Molesting sisters isn’t cheating. That said, how can a girlfriend “ make “ their boyfriend cheat in the IBLP if the girlfriend is obligated by their beliefs NOT to satisfy his needs until married? ( not that I agree w/ any of that thinking, but just for argument’s sake.) It literally does not make any sense from any angle. Not that anything in the IBLP makes any sense.
They would likely say she was not modest enough in some way and "awakened desires" in him. My family just recently got free from a very similar situation. (A church that believes pretty much the same as IBLP without really being affiliated with them) we were taught growing up basically that what we wear or how we move our bodies causes men to "stumble" so blaming her would not be a stretch within that cult.
Well, even if they had sex daily..shite people will still cheat and he js a shite person. You could be a supermodel who does everything he wants and he would still think he deserves more. That's a narcissist for ya.
So since Kayleigh didn't spread her legs or get on her knees when she was 14 that caused Josh to do what he did and it was all her fault? This Duggar family is so screwed up
No, they would say that she did something that awakened “desire” in him. Maybe wore an “eye trap” said something suggestive..which in this world could be “I think you are cute 🙃” or walked in a way that attracted him. They wouldnt believe she should be doing anything sexual with him, but would blame her saying it’s her fault he was interested in anyone at all because she must have done something to cause him to “lust”. I was raised in a IFB church, it’s almost always a woman’s fault in the eyes of the leaders of the church. Even if she wasn’t directly involved. Sick.
That is 1 of the most destructive things when raising kids! You really create a monster by never allowing them to take responsibility for their actions.
@@holly5319 I think we might be safe on that end. In these circles that don’t believe in birth control they usually don’t believe in things like IVF so chances are they won’t allow eggs to be frozen
He is, however, if his parents had him real therapy, when therapy would have helped instead of doing hard labor for a family friend off and on for three months, he might have gone down a better road. His parents said that he had treatment, but they lied. Josh was not at the friend's place for the whole three months either. When TLC was filming, Josh went home for filming. It was during the time his head was shaved. Josh didn't even tell his parents what he did. Jill woke up with Josh's hands where they shouldn't have been and ran to her parents. He is the golden child and Jill has been shunned and isn't allowed at the big house. The parents didn't do their part correctly. That part is their fault. Young SA offenders have low recidivism rates if they have treatment through professional mental health providers. Josh made a pond. That was his therapy. That is their fault.
Josh is responsible for his own actions, but every single adult in that family has enabled him and lied for him and protected and even allowed their own small children to be around him KNOWING what he was capable of. Which makes them ALL complicit.
This is one of the most sick and ridiculous things I've ever heard. Plus, how do they explain what this young girl should have done to prevent it when she and Josh aren't even allowed to touch each other until marriage?
I am so glad that girl got away from him. Jimboob and Michelle sicken me with their ignorance and lies. How dare they still call themselves good Christian people!!
Josh m*lests his sisters and a babysitter. Josh cheats on Anna using the Ashley Madison app. Josh gets caught with csam downloaded on his work computer. What’s the common denominator, everybody??? JOSH! Nobody else. Only Josh is responsible. How dare the Duggar’s blame anyone other than Josh. Absolutely vile!
It isn’t that she’s his puppet per say, she’s still in the FOG fear, obligation and guilt and it’ll take a long time if ever to undo that. Plus isn’t her husband on JB payroll so that makes it even harder to leave the fold.
Makes me sick that lots of Christians believe that a man's lust is women's problem. I recently told my dad, during a discussion of modesty and what that means, that his lust isn't my problem. He agreed. My husband, raised IFB, said but ... I said there's no but. If YOUR eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, not make everyone cover up so your eye can't see it.
Not just Christian’s unfortunately. Maybe 6 years ago I read a tweet from an Egyptian lawyer or something similar. He said it was ‘boys and men’s responsible to ra** women and girls dressed ‘immodestly’ 😤😤😤😤😤
Did anyone catch the freudian slip- "she was interested in him, he was interested in us"- this is what they're trained to look for in a wife, her family, not her as a person
Yep. That happens a lot with Bobye. Just like Josh stayed with them in Little Rock - then it was Josh stayed in a dorm someplace else, but would be at their home late at night. Doesn’t make sense
If you are gonna have a rule about being "cheerfully available" as a wife, there needs to be a rule for husbands .... just make sure your wife has really good time, for a long time, every time .
Girl!!! OMG!! Mind is blown and I’m so happy that her parents spoke out. I can’t even imagine ….. I’m disgusted even more of him, and I didn’t think I could, but I stand corrected. Good work, lady! Again, mind blown. Seriously though, Kailey dodged a bullet for sure!!
It is sick and disgusting that anyone would blame the partner regardless of age, of the person who is doing the SAing. It is not at all their fault. My heart hurts for Kaeliegh that she has to deal with this crap and so much more for years. I am glad the Holts are speaking out. I wish they could all find their way out of the IBLP. Someday...someday.
How evil JB and Michelle are. How can they possibly live with themselves. Surely they can't blame Anna. How more available could she be she's had seven kids 🤔
I feel so bad for Kaylee. That's horrible. No child should go through that. It's appalling. I'm so glad the holts are speaking up. That's huge. The leader of the group I was in told us he held all 5 offices: Apostle, prophet, teacher, pastor...; He told us who to vote for, told us to work 2 & 3 jobs. My 2 babies were raised by my teenaged sisters. Sometimes I got to spend time with them on the weekends. We were told we were the chosen, we were going to save the world. We were an elite group of people with a high calling to save the world. We were above it all.
