Florida was fine playing Miami until the Canes became the MIAMI. It all turned around with Lou Saban coming in 1977 and promptly recruiting what some prep magazines said was the number one reciting class. Saban left after 78 and Schnelenberger took over and thats when the problems started foe the Crocodiles. Schnelly proceeded to beat them on a regular basis and the reptiles complained that their schedule in the SEC was to tough to fit Miami. A little known fact at the time is Florida looked into dropping FSU as well but state politicians warned them that they would cut state aid to the school if they did.At the time both FSU and Miami were independents.
Little known fact is you also don't know Florida football politics.. Florida wasn't trying to drop FSU. They didn't play them to begin with. FSU was girls college prior to the 1950's. Uf also saw no point in elevating FSU. FSU and Florida did not play until 1958. Florida's reluctance wasn't because of fear of FSU as UF dominated the series the first 20 plus years. It was over limited state funding for Universities early on and UF saw no reason to elevate a former all girls University that would end up ciphoning funds from UF
Btw, Florida led the series early and Miami's rise coincided with Florida's probation in the 80's. Miami almost dropped football altogether in the late 70's eatly 80's until UF went on probation. FSU also benefitted from UF penalties as their rise coincided as well. No probation for UF (almost death penalty like SMU) and Miami doesn't rise as quickly. As Florida was coming off it's penalties while not immediate also saw the fall of Miami. UF has maybe been overly conscience of NCAA violations and maybe played it too safe while everyone knows Miami has been cheating it's whole existence. UF didn't do anything Alabama and Miami weren't doing but Alabama who had a lot of pull in the SEC turned UF in despite also paying players.
What is best for the SEC is getting Virginia and North Carolina and it isn't even close. However, if the B1G comes calling those two will head there over the SEC. They wouldn't give it a second thought. Clemson, Florida St. and Miami doesn't expand the SEC footprint where Virginia and North Carolina does. It isn't all about football results but many don't see that.
IF the SEC is actually considering expansion and purposely not considering Miami it has LITTLE to do with Florida. It takes a lot of votes to block Miami and Florida's clout is diluted in a 14 team conference. So... who else might not want Miami. ALL the teams that depend on MIAMI talent to keep them elite. In the SEC these include: Alabama, LSU, Auburn. Several other teams also recruit in the area and pull great talent such as Georgia, Tennessee, and others that DONT WANT TO SEE Miami able to build a wall around the greatest recruiting hotspot in the country. You know who else wouldn't want Miami in the SEC? Clemson, FSU, UNC or whoever else the SEC might be interested in. SEC won't want Miami unless they think the B1G might invite them.
GBD doesn't think along these more complex lines. Three teams from Florida rather than the Virginia flagship? In which of the two Florida schools would the B1G have an interest? Greater alumn base? Better academics? FSU had success in the ACC while MIAMI waned almost immediately. I've read more and more comments from MIAMI fans claiming to prefer the BIG12 over the others, so maybe some inside bad news is floating around.
Miami has 5 National Championships 83, 87, 89, 91 and 2001 I don’t think jealousy is the main reason tho Miami sits in the best recruiting area in the country. Florida, Alabama, Texas AM, and Georgia, have been selling recruits in South Florida that they should play in the SEC. And before Mario came back home that pitch worked for a lot of players. If Miami is in the SEC recruiting in South Florida will be on lock down.
I think it's Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Virginia Tech to the SEC. Personally, I think North Carolina would go to the Big 10 because they're a better fit academically.
Just realized this, thee SEC is prioritizing Virginia over Miami and VA Tech because Virginia is the one that the Big Ten wants. 1. Virginia is the Washington to North Carolina's Oregon in football. In football, UNC and UVA are apparently a package deal. 2. Virginia is one of the *five AAU members in the AAU (Association of American Universities) along with North Carolina. The Big Ten sticks to AAU members (exception Notre Dame), with the only non-AAU in the B1G being former AAU member *Nebraska. BTW the third ACC AAU member is Duke which I don't think the SEC wants, but the Big Ten might consider including to get UNC and UVA. (Edit: Pitt and Ga Tech [Sleeping Giant in Atlanta] are oddball considerations for the Big Ten, but Virginia and North Carolina are the main ones.) 3. Bonus: the Big Ten has Maryland which is a rival to Virginia (and UNC). The Big Ten can make a pretty nice "East Coast" pod or two from Maryland, UNC, UVA, Penn State, Rutgers, and (if they want them) Duke. Virginia over Miami and Va Tech makes more sense Geopolitically than that first appears. Beside the SEC can probably beat the likes of the Big Ten for the likes of Miami, Virginia Tech, others anyway. Fighting the Big Ten for Virginia and North Carolina is the higher priority.
a) The ACC has 5 AAU members, but all members except L'VILLE are ~top 100 academically b) NEB is the sole non-AAU in the B1G, not CO c) Basically agree with the rest. GBD thinks like a WVU fan, so he misses this type of stuff.
Big 10 wants UNC / Duke / UVA out of the ACC. Miami ranks high academically, they have the med school, law school etc, if they can get the AAU thing sorted out the big 10 will jump at them…. In fact, I think even if maiami was “in the process” of AAU accreditation the big 10 would take them.
@@Manolo0528 Behind closed doors everyone thst is mad pounds the table…. Swears…… throws stiff at the wall and then They take a straw poll If the idea passes, when they come out it’s a unanimous vote
The reason why the SEC wants Virginia instead of Virginia Tech because they do not want Virginia in the Big10. The SEC nightmare is that the Big10 will add Virginia , North Carolina, and maybe Clemson, Georgia Tech and Florida school. That will open up recruiting for the Big10 in the south.
True. I am from Virginia and I can tell you, UVA would rather join the B1G over SEC. They emphasize academics and are a better cultural fit with the B1G.
@@jeffreywhitlock4882 "UVA would rather join the B1G over SEC." Have said that all along; nevertheless, I suspect that UVA has decided that (if it breaks that way) it is better to go with UNC to the SEC than to the B1G alone.
The "Source" that gave you this insider information of Florida University deserves an exuberant raise. I can tell just by his Intel on our name alone tells me anything else he says genuinely has to be 100% accurate! Thank you for your service to the football community as a whole kind sir!!! Now these aren't the same sources that has WVU to ACC as a lock by now right? I am only a little worried they are bc Florida University could be something that source had tried to portray in the past...wires in the head crossed type of deal
a) For love of whomever, ND is not joining the ACC if it loses brands, especially UNC & UVA. b) The SEC likely wants a NC and VA team before CLEMSON, certainly more that 2 more Florida teams c) UVA helps the SEC pull UNC, if not required
True, UVA is more important to UNC than anyone outside of Duke. NC State probably a distant third. The SEC and UNC compromising on UVA makes more sense but I wouldn't die of surprise if Duke and UNC ended up together in another conference.
Correct. However, the SEC isn't adding any more teams until the B1G adds more. It will be ND going to the B1G that triggers the SEC bringing in NC & VA teams.
Question: Where do u as a UNC fan want to land? I'm a B1G alum and I ask the newbies whether it was a good move. Nebraska would've done anything to get away from Texas, but culturally they felt comfortable. Maryland it depended on football vs. basketball preference -- football B1G great and basketball bad as you lost UNC/Duke. Rutgers was just happy to be invited anywhere.
@@mikebuck1897 "It will be ND going to the B1G that triggers the SEC bringing in NC & VA teams." I would say the opposite. As long as the ACC lives "as is", ND doesn't have to join the B1G. The ACC has too many brands to shut them out of a closed playoff, and allows ND to stay indy. On the other hand, the B1G making a run south from UVA to perhaps even FSU, will both cause the SEC to respond with some more ACC teams, leaving ND nowhere else to go.
@@GoldBlueDude no the sec just dont want them. y do you keep blaming other schools..show us where your getting this stupid info that schools are blocking Miami
UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA!!!! that's why the initials are UF!! University of Miami never sells out their games, unless they are playing FSU (average 67%). City of Miami doesn't support the private school located in Coral Gables, and they play 30 miles from campus. They don't bring any real money into the SEC for football or basketball. As for Florida not playing Miami... UF needed at least six seven home games (now seven) for budget reasons, SEC schools play eight conference games in an eleven game schedule (now twelve). Can't build a home-and-home series every year.
