TBH the 'Stadium experience' has chased me right out of enjoying the artists who were part of my life for so many years. I've resorted to finding talented, new, hungry and passioned musicians on platforms like RUclips, then spending 'reasonable' prices to see them live, even meet them. Even flying to see some of these artists are cheaper than forking out hundreds for a show/parking, for nose bleeds where you can only see the musicians on LCD screens because they're so far away.. There are tons of talent out there who deserve your money and support. Feeding this 'system' where ticket sellers reserve the better tickets for resellers to profit only encourages them, F them!
Huge Stadium Gigs are largely awful, when I saw the Stone Roses were doing them in Wembley in 2017 I gave up on them....it's a sign that a band is just doing it for the money.
Totally. I was at a multi-venue festival in Brighton on Friday (£25 for an early bird ticket) and saw some brilliant bands in intimate venues. Chatted to other festival goers and said 'hi' to one or two of the bands. Way more fun than being treated like cattle where you can only see the artists on a screen, as you say, and the sound is inevitably terrible! I've got nothing against larger venues in general, but I rarely go to Brighton's biggest venue (the Brighton Centre) because it's the most expensive (oh, hi again, Ticketmaster!) and yet the sound is notoriously poor.
@@barrybloye doing this over 12 years ago has lead me onto a decades long adventure of travel to cities I've never been before, meeting fans in those cities to enjoy the band together, leading to sharing videos for fans who couldn't make shows of an artist who notoriously doesn't like to promote herself, to eventually getting complete camera access to shows to edit and post videos w/ the artist's blessing. That's on top of discovering and hanging out w/ many more talented artists adjacent to the one I support primarily. It's been a true blessing. I LOVE the Beatles, but Paul no longer needs my money and there's a certain pride to helping a creative you support reach their dreams
Fiasco indeed. Spend all morning trying to get tickets and every error mentioned elsewhere occurred at some point - 5hrs later I gave in. Deleted the Ticketmaster app. On the bright side some band called The Darkness played my hometown in Jersey. You're also right about seeing quality bands multiple times, we had only seen you guys play at Latitude a few weeks previous. Keep on rocking...
Why ? you already knew the touts were Dossing TM from 4 am that morning theres only 30-40 % buying who WANT to go . rest are resellers & soon to be drowned touts - show up with no Tcket & youll get one ,id even play cash out with Touts. 1st song has started thats 30 % off right there & its goin down every second ,ill give you a fiver - after that opening song YOU set the price not that scouse C***
Yeah I got all the way through - selected tickets >>> error message. Tried on the same page for hours but it didn't work. Tried to get back through too and that failed.
Good one. They actually sold out after the first album. They claim to be working class yet write songs about champagne and send their kids to private schools and live in upper crust areas of London. I know Noel worked as a roadie (saw him with Inspiral Carpets in Glasgow) but that's not being working class and Liam likely has never worked in his life. The area they grew up in, Burnage, is actually quite nice leafy suburbia not a grotty council estate. They are a sham through and through.
F that. So rude. I was really like Noel’s. Interview is was incredible about a year talking about his gear in his studio. Wasn’t a fan of his music. But. He was super interesting told awesome stories. But f that 360 crap
I was one of the “lucky ones” to get tickets in the pre-sale, but after seeing what my friends, family and millions of others experienced attempting to get tickets in the main sale, it left a bitter taste in my mouth. My favourite band, the working-class heroes, that meant so much to me in the mid-90’s - in my formative years - now potentially fleecing those who transcended them from nothing to super-stardom made me feel very sad and depressed at the state of the music industry now. If I’d secured tickets in 1997 - at the pinnacle of their success - I’d have been feeling so overwhelmed with excitement that I’d not have come down from my high for many years, but in 2024, at the age of 43 and somewhat jaded by all that has come and gone, I don’t feel anything anywhere near what I would have then, knowing that their reformation is more about their bank balances than their desire to serve those who got them to the heights at which they now find themselves. Shame on them for allowing this and for alienating the very people who they should be rewarding for getting them to the very privileged place they find themselves in 😔
They must have realized somehow that there petty squabbling with each other all these years has cost them millions of dollars so there trying to make up for it before they get any older. I hope they at least still sound good, I really love the music they made in the nineties to this day
@@Carroty_Peg ... He said he got his in the pre-sale, so at the cheapest price and would not have been aware of the dynamic pricing aspect nor later prices ... so now he is merely looking back in sadness, but don't look back in anger ...
I saw you guys this year at Warwick Castle with a friend. A beautiful venue, an amazing support act (Southern River Band) and you guys were incredible. Easily the best £40 I’ve ever spent. By far one of the best gigs I’ve been to surrounded by lovely folk. I’d take a gig like that over a stadium every night of the week❤
I saw The Darkness in Boston last October, I forget what I paid, the ticket wasn't much, and the VIP was like another $150 or whatever. I definetely got my money's worth! You, Justin, and the whole band were awesome when I got to meet you! You answered everyon's questions, hung out with us for bit, we got to go up on the stage and check out all your gear, and I ended up in the best front row center spot right in front! What a blast! I wish you did two Boston gigs back to back because I would have been at both of them!
I saw The Darkness 2 yrs ago for $150 Australian. This included the VIP experience, meet the band/Q&A, AND I got to sing One Way Ticket onstage with them in the sound check! BEST DAY OF MY LIFE FOR $150!🤘
I just wanted tell you that the world is blessed to have you and you have brought me so much joy and miles of smiles since 2003 and beyond. The music and personality of The Darkness has made my already awesome life even better!! So… thank you from the bottom of my heart. KEEP MAKING MUSIC!!! We need it!!!
"And I want you to know It's dynamic pricing But we neeeeed more cash! I don't want you to say That you can't afford it We're Oasis So just get a loan Get on that phone There's lots of choice so please don't moan She is expensive Can I be expensive too!!! She is extortion We're making a fortune too!!"
Queen + Adam Lambert didn't opt out of dynamic pricing either. The average price for tickets in Atlanta for last tour was $600! The Cure, on the other hand, told Ticketmaster to piss off, and not only did we get tickets in the same venue for under $50, their merch was really inexpensive too (concert shirts were $25). They sold out two nights. Bands can do it if they want to.
@@Dreyno John has retired and you’ve never been to a show I strongly suspect. Yes you are trite, your words suggest nothing but a ghoulish NPC with options garnered from some crap you read online
The phrase "You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villan." comes to mind with this whole Oasis thing. It was great at the time, but it's just nostaligia fueling everyone. things have changed and the experience won't be what it was like 'back in the day'.
Thats 100 % spot on , i liked the cheesy marshall amps & the made up drum kit & the knackered old piano from that Junk shop - Now its gonna be effects units not pedals & every amp will be factory identical . The non polished stuff is what made them gigs epic . 140 quid to watch on a screen = may as well get a West Ham season Ticket !
The “experience” will be awful. It’ll be a load of bellends, trying to be Liam from the 90s, drunk and high, being twats. I’d love to see Oasis, loved them the first time round… but have no interest paying over priced fees to stand in the middle of that atmosphere…
It was like in 2009 when I saw them in Manchester. It'll be even worse now and I certainly didn't pay hundreds for the privilege. I think it was about £60 max. @@Chriswatney
Yes it was £34 to see The Darkness in a 3000 capacity venue in December 2023 And after we all got a bollocking for using our phones - it was one of the best gig I’ve been to. Respect & Thanks to you guys and artists like Nile Rodgers, Extreme, Living Colour etc that play loads of concerts for affordable prices.
@@ianwhitehead691 And you don't have to either. That's the beauty of free choice (I've never paid to see them either). But if forced to choose between them and a bunch of lads who just play various versions of "All The Young Dudes" all night then it would be an easy choice.
It's both refreshing and inspiring to see an artist speak out about this horrendous exploitation of the Oasis fan base - particularly someone who is in a working band and actively navigating their own existing live market (i.e. summer festivals and smaller headlining shows). I paid just $90 (AUD) to see The Darkness 18 months ago (or so) in a 3,000 seat Australian venue, and they delivered such a high-energy set full of genuine character and talent that I not only felt thoroughly entertained but completely justified more broadly in being a fan. Ultimately I believe the band were undercharging for the performance they gave, but I'd argue that every single person in that audience went home doubly committed to buying the next 'The Darkness' album and seeing their next tour. That's how you treat your fanbase, and that's how you earn their ongoing respect. By contrast, with this ticketing scam, the Gallagher brothers have done the exact and complete opposite to their fans (the very same fans who have supported both of them in their respective solo careers). It's appalling.
@@nattartz6841There you go….. He’s a good one for sure! To be fair - £300 odd for a gig is just ridiculous and totally unnecessary. Oasis knew the demand would be high so maybe add more dates, I mean, it’s not that complicated! Announcing they’ll not play Glastonbury was strategic - Glastonbury might not even want them but it’s done to say - be here now or don’t be here at all! I’m not totally convinced Oasis’s heart is even completely in it and the shows might not even be that great. Who knows but for die hard Oasis fans - it’s not the best start of a reunion. Blur had it right and released a new album! Played Wembley, made a DVD of it and everyone was happy days! 1-0 to Blur!
@@nattartz6841 he said no to the dynamic ticket pricing during the run of cure shows over here last year (Hollywood Bowl) - because, again.. it's at the artist's discretion. (dynamic pricing).. he posted on twitter and said as much, and was very honest about how it all worked. he then took ticketmaster to task after they tried to tack on those 'fees' they love so much, because some fees became more than the actual tickets themselves. in the end - tickets were fairly priced and could only be resold fan to fan (using ticketmaster) so it IS possible for this to play out in a better way than most fan's experience from the Oasis ticket sale. dynamic pricing is ridiculous.. it doesn't matter what the 'demand' is or what the cost of doing business is nowadays, if a band claim they can't turn a genuine profit at STADIUM shows with tickets at 150 quid, they're lying.
I've been a fan of the original line up since I saw them on TOTP in 1995 playing Don't look back in Anger, I was only 11 and from that point onwards I was learning guitar to them. That moment had a huge impact on me as a guitar player, great songs I could actually play without having to be as good as poeple like Eddie Van Halen, and Noels lead style is still ingrained into how I play now. I was too young to see them back with the original line up and after they changed with Standing on the Shoulders of Giants, I lost interest in that band and didn't see them live. When the reunion was announced and Bonehead was confirmed to be joining them and rumours of Alan White, I thought this was as close as I'm gonna get to see the Oasis I loved. I listened to them days before the tickets were on sale, and was watching the Maine Road show (which I must of watched hundres of times on my original VHS in the 90s) right up until the tickets went on sale. I was on the pages for every Wembley Show the night before, logged in and had my card saved on Ticketmaster ready to grab just one ticket for one of the shows. I'd never usually spend £150 on a gig, but his time I thought it was worth it. Just before 9am, every webpage I had open crashed. When I finally got a screen saying join the queue, I did but that said something has gone wrong and I had to refresh; which I'm pretty sure pushed me further back in the queue. Eventually I got a place with over 100,000 people in front of me on three of the gigs, so I just left it to see what happened not expecting to be able to get any tickets when I got to the front of the queue, or there to only be VIP packages left. About 2pm onwards the queue was at about 26,000 and falling pretty quick, I assumed people were just giving up, but when I got to the front of the queue I soon realised why the queue was dieing so quickly. When I got in, I was shocked to see standing ticket still going and decided to get one, until I was presented with "In Demand" price of £358 before the booking fee. For a moment I considered it but quickly came to my sences and left the site disspointed and rather bitter about the whole experience. If the tickets had all sold at the advertised price I would of just felt gutted at missing out and hoping to get some at a reasonable re-sale price or waited for more show to be announced, but the reality was that I was pissed off that they allowed Ticketmaster to more than double the price of these tickets. After 30 years of being a fan I won't bother listening to them anymore, playing their songs on guitar and certainly won't bother trying to get anymore tickets, it's left a very sour taste in my preverbial mouth. This was not a reunion for the fans, it was shameless cash grab by people who already have enough as it is! I brought tickets for Ginger Wildheart instead, far more talented songwriter and doesn't price his fans out of gigs. Screw Oasis, just lost a fan of almost 30 years!
