Why the LGBTQ+ Community Wants to Be Distanced from Sherry Pie
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2021
- Culture commentator and on-air personality Ryan Mitchell sits down with Tamron Hall to unpack the response to drag performer Sherry Pie’s catfishing controversy.
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That guy really thought he was coming on Tamron’s show and cancelling her on live TV huh, this isn’t twitter baby 💅🏻
Coming on a nationally televised talk show with that hair was a choice.
I believe a big part of the back lash stemmed from people thinking that sherry was going to be given a platform to come on the show give their side if the story and give a reason victimizing themselves and asking for forgiveness. But after watching the interview I enjoyed Tamron was very professional and made sure to not let sherry dodge question and to ask real questions like when sherry said that these were her friends and saying that she suffers from mental illness and Tamrom responded with who would do that to their friends and mental illness does not make you catfish people. I think Tamron handled the interview well and made sure to not let sherry victimize herself at all and to take accounablilty
judging by the preview it sounded like they were saying she was 'accused' and ultimately looked like she might be coming on to tell 'her story' of being innocent. i think that all the public outcry did change the course on how tamron led the interview. by this time today she knew of the outrage and wasn't going to let joey get away with any excuses.
@@AnahataMaryjane Because he was accused. That’s what happened. Unless he’s convicted, no one can say he did it except him and his victims. That’s journalism.
@@mouzube what i'm saying is the preview sounded more salacious and gossipy than the actual interview. from the preview i was led to believe he might renounce the accusations.
@@mouzube but he had already admitted to doing the actions previously
Well said and I agree she sure interviewed the hell out of Sherrie Pie as she should 💯.
I’m pretty sure more than half the people complaining about sherry pies interview watch serial killer interviews and documentaries.
No, they've all seen the victims themselves ask them not to air the interview.
That's very true, however the victims of the killer's acts aren't alive, contrarily to the victims of sexual abuse. And that is the difference.
@@LennyCartwright and the difference is most people wouldn't watch them if the victims family's had objected to them being made.
When Netflix asked Mast’s family and friends in February 2019 to participate in the series, I Am A Killer, those closest to him pleaded with the producers to abandon the project, saying it was inhumane to sell a documentary at the emotional expense of a grieving family. “As a parent, a fellow human being, I beg you not to do this,” Pendleton wrote in the first of many emails to the producers, which she shared with TIME. “PLEASE don’t do this!”
time.com/5825475/true-crime-victim-families/
@@joewhite4456 the victims families aren’t always willing participants. Much of the information is public, and I guess that the families don’t have as much say as we’d like to think. The interviews and documentaries are often produced and backed by large companies that can afford to drown out any complaints by victims families.
Tamron had such a good point. I never knew who she even was until today but I think she’s so eloquent.
Best looking woman on TV📺
She's a fantastic news personality.
She was on Today for a short time, I think.
Would you call a white journo eloquent. Turn your condescension down, your racism is showing!
@@angelicaterry3367 lol what?
@@angelicaterry3367
adjective: eloquent
fluent or persuasive in speaking or writing.
Is she not these things? Did I say “oh she’s eloquent for a black person”? No I didn’t. I gave her a compliment. Is that not allowed? I am a minority and an immigrant so you can cry racist all day but I doubt you truly even know what real racism means. You are just trying to be decisive and see problems where they don’t exist. You’re the ignorant one.
Tamron has every right to interview who she wants. She wasn't trying to help him "rebrand" like twitter thought would somehow happen. We should be allowed to unpack horrible events so that we can understand them better and be educated enough to prevent such things from happening in the future.
That being said, bye-bye Sherry Pie, your career is dead, and I hope we never hear from you again
Oh please. It's not the vague "twitter" who opposed this interview, it's the literal, ACTUAL victims who came forward and asked for their abuser not to be given public attention. They said they reached out to Tamron and said they would be glad to take Sherry's place, but they were ignored. Y'all can quote me with excuses all you want but these are the facts, and facts are facts.
I agre with u
I don't agree. It is VERY important to realise that Tamron giving a sexual predator a platform goes beyond whether she can or not, or whether it's her show. It is people's story, the story of the victims to tell.
