Karate and Judo. While I am not that good at any of them (did ok in WC and boxing though) they all help in their own way although I didn't get much out of Karate but that was probably me rather than the art. I am older now late 50's and have just taken up Japanese Jujitsu (started with Judo again which I love but too many injuries). I really like the JJJ but find it takes a while to learn compared to other styles. Also I am not sure if some of the wrist lock techniques would work against a mean and fast fighter. But at my age I'm happy to be doing anything to do with martial arts 😀
I would be very surprised if your Juudou training included Atemi. Also defending against punches or strikes would also be a bit out of place.
You aren't entirely wrong about the dancing part but foodwork is important for any martial art.
I think a lot of the internal stuff is a pre-science way of expressing aspects of and harnessing our neurobiology. Modern neurobiological research is recapitulating the pre-science path in an open and repeatable way. One day, all the ancient, esoteric thoughts and practices will be understood in the context of neurobiology and we’ll have recovered all that is lost. The bonus is the learnings will be easily available to the global population instead of just in the heads of a few practitioners.
It sounds like you have it all figured out 🤔
@@GoldenbellTraining , oh, I always sound like that. Drives my wife nuts. 🙂 The idea popped into my head while rereading "The Inner Game of Tennis” from the ‘70s. His method works but the only systematic explanation available to him at the time was eastern spiritualism. Redefining his method into a NB context explains even more and that’s as far as that idea went. Highly recommend “Deep Survival: Who Lives and Who Dies and Why” as an intro to applied NB. Probably dated by now but it was my starting point. And I really like your videos! Nice to see fresh, balanced thinking presented in a non-judgmental way.
I feel like Aikido is more of a finisher, a surprise attack. If you're out on the street and able to throw an opponent to the ground with full force, you could permanently injure them or worse. Simply falling on concrete is rough, but imagine a lot of attacking force redirected against them
The problem with Aikido is the students.
Thanks for watching my tutorial on the Aikido problem.
Please come to my Aikido dojo...I live in Hiroshima Japan...
Prince, I was wondering if you are familiar with any of the African martial arts ? I once did a study swap with the son of a tribal chief. I taught him some techniques in return for him to teach me his tribal techniques. We were both Marines back during Nam and very close buddies. He called his martial art Cheebah, I am not sure of the spelling but the pronunciation is correct with this spelling. I was a freestylist with a conglomeration of techniques, other than what we were both taught in the Corps. In his tribe, to enter into manhood you were required to choose between fighting the best tribal warrior or killing a tiger or some big cat with your bare hands. The movements he taught me were all very close to the ground. One of the Jean Claude Van Dammes movies had an African Warrior amongst the contestants that used an African style very highly similiar to the one he was teaching me. I think it might have been Kumite or Kickboxer, one of the two. Where martial arts warriors from all over the world came to compete. I studied under him for two months. There was a lot of leg sweeping involved, very, very low to the ground. Occasional high leg and arm work was also used. A lot of punches, slaps, fingering and blocking which was unlike but similiar to eastern martial arts. Grappling was intense. I never went back to the barracks squadbay without being eternally sore from his teachings. I seemed to be unable to flex like he was able to in about sixty per cent of the things he was teaching me. We often sparred in his style or in what I taught him or his style against my cobbled together fusion of techniques. We both left out any move the Corps taught us. I also boxed back then, in the gym with some coaching.But I kept that separate and out of the picture. I was about eighteen yrs. Old at the time and stationed at Camp Lejeune. I know you were a swabbie so you know about Marines. Needless to say my duty station changed and I never saw him again. I know his family home was in D.C. and his last name was Johnson. Probably an Americanized version of his African last name. My first name is Americanized, I am Czech and came over as a young child. My Czech first name is Petr. I am nearly seventy now and I often wonder about him. His family were here temporarily as his father was the big Chief of his tribe. If you could, is there anyway that you can find out information on the many tribal fighting arts in Africa ? It would surprise you just how devastating their fighting styles can be and developed over thousands of years. So yes, they would know how to kill lions and tigers and bears, oh my. I have seen a large variety of weapons they use as well and Johnson told me that the martial art he practices works with weapons in hand as well as without. If you could only see it, I think your jaw would drop. In his tribe all male babies start being conditioned from birth and by the time they can talk they begin to learn the fighting style. Women in his tribe also learn but enough for self protection and they used to keep machete type knives with them. Men would hunt big cats for food, to feed the village. Women harvested fruit and vegetation. Well, anyway, I wish you much success and may God bless you and those you love, my friend and thanks for your splendid videos. I now have to go to see my new bullshido dodo nonsensei for tea. Take care and breathing it is, honorable master !!!
