Hey everyone! Thanks for everyone watching this interview. During the over hour of the interview, Caleb and I briefly discussed his case. After we wrapped, we both agreed that we would not include this information, only a very high level because there is a victim that cannot speak to her side of the story. Due to his status on the registry, I felt it was important to protect her privacy. In order to get through the interview, we made agreements to have a civil discourse despite my not condoning or agreeing with his crime or behavior. The goal of the video is not to rehash what he's done in an unrelated case but to show what the Duggars did to him in Josh's case. Caleb did plead guilty to a charge in Illinois. As a part of his plea, he had to complete a lot programs, therapy, and make restitution. The prosecutors in the case explained to the judge what happened & how the crime was different than Josh's crime. Josh's crime involved young girls under age 12. Caleb's involved a 16 year old that he was in a relationship with at the time, a relationship that I again, don't agree with & do not support his crimes or actions. We had ground rules for this interview so that it was done constructively. I have to balance my approach to ask the questions you want to know about the case at hand - which is Josh. Hope that helps! Katie
Perfectly executed Katie💜 Keeping everything crossed for a long long sentence, but can’t lie, I’m so so scared that he’s only going to end up serving a few years 😞 I so so hope I’m wrong 💜💜💜X
I know Caleb's not perfect, but the difference in owning and taking responsibility between Caleb and Josh is like night and day. I'm proud of Caleb, actually.
@@debshaw680 the girl's parents and Caleb's parents should have been arrested for arranging this and supporting it. You make it sound like he raped a random girl.
@@debshaw680 the frontal lobe which is in charge of good decision making does not fully develop until age 26. In addition, Caleb seems to admit what he did was wrong and that he also went through the proper steps to change behavior and not to do it again.
Heather 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 there’s a huge difference in ages, one of the people working on the case said he’d seen some vile things, but some of what josh had were in the top 5 most vile things he’d ever seen in 20 something years of doing his job. I used to teach so I have memories of some horrible things, I don’t know how people who work in it, tracking down sc** who do it, then sift through evidence…I don’t know how, I couldn’t do it. It’s great that there are people who will go after them. In a perfect world they wouldn’t need to do it
@@vixenlynn3980 something is off if a parent says she can marry at 16 and then tuens around and charges him for abuse someone is not telling the truth. It also sounds like this relationship started at 14. According to the unidentified mother, Williams repeatedly had sex with his alleged victim when she was between the ages of 14 and 16
@@shannonbrice8012 Caleb having sex with the girl he was supposed to marry (both sets of parents supported this) does not compare with Josh molesting his sisters, cheating on his wife, and downloading the worst csam on the dark web.
@@stefaniemedina14 if both sets of parents were on board with him having sex with a 14 year old why did they get a restraining order and charge him with sexual abuse? Why didn't they move up the time line of the marriage when she was pregnant amd just say the baby came early?
Edit to add that this young man is worth more than the entire Duggar family. His humility and compassion put them to shame, especially Josh and Jim Bob.
Caleb, You are a much bigger person than many people would be under under the circumstances that were pretty much forced on you. That you don’t hate any of the people involved says a lot about your character. I hope the best for you in your lifetime. God bless you!
Caleb was very transparent, I can tell his heart aches for the loss of friendship and the loss of a father figure. In time his heart will heal from this betrayal. Wicked people that Josh, JB, and Anna were trying to pin this on him, they will reap what they sow and harvest time is here.
Katie, I am so impressed with this interview. No one could have done this interview better than you have. You kept it focused and on track. You didn't interrupt and kept the questions dignified and precise. You go woman!
I loved every bit of his answers. “I forgive you…forgiveness does not mean trust”. This is what a Christian man is supposed to look like. Honest, upfront about his own mistakes, and forgiving of others even when they show no remorse. He truly just wants the best for everyone.
God bless Caleb. There is nothing wrong with being an optimist and it is hard sometimes to watch your own back, but I am glad he is setting the record straight for himself.
It’s incredible that Caleb was willing to come on your program and speak his truth. All I can say, is that this interview really speaks to the hold that the teachings of the IBLP has on a person. It just takes a lot of therapy and a lot of time to see your way clear. Hearing his story, makes me respect him so much more for what he did. He was really put out there on a limb all alone.
This is my first comment after watching religiously for over a year! I am a nurse and I watch you after every shift. You have more exclusives than the big time reporters and I totally appreciate the work you do. There is nothing I like more than ending a shift, laying in bed and watching the world crash in on that POS. Looking forward to tomorrow!
Hats off to Caleb Williams! He seems to be such an awesome person. Forgiveness is an important part of healing for anyone including the Duggars when you have faith in God. He is a bigger young man for it. Thanks for getting him on to do the interview. Very nicely done.
What a great interview Katie! I’m so glad we were able to see Caleb‘s side of the story. It made me feel bad that he looked at JB as a father and he wouldn’t even talk to him about the situation. And that Caleb had such nice things to say about Josh but then for Josh to accuse him is so disturbing. I am wishing for the max for Josh, he deserves that and more.
I know Caleb has made mistakes in his past, but I really feel for him because the adults in his life, people he looked up too and respected have really hurt him and let him down. The way he speaks of Jimbob even now compared to how Jimbob treated him with Josh's situation is so sad. The parents of the younger girl he was betrothed too (and that he has said he loved) ripped him away from everything. The Duggars and the IBLP have set this guy up and then knocked him down hard.
I felt that way but then I heard people saying the relationship with his victim started when she was 13. I have a really hard time with that. Has he left the cult? It sounds like he hasn't, but I could be wrong. I feel like the cult absolutely does normalize relationships between minors and adults and if he grew up in this, he may have not understood that it's wrong because it's all he's ever known or seen. That said, after being convicted and educated, if he is still IN the cult, that's concerning
@@dianavargas9902 thank you for pointing out that I used the wrong spelling of too/to in my comment. I hope anyone reading my comment understood what I meant with even with my misuse of the word. Your correction has been duly noted by me.