@@GoldBlueDude no it's the Flagship University in the state, University of FL. Most of these cane lovers are bandwagon and did not attend the U. It's the U because most of the players can't spell University.
According to the former president of the Marlins, they are legally bound to play in Marlins Park through 2047. There’s no reason why they couldn’t retrofit the stadium to make it multipurpose and add the Canes, but the Marlins aren’t moving. The big problem for the Canes is that Hard Rock Stadium is 30 minutes from campus. They need to build on campus. (If they can find a location.) Do like the Gophers did. Start “small” at 50k, but expandable to 80k.
1. they are not tearing down the Marlins stadium anytime soon, it was built in 2012 2. The Marlins are not moving anytime soon despite their abysmal attendance. New stadium >>>>> attendance in Rob Manfred's mind 3. The big problem for Miami right or wrong (I think wrong personally) is that Miami is a smaller private school thus the brand itself is smaller than one would think.
@@GoldBlueDude if any team moves to Nashville, it would be the Rays. No point in tearing down/ refurbishing the baseball stadium for football, in a neighborhood that the Dolphins fled years ago.
@@robertmathis4497 and the Rays aren't moving either. They'd move to Orlando before anywhere. Nashville just spent tens of million building a new AAA stadium where are they putting in a MLB one? And where is the money coming from?
It's an awesome stadium. If it ended up being a football only stadium there is at least some room to expand. Now... I've read the Marlins have an agreement not to move until 2040's or somesuch... but that was on a blog.
VT, Miami, NC State, UNC and Georgia Tech would be a great expansion in not just football but in basketball and baseball. When VT played Miami this year in baseball the stadium broke the attendance record with over 3k people in attendance
The B1G is definitely not taking Miami. If a school isn't worth at least $100 mil per year, they're not getting in because then the other schools in the conference would lose money.
@@harryballsak1123 Only because they don't do the graduate research AAU schools do. Academically the U is absolutely on par with the Big 10 schools. Also bringing in the U brings the biggest tv market in Florida. Like it or not the U brings big value.
What if Miami, UNC, and UVA want to go to the B1G and not the SEC? The B1G values academics and makes Billions from it. The SEC schools depend on their football programs to fund their schools.
Why Virginia & not VT? Because of North Carolina. Virginia is Carolina’s #2 football rivalry. (Duke is NC’s #1 rival in all sports). By bringing in Virginia instead of VT the SEC gets “South’s Oldest Rivalry” (NC/Va) to go alongside “Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry” (Auburn/Georgia).
@@elliottcrews4997 Yeah, UNC admins care far more about UVA than NC State. That and while UNC might be NC State's rival, NC State is not UNC's rival. UVA and UNC have played football for 126 iterations dating back to 1892. 2 more years and 15 more games than the NC State rivalry that has also been more lopsided in favor of UNC historically. The UVA/UNC rivalry is also known as "the oldest rivalry in the south". Additionally, SEC is not taking NC State. They'd sooner take Duke but UVA makes a better compromise position.
@@benjaminhawkes6693 It might be a big rivalry with the administrators but the fans don't consider it a big rivalry. The fans on both sides consider State/Carolina a huge rivalry. I actually don't think any of the ACC schools are leaving.
@@elliottcrews4997 The ties between UNC & UVA are longer and deeper than with anyone else, predating NCSTATE's existence by ~100 years. It's not just the revenue sports, but across the board. Similar births, history, prestige, you name it. Frankly, DUKE is #2 and NCSTATE is #3 for UNC's overall rivals.
@@tarheel7406 Actually I would put Duke at #1 rival & Virginia 2 instead of the other way around. Also Carolina & Duke played each other on rivalry weekend for decades. It was ACC schedule makers who switched it & made Carolina play NC State on rivalry weekend. Trying to play up a rivalry because since Duke can’t figure out this football thing ACC figured Carolina & State would bring bigger ratings.
I agree with your first four in. However, Virginia over Miami may not be due to Florida being jerks (although they definitely can be). As for the other three, Clemson and Florida State are widely believed to be the first two in. Nobody debates that. The debate comes with the other two. Miami is definitely in the discussion. 1. It has a national brand. 2. It has a big city market. The problem with Miami, is: 1. Like you said, Florida doesn't want any other teams from Florida. The SEC is already bringing in Florida State so (as an Aggie that felt blind-sided by the addition of Texas) I can kind of understand where they are coming from. 2. There is a feeling that Miami is playing fast and loose with NIL. Personally I don't know how you can play fast and loose with something where the rules haven't really been set. 3. The SEC has shown interest in wanting into the Virginia and North Carolina footprint. I personally think NC State and Virginia Tech would make a better fit in the SEC but UNC and UVA may work (if they don't find their way in to the B1G that is). Another school to consider is Oklahoma State. Yeah, I know it seems like a long-shot. However, it does have a history with Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M, and even a little history with Mizzou. Plus, it's one of the more watched Big 12 schools.
Right but this is more about the SEC wanting into Virginia than it is Florida having a problem with Miami. Quite frankly, if the SEC wants Miami, the other SEC schools will force Florida to go along (just like they forced A&M to accept Texas).
Virginia is more centrally located in the state of Virginia it gets the Richmond and DC markets. Miami is a hot bed for recruiting, SEC teams don't want Miami on the same level.
G&BD, good video. You may be right, but I think SEC does not want Miami because it is a small, private school (in a pro-football stadium). I do not believe their brand is as powerful as FSU or UF. Horns always Up!!!
Unless the SEC needs ~24, MIAMI is likely screwed. I suspect both the SEC & B1G would prefer FSU, and no matter where FSU goes, would either still want MIAMI? Maybe the B1G would take MIAMI if it loses FSU.
Miami has 5 National Championship’s … 83. 87, 89, 91 & 2001 ….. Florida doesn’t like playing Miami because they experienced & saw first hand how many Natty’s FSU lost out of because of playing UM …. Now that UM has the NIL & sitting directly in the middle of the hottest recruiting area in America, they’(UF) definitely don’t want any part of having to play UM on a regular basis…. Especially now that UM has hired Cristobal & has one of & arguably the best top coaching staff in college football…. They (UF) knows that if UM enters the SEC, UM will own the state of Florida & possibly be the next Bama like powerhouse team ….. Honestly UF is very scared & terrified of the thought of UM in the SEC …. They don’t fear FSU because they aren’t sitting directly in a hot bed of talent & 5 star recruits …. If UM is accepted in the SEC, it’s a game changer for the Canes & UF will be weeded out & reduced to just an average team that will only get the leftovers table scraps…. In other words, UF will become the next Gamecocks of the SEC bottom dwellers …. Hey Gators …. Y’all can RUN…. But you can’t Hide forever …. []_[]
those are rusty and Miami hasnt been relevant in a long time ...how close have they came to winning the ACC so why are we talking SEC...FSU and Clemson run the ACC
Not just Florida. I've been talking about the possibility that both the SEC and Big 10 might tell Miami to gtfo. Mario is killing it on the recruiting trail, imagine if he gets SEC or Big 10 money and a clear path to the national title, he could own Florida recruiting for a decade. All these other schools depend on that Florida talent pool. So if the Big 10 and SEC eventually become superconferences that have their own playoffs, they could really screw up Cristobal's plans by locking Miami out of the playoffs and relegating Miami to second tier status. No 5 stars would want to play at a school that cant win a national title. This way, the Bamas and OSUs can still plunder the greatest recruiting grounds in the nation.
@@cavediverjoe Really? It would be a lot easier for them to recruit S Florida if Miami was relegated to second tier status, neutering Cristobal's monster recruiting ability.
I think what a lot of people don't understand is that basketball plays a role in this as well. And Virginia has won a national championship within the last 3 years.
