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  • Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024

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  • @TopCarsTV
    @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад +26

    Get 10% off your first month with my sponsor, BetterHelp: betterhelp.com/topcars

    • @kid._._buu
      @kid._._buu 10 месяцев назад +13

      Dawg didn't betterhelp sell peoples data to companies like Facebook

    • @Qranky
      @Qranky 10 месяцев назад +6

      Hope your better bro.

    • @neringalukoseviciute1787
      @neringalukoseviciute1787 10 месяцев назад

      💀

    • @donotatme
      @donotatme 10 месяцев назад

      Their terms of service are horrible and there's plenty of stories of people not getting LICENSED mental health professionals, instead people who don't have licenses or are suspended in their state. They also sell your data, something a mental health company really shouldn't.

  • @DatDudePlays
    @DatDudePlays 10 месяцев назад +224

    Honorable mentions moment:
    1. 2009 Lexus LFA
    2. 2012 Ferrari FF
    3. 1990 Toyota Sera

    • @neosoviet502
      @neosoviet502 10 месяцев назад

      The lfa was made in 2011

    • @izumikonomi3320
      @izumikonomi3320 10 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@neosoviet502its prototype raced in nurburghring in 2009 and slowly they refine it and produce it in 2011

    • @MalaysianPlayer19
      @MalaysianPlayer19 10 месяцев назад +3

      Some of you might know this already but the Toyota Sera's butterfly doors helped inspired the McLaren F1 supercar to have it's own butterfly doors too

    • @MalaysianPlayer19
      @MalaysianPlayer19 10 месяцев назад

      TQ for telling us

    • @Xledyz
      @Xledyz 10 месяцев назад +3

      The FF is supposed to be a successor of the 612 scagletti

  • @Dev.161
    @Dev.161 10 месяцев назад +118

    Stype may not upload consistently but they're always high quality

    • @CJ-hv6fe
      @CJ-hv6fe 10 месяцев назад +2

      Fr

    • @cukuwruums_306
      @cukuwruums_306 10 месяцев назад +6

      as the old saying goes, “quality over quantity”

    • @neosoviet502
      @neosoviet502 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@cukuwruums_306that’s true

    • @hpcarthech4387
      @hpcarthech4387 10 месяцев назад

      Honestly tho not to be a dick but I think that's what is dragging his channel down for me. Inconsistency

  • @izz9535
    @izz9535 10 месяцев назад +28

    Didn’t know the channel was going through some tough times in 2022. I didn’t even realize it the production and the videos were just getting better than the previous one
    Nice to see you’re back on your feet now

  • @jacobrev6567
    @jacobrev6567 10 месяцев назад +83

    I never know Skoda made pickup truck before I did not expect that actually

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад +29

      There was a regular Felicia Pickup without the folding seats too.

    • @TheRat4938
      @TheRat4938 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@TopCarsTV Saw one of those in Slovenia

    • @axy_cz
      @axy_cz 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@TopCarsTVi see them a lot in Czech republic (im czech)

    • @jacobrev6567
      @jacobrev6567 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@TopCarsTV Really I never know that

    • @nicktallfox5266
      @nicktallfox5266 10 месяцев назад

      A landlocked country made a beach going pick-up. I love it.

  • @vynasdyzelis
    @vynasdyzelis 10 месяцев назад +42

    Hey Stype, I know you probably hear this alot, but you've been one my favorite youtubers ever since I started watching you in 2022. The great editing and ancient jokes are all so perfect. Also the fact that you're not afraid to say your thoughts without fear of being criticized, hell, not a lot of youtubers have that much courage these days to do so. I sure hope your channel will be watched by millions one day. Keep it up!❤

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад +15

      Thanks man 👍

    • @Z33_Cowboy
      @Z33_Cowboy 10 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@TopCarsTVI love your channel too. But I'm not riding this guy's comment. As a auto detailer if you're ever in Georgia specifically Gainesville. You're full detail is on my company's dollar. Thank you for all you do.