What grace & poise this young man has in spite of the horrendous treatment he has endured by the Duggar’s & his own personal situation. I am amazed. Thank you for giving him a voice. Excellent interview. Wish only the best for Caleb in the future
Hello from Sweden!! I am now addicted to your chanel and I watch every video. You are doing a great job Katie! Thank you so much for all the work and all the time you put in!
Caleb, I am so sorry about how you were treated by Josh, Anna, and his defense team, etc. I believe you. And as a Christian I will pray for you. I am glad you can get your side of the story out! Thanks, KJ!
Caleb is already dealing with his past. And now he is dealing with Josh’s crime being placed on him. All these people defending Josh and going along with the blame game are disturbing to me. As a result, Caleb’s reputation will continue to be damaged. He seems to accept responsibility for his past and hopefully he will continue moving in the right direction.
Thank you Katie Joy. Your presentation of the interview with limits is so good. Caleb is recovering from a horrible situation and for the Duggars to try to frame him for this just shows how black their souls are. Josh had paid for Videos of children being injured in the worst way and that was the SA and SM on his computer. He was financially supporting the harming of innocent small children. Katie, I hope it is okay for me to put this so starkly plain on your site. I think that people need to know the depth of evil. Please remove this if you wish.
I was in my 50s before I finally realized that some people are just evil. It’s a crazy thing that just hit me upside the head, because I was such an easy mark, and I’d think whatever happened was all my fault. I’m done being the pigeon at every poker table, but it took awhile.
In addition, one of the videos is supposed to be very notorious. Most of us learned about this video because of this investigation. It just shows how dark Josh Duggar because it means he actively participated and interacted with this evil long enough to learn about these things. It's not like a normal person will say 'hmm, I want to watch this file" or something. No. This implies familiarity with this evil. Think of it this way. If you are into .. I don't know.. cooking, you start exploring. At first, it's something simple. How to make an egg omelet. Then, you progress and it's "How to roast a chicken". Then, you progress and you're looking at molecular gastronomy and you are suddenly spending hundreds of dollars on elite cookware and tools. Josh is at that last stage based on the files he had on his computer. It shows advanced knowledge. We should all be frightened that somebody like him could get away for so long with it. What frightens me more is the fact that Josh is not the only one. These kinds of conservative cultures create a lot of unhealthy people. it's a very abusive culture. Repression and demonization of normal human things such as sex drives can warp people and cause long term damage. For example, Elisabeth Smart was ashamed of being raped as a child and being "impure". Elizabeth Smart was never impure or damaged. Something bad happened. The problem was that the purity culture teachings taught Elizabeth something very wrong. She was the innocent victim and she should have had no thought but.. My mother and father love me and they will help me and and protect me from the bad people.
That was nice....really humanized him, humanized someone who the Duggars desperately tried to vilify. I'm glad that Caleb decided to share and do this interview. If he were indeed guilty of any of this or even like an accomplice to Josh then I don't think that he'd have been willing to share like this.
Caleb, thank you very much for doing this interview. I know this publicity must be incredibly difficult for you, but as a longtime viewer of 19 Kids and Counting as well as its sequel Counting On, I sincerely appreciate learning the facts. You clearly have chosen to take the high road in this situation, and I wish you the very best now and for your future. You and your family will always be in my prayers!
Caleb seems likable and intelligent enough. I must say I'm disappointed that he didn't mention sorrow for the victims of Josh's crime, instead choosing to focus on the loss of his friendship with Josh. Great interview, Katie.
Katie, I find your videos so informative and you are so professional in delivering the updates. The Duggar trial has been complicated and it is appreciated that you have dedicated so much time on the updates! Thank you!!! Keep up the good work!
Great interview! I wanted to actually hear Caleb's side of it. What a sincere guy. Glad he is not allowing the Duggar clan to take up real estate in his head.
Isn’t it crazy how you think your friends with someone and then they go and turn on you like that? I hope josh gets put away for along time. This may be what Anna needs to brake away and become independent.
You have my deepest sympathy for having to go through this!!! I also understand why you were also a victim in this crazy culture. It’s just not fair. You sound like a very upstanding young man with more grace towards the Duggars than they ever deserve.
Wow! What a forgiving young man! It is obvious that he was hurt by the Duggars pointing the finger at him but has chosen to be the better person. Cudos to him for not holding a grudge and forgiving them. I think that can be a very hard thing to do but he seems to be very sincere and mean what he says. A much better representation of JC than some of the Duggsrs.
Caleb, it’s apparent that you’re being honest, owning up to your past, doing what’s been required of you regarding your situation, making restitution and child payments, etc. I’m so sorry you were shafted by the Duggars. Just continue on your forward path, keep doing what’s asked, and I pray you wrote a letter to the judge. Good job on the interview!
Wow this is a great interview. He really is so humble and also very respectful to everyone. He even has sympathy and doesn't even hold it against Josh.
I am so sorry this happened to you Caleb. I came on late but I am so glad you are speaking out regarding how the Duggar family tried to take you down to save Josh. You are an amazing human to be able to forgive them.
I feel so bad for him. He really thought these people where his friends. And could accept him for his past. I couldn't imagine someone I considered a friend doing that to me and how hurt he must be. I'm glad that the government was smart enough to see it wasn't him. I hope his life is getting better and he's able to just cut ties with all of the duggars. Cause it's clear they're always going to want to try and blame him.
Thank you for this Katie. I hear a lot of the IBLP brainwashing when I listen to Caleb. I hope he gets therapy to deal with this, what a horrible thing to have to go through.
Great interview. What a thoughtful young man, who seems to have learned from his life experiences. While I don’t share his briefs, I was impressed by his empathy. 👍
I come from the seventies. 16 Was not considered a child. All my high school friends were dating guys 19 and up then. It is very disconcerting when I see someone described as child molester and they are 16. Not cool in this age but I had to mention it.
I appreciate your perspective on this. I have 2 much older sisters. I remember 1 dating in the 70's-80's and the other dating in the 80's. Their friends came over with their dates or boyfriends and age was brought up. They were teenage girls, 16 and older with men 18 and older. Nothing felt wrong or dirty or illegal. Several of their friends even married and had children with these men. From what I gather, Caleb was introduced to the young lady that had his child through the cult. They were in a relationship and expected to spend their lives together. I'm not certain of the catalyst that brought him to being charged himself. I know Katie mentioned it, I just don't remember it. I'm sure he felt he must enter into this relationship due to the cult teachings and he was under the impression that nothing was wrong with their age difference also due to the cult teachings. So sad the Duggars felt they had an easy mark to blame this on and I'm glad it didn't stick.
