Ancient Fuse Boxes - Is It Time For An Upgrade?
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- When is it time to Upgrade a Fuse board? In today's video, Luke and Reuben will be performing an Fuse board upgrade and also performing a fault find that leads to interesting results... Leave a like, subscribe and enjoy the video. 👍
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⏱️Timestamps
00:00 - Introduction
00:13 - The history of consumer units
01:36 - Apprentice at work
04:44 - Reasons to upgrade your fuse board
07:16 - Some HOT working conditions
08:49 - First person view for you
11:36 - Lukes tips and tricks
14:30 - Sorting the many wires
16:40 - Fault Find time
19:29 - Figuring out the issue
21:07 - The next day
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Hey Reuben, kitchen sinks required supplementary bonding under the 15th edition, which that DB looks like it's from. These days, the use of rcd's negates the need for supplementary bonding 👌
Great to see these kinds of videos back on the channel. Giving the basics of what's happening and breaking down the technical stuff is great for viewers who aren't electricians, like myself and many others
These kind of videos are great back to basics videos, entertaining but informative. It might seem like repetition but every job is unique as is the banter that goes with it. Great direction of travel!
This video feels a lot more authentic. Love it
Rueben, I like the laser trick with the drill bit. Will try that
Good job I missed videos of this kind ❤❤❤
Excellent Video... Learnt so much from the video...especially from LUKE
Great video. I like to glue the grommet strip in the board
Try conduit solvent cement
Nice tip with the electrical tape over the grommet strip
Nice work guys as always 😎👍
Thanks ✌
I was working for a company and part of my job was fitting earth bonding, some difficult ones ,starting in the back kitchen under the cupboards up the wall in trunking under the floorboards down a wall in trunking then underground downstairs floorboards and then to the consumer unit near the front door. It was a old house so the walls where high and large rooms too. Another job going under the floorboards in a hatch with not much room to turn around
I don't have a consumer unit. Don't like fuses - the things were always tripping right when I was in the middle of a film or something so me and my pal bill spent the weekend ripping out big brothers "consumer unit" and hardwired all the circuits to the incoming feed on a strip of connector blocks. Don't miss a moment of telly now as no fuses to trip! pro tip.
I fit meters and it’s happened once where no consumer unit, just a bunch of old switches from when the house was built, full lead carcass etc safe to say I didn’t do the job
Love the thumbnails and filming quality. Keep up the good work
7M30 Concrete Ceilings are usually in metal conduit and the conduit is used for the CPC and with the light fitting in the living room you can get a hanging loop box top to hang the lamp fitting more! securely
I've taken out wood fuse boxes in the past. They were lethal, fuses on line and neutral.
Still amazes how small those consumer units are in the UK. Over here in Belgium wiring an entire house and I'm using one for 72 modules that's gonna be nearly full. Every circuit breaker needs to be 2 pole, max 8 sockets/lights per circuit, nearly everything behind a 30ma differential, max 8 circuit breakers per differential. And nearly all stuff like washing machine, dryer, heating, ventilation, needs their own dedicated circuit.
Hate trunking, it soon looks untidy, i know its easier, but it looks naff and gets covered in paint. Nice neatly wired consumer unit!
More like this please
I had an old wylex fuseboard up until May last year! Now I have a consumer unit. It's a lot better.
Glue and reactive spray for the grommet strip works beaut!👍🏻
1980's property. The old 8 way Wylex fusebox with 2 free slots is located in the outside meter cupboard which is a no no these days.
To free up space in order to fit a smart meter the fusebox needs to be relocated and replaced by a modern consumer unit with rcbo's.
Unfortunately the Wago relocation box is bigger than the existing fusebox so pointless from the point of view of freeing up space.
Maybe a smaller enclosure with standard DIN rail terminal blocks instead of the the Wago ?
for the grommet strip use mitre glue works a treat
Very nice boys.............lots of learning.
Just wondering what are the regs, if any in regards to using the mini trunking you so expertly showed here.
What are the advantages/disadvantages of using trunking?
easier and quicker so cheaper but ugly ?
A question and possible idea for a video for ya is, have you worked on a metal framed house? if so, what are the hazards, regulation considerations etc?
We have quite a few metal framed dwellings oop north so any input is welcome!
Good job. Reuben’s gone feet & inches now I notice.
So if I wanted to upgrade the unit and add one extra device, the next contractor has to disconnect every circuit in the board to drop the busbar out, fit the new device and then remake every other connection? Surely that presents a safety issue with loose connections possible. The Wylex and Crabtree units, you only remove the one device or blank and fit the new device. The rest of the connections stay intact.
Did you say you don't need the outer sheaths coming into the board ?
What sort of cost is involved in a consumer unit replacement?
You should see my parents consumer unit.