The difference with the criminals mentioned in this and Sherry Pie is that those criminals have been charged and indicted. Not only are their victims no longer alive, but their families got a semblant of closure by seeing these people behind bars and pay for their crimes.
However, Joey has not been prosecuted or charged for the crimes he admitted to, so his victims have not had any retribution or closure for what they have gone through.
I see in the comments people talking about documentaries about serial killers or sexual abusers like R. Kelly. But they fail to realise that in those documentaries, the victims are given a platform, people involved in the story - police officers, investigators, psychologists, prosecutors - are also given a platform to recount the story. And the abuser is NOT.
If she invites the dozens of victims to be interviewed and they refuse, if she asks the many people involved in the story and they don't want to be interviewed, if she asks the journalists who reported on this story and they don't want to be interviewed either, maybe it is time to realise that it is too early to talk about and she should NOT interview a sexual predator?
Sherry Pie should only be interviewed once her victims have had a chance (and felt ready) to speak out, and/or when she has been charged for her crime. Until then, maybe we shouldn't give a voice to the abuser. Especially not in a 10mn interview during which she consistently cut her off so that at the end of the interview nothing was said or learned that we didn't already know.
@@chaeriplease well, that’s what that Shimkus man has been looking for all along isn’t it? AIRTIME. You cannot call willing and fully enabled adults who send nudes via email victims. Period.
@@LennyCartwright because what Joey did (although messed up) is NOT A CRIME. You people are brainwashed. Wake up
I am 100% with her on this, it’s her show
Absolutely!!!! 💯👏🏽💯 I couldn’t agree more.
Right! Sherry Pie was not rebranding himself on her show. Tamron held him accountable. What some of these "just-popped-up-yesterday" vloggers don't understand is the difference between journalism and gossip.
My hats off to Tamron for being brave. She is a very capable and intelligent woman. These people who criticize her bold choices are nothing but close-minded, fake-woke individuals who feel entitled to try and cancel everyone out there.
Umm the victims themselves said they didn't want sherry on the show...
@@joewhite4456 it’s not their show. They shouldn’t be watching the show and they should be going to see a therapist instead.
@@julieta12 ah yes, because the answer to knowing that someone who abused you has got onto mainstream television because they abused you is to simply not watch. Why don't we do that with everything wrong in the world, just ignore it?
Joe White But why would a victim watch a interview about a person that catfishes them?
@@julieta12 Enough with the condescension. If she were white you wouldn't comment on a journo's intelligence, it makes you sound racist and stupid
This man doesn't speak for me or anyone in the lgbtq community. I want to hear the interview. He does have a point about being sensitive with the situation but no to the censorship. Think for yourselves
Besides himself*^
Censorship isn’t the answer. I understand the premise of using this platform to advance his own narrative but that wasn’t the opportunity being offering. Anyone who has seen her prior work knows she isn’t going loft softballs.
That doesn't matter, the victims asked her not to air it.
people voicing their concerns and asking her not to do it, is not censorship though. No one sued or sent cease and desists nor did the government or even her network say she can not do it or air it. It was not censored in any way.
she has the right to interview him - and she kept him accountable. she didn't go with "oh yes thanks for the apology, you've really changed". no, she pounded question after question and brought up the harsh reality of criminal charges. and I can see sherry didn't expect that. and finally someone held him accountable to his face.
It doesn't matter how she handled it, the victims asked her not to air it.
Everyone wants to censorship everything nowadays, extreme liberals and conservatives have that in common. Interviewing Sherry was an ok move, it makes you understand his mentality and how this type of situations can be prevented. Interviewing Sherry was not giving him a platform for a comeback people. Tamron is 100% on point. Ps. Why are we talking about skin color now? The topic is catfishing and predatory behavior.
Tamron held him accountable and called him out, not like she was making light or excusing his behavior and asked him hard questions that people want to know about
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Tamron, please do a part 2!!! We need to continue the conversation. This is a multifaceted topic with lots of layers. I know you can eloquently unpack it. Thank you for starting the conversation❤❤
I was skeptical of the interview but I actually got satisfied to watch Tamron Hall not letting Joey avoid responsibility
It’s her show! She should be able to interview whoever she wants no questions asked !