Agree it’s very messed up that they are on the same list as someone as sick as josh Duggar. I truly believe this needs to change. And there should be 2 different list for offenders.
I’m in my fifties, and I totally get where you’re coming from. It was different back then. This scenario is literally a sophomore/junior girl going out with a boy who turns 18 his Senior year. No one ever had a problem with this. And yup, there were plenty of us having s$x at 16!! Big difference if it’s a 13 year old eighth grader going out with a Senior boy of 18. That I can see being a huge issue. On the flip side, we were all latch key kids, riding our bikes with no helmets, no seatbelts in the car, and out all day until dinner, fully trusted. With no cell phone, lol. I guess we’re lucky we survived 😆
@Beaver Beater imo it’s that type of pretending to be innocent, blame shifting hurting more innocent people, that I hope gets him a maximum sentence of 20 yrs ✌🏽
It's a level of vicious, depraved amorality that is a feature, not a bug of Joshua James Duggar and his revolting father (and mother) one that appears to be cultivated in and fiercely protected by their cult/religion, the IBLP. And that's aside from what he's been convicted of, which is a whole 'nother level of beyond evil entirely.
Not naming names or implying anyONE person, but...a few "influencers" could take a lesson from you on how to conduct an interview, and be diplomatic when asking questions. I thank you for the lesson. Well done!! (And this Grandma might be old, but not too old to still be learning)
Caleb, you seem like an open and honest young man. You’ve taken responsibility for your past. We serve a forgiving God, and you are “accepted in the beloved” (Ephesians 1:6-7).
Caleb was very transparent in this interview. It takes a lot of strength and courage for Caleb to keep his secret for so long . I feel so bad for Caleb being treated that way by the duggars .
Josh and Jim Bob always want to blame someone else for THEIR sexual deviancy, be it Women or children "defrauding them" or blaming friends, Caleb or the mystery worker who's never been found but allegedly downloaded the CSM. When they stand before the God they supposedly believe in, they won't be able to lie then 🤷
Hey Caleb, I'm a mom who has been through a lot growing up. And I know that you may think you have to remember where you have been now every moment of every day. Believe me you don't. For the most part in life you have to really dig deep into people who give out things too nicely. I can tell you have a really kind heart and I did too. But you need to live your life passed this. None of us do. Please don't drive yourself crazy trying to remember every detail of every day. Godly people can be evil too. Sending so much love from Michigan.
Great interview Katie and Caleb! Thanks for filling in some blanks, without giving too much information. I’m certain tomorrow will be a big deal for so many people.
I understand Caleb’s forgiveness of the Duggars. We can forgive and yet still hold people accountable. We draw strong boundaries, we speak our truth on the matter & “forgive” for our own peace of mind so that we can move on in a healthy way. It sounds like that’s what Caleb has done.
I have been intermittently following the Duggar family from the distance of Australia here for years. Caleb, I'm so sorry that you have been dragged into the evil world of the Duggars like this, it is something you don't deserve. Praying for you
NO! This guy is under the radar accepting his behavior! I do not trust his passiveness. It’s not empathetic. It’s heartless! NOT ONE MENTION OF THE VICTIMS! Josh can NEVER GET BETTER! This guy is either naive or ignorant.
Poor guy, I hope he in the future will Sue them for throwing him in the middle of this scandal. He made a bad decision and has owned up to it, unlike Josh. I hope Josh gets the maximum time. It just goes to show how deceitful Josh and Jim Bob are!
Maybe if he's sent to a prison far away in another state Anna, over time, and hopefully distance, will adjust to him being gone and she can hopefully move on with her life. If he's imprisoned closer to home and she can visit him often she'll still cling to hope for their marriage and stay more emotionally attached to him. Josh and Anna will be around Jimbob and Michelle's ages now whenever he gets out. How long are they going to continue or be able to support her and her children!
Doing this interview, telling ur side, while simultaneously owning ur own mistakes was a really good choice. Caleb seems very genuine and in my mind a victim too. I know Caleb’s brother is in prison for crimes against children (the details are horrendous but I won’t put them here). We can’t control what people around us do and in no way is his brothers behavior a reflection of him. However, I do think he needs to run FAR away from these people. They can’t seem to not harm children. If he stays in this circle it’s almost a guarantee he’ll get caught up in their web again.
I think Caleb is very sincere. He genuinely loves the Duggars, Josh, and JimBob. It is not in his character to treat people he loves like they have treated him, hence his denial that Josh did this purposefully to him.
Thank you for doing the interview to both Katie and Caleb. I think it’s commendable how well he is taking things considering all he’s been through with this. He’s very correct about holding onto anger and hurt only causing him pain. I am not convinced Josh will ever change personally but I’d be thrilled if he proved me wrong. Anna really needs to be careful what choices she makes and think through how it all will affect her children. She has a lot of support to leave and I think that she should take them up on the offers. If josh ever changes then she could re consider but she really needs to protect those babies
For the concerns/comparisons over the ages difference in Caleb's case vs Josh's behavior... I see it as a genuine fault of the parents of the minor child. Caleb didn't pick her up at a mall, at a camp, church, or all ages night club. This was a betrothal arranged by the adults caring for them both. All parents involved should have been the ones under investigation. I heard earlier they started the grooming process years prior, and they both thought this was normal given the circumstances they grew up in. There were strong expectations of marriage during all of this, and they were basically playing house until she was able to get married. This situation is another by-product of the harmful teachings of this cult. Josh who was taught that he didn't have to face real consequences... ever, went after his own sisters, assaulted a women while cheating on Anna multiple times, and viewed illegal material involving children/babies. All he learned was how to live a double life, and his biggest supporters were the ones who perpetuated that. We wonder how some people get in the news about commiting heinous acts, but are able to live a normal life in the public view? We know now how that's possible, and it unfolded in front of our eyes. I hope he gets put away for a very long time, and measures are in place to make sure he is monitored closely when he is released. I hope in the meantime, the ones who have supported this behavior are also being investigated.