Aikido is only effective if you learn other martial arts with it! Its not effective in a street fight by itself or in any combat or mma fight situation! If you learn Kyokushin Karate and Brazilian Jujitsu and Muay Thai and Jeet Kune Do with it it'll be effective and after you've learned all 5 together go and test them all in street fights and in MMA fights do your own tests and you'll get your answer I always test out what you've learned before you say they are effective and that's for anyone with anything No matter what it is!
I totally disagree i do aikido and i also do bjj. I have won several matches with aikido.
Nah it's bollocks John.
explain what u did in ur BJJ Matches that was aikido please
@@chenwang643 sure i do a call iremi nage. Which the arm go toward your face. I used it in guard. Also i used anothef move call kotigashi .it turns the wrist toward the floor. Just little things. If i get a hold of the hands i can do a lock.
Bullsh!t!!
even though you yourself have this experience, people just wont accept it, zero respect just plain ignorance and hate, and FEAR because instinctively they feel the power of aikido.
See KDS Shotokai. Especially the films of the late sensei Mitsusuke Harada and considered his best student Tony Lima. KDS is a line of shotokai karate that has been developed in isolation from Japanese groups. The inspiration for the Sensei Harada were, among others, experiences resulting from contacts with aikido and the master Ueschib, which he wrote about in his books.
From what you showed us about Roy Goldberg, he looks like a legit Bulshido master with students who are in on it.
I saw your Deadpool shirt. I created him. That aside...I hold a Dan in Aikido. I also bounced. Aikido is effective after baptism by fire. My first fight? I was terrified of killing the other guy. I threw him down a flight of steps. Then...I pinned him. So if you don't use it regularly...a martial art is " useless" seriously. Regards sincerely...Deadpool's Dad.
Thank you I was so lost but I remembered your channel. I am still interested in the samurai arts. But I mean maybe it’s more for bias reasons that will be resolved in internal arts?
Things like concentrated breathing from samurai based animes like demon slayer.
Or just swords and weapons training but I’m mainly looking for the martial art I can dedicate my life to for spiritual and prana cultivation.
So thank you because I think your channel helps people decide for themselves that the neija or wudang arts more specially are probably the best bet if you plan on dedicating your spiritual warrior quest to this?
Dude I can only hope to get so lucky and find such good teachers. I will have to wait for a car to be able to go to a wing Chung school here.
Can't believe it took so long for me to resolve my issues. It is good you can carry an empty cup. I threw mine on the floor before I came to question others.
If I ever get good enough I will seek you out and touch hands. I too feel that this is the only way to know. It is the same with touching eyes in meditation. I have yet to meet anyone that can touch eyes. I am hopeful my location will change that.
Also if you know of any good I liq quan teachers in Los angeles let me know. Plan on picking up 4 or 5 myself. Getting old. But still worth it... for me. Heck you done a video on how to find a good teacher in an area yet? Would help many tons. Personally going to do 3 to six month blocks test them all and settle on one.
wing chun lmao, go sign up to bjj or some shit lmao
@@chenwang643 Most BJJ takedown moves are now countered by flying knees. BJJ can't beat Judo. Just look at how Ronda Rousy beat all the BJJ opponents. Instead, Ronda Rousey lost to Holly Holmes, a traditional kickboxer with very good footwork and striking accuracy. Don't lower you body and your head, cause your head will be kicked EASILY. It is easy to read that takedown attempt. Search RUclips for all the flying knee KOs on UFC and other MMA fights. I will never "walking around" allowing your to take me down or even close the distance. I move constantly laterally and circle around you looking for openings. Remember to protect your eyes and groins. I target your eyes and your groins.