No is able to do that. No one has been able to do that. you can interview anyone you want, but the public will always feel a way about it. That's how it has always been, and how it always will be.
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she hit a nerve withe the George Zimmerman, *mic fucking drop*
Most of the people attacking her are Wyt LGBTQIA individuals. If this was Barbra Walters know one would bat an eye but you judge a Black Woman for doing her job shame on y'all!
Just as Sherry should've maybe stayed on instagram live, this guy should've stayed on twitter hun
That part where she said this is the first time in 30 years a sexual predator has admitted to it. Sure had him stumped. Like I dont like Sherry Pie but I definitely see that his confession and the sharing of his progress to try and better himself is actually doing some good. Its easy for everyone to come at his neck and try and block any media exposure because he admitted to it. If he kept denying it thats when I bet they want an interview, what good does that bring? Its just letting other predators know that they can continue what they are doing and deny the claims against them. Thats just how I see things, I do believe people who have done bad things deserve to be interviewed just as much as those who deny it all the time. I think it helps society.
Absolutely agree, the guy quickly changed the conversation after her point sunk in - cancel culture doesn't help move the conversation along and allow for growth - it's just nasty bullying tactics.
Tamron: "when is it okay to interview bad people?"
Ryan: "girl ion like mcdonalds that much and it upset my stomach today but i feel sherry shouldve stayed home!"
Lmao he dodged that question hard asf 🤣
Tamron is a journalist so she doesn’t believe in talking to just one side. She would give a platform to the victims as well. She didn’t allow this person to rebrand themselves. She held them accountable. Just having this person on the show is going to offend. I think she should expand the conversation. That’s the only way to do tell the whole story.
She didn’t give the victims a platform, though. The producers were in contact with victims, and they all asked to not have Sherry on the show.
@@harry1923 that’s not their decision
@@tamaracharese I know it’s not. It’s the show’s. My point is that I think the show should have respected their wishes.
@@harry1923 I can see that. I disagree, but I can see that.
@@harry1923 But then when do we get the full story?? That’s what people are not understanding. When someone kills someone we don’t say “the killer can’t speak the victim told the story”. That’s HALF the story. Their motive plays into the story as to why they killed someone, why did they think that’s okay to do, what else led up to that happening. Whether y’all agree or not, the victims wishes ARE not suppose to always be granted just out of respect. They said their part and not all of but some did and Joey has a right to say his whether the victims like it or not
With all due respect Tamron, as a Cisgender, straight woman of color and also a survivor of sexual assault, I think it would have been fine to interview the abuser had you first given a equal platform and voice to his victims. It would have been nice to see a frank discussion of how sexual abuse knows no gender or color before giving a perpetrator a voice and platform.
I am also a victim of sexual assault and I never thought of Tamron being “wrong” for the interview as it is her job and sometimes you need to cover unpleasant subjects. I do like how she didn’t let S.P./Joey get away with his actions or say that it was okay.
The community cannot dictate who they want or not
She's got a point. She should be allowed to interview him.
Why should she? The victims asked her not to.
@@joewhite4456 because it's her platform. There's a story to be heard and even though the victims doesn't want sherry to have a platform Sherry has already paid a huge price for her actions! She has the right to explain herself as every humain does! Who are we to judge?!...I, for one, would like to hear what Sherry Pie has to say. We haven’t even seen the episode yet so the pre-outrage is perhaps a bit misplaced until we see the finished product. Plus I believe in rehabilitation and forgiving people for their crimes if not what's the point having a justice system we should just hang everyone if they do something dreadful.
@@freddywilson she was doing it the day before she was outed, she's only stopped because she was caught so why give her the chance to be forgiven for something she wouldn't have changed unless forced to? She has her own platforms such as her social media, that's where she has the right to explain herself, not "every human" has the right to explain themselves on national television.
@@joewhite4456 who are you to say where someone has the right to express them selfs? This is why I say people like you feel so entitled. By your logic people shouldn't be allowed to atone for their actions. Guess what it's not your show or your platform so if you have an issue with her being on the show don't watch it. You can boycot it. It's not like you were watching the show before hand and you probably won't watch it after. The community is so toxic.