There’s no such thing as “non-consensual violent acts against children” . Children are minors, the can’t consent. And even if a child consented to someone doing a violent act to them it’s irrelevant as they are minors. It’s child ab period.
Caleb is not perfect and has learned from past mistakes. For the Duggars to try to pin this on him is beyond appalling. For them to claim they're Christians and to bear false witness is going against God. Caleb is very trusting and very forgiving. Caleb acknowledged and worked on himself and lives to do the right thing. Caleb won't say anything bad about any of them but yet horrible things were said about him by them. Caleb may God bless you, and congratulations on working yourself to become a better man.
Forgiveness is a gift we give ourselves to move on, to heal, and to live our lives in grace. It doesn't mean you forget or give those who sinned against you the chance to continue harming you. Caleb has the right idea about living his life fully and in grace. Praying for someone, forgiving their trespasses against you is a way to heal and move on. Well done video and interview!
If Caleb was in another state, like Maryland, he would have never been charged. The age of consent is 16. When I was 16, the associate pastor at my church was in his 50’s, had grand kids my age, and was sleeping with a 16 year old from the neighborhood (that didn’t go to church). Nothing ever happened to him, except being forced to step down from pastoral duties. I appreciate that Caleb is actually repentant and recognizes, even though he was guided to be with a teen, that it was wrong. I really enjoyed the interview and your impartiality Katie. I love your channel!
narcissists don't have friends. Katie, could you do a video about how many criminals lead double lives and how "good" they can appear to the rest of us?
Katie, you did a great job interviewing Caleb and questioning him about the information pertinent to Josh’s case. Unlike Josh, Caleb made bad choices, owned them, and is being responsible for his actions. I wish him well and hope he has a great future.
Caleb so proud of you for taking responsibility for your actions in your life!! I think you are a true Christian guy and you are an amazing guy! Your so right about trust it has to be earned and gained! Keep pressing forward and you will be amazing brown man one day! You are truly amazing to speak on this! Good Luck! God Bless you!🙏🙏🙏🙏
Caleb Williams is a far better person than I will ever be. May he find peace with his decisions and I find him rather an astute and remarkable man. All the best for him and his future.
Anyone thinking they planned to take in a person who was a known offender so they could pin Josh's wrong doings on them as he started this downward spiral 20yrs ago.
Katie, you were a fantastic host! You asked great questions. Caleb is definitely a better person than I am. I believe that sometimes religion makes us forgive too fast and then down the road, we realize we were so eager to do the right thing by forgiving, that we dont process the normal emotions that would normally come with a situation like this (anger, appallation, disgust, betrayal, etc). I was raised LDS and still am and I see an internal struggle there that I recognized from my younger self. I always tried to be understanding and put others needs above my own. Only as I got older did I realize that forgiveness didnt mean I had to accept people or even like them. That kid has a big and kind heart. I hope he heals from this and has a good life in spite of everything. Again, great job!
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Hey everyone!
Thanks for everyone watching this interview. During the over hour of the interview, Caleb and I briefly discussed his case. After we wrapped, we both agreed that we would not include this information, only a very high level because there is a victim that cannot speak to her side of the story. Due to his status on the registry, I felt it was important to protect her privacy.
In order to get through the interview, we made agreements to have a civil discourse despite my not condoning or agreeing with his crime or behavior. The goal of the video is not to rehash what he's done in an unrelated case but to show what the Duggars did to him in Josh's case.
Caleb did plead guilty to a charge in Illinois. As a part of his plea, he had to complete a lot programs, therapy, and make restitution. The prosecutors in the case explained to the judge what happened & how the crime was different than Josh's crime. Josh's crime involved young girls under age 12. Caleb's involved a 16 year old that he was in a relationship with at the time, a relationship that I again, don't agree with & do not support his crimes or actions. We had ground rules for this interview so that it was done constructively.
I have to balance my approach to ask the questions you want to know about the case at hand - which is Josh.
Hope that helps!
Katie
Thank you so much for keeping us updated! It was great to hear Caleb's story. Can't wait till tomorrow! 🎉
Perfectly executed Katie💜
Keeping everything crossed for a long long sentence, but can’t lie, I’m so so scared that he’s only going to end up serving a few years 😞 I so so hope I’m wrong 💜💜💜X
Will he be coming back for comment after Josh is sentenced tomorrow?
Katie you did a great job interviewing 👏 👍.
Thank you!
I know Caleb's not perfect, but the difference in owning and taking responsibility between Caleb and Josh is like night and day. I'm proud of Caleb, actually.
Go back and find out his age at the time of his offense.
@@debshaw680 I'm aware. Still not the same level as Josh's repeat offenses.
@@debshaw680 the girl's parents and Caleb's parents should have been arrested for arranging this and supporting it. You make it sound like he raped a random girl.
@@debshaw680 the frontal lobe which is in charge of good decision making does not fully develop until age 26. In addition, Caleb seems to admit what he did was wrong and that he also went through the proper steps to change behavior and not to do it again.
Heather 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 there’s a huge difference in ages, one of the people working on the case said he’d seen some vile things, but some of what josh had were in the top 5 most vile things he’d ever seen in 20 something years of doing his job.
I used to teach so I have memories of some horrible things, I don’t know how people who work in it, tracking down sc** who do it, then sift through evidence…I don’t know how, I couldn’t do it. It’s great that there are people who will go after them. In a perfect world they wouldn’t need to do it
With friends like Duggars, you don’t need enemies. Poor Caleb!
Poor Caleb sued the victim for vististion of the child that happened out of the abuse. Him amd Duggar deserve each other.
Obviously you haven't followed the story on his situation with the girl. She was promised to him to be his bride when she turned 16
@@vixenlynn3980 something is off if a parent says she can marry at 16 and then tuens around and charges him for abuse someone is not telling the truth. It also sounds like this relationship started at 14. According to the unidentified mother, Williams repeatedly had sex with his alleged victim when she was between the ages of 14 and 16
@@shannonbrice8012 Caleb having sex with the girl he was supposed to marry (both sets of parents supported this) does not compare with Josh molesting his sisters, cheating on his wife, and downloading the worst csam on the dark web.