Just start calling him Warren Jeffs! Just another Because that's the creepy feeling I get from J B! Psychopath/sociopath, that needs to be put away or just put down!
That is exactly what I've been thinking. JB has set himself up to be in the IBLP what Warren Jeffs has been to the FDLS. Maybe JB ought to take a look where Warren Jeffs is now.
And I feel his father should be on trial next. So SOOO disgusted with this part of tHe Duggar family. To see how he has continued to be held in such high esteem, and how Jimmy has paraded his narcissistic personality physically makes me sick. Someone who proclaims the Bible teachings in such a purposeful way is beneath the lowest of the low. The Duggars are single handedly destroying the image of Christianity. Hypocrites.
The problem with them blaming Kayleigh for Josh SA-ing his sisters is that Kayleigh wouldn't be allowed to kiss or romantically, physically or s*xually get involved with him since they were not married. Exactly WHAT was she supposed to do to satisfy Josh's desires and perversions, as a young girl who wouldn't even be allowed to hold his hand or be with him alone? It is so obviously ridiculous to outsiders of the cult, but I'm sure they can't see the issues for what they are.
Thank you Katie for going after the IBLP I have always understood that was really what your coverage of the Duggars was about, since I began watching you when you only had 2k subs years ago now. I am a conservative and a christian and people like the Duggars and IBLP make us look like right wing nuts who are not LBGTQ friendly, respect others people's beliefs, when in reality we are none of those things and just want to be able to live the way we are as well. I live in the real world wear shorts and bikinis and listen to music and dance and oh my goodness I have a beer every now and then. Oh the Jesus strike me dead I cuss every now and then, I have friends who are not Christian or conservative, and some that are even trans. They respect my beliefs and I respect WHO THEY ARE the way I believe God made them and and the Christian church needs to have awakening. I was taught from an early age by believe it or not my grandparents who raised me to believe that way because my grandpa's brother was a gay man, and their close friend was a trans woman. My grandfather became friends with her before she transitioned and was still living a lie as a man and worked as a police officer. Imagine what a scandal that was for him to have the bravery to come out in the 80's in a small southern conservative town? My grandparents were the only ones who did not turn their backs on her. She was even forced to stop working as a patrol officer and work as a secretary. I learned from an early age how toxic and harmful some people's beliefs are to people who are just trying to be who they are. Finally I am a Christian woman married to a man but I am also bi and have known that since I started discovering my sexuality. Thank you for standing up to the IBLP and I really hope people realize not all christians or conservatives are anything like them and do not hold hateful beliefs. We just love Jesus and have some beliefs that are different we ask our right to believe be respected and that is it. There are a lot of people just like me who treat all people equally and love everyone and believe Jesus loves everyone and created everyone equal and who made them the way the are and hope that the church changes.
I said it before, I'll say it again. Jb needs to stop slobbering and grinding on his wife in front of those kids flaunting what he gets to do and they can't, then not even allowing them to see females in real life!
Thank you! This has been my biggest pet peeve since I watched their early episodes. The way he paws at his wife and then teases the children about how they aren’t allowed to do the same. Yet. It’s disgusting and the epitome of hypocrisy. This man needs to be toppled from his high horse.
2 Puppies on the couch. They know this is serious conversation. Jill was molested & is punished because she wouldn’t stay quiet. Joy was molested & was never told the real truth. Jessa was molested & seems to be still part of the family? Jinger was molested & escaped the Family, but she has battled an Eating Disorder & now hopefully OK. She still seems frail & only time will tell. Kayleigh was betrothed to Josh & when she & her family found out about what Josh was doing the relationship ended. Some how it was Kayleigh that failed Josh which caused him to do what he did. Seriously what part or parts of this story is it that makes Joshua commit a terrible sin but it’s NEVER his fault. It still isn’t to this day.
I wonder if with Jessa JB spun it as if she were being prepared for her life as a future wife, or some nonsense. Her close relationship with JB is definitely odd, given how the others bolted or were cast out. A big question I have is, what is keeping Jana there?? She knows how her oldest, closest siblings have been SA'd and eventually ostracized, you'd think she'd say no. And if not take up for them, decide it's time to head out on her own. I really wonder why she stays locked in that situation.
Your opening comments, about bad things happening in the dark, will come to the light, is so very true, thats one of the things I live by, and I've never been wrong yet. THE TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS!!!
The thing is though, we wouldn’t know if a bad thing had been hidden and never came to light because it would be hidden and never come to light. It’s confirmation bias to only see the bad things that do get exposed. Unfortunately there’s plenty of horrible bad things that people never get held accountable for and never come to light
Think about how Anna was really primed during the Ashely Madison scandal to take the blame for Josh’s “sins”. And Anna claims she knew about the earlier events before they got married. This woman has had it be her life’s mission to “fix” Josh. This prison sentence is an escalation within the cult, she’s passed many tests before-no wonder she hasn’t left yet.
What?! OK I'm listening. OMG. As someone who was molested by my older brother along with my sister 2 yrs older than me the fear was always that we would be blamed and we would be in trouble because that's what we were being told by him. When it finally came out we were blamed at first. Then others with a clearer head came to our rescue. This situation feels the same. Always the girls fault. It's the most horrible thing you can hear.
These people don’t understand CSA at all. I remember in an interview Michelle said after what Josh did to his sisters they had the boys stop changing the girl diapers. Like that was going to fix what his issues were 🙄
Let's call it what it is, it's incest and molestation. I am sick over them blaming a CHILD over what Josh did. That's something my bio-mother who has narcissistic borderline personality disorder would do to me. Children are NOT important to these people. They're used. In every way. Just sick!!