@@Molotov_Milkshake Low bar or not he's made a lot of money from it and responsible to getting a whole generation to pick up and learn guitar, regardless of whether those players did or did not move on. And I also moved on to new bands, styles and techniques because Noel's playing is limited and he admits it himself and does not like playing lead guitar, but what I first learnt is still a part of my playing style, and I don't have a problem with that. Your comment comes off rather patronising.
Oasis looking after their fans? There is millions of people wanting to see them. There is only so much space. Are they suppose to play 500 events to bring the price down?
@@Art-is-craft They're not playing extra shows now, so the only difference between what is happening now and playing 500 shows is the fans getting stiffed.
@@skabuoy They will keep adding dates until they`re not selling out the venues anymore and eventually the ticket prices will start dropping back to the original prices....They will let it run until they`ve squeezed every last penny out of mug punters like you.
The great reunion of brothers, putting aside thier differences and coming together again to make a shit tonne of money from people who helped make them what they are! Now thats gratitude!
And there’s Billy Joel saving the seats for genuine fans right at the front at his gigs, and those with cheap seats gets pulled to the front. I think that’s Class.
Dynamic or In Demand pricing is definitely scummy behaviour. The people in the queue had no clue that they were queuing for something they couldn't afford. It appears that the website created the 'Demand' by keeping people in a ridiculously sized queue. Using the number of people in the queue to implement dynamic pricing. If they put up a box on the queue screen showing the current "Dynamic" price it is inevitable that the demand would nosedive when the fans see just how much they would need to pay. Seems incredibly unfair to me but that's just my opinion.
Yes. I imagine most people logged in at 9am. That means ticketmaster knew what the demand was at that point. Odd that they didn't immediately start with high price tickets..... or maybe they did? I had a crack at getting a couple, but never got through the queue.
I actually got in with 4 tickets ready to purchase at regular price. Hit the payment button and it would not process after multiple times clicking it. Then a fatal error forced me to refresh the page and re-enter the queue from scratch I just turned my computer off. I’ve seen them twice before so not heartbroken.
I don't think anything should be put on the band for this. It's not their doing. It would go a long way to insist though that TM refund the difference for the morally corrupt way they inflated prices, especially as touting will be legislated for. I hope this brings a big change in the system. It's been an awful experience for many and sucjed the joy out of such a great thing to be happening. A ballot would have been better. Submit your request for tickets and venue and see if you win. It's fair and not dependant on the failing technology that has ruined people's plans and dreams to see the band. I tried and failed miserably. I'm not sour at it. I can accept not going. I feel for those who got through the process and were canceled by failed systems and also agree by those who have so much say in love music vending. We need positive change, hopefully this makes it happen. Take a stand Oasis, it'll be appreciated. Pioneers once again is at their grasp!
It's a mafioso technique. Acquire product; rinse the demand as much as you can. I'm sad about it. I'm not a fan of Oasis but I have lost respect for Ticketmaster and this.
Your philosophy on that fans get the best show they can for a reasonable price is so good. Plus, the statement that the focus of the vision for artists should be to get on stage and play in this life. So good.
My heart breaks for today’s generation. I’m lucky enough to have a 25+ year history of gigging behind me. I remember the days of paying £18 for an arena show. I have a ticket stub for The Darkness where it cost me £12.50 to go see them back in ‘03. I’ve been fortunate enough to see all but 1 or 2 of the bands I love, past or present. And all of that is when it was reasonably priced. Ideally I’d have been born in the early 60’s so I’d have been old enough to see EVERYONE, but thank God I still managed to get in whilst I could and have a whole lifetime of great gig memories. Today’s kids are paying over £100 for some gigs, they’re paying over £300 for a festival. They have queues to enter queues and Dynamic Pricing and Touts using bots to scoop up every ticket to put them up for re-sale at 3 times the price. Today’s gigging and touring experience is miserable and it hurts because I want the kids to have the same great times I did.
A bit melodramatic that, sir! There's a million things more important in life than watching people live who care for you zero / see you as a pay cheque. If it's not sustainable, things will change. If bands only want to play before ugly rich folk, so be it. Probably not the kind of band you should be wanting to see. If Oasis' Reunion tour brings down capitalism, that will be good for the world.
In fairness, I love Oasis, I used to be obsessed with them. Bought everything I could get my hands on as a teenager, watched every documentary, bought them round sunglasses and adopted the look and the gestures and the overall attitude. I saw them live as a band just once in 2009, and Liam solo 3 times within the last 6 years. But the whole ticket farce, dynamic pricing, the costs of flights and hotels... sheeesh! I've had enough. I f**king have.
I feel the same mate it was a disaster on Saturday morning I pretty much wasted a morning I saw them in 2009 before they split and I don't think I can be bothered if they add more dates
Same as you apart from the Hair :P I saw em years ago & i have to be honest the song that drove me was the Beatles Walrus that was epic live. I was on the dark web last week tracking a touts / scammers page - they were paying pennies for every page refresh ( they hired Indian scammers to clog the phone lines for a few Rupees ) none of these will Buy - that gives the Touts the access to use Multiple accounts to buy tickets. Its well known that TM has a click/buy ratio of 1in 5 = very odd . How many times have you queued for say an FA Cup Ticket or gig ticket back in the day & someone go to the front & said actually ive changed my mind ? TM want drowning as do Touts
Same here mate. The first two albums were the soundtrack to my childhood. I was a little too young to see them in their hayday so I was looking forward to this. Just shows it wasn't for the art or the fans, but purely for the money.
I saw you in Jersey last night. Absolutely brilliant performance. The Darkness were the most entertaining band of the weekend. Thank you for a great show. Texas were also bloody good, for the record.
Oh Justin, always a gent. Love hearing your thoughts on this. Your fans really have the best in you, a diamond. Thank you. I think you're spot on that this reeks of a one time thing. I far prefer the ethic / work ethic of a band which, as you say, and as you do, treats high demand as something you put extra dates on to satisfy, rather than something that just enables you to charge everyone multiples of a fair ticket price rather than putting in the extra work of more gigs. That starkly illustrated it for me.
It's mind bending. You could literally be stood next to someone at the gig that has paid half/double/treble etc the price you paid!? For the same ticket!! How is that not profiteering? Also, were they not initially expecting it to be popular?? The world and his wife knew how crazy it was going to be to try and get a prized ticket. How was 'dynamic pricing' even even involved?? It's not a shock to anyone that this event went off the chain!🤯🤯
Justin as a yarmouth lad we used to wait outside prism leisure and buy our tickets. That was with you guys as well. Nowadays “gotta mortgage my house because Ticketmaster needs more money”
I think it’s okay to take 20-30 second videos of a song or two you like and then just enjoy the rest of it! I try to take as few videos as possible but still take some so that I can revisit those memories!
Great overview. Seeing people saying they queued for over 6 hours to get to the front, get tickets in their cart only to then be thrown out and accused of being a bot is unbelievable as all I have seen since then is giveaway companies offering their lottery tickets to win not 1 but 2 tickets to every gig, so they must have been using a bot.... now other reselling sites selling tickets for over £5K, make it make sense!
The Cure handled their ticket sales last time around very well. Very high demand for their shows and they didn’t do dynamic pricing. Wasn’t a perfect situation but much better for fans than the dynamic pricing situation.
The Cure proved (via a very public negotiation with Ticketmaster) that an artist CAN advocate for their fans but most choose not to. Oasis did a noble thing by setting a standard ticket price however it appears part of the “deal” was allowing Ticketmaster to sell x-amount of dynamic tickets which you can choose to not buy. Ticketmaster has always been crooks. They’re going to get their money one way or another.
@@ColinP-yo2mzCompletely agree Colin. I got through by 10.30am and even then I was blocked from buying £150 tickets. I’d love to see the % of tickets sold as hospitality or “in demand”, it felt as though it’s more than half the tickets. The Gallaghers were in full agreement to the pricing structure, and the hiding of “in demand pricing” until fans were checking out. Disgraceful all round.
@@jeperstone Spot on. Of course they do! Artists are given the choice about whether to include dynamic pricing, and Ticketmaster have confirmed it was Oasis’ decision to do it. Nobody makes that decision without taking a big cut of the profits
Don’t think people know just how much of a stranglehold on live gigs They own over 400 venues in the world have 70% odd exclusivity with venues to sell tickets They own live nation
The Oasis situation has opened my eyes honestly. I have made the decision that i am never paying for a ticet if there is dynamic pricing. And im not even baming ticetmaster. I blame the band. And if that means im never going to a big band for the rest of my life. Then so be it.
Oh. I would share the blame with Ticketmaster. They've never been anything but a deeply corrupt, mercenary and vile company. They've thought up yet another way to be so, probably giving the artist some incentive to go for 'dynamic' aka greedy bastard pricing.
I'm with you. Unfortunately it won't make a blind bit of difference unless everybody is. See you at the bar of a small gig where the band still love it.
Ticketmaster have a monopoly and know people will pay the price they set and can get away with dynamic pricing. It’s a fucking scam and it’s the way the worlds going as we become a more digital society
Nah the ticketmaster infrastructure is a con and they have a monopoly so they get away with it. They just made a kings ransom from being a crap website which doesn’t work.
Everything you said Justin sums it all up. I have seen this approach from Noel to make more money for less effort. When he started his solo career, he would play two nights at a venue in Toronto, prices would peak at around CAD$100 and played for over an hour and a half. Last tour, he was playing one night at a venue with 16,000 people, Garbage was also headlining, and ticket prices had doubled, and they each played for about an hour.
Do you have ANY IDEA that fuel in the UK costs 400 % more now than then ? Thats just fuel - food 125 % . While wages went up 5-7 % Wembley costs about 2 million a day to rent .Policing on top of that will be higher to deal with parking & ticket scammers & touts ARE GONNA be targeted .Face value or you are goin swimmin m8
Justin, me and my daughter saw you in Cardiff. Darkness is one of the best bands i`ve seen live, your handstand leg clapping was indeed the highlight. my daughter got an Oasis ticket, she got in on priority through a freind. one of the fortunate ones..
I am, in very certain terms thrilled and proud (although I have no right to be) that you spurn dynamic pricing. I am exactly the demographic you describe and try and see The Darkness 3 or 4 times a tour or season, now with a man child in tow. I even bought VIP tickets but didn't use them as such - because standing was sold out. It seemed like a fair exchange for your tireless hard work and my unadulterated joy. Said child always wants merch too so more power to your elbow.
Good on you Justin!! I was lucky enough to see the band in 1996. I don’t need to see them a second time. You may find if you pay too much to get tickets that you might be underwhelmed. But only you can judge! ❤❤
They probably priced there loyal fans out of seeing them now and replaced them with people who will probably be watching there TikTok video's whilst the show is going on
The tickets thing always makes me proud to be a fan of hardcore and metal. You can see your favourite band potentially for often no more than say 30 quid! Once saw Obituary so close up that I had to duck when the singer would lean out over the crowd. My partner could see up his shirt!
I’m obsessed with Oasis but really disappointed they didn’t take a stance on this. Pleased for genuine oasis fans who got tickets, gutted I queued for 6 hours to find tickets had gone up to an unaffordable £355 😩
Me too, I’ve seen them ten times and I’m totally disappointed in them, Noel always said they were a working class band - that’s a joke. How do they sleep at night knowing they’ve done this to their fans.