@@joewhite4456
Wait a minute, who’s giving Joey a chance to be forgiven?? 🤣 he was interviewed to speak what went through his head before being caught! YES, EVERY HUMAN has a right to explain themselves on national television. Shows me in which book do they say that they don’t have the right to explain 😂
I really like that she took up the job of taking on contravertial topics. It's great, but for me *personally* I wish she would let the person she is interviewing finish their sentence or thought. I get it, her show ect, not saying she's doing anything wrong, I just wish I could have fully heard out what he was explaining in his own words like she did. Great interview!
Ty tamron. You handled this interview with grace and strength. We can’t stop what we can’t understand
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I haven't even watched the Sherry Pie interview yet and I already agree with Tamron. When bad things happen, we're quick to get upset and offended. The only way to transform anything is to be open to understanding it. I love to hear why people do what they do, because it provides awareness for the rest of us who may want to protect ourselves.
>The only way to transform anything is to be open to understanding it
Well, why not do an interview with victims then?
The victims asked her not to air the interview.
She can have anyone she wants on HER show. It was a good interview
And we can have any opinion we want on our social media
But she's sharing the victims stories who've asked her to not air the interview
Tamron, you were 100% right
Booooy she almost went there. If you don’t like the product, get your own show. Until then, either change the channel or have several seats and listen with the intent of gaining an understanding.
I under stand her point about being allowed to interview him, I think people myself included just don’t want Sherry to be able to resurface and “rebrand” himself after all the damage he has caused SO many people!! Sherry doesn’t deserve any additional attention other than jail time for what he did.
I love you Tamron. I have no problem with the interview.
You did not disappoint in your interview.
Love love love you Tamron!!!👏🏽💯❤️
She got him right together hahahaha
I don’t know the backstory about this interview. I need to start Googling
It's not that interesting
LGBTQ LOVE AND HUGS! TO ALL!
Tamron thank you 🙏🏿 for keeping it 💯🙏🏿😊❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ I love you and respect you as a woman of daytime television. 🙏🏿
I stan with you Tamron and your POV on the interview and the questions you posed to us at large about sexual abusers. Many people, "twitter folk" are just making off of other people's opinion, headlines, and click bait. Most of them haven't even watched both of your interviews in full context. Thank you Tamron.
It was the victims themselves that asked her not to air it.
In 30 years? No Tamron
I'm a gay man and I totally stand with Tamron
I love your show Tamara. I have always admired you. I have been working in local TV for 30 years so you are a great role model. I think your show is unique and I am happy you are staying true to you!
What happened? Did they edit something out? Did anyone else see that? When she mentioned Zimmerman at the end and got upset and ended it?
No one said she can't interview him, they said she should reach out to the victims FIRST.
She did they declined lol
@@Zackybro101ASMR you work on the show?
But they could’ve done the same. They had a whole year to do something with their platform and went back to their normal lives. Don’t get mad cause Sherry was contacted and said yes
@@JSG-gk2oz never said i was mad, read again.
@@Theye101499 I never said you. Read my comment again. I was talking about the victims. I said they had a whole year to do something with their platforms, they went back to their normal lives and are upset when Sherry was contacted to take the spotlight from her when they could’ve done more when they were sharing their story and given a platform. I never said you were upset
It's called investigative journalism, your supposed to get the story from the source. I can't tell you how many people I have seen get interviews.... because the interviewer is trying to get things that are unsaid. The reaction, the body language things that you look for. That's why you watch talk show interviews!
I think Tameron Hall is doing her job.
P.S.
And, that's another thing. It's always interesting to see who people CAN interview. People who want to be interviewed by certain host, those are the people who can get the story.
I say keep right on Tameron ☕
> get the story from the source
Where are stories of the victims from their interviews?
But the victims themselves have asked her not to air the interview.
Your job is to get ratings and inform
Our job is to decide what to view
People are crazy. Dont cancel shit for me.
Being LGBT has nothing to do with it.
It has everything to do with it, showing biggoted people even more evidence they will use against the lgbt community and base their views off the community on is harmful.
