WedgeWorks V Grind Vs. T Grind
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Ian compares the Vokey WedgeWorks V Grind against his the T Grind.
WedgeWorks V grind is visually similar to the SM9 T grind with a narrower forward sole towards the leading edge and aggressive heel, toe and trailing edge relief.
The V grind, however, plays to a higher effective bounce than the T grind.
Today, Ian dives into the benefits of the V Grind for softer conditions and bunkers.
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Magic or Tragic. Accurately describes my bunker game. 🤣🤣
Tried the M and D several times. Glad I tried the T perfect for me. according to previous fittings the D was supposed to be the best fit. I prefer to open at times the T allows me to do this. It is worth a try. Being fit on a mat in a golf shop is not ideal either using golf balls that have been hit thousands of times.
Bought the 58 T after a wedge fitting. Was in the 60 M for years (the vokey fitting tool on the trackman wanted me in a 58 M). I absolutely love it. My course here in Missouri gets so firm (drought conditions have had it playing like it's August since mid April) and this thing is a weapon. I can open it up and not be afraid of the bladed one. I love how low the leading edge sits. Plus when I want more bounce because of the lie I just turn it open and can thump the back of the club and it works way more consistently than the old M. Haven't taken it back to the bermuda I grew up on and was a much better chipper/pitcher on with the M than I ever was here in MO. But if you ever have had bladey/thin problems with the M I can't recommend the T enough.
Interesting. Does the leading edge sit visually lower on the T than the M? I don’t think it’s the club when I blade one but the visual does play a role
love my T grind, bought it specifically for firm sand but its a weapon all around the green. got a 58 bent to 60 and upped the bounce slightly
I just bought a 58 t today. Bought it from a guy still in the wrapper and haven't hit it yet. I used to play a 4* bounce back in the day so I'm looking forward to trying it. I'm curious to see how that grind and low bounce react to it being wet this time of year. I didn't realize the T was such a low bounce\ thin looking wedge but I love the look. Always played vokeys
Also, I am planning on getting it bent to 60* so I don't mind it adding some bounce 😎
I have been sitting on this exact idea for a couple months now. I play in a lot of tournaments and often times in the summer, my 60 8* M grind has trouble with tighter lie shots. I feel like that sole design just makes it thump off firmer turf and into the ball. In situations where I could use the loft for a shortsided shot, I have to rely on my 56 S grind solely because I can rely on the spin to get it closer than I would trying to get proper contact with the M grind.
I LOVE my M grind in most year-round conditions and intend to always carry one in the trunk for specific conditions (wet/muddy and more lush rough, general bunker play) but that 4* of bounce is nothing I have experience with. I am skilled with my short-game so technique is not my concern.
Do you have any more feedback with your 58* bent to 60 that you can share? I am leaning towards doing exactly as you did.
@@iiZAPPx honestly its my favorite wedge in the bag. I have a 10S for my 55 (54 bent) and between those 2 i can do almost everything i would ever need, M grind would also fill that spot nice. The T can still tend to dig if its wet turf, but that comes with the territory. Anything tight/dry turf or hard sand its my go-to. Plus bent 2 week theres no offset and it looks so good
@douglyons206 i love this. Might be the route I go. Ill keep my 60M until the later spring/summer conditions then throw the T in. Your feedback is appreciated
Loving the content boys!!! I have a pretty unique wedge setup. I go 58 T and then a 54 D in my higher lofted wedges. The reason I have such varying bounces is because I am a college golfer that plays a majority of my golf in and around Lexington Kentucky, but then in the summer, when I come home from school, I play all of my golf in North Central West Virginia, and southwestern Pennsylvania. The ground in Kentucky is very firm, and some courses are mown very very tight. The T grind is amazing for those conditions so i favor it down there. But when I come back up a little bit further north, I find myself reaching for my D grind a lot more often. No matter the lie or course conditions, I have different bounces so I can be as versatile and efficient as I can on any course. This was the exact reason that my coach and I sat down and devised my setup this way. I think that it’s something a lot of golfers should do because unlike playing on the PGA tour, we don’t get pristine conditions every round. Some courses are waterlogged and more bounce is a must and other courses are baked dry and less bounce is your friend. Once again keep up the amazing content boys!!!
I have used a similar Wedge selection since 2017.
SM 6 48° and 50°, both 08° Bounce F Grind, so effectively a "Strong and Weak" PW.
Then a 54°-10° V Grind and finally a 58° Low Bounce (06°) K Grind.