Very disappointed with them. It's up to the artist whether or not to implement dynamic pricing. Queues are inevitable and Ticketmasters problem but the price is all Oasis's doing. I was struggling to justify paying 170 for a ticket but seeing over 450 for a standing ticket. I pulled out of the qeuet. Having a person who paid 170 standing right next to a person who paid nearly 500!! Makes no sense. I think the government here in Ireland will step in again like when they banned secondary sites
Don’t panic. The FOMO will die off a few shows into the tour and people’s plans always change. I predict that many who paid 450 for their tickets because they over bought or have a wedding to attend will be trying to sell for whatever they can get on the likes of marketplace a few days before the show. Good luck
Having a person who paid 170 standing right next to a person who paid nearly 500!! Makes no sense. Exactly that sooo contradicts itself! Like the General Election-Reform UK got more votes than the Lib Dems but they got more seats 🤷🏻♂
100% spot on. Just price the tickets respectfully and if they all sell out, add more shows. Imagine a band that's able to keep adding more and more dates at Wembley - all without rinsing fans - they'd be absolute legends.
Bought 2 for £920 when you include the insurance (seemed sensible (the insurance that is)). I'm 27, this isn't just a ticket to a live event, it's a ticket to time travel. I've only ever been able to experience those 90's gigs through a screen and for the first and likely only time I'll get to actually live it. My initial reaction: WORTH IT. Having said that, the more videos like this that I see (very fair analysis of the situation), the more I do have a bit of a sour taste about it. I know people who made it through the queue but couldn't afford the inflated prices once they arrived at the checkout and now won't be attending. For a working class 'band of the people', that's piss poor.
I’m so glad I was alive and allowed, as a kid, to go to concerts… I saw so many acts… I could pay for the tickets w my part time jobs whilst in high school and college… and even afterwards for a decade or so… but I stopped buying tickets once I couldn’t afford the tickets… a lot of the bands I enjoyed… were charging hundreds for nosebleed seats… forget about it. But King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard tickets were 56 bucks.. general admission… small venues… so glad… seeing them before they blow up…
@justin i got the cromer train at 7:15 am logged on at 9am stayed in the queue looked now and again between walking along cliffs with my dog and finally got 2 tickets .. :) keep on keeping on ❤
I managed to get in early on Saturday and had 2 tickets at £150.00 a piece for standing, I proceeded to get to the payment page and soon as a I clicked payment the error message came up forcing non payment and pushing me out of the site. Once this happens you end up in a queue of half a million and with no prospect of success. Twelve hours later I got in and found the same tickets for £358.00 and added them but the site wouldn't let me buy them at all. To be honest the last attempt was an exercise in seeing if I could actually buy the bloody things because I wasn't actually going to pay that price.
What a mess. I'd go spend the money you were going to spend on something a bit more valuable than a pair of greedy grifters (my opinion of them has plummeted due to their greed).
Same as me and this part is unforgivable. Websites need to test for volumes but bringing the spec up for such huge numbers is hard to achieve. However, the payment functionality is behind the queue which should be throttled to a level that the payment systems don’t fall over. Ticketmaster ignore all complaints and fail to answer the issue you raise.
The whole thing has been a nightmare for most fans! I knew how difficult it would be to get tickets on Saturday morning so had emailed the venue I wanted to attend last Tuesday when the dates were announced and asked to be added to their ‘hospitality list’. The venue emailed me their hospitality options so I knew in advance what each ‘tier’ got you and how much it was. The Hospitality Dept then email you as soon as the hospitality tickets go live, with a link to purchase any of the packages. You still need to be quick - and these did sell out in a couple of hours, but it was much less stressful than dealing with Ticketmaster!!! The prices varied from £340 - £650ish a ticket - which i totally understand is a lot of money! However, the ‘cheapest’ hospitality ticket (£340) includes a pitch standing ticket, a free bar for 3 hours before the show, buffet food before and after, a DJ set and access to the lounge after the show for a couple of drinks while the stadium empties etc. So I ended up buying these. To now find out that I paid less for my package than some people ended up paying for a standard pitch standing ticket due to ‘dynamic pricing’ is disgusting!
" a free bar for 3 hours before the show." You'll get your £340 back in free drinks then easy. You might not see the show but hey, you can tell people you were there.
found my Verve ticket for Haigh Hall the other day in a drawer, 1998 (if correctly remembered), £21, and for that you also got Beck, Jon Martin and also wasn't DJ Shadow there, I can't member, was so long ago. I tried for tickets to Foals a while back but associated costs meant I just sat at home and chucked on Spotify. I member going to see bands for £8 on a weeknight ....ive given up on Festivals and big events like this, getting tickets is LOOOOONG, and the associated costs now mean its only rich folks who can go to these things. I aint bitter, I had my fun.... good luck kids!
Justin you nailed it when you said “or play as little as possible and charge as much as possible for as little work as possible” …or close that statement. If you’re a musician wouldn’t you want to play as much as possible…OASIS is not a bar band though are they, so, they’re going to command whatever they can and they’re going to rake it in. I’m guessing I’ll have to skip it as I’m just too logical about costs but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t do the same if I was in their position!
Hey Justin, it would also be great if you talked about Massive Attack's latest concert Act 2.5 which was the most environmentally friendly concert in history. I'm sure it would a great topic for a video. Jersey looks amazing!
Politicians need to step in here. Ticketmaster has come way too close to a monopoly and live music is an integral part of our human culture. When one company owns the ticket sale AND the venues this is not a free market anymore.
The U.S. Justice Department sued Ticketmaster earlier this year but lord did it take them forever. This isn’t a new problem. Artists like Pearl Jam and Metallica testified at congressional hearings back in the 90s. Most politicians don’t care and if change happens it’s slow. And they weren’t sued for price gouging, they were sued being a monopoly.
If the goverment gets involved Oasis will be able to make as much profit as possible but they will be canceled and put in jail! It’s illeagal to on purpose offend people UK!!
A band who fame themselves in not giving a monkeys about the thoughts and opinions of anyone are unlikely to express too much remorse over the dynamic pricing fiasco. Also I think most people were more out out by the way that ticketmaster's handled the volume of traffic. The queues were ridiculous. Having your session terminated seemingly randomly. Being accused of being a bot. No information about which dates had tickets left and where in the venue. Not being able to pay. Errors appearing at checkout. I'm not surprised people are furious. I had a similar experience with ticketmaster for your motorheart tour where I was a used of being a bot and then the tickets sold out for your London gig in 5 minutes before I could plead my innocence. (luckily my better half was able to get us two tickets without ticketmaster ruining things). Keep riding hard and well Justin x
Going to see Fu Manchu in Manchester next month, yeah they're not Oasis but still absolutely rock and still going after around 40 years, £27.50 a ticket. Well happy with that. Give me a gig under a closed roof in a smaller venue over over-inflated cash cow outdoor show any day of the week.
For a 'working class' band, maybe some maths is in order. The UK living wage is £12 per hour. At 150 quid per ticket, that's 12.5 hours work, at £360, it's 30 hours - plus booking fees and travel costs on top. They really have become the prawn sandwich brigade.
@@formulaic78 Ha! What I mean, is they still trade on their origins when it suits them. I've definitely seen Liam refer to himself as 'working class hero', before now.... I'm not sure that can really be accurate when the band are deliberately pricing gigs so the working classes can't afford tickets.
@@ZuzuTheLemonyeah I'm sure you're right. I don't watch many interviews with them but that one stuck in my mind. Bit like seeing Micah Richards telling Gary Lineker and Alan Shearer that he was wearing such and such suit, which they all understood. I'd never heard of the designer so went and looked him up and it was like 5,000 quid for a jacket. Working class heroes indeed!
Interesting you mention Heaton - was listening to an interview with him a few years back and was chatting about how £30 is still a lot of money for plenty of people, and that he was thankful to be in the position not to chase high ticket prices. Glad to see he's standing by it. No doubt there's an argument for undervaluing one's services, but hoofing people out of the queue and re-charging them hundreds of pounds extra for the privilege is just a piss take and contempt for fans - Oasis can get in the sea.
Paul Heaton has values and principles, hasn't lost touch with his roots, unlike the pair of scallies who have no respect for those who made them what they are.
It's more of an indictment of Ticketmaster than the band in my opinion. Here in the US, Ticketmaster has to publish the price of tickets that include all of the fees. I think that it was out in place after the whole Taylor Swift thing. The problem is that Ticketmaster or the "service" that is selling the tickets own the venues making the service fees redundant. It used to be that if you wanted to see a show, doors open at 8pm for example. Well, you can show up but they have a line around the building so getting in the venue often runs into the first bands set BUT for $50 you can skip to the front of the line. Want to sit near the main floor, you can rent a little table for another $100. By the time it's all said and done, you've dropped a couple hundred bucks and haven't even gotten through the door yet.
Ha! Few days ago I scored tickets for Anvil with no hassle and probs at 10% of the price of Oasis. Anvil might be not as famous and didn't appear in any tabloids but I feel like a winner.
@@TheHulksMistress haha! Great joke. I might make a "Anvil Lavinge" t-shirt using real Anvil font. BTW Anvil is wonderful Canadian metal band who inspired, amongst others: Metallica. Real underdogs of music industy
@@VarmilMorr awesome. I'm a big fan of 70s and 80s rock bands so I'll check them out. I've heard of them but haven't actually heard any of their tracks
Stan Collymore said it in a spot on way today on Twitter... "Ticket companies know what they are doing. The "buzz" of getting into the buy phase after 4 hrs is the same dopamine hit gamblers experience. At that stage, £150 to £400 price rise no longer is a choice, it's an impulse buy. An unethical/should be illegal business practice." HEAR HEAR
nice one Justin!!! Saw The Darkness at Hard Rock Hell in 2022, and it showed that you were trying to give your paying fans top value for money. I, like many, was sat in a queue for 3 and a half hours waiting for my turn only to be told I would be charged £355, not the advertised £148. Sure' it's legal at the moment, but hopefully it wont be for long. Of course, then they'll just jack up the base price. Think I'll just Slide Away from paying to see them in future
I've stopped going to shows because of this dynamic pricing. I'm not going to participate. Ticketmaster will put you in a queue, whip you into a buying frenzy and by the time your finished paying 400 quid for a 80 quid ticket, you come away thinking you've won a prize or something. Not for me,
It's Black Mirror territory, utterly loathsome. At a time when ordinary people are stretched more than ever, and just a decent standard of living become less and less affordable to many, we see the rich trying to squeeze the last drops of cash out of people just wanting to feel good for a couple of hours. Total disrespect to any artist who agrees to this monstrous behaviour.
I'll be seeing Cannibal Corpse, Evil Scarecrow, Goat, Sepultura and Lawnmower Deth this autumn. Five gigs in venues where you can get right up front and mosh your brains out, and buy pints for under a tenner, and get out to pub for a few after, and all for under the 'face' value of Oasis. Smaller bands, but wildly more entertaining than Oasis playing in clubs is where it's at. Not rip-off nostalgia merchants. Having said all that, if you got yourself a ticket, good for you, make the most of it!
I was willing to pay about 150 quid. This year I have seen three bands for the same amount: Future Islands, James and Travis. Three extremely accomplished bands with interesting support acts. My friend did beat the Ticketmaster queue and paid 350 pounds for a ticket for Oasis. That's more than I paid for 4 days at the Mad Cool festival in Madrid where I saw The Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, The Killers, Dua Lipa, Nothing But Thieves, Greta Van Fleet, Jessie Ware, The Warning, Michael Kiwanuka, Garbage, The Black Pumas and a whole load of other top artists. I'll continue to keep my eye on the smaller venues and also support up-and-coming bands. Stadium shows are never as good anyway. Do I still want to see Oasis live? Absolutely, but it's really more about wanting to feel 16 again than the quality of the vocals and the music.