North Carolina, Duke and Virginia would be better off in the B1G, considering they are AAU members. Currently, every member of the Big Ten (except for Nebraska) is an AAU member. In order to expand the conference, the Big Ten would want any new school to be part of the AAU. The only exception to that rule being Notre Dame.
Not just as AAU members, all those schools have strong national alumni bases, especially in the Chicago, NY, DC, Philadelphia, and LA markets tieing in nicely to the current B1G footprint while also adding the Charlotte and Raleigh growing markets.
If the SEC wants to add even more teams I believe Clemson and Georgia Tech would make sense. Tech has had great rivalries with Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida and Clemson. Also have played Alabama, LSU and Kentucky a lot. ACC schools such as North Carolina and Virginia haven't been relevant in football since jets have been flying and would further dilute the quality of play.
Funny, as GATECH's chances likely hinge completely on UNC's decision. If UNC goes B1G, TECH may be packaged or SEC may take to keep the B1G from going further south. If UNC goes SEC, who then needs TECH? Nice to know how TECH views those ACC rivalries though, as then no need to package over a DUKE or FSU.
My 4 would've been Clemson, Florida State, Miami & Georgia Tech, the reason is Georgia Tech is a rival to Georgia and next group of 4 would be North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest & Virginia Tech.
The reason why Florida stopped playing Miami is because back in the ‘90’s The Gators played top 10 ranked Tennessee, FSU, and UM when many teams were skimping on their schedule. By doing so, Gators won a National Title. The Gators do play the Canes every few years.
@@tarheel7406 Yes, tech fits what the big 10 does academically, and it would get the on TV in Atlanta, doesn’t matter if they carry the market, it gets them on TV there.
expansion if the playoffs will take care of all of this. playing fsu and miami + sec schedule makes it very difficult. in every other sport Florida plays both schools
Football is ready to start soon. There is more to talk about, what ever happens is what happens. No fans will make ESPN or the SEC decide who is or out. As of right now, the SEC is not looking at expanding, wink, wink. As the President of the Universities are happy with the money each school gets as well be getting soon. Unless any team invited, does not lower the amount each team gets. There is no way it would be over 20 teams. They will struggle to get 20 worthwhile teams, plus no way will they accept lower money per school. Why people think there will be 2 expansions and 25 plus teams in the SEC or B1G. Goes back to the SEC teams do not want less money for teams brought in. You guys do know the NFL wants to get to 40 teams, right. FOX with ESPN are with the NFL. What a perfect way to get the NFL to 40 teams by having college football having 2 conferences with 40 teams. A practice run..
It's hard to fill a stadium in Miami gardens because it is too far away from the Campus and it's a private school with a relatively small student body. It's not that it's a pro stadium. It's that it is no where near the campus. Miami has played in a pro-stadium pretty much as long as the dolphins have been a pro-team. Though there was a break where the Orange bowl was mostly theirs and they actually shared with a professional football team that existed BEFORE the dolphins for a bit. The Orange Bowl was closer and built for the school, but it was always a municipal stadium that was, over the years, shared with many other tenants. There is some talk of the Marlins leaving. Their stadium sits on the same footprint. It's amazing though small (37,000). I would guess the city would want Miami to move back there and it's closer. It also hosts a bowl game already so it's fine for football. If they could add 10,000 seats it would suit Miami's needs for all games except FSU, UF and maybe a few B1G games that have a lot of Florida alums like Ohio State, Penn State or Michigan. As is, it is state of the art and would do fine for many games.
Or maybe the Marlins will stay (talk about a team with crap attendance). In any case, it might be a better choice to share that stadium, which can host football games.
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Florida has always hated Miami the rivalry goes back to 1938 alot of big games between us and Florida I know UF would never want The U in SEC but as a Miami fan it the best thing for college football... go Canes
Florida University lol. Florida is a joke, they rarely play an out of conference game outside the sate of Florida. I’m surprised they scheduled a home and home with Miami to be honest.
Word is that UNC and their administration/ fans do not want any part of the SEC. As a Duke supporter I would love to be a part of the league and become the sole North Carolina brand in the SEC. We could build our football brand similar to Texas AM.
That's like them adding 3 teams from Texas. If they have 2 teams from the same state that is sufficient. Remember A&M wasn't and isn't to crazy about them bring in Texas. So there probably some obstruction going on by Florida. Upside thou🤔 maybe an opportunity for the Big12 to increase their Florida presence...the U is gonna need a landing spot. For the ACC sake they better hope the grant of right doesn't change or their conference might disappear.
GBD, the SEC is making the right decision by focusing on FSU only in Florida. Here are additional factors. One, Miami has a small alumni base. Universities like Texas, UGA, and Bama usually have 50k or more students. Miami only has like 16k. That matters. Two, the on-campus stadium is a problem as you stated. But overall their facilities are lacking. Three, Miami is private. Look at the list of SEC universities. How many are named "The University of _____". A bunch of them, because, the SEC likes big state universities. Four, no state in the SEC footprint has more than two universities. That will not change anytime soon, but if it did the most likely state to get three would be Texas due to its size. Now once Texas has a third, Florida could be the next one after that.
@@lordrayden3045 The tv markets thing is dying as cable dies. Increasingly it's about brand power. Miami has a good brand, but hasn't done anything in 20 years, so their brand is hurting. They might get an invite somewhere else, but the SEC is way off in the future, if at all.
@@deadeye4520 It’s the markets. Getting on TV in the south Florida area. Look at the big 10 markets and you will see why they get ore money than the SEC
@@deadeye4520 It’s the markets. Getting on TV in the south Florida area. Look at the big 10 markets and you will see why they get ore money than the SEC
Not only Florida? South Carolina made a promise to the University of Miami’s football team? That they would never play another Miami football team? Watch the 1980’s when South Carolina was giving them fits! Sterling Sharp was the wide receiver for Carolina,watch this fight and who always started them? Miami made so many enemies that there lucky too be in the acc! There reputation in the 1980’s and thru the 1990’s that people never forget! Them cats were dirty as they come? Shit WV had on a yearly bases! God Bless our country and her football.
No teams from the ACC are leaving for the SEC because of the Grant of Rights. The Grant of Rights prevents teams from the ACC from leaving the conference.
People don’t understand that Hard Rock Stadium is better then 99% of the stadiums in college football. The issue is location not stadium quality...at least that’s what my Source told me.
According to Forbes: Florida State is the 14th most valuable brand in college athletics that is valued at $ 96 million. Florida State University is a large public university with alumni/ boosters/ fans through out the State of Florida, around the nation as well. The only other ACC member was Clemson at 25. Leaving Florida State behind would cause an uproar in the Legislature. Additionally, Florida State University & the University of Florida have a great working relationships ensuring both institutions receive the lions share of educational funding each legislative session. Another thing about Florida State, is that it is located within driving distance of a majority of the SEC teams. This follows a pattern of having 2 SEC teams in one state, and FSU is a public university with excellence in academics. The State of Florida cut Florida State University a check for $125 million for a laboratory & research 5 story building, on the campus of Tallahassee Memorial Hospital, that will sit on the 155 acres TMH main campus. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia, Florida are an easy drive along with other teams I did not mention. Culturally, Florida State, and Clemson fit right in, passionate fans, and 80,000+ seat stadiums. It is a very long drive to Miami. That being said Florida State has been in early discussions with both the SEC & the B1G, who wanted to assure FSU that if had not yet achieved AAU status, that would not hinder an invitation to join B1G. Most boosters would prefer playing down South, November can be quite cold in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and and other schools up North. But, I would rather join the SEC, staying South of the Mason-Dixon Line, and renew some old rivalries. I don’t expect any movement before 2025. Almost every school is looking at how to break the GOR, and their appear to be a couple ways that would require a coordinated exit of marque brands, and ESPN to abolish/tear up the contract and move schools from the ACC to the SEC. Those schools left behind would need to try to add some schools in an attempt to resurrect a new ACC, or dissolve (implode) the conference due to the ACC teams that left to join other leagues. ESPN is the biggest player in realignment and I am curious what ESPN has to say in this renegotiations.