@@railwaychristina3192 25 years and loving from a very long distance. No contact, no intent from either side to contact, I forgave her and I'm not looking back. Christina, we on our way babe!! Good work!! I'm so proud of you!!
@@faegrrrl ditto! It is also very interesting that the goldenchild sibling has now had to get real about her relationship with narcmom, now that the scapegoat has disappeared. Much healthier for all concerned. Hugs to you from the UK xx
Is there any surprise JB turned out to be the father he is when his own father was a kind of con artist? He may have adopted the Christian life persona, but he grew up learning how to manipulate at his father’s knee.
The best thing that ever happened to Kalie was the Duggars breaking her and Josh up! She dodged a HUGE bullet! I am SO sorry for that burden that they made her carry! It is NOT her fault! ALL of this belongs to Josh and Josh ALONE! Then, his parents for there absolutely WRONG way of “not” handling it properly!
I think the main issues are the issues of consent- infidelity vs assault/rape are very different. Also the age factor- his age vs children. Lastly, the family factor- strangers vs family members. I don’t feel comfortable with anyone blurring any of those lines!
If Josh murdered someone duggar would say it was the victims fault.. how they can take no responsibility for any actions and blame everybody else for their wrong doings is so dangerous , to call sa cheating is absolutely so wrong on so many levels ..
If the Duggars, particularily Jim Bob, keep this stuff up, the lawsuits against the Duggars will come like massive pouring rain during a intense thunderstorm. For there more than enough people who know Jim Bob and his family that cannot be bought, not with anything and not at any price. And, if Anna's parents were like Kaylie's parents, they would have told Anna to run from Josh and not look back as soon as she found out about what Josh did to his sisters. All this stuff that has been coming out about Josh Duggar alone, from what happened in 2003 to the Ashley Madison scandal to the trial that led to Josh's conviction with federal prison sentence, it will get more and more difficult for Jim Bob to maintain the image that he has created for himself and his family. And, I would not be surprised in the least to hear that charges get brought on Jim Bob himself and to see him go to prison too. Personally, I deeply feel that with Jim Bob, it is not a matter of if that stuff will happen, but when it will happen.
*SOOOOOOOOOO* interesting to learn the back story behind this infamous letter. Thank goodness for journalling & letter-writing, without that letter there may have been no justice done at all for the victims of the Duggars' abuse of others, especially Josh.
I am a psychologist, and I have treated SA offenders and victims. The most frustrating situations are when parents of underage offenders refuse to allow their kids to participate in treatment because one of the main tenets of the treatment is that the offender must, must take responsibility, and must learn healthy means of understanding their own physical needs. We just tell the parents, in a matter-of-fact tone, that they are thereby hanging their kid out to dry, because not participating genuinely and fully, in treatment, means that the DA's office will likely come after their kid with everything they have. The parents (usually a certain religious type) are shocked that they can't just opt out of responsibility. I would like to give a caveat that I attend church weekly, so I am not anti-relgious. I am simply on team 'honesty and accountability'.
"The parents (usually a certain religious type) are shocked that they can't just opt out of responsibility." This is a great observation, well stated. Its almost as though they think they're under some supernatural umbrella of protection because of their beliefs, like they think they're favored by God itself because of their piety. They've submitted to a theology and now life has to work out for them, according to their theology.
Ugh! This cult is Unfreakingbelievable! Your reporting on this mess is so valuable- may be uncomfortable for some to hear, but hey, it's for the Greater Good!! Keep on shining your light, Katie! Love the work you are doing- the cycle of abuse needs to be broken!
I totally listened and enjoyed this video. Thanks for the research! I gotta say though your pups were so adorable you can tell how much they love being in there with you! The one on the right omg so adorable stretching and laying with his tummy up completely cozy and all! So cute!
I'm sickened that a young girl was blamed. Although I'm happy that the Holts are speaking out, I cannot fathom why they didn't prior to this. Children's lives were at stake. I'm very perplexed.
This make me dislike Jessa even more...Her singing her dad's praises and not sticking buy Jill, just so she can keep getting Daddys money because she has no skills and her husband has a joke of a job in the same cult.
Great video, Katie. Your deep knowledge of the Duggars and their network is unrivaled. I love how you wove news and analysis into this video. Thanks so much for the coverage and for keeping the focus on the larger issues of the cult and not just Duggar gossip. I watch often and rarely comment, but this was one of your best videos. 🙌
I'm happy you're covering this.. I grew up in a family that holds this belief system. I can tell you first hand it attracts covert narcissists, predominantly males like a magnet.. this "religion" is the absolute best medium for a covert narcissist to hide behind. I know how they talk, I know how they believe, I know how they think because I've lived it. You might want to bring attention to identifying the traits of a covert narcissist.. most of their influence comes through in a feeling vs. spoken.. I could write a book on covert narcissism and it's effects on the wife and kids.
One of the 10 Commandments is: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." (Exodus 20.16 KJV) It sounds like they have broken this Commandment.
Dang! I can't imagine under any stretch of the imagination how Kaeleigh could possibly be responsible for what Josh did. She's indirectly responsible for outing him, though that was never her intent, but to say that she was the reason that Josh m*l*st*d his sisters... That's beyond despicable. The poor girl.
So when you are courting you have strict parameters about physical contact. So how do you justify SA / inappropriate touching to other girls when the girls you are dating aren't allowed physical contact? 🤔 This whole mentality and blame game is so bizarre, sickening and criminal.