Viva The Warning, just discovered them a few months ago, sadly after they came to a smallish venue only a year ago, but SUPER excited to see them coming in October, although at a Metal festival, they'll be doing an acoustic set for the VIP. After I discovered them, I was willing to fly to New Jersey or CA to see them in much bigger festivals, but as this show will be literally 30 minutes from my house, such a bargain to fork out that $200 for VIP only to find out after purchasing about the acoustic set :). I'm so jazzed to see them live for the first time....
People are upset and I totally understand, the website was shit and the prices were scummy. Only half of that is the bands fault (prices.) Ticketmaster has a monopoly on the live music industry, and therefore doesn’t sell tickets at competitive prices. Their entire business is selling tickets and yet they couldn’t handle a shit tonne of people trying to buy tickets when they knew how much interest there was (14 million people)
Think it's disgusting the increase put on via. Dynamic pricing. I feel a lot of people would have been comfortable and accepting of a £20-40 increase.....but to queue for 6hrs or so to find out minimum price is £350 is abhorrent. I went in queueing aware of ticket prices advertised. My budget was £150, at a push I could go for the £200 if that's all that was available. But I wasted 6hrs of my life queueing for something I knew I couldn't afford. Ticketmaster could have put in the chat updates for people queueing stating remaining tickets have now been increased. Ultimately they priced themselves alongside tout prices, which oasis had preached not to buy from secondary sites. Also big thing - 'in-demand pricing'. It was always in demand, the band said for days about 'unprecedented demand' this was no surprise. The ticket sites couldn't manage the traffic, which was inevitably expected. I saw them in 2009, golden circle at the front in wembley stadium, called Liam down from the stage, he gave me and my mates his tambourine. I dug out my ticket from then - £38.30 exc vat and other fees. I will treasure those memories.
Justin, it is so liberating to hear an arena touring musician such as yourself say "yes, the band does have a say in dynamic pricing." Thank you for telling the truth. A lot of times i mistakenly think that all of you famous people are in this fancy club that's trying to make all of us poor people poorer, but you're just a person too. I need to remember that.
@@ResevoirGod Who tf cares about the politics of anything its just music the people are going for. you'll find most musicians have opinions you disagree with, gonna boycott every single one?
Lmao TM was Dossed at 4am = BY TOUTS they lagged out the server so their multiple accounts could snap up the tickets IF YOU SEE A TOUT = THROW THEM IN THE RIVER ( then give his tickets to the kids free )
If you have to buy, buy on a credit card then if it's cancelled do a chargeback, the bank gives you the money and then chases the vendor for it. Best of all, don't reward their behaviour by giving them a single penny.
Queueing for 5hrs to get to the tickets to be told no tickets available search for a new date to be added back into the back of the queue for a new date was diabolical. Only then to get back to see the price had gone up..fucking diabolical…then when you went to buy, errored and put to the back again..absolutely fucking diabolical
Read something interesting earlier, ticket master have stated that dynamic pricing is the option of the artist and promoter, it then stated that ticket master is one of the four companies promoting the tour, you couldn't make it up.
They announced the prices a couple days before to draw more people in, to then use dynamic pricing and double the price. They also announced days before that these were the only European dates, to draw even more people internationally. They could have announced more dates to make more money, instead they doubled the prices. I was happy to pay £150, we queued for 5 hours and when we got to the tickets, they were £350. It's grim, so we decided to not buy them.
Agree with all of this. I joined the queue in a pretty reasonable place (5k) for one of the shows and was in the actual shop within maybe 35 mins or so of them going on sale and at this point they only had the inflated "in demand" / "platinum" tickets for sale. I would be fairly certain that normal priced tickets sold out within 20 mins of them going on sale. And it's just crazy that they let people queue for 10 hours of which 9 hours 30 mins of that they were only selling inflated tickets. There really should have been better communication here by the vendor and the band. I would be really interested to know what the percentage of presale tickets vs normal tickets vs inflated tickets was (I"m guessing 60 presale, 20 normal and 20 inflated) and also the percentage of normal tickets sold by Ticketmaster vs See Tickets & Gigs and Tours.
Im going to Heaton Park im not paying 300 quid TM was dossed at 4m on ticket sale day so didnt even bother loading the web page ( id seen this on the dark web a few days earlier ,aggressive non buying cloggers ) i will either 1 Beat up a Tout & redistribute his tickets to the needy ( Fellow City fans ) 2 Ill wait & wait until Oasis take the stage then tell the tout " well opening song makes your ticket half price now m8 , your cash out just went down like United getting Beat again " Ill give you 20 you can buy some of that sherbert you like so much .
I had them after about an hour, then their payment system repeatedly failed. Announcing a full world tour in one go would have been sensible or at least all the European dates to throttle demand. A whole load will go on Twickets from international sellers who eventually realise they can go local.
I don’t mind them charging whatever they want, but if I’d known tickets were £485 (to sit anywhere decent - as they were by the time I finally reached the end of the queue) I would not have bothered wasting my entire Saturday trying to get tickets. That’s what I’m most annoyed about. All that time and stress for no reason. I imagine they bank on people getting caught up in it all and paying more than they otherwise would have been happy to.
The whole ticket selling racket seems to revolve around some really sketchy practices, strikingly similar to the way gambling companies run their operations, in order to get people to part with £600 for a ticket to stand on a football / rugby pitch looking at the back of someone else's head for 2 hours. I wonder how many people who initially felt elated to have landed tickets now feel like they've just been scammed and saddled with a maxed out credit card that they will struggle just to pay the monthly interest on.
TBH the 'Stadium experience' has chased me right out of enjoying the artists who were part of my life for so many years. I've resorted to finding talented, new, hungry and passioned musicians on platforms like RUclips, then spending 'reasonable' prices to see them live, even meet them. Even flying to see some of these artists are cheaper than forking out hundreds for a show/parking, for nose bleeds where you can only see the musicians on LCD screens because they're so far away..
There are tons of talent out there who deserve your money and support. Feeding this 'system' where ticket sellers reserve the better tickets for resellers to profit only encourages them, F them!
Huge Stadium Gigs are largely awful, when I saw the Stone Roses were doing them in Wembley in 2017 I gave up on them....it's a sign that a band is just doing it for the money.
If it's more than 3k cap I'm not interested no matter how much I like the band.
Good point.
Totally. I was at a multi-venue festival in Brighton on Friday (£25 for an early bird ticket) and saw some brilliant bands in intimate venues. Chatted to other festival goers and said 'hi' to one or two of the bands. Way more fun than being treated like cattle where you can only see the artists on a screen, as you say, and the sound is inevitably terrible!
I've got nothing against larger venues in general, but I rarely go to Brighton's biggest venue (the Brighton Centre) because it's the most expensive (oh, hi again, Ticketmaster!) and yet the sound is notoriously poor.
@@barrybloye doing this over 12 years ago has lead me onto a decades long adventure of travel to cities I've never been before, meeting fans in those cities to enjoy the band together, leading to sharing videos for fans who couldn't make shows of an artist who notoriously doesn't like to promote herself, to eventually getting complete camera access to shows to edit and post videos w/ the artist's blessing. That's on top of discovering and hanging out w/ many more talented artists adjacent to the one I support primarily. It's been a true blessing. I LOVE the Beatles, but Paul no longer needs my money and there's a certain pride to helping a creative you support reach their dreams
Fiasco indeed. Spend all morning trying to get tickets and every error mentioned elsewhere occurred at some point - 5hrs later I gave in. Deleted the Ticketmaster app.
On the bright side some band called The Darkness played my hometown in Jersey.
You're also right about seeing quality bands multiple times, we had only seen you guys play at Latitude a few weeks previous.
Keep on rocking...
Why ? you already knew the touts were Dossing TM from 4 am that morning
theres only 30-40 % buying who WANT to go . rest are resellers & soon to be drowned touts - show up with no Tcket & youll get one ,id even play cash out with Touts. 1st song has started thats 30 % off right there & its goin down every second ,ill give you a fiver - after that opening song YOU set the price not that scouse C***
Yeah I got all the way through - selected tickets >>> error message. Tried on the same page for hours but it didn't work. Tried to get back through too and that failed.
Brilliantly observed Justin. Dynamic pricing is pure greed. No other way to define it.
They proudly put out an Insta post stating “Sold Out”. I thought, yes, yes you have…
Good one. They actually sold out after the first album. They claim to be working class yet write songs about champagne and send their kids to private schools and live in upper crust areas of London. I know Noel worked as a roadie (saw him with Inspiral Carpets in Glasgow) but that's not being working class and Liam likely has never worked in his life. The area they grew up in, Burnage, is actually quite nice leafy suburbia not a grotty council estate. They are a sham through and through.
I'd be embarrassed. What kind of rock'n'roll band charges that sort of money for stadium show tickets?! How much money do these pricks need exactly?
@@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293like you wouldn't do exactly the same thing if given the opportunity
Justin, In the Olden Days we queued at record shops for our tickets!
Happy Days 😊
Not paying 350 quid to stand in a field looking at a sea of phones
I wouldn't stand anywhere for £3.50 to watch those tossers
I'm not phoning 350 squids in the sea to pay for a field
Bloody phones. I absolutely HATE them.
Too much for Oasis They're boring live
F that. So rude. I was really like Noel’s. Interview is was incredible about a year talking about his gear in his studio. Wasn’t a fan of his music. But. He was super interesting told awesome stories. But f that 360 crap
I was one of the “lucky ones” to get tickets in the pre-sale, but after seeing what my friends, family and millions of others experienced attempting to get tickets in the main sale, it left a bitter taste in my mouth. My favourite band, the working-class heroes, that meant so much to me in the mid-90’s - in my formative years - now potentially fleecing those who transcended them from nothing to super-stardom made me feel very sad and depressed at the state of the music industry now. If I’d secured tickets in 1997 - at the pinnacle of their success - I’d have been feeling so overwhelmed with excitement that I’d not have come down from my high for many years, but in 2024, at the age of 43 and somewhat jaded by all that has come and gone, I don’t feel anything anywhere near what I would have then, knowing that their reformation is more about their bank balances than their desire to serve those who got them to the heights at which they now find themselves. Shame on them for allowing this and for alienating the very people who they should be rewarding for getting them to the very privileged place they find themselves in 😔
well said mate, it's a big disapointment to see the band allowing this to happen
Hubris and Karma...and it started earlier than it could have been foresaw...
They must have realized somehow that there petty squabbling with each other all these years has cost them millions of dollars so there trying to make up for it before they get any older. I hope they at least still sound good, I really love the music they made in the nineties to this day
But you still bought the tickets....revealed preference, right there.
@@Carroty_Peg ... He said he got his in the pre-sale, so at the cheapest price and would not have been aware of the dynamic pricing aspect nor later prices ... so now he is merely looking back in sadness, but don't look back in anger ...
I saw you guys this year at Warwick Castle with a friend. A beautiful venue, an amazing support act (Southern River Band) and you guys were incredible. Easily the best £40 I’ve ever spent. By far one of the best gigs I’ve been to surrounded by lovely folk. I’d take a gig like that over a stadium every night of the week❤
I saw The Darkness in Boston last October, I forget what I paid, the ticket wasn't much, and the VIP was like another $150 or whatever. I definetely got my money's worth! You, Justin, and the whole band were awesome when I got to meet you! You answered everyon's questions, hung out with us for bit, we got to go up on the stage and check out all your gear, and I ended up in the best front row center spot right in front! What a blast! I wish you did two Boston gigs back to back because I would have been at both of them!