@@joewhite4456 any sensible human in 2021 can understand that someone's sexual orientation doesn't relate to their acts as an individual. Sure, someone could use something like this against the LGBT community as a whole but I'm sure they wouldn't be taken seriously. To be honest I think people are bringing up this argument to make Sherry look even worse,it doesn't have any substance if you think of it
@@fulfilledfantasy. I mean using the phrase "any sensible human in 2021" disproves you point. Nearly half the country voted for trump, I've personally had bricks thrown at me for being gay, conversion therapy still exists, and people follow the westborough Baptist church. Unfortunately half the country isn't sensible and we still have to coexist with them.
@@joewhite4456 but Trump wasn't even elected at the end of the day so the majority of people indeed have common sense in them and realise a few things. Also, just because someone voted for Trump doesn't mean they'll think that Sherry's acts represent the gay community, that's just a stupid and absurd conclusion that was made up by gay people that underlies hate for Sherry,trying to blame her for more stuff than she's already been blamed for, I surely never saw any straight trump supporter accusing gay people for this
@@fulfilledfantasy. so because you haven't been affected by it means it doesn't happen? Have you never heard someone say "I don't have a problem with you being gay as long as you don't try to hit on me"? That comes from a culture of thinking gay people care about nothing but sex and are going to try and get their straight friends to have sex with them which Joey is perpetuating. Even in countries that have relatively good anti discrimination laws in place like the USA people are still bullied, fired, kicked out of their home, sent to conversion therapy, assaulted, and even murdered because of their sexuality and you're trying to tell me that people wouldn't use something like this as an example of how gay people act?
It's also an interesting choice of words to say "more stuff than she's already being blamed for", I think you mean "more stuff than she's already admitted to doing"
Let her do her job.
You have heard the victims' sides of the their stories first, then give cherry pie a chance to give his.
Chilllle y’all were acting like sherry was going to be preforming in full drag. Lol we’ve become so soft skinned and emotionally moved by the indirect actions of others
I fully support both the victims and sherry pie who will always continue to be one of my favourite queens. Seeing that backlash on twitter as though she was gonna come on and sip champagne with Tamron while laughing at the victims was just fucked. The hard left people are becoming too soft skinned. The radical left are fighting against sherry and creating stories more than the victims themselves.
Oh wow, a wild white coat on a high horse
The victims themselves asked her not to show it.
Never heard of Tamron Hall? Oh now I really feel old. I’ve been watching Tamron since I was young.
You go tam tam!!!!
Mrs. Hall, you're an inspiration who leads with faith and intention rather than trying to please the majority. Your sincerity, grace, and holding people to the fire with your questioning are reasons why I enjoy watching you.
Love Tamron, it's her show she can interview who she wants
Tamron I agree with you!
I love tamron...she keeps it real.
The answer is ALWAYS. It's always ok to interview people. You don't have to like it, but it's ok.
It's always better to talk to someone instead of talking about them.
As long as your heart is pure then, Tamron please follow your heart.. you’re not new to effectively conversing.
Okay but how is she 50 when she out here looking 30. Beautiful woman.
The whole time Ryan was talking, i was only focused on his hair!
Just live and prosper.
I’ve never heard of Sherry Pie, now listening I’m sad to hear about said individual.👎🏽😒
Ryan Gurl that hair lol
Fully agree with Ms. Hall.
Unfortunately, we cannot simply cast or distance a whole community of people from someone who will simply always be in it. People of every race do terrible things all the time, you cannot distance a community just because the bad person belongs to whichever one.
No.
Keep strong,,, tamron
The problem isn't that she interviewed Sherry Pie, it's that she refused to speak with the victims of Sherry's abuse so they could at least be heard and tell their side of the story
I never knew this happened but I’m happy. There are Sherry Pie is 1 of a kind. You’ll be surprised what happens to younger lgbtq kids who are w/o family and vulnerable. THEY CAN’T HIDE THEIR BONES and SPRINKLE GLITTER, rainbow, and Love over it.