It still is the one with the individual rewireable fuses 😵
As a DIYer with a background in computer electronics, I would love to know the route to take so I can effectively be on a approved person scheme as a domestic installer, so I can sign off my own work such as house rewire or replacing my CU. I want to do the 18th Ed, Part P, testing PAT courses and be in a position so not need to go through building control, does such a route exist with the few of us DIYers with too much free time and money to throw at courses but not interesting in being a Tradie or running a business?
i did a week course at worcester hub to be a domestic installer but not allowed to sign off or test for EICRs legally, methinks (i may be wrong)
Why doesn't the UK have the earth wire already insulated in the cable? Sleeving the earth wires is such an afterthought...
Is it OK to shorten the tail from the RCBO's? I was told not to do it?
Yes. You were probably told not to do it because they're stranded cables, so should crimp on another ferrule if shortening.
Yes its fine in most cases but check manufacturers instructions first to be safe
Luke if Fusebox supply a tails clamp for extra safety / security should you use it? or was it impossible due to you bending tails for rear entry?
They are supplied to be within certain regs in certain circumstances. Don't have to use them
The tails clamp are a gimmick and provide very little tails support. Pick a brand that has twin terminal main switches, far better solution when trying to eliminate tails disturbance and a safer connection to boot.
That cupboard makes it difficult to access the work area and isn't a storage cupboard with electrics a potential fire hazard having both ignition and flammable material together? Personally, I would remove the shelf during works and replace afterwards.
Don’t remind me, walk past the bakelite front of my wooden consumer unit in my hall every day, with the old Wylex fuse replacement breakers.
My flat is a mess of botches, it’ll never take an RCD and a full rewire is so far out of my skill set as a controls spark.
Should that trunking not be screwed to the wall, no?
Thumbnail should be @ 10:46 - hammering a screw 🤣
Red, white and Blue three core. That predates red, yellow and blue. AFAICT, it was last installed in the 60s.
Look at the Old regulations used to have the Earth the sinks metal window frames in bathrooms and rads
Metal conduit was the method of earthing
!6th edition i think , the earthing regs were a nightmare lol
@@neilmartin1111 And entirely without any justification.
Dustsheets and get that trunking off the clients table!!!!
Surely the relocation junction box should be metal if your changing the CU for a metal type 🤷🏼♂️
Safety socks!? Lol
What was he testing the continuity between?
Is Reuben fully qualified and completed his apprenticeship now ? Perhaps I have missed any updates on his apprenticeship journey?
No he's not. At the moment the only qualified spark's working for Artisan at the moment is Lee.
@@roydowling2542 Why Lee is working for Artisan when he could earn so much more going it alone I do not know . But hey we are all different
@@roydowling2542 did John leave or get made redundant?
@@roydowling2542 Surely Luke's qualified though?
@georgetaylor853 john was made redundant
My fuse box is one of the old style ones that you can replace the fuse wire yourself lol
Nah just stick a screw in em 😁
Time for an upgrade!
not slating the young lads but there really should be a qualified electrician with them on this kind of job....
holding the camera ?
I highly doubt it lol
@@DICEGEORGE
Why did you not use single cables from JB to dist brd save time stripping TE
Good job. Btw. How old is the guy in yellow?
Reuben - hes been with artisan 3 years now so probally around 19/20
You think those are old fuse boxes? You should see mine.
14 way man come on lads Jesus 😂
Tidy job
Luke mate did you happen to work at STN some time ago? :D
I did indeed 👍🏼
is luke qualified now? haven't seen him in a while
Does Lee and John still work there?
Lee does, John doesn’t (made redundant)
Moving the meter? Next you’ll tell me you pulled the fuse yourself?
The thing that probably puts people off this job is the odd joker quoting £35k for a rewire on a 2 bed bungalow.
I know you cannot fight the regs but does anyone find it curious that a consumer unit must be a metal closure but the extender box (Wiska/Wago) is plastic - surely from a common sense perspective it should be a metal enclosure too?
far less to go wrong and its all protected by the rcds in new consumer unit ?
Regulations often have little to do with common sense.
As an energy trader , have no idea why I watch these trades man videos. Despite working as an electrician when I was a teen with a relative.
Moving meters? Since when are they our property
Grow up
@@lewis94ukbut it’s a 2-10k fine touching them
Maybe ok’d by the DNO. Stranger things have happened….
All they did was straighten a bit! ? Those tails looked rather long!!!
04:19 - 04:42 Suggestion to your editor/Team. Maybe blur out anything that could compromise your customers privacy Like what I point out here.
Obviously people will be saddened by the sacking of John, such a gentle soul, amazing teacher on camera. That sort of things happened, being honest. Big companies go bankrupt, Jordan you have created a community, next time be straight and upfront, like your second video addressing the matter. Fans,people' will get hurt, cruise into the healing process. Keep shining ✨️. Good luck to John
Why was john sacked ?
Gross competence 🤣@@gregcressey1791
we do not need to know what happened
@@gregcressey1791 Think he was made redundant rather than sacked, there is a video from New Year's Day on the subject so there is no smoke and mirrors. My own opinion is we are past the peak and either the bottom is slowly dropping out of the EV and Solar market, or it's become saturated.