I saw The Darkness 2 yrs ago for $150 Australian. This included the VIP experience, meet the band/Q&A, AND I got to sing One Way Ticket onstage with them in the sound check! BEST DAY OF MY LIFE FOR $150!🤘
I just wanted tell you that the world is blessed to have you and you have brought me so much joy and miles of smiles since 2003 and beyond. The music and personality of The Darkness has made my already awesome life even better!! So… thank you from the bottom of my heart. KEEP MAKING MUSIC!!! We need it!!!
“She's expensive
She's in a family full of eccentrics
She's done things I never expected
And I need more cash”
😆Well done!
😂😂😂😂 Ha ha bloody excellent!
"And I want you to know
It's dynamic pricing
But we neeeeed more cash!
I don't want you to say
That you can't afford it
We're Oasis
So just get a loan
Get on that phone
There's lots of choice so please don't moan
She is expensive
Can I be expensive too!!!
She is extortion
We're making a fortune too!!"
@@EmmaPeacock-cc9flyou're easily pleased 😂
She's got a cousin, in fact she's got bout' a dozen... and she's got one in the oven, but it's nothing to do with me!
Queen + Adam Lambert didn't opt out of dynamic pricing either. The average price for tickets in Atlanta for last tour was $600! The Cure, on the other hand, told Ticketmaster to piss off, and not only did we get tickets in the same venue for under $50, their merch was really inexpensive too (concert shirts were $25). They sold out two nights. Bands can do it if they want to.
Paul Heaton from The Beautiful South asks £35 a ticket. Reckons he can make a 5 to 6 figure sum after all bills are paid.
If somebody wants to see that version of Queen, they deserve to be fleeced.
@@DreynoI paid £75 for Queen + AL in Manchester floor standing and it was fucking amazing, never mind your trite nonsense
@@jonnywishbone4805 “Trite nonsense”? 😂
It’s a bad tribute act and John Deacon is right to have nowt to do with it.
@@Dreyno John has retired and you’ve never been to a show I strongly suspect. Yes you are trite, your words suggest nothing but a ghoulish NPC with options garnered from some crap you read online
The phrase "You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villan." comes to mind with this whole Oasis thing. It was great at the time, but it's just nostaligia fueling everyone. things have changed and the experience won't be what it was like 'back in the day'.
Thats 100 % spot on , i liked the cheesy marshall amps & the made up drum kit & the knackered old piano from that Junk shop - Now its gonna be effects units not pedals & every amp will be factory identical . The non polished stuff is what made them gigs epic . 140 quid to watch on a screen = may as well get a West Ham season Ticket !
The “experience” will be awful. It’ll be a load of bellends, trying to be Liam from the 90s, drunk and high, being twats. I’d love to see Oasis, loved them the first time round… but have no interest paying over priced fees to stand in the middle of that atmosphere…
Good one
It was like in 2009 when I saw them in Manchester. It'll be even worse now and I certainly didn't pay hundreds for the privilege. I think it was about £60 max. @@Chriswatney
nothing ever is like it was before, what would be the point??
Yes it was £34 to see The Darkness in a 3000 capacity venue in December 2023
And after we all got a bollocking for using our phones - it was one of the best gig I’ve been to.
Respect & Thanks to you guys and artists like Nile Rodgers, Extreme, Living Colour etc that play loads of concerts for affordable prices.
£34 to see a bunch of good musicians who can actually play makes £150 to see Oasis seem like a very poor deal indeed.
I wouldn't pay 30p to see the darkness. 😅😂🤣
@@ianwhitehead691 And you don't have to either. That's the beauty of free choice (I've never paid to see them either). But if forced to choose between them and a bunch of lads who just play various versions of "All The Young Dudes" all night then it would be an easy choice.
@@ianwhitehead691 Why bring energy prices into it ?
I've seen the Darkness 2 years ago, same price, the best gig ever for me. They're amazing, even better live! People don't know what they're missing
It's both refreshing and inspiring to see an artist speak out about this horrendous exploitation of the Oasis fan base - particularly someone who is in a working band and actively navigating their own existing live market (i.e. summer festivals and smaller headlining shows). I paid just $90 (AUD) to see The Darkness 18 months ago (or so) in a 3,000 seat Australian venue, and they delivered such a high-energy set full of genuine character and talent that I not only felt thoroughly entertained but completely justified more broadly in being a fan. Ultimately I believe the band were undercharging for the performance they gave, but I'd argue that every single person in that audience went home doubly committed to buying the next 'The Darkness' album and seeing their next tour. That's how you treat your fanbase, and that's how you earn their ongoing respect. By contrast, with this ticketing scam, the Gallagher brothers have done the exact and complete opposite to their fans (the very same fans who have supported both of them in their respective solo careers). It's appalling.
Robert Smith of the cure has got quite tough with ticket agents
How so?
@@nattartz6841There you go….. He’s a good one for sure! To be fair - £300 odd for a gig is just ridiculous and totally unnecessary. Oasis knew the demand would be high so maybe add more dates, I mean, it’s not that complicated! Announcing they’ll not play Glastonbury was strategic - Glastonbury might not even want them but it’s done to say - be here now or don’t be here at all! I’m not totally convinced Oasis’s heart is even completely in it and the shows might not even be that great. Who knows but for die hard Oasis fans - it’s not the best start of a reunion. Blur had it right and released a new album! Played Wembley, made a DVD of it and everyone was happy days! 1-0 to Blur!
@@nattartz6841 he got Ticketmaster to lower prices and offer partial refunds to concert goers during The Cures 2023 concert.
I believe the last tour they did, he had ticketmaster refund 5-10 dollars max because of the BS fees.
@@nattartz6841 he said no to the dynamic ticket pricing during the run of cure shows over here last year (Hollywood Bowl) - because, again.. it's at the artist's discretion. (dynamic pricing).. he posted on twitter and said as much, and was very honest about how it all worked. he then took ticketmaster to task after they tried to tack on those 'fees' they love so much, because some fees became more than the actual tickets themselves. in the end - tickets were fairly priced and could only be resold fan to fan (using ticketmaster) so it IS possible for this to play out in a better way than most fan's experience from the Oasis ticket sale. dynamic pricing is ridiculous.. it doesn't matter what the 'demand' is or what the cost of doing business is nowadays, if a band claim they can't turn a genuine profit at STADIUM shows with tickets at 150 quid, they're lying.
Thank you Justin for your refreshing honesty. I wasted a whole day with this ticket fiasco for Oasis. Never again!
i'll wait for the live dvd...coupla quid in a charity shop!
@@lennymccartney1 that much?!!
Or. car boot..
Just coz Oasis are from the 90's doesn't mean it'll be on DVD 😂
And probably the same quality as the Cream reunion at RAH, Lol.
I expect some fan posted videos will make me happy I didn’t go as has been the case with other bands that lost their vibe long ago.
Love the way you articulate things Justin 💜
I've been a fan of the original line up since I saw them on TOTP in 1995 playing Don't look back in Anger, I was only 11 and from that point onwards I was learning guitar to them.
That moment had a huge impact on me as a guitar player, great songs I could actually play without having to be as good as poeple like Eddie Van Halen, and Noels lead style is still ingrained into how I play now.
I was too young to see them back with the original line up and after they changed with Standing on the Shoulders of Giants, I lost interest in that band and didn't see them live.
When the reunion was announced and Bonehead was confirmed to be joining them and rumours of Alan White, I thought this was as close as I'm gonna get to see the Oasis I loved.
I listened to them days before the tickets were on sale, and was watching the Maine Road show (which I must of watched hundres of times on my original VHS in the 90s) right up until the tickets went on sale.
I was on the pages for every Wembley Show the night before, logged in and had my card saved on Ticketmaster ready to grab just one ticket for one of the shows.
I'd never usually spend £150 on a gig, but his time I thought it was worth it.
Just before 9am, every webpage I had open crashed. When I finally got a screen saying join the queue, I did but that said something has gone wrong and I had to refresh; which I'm pretty sure pushed me further back in the queue.
Eventually I got a place with over 100,000 people in front of me on three of the gigs, so I just left it to see what happened not expecting to be able to get any tickets when I got to the front of the queue, or there to only be VIP packages left.
About 2pm onwards the queue was at about 26,000 and falling pretty quick, I assumed people were just giving up, but when I got to the front of the queue I soon realised why the queue was dieing so quickly.
When I got in, I was shocked to see standing ticket still going and decided to get one, until I was presented with "In Demand" price of £358 before the booking fee.
For a moment I considered it but quickly came to my sences and left the site disspointed and rather bitter about the whole experience.
If the tickets had all sold at the advertised price I would of just felt gutted at missing out and hoping to get some at a reasonable re-sale price or waited for more show to be announced, but the reality was that I was pissed off that they allowed Ticketmaster to more than double the price of these tickets.
After 30 years of being a fan I won't bother listening to them anymore, playing their songs on guitar and certainly won't bother trying to get anymore tickets, it's left a very sour taste in my preverbial mouth.
This was not a reunion for the fans, it was shameless cash grab by people who already have enough as it is!
I brought tickets for Ginger Wildheart instead, far more talented songwriter and doesn't price his fans out of gigs.
Screw Oasis, just lost a fan of almost 30 years!
Noel's guitar style is a very low bar. I outgrew their style by the time I was 14. I wanted to improve, not be stuck in mediocrity.
You're not the only one mate. Oasis can shove it. Liam is the worst live singer and biggest asshole in Rock history.
@@Molotov_Milkshake Low bar or not he's made a lot of money from it and responsible to getting a whole generation to pick up and learn guitar, regardless of whether those players did or did not move on. And I also moved on to new bands, styles and techniques because Noel's playing is limited and he admits it himself and does not like playing lead guitar, but what I first learnt is still a part of my playing style, and I don't have a problem with that. Your comment comes off rather patronising.
Don’t look back in anger
@@Molotov_Milkshake Agreed, he's not much of a guitar player, but one hell of a good song writer.
I found an old ticket stub.
£19 plus booking fee
1997 Earls Court supported by the Verve.
I was 17.
Great days ✌🏾
Yeah, but 19 quid then was a lot more than ... Its actually £43.5 pounds in 2024 money... Still good I know
Mad in it?…£7:50 I saw them jan 95 boro town hall
Then the download culture began and all artists lost most of their main revenue...and could only make money via live gigs.
Great gig that was ❤
Tickets 25 years ago were cheaper? :O
It would have been nice if Oasis had looked after their fans like The Cure did with their last tour. Robert Smith stood up to ticket master.
Oasis looking after their fans?
There is millions of people wanting to see them. There is only so much space. Are they suppose to play 500 events to bring the price down?
@@Art-is-craft They're not playing extra shows now, so the only difference between what is happening now and playing 500 shows is the fans getting stiffed.
Oasis are the face of corporate pop music
@@skabuoy They will keep adding dates until they`re not selling out the venues anymore and eventually the ticket prices will start dropping back to the original prices....They will let it run until they`ve squeezed every last penny out of mug punters like you.
@@skabuoy
No body is getting stiffed. The price is based upon the number of available tickets.
The great reunion of brothers, putting aside thier differences and coming together again to make a shit tonne of money from people who helped make them what they are! Now thats gratitude!
Well said..
Paul Heaton would AV bought u a pint 😮😮
its not like noel didnt say that many times almost word by word, it us that didnt care
Promoters decide the pricing, not the band.
@@T0FFIIdon't be naive. Read the fine print. (The way Justin did in this video)
I love how my mind automatically adds the guitar to your Acapella intro and outro.