  • @KuskusGaming
    @KuskusGaming 10 месяцев назад +93

    New video yes

  • @loucostabile
    @loucostabile 10 месяцев назад +5

    Perfect Car Picks, Education, LOTS of Humor! and Outstanding Editing....All the factors to make you watch a full video of ENJOYMENT!

  • @dartixxd
    @dartixxd 10 месяцев назад +30

    xDD that Škoda kills me , i am from Slovakia what is neighboring country to Czechia , and do prdele rusko is gold !!! :DD

    • @aymanalhubail2083
      @aymanalhubail2083 10 месяцев назад +2

      What does it mean?😅

    • @dartixxd
      @dartixxd 10 месяцев назад

      @@aymanalhubail2083 fuck russia :D

    • @tomasadami5945
      @tomasadami5945 10 месяцев назад

      @@aymanalhubail2083something like “go fuck yourself Russia”

    • @paby_827
      @paby_827 3 месяца назад

      Fūck Russia or something like that i dont speak english too good@@aymanalhubail2083

  • @TJWCars
    @TJWCars 10 месяцев назад +11

    I've actually driven a P1800S before and it's awesome. Slow as fuck but absolutely awesome as a slow Cruiser

  • @RageCannon-tf3ob
    @RageCannon-tf3ob 10 месяцев назад +1

    I remember watching my first video of yours during online school in 2020. There's a lot of channels out there that rank cars, but none have the same style, presentation, and sense of humor that yours does. So many of those channels like to reinforce the popular opinion about a specific car or group of cars to gain support, but you dare to be different. Watching the video where you (justifiably) called out a bunch of Italian cars for being questionably styled only solidified my love for your channel. As someone who has many opinions about the automotive industry that a lot of people disagree with, your videos make my day. I'm well into college now, but that doesn't stop me from counting down the days until your next upload.
    Thank you, Stype.

  • @BlazeORenegado
    @BlazeORenegado 10 месяцев назад +4

    I honestly love the Phaeton. It is my favorite luxury car, and it's just plain cool IMO. The Phaeton shouldn't have failed, it's an awesome car

  • @alaaalshanti2530
    @alaaalshanti2530 10 месяцев назад +13

    I love the S7, it is one of my favorite supercars, and i think it looks prettier than its competitors the F1 and the Veyron.Also, it is kind of mystic and scary because no one knows its real performance

  • @yashthegamer4250
    @yashthegamer4250 10 месяцев назад +7

    The lambo LM002 thingy is way better than the Urus

  • @olarul99
    @olarul99 10 месяцев назад +2

    Nice to see the Stinger on the list. I own that car, also in red, and I am loving every part of it. It's an underrated car because of the name badge KIA. People are literally open the window at a traffic light to ask about the car, and a lot of people in German premium brand cars. If you don't care about a car brands name and you want a unique take on a GT car, which has a lot of options compared to other more expensive cars, then go for the Stinger, you won't regret it.

  • @_Opel_
    @_Opel_ 10 месяцев назад +7

    Stype, I’m not sure if you’re gonna see this but I just wanna say we’re happy to hear you are happier and mentally healthy. We love you and your content. 🤝

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад +3

      Thanks man. It's good to feel good

  • @francismhone3086
    @francismhone3086 10 месяцев назад +7

    I have watched every single upload on this channel
    As usual, can't wait for the next one

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks man

    • @matejcernkovic7818
      @matejcernkovic7818 10 месяцев назад +1

      no but really, one of the best car chanels
      @@TopCarsTV

  • @1st_Mr-MemoYT
    @1st_Mr-MemoYT 10 месяцев назад +4

    Keep the good work up, you're content is unmatched!

  • @GarbanzoBeansFan
    @GarbanzoBeansFan 10 месяцев назад +3

    your videos are a GEM!!

  • @zaidmaaita3759
    @zaidmaaita3759 10 месяцев назад +1

    9:44 I agree, but at the same time it feels like someone's really trading reliability and the car's original value for performance, plus it is intimidating for people who don't know much about cars.

  • @benjaminmatute9085
    @benjaminmatute9085 10 месяцев назад +4

    When I hear Rambo Lambo. It’s a long road plays in my head. Fun fact for those who don’t get it (which this fun fact arguably should be said more): The LMM002 was named the Rambo Lambo after the actor for Rambo: First blood (Sylvester Stallone) and Rocky Balboa. Was one of the first buyers and because of this they called it the Rambo Lambo, and also it looked like something Rambo would drive.