@@tarheel7406. No. I forgot it is necessary to dumb down subjects for you. Freedom of speech is a right under our Constitution. If you come across something you’ve read before skip the comment. Surely you have the ability to go on to the next comment?
@@roris5882, perhaps. But, traveling to the Midwest and to California (LA) for volleyball, sand volleyball, soccer, baseball, swimming, etc… Would send traveling would go sky high! Florida State sports are currently property of ESPN. I don’t see them handing over one of their hot commodities to B1G & FOX. It’s likely they would move FSU to the SEC; however, it is nice to have options and I don’t anticipate any other marquee programs moving before 2025. Both ESPN & FOX are the drivers in this new era of college athletics. I pray they don’t destroy college football in the process. ✌🏼
@@timothyblack3322 "But, traveling to the Midwest and to California (LA) for volleyball, sand volleyball, soccer, baseball, swimming, etc… Would send traveling would go sky high!" Really? If FSU went to the B1G it would be due to being in a package with UVA through GATECH, ending up in a regional sub-division. "I don’t see them handing over one of their hot commodities to B1G & FOX." That's why it's called a "poach" rather than a "trade" in a lot of cases.
The only times the Orange Bowl was sold out for a Miami game was when they played Florida State. Florida has been ducking Miami for yrs & I really think they're scared to play them for some reason.
@@donpavia746 First off the point of my comment was they don't play that often {only 7 times since 1987} secondly i'm a Noles fan not a Hurricanes fan so mind your business!
Don't want Miami in SEC. They have a bad reputation from earlier seasons(back in the 80s?) when they were known as Thug U and it was well deserved. They bring nothing the SEC doesn't already have. It would just empower Miami as a SEC member at the expense of Fla.
If you don't have a decent stadium take a hike. The SEC is all about big historical stadiums. I know there is Vandy, but they should have been kicked out years ago
Miami isn't getting in for the same reason Oregon and Washington will probably not get in the B1G anytime in the near future. They don't add enough value to the conference to justify bringing them in.
@@adrianflemming1898 FSU probably doesn't bring any value, but it brings more than Miami. It's got a lot bigger fan base, and although they've been awful lately, apparently they get good TV numbers. As for Virginia and NC, in case you haven't noticed, the SEC is looking at grabbing flagship programs. If SEC expands again, I doubt they'll go past 18 in Clemson and NC.
Miami, UNC, and UVA look like B1G material to me because the snooty elites that run those schools value academics and they value the $Billions made from B1G AAU certifications and research grants.
@ Gold and Blue Dude - Miami and Florida State BOTH turned down invites to join the S.E.C. in the year 1990. It is a FACT that you can easily look up for yourself. Florida does not want to play Miami every year because of their S.E.C. schedule. It makes zero sense to add Miami to an already difficult schedule. Saying that Florida is the reason that Miami will or will not get in is just ignorant and pure speculation. Stop bashing Florida without having Facts to back up what you are claiming.
Florida doesn't have that much power the whole sec doesn't want Miami because it would hurt them in recruiting south Florida because they always tell the kids don't you want to play in the SEC but if Miami is in the SEC that goes away
Miami has 5 National Championships....I am a grad of both UF and UM and you hit the nail on the head!
I don't know how I looked at the wrong page but I did, Miami has FIVE college football national championships.
1983,1987,1989,1991 and 2001.
Florida was fine playing Miami until the Canes became the MIAMI. It all turned around with Lou Saban coming in 1977 and promptly recruiting what some prep magazines said was the number one reciting class. Saban left after 78 and Schnelenberger took over and thats when the problems started foe the Crocodiles. Schnelly proceeded to beat them on a regular basis and the reptiles complained that their schedule in the SEC was to tough to fit Miami. A little known fact at the time is Florida looked into dropping FSU as well but state politicians warned them that they would cut state aid to the school if they did.At the time both FSU and Miami were independents.
Little known fact is you also don't know Florida football politics.. Florida wasn't trying to drop FSU. They didn't play them to begin with. FSU was girls college prior to the 1950's. Uf also saw no point in elevating FSU. FSU and Florida did not play until 1958. Florida's reluctance wasn't because of fear of FSU as UF dominated the series the first 20 plus years. It was over limited state funding for Universities early on and UF saw no reason to elevate a former all girls University that would end up ciphoning funds from UF
Btw, Florida led the series early and Miami's rise coincided with Florida's probation in the 80's. Miami almost dropped football altogether in the late 70's eatly 80's until UF went on probation. FSU also benefitted from UF penalties as their rise coincided as well. No probation for UF (almost death penalty like SMU) and Miami doesn't rise as quickly. As Florida was coming off it's penalties while not immediate also saw the fall of Miami. UF has maybe been overly conscience of NCAA violations and maybe played it too safe while everyone knows Miami has been cheating it's whole existence. UF didn't do anything Alabama and Miami weren't doing but Alabama who had a lot of pull in the SEC turned UF in despite also paying players.
What is best for the SEC is getting Virginia and North Carolina and it isn't even close. However, if the B1G comes calling those two will head there over the SEC. They wouldn't give it a second thought. Clemson, Florida St. and Miami doesn't expand the SEC footprint where Virginia and North Carolina does. It isn't all about football results but many don't see that.
Been saying for months that the SEC would take VATECH/NCSTATE over CLEMSON/FSU if that's what it takes for the VA/NC footprint.
Florida is scared of Miami
Everyone should be scared of Miami in the SEC the talent they’ll will be like the late 90’s early 2000’s
IF the SEC is actually considering expansion and purposely not considering Miami it has LITTLE to do with Florida. It takes a lot of votes to block Miami and Florida's clout is diluted in a 14 team conference. So... who else might not want Miami. ALL the teams that depend on MIAMI talent to keep them elite. In the SEC these include: Alabama, LSU, Auburn. Several other teams also recruit in the area and pull great talent such as Georgia, Tennessee, and others that DONT WANT TO SEE Miami able to build a wall around the greatest recruiting hotspot in the country. You know who else wouldn't want Miami in the SEC? Clemson, FSU, UNC or whoever else the SEC might be interested in. SEC won't want Miami unless they think the B1G might invite them.
Good points. Miami only draws on the road. No attendance, or vet little at home.
I have a weird feeling that big 10 wants Miami and they will go to big 10
GBD doesn't think along these more complex lines. Three teams from Florida rather than the Virginia flagship? In which of the two Florida schools would the B1G have an interest? Greater alumn base? Better academics? FSU had success in the ACC while MIAMI waned almost immediately.
I've read more and more comments from MIAMI fans claiming to prefer the BIG12 over the others, so maybe some inside bad news is floating around.
@@tarheel7406 Hell no, rather go BIG 10. No BIG 12!!
BINGO!!!!
The SEC should add Florida State, Clemson, NC State, and Virginia Tech
That's my preference as well.
@@mikebuck1897 Hrumph!! Give the Gov' an Hrumph!!!
VATECH, NCSTATE, CLEMSON, FSU has been my to SEC call for months. FSU may opt for the B1G if it has a choice.
That's what I think because the good academic schools would rather go to the B1G.
Miami has 5 National Championships 83, 87, 89, 91 and 2001
I don’t think jealousy is the main reason tho
Miami sits in the best recruiting area in the country. Florida, Alabama, Texas AM, and Georgia, have been selling recruits in South Florida that they should play in the SEC. And before Mario came back home that pitch worked for a lot of players. If Miami is in the SEC recruiting in South Florida will be on lock down.
What if.. .. Miami goes to B1G
I think it's Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Virginia Tech to the SEC. Personally, I think North Carolina would go to the Big 10 because they're a better fit academically.
Va Tech over UVA, please.
You got to go through Charlottesville drive 2 more hours to get to Blacksburg.
Miami has 5 NC.
Just realized this, thee SEC is prioritizing Virginia over Miami and VA Tech because Virginia is the one that the Big Ten wants.
1. Virginia is the Washington to North Carolina's Oregon in football. In football, UNC and UVA are apparently a package deal.