These people are so messed up. Thank you for calling them out! I can't believe they think they have a right to get into government and shove this nonsense down our throats. 🤬🤬🤬
I’m personally very happy that you talk about this cult. Sadly, it’s organizations like this that are the face of Christianity in America and it needs to be brought to light what is going on.
You are so right about this being important because these groups want to return to a misogynistic /archaic past. I've always been surprised the duggers didn't have a menstrual shed, the way they view women. Holt was a juvenile SO chaplain? Did they have that many or was their idea of a SO skewed? Neither would shock me. Probably in between
Stuff like this is why I think organized religion is disgusting. Also, blaming “Liberals” or any political group for your bad behavior is just as bad as any religion that victim blames.
One of your best videos, Katie Joy! Thank you so much for speaking out against this cult! Well said! The Duggars really are all about blaming other people when things go wrong. Thank you for this commentary.
Good investigating Katie. It is awesome that maybe even if you can protect one innocent individual from getting sucked into this twisted form of abuse you have changed the world. This world today needs more people like you
This is sick. Cheating is a 2 way street: the girls were minors and could not consent in any way. Also, how does the girlfriend make you cheat? All excuses to let Josh do what he wants.
The main problem today is that people will cancel anyone with whom they disagree on a particular issue. How did people come to believe that you can only associate with those who share your beliefs across the board? Unfortunately for these individuals, there is no one who share every single belief they have. If you have this mindset, you will have a very lonely life
I'm interested in watching the full interview/chat the Holts were having, that you included clips of. Do you have a link for us? Thanks so much Katie love you like always in Alberta, Canada
Molesting sisters isn’t cheating. That said, how can a girlfriend “ make “ their boyfriend cheat in the IBLP if the girlfriend is obligated by their beliefs NOT to satisfy his needs until married? ( not that I agree w/ any of that thinking, but just for argument’s sake.) It literally does not make any sense from any angle. Not that anything in the IBLP makes any sense.
The victims were all very young. They did not consent to this abuse. Josh was solely to blame for these crimes.
They would likely say she was not modest enough in some way and "awakened desires" in him. My family just recently got free from a very similar situation. (A church that believes pretty much the same as IBLP without really being affiliated with them) we were taught growing up basically that what we wear or how we move our bodies causes men to "stumble" so blaming her would not be a stretch within that cult.
@@rebeccadonald204 I see. So creepy. I’m so glad you and your family escaped.
@@truffles2721 I agree with you.
Well, even if they had sex daily..shite people will still cheat and he js a shite person. You could be a supermodel who does everything he wants and he would still think he deserves more. That's a narcissist for ya.
So since Kayleigh didn't spread her legs or get on her knees when she was 14 that caused Josh to do what he did and it was all her fault? This Duggar family is so screwed up
No, they would say that she did something that awakened “desire” in him. Maybe wore an “eye trap” said something suggestive..which in this world could be “I think you are cute 🙃” or walked in a way that attracted him. They wouldnt believe she should be doing anything sexual with him, but would blame her saying it’s her fault he was interested in anyone at all because she must have done something to cause him to “lust”.
I was raised in a IFB church, it’s almost always a woman’s fault in the eyes of the leaders of the church. Even if she wasn’t directly involved. Sick.
No wonder Josh doesn't take any responsibility for his actions, his parents give him permission to blame everybody else for his atrocious Behavior!
Yeah, but he's 34 now and a father himself.
Their religious lack of values gives him permission along with every other man who claims the sick beliefs
That is 1 of the most destructive things when raising kids! You really create a monster by never allowing them to take responsibility for their actions.
In there faith men are equal to GOD
Specifically-the women he’s with. It’s so insane. But, yes, this is exactly what they believe.
Only Josh is responsible for his own actions.
@@holly5319 😂 lol, more holes for Josh to dig for himself
@@holly5319 I think we might be safe on that end. In these circles that don’t believe in birth control they usually don’t believe in things like IVF so chances are they won’t allow eggs to be frozen
He is, however, if his parents had him real therapy, when therapy would have helped instead of doing hard labor for a family friend off and on for three months, he might have gone down a better road. His parents said that he had treatment, but they lied. Josh was not at the friend's place for the whole three months either. When TLC was filming, Josh went home for filming. It was during the time his head was shaved.
Josh didn't even tell his parents what he did. Jill woke up with Josh's hands where they shouldn't have been and ran to her parents. He is the golden child and Jill has been shunned and isn't allowed at the big house. The parents didn't do their part correctly. That part is their fault. Young SA offenders have low recidivism rates if they have treatment through professional mental health providers. Josh made a pond. That was his therapy. That is their fault.
@@kessiawright1710 Good point, Jim Bob and Michelle failed to not only to protect their children but also, to get Josh the required therapy.
Josh is responsible for his own actions, but every single adult in that family has enabled him and lied for him and protected and even allowed their own small children to be around him KNOWING what he was capable of. Which makes them ALL complicit.
This is one of the most sick and ridiculous things I've ever heard. Plus, how do they explain what this young girl should have done to prevent it when she and Josh aren't even allowed to touch each other until marriage?
I am so glad that girl got away from him. Jimboob and Michelle sicken me with their ignorance and lies. How dare they still call themselves good Christian people!!
How dare they call themselves *Christian* _at all!_ 🤮
I love it, jimboob!
@@lorifoster6777 I love Jimboob too! I have called him JimmyBobby but I am switching to Jimboob because it is much better.
Josh m*lests his sisters and a babysitter.