  • @sehemunzuri
    @sehemunzuri 10 месяцев назад +3

    TOP CARS TV IS THE BEST WRITER IN THE GAME.

  • @Shehaby28
    @Shehaby28 10 месяцев назад +2

    Stype, ever since i subscribed i havent missed a video. Dont let the hate comments get to you. You are really funny and creative. Your format is top tier. Dont change anything and keep up the good work man.

  • @pietrodalfiume7743
    @pietrodalfiume7743 10 месяцев назад +3

    A car that should be on This list Is the FIAT Dino: an european Muscle with Ferrari V6, built by...FIAT?!?

  • @steliyanandreev3301
    @steliyanandreev3301 10 месяцев назад +1

    Well done again,never stop with your reviews !

  • @dubaikay5871
    @dubaikay5871 10 месяцев назад +1

    The most original and high quality car relaxed channel on RUclips in my opinion and everytime one is uploaded they always make my day thank You

  • @josephmessere4054
    @josephmessere4054 10 месяцев назад +2

    I don’t think everyone was expecting an Avalon TRD

  • @JMJoubert
    @JMJoubert 10 месяцев назад +2

    Personally, I love the Cygnet. I love the P1800 too.

  • @JACK_ZEN
    @JACK_ZEN 10 месяцев назад +4

    Damn! Finally Stype dropped a new video

  • @stevenjoy3537
    @stevenjoy3537 10 месяцев назад +2

    The Skoda Favorit was a brilliant car within the market it occupied

  • @zavizrzavecky5928
    @zavizrzavecky5928 10 месяцев назад +4

    FINNALY SKODA IN YOUR VIDEO. ME AS CZECH IM JUST HAPPYYYYYY.

  • @FilipCeulemas
    @FilipCeulemas 10 месяцев назад +1

    The bit of. Red Volkswagen next to yellow Lamborghini Gallardo (13:23min) we used to shoot for advertisement of Volkswagen.
    Was promotional film in the Port between containers ( Belgium ).

  • @aleksandar9873
    @aleksandar9873 10 месяцев назад +3

    12:01 I wasn't expecting Vojko V here.

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад +3

      The saboteur

    • @aleksandar9873
      @aleksandar9873 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@TopCarsTV is your name Stipe? Be honest.

  • @neogriff
    @neogriff 10 месяцев назад +1

    Dude, ngl, when that S7 was spitting fire, an ad pops out and starts with an explosion. I thought it was part of the video, up until I saw the yellow bar 😅

  • @omerozer9667
    @omerozer9667 10 месяцев назад +3

    that head turning jumpscared me now ima have nightmares

  • @FonikosGazmas
    @FonikosGazmas 10 месяцев назад +4

    11:40 I wasnt expecting that.... Is that a Taco Bell side effect?

  • @Gee_Jay
    @Gee_Jay 9 месяцев назад +2

    I MISSED the MEGA TRACK -- A Large, Wide, REAR MiD-Engined 4-Seat, 4x4 "Sports-Car" - Styled like a Ferrari Mondial -- but with 7inch / 18cm ground clearance, Powered by a big V8 in front of the rear axle, launched a decade before Porsche's First Cayenne, by French co. "Mega", otherwise known for making quadri-cycle (off-highway) classed little 2-seat city-"cars" for old folks and invalids. Truth !

  • @eddraouyayman
    @eddraouyayman 10 месяцев назад +4

    but where are Ferrari f333 Lizard?

  • @francismhone3086
    @francismhone3086 10 месяцев назад +4

    I love this channel
    And I personally feel like it's underappreciated 😢

  • @matricious
    @matricious 10 месяцев назад +2

    Best thumbnails on RUclips,
    period.