2. Virginia is one of the *five AAU members in the AAU (Association of American Universities) along with North Carolina. The Big Ten sticks to AAU members (exception Notre Dame), with the only non-AAU in the B1G being former AAU member *Nebraska. BTW the third ACC AAU member is Duke which I don't think the SEC wants, but the Big Ten might consider including to get UNC and UVA. (Edit: Pitt and Ga Tech [Sleeping Giant in Atlanta] are oddball considerations for the Big Ten, but Virginia and North Carolina are the main ones.)
3. Bonus: the Big Ten has Maryland which is a rival to Virginia (and UNC). The Big Ten can make a pretty nice "East Coast" pod or two from Maryland, UNC, UVA, Penn State, Rutgers, and (if they want them) Duke.
Virginia over Miami and Va Tech makes more sense Geopolitically than that first appears. Beside the SEC can probably beat the likes of the Big Ten for the likes of Miami, Virginia Tech, others anyway. Fighting the Big Ten for Virginia and North Carolina is the higher priority.
a) The ACC has 5 AAU members, but all members except L'VILLE are ~top 100 academically
b) NEB is the sole non-AAU in the B1G, not CO
c) Basically agree with the rest. GBD thinks like a WVU fan, so he misses this type of stuff.
@@tarheel7406 Thanks. Few screw ups by me. Will be edited.
Big 10 wants UNC / Duke / UVA out of the ACC.
Miami ranks high academically, they have the med school, law school etc, if they can get the AAU thing sorted out the big 10 will jump at them…. In fact, I think even if maiami was “in the process” of AAU accreditation the big 10 would take them.
Michigan did the same thing to Michigan State when we tried to join the B1G in 1949 but we still got the B1G
Well I’m sure AM, Arkansas and others were pissed the SEC took Texas,
How’d that work out?
Good Memory.
@@lordrayden3045 Not sure about “others” but A&M & Arkansas can’t be happy because they left Big 12 to get away from Texas.
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Behind closed doors everyone thst is mad pounds the table…. Swears…… throws stiff at the wall and then They take a straw poll
If the idea passes, when they come out it’s a unanimous vote
@@lordrayden3045 Mmmm…..Yeah, I’ll buy that.
The reason why the SEC wants Virginia instead of Virginia Tech because they do not want Virginia in the Big10. The SEC nightmare is that the Big10 will add Virginia , North Carolina, and maybe Clemson, Georgia Tech and Florida school. That will open up recruiting for the Big10 in the south.
Good point
Let bring down big 10. SEC doesn't need them, they would be a drain on conference. No value.
True. I am from Virginia and I can tell you, UVA would rather join the B1G over SEC. They emphasize academics and are a better cultural fit with the B1G.
Virginia is a better fit, culturally, with the B1G (same as UNC). Give me NC State and VA Tech
@@jeffreywhitlock4882 "UVA would rather join the B1G over SEC."
Have said that all along; nevertheless, I suspect that UVA has decided that (if it breaks that way) it is better to go with UNC to the SEC than to the B1G alone.
The "Source" that gave you this insider information of Florida University deserves an exuberant raise. I can tell just by his Intel on our name alone tells me anything else he says genuinely has to be 100% accurate! Thank you for your service to the football community as a whole kind sir!!! Now these aren't the same sources that has WVU to ACC as a lock by now right? I am only a little worried they are bc Florida University could be something that source had tried to portray in the past...wires in the head crossed type of deal
good catch, FU (Florida Univ, not something else)!
a) For love of whomever, ND is not joining the ACC if it loses brands, especially UNC & UVA.
b) The SEC likely wants a NC and VA team before CLEMSON, certainly more that 2 more Florida teams
c) UVA helps the SEC pull UNC, if not required
True, UVA is more important to UNC than anyone outside of Duke. NC State probably a distant third. The SEC and UNC compromising on UVA makes more sense but I wouldn't die of surprise if Duke and UNC ended up together in another conference.
Correct. However, the SEC isn't adding any more teams until the B1G adds more. It will be ND going to the B1G that triggers the SEC bringing in NC & VA teams.
Tar Heel, I like the cut of your jib. You post ALOT of stuff that I agree with.
Question: Where do u as a UNC fan want to land?
I'm a B1G alum and I ask the newbies whether it was a good move.
Nebraska would've done anything to get away from Texas, but culturally they felt comfortable.
Maryland it depended on football vs. basketball preference -- football B1G great and basketball bad as you lost UNC/Duke.
Rutgers was just happy to be invited anywhere.
@@mikebuck1897 "It will be ND going to the B1G that triggers the SEC bringing in NC & VA teams."
I would say the opposite. As long as the ACC lives "as is", ND doesn't have to join the B1G. The ACC has too many brands to shut them out of a closed playoff, and allows ND to stay indy. On the other hand, the B1G making a run south from UVA to perhaps even FSU, will both cause the SEC to respond with some more ACC teams, leaving ND nowhere else to go.
So, it's The University of Florida (UF), not Florida University (FU)😳
Florida can't block it. It only takes a 75% vote from the teams in the sec to add a member.
Oh my bad didn't know that, makes sense though. So the entire SEC feels the same way as Florida?
@@GoldBlueDude You didn't know it was 75%? This has been discussed several times under your vids. Do you ever learn and adjust?
@@GoldBlueDude no the sec just dont want them. y do you keep blaming other schools..show us where your getting this stupid info that schools are blocking Miami
@@michaeldixon4505 I literally took screenshots and put them in the video...
@@tarheel7406 I don't see EVERY comment, that's not possible...
Florida is afraid of Miami
Hardly! They beat them 2 years ago!
@@donpavia746 Yes, then why not want them in the SEC? Can you make a credible answer to that?
Just UCF… Come on GB dude. UCF is the future of CFB in FL and a future national power house. Go Knights! ⚔️
The same thing happened with Texas A@M when OU and Texas initially tried to join
I’m sire AM, Arkansas and others were pissed about Texas coming in, how’d that work?
UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA!!!! that's why the initials are UF!!
University of Miami never sells out their games, unless they are playing FSU (average 67%). City of Miami doesn't support the private school located in Coral Gables, and they play 30 miles from campus. They don't bring any real money into the SEC for football or basketball.
As for Florida not playing Miami... UF needed at least six seven home games (now seven) for budget reasons, SEC schools play eight conference games in an eleven game schedule (now twelve). Can't build a home-and-home series every year.
I thought it was F-U..
@@GoldBlueDude no it's the Flagship University in the state, University of FL. Most of these cane lovers are bandwagon and did not attend the U. It's the U because most of the players can't spell University.
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Right
Sure thing sparky
@@lordrayden3045 U know it's true! #SUCKS to be U!
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Well no
They will be just fine
In fact if they get their AAU status they will end up in the big 10 and be better off than FSU / Florida
Would love to have Miami in the SEC. Everyone knows Miami is ascending.
I love that you added “sources” to the intro
He should hold up a Magic 8-Ball when he says "sources"
According to the former president of the Marlins, they are legally bound to play in Marlins Park through 2047. There’s no reason why they couldn’t retrofit the stadium to make it multipurpose and add the Canes, but the Marlins aren’t moving. The big problem for the Canes is that Hard Rock Stadium is 30 minutes from campus. They need to build on campus. (If they can find a location.) Do like the Gophers did. Start “small” at 50k, but expandable to 80k.
1. they are not tearing down the Marlins stadium anytime soon, it was built in 2012
2. The Marlins are not moving anytime soon despite their abysmal attendance. New stadium >>>>> attendance in Rob Manfred's mind
3. The big problem for Miami right or wrong (I think wrong personally) is that Miami is a smaller private school thus the brand itself is smaller than one would think.
It's legitimately being talked about to move the Marlins to Nashville. They wouldn't have to tear it down, just modify it..
@@GoldBlueDude if any team moves to Nashville, it would be the Rays. No point in tearing down/ refurbishing the baseball stadium for football, in a neighborhood that the Dolphins fled years ago.