And there’s Billy Joel saving the seats for genuine fans right at the front at his gigs, and those with cheap seats gets pulled to the front. I think that’s Class.
Love the "Steptoe and Son" musical inserts 😂❤
Dynamic or In Demand pricing is definitely scummy behaviour. The people in the queue had no clue that they were queuing for something they couldn't afford. It appears that the website created the 'Demand' by keeping people in a ridiculously sized queue. Using the number of people in the queue to implement dynamic pricing. If they put up a box on the queue screen showing the current "Dynamic" price it is inevitable that the demand would nosedive when the fans see just how much they would need to pay.
Seems incredibly unfair to me but that's just my opinion.
Yes. I imagine most people logged in at 9am. That means ticketmaster knew what the demand was at that point. Odd that they didn't immediately start with high price tickets..... or maybe they did? I had a crack at getting a couple, but never got through the queue.
I actually got in with 4 tickets ready to purchase at regular price. Hit the payment button and it would not process after multiple times clicking it. Then a fatal error forced me to refresh the page and re-enter the queue from scratch I just turned my computer off. I’ve seen them twice before so not heartbroken.
It's price gouging yeah, it's gross.
I don't think anything should be put on the band for this. It's not their doing. It would go a long way to insist though that TM refund the difference for the morally corrupt way they inflated prices, especially as touting will be legislated for. I hope this brings a big change in the system. It's been an awful experience for many and sucjed the joy out of such a great thing to be happening. A ballot would have been better. Submit your request for tickets and venue and see if you win. It's fair and not dependant on the failing technology that has ruined people's plans and dreams to see the band. I tried and failed miserably. I'm not sour at it. I can accept not going. I feel for those who got through the process and were canceled by failed systems and also agree by those who have so much say in love music vending.
We need positive change, hopefully this makes it happen. Take a stand Oasis, it'll be appreciated. Pioneers once again is at their grasp!
It's a mafioso technique. Acquire product; rinse the demand as much as you can. I'm sad about it. I'm not a fan of Oasis but I have lost respect for Ticketmaster and this.
Your philosophy on that fans get the best show they can for a reasonable price is so good. Plus, the statement that the focus of the vision for artists should be to get on stage and play in this life. So good.
My heart breaks for today’s generation. I’m lucky enough to have a 25+ year history of gigging behind me. I remember the days of paying £18 for an arena show. I have a ticket stub for The Darkness where it cost me £12.50 to go see them back in ‘03. I’ve been fortunate enough to see all but 1 or 2 of the bands I love, past or present. And all of that is when it was reasonably priced. Ideally I’d have been born in the early 60’s so I’d have been old enough to see EVERYONE, but thank God I still managed to get in whilst I could and have a whole lifetime of great gig memories. Today’s kids are paying over £100 for some gigs, they’re paying over £300 for a festival. They have queues to enter queues and Dynamic Pricing and Touts using bots to scoop up every ticket to put them up for re-sale at 3 times the price. Today’s gigging and touring experience is miserable and it hurts because I want the kids to have the same great times I did.
A bit melodramatic that, sir! There's a million things more important in life than watching people live who care for you zero / see you as a pay cheque. If it's not sustainable, things will change. If bands only want to play before ugly rich folk, so be it. Probably not the kind of band you should be wanting to see. If Oasis' Reunion tour brings down capitalism, that will be good for the world.
@@NeilMalthusOasis ticket sales bringing down capitalism…that’s melodrama 😂
*Yawn* No one cares about the great times you think you had
I’m here for those swimming trunks Justin!! Don’t be shy 😝 the Raven at the end caught me off guard too 😂
In fairness, I love Oasis, I used to be obsessed with them. Bought everything I could get my hands on as a teenager, watched every documentary, bought them round sunglasses and adopted the look and the gestures and the overall attitude.
I saw them live as a band just once in 2009, and Liam solo 3 times within the last 6 years.
But the whole ticket farce, dynamic pricing, the costs of flights and hotels... sheeesh!
I've had enough. I f**king have.
I feel the same mate it was a disaster on Saturday morning I pretty much wasted a morning I saw them in 2009 before they split and I don't think I can be bothered if they add more dates
Same as you apart from the Hair :P
I saw em years ago & i have to be honest the song that drove me was the Beatles Walrus that was epic live. I was on the dark web last week tracking a touts / scammers page - they were paying pennies for every page refresh ( they hired Indian scammers to clog the phone lines for a few Rupees ) none of these will Buy - that gives the Touts the access to use Multiple accounts to buy tickets. Its well known that TM has a click/buy ratio of 1in 5 = very odd . How many times have you queued for say an FA Cup Ticket or gig ticket back in the day & someone go to the front & said actually ive changed my mind ? TM want drowning as do Touts
Same here mate. The first two albums were the soundtrack to my childhood. I was a little too young to see them in their hayday so I was looking forward to this. Just shows it wasn't for the art or the fans, but purely for the money.
@@frasermalcolm2645 be cheaper and you won't have about a thousand phones in front of your face watching them
Fans paying for Parkers divorce..must hate their fans..greedy and arrogant..hope it goes tits up
I saw you in Jersey last night. Absolutely brilliant performance. The Darkness were the most entertaining band of the weekend. Thank you for a great show. Texas were also bloody good, for the record.
I saw you too. Terrible shirt you had on.
Some might pay
Oh Justin, always a gent. Love hearing your thoughts on this. Your fans really have the best in you, a diamond. Thank you.
I think you're spot on that this reeks of a one time thing. I far prefer the ethic / work ethic of a band which, as you say, and as you do, treats high demand as something you put extra dates on to satisfy, rather than something that just enables you to charge everyone multiples of a fair ticket price rather than putting in the extra work of more gigs. That starkly illustrated it for me.
It's mind bending. You could literally be stood next to someone at the gig that has paid half/double/treble etc the price you paid!? For the same ticket!! How is that not profiteering? Also, were they not initially expecting it to be popular?? The world and his wife knew how crazy it was going to be to try and get a prized ticket. How was 'dynamic pricing' even even involved?? It's not a shock to anyone that this event went off the chain!🤯🤯
The great rock 'n roll swindle 😂
The only notes that really count are the ones that come in wads! At least the Pistols were honest with Thier comeback filthy Lucra tour.
Yeah, especially if that 'No refunds if cancelled' part is true! Surely, not! They must have meant if you cancel the Tix yourself if you can't attend?
There’s no victims, there’s only volunteers.
'The filthy lucre'
'ever get the feeling you been cheated' Johnny Rotten
Justin as a yarmouth lad we used to wait outside prism leisure and buy our tickets. That was with you guys as well.
Nowadays “gotta mortgage my house because Ticketmaster needs more money”
Paying all that money to look through a sea of phone screens 😂
True. Many people are not enjoying the moment anymore. They are just watching the gigs on the phones
100%. I went to a Tool concert recently and they have a strict no phones policy. So much better!
LOL,ain't it
Cope
I think it’s okay to take 20-30 second videos of a song or two you like and then just enjoy the rest of it! I try to take as few videos as possible but still take some so that I can revisit those memories!
Definitely need more of Rufus in your videos. You make a great comedy duo.
Great overview. Seeing people saying they queued for over 6 hours to get to the front, get tickets in their cart only to then be thrown out and accused of being a bot is unbelievable as all I have seen since then is giveaway companies offering their lottery tickets to win not 1 but 2 tickets to every gig, so they must have been using a bot.... now other reselling sites selling tickets for over £5K, make it make sense!
Don’t really fancy contributing to Noels £25 mil divorce settlement
The Cure handled their ticket sales last time around very well. Very high demand for their shows and they didn’t do dynamic pricing. Wasn’t a perfect situation but much better for fans than the dynamic pricing situation.
and we had to wait 25yrs for The Cure to come back to the UK for a tour..~Cardiff
The Cure proved (via a very public negotiation with Ticketmaster) that an artist CAN advocate for their fans but most choose not to. Oasis did a noble thing by setting a standard ticket price however it appears part of the “deal” was allowing Ticketmaster to sell x-amount of dynamic tickets which you can choose to not buy. Ticketmaster has always been crooks. They’re going to get their money one way or another.
@@ColinP-yo2mzCompletely agree Colin. I got through by 10.30am and even then I was blocked from buying £150 tickets. I’d love to see the % of tickets sold as hospitality or “in demand”, it felt as though it’s more than half the tickets. The Gallaghers were in full agreement to the pricing structure, and the hiding of “in demand pricing” until fans were checking out. Disgraceful all round.
Nonsense. Oasis get a cut from dynamic tickets. Don't kid yourself
@@jeperstone Spot on. Of course they do! Artists are given the choice about whether to include dynamic pricing, and Ticketmaster have confirmed it was Oasis’ decision to do it. Nobody makes that decision without taking a big cut of the profits
Don’t think people know just how much of a stranglehold on live gigs
They own over 400 venues in the world have 70% odd exclusivity with venues to sell tickets
They own live nation
"Oasis Ticket Fiasco Trilogy" was the name of a Frank Zappa album boxset !
Love this
Perfect 👌
The Burnage Enema Bandits!
Forget everything I’ve just watched, the outro deserves the like and comment (social currency)
Holy crap the Darkness and Texas playing! Amazing… I’d prefer to see that to oasis, genuinely. Nice guest appearance by Rufus at the start there! 😊
And the end if you stay tuned.
He meant texas the place 🙄
@@jordizee he put up a photo of him and Sharleen Spiteri, lead singer of the band Texas, when he mentioned Texas 🙄
The Oasis situation has opened my eyes honestly. I have made the decision that i am never paying for a ticet if there is dynamic pricing. And im not even baming ticetmaster. I blame the band. And if that means im never going to a big band for the rest of my life. Then so be it.
Oh. I would share the blame with Ticketmaster. They've never been anything but a deeply corrupt, mercenary and vile company. They've thought up yet another way to be so, probably giving the artist some incentive to go for 'dynamic' aka greedy bastard pricing.
@@littleblackpistol Yeah I'd say that the profit from dynamic pricing doesn't solely go to the artist ... :)
I'm with you. Unfortunately it won't make a blind bit of difference unless everybody is. See you at the bar of a small gig where the band still love it.
Ticketmaster have a monopoly and know people will pay the price they set and can get away with dynamic pricing. It’s a fucking scam and it’s the way the worlds going as we become a more digital society
Nah the ticketmaster infrastructure is a con and they have a monopoly so they get away with it. They just made a kings ransom from being a crap website which doesn’t work.
Everything you said Justin sums it all up. I have seen this approach from Noel to make more money for less effort. When he started his solo career, he would play two nights at a venue in Toronto, prices would peak at around CAD$100 and played for over an hour and a half. Last tour, he was playing one night at a venue with 16,000 people, Garbage was also headlining, and ticket prices had doubled, and they each played for about an hour.
Do you have ANY IDEA that fuel in the UK costs 400 % more now than then ?
Thats just fuel - food 125 % . While wages went up 5-7 %
Wembley costs about 2 million a day to rent .Policing on top of that will be higher to deal with parking & ticket scammers & touts ARE GONNA be targeted .Face value or you are goin swimmin m8
I love Justin Hawkins! Don’t let the bells end for Number 1 this year 🎉🎉🎉
Justin, me and my daughter saw you in Cardiff. Darkness is one of the best bands i`ve seen live, your handstand leg clapping was indeed the highlight. my daughter got an Oasis ticket, she got in on priority through a freind. one of the fortunate ones..
Prawn Sandwich Brigade is a great name for a band
I was going to see them but prawn sandwich brigade tickets were just too much 😂
The thousand island tour
Surprise Roy Keane reference
Pet shop boys
Public service broadcasting
Prawn sandwich brigade ..
