A few things here: 1. The XFL merged with the USFL at the beginning of the year to form the UFL. Still, the BattleHawks are dominating attendance in the league. 2. If the NFL were to return to St. Louis, it CANNOT be another relocated team. It's expansion or bust.
In principle, I agree with you, but the NFL ain't trying to expand anytime soon. Eventually when they do in 12-15 years, St. Louis and San Antonio have to be the Top 2.
@@firebird200I would disagree that everyone here wants a third NFL team. Most of my family, lots of my friends and me absolutely don’t want those greedy bastards back. And while the Dome isn’t in the top half of the league of football stadiums, it’s not a dump. That was just an excuse for Stan to leave. He could have easily built another stadium and if you forgot, the City offered to put $500m of taxpayer dollars for a new stadium! So no it wasn’t because of a stadium why he left. It was because he wanted to enjoy his team in nice weather and inflate his worth moving the team back to the second largest market in the US. AKA Greed!
@@blazingbattlehawk9626 Not necessarily, you do realize about half the teams in the UFL are located in markets that have NFL teams right? The UFL is also considered minor league, which is justifiable considering attendance numbers especially outside of St. Louis and player quality. A more proper comparison would like when the NHL Jets(formerly Atlanta Thrashers) moved to Winnipeg despite them having an AHL team(Manitoba Moose) or MLS giving out numerous expansion franchises to cities that already had USL teams(like St. Louis for example). Plus, playing devils advocate, the UFL has no guarantee of staying around considering the fact that two previous versions of the XFL have folded, plus the merger they had to do with the USFL because of financial reasons. I do agree with your sentiment of having the Battlehawks here over the NFL but your argument isn’t that strong in my opinion. TLDR: Comparing apples to oranges, NFL is major league(top flight) while UFL is minor league
Bill Bidwell moved the Cardinals because he thought Busch Stadium was too small (51,000). He need not have worried, because he never tried to build a competitive team anyway.
The place was half-empty and full of visiting fans both for the Rams and Cardinals when they weren’t winning 10+ games. People here don’t give a shit, it’s a baseball town
Don’t blame the fans. Don’t blame the city. The dome was the toughest place to play in the league when the team was good. Deafening crowd noise. During the last several years after the team had one mission and that was to get to LA as fast as possible and the NFL let it happen. Too bad the St. Louis lawyers settled for $800 million when it was a Billion dollar deal. This case should have played out and it would have been fantastic watching the owner lying under oath. This was a scam from the time he took majority ownership. I won’t say his name but he’s a weasel and he knows it. NFL belongs in St. Louis.
Been an NFL fan for over 40 years and iv never heard anyone refer to the STL dome as one of the toughest places to play. No one. And I live in Missouri!
I watched their game this passed weekend and was amazed at the crowd. It puts the other UFL franchises to shame. St. Louis is hungry for football. They deserve an NFL franchise and a new stadium.
@@mikek784 Exactly. It doesn't matter where they start or move to. I feel like the Raiders will always be more of an LA team than the Rams or Chargers anyway.
Living in Carbondale, IL, I would be very happy if the NFL came back to St. Louis. But it should be an expansion team as others have said. They could build a nice, functional outdoor-style stadium as shown in the renderings, and they could STILL use Edward Jones for a practice facility and/or if there's weather like they had for the Chiefs/Dolphins playoff game in KC earlier this year. As you said, though, this might not happen until the 2030s.
STL deserves an NFL team. Mainly due to their market size But STL needs to stop trying to lure in other teams and needs a team birthed in the city and tied to its identity. The rams shouldn’t have left STL bc it never should’ve left La to begin with
Honestly the best bet for that is the Battlehawks. The UFL is moving to sell the teams to owners. If the battlehawks get a good owner they could probably merge into the NFL if the UFL fails in a few years.
You wrote, "stop stealing teams from other cities," but what if other cities that don't have teams are growing at faster rates and exceed the population of some cities with teams? For example, the Phoenix metropolitan area is now one of the top 10 or 15 metropolitan areas by population in the USA. However, it was not always a big urban area. How could the Phoenix area gain its major teams, other than by expansion, if some other teams did not relocate?
St Louis politicians and other Powers That Be after Rams relocated, stated they are done pursuing the NFL in their market. That means, just like what happened in 1987 and 2015, St. Louis City & County and even Metro East are unwilling to spend over 2 billion to build new stadium and entertainment district. I agree with them.
Yeah it blows my mind that these cities still want to play ball with these leagues that will ditch them the first chance they get. St. Louis has a historic baseball team that isn’t going anywhere, if I was on the city council I’d say that’s good enough for a pro attraction. If they need football they can root for Mizzou
@@adanalyst6925 I agree. Ive been to Cardinals baseball game, and was blown away by the amount of people on a weekday night, Wednesday, attending or just hanging around the stadium. BTW, Im from Miami (Marlins 😒😒).