@@GoldBlueDude Link? because I'm calling your BS
@@robertmathis4497 and the Rays aren't moving either. They'd move to Orlando before anywhere. Nashville just spent tens of million building a new AAA stadium where are they putting in a MLB one? And where is the money coming from?
It's an awesome stadium. If it ended up being a football only stadium there is at least some room to expand. Now... I've read the Marlins have an agreement not to move until 2040's or somesuch... but that was on a blog.
VT, Miami, NC State, UNC and Georgia Tech would be a great expansion in not just football but in basketball and baseball. When VT played Miami this year in baseball the stadium broke the attendance record with over 3k people in attendance
Sound like B1G to me because they have good academics.
4??? 5 RINGS AT THE U!!! They’re working on adding to the other hand. Just an FYI…the U had a chance at 9 NCs.
Yale and Harvard have more & no one wants them either, it's irrelevant.
It the SEC passes on Miami, I think the Big 10 will move in and take the Canes. That would give them a recruiting foothold in the state.
The B1G is definitely not taking Miami. If a school isn't worth at least $100 mil per year, they're not getting in because then the other schools in the conference would lose money.
Is UM an AAU school? Nope
@@harryballsak1123 Only because they don't do the graduate research AAU schools do. Academically the U is absolutely on par with the Big 10 schools. Also bringing in the U brings the biggest tv market in Florida. Like it or not the U brings big value.
What if Miami, UNC, and UVA want to go to the B1G and not the SEC? The B1G values academics and makes Billions from it. The SEC schools depend on their football programs to fund their schools.
Why Virginia & not VT? Because of North Carolina. Virginia is Carolina’s #2 football rivalry. (Duke is NC’s #1 rival in all sports).
By bringing in Virginia instead of VT the SEC gets “South’s Oldest Rivalry” (NC/Va) to go alongside “Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry” (Auburn/Georgia).
UVA isn't a major rival of UNCCH. They have two rivals Duke and NC State.
@@elliottcrews4997 Yeah, UNC admins care far more about UVA than NC State. That and while UNC might be NC State's rival, NC State is not UNC's rival. UVA and UNC have played football for 126 iterations dating back to 1892. 2 more years and 15 more games than the NC State rivalry that has also been more lopsided in favor of UNC historically. The UVA/UNC rivalry is also known as "the oldest rivalry in the south". Additionally, SEC is not taking NC State. They'd sooner take Duke but UVA makes a better compromise position.
@@benjaminhawkes6693 It might be a big rivalry with the administrators but the fans don't consider it a big rivalry. The fans on both sides consider State/Carolina a huge rivalry. I actually don't think any of the ACC schools are leaving.
@@elliottcrews4997 The ties between UNC & UVA are longer and deeper than with anyone else, predating NCSTATE's existence by ~100 years. It's not just the revenue sports, but across the board. Similar births, history, prestige, you name it. Frankly, DUKE is #2 and NCSTATE is #3 for UNC's overall rivals.
@@tarheel7406 Actually I would put Duke at #1 rival & Virginia 2 instead of the other way around.
Also Carolina & Duke played each other on rivalry weekend for decades. It was ACC schedule makers who switched it & made Carolina play NC State on rivalry weekend. Trying to play up a rivalry because since Duke can’t figure out this football thing ACC figured Carolina & State would bring bigger ratings.
I agree with your first four in. However, Virginia over Miami may not be due to Florida being jerks (although they definitely can be). As for the other three, Clemson and Florida State are widely believed to be the first two in. Nobody debates that. The debate comes with the other two. Miami is definitely in the discussion. 1. It has a national brand. 2. It has a big city market. The problem with Miami, is: 1. Like you said, Florida doesn't want any other teams from Florida. The SEC is already bringing in Florida State so (as an Aggie that felt blind-sided by the addition of Texas) I can kind of understand where they are coming from. 2. There is a feeling that Miami is playing fast and loose with NIL. Personally I don't know how you can play fast and loose with something where the rules haven't really been set. 3. The SEC has shown interest in wanting into the Virginia and North Carolina footprint. I personally think NC State and Virginia Tech would make a better fit in the SEC but UNC and UVA may work (if they don't find their way in to the B1G that is). Another school to consider is Oklahoma State. Yeah, I know it seems like a long-shot. However, it does have a history with Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M, and even a little history with Mizzou. Plus, it's one of the more watched Big 12 schools.
UF wouldn't have an issue with FSU being in the SEC. They play each other every year anyway
Right but this is more about the SEC wanting into Virginia than it is Florida having a problem with Miami. Quite frankly, if the SEC wants Miami, the other SEC schools will force Florida to go along (just like they forced A&M to accept Texas).
Virginia is more centrally located in the state of Virginia it gets the Richmond and DC markets. Miami is a hot bed for recruiting, SEC teams don't want Miami on the same level.
G&BD, good video. You may be right, but I think SEC does not want Miami because it is a small, private school (in a pro-football stadium). I do not believe their brand is as powerful as FSU or UF. Horns always Up!!!
Only problem is if they don’t take them, the big 10 will
@@lordrayden3045 Is Miami an AAU institution? If not, then no B1G invite.
Unless the SEC needs ~24, MIAMI is likely screwed. I suspect both the SEC & B1G would prefer FSU, and no matter where FSU goes, would either still want MIAMI? Maybe the B1G would take MIAMI if it loses FSU.
Miami has 5 National Championship’s … 83. 87, 89, 91 & 2001 ….. Florida doesn’t like playing Miami because they experienced & saw first hand how many Natty’s FSU lost out of because of playing UM …. Now that UM has the NIL & sitting directly in the middle of the hottest recruiting area in America, they’(UF) definitely don’t want any part of having to play UM on a regular basis…. Especially now that UM has hired Cristobal & has one of & arguably the best top coaching staff in college football…. They (UF) knows that if UM enters the SEC, UM will own the state of Florida & possibly be the next Bama like powerhouse team ….. Honestly UF is very scared & terrified of the thought of UM in the SEC …. They don’t fear FSU because they aren’t sitting directly in a hot bed of talent & 5 star recruits …. If UM is accepted in the SEC, it’s a game changer for the Canes & UF will be weeded out & reduced to just an average team that will only get the leftovers table scraps…. In other words, UF will become the next Gamecocks of the SEC bottom dwellers …. Hey Gators …. Y’all can RUN…. But you can’t Hide forever …. []_[]
Miami has 5 National Championships!!!
those are rusty and Miami hasnt been relevant in a long time ...how close have they came to winning the ACC so why are we talking SEC...FSU and Clemson run the ACC
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Florida and Miami rivalry cause Steve Spurrier became the Gators head coach in 1990 he should kept playing Miami to start the season
Florida is so annoying go Miami
Not just Florida. I've been talking about the possibility that both the SEC and Big 10 might tell Miami to gtfo. Mario is killing it on the recruiting trail, imagine if he gets SEC or Big 10 money and a clear path to the national title, he could own Florida recruiting for a decade. All these other schools depend on that Florida talent pool.
So if the Big 10 and SEC eventually become superconferences that have their own playoffs, they could really screw up Cristobal's plans by locking Miami out of the playoffs and relegating Miami to second tier status. No 5 stars would want to play at a school that cant win a national title. This way, the Bamas and OSUs can still plunder the greatest recruiting grounds in the nation.
I think the Big 10 would take Miami because it gives them a better shot at recruiting in South Florida.
@@cavediverjoe Really? It would be a lot easier for them to recruit S Florida if Miami was relegated to second tier status, neutering Cristobal's monster recruiting ability.
@@r.s.w.k4569 Sorry partner. Recruiting is better when they can go to a game and see you play.
@@r.s.w.k4569 You're forgetting about being able to play in front of family. That's big when it comes to recruiting.
I think what a lot of people don't understand is that basketball plays a role in this as well. And Virginia has won a national championship within the last 3 years.
North Carolina, Duke and Virginia would be better off in the B1G, considering they are AAU members. Currently, every member of the Big Ten (except for Nebraska) is an AAU member. In order to expand the conference, the Big Ten would want any new school to be part of the AAU. The only exception to that rule being Notre Dame.