Aikido was adapted from Jujitsu. It is just a defensive style. And there's offense in it.
There are no offensive techniques in Aikidou. They are all reactionary. Of course some of them ask you to go into the attack and interrupt it.
But learning some decent offense is important to become a good training partner.
As far does your fighting discipline work or doesn't is strictly up to you.its based on YOUR RATIO of Fear to Courage. Only YOU can determine if you will succeed against another.
well said.
I have a black belt in aikido and for self defense is useless.
There are similar sticky hands techniques you can do with a partner. You do them in seiza. On your knees.
You can work your center by doing tenkan with the hand movements.. You should look at the NY aikikai.. Because we absolutely can do solo work on our centers etc etc
Yeah, there's plenty solo Kata, some with Jo or Bokutou as well.
Because Chinese and Japanese ideals about harmony is similar, which is why their martial arts at its highest state, would look the same. Getting along with people is a skill that takes a lifetime to learn.
Aikido/ aikijitsu was originally designed for disarming swordsmen as a last resort when you got your own sword disarmed. It's not that it's useless but it is used out of place and is in itself a incomplete art as are most martial arts by themselves. Like if all you know how to do is boxing then you get into a street fight with a wrestler who gets you to the ground where your boxing becomes ineffective. It's not that boxing is useless.
Other arts also came from Daito Ryu that are still effective.
This saying that "well, this was intended for disarming swordsmen," is an excuse.
If it doesn't work when an opponent is not holding a sword, what do you think will happen if someone is?
@@GoldenbellTraining No, no. An art that is designed specifically for weapon disarms does not make you an effective well-rounded fighter.
While I don't necessarily agree with the other poster, to say that a system's technique curriculum drawing exclusively from disarms is not an explanation for why it does not make you an effective fighter, disarms aside, is just fallacious.
Personally, I disagree with the other person; my conclusion is that Aikido is conceptual system focused on evasion and escape, primarily, with a secondary emphasis on weapon retention and weapon disarms, hence the focus on wrist and arm control over body control like with western Wrestling.
The primary issue with Aikido is that people don't understand how to be a warrior before becoming a gardner, this is what Morihei Ueshiba did, he soldiered overseas for Imperial Japan. Furthermore, they don't have a proper understanding of the intended purpose of Aikido.
Following the loss of WWII, the Yang elements in training were (unfortunately) no longer emphasized in Aikido; pre/post WWII Aikido look very different...
...Aikido became the second half (Yin) to a well-rounded fighter's arsenal, the way to evade and escape conflict (descalation, situational awareness, distance management, emphasis on footwork, etc.) as opposed to engaging in conflict, Yang.
Most effective Aikidoka were well-established in other arts when they began studying the techniques of Morihei Ueshiba. Not so now.
@@GoldenbellTraining considering a "strike" in aikido is emulating striking with a sword but with ur arm
So WHY do YOU say.. “..the problem with Aikido in your title?? All martial arts are effective or not depending on who is teaching it and how seriously the student is committed to the techniques he’s learning.
The series is called "The Problem with Aikido." Thanks 👍
Prince, you are my favorite Jedi. Been following your post for years. I knew as a Jedi you would practice martial arts. I’m also an Jedi and I practice Seido Karate and judo. The problem with aikido is that Steven Seagal display of aikido distorted what aikido is truly. Aikido was meant to be a way a pacific to defend himself without killing , maiming or really hurting the attacker. Aikido was never meant to be an invincible martial art. Aikido was meant to be an alternative to killing and a pathway to higher spiritual understanding of life and god. Rokas another RUclipsr doesn’t understand this. Aikido weapons forms and footwork are amazing. I’ve used aikido strategy when sparring Kyokushin fighters. Wing chun have very good defensive techniques , it’s the offensive striking that need improving. Wing chun isn’t invincible but no martial art is.