@@stefaniemedina14 if both sets of parents were on board with him having sex with a 14 year old why did they get a restraining order and charge him with sexual abuse? Why didn't they move up the time line of the marriage when she was pregnant amd just say the baby came early?
“They knew what they were doing was wrong.” Exactly, from Josh to Jim Bob and Michelle.
Edit to add that this young man is worth more than the entire Duggar family. His humility and compassion put them to shame, especially Josh and Jim Bob.
@@bethmoore7722 how can you judge the girls like that?
@@pinkiesue849 I did not mention the girls. I mentioned the guilty parties, but I see how my wording could seem otherwise. Thanks for clarifying that.
Thank you for being so honest Caleb, I can’t imagine how shocking this betrayal was.
Apparently not shocking enough to open his eyes.
@@debshaw680 Maybe because he was brainwashed his whole life? sheltered? Very Naive?
The culture he grew up with screwed him up big time.
Caleb, You are a much bigger person than many people would be under under the circumstances that were pretty much forced on you. That you don’t hate any of the people involved says a lot about your character. I hope the best for you in your lifetime. God bless you!
Well said! Caleb acknowledges his past and was certainly in a different situation than Josh. It’s beyond terrible that’s he’s being blamed!
Caleb was very transparent, I can tell his heart aches for the loss of friendship and the loss of a father figure. In time his heart will heal from this betrayal. Wicked people that Josh, JB, and Anna were trying to pin this on him, they will reap what they sow and harvest time is here.
I hope he can move on and realize one day just how evil Jim Bob is and find better people to be involved with in the future. So sad.
Caleb… IT’S OK TO BE ANGRY ABOUT THIS.
And it's OK to process all this and decide NOT to be angry. Let Caleb have his own emotions about all this.
Katie, I am so impressed with this interview. No one could have done this interview better than you have. You kept it focused and on track. You didn't interrupt and kept the questions dignified and precise. You go woman!
I loved every bit of his answers. “I forgive you…forgiveness does not mean trust”. This is what a Christian man is supposed to look like. Honest, upfront about his own mistakes, and forgiving of others even when they show no remorse. He truly just wants the best for everyone.
Thanks Caleb for doing an interview!
God bless Caleb. There is nothing wrong with being an optimist and it is hard sometimes to watch your own back, but I am glad he is setting the record straight for himself.
It’s incredible that Caleb was willing to come on your program and speak his truth. All I can say, is that this interview really speaks to the hold that the teachings of the IBLP has on a person. It just takes a lot of therapy and a lot of time to see your way clear. Hearing his story, makes me respect him so much more for what he did. He was really put out there on a limb all alone.
I am so happy he is coming forward and speaking out
This is my first comment after watching religiously for over a year! I am a nurse and I watch you after every shift. You have more exclusives than the big time reporters and I totally appreciate the work you do. There is nothing I like more than ending a shift, laying in bed and watching the world crash in on that POS. Looking forward to tomorrow!
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for all that you do as a nurse!
Hats off to Caleb Williams! He seems to be such an awesome person. Forgiveness is an important part of healing for anyone including the Duggars when you have faith in God. He is a bigger young man for it. Thanks for getting him on to do the interview. Very nicely done.
What a great interview Katie! I’m so glad we were able to see Caleb‘s side of the story. It made me feel bad that he looked at JB as a father and he wouldn’t even talk to him about the situation. And that Caleb had such nice things to say about Josh but then for Josh to accuse him is so disturbing. I am wishing for the max for Josh, he deserves that and more.
I know Caleb has made mistakes in his past, but I really feel for him because the adults in his life, people he looked up too and respected have really hurt him and let him down. The way he speaks of Jimbob even now compared to how Jimbob treated him with Josh's situation is so sad. The parents of the younger girl he was betrothed too (and that he has said he loved) ripped him away from everything. The Duggars and the IBLP have set this guy up and then knocked him down hard.
He’s a victim too.
I felt that way but then I heard people saying the relationship with his victim started when she was 13. I have a really hard time with that. Has he left the cult? It sounds like he hasn't, but I could be wrong. I feel like the cult absolutely does normalize relationships between minors and adults and if he grew up in this, he may have not understood that it's wrong because it's all he's ever known or seen. That said, after being convicted and educated, if he is still IN the cult, that's concerning
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@@dianavargas9902 thank you for pointing out that I used the wrong spelling of too/to in my comment.
I hope anyone reading my comment understood what I meant with even with my misuse of the word. Your correction has been duly noted by me.
What grace & poise this young man has in spite of the horrendous treatment he has endured by the Duggar’s & his own personal situation. I am amazed. Thank you for giving him a voice. Excellent interview. Wish only the best for Caleb in the future
Wow! Caleb is an amazing young guy! Grace he has! Sufficient grace! God is always on time!
Hello from Sweden!!
I am now addicted to your chanel and I watch every video. You are doing a great job Katie! Thank you so much for all the work and all the time you put in!
This is huge. Its so awesome being able to hear from Caleb.
Katie! This is great. Thank you, and thanks Caleb for your accountability and honesty. My fingers are crossed for some sort of justice tomorrow.
Hello Katie, I appreciate you and all the time and research you take to bring us the information. Thank you 💕🌸💕 Have a great day😊
You are so welcome!
Caleb, I am so sorry about how you were treated by Josh, Anna, and his defense team, etc.
I believe you. And as a Christian I will pray for you.
I am glad you can get your side of the story out!
Thanks, KJ!
Jim Bob is a distasteful human . No low is too low .
Michelle is just as guilty.
If I were Caleb, I would file a defamation case against Josh and Jim Bob.
Great work Katie, and Caleb for giving your side of the story
Thank you!!
Thank you Katie for doing this. Caleb has a very forgiving attitude.
Caleb is already dealing with his past. And now he is dealing with Josh’s crime being placed on him. All these people defending Josh and going along with the blame game are disturbing to me. As a result, Caleb’s reputation will continue to be damaged. He seems to accept responsibility for his past and hopefully he will continue moving in the right direction.