Not just as AAU members, all those schools have strong national alumni bases, especially in the Chicago, NY, DC, Philadelphia, and LA markets tieing in nicely to the current B1G footprint while also adding the Charlotte and Raleigh growing markets.
I don't see the B1G inviting Duke.
@@roris5882 Ignoring any ND demands, DUKE is likely a better option than STANFORD
If the SEC wants to add even more teams I believe Clemson and Georgia Tech would make sense. Tech has had great rivalries with Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida and Clemson. Also have played Alabama, LSU and Kentucky a lot. ACC schools such as North Carolina and Virginia haven't been relevant in football since jets have been flying and would further dilute the quality of play.
Funny, as GATECH's chances likely hinge completely on UNC's decision. If UNC goes B1G, TECH may be packaged or SEC may take to keep the B1G from going further south. If UNC goes SEC, who then needs TECH?
Nice to know how TECH views those ACC rivalries though, as then no need to package over a DUKE or FSU.
My 4 would've been Clemson, Florida State, Miami & Georgia Tech, the reason is Georgia Tech is a rival to Georgia and next group of 4 would be North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest & Virginia Tech.
Georgia tech adds absolutely nothing to the SEC. The Atlanta market is already Bulldog country.
The reason why Florida stopped playing Miami is because back in the ‘90’s
The Gators played top 10 ranked Tennessee, FSU, and UM when many teams were skimping on their schedule.
By doing so, Gators won a National Title.
The Gators do play the Canes every few years.
GT has great academic, plus they are in the ATL market, and that's what the B1G values.
@@roris5882 GATECH doesn't even carry Atlanta. The B1G would be interested in the hope that the change would help GATECH be a bigger #2 in Georgia.
@@tarheel7406
Yes, tech fits what the big 10 does academically, and it would get the on TV in Atlanta, doesn’t matter if they carry the market, it gets them on TV there.
expansion if the playoffs will take care of all of this. playing fsu and miami + sec schedule makes it very difficult. in every other sport Florida plays both schools
Football is ready to start soon. There is more to talk about, what ever happens is what happens. No fans will make ESPN or the SEC decide who is or out. As of right now, the SEC is not looking at expanding, wink, wink. As the President of the Universities are happy with the money each school gets as well be getting soon. Unless any team invited, does not lower the amount each team gets.
There is no way it would be over 20 teams. They will struggle to get 20 worthwhile teams, plus no way will they accept lower money per school. Why people think there will be 2 expansions and 25 plus teams in the SEC or B1G. Goes back to the SEC teams do not want less money for teams brought in.
You guys do know the NFL wants to get to 40 teams, right. FOX with ESPN are with the NFL. What a perfect way to get the NFL to 40 teams by having college football having 2 conferences with 40 teams. A practice run..
More likely Saban doesn't want Miami, he already has Texas & A&M he can't compete with for NIL not to mention Tennessee.
That is true. He recruits S Florida heavily, so keeping Miami out helps UF and Bama the most
Great show GBD 🤘
Saban doesn't want them so they are goin to the B1G. You heard it from her folks.
where’s florida university?
I think it's in Cuba or something.
It's hard to fill a stadium in Miami gardens because it is too far away from the Campus and it's a private school with a relatively small student body. It's not that it's a pro stadium. It's that it is no where near the campus. Miami has played in a pro-stadium pretty much as long as the dolphins have been a pro-team. Though there was a break where the Orange bowl was mostly theirs and they actually shared with a professional football team that existed BEFORE the dolphins for a bit. The Orange Bowl was closer and built for the school, but it was always a municipal stadium that was, over the years, shared with many other tenants. There is some talk of the Marlins leaving. Their stadium sits on the same footprint. It's amazing though small (37,000). I would guess the city would want Miami to move back there and it's closer. It also hosts a bowl game already so it's fine for football. If they could add 10,000 seats it would suit Miami's needs for all games except FSU, UF and maybe a few B1G games that have a lot of Florida alums like Ohio State, Penn State or Michigan. As is, it is state of the art and would do fine for many games.
Or maybe the Marlins will stay (talk about a team with crap attendance). In any case, it might be a better choice to share that stadium, which can host football games.
The stadium used to host a bowl (now the Frisco Bowl). Miami's also played a game there against FIU in 2019.
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Florida has always hated Miami the rivalry goes back to 1938 alot of big games between us and Florida I know UF would never want The U in SEC but as a Miami fan it the best thing for college football... go Canes
Just like the Gators to block the Canes. #TheHateIsReal 👋🏽
They need to warn the SEC about the U. As a charter member of the SEC I am sure they have a little weight.
If the SEC does expand, they would be stupid if the first 2 teams wasn't Clemson and WVU.......Now that's the way to go
😂 Texas A&M to the Big-10 when Texas and Oklahoma come in to the SEC? 🤷♂️
I like it, the B1G needs a Texas recruiting footprint to drive the SEC insane.
Florida University lol. Florida is a joke, they rarely play an out of conference game outside the sate of Florida. I’m surprised they scheduled a home and home with Miami to be honest.
Were you surprised they beat the U 2 years ago?
FSU fan here, Miami actually has 5 national championships in football.
Word is that UNC and their administration/ fans do not want any part of the SEC. As a Duke supporter I would love to be a part of the league and become the sole North Carolina brand in the SEC. We could build our football brand similar to Texas AM.
a) UNC Admin prefers B1G; fans/BMDs prefer SEC
b) I can't see either taking DUKE sans UNC
That's like them adding 3 teams from Texas. If they have 2 teams from the same state that is sufficient. Remember A&M wasn't and isn't to crazy about them bring in Texas. So there probably some obstruction going on by Florida.
Upside thou🤔 maybe an opportunity for the Big12 to increase their Florida presence...the U is gonna need a landing spot. For the ACC sake they better hope the grant of right doesn't change or their conference might disappear.
Maybe the SEC wants Virginia for their academics more than their football brand. Just a thought. I agree that VA Tech would be a better choice.
SEC needs a footprint in WV
GBD, the SEC is making the right decision by focusing on FSU only in Florida. Here are additional factors. One, Miami has a small alumni base. Universities like Texas, UGA, and Bama usually have 50k or more students. Miami only has like 16k. That matters. Two, the on-campus stadium is a problem as you stated. But overall their facilities are lacking. Three, Miami is private. Look at the list of SEC universities. How many are named "The University of _____". A bunch of them, because, the SEC likes big state universities. Four, no state in the SEC footprint has more than two universities. That will not change anytime soon, but if it did the most likely state to get three would be Texas due to its size. Now once Texas has a third, Florida could be the next one after that.
It’s about TV markets.
Also, if the SEC chooses nkt to take Miami, the big 12 or big 10 will
@@lordrayden3045 The tv markets thing is dying as cable dies. Increasingly it's about brand power. Miami has a good brand, but hasn't done anything in 20 years, so their brand is hurting. They might get an invite somewhere else, but the SEC is way off in the future, if at all.
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It’s the markets.
Getting on TV in the south Florida area.
Look at the big 10 markets and you will see why they get ore money than the SEC
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It’s the markets.
Getting on TV in the south Florida area.
Look at the big 10 markets and you will see why they get ore money than the SEC
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If it’s not markets explain to the class why Stanford is worth $15-$20 million more per year than Oregon
Not only Florida? South Carolina made a promise to the University of Miami’s football team? That they would never play another Miami football team? Watch the 1980’s when South Carolina was giving them fits! Sterling Sharp was the wide receiver for
Carolina,watch this fight and who always started them? Miami made so many enemies that there lucky too be in the acc! There reputation in the 1980’s and thru the 1990’s that people never forget! Them cats were dirty as they come? Shit WV had on a yearly bases! God Bless our country and her football.
They’re in works right now on a stadium.
The governor of California just got involved with UCLA and he’s pissed, there will be consequences and UCLA isn’t going anywhere.
If SEC was smart they would bring Miami, Clemson, FSU, VT, WV and Louisville forget the rest. 5 Natty not 4
CLEMSON, VATECH, NCSTATE +1 ACC team
6 if you add the one the refs took from them.