I appreciate that, but I'm not interested in being a Jedi
My Sensei says Daito Aikijitsu is still brutal and Sensei's teacher is Kiochi Tohei Sensei and is the one who really gave Steven Seagal his black belt
I doubt Koichi Tohei gave Seagal his black belt. Tohei is Ki Society Aikido and it looks nothing like what Seagal does.
This was before he left Aikikai and started Ki society remember Tohai sensai did that in 1976 so I can be possible.
Thailand needs to open up so I can come over there and we can get some new video together. 😆
Thailand is open! Americans are leading the way with over 8000 tourists this month!
Just need a Certificate of Entry, Insurance for the Vid, and I think 1- night stay in an SHA+ hotel.
Hoping that last requirement will drop soon, but I don't see the insurance thing going away.
@@GoldenbellTraining Yeah, that's what I meant. Travel without restrictions, but I don't see the insurance requirement going away either. Too much money involved.
Aikido is totally a combo of judo and jiu jitsu, but it's a lot more delicate that either. It consists of moving qi around yourself to move your enemy. Aikido is a defence art, so a lot of offence martial artists won't understand it. When you genuinely fight someone as opposed to practicing, it gets a lot realer.
I have studied many martial arts including Aikido. I feel we need to talk less about ki/chi/etc and be more scientific. I focused on explaining ki/chi in terms of Potential and Kinetic Energy. This makes more sense.
kinetic energy is a part of it, sure. the other is what they call ki. there are scientific explanations, but they are not covered from your terms.
Judo and jiu jitsu and sambo are all great martial arts to any one who wants to train
It has one element of Kung Fu.
The problem is Hollywood has made out that you automatically break arms.
Judo has plenty of locks and leverage holds.
Any marital art that trains in one aspect, will fail especially with multiple attackers.
People just do not rush forward with their hands out.
With multiple attacks, one is trying to grapple keeping your hands tied, the other is trying to beat your brains out throwing multiple punches, another goes low for your legs.
Even if your attackers have no formal training, the pack mentality becomes natural especially if you are a threat their fear kicks in, and they have adrenaline.
If they are skilled it is worse.
The street has no rules.
I call Bullshido on Roy's Aikido.
Now make a video called “This secret is why Tai Chi is ineffective.”
Why?
@@GoldenbellTraining why do you think? Aikido is as effective as Tai Chi, probably more actually. Probably less than one person per thousand doing Tai Chi could use it effectively in combat. And that’s not dissing Tai Chi, it’s just that most people practising it have no desire to use it for combat. Most people who do Aikido don’t do it so they can fight people.
Making videos that disrespect other styles than those you like is immature to say the least.
It sounds like you have it all figured out 🤔
@@GoldenbellTraining At least I’m not the arsehole trying to get likes by making negative videos like this shit. You know that you’ll automatically get views if you post videos of Steven Seagal or Bruce Lee. I won’t be watching any more of your garbage. It’s pathetic really.
It all depends on what you want from a martial art. If what you want is to learn an ancient mystical dance that brings you enjoyment and peace then go for it. Any of the MAs can give you that. If you want a martial art that truly does a service to the name MARTIAL art then you can throw out anything that doesn't have full resistance training. You can throw out anything that wouldn't win in an mma ring. That includes almost all traditional MA. I all the traditional MA should be part of a martial artist's background. One should always honor history and it teaches respect and discipline. However, if you want to learn to defend yourself you need to move beyond those things while maintaining their spirit. You need to learn a real COMBAT art; preferably a few.
On a side note, if you want to get great REAL balance just train basic old wrestling. Nothing better to teach balance, leverage, and most importantly...take down defense. IMO.
It sounds like you have it all figured out 🤔
@@GoldenbellTraining Nah, I've just got SOME things figured out. Simple things really: 2+2=4, there's no order from chaos, and if you want to learn to fight you have to actually fight.