The various Bounces and Grinds allow me selectivity for various Lies and Conditions against the shot I Feel is best to play.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 A lot of guys on tour do the same. Will Zalatoris is the first to pop up in my head. he goes 56 10S then 60 T
@@huntergraham47 my Wedges were delivered this morning, took them to the Range this Afternoon. I'm Happy with my Choices 😊
The magic of the Vokey SM9 T Grind and V Grind (and also Taylormade Tiger Woods (TW) Grind) is the dual sole with the higher bounce leading edge. This makes tight chip shots placed at the back of your stance effortless.
Just did a full bag fitting at Club Champion and was disappointed that CC had NONE of these wedges to try (Vokey SM9 T Grind and V Grind and Taylormade Tiger Woods (TW) Grind.). Hopefully, CC will change this! These wedges work wonders as a lob wedge!
My T is out for delivery. Patiently waiting.
Love the T. Seems like in the video the produced better results on each shot.
I have the T grind and I used to have the M grind.And I find for me the T grind to be the best bucket wedge I've ever played with.And I guess it's just using the proper technique for the type of sand your playing it our of. The T grind is so versatile for me off of tight lies from hardpan,fairway, and the bunker I absolutely fell in love with it.
Just saying today that I would like a 10 degree (non s grind) sand wedge. Nice video guys!
9.06 to 9.10 - Hey Patrick! Is that you 😂😂
You guys need to do a wedge shaft comparison video! DG vs project x vs Nippon modus and even throw in a 8 iron spinner!
Nice wedge game Ian❤
V seemed like something you’re confident in but launch numbers off the turf and results on your good swings out of the bunker were significantly better with the T…seems a better player like Ian should push their game with a more aggressive grind when conditions permit 🤔
Toyed with a T grind 60 for my course which is firm turf but soft sand. Went to Callaway raw X Grind 60 with 12 degrees of bounce - the relief on the X grind reminded me of the T. Is the Wedgeworks V close to the Callaway X? Wondering if those two are pretty similar?
After being unable to buy a V, I saw the Callaway X and wondered the same. At least visually, it appears very similar.
I play the Vokey 60 L grind 4 degrees of bounce. It works really well in the hard, tight lies here in Arizona. But that said, I am considering a 60 T grind.
I love my 60.04L. Use it for everything 60 yards and in. Time for an upgrade though so I’m curious about the differences
Cleveland had this grind years ago started with Cleveland DSG
Have fun with the V grind on anything tight in the fairway. I disagree and think you should focus your club choice on the place where you will play the majority of your shots.
For me it's a 58* M SM9 for winter and 58* SM9 T for summer. I am around a +3/4 with my wedges and knowing when to grab each makes a huge difference.
need to do more wedge shows
I’ve been vexed trying to find a semi low bounce Vokey that is good out if the sand. The K grind is too high and the T is too low. I’m hoping the V is the answer
Good luck, a limited Release that's already Sold Out.
Look at the Low Bounce K Grind 06° Bounce.
It will work whether you like to add Loft by reducing Shaft Lean, or if you like to rotate the Face Open to add Loft.
Play it slightly Back in your Stance Square and it will nip the Ball off the firmest Turf.
Yes, I have a 58°-06° K
Could try and find an older grind. The low bounce K once came in 8°, and was not called K at one point. and the T grind came in 8° in sm5. I have that one.
But remember it's playable bounce. And they change the grinds across the years. Only way to tell is to try them.
For example, there was a D grind before they called it a D grind. It was a higher bounce M in a SW. The 58 and 54 M grinds in the past had different grinds in terms of trailing edge relief, as well as different measured bounce.
How does the V grind play compared to the TM MG3 Tiger Woods grind? I have the TW grind 56 deg. and its great especially on short chips off tight lies with that beveled off leading edge
While I CAN'T compare the V to your wedge, I can tell you I have a 54° V Grind I got 6 years ago. Set Square - it plays like an S Grind or you can twist it Open and it plays like a "Super M" Grind. (Additional Toe and Heel Relief than the M)
I can play it from Soft up to Medium Firm turfs and it is Excellent from any Fringe type lie or deeper rough.
My 58° is a 06° Low Bounce K Grind for very Tight and/or Firm.
Love the V didnt realize they re released until this video. Called Titleist, they sold out 2 days after notification 😢
V Grind was a limited release in only 58° and 60°
I have a 54° V that is SM6 vintage that I ordered from WedgeWorks back then, along with a 58°-06° Low Bounce K Grind.
I'm waiting for a 54° S and a 58° T, I special ordered a week ago from Vokey, to arrive.
I've been a Kirkland Wedge player for a couple years, at my fitting I tried a 60-08M, to compliment a 55-10S, couldn't get it to work for me so I ended up in the 60-04T, felt great
Is the V grind like the M and D but the bounce just in the middle of those two?