  • @Eggyteevee
    @Eggyteevee 10 месяцев назад +2

    I love the S7 with every fiber of my being you have no idea what I'd do to own one of these mate

  • @shubhankarsoman8514
    @shubhankarsoman8514 10 месяцев назад +4

    You know it's good day when a new topcars tv video is posted❤

  • @DLGaming2002
    @DLGaming2002 10 месяцев назад +4

    WOW! Stype actually used my suggestion!

  • @d1sxppeared
    @d1sxppeared 10 месяцев назад +3

    We love your videos m8👌

  • @imnot_arab
    @imnot_arab 10 месяцев назад +2

    yo i have been watching ur vids since 2020 and ngl always remained fire

  • @sidlazzar1002
    @sidlazzar1002 10 месяцев назад +1

    Not “the size of Lizzo”😭🤣Deaddd, your car/ppl roasts are unmatched my dude 🤌🏼

  • @joha_6
    @joha_6 10 месяцев назад +3

    Really cool Vid

  • @diegovasconcelos9711
    @diegovasconcelos9711 10 месяцев назад +2

    I actualy wait till the end just to hear the "CUUUUUUUT!"

  • @LukeyD88
    @LukeyD88 10 месяцев назад +1

    YES! Stype uploaded again. Missing my dose of TopCars TV and Stype.

  • @ChaplainPhantasm
    @ChaplainPhantasm 10 месяцев назад +3

    Ain't gonna lie, the Felicia Fun is probably my new favorite fun car. I don't drive one, never even heard of one, but frankly it has become one of my favorites in an instant, right along the Chevy SSR. What can I say? I love weird shit.

  • @pittyman
    @pittyman 10 месяцев назад +1

    5:18 Man, I never heard about your channel, just now YT did show it to me. So, don't cry for me, Argentina. 😉

  • @WKN2045GB
    @WKN2045GB 10 месяцев назад +2

    Just to say it, im a German, and i dont have a problem when an English person says Porsch or Porscha, because thats how you pronounce it, we german say Porsche but that doesnt mean others have to pronounce it that way.

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад

      There are two ways people say Michael Schumacher, but no one makes a big fuss about that

    • @WKN2045GB
      @WKN2045GB 10 месяцев назад

      @@TopCarsTV Exactly

  • @ashrafqudah1548
    @ashrafqudah1548 10 месяцев назад +2

    Finally, Stype my man posting a video 🎉🎉

  • @yapzifengmoe
    @yapzifengmoe 7 месяцев назад +1

    Y know another car I would pick would be the Yamaha OX99-11 like. From the start Yamaha made instruments and motorbikes and made car engines but in 1992 Yamaha just randomly made super car. It actually pretty cool. An F1 car for the streets.
    And then there’s the Zagato Zele- a car made by zagato himself. It was a small electric car like the Citicar. Very quirky, useless, and just questionable to say The least
    Alright then that’s about it and ya love ur videos!

  • @Creaturelogy
    @Creaturelogy 10 месяцев назад +10

    I love your videos.. keep up with your videos ❤❤❤

  • @matejcernkovic7818
    @matejcernkovic7818 10 месяцев назад +1

    Felicia was car for everyone. Do you want your first car? Hatchback. Do you need a car for the family? Wagon. Do you want work car? Pickup. Are you insane? Felicia Fun! Great vid.

  • @simeonov907
    @simeonov907 10 месяцев назад +5

    Cool video! I love that you mentioned the p1800. What are your thoughts about it?

  • @minecraftarchitect7893
    @minecraftarchitect7893 10 месяцев назад +2

    Finally , been waiting for years

  • @harrywijanarkosetyawan2270
    @harrywijanarkosetyawan2270 10 месяцев назад +2

    Finally good ads for the channel 😂

  • @Josh-fl9or
    @Josh-fl9or 10 месяцев назад +2

    FINALLY A NEW VIDEO i waited 4 weeks lmao

  • @darkmalus3033
    @darkmalus3033 10 месяцев назад +1

    Honorable mentions , the lexus lfa the all mighty V10 god sounding legend , the Ferrari FF the first practical Ferrari bug still with it's Italian blood , the Toyota Sera concept looking real deal crazy doors like the McLaren f1