I am, in very certain terms thrilled and proud (although I have no right to be) that you spurn dynamic pricing. I am exactly the demographic you describe and try and see The Darkness 3 or 4 times a tour or season, now with a man child in tow. I even bought VIP tickets but didn't use them as such - because standing was sold out. It seemed like a fair exchange for your tireless hard work and my unadulterated joy. Said child always wants merch too so more power to your elbow.
Good on you Justin!! I was lucky enough to see the band in 1996. I don’t need to see them a second time. You may find if you pay too much to get tickets that you might be underwhelmed. But only you can judge! ❤❤
They probably priced there loyal fans out of seeing them now and replaced them with people who will probably be watching there TikTok video's whilst the show is going on
Nice touch with the Steptoe and Son jingle!
The tickets thing always makes me proud to be a fan of hardcore and metal. You can see your favourite band potentially for often no more than say 30 quid! Once saw Obituary so close up that I had to duck when the singer would lean out over the crowd. My partner could see up his shirt!
I’m obsessed with Oasis but really disappointed they didn’t take a stance on this. Pleased for genuine oasis fans who got tickets, gutted I queued for 6 hours to find tickets had gone up to an unaffordable £355 😩
Me too, I’ve seen them ten times and I’m totally disappointed in them, Noel always said they were a working class band - that’s a joke. How do they sleep at night knowing they’ve done this to their fans.
Other people ARE willing to pay that and you aren't, they deserve to go and not you.
Because they're in on it.
@@NelsonMandela961 sorry but your comment makes no sense.
@@NelsonMandela961 you shouldnt correlate someone's financial position with their worthiness of being there.
I'm surprised by the surprise: did anyone really think for a moment that this reunion wasn't just about money?
no coincidence it comes after a divorce is it.
@@jebusgodI bet the brothers still can't stand to be around each other. They'll be grinding their teeth for the entire tour 😂
Exactly!
Imagine your right .also beat when they do there old rivals Blur came back they where rubbing peoples hands knowing they could fleece there fans
Very disappointed with them. It's up to the artist whether or not to implement dynamic pricing. Queues are inevitable and Ticketmasters problem but the price is all Oasis's doing. I was struggling to justify paying 170 for a ticket but seeing over 450 for a standing ticket. I pulled out of the qeuet. Having a person who paid 170 standing right next to a person who paid nearly 500!! Makes no sense. I think the government here in Ireland will step in again like when they banned secondary sites
Don’t panic. The FOMO will die off a few shows into the tour and people’s plans always change. I predict that many who paid 450 for their tickets because they over bought or have a wedding to attend will be trying to sell for whatever they can get on the likes of marketplace a few days before the show. Good luck
Having a person who paid 170 standing right next to a person who paid nearly 500!! Makes no sense. Exactly that sooo contradicts itself!
Like the General Election-Reform UK got more votes than the Lib Dems but they got more seats 🤷🏻♂
I was here for you Just and Rufus guest appearances beats the mad fur it brothers any day of the week 😂
Thank you Justin. Wise words. This greed is killing off not only the music industry but most industries and governments.
100% spot on. Just price the tickets respectfully and if they all sell out, add more shows. Imagine a band that's able to keep adding more and more dates at Wembley - all without rinsing fans - they'd be absolute legends.
Bought 2 for £920 when you include the insurance (seemed sensible (the insurance that is)). I'm 27, this isn't just a ticket to a live event, it's a ticket to time travel. I've only ever been able to experience those 90's gigs through a screen and for the first and likely only time I'll get to actually live it. My initial reaction: WORTH IT.
Having said that, the more videos like this that I see (very fair analysis of the situation), the more I do have a bit of a sour taste about it. I know people who made it through the queue but couldn't afford the inflated prices once they arrived at the checkout and now won't be attending. For a working class 'band of the people', that's piss poor.
You're still not going to have a real 90's experience.. it's 2024
@@paulie6446 Thanks for that insight Paul... I'll not bother then, you can have my tickets for free if you want!
@@matt-lo8ut 😫NOOOOOOO!
@@paulie6446 You're really playing the role of 'overly cynical middle aged bloke' extremely well.
@@matt-lo8utWhen you get to middle age you’ll realise the cynicism is real.
I’m so glad I was alive and allowed, as a kid, to go to concerts… I saw so many acts… I could pay for the tickets w my part time jobs whilst in high school and college… and even afterwards for a decade or so… but I stopped buying tickets once I couldn’t afford the tickets… a lot of the bands I enjoyed… were charging hundreds for nosebleed seats… forget about it. But King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard tickets were 56 bucks.. general admission… small venues… so glad… seeing them before they blow up…
Happy to see your posts about oasis. Sad to read that all the shows are in UK and nothing scheduled for usa yet. But maybe next time.
@justin i got the cromer train at 7:15 am logged on at 9am stayed in the queue looked now and again between walking along cliffs with my dog and finally got 2 tickets .. :) keep on keeping on ❤
I managed to get in early on Saturday and had 2 tickets at £150.00 a piece for standing, I proceeded to get to the payment page and soon as a I clicked payment the error message came up forcing non payment and pushing me out of the site. Once this happens you end up in a queue of half a million and with no prospect of success. Twelve hours later I got in and found the same tickets for £358.00 and added them but the site wouldn't let me buy them at all. To be honest the last attempt was an exercise in seeing if I could actually buy the bloody things because I wasn't actually going to pay that price.
What a mess. I'd go spend the money you were going to spend on something a bit more valuable than a pair of greedy grifters (my opinion of them has plummeted due to their greed).
The same thing happened to me! Incredibly frustrating.
Same as me and this part is unforgivable. Websites need to test for volumes but bringing the spec up for such huge numbers is hard to achieve. However, the payment functionality is behind the queue which should be throttled to a level that the payment systems don’t fall over. Ticketmaster ignore all complaints and fail to answer the issue you raise.
You are so right, I would rather see the darkness ♥️♥️♥️😀🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
The whole thing has been a nightmare for most fans!
I knew how difficult it would be to get tickets on Saturday morning so had emailed the venue I wanted to attend last Tuesday when the dates were announced and asked to be added to their ‘hospitality list’.
The venue emailed me their hospitality options so I knew in advance what each ‘tier’ got you and how much it was. The Hospitality Dept then email you as soon as the hospitality tickets go live, with a link to purchase any of the packages. You still need to be quick - and these did sell out in a couple of hours, but it was much less stressful than dealing with Ticketmaster!!!
The prices varied from £340 - £650ish a ticket - which i totally understand is a lot of money! However, the ‘cheapest’ hospitality ticket (£340) includes a pitch standing ticket, a free bar for 3 hours before the show, buffet food before and after, a DJ set and access to the lounge after the show for a couple of drinks while the stadium empties etc. So I ended up buying these.
To now find out that I paid less for my package than some people ended up paying for a standard pitch standing ticket due to ‘dynamic pricing’ is disgusting!
" a free bar for 3 hours before the show." You'll get your £340 back in free drinks then easy. You might not see the show but hey, you can tell people you were there.
found my Verve ticket for Haigh Hall the other day in a drawer, 1998 (if correctly remembered), £21, and for that you also got Beck, Jon Martin and also wasn't DJ Shadow there, I can't member, was so long ago. I tried for tickets to Foals a while back but associated costs meant I just sat at home and chucked on Spotify. I member going to see bands for £8 on a weeknight ....ive given up on Festivals and big events like this, getting tickets is LOOOOONG, and the associated costs now mean its only rich folks who can go to these things. I aint bitter, I had my fun.... good luck kids!
Justin you nailed it when you said “or play as little as possible and charge as much as possible for as little work as possible” …or close that statement. If you’re a musician wouldn’t you want to play as much as possible…OASIS is not a bar band though are they, so, they’re going to command whatever they can and they’re going to rake it in. I’m guessing I’ll have to skip it as I’m just too logical about costs but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t do the same if I was in their position!
Hey Justin, it would also be great if you talked about Massive Attack's latest concert Act 2.5 which was the most environmentally friendly concert in history. I'm sure it would a great topic for a video. Jersey looks amazing!
Woke off ya 🤡
@@gol4695 Have a lovely day sir
@@gol4695 You're so "anti-woke" that you're missing the point that it is such a special and iconic group like massive attack
@@IrishDeepDives I probably will do
Thank you
Hope you enjoy yours
Politicians need to step in here. Ticketmaster has come way too close to a monopoly and live music is an integral part of our human culture. When one company owns the ticket sale AND the venues this is not a free market anymore.
You can't stop the master of all tickets
The U.S. Justice Department sued Ticketmaster earlier this year but lord did it take them forever. This isn’t a new problem. Artists like Pearl Jam and Metallica testified at congressional hearings back in the 90s. Most politicians don’t care and if change happens it’s slow. And they weren’t sued for price gouging, they were sued being a monopoly.
They have. The U.S. Justice Department sued Ticketmaster earlier this year. I don’t know if anything has come of it yet.
If the goverment gets involved Oasis will be able to make as much profit as possible but they will be canceled and put in jail! It’s illeagal to on purpose offend people UK!!
They are being investigated in the usa and even here they are going for dynamic pricing
A band who fame themselves in not giving a monkeys about the thoughts and opinions of anyone are unlikely to express too much remorse over the dynamic pricing fiasco. Also I think most people were more out out by the way that ticketmaster's handled the volume of traffic. The queues were ridiculous. Having your session terminated seemingly randomly. Being accused of being a bot. No information about which dates had tickets left and where in the venue. Not being able to pay. Errors appearing at checkout. I'm not surprised people are furious. I had a similar experience with ticketmaster for your motorheart tour where I was a used of being a bot and then the tickets sold out for your London gig in 5 minutes before I could plead my innocence. (luckily my better half was able to get us two tickets without ticketmaster ruining things). Keep riding hard and well Justin x
Going to see Fu Manchu in Manchester next month, yeah they're not Oasis but still absolutely rock and still going after around 40 years, £27.50 a ticket. Well happy with that. Give me a gig under a closed roof in a smaller venue over over-inflated cash cow outdoor show any day of the week.
For a 'working class' band, maybe some maths is in order. The UK living wage is £12 per hour. At 150 quid per ticket, that's 12.5 hours work, at £360, it's 30 hours - plus booking fees and travel costs on top. They really have become the prawn sandwich brigade.
Who days they are a working class band. I remember an interview with Liam who wouldn't shut up about how Prada was the best thing since sliced bread.
@@formulaic78 Ha! What I mean, is they still trade on their origins when it suits them. I've definitely seen Liam refer to himself as 'working class hero', before now.... I'm not sure that can really be accurate when the band are deliberately pricing gigs so the working classes can't afford tickets.
@@ZuzuTheLemonyeah I'm sure you're right. I don't watch many interviews with them but that one stuck in my mind. Bit like seeing Micah Richards telling Gary Lineker and Alan Shearer that he was wearing such and such suit, which they all understood. I'd never heard of the designer so went and looked him up and it was like 5,000 quid for a jacket. Working class heroes indeed!
Interesting you mention Heaton - was listening to an interview with him a few years back and was chatting about how £30 is still a lot of money for plenty of people, and that he was thankful to be in the position not to chase high ticket prices. Glad to see he's standing by it. No doubt there's an argument for undervaluing one's services, but hoofing people out of the queue and re-charging them hundreds of pounds extra for the privilege is just a piss take and contempt for fans - Oasis can get in the sea.
Heaton said, that despite his tickets being £35 for his upcoming tour, he will be making a very healthy amount of money.
Paul Heaton has values and principles, hasn't lost touch with his roots, unlike the pair of scallies who have no respect for those who made them what they are.