Yeah pretty close.
the bounce is in the middle but the grind itself is different, its a lot tighter to the leading edge
@@douglyons206 Thanks
V has more Toe and Heel Relief than M or D.
D is a High Bounce M
V will play like an S - when set Square and if you want to be Steeper. You can Rotate V Open and shallow nip it even Better than M.
I have a 54° V that I just replaced with a 54° S, along with a 58° T replacing a Low Bounce K Grind 58°.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 Thanks
Automatic for the people!!
Guys, what setup do you suggest for tight links turf and fluffy sand? Split the grinds across two wedges like a higher bounce 55/56 and low bounce 60?
How does TXG do wedge fitting, specifically for a wedge shaft? I went for an iron fit at CC to go graphite in my irons and wanted to test graphite wedge shafts. My fitter said they didn’t have a “fitting head” for wedges to try different shafts. They only had built up wedges (basically just off the rack demo clubs) but none with graphite to try
I’ve asked this on a bunch of videos, hoping you catch this at some point. My question, just found out I’m allergic to nickel. What clubs can I use????
Curious, what is the stand you have the iPad on? I need one but can’t find a stable one like that.
Ian I have a question I would like for you to possibly elaborate on in a future video. The current long driver champion the Aussie kid said that the long driver guys no longer use extra stiff and stiff shafts. Opting for regular and grafite which he says produces more distance and speed. I’m so confused don’t know what to think anymore. As you are a master fitter I would like your opinion. Especially going for a fitting don’t know what to go for now.
Hi Hobby. Not sure if it'll help, but here are my 2 cents. The big issue with shafts, is that there isn't a standard definition of what defines each of the groups. What I mean is that an X from one manufacturer could be the same mechanical properties as an S from another. Most manufacturers use their the mean of their own offering to be R. And then stiffer from there becomes S and so forth. That's problem 1. Problem 2 is the actual physics of pendulums. Basically shafts can "move or deform" in 3 "directions" from at rest position. They can "bow" which is bending up down left and right. They can droop, imagine the toe of the club being super heavy, and as you swing the club, the toe bends the shaft downwards as it attempts to align all the heavy bits into a straight line. And lastly the shaft can twist which they call torque. Now hypothetically imagine two players having absolutely identical swings except for 1 thing. and that is 1 of the starts the down swing from a stationary stable position and the other begins the down swing slightly before top dead center. The second option adds more momentum to the club head. Option 1 requires overcoming momentum of an object at rest, and option to has to decelerate the clubhead before accelerating it in the opposite direction. That minute amount of difference might be just enough to twist or rotate the shaft. Depending on the mechanical properties of the shaft, it could oscillate slightly more on an axis and be the difference a square face at impact and not. Remembering 3' is enough to make a huge difference 300yards down range. For perspective, a second on a click face is 6'. This is why getting a proper fitting from a company that has enough technology to diagnose the uniqueness of your swing and match it accordingly.
Also they don't need accuracy as much as someone hitting a fairway.
Is the V grind similar in profile to the X grind from Callaway?
So the V grind is more forgiving than the M grind? The V grind sits between the D grind and M grind?
That’s how I understood it as well. V must sit in somewhere in the middle.
Ian, how are you not on a Professional Tour? Everything I see in your game is amazing! Do you prefer the business side of Golf instead?
Nothing against Ian, who's a great scratch golfer, but you need to be shooting -6 to -8 consistently to even have a shot at professional tours
@@jacobanderson9830 I'm a 1 handicap and when you're around scratch it's minimal of what can be holding someone back.
@@HowToBachelor I know +4 handicaps that have friends better than them that can't even make cuts at Q school events, the difference between a scratch golfer and even a mini tours guy is still a huge jump
@@HowToBachelor a scratch is so far from a tour pro it’s unreal
@@Scatterpattern I have friends on tour and of course know tons of professionals and it really isn't. If a young scratch Golfer has the time and recourses available, they can make it into tour events, because they'll tighten up what they need to. Almost always it's course management and short game.
I normally play 60 M grind SM5s (like them better than anything new) but I lean the handle a lot and sometimes struggle in soft conditions. Good candidate for V grind?
The rerelease of the 58°/60° V Grind was a limited production run that Sold Out in 2 Days!
@@apaulmcdonough2170 it will be back
@@Brandon-youtube what I really wanted was a 54° V Grind, to replace the one I have.
Honestly....all of your shots with the T Grind were better than your V Grind shots lol
Do you have any v at the store
Too bad the V grind was so limited in production that it sold out within a couple days.
We weren’t showing the grind so it’s kind of like telling a blind person do you see that you see that
Bounce on a wedge is like spin on a driver, too low of both is really bad! Give me playable clubs.