I’m a trusting person, too. I give ppl 100% trust, upfront. If they betray my trust, they won’t get it back. When I say, “I’m done,” I am done!
Thank you Katie Joy. Your presentation of the interview with limits is so good. Caleb is recovering from a horrible situation and for the Duggars to try to frame him for this just shows how black their souls are.
Josh had paid for Videos of children being injured in the worst way and that was the SA and SM on his computer. He was financially supporting the harming of innocent small children.
Katie, I hope it is okay for me to put this so starkly plain on your site. I think that people need to know the depth of evil.
Please remove this if you wish.
I was in my 50s before I finally realized that some people are just evil. It’s a crazy thing that just hit me upside the head, because I was such an easy mark, and I’d think whatever happened was all my fault. I’m done being the pigeon at every poker table, but it took awhile.
In addition, one of the videos is supposed to be very notorious. Most of us learned about this video because of this investigation. It just shows how dark Josh Duggar because it means he actively participated and interacted with this evil long enough to learn about these things. It's not like a normal person will say 'hmm, I want to watch this file" or something. No. This implies familiarity with this evil.
Think of it this way. If you are into .. I don't know.. cooking, you start exploring. At first, it's something simple. How to make an egg omelet. Then, you progress and it's "How to roast a chicken". Then, you progress and you're looking at molecular gastronomy and you are suddenly spending hundreds of dollars on elite cookware and tools. Josh is at that last stage based on the files he had on his computer. It shows advanced knowledge. We should all be frightened that somebody like him could get away for so long with it.
What frightens me more is the fact that Josh is not the only one. These kinds of conservative cultures create a lot of unhealthy people. it's a very abusive culture. Repression and demonization of normal human things such as sex drives can warp people and cause long term damage. For example, Elisabeth Smart was ashamed of being raped as a child and being "impure". Elizabeth Smart was never impure or damaged. Something bad happened. The problem was that the purity culture teachings taught Elizabeth something very wrong. She was the innocent victim and she should have had no thought but.. My mother and father love me and they will help me and and protect me from the bad people.
@@jenniferhunter4074 So well explained. 👍
That was nice....really humanized him, humanized someone who the Duggars desperately tried to vilify.
I'm glad that Caleb decided to share and do this interview. If he were indeed guilty of any of this or even like an accomplice to Josh then I don't think that he'd have been willing to share like this.
Caleb, thank you very much for doing this interview. I know this publicity must be incredibly difficult for you, but as a longtime viewer of 19 Kids and Counting as well as its sequel Counting On, I sincerely appreciate learning the facts. You clearly have chosen to take the high road in this situation, and I wish you the very best now and for your future. You and your family will always be in my prayers!
Caleb seems likable and intelligent enough. I must say I'm disappointed that he didn't mention sorrow for the victims of Josh's crime, instead choosing to focus on the loss of his friendship with Josh. Great interview, Katie.
Katie, I find your videos so informative and you are so professional in delivering the updates. The Duggar trial has been complicated and it is appreciated that you have dedicated so much time on the updates! Thank you!!! Keep up the good work!
Great interview! I wanted to actually hear Caleb's side of it. What a sincere guy. Glad he is not allowing the Duggar clan to take up real estate in his head.
Isn’t it crazy how you think your friends with someone and then they go and turn on you like that? I hope josh gets put away for along time.
This may be what Anna needs to brake away and become independent.
Amazing job, Katie! Thank you. Wow. Caleb took that high road. So proud of that. You handled this so well, Katie. 👏👏🥰
You have my deepest sympathy for having to go through this!!!
I also understand why you were also a victim in this crazy culture. It’s just not fair.
You sound like a very upstanding young man with more grace towards the Duggars than they ever deserve.
Great job Katie! You really hit this one out of the park!
Thank you Katie.. and Welcome Caleb Williams 😊
Kudos to you both for an excellent interview. It was very classy of you, Katie, to treat Caleb so respectfully.
Katie you work so hard to bring us the tea.
And Tea is the most universally popular drink. Yes Katie spills good quality tea!
Wow! What a forgiving young man! It is obvious that he was hurt by the Duggars pointing the finger at him but has chosen to be the better person. Cudos to him for not holding a grudge and forgiving them. I think that can be a very hard thing to do but he seems to be very sincere and mean what he says. A much better representation of JC than some of the Duggsrs.
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LM...TY...one of the few who see thru All the rhetoric of this!...Well said!!...
josh and his attorneys treated caleb with contempt. plain and simple. and again caleb, the DUGGARS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS.
Caleb, it’s apparent that you’re being honest, owning up to your past, doing what’s been required of you regarding your situation, making restitution and child payments, etc. I’m so sorry you were shafted by the Duggars. Just continue on your forward path, keep doing what’s asked, and I pray you wrote a letter to the judge. Good job on the interview!
He seems like such a nice guy, I hope he realizes it's ok to be mad at those people who used him
Wow this is a great interview. He really is so humble and also very respectful to everyone. He even has sympathy and doesn't even hold it against Josh.
Legitimate journalism 👌🏻
I am so sorry this happened to you Caleb. I came on late but I am so glad you are speaking out regarding how the Duggar family tried to take you down to save Josh. You are an amazing human to be able to forgive them.
I feel so bad for him. He really thought these people where his friends. And could accept him for his past. I couldn't imagine someone I considered a friend doing that to me and how hurt he must be. I'm glad that the government was smart enough to see it wasn't him. I hope his life is getting better and he's able to just cut ties with all of the duggars. Cause it's clear they're always going to want to try and blame him.
Thank you for this Katie. I hear a lot of the IBLP brainwashing when I listen to Caleb. I hope he gets therapy to deal with this, what a horrible thing to have to go through.
Great interview. What a thoughtful young man, who seems to have learned from his life experiences. While I don’t share his briefs, I was impressed by his empathy. 👍
I come from the seventies. 16 Was not considered a child. All my high school friends were dating guys 19 and up then. It is very disconcerting when I see someone described as child molester and they are 16. Not cool in this age but I had to mention it.