Paul Heaton is a legend. Interested in delivering music to fans rather than fleecing them. A man of principle
It's more of an indictment of Ticketmaster than the band in my opinion. Here in the US, Ticketmaster has to publish the price of tickets that include all of the fees. I think that it was out in place after the whole Taylor Swift thing. The problem is that Ticketmaster or the "service" that is selling the tickets own the venues making the service fees redundant. It used to be that if you wanted to see a show, doors open at 8pm for example. Well, you can show up but they have a line around the building so getting in the venue often runs into the first bands set BUT for $50 you can skip to the front of the line. Want to sit near the main floor, you can rent a little table for another $100. By the time it's all said and done, you've dropped a couple hundred bucks and haven't even gotten through the door yet.
Ha! Few days ago I scored tickets for Anvil with no hassle and probs at 10% of the price of Oasis. Anvil might be not as famous and didn't appear in any tabloids but I feel like a winner.
Anvil Lavigne? Of Scooter Boy fame?
@@TheHulksMistress haha! Great joke. I might make a "Anvil Lavinge" t-shirt using real Anvil font.
BTW Anvil is wonderful Canadian metal band who inspired, amongst others: Metallica. Real underdogs of music industy
Wow didn't think they were still around. They go way back. They were the inspiration for many heavy metal bands Metallica included. You scored bigly.
Anvil was one of the very first bands I saw live, back in 1983 😊
@@VarmilMorr awesome. I'm a big fan of 70s and 80s rock bands so I'll check them out. I've heard of them but haven't actually heard any of their tracks
Stan Collymore said it in a spot on way today on Twitter...
"Ticket companies know what they are doing. The "buzz" of getting into the buy phase after 4 hrs is the same dopamine hit gamblers experience.
At that stage, £150 to £400 price rise no longer is a choice, it's an impulse buy.
An unethical/should be illegal business practice."
HEAR HEAR
Spot on mate!
Haha "illegal". They can charge what they want, you don't have to buy it
said stan the dogger
nice one Justin!!!
Saw The Darkness at Hard Rock Hell in 2022, and it showed that you were trying to give your paying fans top value for money.
I, like many, was sat in a queue for 3 and a half hours waiting for my turn only to be told I would be charged £355, not the advertised £148.
Sure' it's legal at the moment, but hopefully it wont be for long. Of course, then they'll just jack up the base price.
Think I'll just Slide Away from paying to see them in future
I didn't have a problem getting an Oasis ticket because I didn't want one!
Ok...congrats?
Some may question why you’re here…
@@MattDaley-k6s Some people are just curious about fans getting shafted trying to get tickets to see a Beatles cover band.
Did you think this was a funny or clever comment? Special needs or just a complete bore?
@@MattDaley-k6sHe's here for Justin... Not that Bully Brothers..🤣
I've stopped going to shows because of this dynamic pricing. I'm not going to participate. Ticketmaster will put you in a queue, whip you into a buying frenzy and by the time your finished paying 400 quid for a 80 quid ticket, you come away thinking you've won a prize or something. Not for me,
It's Black Mirror territory, utterly loathsome. At a time when ordinary people are stretched more than ever, and just a decent standard of living become less and less affordable to many, we see the rich trying to squeeze the last drops of cash out of people just wanting to feel good for a couple of hours. Total disrespect to any artist who agrees to this monstrous behaviour.
People need to recognize the real value of these shows. Most of it is faked.
Yay! Best drummer in the world!🐯👋😊
I'll be seeing Cannibal Corpse, Evil Scarecrow, Goat, Sepultura and Lawnmower Deth this autumn. Five gigs in venues where you can get right up front and mosh your brains out, and buy pints for under a tenner, and get out to pub for a few after, and all for under the 'face' value of Oasis. Smaller bands, but wildly more entertaining than Oasis playing in clubs is where it's at. Not rip-off nostalgia merchants. Having said all that, if you got yourself a ticket, good for you, make the most of it!
I was willing to pay about 150 quid. This year I have seen three bands for the same amount: Future Islands, James and Travis. Three extremely accomplished bands with interesting support acts. My friend did beat the Ticketmaster queue and paid 350 pounds for a ticket for Oasis. That's more than I paid for 4 days at the Mad Cool festival in Madrid where I saw The Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, The Killers, Dua Lipa, Nothing But Thieves, Greta Van Fleet, Jessie Ware, The Warning, Michael Kiwanuka, Garbage, The Black Pumas and a whole load of other top artists. I'll continue to keep my eye on the smaller venues and also support up-and-coming bands. Stadium shows are never as good anyway. Do I still want to see Oasis live? Absolutely, but it's really more about wanting to feel 16 again than the quality of the vocals and the music.
I went to see The Warning back in April at the Glasgow Garage, which was an brilliant gig. It cost me only £16 a ticket.
Viva The Warning, just discovered them a few months ago, sadly after they came to a smallish venue only a year ago, but SUPER excited to see them coming in October, although at a Metal festival, they'll be doing an acoustic set for the VIP.
After I discovered them, I was willing to fly to New Jersey or CA to see them in much bigger festivals, but as this show will be literally 30 minutes from my house, such a bargain to fork out that $200 for VIP only to find out after purchasing about the acoustic set :). I'm so jazzed to see them live for the first time....
It is thanks to Justin himself that I discovered this band! They are #1 on my "shut up and take my money" list.
People are upset and I totally understand, the website was shit and the prices were scummy. Only half of that is the bands fault (prices.)
Ticketmaster has a monopoly on the live music industry, and therefore doesn’t sell tickets at competitive prices. Their entire business is selling tickets and yet they couldn’t handle a shit tonne of people trying to buy tickets when they knew how much interest there was (14 million people)
Agree 100%, it's a monopoly
Think it's disgusting the increase put on via. Dynamic pricing. I feel a lot of people would have been comfortable and accepting of a £20-40 increase.....but to queue for 6hrs or so to find out minimum price is £350 is abhorrent. I went in queueing aware of ticket prices advertised. My budget was £150, at a push I could go for the £200 if that's all that was available. But I wasted 6hrs of my life queueing for something I knew I couldn't afford. Ticketmaster could have put in the chat updates for people queueing stating remaining tickets have now been increased. Ultimately they priced themselves alongside tout prices, which oasis had preached not to buy from secondary sites.
Also big thing - 'in-demand pricing'. It was always in demand, the band said for days about 'unprecedented demand' this was no surprise. The ticket sites couldn't manage the traffic, which was inevitably expected.
I saw them in 2009, golden circle at the front in wembley stadium, called Liam down from the stage, he gave me and my mates his tambourine. I dug out my ticket from then - £38.30 exc vat and other fees. I will treasure those memories.
Must have been a cheap one that cost seen them on that tour and standing was a minimum 50
@@mrbig9595 price I put was exc vat and fees. Came to just over £50 with all that.
Justin, it is so liberating to hear an arena touring musician such as yourself say "yes, the band does have a say in dynamic pricing." Thank you for telling the truth. A lot of times i mistakenly think that all of you famous people are in this fancy club that's trying to make all of us poor people poorer, but you're just a person too. I need to remember that.
Another good one JH. I think Ill get a SHRIMP sandwich for lunch since you mentioned it.
Should have gone back to queuing at the box office, 2 tickets per person ❤
Noel is now catering to the Rasberry top Shandy brigade
He’s been a Tory for ages
@@ResevoirGod Who tf cares about the politics of anything its just music the people are going for. you'll find most musicians have opinions you disagree with, gonna boycott every single one?
at the end of the day its supply and demand. Oasis are selling a rare commodity that has been unavailable for 15 years.
Lmao TM was Dossed at 4am = BY TOUTS
they lagged out the server so their multiple accounts could snap up the tickets
IF YOU SEE A TOUT = THROW THEM IN THE RIVER ( then give his tickets to the kids free )
You mean like Noel Gallagher who publicly endorsed Tony Blair in 1997?@@T0FFII
No refund if cancelled. Heh, we're taking about Oasis.... I won't take that bet, sorry.
struggle to see how that wouldn't be a breach of consumer law - pair of shysters to be honest, listening to this
I just said the same thing lol
If you have to buy, buy on a credit card then if it's cancelled do a chargeback, the bank gives you the money and then chases the vendor for it. Best of all, don't reward their behaviour by giving them a single penny.
It'll never happen - they'll be at each others throats before Christmas 😂
Candice, that's a ruddy good point
Love the way this video is edited!
Queueing for 5hrs to get to the tickets to be told no tickets available search for a new date to be added back into the back of the queue for a new date was diabolical. Only then to get back to see the price had gone up..fucking diabolical…then when you went to buy, errored and put to the back again..absolutely fucking diabolical
Read something interesting earlier, ticket master have stated that dynamic pricing is the option of the artist and promoter, it then stated that ticket master is one of the four companies promoting the tour, you couldn't make it up.
They announced the prices a couple days before to draw more people in, to then use dynamic pricing and double the price.
They also announced days before that these were the only European dates, to draw even more people internationally.
They could have announced more dates to make more money, instead they doubled the prices.
I was happy to pay £150, we queued for 5 hours and when we got to the tickets, they were £350. It's grim, so we decided to not buy them.
Agree with all of this.
I joined the queue in a pretty reasonable place (5k) for one of the shows and was in the actual shop within maybe 35 mins or so of them going on sale and at this point they only had the inflated "in demand" / "platinum" tickets for sale. I would be fairly certain that normal priced tickets sold out within 20 mins of them going on sale. And it's just crazy that they let people queue for 10 hours of which 9 hours 30 mins of that they were only selling inflated tickets. There really should have been better communication here by the vendor and the band.
I would be really interested to know what the percentage of presale tickets vs normal tickets vs inflated tickets was (I"m guessing 60 presale, 20 normal and 20 inflated) and also the percentage of normal tickets sold by Ticketmaster vs See Tickets & Gigs and Tours.
Oh that is so wrong, I’d be pis*^d and like you, wouldn’t buy!
Im going to Heaton Park
im not paying 300 quid
TM was dossed at 4m on ticket sale day so didnt even bother loading the web page ( id seen this on the dark web a few days earlier ,aggressive non buying cloggers )
i will either
1 Beat up a Tout & redistribute his tickets to the needy ( Fellow City fans )
2 Ill wait & wait until Oasis take the stage then tell the tout " well opening song makes your ticket half price now m8 , your cash out just went down like United getting Beat again " Ill give you 20 you can buy some of that sherbert you like so much .
I had them after about an hour, then their payment system repeatedly failed. Announcing a full world tour in one go would have been sensible or at least all the European dates to throttle demand. A whole load will go on Twickets from international sellers who eventually realise they can go local.
@@cs0rpc it was all done so it push up the traffic and in turn the surge pricing. It's smart but grim tactics.
Love is only a feeling is one of the greatest tracks of all time ❤
Ed Sheeran has talked about this, and it is 100% on the artist to ban the dynamic pricing form Ticketmaster
I don’t mind them charging whatever they want, but if I’d known tickets were £485 (to sit anywhere decent - as they were by the time I finally reached the end of the queue) I would not have bothered wasting my entire Saturday trying to get tickets. That’s what I’m most annoyed about. All that time and stress for no reason. I imagine they bank on people getting caught up in it all and paying more than they otherwise would have been happy to.
I work nights. Ended up spending my Saturday with 4 hours sleep and no tickets.
The whole ticket selling racket seems to revolve around some really sketchy practices, strikingly similar to the way gambling companies run their operations, in order to get people to part with £600 for a ticket to stand on a football / rugby pitch looking at the back of someone else's head for 2 hours. I wonder how many people who initially felt elated to have landed tickets now feel like they've just been scammed and saddled with a maxed out credit card that they will struggle just to pay the monthly interest on.