4:07
Yeah. This is important. Ryan does go on to make a valid point in return about Joey’s privileges, but representation of admittance and remorse is crucial
I support Cherry Pie, oh wait you said Sherry Pie? Yeah, no thanks
She a professional
this guy makes no sense.
Tamron is an amazing Journalist. She can teach the class. Keep on doing it Tamron! 🖤🖖🏾
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If you get the same kind of discord with other interviews, why not just give them the same response. keep doing it, and keep it pushing. While I definitely understand people being leery of a predator, or someone who displays constant bad behavior getting a platform and somehow using it to rebrand (because history has shown us this time and time again, and that is literally all Fox News does) I also understand that competent people should at least get a chance to interview subjects, and see what can come from it. It is what it is, a comment can not stop or start an interview. I am not going to be a person that just says people are too sensitive and it's her show, because if people bail, there will be no show. (y'all remember what happened to felicity "it was just hair right," well the people that watched didn't think so) but also I am not going to be one that says Tamron can't go with gut either. I always have the option of skipping that day or that video.
That’s an awful lot of defending for someone who is confident in their choices...
how u gonna sit there and be like “so everyone is mad at us for giving this abuser a chance to redeem themselves and the dangers of doing so, so lets talk to everyone BUT the victims” like use ur head people your running a tv show not a blog
How you know if they didn’t reach out to the victims?
@@RaspberryBlunt the ones in the original article said they werent contacted
Well... the victims trying to cancel 1 entire show just because sherry pie was appear in 1 chapter for i dont know... 3 minutes? So i dont know if is okay to say yes to EVERY THING that the victims claim, this just a interview, not the redeem of sherry pie, everybody knows yall what is this person, so... i think youre not thinking right
@@Sjks178 first off all no one said anything about canceling the show i was simply pointing out a blindspot in the producer’s reasoning. second, joey was not on for “3 minutes” he was on for 12, with a 2 minute disclaimer, and tv/social media promotion WITH his face in it, so this show was trying to capitalize off this situation point blank period. now should the show be canceled for this? no. but there are ways to minimize the damage an interview like this could cause and some of those weren’t taken. i was merely pointing that out
Actually the victims contacted the show and asked not to air the interview but they aired it anyway.
Tamron Hall and her team should have the right to book everyone they want to!
And people should have right to talk about said bookings. Fair is fair
No one is going to let him rebrand himself.
I am
The only people that are associating the LGBT community with sherrie pie are the ones who are complaining now.
As a gay man, no person has to be sensitive to me. I don't need trigger warnings. When Dahmer was interviewed, he was seen for what he was. A monster. No one needs to be careful about feelings. Sometimes we're more proactive when we're upset about certain things.
6:46 look like she was going to cry
She was
It was rude of him to roll his eyes when she mentioned people who watch Greorge Zimmerman. He almost brought her to tears.
I’m so glad tamron shut him up; tamron has been a journalist for decades. She knows what she’s doing, Ryan came ready to jump down her throat & she held her own cause she knows her damn job.
🙏🏾🙏🏾
...this was just old school vs new school. we gotta find the balance...
Tamron has a history of holding bad behavior accountable. Unfortunately, you’ve got to know her work to know that.
She held him accountable tho
Stay strong LGBT FRIENDS AND FAMILY
I'm so sick of them putting black people as the face of LGBT but gets none of the rewards!!!
Omg please do not watch the 90% of the messages in gays people inboxes. Sherrie would be a saint compare to them.
You don't represent the LGBTQIA+ community either, honey
This is just fckup tamron hall should have talked to the victims and invite them tbh sherry pie shouldn't have given a platform to be interview but tbh the LGBTQI WI+ community don't support this specific person she is a manipulator just to make it clear i respect journalism and i just just dessagree with all this
4:20 So why was skin colour bought into it? 🥲
Because it has EVERYTHING to do with it?
@@queenqueen977 whichpart
Sounds about white
@@keshaestevan3623 Ahee hee hee 😌
He already admitted to the allegations online
Why go with Sherry Pie first, and not the victims? I stand with Jackie Cox on this.
what is that haircut called? lol
Representative for the LGBT community.
@@downtown82 No one represents it
Looks like a character from Doug😂