It's like I said, though. I fully believe in the importance of traditional MA. I also believe in the importance of truth as well. If teaching a form of self defense that will not live up to the defense part then everyone is losing. IF what you're teaching is a form of exercise and inner well being with no promises of self defense then that's honest and more power to you.
You should do a collab with Rokas
Any martial art that does not teach real footwork and practice real footwork, I would say it is impractical. At least you have to learn some footwork by sparring at full speed. I simply will never let you grab my arms or hands. AND I will never try to control my opponents by grabbing their arms of hands. Most of the Aikido techniques will be ineffective against me. It has been proven that as strong as Ronda Rousey in Judo, if you footwork sucks, you can never touch Holly Holmes cause her footwork is simply much better as she practices kickboxing.
Those same principles apply to boxing defenses when you're in close....
I'm sure that aikido could be very deadly. If practice by someone who's extremely conditioned and skilled in it. It's really not possible that there's any martial art that's just totally ineffective across the board. Simply maybe one that in the hands of most won't be as effective as in the hands of a master
Strange, Aikidou has both solo Kata and partner excercises that are similar to what you've shown although they are often performed seated. There's also breathing and stretching excercises.
For the Kata there's also Jo and Bokutou variants.
Is Hapkido more like Daito Ryu or Aikido?
If you know any martial arts, well..... If you're that focused, any.. ANY internal martial art, can be applied external, and vice versa.
Right?
Ueshiba lost his first family in is entirely.. Wife kids, all died.
After this time, he traveled all around China.. Yes, China, and he learned every thing he could.
The basics are all founded in kung fu chin-na.... Joint locking.
He added the footwork and using the opponents own momentum against them.
Aikido is what you use when the opponent has not gotten a good hold on you yet.
Judo is what you use, if they HAVE.
Aikido is absolutely internal, so....
I'm good with what I now.
Actually despite Ki Aikido and so one does Aikido have internal power training?
to master aiki-do one must first forget aiki-do
Anyone who thinks that actual aikido is innefective have never felt the agony while training.
You should get outside more...
First: posting Seagal and Aikido in one sentence/thumbnail/video disqualifies discussion by default. Second: Aikido was created for very specific set of circumstances - bascially, it is ENABLER for other weapons (being devices or martial arts styles) to be deployed. Three - nature of aikido - small joint locks - prevents effectively full contact sparring, which is far more important than any particular style. Also, and here's shout to all martial arts practicioners - no amount of technique will compensate for lack of physical conditioning/GPP and finally, psychological fortitude in "real situation". General physical and psychological aptitude beats technique; "fighting is not about knowing how, but choosing to".
What you say at minute 8:00 is mostly true, but the sad fact is: NO AIKIDO is NOT supposed to be an internal martial art. That is what people who do not know what they are writing about, are writing into wikipedia pages.
Aikido always was an external art. Which is not a problem in itself. The longer you do an art: the more they all become the same. If you have time, and intent, and are open minded.
Aikido is first of all: a weapon system. Not much internal about it.
Many Aikidoka who are a bit on the esoteric side believe that Chi/Ki is something they can produce with imagination in theirs mind. So they do not even learn proper techniques.
To utilize Ki/Chi and apply Aiki, you foremost of all: have to work on your body. And know how and why. Many Aidoka - and that is probably true for most people on the planet - do not know anything about internal arts, and what it means.
E.g. an excellent way to develop internal power is solo weapon practice, with proper breath and actually connecting your mind with your center. But that is to complicated for a web page ... perhaps we once meet. Are you still in Thailand?
me gustan todas esas peliculas de artes marciales...y de kong fu....
Check into Hiroshi Ikeda, he is going to be in Nashville in May.
Why?
@@GoldenbellTraining he is a high ranking Aikidoa that has internalized movement and shared what he is working on in seminars for years.
But why am I going to see someone when I already have a teacher?