Josh cheats on Anna using the Ashley Madison app.
Josh gets caught with csam downloaded on his work computer.
What’s the common denominator, everybody???
JOSH! Nobody else. Only Josh is responsible. How dare the Duggar’s blame anyone other than Josh. Absolutely vile!
A truly repugnant person
Absolutely agree with you…it’s been Josh’s fault and he is sick!!!!
So true..all these things he did and only him. No one forced him to do any of these things. Not anyone's fault but his..uugh feel bad for her.
Can someone please tell me what CSMA stands for
Anna was not lucky enough to have parents like Josh's first girlfriend.
So true
Her parents all but sold her to the Duggars
I think there's more then one pervert in that family.....
I think you are right
I think Jim Bob has some skeletons. For SURE.
Oh definitely!!
Yep. The creep factor is palpable
The Duggars Gaslit the Holts!!!!!!!!
What the 🤬 …I had to read this title 5 times and I still can’t wrap my head around this insanity…
It has a “Wait, What? quality about it!
The Duggars are so messed up.
What does your shirt say?
TLC should just give them their show back for the second time, with another new name.
So much to digest, good grief, that poor girl. Rather disgusting, all of it.
Jessa might want to edit her praise of her dad. Who am I kidding? She’s JB’s puppet.
Exactly why I stopped following her she had been my favorite bow I rather see Jill and Jinger
I am starting to wonder what type of relationship she has with her Dad. 🤔 If SA is such the norm with these people.....
@@lunareclipse3242 I agree
It isn’t that she’s his puppet per say, she’s still in the FOG fear, obligation and guilt and it’ll take a long time if ever to undo that. Plus isn’t her husband on JB payroll so that makes it even harder to leave the fold.
Horrible! That poor girl. Seems that she's another victim of his.
Thanks for the coverage!
This goes to show KJs channel is not about the Duggars. It's just a fact the Duggars are the perfect exemplar of how destructive the IBLP is.
I love how you give us the background. Information is power.
I think there are a lot more sick secrets in JimBob's house and other IBLP homes.
Makes me sick that lots of Christians believe that a man's lust is women's problem. I recently told my dad, during a discussion of modesty and what that means, that his lust isn't my problem. He agreed. My husband, raised IFB, said but ... I said there's no but. If YOUR eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, not make everyone cover up so your eye can't see it.
Not just Christian’s unfortunately. Maybe 6 years ago I read a tweet from an Egyptian lawyer or something similar. He said it was ‘boys and men’s responsible to ra** women and girls dressed ‘immodestly’ 😤😤😤😤😤
Amen!
Did anyone catch the freudian slip- "she was interested in him, he was interested in us"- this is what they're trained to look for in a wife, her family, not her as a person
Yep. That happens a lot with Bobye. Just like Josh stayed with them in Little Rock - then it was Josh stayed in a dorm someplace else, but would be at their home late at night. Doesn’t make sense
So does that mean in IBLP world that if a guy marries a girl, that guy has some level of "authority" over his wife's family?
They blame Anna for the affairs in Washington and now. She didn't make herself available for him.
Poor anna she was heavily pregnant with Josh 4th child. She probably just didn’t feel up to it. She may have been available but it wasn’t joyfully
If you are gonna have a rule about being "cheerfully available" as a wife, there needs to be a rule for husbands .... just make sure your wife has really good time, for a long time, every time .
She has 7 Fricken kids...obviously he isn't deprived.
Girl!!! OMG!! Mind is blown and I’m so happy that her parents spoke out. I can’t even imagine ….. I’m disgusted even more of him, and I didn’t think I could, but I stand corrected. Good work, lady! Again, mind blown. Seriously though, Kailey dodged a bullet for sure!!
Framing this as cheating.....I can't quite process that one.
It is sick and disgusting that anyone would blame the partner regardless of age, of the person who is doing the SAing. It is not at all their fault. My heart hurts for Kaeliegh that she has to deal with this crap and so much more for years. I am glad the Holts are speaking out. I wish they could all find their way out of the IBLP. Someday...someday.
The Holts are out of it.
This☝🏻
How evil JB and Michelle are. How can they possibly live with themselves. Surely they can't blame Anna. How more available could she be she's had seven kids 🤔
In their view, only god can be crimed against.
@@wireartbysini if there is a God he/she would be striking them down with lightning bolts but there again maybe God is.
The list of people responsible for Josh's downfall just keeps getting longer and longer.
It's never Josh's fault. He was railroaded.
I feel so bad for Kaylee. That's horrible. No child should go through that. It's appalling. I'm so glad the holts are speaking up. That's huge.
The leader of the group I was in told us he held all 5 offices: Apostle, prophet, teacher, pastor...; He told us who to vote for, told us to work 2 & 3 jobs. My 2 babies were raised by my teenaged sisters. Sometimes I got to spend time with them on the weekends.
We were told we were the chosen, we were going to save the world. We were an elite group of people with a high calling to save the world. We were above it all.
Omg! 😢 I’m sorry you had to go through that💙
JW?
It's sick that they consider Josh's abuse of his sisters as "cheating" on Kayleigh.
These people are evil… so disgusting
Despicable is not a strong enough word
The cult teaches them to condone deviantcy.
More than evil! They are dark dark people. So evil
Let's just pray Josh left his children alone.
I hope so, too. But I don't think that's what happened. I don't have any proof
I don’t believe there is any boundary that he won’t cross.
Unfortunately I don’t see how someone like Josh could’ve refrained from that. I feel so sorry for his children 😔
Not a snowballs chance in hell that he didn't...