I have to say, you are right...except for a couple of dates, I personally dated guys 18 or older from the time I was 16 and able to date.
I appreciate your perspective on this. I have 2 much older sisters. I remember 1 dating in the 70's-80's and the other dating in the 80's. Their friends came over with their dates or boyfriends and age was brought up. They were teenage girls, 16 and older with men 18 and older. Nothing felt wrong or dirty or illegal. Several of their friends even married and had children with these men. From what I gather, Caleb was introduced to the young lady that had his child through the cult. They were in a relationship and expected to spend their lives together. I'm not certain of the catalyst that brought him to being charged himself. I know Katie mentioned it, I just don't remember it. I'm sure he felt he must enter into this relationship due to the cult teachings and he was under the impression that nothing was wrong with their age difference also due to the cult teachings. So sad the Duggars felt they had an easy mark to blame this on and I'm glad it didn't stick.
Agree it’s very messed up that they are on the same list as someone as sick as josh Duggar. I truly believe this needs to change. And there should be 2 different list for offenders.
I’m in my fifties, and I totally get where you’re coming from. It was different back then. This scenario is literally a sophomore/junior girl going out with a boy who turns 18 his Senior year. No one ever had a problem with this. And yup, there were plenty of us having s$x at 16!!
Big difference if it’s a 13 year old eighth grader going out with a Senior boy of 18. That I can see being a huge issue.
On the flip side, we were all latch key kids, riding our bikes with no helmets, no seatbelts in the car, and out all day until dinner, fully trusted. With no cell phone, lol. I guess we’re lucky we survived 😆
@@BeachGirl911 well said....that is exactly how it was!!
Thank you, Caleb, for taking the time to talk with Katie.
I really hope he gets the full 20 years. They have put poor Caleb through crap. Jim Bob can't buy Josh's way out of this.
I hope he wrote a letter to the judge about sentencing- Josh’s pushing the blame on someone else is so irresponsible ✌🏽
@Beaver Beater imo it’s that type of pretending to be innocent, blame shifting hurting more innocent people, that I hope gets him a maximum sentence of 20 yrs ✌🏽
It's a level of vicious, depraved amorality that is a feature, not a bug of Joshua James Duggar and his revolting father (and mother) one that appears to be cultivated in and fiercely protected by their cult/religion, the IBLP.
And that's aside from what he's been convicted of, which is a whole 'nother level of beyond evil entirely.
Not naming names or implying anyONE person, but...a few "influencers" could take a lesson from you on how to conduct an interview, and be diplomatic when asking questions. I thank you for the lesson. Well done!! (And this Grandma might be old, but not too old to still be learning)
Caleb, you seem like an open and honest young man. You’ve taken responsibility for your past. We serve a forgiving God, and you are “accepted in the beloved” (Ephesians 1:6-7).
Caleb was very transparent in this interview. It takes a lot of strength and courage for Caleb to keep his secret for so long . I feel so bad for Caleb being treated that way by the duggars .
Josh and Jim Bob always want to blame someone else for THEIR sexual deviancy, be it Women or children "defrauding them" or blaming friends, Caleb or the mystery worker who's never been found but allegedly downloaded the CSM. When they stand before the God they supposedly believe in, they won't be able to lie then 🤷
Well said.
Thanks for this and for not fixing the editing. You did the interview solidly and it is refreshing to NOT see "perfection " every where. Well done 👏🏿
Hey Caleb, I'm a mom who has been through a lot growing up. And I know that you may think you have to remember where you have been now every moment of every day. Believe me you don't. For the most part in life you have to really dig deep into people who give out things too nicely. I can tell you have a really kind heart and I did too. But you need to live your life passed this. None of us do. Please don't drive yourself crazy trying to remember every detail of every day. Godly people can be evil too. Sending so much love from Michigan.
I love how you worded this. Well said 💜.
Great interview Katie and Caleb! Thanks for filling in some blanks, without giving too much information. I’m certain tomorrow will be a big deal for so many people.
Great interview! I’m very impressed with Caleb and his maturity with all that has happened.
Great interview! It was great to hear his side.
I understand Caleb’s forgiveness of the Duggars. We can forgive and yet still hold people accountable. We draw strong boundaries, we speak our truth on the matter & “forgive” for our own peace of mind so that we can move on in a healthy way. It sounds like that’s what Caleb has done.
Love what you said.
I have been intermittently following the Duggar family from the distance of Australia here for years. Caleb, I'm so sorry that you have been dragged into the evil world of the Duggars like this, it is something you don't deserve. Praying for you
NO! This guy is under the radar accepting his behavior! I do not trust his passiveness. It’s not empathetic. It’s heartless! NOT ONE MENTION OF THE VICTIMS! Josh can NEVER GET BETTER! This guy is either naive or ignorant.
Thank you for doing this interview. Caleb is a sweetheart and I wish him nothing but the best.
Poor guy, I hope he in the future will Sue them for throwing him in the middle of this scandal. He made a bad decision and has owned up to it, unlike Josh. I hope Josh gets the maximum time. It just goes to show how deceitful Josh and Jim Bob are!
Caleb is a very likeable guy... The Duggars sure don't deserve his kindness & understanding. Caleb, I'm really rooting for you, buddy.
I hope and pray he actually gets his sentence tomorrow and not another continuous! This debacle needs to be over with! This has been ridiculous!
Maybe if he's sent to a prison far away in another state Anna, over time, and hopefully distance, will adjust to him being gone and she can hopefully move on with her life. If he's imprisoned closer to home and she can visit him often she'll still cling to hope for their marriage and stay more emotionally attached to him. Josh and Anna will be around Jimbob and Michelle's ages now whenever he gets out. How long are they going to continue or be able to support her and her children!
It’s tomorrow???
@@amylege3744 Today, (Wednesday) starting st 9:30 am
Doing this interview, telling ur side, while simultaneously owning ur own mistakes was a really good choice.
Caleb seems very genuine and in my mind a victim too. I know Caleb’s brother is in prison for crimes against children (the details are horrendous but I won’t put them here). We can’t control what people around us do and in no way is his brothers behavior a reflection of him. However, I do think he needs to run FAR away from these people. They can’t seem to not harm children. If he stays in this circle it’s almost a guarantee he’ll get caught up in their web again.