Wago the wago’s
When i watch you tube sparkies ...and they look at consumer units or inside cupboards...Its always a comment/ whine. about the previous guys ...So are you tube sparks the only ones doing it right ?
It is not easy to keep distances correct. It is a miracle if one uses imperial units.
why?
Even before I have watched this video, my prognosis is that the most skilled electricians were let go (rookie mistake).
Why not just cut the wooden shelving out below the existing board to gain access to the
Sometimes shelves can not be easily removed.
I spot a double flexi on that gas meter 😂😅 maybe they should get a gas service too 😂
Who got sacked?
I think it John & Lee.
John and several office staff. Lee is still there. He is the only qualified sparks working for Artisan while Jordan is away showing us his clips of shocking electrics around Asia
Hope you had permission to cut the seals on the electric meter and that you sealed with your unique identity seal.....ex meter fixer.....the meter operator should have been consulted and offered the opportunity to fit the isolator as that's the reason why it fitted so that electricians Don't touch the exit tails and the seals, which are traceable.
@@roydowling2542 is this a fact?
@@LeighWinspear unfortunately yes it is.
Glue the grommet strip. Tape just looks tacky
Question about the wago box, considering is basically a consumer unit in its own way, should the box be metal as well if someone know I would love too know.
Exactly what I was thinking?
It's a junction box technically not a consumer unit.
The thought is no...... The fire risk comes (mainly) from switching components rather than joining components. No switching happens in the Wago box, therefore not necessary.
I think it's classified as a no maintenance junction box
I wish my missus had that title
With so many available ' ways ' and blanks perfect opportunity to spread out the circuits... especially the higher load ones ... recent talk of excessive heat ... with rcbo,s. not dissipating head . thats where blanks could come in
Rubin.. Dont put the trunking or similar on the customers polished furniture... Cring
I literally don't have a consumer unit in my house.
same.
what??? just one big company fuse ? @@Gobbbbb
@@DICEGEORGE That and the meter with one big trip switch, that's it. We're meant to be having it fitted sometime in the spring while getting a full inspection of the house (EICR basically)
Using his smart phone as a torch. WTF.
DC nuisance tripping? Elaborate
Cannot understand how he can charge 100ph per person when they arnt qualified plus the 2 that were qualified were corey lee and john and john is gone corey is gone so that madness yet a customer is paying top wack sorry not acceptable and it showsmwhat sort of buisness its running i hope hes honest with the customer and they are aware especially when insurance companys say quaified competent person which these lads arnt qualified
In NZ they would at least need a training licence to carry out the work - even then there needs to be a fully qualified spark to inspect the work BEFORE its made live otherwise they could be prosecuted
I don't follow Artisan, but seriously? No one there is qualified? Wow.
Come on, fuse board including MCBs and RCDs is intended to protect Human heath and lives, and property protection is a secondary function
14way box is overkill, workboots and drilling on unprotected carpets, trunking on polished table, unqualified personnel, is this client being charged the usual extortionate rates for Artisans "elite electricians".
I cant wait to retrain and get out of electrical trade, isnt worth it at all, they expect more and more, ever evolving but the pay nowhere near enough.
No qualified electrician on a board change?
Can guarantee you the customer is being charged full whack for it despite no qualified sparks there.
@roydowling2542 doesn't matter how much they're being charged how can they guarantee quality and competency of the installer
"Consumer Unit" ... sounds like a name invented by a committee of bespectacled, tie-wearing clerks.
you throw away breakers. Stupid question. You don't resell them, you never buy used breakers, don't play around with this. This is so obvious that it was never even stated in BS7671, it's like asking if you should put your tongue on live wires.
So many factual errors.
If you're not too busy in yer mam's basement, educate us all.
Only a prick starts with an insult...@@BerkeleyTowers
@@toms7431 Nothing "factual" to say then? Thought so...... back to yer keyboard.
Do you actually have anything valid to contribute? @@BerkeleyTowers
@@BerkeleyTowers I hope you see the irony in your "back to yer keyboard" statement. You are clearly used to using yours to act the big man.
Big risk showing a video of how to change a fuseboard when the guy isnt qualified yet?
Jordan has totally lost touch with reality.
The on site team at Artisan are Lee, Luke and Reuben?
Where is the Leadership coming from?
who is holding the camera ?
@@DICEGEORGEthe camera man who we have seen many times and know isn't a qualified electrician.
It's bollox way the Part P schemes are implemented. 1 QS in the office signing off (probably unseen) work of dozens of part qualified trainees and labourers, for the same registration fee as a one man band. Every single spark should be registered, or none at all otherwise it's not a level playing field. Glad I'm retired now.
3.25mtr wall, 3mtr trunking........ Cut off half inch to fit........ Rofl.
This is why new builds are so naff. Dual scale tape measures should be banned.
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