I doubt it, seriously
Just start calling him Warren Jeffs!
Just another
Because that's the creepy feeling I get from J B! Psychopath/sociopath, that needs to be put away or just put down!
That is exactly what I've been thinking. JB has set himself up to be in the IBLP what Warren Jeffs has been to the FDLS. Maybe JB ought to take a look where Warren Jeffs is now.
Jim Bob actually has done better than his dad. He's become a better con man.
My thoughts exactly!!!
Aaaannnnnddddd that’s why Josh is going to prison for over a decade. Their “precious lil boy” was never held accountable for anything he did
And I feel his father should be on trial next. So SOOO disgusted with this part of tHe Duggar family. To see how he has continued to be held in such high esteem, and how Jimmy has paraded his narcissistic personality physically makes me sick. Someone who proclaims the Bible teachings in such a purposeful way is beneath the lowest of the low. The Duggars are single handedly destroying the image of Christianity. Hypocrites.
The problem with them blaming Kayleigh for Josh SA-ing his sisters is that Kayleigh wouldn't be allowed to kiss or romantically, physically or s*xually get involved with him since they were not married. Exactly WHAT was she supposed to do to satisfy Josh's desires and perversions, as a young girl who wouldn't even be allowed to hold his hand or be with him alone?
It is so obviously ridiculous to outsiders of the cult, but I'm sure they can't see the issues for what they are.
Abuse is the fault of the perpetrator.
They blame everybody BUT Josh!
This has been, in my opinion, the most eye opening piece you have done. It makes so much sense.
Thank you Katie for going after the IBLP I have always understood that was really what your coverage of the Duggars was about, since I began watching you when you only had 2k subs years ago now. I am a conservative and a christian and people like the Duggars and IBLP make us look like right wing nuts who are not LBGTQ friendly, respect others people's beliefs, when in reality we are none of those things and just want to be able to live the way we are as well. I live in the real world wear shorts and bikinis and listen to music and dance and oh my goodness I have a beer every now and then. Oh the Jesus strike me dead I cuss every now and then, I have friends who are not Christian or conservative, and some that are even trans. They respect my beliefs and I respect WHO THEY ARE the way I believe God made them and and the Christian church needs to have awakening. I was taught from an early age by believe it or not my grandparents who raised me to believe that way because my grandpa's brother was a gay man, and their close friend was a trans woman. My grandfather became friends with her before she transitioned and was still living a lie as a man and worked as a police officer. Imagine what a scandal that was for him to have the bravery to come out in the 80's in a small southern conservative town? My grandparents were the only ones who did not turn their backs on her. She was even forced to stop working as a patrol officer and work as a secretary. I learned from an early age how toxic and harmful some people's beliefs are to people who are just trying to be who they are. Finally I am a Christian woman married to a man but I am also bi and have known that since I started discovering my sexuality. Thank you for standing up to the IBLP and I really hope people realize not all christians or conservatives are anything like them and do not hold hateful beliefs. We just love Jesus and have some beliefs that are different we ask our right to believe be respected and that is it. There are a lot of people just like me who treat all people equally and love everyone and believe Jesus loves everyone and created everyone equal and who made them the way the are and hope that the church changes.
I wonder what JB is hiding maybe he’s worried some of his dirty little secrets are gonna come out
oooh yuk! I hope not!
Yeah, I’ve always thought JB is a predator like his son. Not saying it’s with his girls but he is hiding something about himself.
Yuck! You are right, what if he has more to hide?
I hate how Jim Bob looks at his wife it’s like his trying to look down her shirt 🤮
I said it before, I'll say it again. Jb needs to stop slobbering and grinding on his wife in front of those kids flaunting what he gets to do and they can't, then not even allowing them to see females in real life!
Thank you! This has been my biggest pet peeve since I watched their early episodes. The way he paws at his wife and then teases the children about how they aren’t allowed to do the same. Yet. It’s disgusting and the epitome of hypocrisy. This man needs to be toppled from his high horse.
That poor girl. The whole community scapegoated her. That must have done some real emotional damage to her.
2 Puppies on the couch. They know this is serious conversation. Jill was molested & is punished because she wouldn’t stay quiet. Joy was molested & was never told the real truth. Jessa was molested & seems to be still part of the family? Jinger was molested & escaped the Family, but she has battled an Eating Disorder & now hopefully OK. She still seems frail & only time will tell. Kayleigh was betrothed to Josh & when she & her family found out about what Josh was doing the relationship ended. Some how it was Kayleigh that failed Josh which caused him to do what he did. Seriously what part or parts of this story is it that makes Joshua commit a terrible sin but it’s NEVER his fault. It still isn’t to this day.
Thank God the Holt's protected their daughter! No one is protecting Anna.... she is so indoctrinated and can't escape the blame!
I wonder if with Jessa JB spun it as if she were being prepared for her life as a future wife, or some nonsense. Her close relationship with JB is definitely odd, given how the others bolted or were cast out. A big question I have is, what is keeping Jana there?? She knows how her oldest, closest siblings have been SA'd and eventually ostracized, you'd think she'd say no. And if not take up for them, decide it's time to head out on her own. I really wonder why she stays locked in that situation.
One day someone will toss JimBob and Michelle under the bus.. Their day is coming.
💯 The Chrisleys just finally had to face the music … charged and convicted. The Duggers’ are next!
I’m waiting for that day it’s a comin…
Your opening comments, about bad things happening in the dark, will come to the light, is so very true, thats one of the things I live by, and I've never been wrong yet.