@@GoldenbellTraining you start out saying your a believer in learning from your own experience. Not from some random guy on you tube. Yet you go to only one Aikido dojo then do videos on it. I've never meet Roy Goldberg but aware of him.The dojo that sponsored his visit isn't the one I'm affiliated with but I know quite a few of their people, same association. IKEDA is out of Boulder Colorado and has came to Nashville for over 25 years and always taught on internalizing your technique. He as well as other ASU master teachers have. Didn't catch that you were not in Nashville now. Thought that since, and I agree that ,you have to feel whats happening you might like to check out someone that has it if you were in Nashville. Since covid I'm not aware of his schedule but he use to do international seminars. Not recommending him as a teacher for you just hands on experience.
So what you're saying is that I need to go see this guy teaching skills in an art I'm not interested in learning even though I have a highly skilled teacher already?
I didn't make these videos because I visited one Aikido dojo. I made the videos because of what that instructor said- because other Aikido people have said the same thing to me.
The person who spoke with me has actually commented on this video, but they don't realize it. They also reconfirmed everything from that conversation 5 years ago. 🙂
Thanks for sharing, but I I know what my Sifu has. I don't need to look around at what other people are doing unless I'm going to make a good video...and for the time being, I'm only interested in visiting Internal Kungfu people who I know have the goods.
I fought a guy who claimed to know Aikido, I boxed him and didn't let him grab me, when he went for the grab I would leg sweep, I'm not a fight it was a street fight I had to defend myself, what do you feel about jeet kwon do? By the way I like your videos.
I would probably do the same, but just don't get close to him where he can slam you using a judo throw called irimi nage. Once he slams you on the ground, it is game over for you.
if he was trying to grab, he didn't do aikido. As simple as that.
Aikido practitioners need a 2nd martial art, such as boxing or muay tai to be functional. This is when you will see the benefits of aikido.
Aikido is very much about internal. More so than most any other martial art I would say. (imo)
It sounds like you have it all figured out 🤔
@@GoldenbellTraining lol you’re such a smart@ss. I love it, I am too.
I’m 45 y/o and started in martial arts with Shaolin Kenpo when I was 6. I dabbled in Aikido for a bit and maybe I had a good teacher? Everything I read on Aikido also seemed to focus on building internal energy, controlling and redirecting it. The physical techniques are physical manifestations of the internal energy flowing.
Am I off the point on this? Did you mean Aikido is lacking something other than this? Or possibly my experience is different than what you’ve come across?
The toxic poo pill ad was cool. Makes me want to pay for youtube premium to avoid hearing it. Umzu
Efective only on movies
Try Iwama Aikido
If someone from this school wants to come practice with me, but I'm not really looking to visit any Aikido dojos for awhile.
From what I’ve seen and experienced from cross-training with Iwama practitioners from Japan and the US, the style emphasizes technical correctness of technique among other merits, but developing aiki as an internal skill (vs. as an external tactic) isn’t one of them.
@@varamaur9567 the like to think so, but they can't
Most Aikido is neutered Daito Ryu, so I question why you would bother with a neutered watered down Daito Ryu?
Yah know after watching Bruce Lee movies , I always wondered if he discreetly does aikido with his JKD
6:58 who is the Aikido girl in the picture?
Its actualy different than judo more jujitsu. Judo and juitsu has grappling and wrestling moves. There not exactly the same..i know for a fact that hapkido and aikido are very similllar. Hapkido also has punches,blocks kicks.throws.grappling.joint locks
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I am not sure what you mean by internal? if you put internal in front of something it does not make it more effective. I"m sure you know this so what do you mean when you say internally. Are you saying a self-fulfilling martial art that is no use for fighting? is that what internal means?
It sounds like you have it all figured out 🤔
Prince. Haven’t heard from you with regards to my comment I made two months ago. I’m a student of Roy Goldberg. Not sure who you talked to in Nashville about him but I am the guy who organizes his seminars in Nashville. I just wanted your viewers to know that you and I have never had a conversation about Roy Goldberg so I don’t feel this video accurately reflects your statements. Whoever you talked to misrepresented himself. Be glad to have a discussion with you if you’d like.