Agreed! He needs to see the cult he is still in, if even only in his mind.
I think Caleb is very sincere. He genuinely loves the Duggars, Josh, and JimBob. It is not in his character to treat people he loves like they have treated him, hence his denial that Josh did this purposefully to him.
Agreed. Good points.
Thank you for doing the interview to both Katie and Caleb. I think it’s commendable how well he is taking things considering all he’s been through with this. He’s very correct about holding onto anger and hurt only causing him pain. I am not convinced Josh will ever change personally but I’d be thrilled if he proved me wrong. Anna really needs to be careful what choices she makes and think through how it all will affect her children. She has a lot of support to leave and I think that she should take them up on the offers. If josh ever changes then she could re consider but she really needs to protect those babies
Wow Katie thanks for this. Thank you Caleb for coming on and for your transparency. I wish you well and that you overcome your nightmare.
So Thank you for the informative talk
They were willing to send him to jail for possibly 40 years and he’s willing to reconcile if they change?! What a forgiving person.
Great interview Katie.
For the concerns/comparisons over the ages difference in Caleb's case vs Josh's behavior... I see it as a genuine fault of the parents of the minor child. Caleb didn't pick her up at a mall, at a camp, church, or all ages night club. This was a betrothal arranged by the adults caring for them both. All parents involved should have been the ones under investigation. I heard earlier they started the grooming process years prior, and they both thought this was normal given the circumstances they grew up in. There were strong expectations of marriage during all of this, and they were basically playing house until she was able to get married. This situation is another by-product of the harmful teachings of this cult.
Josh who was taught that he didn't have to face real consequences... ever, went after his own sisters, assaulted a women while cheating on Anna multiple times, and viewed illegal material involving children/babies. All he learned was how to live a double life, and his biggest supporters were the ones who perpetuated that.
We wonder how some people get in the news about commiting heinous acts, but are able to live a normal life in the public view? We know now how that's possible, and it unfolded in front of our eyes. I hope he gets put away for a very long time, and measures are in place to make sure he is monitored closely when he is released. I hope in the meantime, the ones who have supported this behavior are also being investigated.
There’s no such thing as “non-consensual violent acts against children” . Children are minors, the can’t consent. And even if
a child consented to someone doing a violent act to them it’s irrelevant as they are minors. It’s child ab period.
I suspect the parents went after Caleb with charges to save face in their community about their daughter getting pregnant before marriage.
@@girlonamission1685 thanks, and agreed. Irealized my flub up, but didn't fix it. Will do now.
Well said!
@@beccaallen4107 yes what happened to chaperone
This was awesome. Just enjoyed the hell out of it. He certainly is a forgiving person. Thank you for all your excellent info. You do good work.
Caleb is not perfect and has learned from past mistakes. For the Duggars to try to pin this on him is beyond appalling. For them to claim they're Christians and to bear false witness is going against God. Caleb is very trusting and very forgiving. Caleb acknowledged and worked on himself and lives to do the right thing. Caleb won't say anything bad about any of them but yet horrible things were said about him by them. Caleb may God bless you, and congratulations on working yourself to become a better man.
Thank you for this, Katie.
Forgiveness is a gift we give ourselves to move on, to heal, and to live our lives in grace. It doesn't mean you forget or give those who sinned against you the chance to continue harming you. Caleb has the right idea about living his life fully and in grace. Praying for someone, forgiving their trespasses against you is a way to heal and move on. Well done video and interview!
Great analogy of it I agree this is a mindful healthy mindset to follow
If Caleb was in another state, like Maryland, he would have never been charged. The age of consent is 16. When I was 16, the associate pastor at my church was in his 50’s, had grand kids my age, and was sleeping with a 16 year old from the neighborhood (that didn’t go to church). Nothing ever happened to him, except being forced to step down from pastoral duties. I appreciate that Caleb is actually repentant and recognizes, even though he was guided to be with a teen, that it was wrong. I really enjoyed the interview and your impartiality Katie. I love your channel!
narcissists don't have friends. Katie, could you do a video about how many criminals lead double lives and how "good" they can appear to the rest of us?
Way to go Katie! That was a great interview! Poor guy. I feel so bad for him and what the Duggars have done to him.
Katie, you did a great job interviewing Caleb and questioning him about the information pertinent to Josh’s case. Unlike Josh, Caleb made bad choices, owned them, and is being responsible for his actions. I wish him well and hope he has a great future.
Thank you Katie for all of your hardwork.
Thank you Katie very interesting
You are so welcome!
Great work, KJ. Thanks much.
Caleb so proud of you for taking responsibility for your actions in your life!! I think you are a true Christian guy and you are an amazing guy! Your so right about trust it has to be earned and gained! Keep pressing forward and you will be amazing brown man one day! You are truly amazing to speak on this! Good Luck! God Bless you!🙏🙏🙏🙏
great video katey!!
Wow that's all there is to say thank you for sharing.
How cool that you got him on to tell his side. Hopefully his decision to do so ends up being a net positive for him. Thanks Caleb!
Caleb Williams is a far better person than I will ever be. May he find peace with his decisions and I find him rather an astute and remarkable man. All the best for him and his future.
Wow. Caleb, you are a far more forgiving person than I could ever be. Glad to have heard your side. Best wishes in life, I'm sure you'll go far.
Anyone thinking they planned to take in a person who was a known offender so they could pin Josh's wrong doings on them as he started this downward spiral 20yrs ago.
Katie, you were a fantastic host! You asked great questions. Caleb is definitely a better person than I am. I believe that sometimes religion makes us forgive too fast and then down the road, we realize we were so eager to do the right thing by forgiving, that we dont process the normal emotions that would normally come with a situation like this (anger, appallation, disgust, betrayal, etc). I was raised LDS and still am and I see an internal struggle there that I recognized from my younger self. I always tried to be understanding and put others needs above my own. Only as I got older did I realize that forgiveness didnt mean I had to accept people or even like them. That kid has a big and kind heart. I hope he heals from this and has a good life in spite of everything.
Again, great job!