THE TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS!!!
The thing is though, we wouldn’t know if a bad thing had been hidden and never came to light because it would be hidden and never come to light. It’s confirmation bias to only see the bad things that do get exposed. Unfortunately there’s plenty of horrible bad things that people never get held accountable for and never come to light
No wonder some are moving away & Jana needs to get out
Yes I agree Jana needs to move out ~ I wonder what the young girls think about their older brothers. I mean the younger girls look so unhappy
The dog is so cute. Glad we got to see the pup!!
Positive vibes to you
Think about how Anna was really primed during the Ashely Madison scandal to take the blame for Josh’s “sins”. And Anna claims she knew about the earlier events before they got married. This woman has had it be her life’s mission to “fix” Josh. This prison sentence is an escalation within the cult, she’s passed many tests before-no wonder she hasn’t left yet.
Thanks Katie for all your good reporting. Loved seeing the two dogs. I didn't know you had two dogs.
What?! OK I'm listening. OMG. As someone who was molested by my older brother along with my sister 2 yrs older than me the fear was always that we would be blamed and we would be in trouble because that's what we were being told by him. When it finally came out we were blamed at first. Then others with a clearer head came to our rescue.
This situation feels the same. Always the girls fault. It's the most horrible thing you can hear.
I'm sorry for what happened to you 😔
These people can't get any lower disgusting.
The Duggars
Thank you Dasha Nichols for having some intelligence and contacting the hotline about the letter.
These people don’t understand CSA at all. I remember in an interview Michelle said after what Josh did to his sisters they had the boys stop changing the girl diapers. Like that was going to fix what his issues were 🙄
Let's call it what it is, it's incest and molestation. I am sick over them blaming a CHILD over what Josh did. That's something my bio-mother who has narcissistic borderline personality disorder would do to me.
Children are NOT important to these people. They're used. In every way. Just sick!!
Lizbet. My BPD narc mom blamed me for everything...6 years no contact. Sanity returned. I recommend it!
@@railwaychristina3192 25 years and loving from a very long distance. No contact, no intent from either side to contact, I forgave her and I'm not looking back.
Christina, we on our way babe!! Good work!! I'm so proud of you!!
@@faegrrrl ditto! It is also very interesting that the goldenchild sibling has now had to get real about her relationship with narcmom, now that the scapegoat has disappeared. Much healthier for all concerned. Hugs to you from the UK xx
Is there any surprise JB turned out to be the father he is when his own father was a kind of con artist? He may have adopted the Christian life persona, but he grew up learning how to manipulate at his father’s knee.
The best thing that ever happened to Kalie was the Duggars breaking her and Josh up! She dodged a HUGE bullet! I am SO sorry for that burden that they made her carry! It is NOT her fault! ALL of this belongs to Josh and Josh ALONE! Then, his parents for there absolutely WRONG way of “not” handling it properly!
I think the main issues are the issues of consent- infidelity vs assault/rape are very different. Also the age factor- his age vs children. Lastly, the family factor- strangers vs family members. I don’t feel comfortable with anyone blurring any of those lines!
WOW This is so gross. Don't stop reporting this stuff. It's Ike you keep adding pieces to a Gigantic puzzle. Great job KJ.
If Josh murdered someone duggar would say it was the victims fault.. how they can take no responsibility for any actions and blame everybody else for their wrong doings is so dangerous , to call sa cheating is absolutely so wrong on so many levels ..
If the Duggars, particularily Jim Bob, keep this stuff up, the lawsuits against the Duggars will come like massive pouring rain during a intense thunderstorm. For there more than enough people who know Jim Bob and his family that cannot be bought, not with anything and not at any price. And, if Anna's parents were like Kaylie's parents, they would have told Anna to run from Josh and not look back as soon as she found out about what Josh did to his sisters. All this stuff that has been coming out about Josh Duggar alone, from what happened in 2003 to the Ashley Madison scandal to the trial that led to Josh's conviction with federal prison sentence, it will get more and more difficult for Jim Bob to maintain the image that he has created for himself and his family. And, I would not be surprised in the least to hear that charges get brought on Jim Bob himself and to see him go to prison too. Personally, I deeply feel that with Jim Bob, it is not a matter of if that stuff will happen, but when it will happen.
I truly hope that Jimmy is held accountable for his part in this years long disaster.
The IBLP is almost like a polygamous cult
*SOOOOOOOOOO* interesting to learn the back story behind this infamous letter. Thank goodness for journalling & letter-writing, without that letter there may have been no justice done at all for the victims of the Duggars' abuse of others, especially Josh.
I am a psychologist, and I have treated SA offenders and victims. The most frustrating situations are when parents of underage offenders refuse to allow their kids to participate in treatment because one of the main tenets of the treatment is that the offender must, must take responsibility, and must learn healthy means of understanding their own physical needs. We just tell the parents, in a matter-of-fact tone, that they are thereby hanging their kid out to dry, because not participating genuinely and fully, in treatment, means that the DA's office will likely come after their kid with everything they have. The parents (usually a certain religious type) are shocked that they can't just opt out of responsibility. I would like to give a caveat that I attend church weekly, so I am not anti-relgious. I am simply on team 'honesty and accountability'.
"The parents (usually a certain religious type) are shocked that they can't just opt out of responsibility."
This is a great observation, well stated.
Its almost as though they think they're under some supernatural umbrella of protection because of their beliefs, like they think they're favored by God itself because of their piety. They've submitted to a theology and now life has to work out for them, according to their theology.