@@petechau9616 bingo
Just thought of something, what if Miami joins the Big 12?
That would be a great add for new, expanded big XII (pairing with UCF).
@@leebarden688 that will change everything for the Big 12 I mean they got to do everything they can to survive
There is no point for Miami to go to the Big12 to make less then the B1G and SEC.
No teams from the ACC are leaving for the SEC because of the Grant of Rights. The Grant of Rights prevents teams from the ACC from leaving the conference.
Catch up, not if 8+ teams threaten to dissolve the conference
I agree Miami and VT would be a fit in the SEC
I am a lifelong Florida fan and we don’t give a crap about the University of Miami
And also UF can’t use that as a recruiting tool if Canes come to the SEC.
Honesty as a Florida state fan I would rather Florida state & Miami & VT & West Virginia join the Big10
Big 10 would NEVER take West Virginia but.... Miami, Florida State, and Virginia Tech is a different story, that could actually happen!!
GBD, the new SEC commissioner
People don’t understand that Hard Rock Stadium is better then 99% of the stadiums in college football. The issue is location not stadium quality...at least that’s what my Source told me.
I do not think ANYONE knows what Greg Sankey is going to do, and who will approach the SEC.... NO ONE really knows.....!!!
According to Forbes: Florida State is the 14th most valuable brand in college athletics that is valued at $ 96 million. Florida State University is a large public university with alumni/ boosters/ fans through out the State of Florida, around the nation as well. The only other ACC member was Clemson at 25. Leaving Florida State behind would cause an uproar in the Legislature. Additionally, Florida State University & the University of Florida have a great working relationships ensuring both institutions receive the lions share of educational funding each legislative session. Another thing about Florida State, is that it is located within driving distance of a majority of the SEC teams. This follows a pattern of having 2 SEC teams in one state, and FSU is a public university with excellence in academics. The State of Florida cut Florida State University a check for $125 million for a laboratory & research 5 story building, on the campus of Tallahassee Memorial Hospital, that will sit on the 155 acres TMH main campus. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia, Florida are an easy drive along with other teams I did not mention. Culturally, Florida State, and Clemson fit right in, passionate fans, and 80,000+ seat stadiums. It is a very long drive to Miami. That being said Florida State has been in early discussions with both the SEC & the B1G, who wanted to assure FSU that if had not yet achieved AAU status, that would not hinder an invitation to join B1G. Most boosters would prefer playing down South, November can be quite cold in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and and other schools up North. But, I would rather join the SEC, staying South of the Mason-Dixon Line, and renew some old rivalries. I don’t expect any movement before 2025. Almost every school is looking at how to break the GOR, and their appear to be a couple ways that would require a coordinated exit of marque brands, and ESPN to abolish/tear up the contract and move schools from the ACC to the SEC. Those schools left behind would need to try to add some schools in an attempt to resurrect a new ACC, or dissolve (implode) the conference due to the ACC teams that left to join other leagues. ESPN is the biggest player in realignment and I am curious what ESPN has to say in this renegotiations.
If you're going to continue to copy/spam the same comment, can you please make it more concise and format for ease of reading?
@@tarheel7406. No. I forgot it is necessary to dumb down subjects for you. Freedom of speech is a right under our Constitution. If you come across something you’ve read before skip the comment. Surely you have the ability to go on to the next comment?
Maybe FSU will end up in the B1G then.
@@roris5882, perhaps. But, traveling to the Midwest and to California (LA) for volleyball, sand volleyball, soccer, baseball, swimming, etc… Would send traveling would go sky high! Florida State sports are currently property of ESPN. I don’t see them handing over one of their hot commodities to B1G & FOX. It’s likely they would move FSU to the SEC; however, it is nice to have options and I don’t anticipate any other marquee programs moving before 2025. Both ESPN & FOX are the drivers in this new era of college athletics. I pray they don’t destroy college football in the process. ✌🏼
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"But, traveling to the Midwest and to California (LA) for volleyball, sand volleyball, soccer, baseball, swimming, etc… Would send traveling would go sky high!"
Really? If FSU went to the B1G it would be due to being in a package with UVA through GATECH, ending up in a regional sub-division.
"I don’t see them handing over one of their hot commodities to B1G & FOX."
That's why it's called a "poach" rather than a "trade" in a lot of cases.
where is Florida University?????
It’s what ESPN wants, no fans and no stadium. If ACC collapse it will be interesting
The only times the Orange Bowl was sold out for a Miami game was when they played Florida State. Florida has been ducking Miami for yrs & I really think they're scared to play them for some reason.
they just beat Miami 2 years ago sir
@@michaeldixon4505 How many times have they played Miami since 1980?
@@TheMidniteSon who cares you need UF more than UF needs U. They just beat the canes 2 years ago.
@@donpavia746 First off the point of my comment was they don't play that often {only 7 times since 1987} secondly i'm a Noles fan not a Hurricanes fan so mind your business!
@@TheMidniteSon mind your business why you even commenting. I only watch FSU when they play UM to see if the place can implode!
Don't want Miami in SEC. They have a bad reputation from earlier seasons(back in the 80s?) when they were known as Thug U and it was well deserved. They bring nothing the SEC doesn't already have. It would just empower Miami as a SEC member at the expense of Fla.
Miami could go independent and be a national power. Conference means nothing, win at Miami and you’re in the conversation.
the marlins signed a very long lease (I'm talking decades on decades long) for having the stadium built.not gonna happen..this ain't it
Miami has 5 national championships. 83, 87, 89, 91, 01. That’s why UF is jealous
If you don't have a decent stadium take a hike. The SEC is all about big historical stadiums. I know there is Vandy, but they should have been kicked out years ago
Florida has UCF FSU and Miami all scheduled in 2024 and 2025. Florida not dodging scheduling anybody lmao
One other thing... .it's not Florida University. It's University of Florida. There is a difference...otherwise it would be FU
Miami has 5 national championships
Yeah I looked at the wrong page
Miami has 5 National Championships dude
My Sources told me that Miami has 5 National Championships.
30-40 years ago yes.
The big 12 needs Miami
Marlins aren't leaving Miami they have a lease until 2047
Just for the record we have 5 national championships 1983 1987 1989 1991 2001
I do want Florida st and Miami in the SEC. Go Gators
Miami isn't getting in for the same reason Oregon and Washington will probably not get in the B1G anytime in the near future. They don't add enough value to the conference to justify bringing them in.
What value dose FSU Bring over Miami? Or Virginia or Clemson yea they winning now but what happens when they not winning anymore
@@adrianflemming1898 FSU probably doesn't bring any value, but it brings more than Miami. It's got a lot bigger fan base, and although they've been awful lately, apparently they get good TV numbers. As for Virginia and NC, in case you haven't noticed, the SEC is looking at grabbing flagship programs. If SEC expands again, I doubt they'll go past 18 in Clemson and NC.
5, Miami has 5 national championships
Miami could join the Big 12
FSU & UF need Dade and Broward County recruits, if Miami is in SEC the recruits stay home..
Miami, UNC, and UVA look like B1G material to me because the snooty elites that run those schools value academics and they value the $Billions made from B1G AAU certifications and research grants.
@ Gold and Blue Dude - Miami and Florida State BOTH turned down invites to join the S.E.C. in the year 1990. It is a FACT that you can easily look up for yourself. Florida does not want to play Miami every year because of their S.E.C. schedule. It makes zero sense to add Miami to an already difficult schedule. Saying that Florida is the reason that Miami will or will not get in is just ignorant and pure speculation. Stop bashing Florida without having Facts to back up what you are claiming.
So Florida is afraid to play good,teams?
Thought the SEC was all about being the best playing the best? Now Florida is scared?
Bro Miami has 5 championships not 4
Florida doesn't have that much power the whole sec doesn't want Miami because it would hurt them in recruiting south Florida because they always tell the kids don't you want to play in the SEC but if Miami is in the SEC that goes away
Not in my backyard