Exactly....the NFL has already turned the St. Louis metro region into a Chiefs fan base now, and the people fell for it. And they did it without the squabble over the construction of a new stadium, lol
The problem is St. Louis has a stagnant population and declining corporate support. Every day that the market doesn't get an NFL or NBA or whatever team makes it more unlikely they ever get one. If the NFL expanded today, then yeah STL would probably be at the top of their list for the USA. But they won't expand today, tomorrow, or probably not for the next decade. By that point, places like Portland Oregon or Salt Lake City might be more attractive. Or San Antonio/Austin have grown so much that even the Cowboys can't prevent the league from placing a team there (notice how Jerruh didn't stop the Texans from going to Houston).
St. Louis city which is 10% of the metro are has declining pop by 2%, but big deal. There is still 3 mil people in the metro. But, we have better things to spend 4 billion dollars on so we dont need the NFL. We have MLB, NHL, and MLS and can just root for Chiefs....
Jerry jones will never allow another team in Texas so enough with that idea. He would go so far as to sue the league to prevent it. He also has at least a dozen owners that will vote any way he asks. So no they are not putting another team in Texas.
@@jeffwebb2966 I live in St. Louis, you don't need to tell me the stats. No city needs the NFL or any sports league, but those 3 leagues are kinda irrelevant nationally.
@@jeffwebb2966i keep seeing STL folks looping in places like Wentzville into their metro population. That’s a cool 45 min drive to STL. That’s like KC including Lawrence in its metro. It’s not part of it
For the football St. Louis Cardinals the city leaders were bad and didn’t do what they should have done, and on top of that the owner was pretty horrible too. And for the St. Louis Rams, Stan Kroenke was just all around a bad owner that didn’t care about the market, or fans and team. And just wanted the team to move to LA so he could have all the bucks. The league wanted a team there too super bad so they let it happen, cause it was easy. A owner that is building his own stadium and paying for all the other expenses, the league said hell yeah! But the league actually wanted a team in St. Louis too, they tried to get the Raiders owner to move there, but he said he wanted the better market in Las Vegas. So I think St. Louis has had a lot of bad luck, and the NFL could return one day. But the lawsuit And legal matters hurt that possibility. But I do feel the NFL views St. Louis as a market where they can make money, and that reason could be the reason they return back if that day ever returns.
The window for St. Louis to get an expansion team ended when they settled out of court. They should’ve negotiated in mediation that they would get an expansion team but instead the city of St. Louis government officials decided that they wanted more money than actually wanting an expansion team like the actual people of St. Louis wanted. Politics didn’t have the city of St. Louis’s best interest as the majority of the citizens wanted an expansion team not more money that they’re never going to see.
Adding one team for expansion with the NFL with 32 teams would not make sense. For scheduling, expansion needs to be at least two team, and arguably four which probably would be too many for people.
The St Louis Battlehawks remind me of the Baltimore Stallions in the CFL in 94-95. The Stallions were drawing near 40,000 in old Memorial Stadium feeding off the hate of the NFL in Baltimore over the Colts move. Right after the Stallions won the Grey Cup the Browns announced their move to Baltimore. This could wind up being a similar situation.
Where is the new stadium? NFL is not even going to consider St. Louis until the City/State builds them a $1 Billion new Stadium. Also, $4 Billion for expansion fee. NFL is capped in the USA for new markets. The harsh reality is they do not have much room to grow franchise wise which is why the NFL owners float with stupid ideas like London and Germany for new teams.
I can think of 790 million reasons why the NFL will never come back to St. Louis. Unfortunately the local powers that be burned that bridge with the NFL.
The NFL illegally screwed over a city and got called on it. STL always supported the Rams but kronke major leagued the city to tank the team to move them.
The NFL didn't "do anything illegal". What "law" did they break? And St. Louis got exactly what they had coming to them. St. Louis stole the Rams from LA. I didn't hear you crying about it then! Now that wrong has been made right. Face it, if St. Louis was a good enough city for an NFL team, you wouldn't have had 2 NFL teams skip town!
Actually fraud is a crime. The NFL didn't give that much money away because it was the nice thing to do. 3 NFL owners were going to jail in a week for contempt of court. I get why you don't know the facts, the NFL threatened ESPN and other media partners to not cover the story. I'm not trying to shame you for your ignorance, just be better next time. Or better yet, your mouth shut it.
If St. Louis gets an NFL team again (and they deserve one), it should be contingent on one thing. Some kind of document MUST be signed that essentially says the team CANNOT move for at least 50 years.
@@mattstaebel3543 Really don't think us humanoids will be that big a population at that point. Your population decline agenda has unforeseen consequences.
@@BoldcastifyPrime, right. Yet that’s kind of a key point. The NFL wants an empty market to hang over the heads of cities with old stadiums. No long lease, no STL to threaten other cities with.
@@mikek784 St.Louis is not LA or Vegas where you could do that. No one is relocating to St. Louis from another city. It is a fairly small market. It is an empty threat.
St.Louis absolutely WILL NOT accept another relocated team. That's all the NFL has EVER given them. The Battlehawks are their only virgin football team, and they're loved like one.