"It's an internal matial art, but there is no internal development"
It sounds like you have it all figured out 🤔
@@GoldenbellTraining Apparently far better than you do. Go ahead and ask me how I know.
No thanks, you have it all figured out. 👍
@@GoldenbellTraining Then what was the point of your previous , passive aggressive snide ass little comment then ? What was the point of this equally punk-@zz reply?
At one point in your video you show Dan Harden sitting with Ron Goldberg. You want the real deal. Look up Dan Harden, he was one of Ron's students. Now, well lest say he is a force to be reckoned with. Look him up.
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This system is is not 100% effective . Because it is taught with friendly submission .
When they train they familiarize their brains with repetition . In a real fight , not much happens repetitiously
If an artist can’t take pain , he is not a fighter !
Yes they need to pressure test sparring with other styles too
@@jassimarsingh6505 no, because one can be succesful somehow, and still not be able to relate the effectiveness to the aiki principles.
Like Rokas and many others, who confuse what they know from other sources, as the potential reason of a functional aikido.
Is much more difficult to understand aikido, and it is easy to accept some level of effectivenes as the final answer.
If someone has 2 hands the why not use both of them. Wrist locks only work when playing with your kids. Or wwe
Dear Master. OmniPrescence is Actual your Chinese Sifu who your praising in the Problem with Aikido video, is wrong on many levels. He is wrong because he is too convinced of his own skill and it's safe to conclude HE HAS NEVER HAD HIS ASS KICKED BY ANYONE IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE. ( Social and Martial)
Two words placebo affect. Just no one knows about it.
There is shitty karate , Kung fu, aikido etc... Yoshinkan style is very different from hombu style ( Aikikai) Yoseikan and shodokan ( tomiki) have plenty of traiining with resisting partners . Avoid making judgements and generalization based on very partial.data.
Maybe pay attention to the entire video before "making judgements and generalization based on not paying attention to the details"
so they rely on a resistance that in real fights you will never have.
It is as fals as being soft.
Yeah, agreed. All martial arts, especially traditional, were developed and honed to be sharp.
Aikido was developed from the Samurai art which was against armed men.
It just that experts make it look easy and many only see the art through demonstrations.
So, they get don't really know what they are talking about.
Ultimately, it is the person who practices that makes it "good" or "bad".
Like Steven said, "In a fight, you fight your style and disrupt the other person's style".
That's why you have to keep practicing whatever style you are in and make it your own.
Ok now he said his style on thld all respects be ok
What am I missing ?
What is the secret why Aikido doesn't work ?
People don’t leave there arms out when fighting the draw them in , no chance of throwing them or getting a grip
I did laugh at this because I have no prior knowledge who that old timer is but that has to be complete BS how do people buy into that it's clearly obvious? I must be going crazy
I'm an Aikidoka and never heard of Roy Goldberg. There area lot of these type of people that do this type of stuff and I have met many in the Kungfu community. It's not an exclusive problem with Aikido. As for the internal side a lot of that is built through weapons training and strong grabs (not the light fluffy stuff).
Roy Goldberg teaches Roppokai Daito-Ryu Aiki-jujutsu, one of the branches of Daito-Ryu that the teacher of Morihei Ueshiba, Sokaku Takeda taught him. As quoted by Ueshiba in reference to Takeda: "He opened my eyes to Budo"
did you try judo or bjj?
Dabbled with BJJ years ago. Will try it again when I get to my instructor levels under my teacher.
making every technique simple & working means, to activate the technique !!
in martial arts terms, it would sounds like, to activate technique is to Aiki the technique !!!
and for those (non-scholars),
to Aiki means to Activate !
just another term, and of the so many simple terms that was
took from the mystic school of thought called Aikido !!!
that's why, the massive error in
this aspect of research was to throw ppl back with what such schools had to discover or to inherit !!
each person would Aiki such technique so differently, and eachother will reach to a
humane_level
of no-way back or/and a
humane level of no
furthermore !!!
so, arrogance and persistence had to be controlled from becoming surplus or surpass !!?
GOD knows ALL