  • @CenReaperYT.
    @CenReaperYT. 10 месяцев назад

    KIA Stinger doesn't seem worth it when new Toyota Prius goes 0-60 in 5 seconds, drinks 6 liters at max and costs only 3 grand more

  • @umerdarazkhan3632
    @umerdarazkhan3632 10 месяцев назад +6

    Stype, you're great man. I like your style of editing and speech as well as knowledge about cars. Your videos are informative and also entertaining ( i've got addicted to them tho.😂)
    Love from Pakistan bro.
    Keep delivering quality content for car enthusiasts like me.❤🎉

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад +2

      From Pakistan? Isn't it like 3AM there right now? Go to sleep man 😁

    • @umerdarazkhan3632
      @umerdarazkhan3632 10 месяцев назад

      @@TopCarsTV
      Ahahahaha, you got me.😂
      Actually i'm a bit sick these days so, the sleeping schedule is shifting towards day-time.😅
      From Tomorrow, i have to get back to studies and my routine will be normal.😉

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад +1

      @@umerdarazkhan3632 alright man, take care

    • @MahadShahzad08
      @MahadShahzad08 10 месяцев назад +1

      Same also from Pakistan. I am a car enthusiast myself. Grew up with cars since birth. There few of us around here.

    • @umerdarazkhan3632
      @umerdarazkhan3632 10 месяцев назад

      @@MahadShahzad08
      I am from Lahore, where are you from in Pakistan brother??

  • @explodincreepah6121
    @explodincreepah6121 10 месяцев назад +3

    0:25 *super touring across the continent

  • @royalsam8005
    @royalsam8005 10 месяцев назад +3

    Upload more frequently Stype ❤️

  • @silverfacetwin06
    @silverfacetwin06 10 месяцев назад +1

    You Rock Stype!!

  • @عبدالرحمنعليخدادات
    @عبدالرحمنعليخدادات 10 месяцев назад +6

    The best channel on RUclips
    entertaining, funny and full of information.
    How could it be better than this ?
    Thank you how ever behind this art ❤

  • @fredysebastian6545
    @fredysebastian6545 10 месяцев назад +2

    Nice content homie 😊

  • @vadimf8301
    @vadimf8301 10 месяцев назад

    Dude, I *LOVE* your videos. They always bring me good mood. For me personally they are better therapy than some therapist. Sorry that I don't use your link.

  • @dyaanahmad5079
    @dyaanahmad5079 10 месяцев назад +2

    nobody expected high quality videos from him

  • @emmanuelumeadi4048
    @emmanuelumeadi4048 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks For all the latest information on cars+ toilet humour It's a good mix for me to enjoy daily whether new or old videos you've always provided the best cars entertainment.😊😊😊😊😊❤❤❤

  • @joha_6
    @joha_6 10 месяцев назад +3

    "Ok I'm good " 😂

  • @raiyanhossain5327
    @raiyanhossain5327 10 месяцев назад +2

    8:34 Hmm........ that's a very comfy looking headrest by VW 💀💀

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад

      it smells a little

    • @raiyanhossain5327
      @raiyanhossain5327 10 месяцев назад

      @@TopCarsTV I can tolerate some "Scent" for style 🌚🌚🌚

  • @KfuJean-Louis
    @KfuJean-Louis 10 месяцев назад +1

    "i will tell you.....,I don't know"😂😂😂

  • @W204_C63.-AMG
    @W204_C63.-AMG 10 месяцев назад +1

    also that saleen model s thing

  • @anuraghaldar7793
    @anuraghaldar7793 10 месяцев назад +2

    Aston Martin + Toyota= Cygnet( the child nobody wants)

  • @CoolGuy20115
    @CoolGuy20115 10 месяцев назад

    "My bf has an Aston Martin"
    The Aston Martin:

  • @randomthingsstuff6591
    @randomthingsstuff6591 10 месяцев назад

    The Cygnet is my favourite Aston Martin

  • @Mayank_Maximum
    @Mayank_Maximum 10 месяцев назад +7

    Hornable mentions but uniqe,tata indica silloute (the indian car that has v6 power form germany)
    ,vw polo r wrc(a literal fwd 210bp rally car + city hatch) and hyundai in rallye

  • @TheNorweigen86
    @TheNorweigen86 10 месяцев назад +1

    Finally a new vid I am have been waiting for ever

  • @tonmoyahmed5216
    @tonmoyahmed5216 10 месяцев назад +4

    I love your videos, try to make one video in a week ❤

  • @yeetyboe7099
    @yeetyboe7099 8 месяцев назад

    We had a Phaeton for almost 10 years. Can't imagine loving another car ever again as much as I loved that.