Keep digging, keep reporting. This story has far reaching tentacles that need to be exposed. This is huge! Thank you!
This is so absolutely sickening! I want to throw up
Ugh! This cult is Unfreakingbelievable! Your reporting on this mess is so valuable- may be uncomfortable for some to hear, but hey, it's for the Greater Good!! Keep on shining your light, Katie! Love the work you are doing- the cycle of abuse needs to be broken!
I totally listened and enjoyed this video. Thanks for the research! I gotta say though your pups were so adorable you can tell how much they love being in there with you! The one on the right omg so adorable stretching and laying with his tummy up completely cozy and all! So cute!
They don’t practice what they preach!
It just gets sicker and sicker!
I'm sickened that a young girl was blamed. Although I'm happy that the Holts are speaking out, I cannot fathom why they didn't prior to this. Children's lives were at stake. I'm very perplexed.
This make me dislike Jessa even more...Her singing her dad's praises and not sticking buy Jill, just so she can keep getting Daddys money because she has no skills and her husband has a joke of a job in the same cult.
Thank you once again bobye holt for speaking out! I have every respect for you!
Wow! Just wow! Sooo sad. Thanks for exposing this. Omg! So heartbreaking
Great video, Katie. Your deep knowledge of the Duggars and their network is unrivaled. I love how you wove news and analysis into this video. Thanks so much for the coverage and for keeping the focus on the larger issues of the cult and not just Duggar gossip. I watch often and rarely comment, but this was one of your best videos. 🙌
I'm happy you're covering this.. I grew up in a family that holds this belief system. I can tell you first hand it attracts covert narcissists, predominantly males like a magnet.. this "religion" is the absolute best medium for a covert narcissist to hide behind. I know how they talk, I know how they believe, I know how they think because I've lived it. You might want to bring attention to identifying the traits of a covert narcissist.. most of their influence comes through in a feeling vs. spoken.. I could write a book on covert narcissism and it's effects on the wife and kids.
Love your so chill poppers! They made me smile throughout despite how despicable the subject matter showing even more how evil the Duggars are.
One of the 10 Commandments is: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." (Exodus 20.16 KJV) It sounds like they have broken this Commandment.
All in all - I think they have broken all 10 of them
So when will CPS come to take the girls from this family.
Dang! I can't imagine under any stretch of the imagination how Kaeleigh could possibly be responsible for what Josh did. She's indirectly responsible for outing him, though that was never her intent, but to say that she was the reason that Josh m*l*st*d his sisters... That's beyond despicable. The poor girl.
Hey sweetie popped in today too ❤️ must be a comfy couch. 💤
The pup is clearly fuming about the IBLP!
So basically this group thinks molesting children is okay, just blame someone eles for your action's. That's crazy AF !
So when you are courting you have strict parameters about physical contact. So how do you justify SA / inappropriate touching to other girls when the girls you are dating aren't allowed physical contact? 🤔 This whole mentality and blame game is so bizarre, sickening and criminal.
These people are so messed up. Thank you for calling them out! I can't believe they think they have a right to get into government and shove this nonsense down our throats. 🤬🤬🤬
The people that worship Warren Jeffs still worship him and don’t believe he’s guilty either 🤦🏻♀️
I’m personally very happy that you talk about this cult. Sadly, it’s organizations like this that are the face of Christianity in America and it needs to be brought to light what is going on.
One issue confused about is on the Kelly Files while interviewing Jim Bob & Michelle, they say the girls & Josh got professional counseling???
Didn’t happen
Another Dugger lie!
Interesting ok thanks Katie
You are so right about this being important because these groups want to return to a misogynistic /archaic past. I've always been surprised the duggers didn't have a menstrual shed, the way they view women. Holt was a juvenile SO chaplain? Did they have that many or was their idea of a SO skewed? Neither would shock me. Probably in between
Handmaids Tale, anyone?
@@karenparsons9083 under his eye.... big time, cut off your finger for reading vibes
Stuff like this is why I think organized religion is disgusting. Also, blaming “Liberals” or any political group for your bad behavior is just as bad as any religion that victim blames.
One of your best videos, Katie Joy! Thank you so much for speaking out against this cult! Well said! The Duggars really are all about blaming other people when things go wrong. Thank you for this commentary.
Good investigating Katie. It is awesome that maybe even if you can protect one innocent individual from getting sucked into this twisted form of abuse you have changed the world. This world today needs more people like you
Where can we hear the full interview with the Holts?
Once again, I see so many parallels between this and the wider world.
This is sick. Cheating is a 2 way street: the girls were minors and could not consent in any way. Also, how does the girlfriend make you cheat? All excuses to let Josh do what he wants.
Hi Frida!! She woke up & was looking at you, but it looked like she was looking at the camera!!
The main problem today is that people will cancel anyone with whom they disagree on a particular issue. How did people come to believe that you can only associate with those who share your beliefs across the board? Unfortunately for these individuals, there is no one who share every single belief they have. If you have this mindset, you will have a very lonely life
Love seeing your furbabies in the background!
I'm interested in watching the full interview/chat the Holts were having, that you included clips of. Do you have a link for us? Thanks so much Katie love you like always in Alberta, Canada
Bobye commented on a few of my comments the other day I was so honored 🎖 love her!
I swear this is just like polygamy
Polygamy seems wholesome in comparison doesn’t it?
Unrelated but @20:16 your dog really said “don’t mind me…”
He started SA his sisters around age 12. How can you blame a 14 year old girl for something that happened before they were “dating”? So insane 😤
Your dog is smiling in the background 25:04, I love it