  • @catalinlazurca
    @catalinlazurca 10 месяцев назад +2

    "If you ask the students from Harvard" 😜Ouch, Sir, ouch!

  • @ismailsamani8002
    @ismailsamani8002 10 месяцев назад

    Comfort: foam > leather
    Looks: leather > foam

  • @Mihailo_Roljevic
    @Mihailo_Roljevic 10 месяцев назад +1

    look babe, TopCarsTV just uploaded a new video!

  • @snfriedm
    @snfriedm 10 месяцев назад +3

    4:03 LMAOOOOOOOOO

  • @damien2670
    @damien2670 10 месяцев назад +45

    Better help is a scam, don't endorse with them

    • @Automotiveworldoffical
      @Automotiveworldoffical 7 месяцев назад +3

      Care to explain? Or give some proof?

    • @CJ-hv6fe
      @CJ-hv6fe 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@Automotiveworldofficalyea fr tho lol

    • @luckycorn8590
      @luckycorn8590 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@Automotiveworldofficalthey illegally sell user data, look it up

    • @PhantomTechnik131
      @PhantomTechnik131 6 месяцев назад +3

      There’s more than enough video essays on their shady business practices, they’re not hard to find if you at least try to loook.

    • @10_aanan
      @10_aanan 4 месяца назад +1

      If u wanna help me, do it as charity..... Why do u want my money? It will make me more depressed

  • @anticipationwaves2952
    @anticipationwaves2952 10 месяцев назад

    11:41 that was uncalled for💀

  • @zalanmeszaros3523
    @zalanmeszaros3523 10 месяцев назад +1

    I missed the Phanteons little brother the Passat W8.

  • @LukeDogg20
    @LukeDogg20 10 месяцев назад

    12:17 best car channel 😂😂

  • @ognjenstojanovic9322
    @ognjenstojanovic9322 10 месяцев назад +1

    The yugo florida wasnt bad ,but most of them were made in 2000s

  • @marekstanek112
    @marekstanek112 10 месяцев назад +3

    It's read " folk's wagen", FFS.

  • @edvinlind1397
    @edvinlind1397 10 месяцев назад +1

    3:14 As a swede you don't talk shit about the pv it is a legend in Swedish car culture

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад +3

      It's still ugly

    • @edvinlind1397
      @edvinlind1397 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@TopCarsTV Nah it is beautiful but sure I respect your opinion

    • @TopCarsTV
      @TopCarsTV  10 месяцев назад +1

      @@edvinlind1397 Looks are always subjective, so saying that something is ugly is like saying that I prefer number 8 to number 6.
      OK, fine :)
      Also, thanks for watching

    • @edvinlind1397
      @edvinlind1397 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@TopCarsTV yea I know. I was just saying I thought that the PV was beautiful and that was all but I still love the videos bro keep it up

  • @savi4574
    @savi4574 10 месяцев назад +1

    Your videos are always holidays!

  • @liibaanfarxaan4471
    @liibaanfarxaan4471 10 месяцев назад

    bro did Lizo dirty

  • @JoyManoppo
    @JoyManoppo 10 месяцев назад

    1:56 that car driven a million miles on mileage

  • @needfoolthings
    @needfoolthings 8 месяцев назад

    This channel is awesome. Fearless memes.

  • @Grimreaper-g2i
    @Grimreaper-g2i 10 месяцев назад +3

    Instresting

  • @N7Prime
    @N7Prime 10 месяцев назад

    I didn’t ask for this but I didn’t know I wanted this video 👍

  • @kettle_of_chris
    @kettle_of_chris 10 месяцев назад

    How about _Cars Mopar/GM/Ford cancelled and no one wanted them to_