It would be wild if they got a expansion. I expect the UFL to gain a lot in popularity over 5 years. The teams need franchise owners to really market them. The dome just needs a solid renovation. Nothing crazy
@@Mistertwist. Not always. Plenty of smaller leagues are doing just fine. The issue with UFL is a lot of them are trying to play out of huge expensive football stadiums instead of growing into them
@@MilesTailsProwe I just meant if you want to compete with the NFL, you have to do what the original USFL did. Big money. Big players. They were very close to succeeding.
I was at the UFL Championship last week, might have been 7000 fans there and my ticket was $4. It was an embarrassment and the product sucks. It’s finished
IMO the league will never expand past 32 teams. They don’t need to. Expansion typically happens when the league needs a cash infusion or wants to increase TV revenue. Teams are making more money than ever and we all watch the NFL no matter where in the country. The only way they get a team is relocation. Possibly a smaller market whose lease expires and a new stadium doesn’t get a publicly funded replacement
This video is a little all over the place. Of course St. Louis wouldn't get the Rams name back. The Rams have played 57 seasons in Los Angeles against 20 in St. Louis. The current Rams' uniform is an updated version of the style of uniform they wore in the 90s. It's not a rebrand, just a return to the style the team had for 60+ years.
Why does nobody talk about absorption or merger. A big portion of the NFL was brought in this way. The teams also usually have a better time in there early years in the league. The UFL wants to sell the teams to local owners, a good St. Louis/MO owner being absorbed into the NFL would be much better then one of goodells buddies or random team moving there
Hot take: Move the Chargers to St. Louis. Most everyone in Los Angeles likes the Rams as their favorite team anyway, and the Chargers will have a larger following in St. Louis. Not only that, but moving them to St. Louis will also create a Missouri rivalry with the Kansas City Chiefs since they're both in the AFC West.
@1999bill1999 West coast TV schedule. I think that is what the other poster was referring to when the NFL wants an AFC team in LA. It's all about the TV schedules.
I get it as a St. Louisan, we don't have quite the civic pride as other Metros. But population-wise we're larger than like a third of NFL franchises and in the Greatest Show on Turf days the dome was deafening.
My stadium is louder than your, nana-nana-boo-boo, lol The Hunts helped Kroenke move and if they move to Kansas they really screwed the Missouri in the end
Who would want to go through this stuff again? We haven’t even figured out what to do with the money from the settlement from the last football team’s fiasco.
They should just go ahead and build this stadium just cause. The location of the venue looks great when it comes to the many events they hold in St. Louis. If the XFL generating enough revenue to make this much of an impact then they should proceed. "If you build it they will come."
I don't think the Rams will relocate back to St. Louis. I also don't think the Chargers will go there. If any existing NFL team does go there, my guess is that it would be the Commanders. Just a hunch. If the NFL were to expand again, Montreal, Toronto, and San Diego may be good choices.
Rams are never moving out of LA again and giving up that market. Things have changed too much with TV and advertising. Chargers could move but I would guess it would be back to San Diego before any place other than that.
More people are watching the UFL than you would think I watched more this year but the talent isn't as thin which has made for better football but the Battlehawks has leaped frog everyone else but I think attendance is up and tv viewership in the UFL
I haven't watched much of the UFL this season because they removed the things I found interesting one of which was the XFL style kickoff and Daryl Johnson changed it to a modified version of the NFL kickoff because in his opinion the NFL didn't really like the XFL style kickoff but it turns out that the NFL owners have decided to use a version of the XFL kickoff for the upcoming season of the NFL
As a former Rams season ticket holder, from the first games at Busch Stadium, the NFL can go fuck themselves. I have not watch an NFL game since the Rams left for LA.
One thing you can bet is if anyone ever brings an NFL team to St. Louis they are on their own for funding a facility. It will be a cold day in Hell before voters and leaders agree to fund a new stadium.
St. Louis should have already been awarded with an expansion team by the NFL as a better way of resolving the Rams situation for all parties. St. Louis unlike Oakland and San Diego was prepared to build yet again once threatened by Kroenke, but he had already bought the land for SOFI years prior. A local judge made it possible so to build quickly when it was ruled the hotel and entertainment tax did not affect all residents directly therefore a public funding vote was not needed. If only other matters in St. Louis were given the same urgency. St. Louis was excited seeing the new stadium plans already to begin bulding along the riverfront but did need the typical owner contrbution. Remember the NFL Relocstion committee recommended the Rams remain in St. Louis. An inital vote by owners was in favor of St. Louis. Only when Stan Kroenke came out with his indemnification agreement to compensate NFL owners in the event of any St. Louis lawsuits did enough of their relocation votes swing in favor of Kroenke. Kroenke did however need to leave since he would have been bad for St. Louis seen by his private building of a Taj Mahal stadium in the large TV market of L.A. he wanted as well as the league. Only a special owner like the owner group that privately funded the new soccer stadium and team in St. Louis would work in STL for an NFL expansion team. The Big Red left in 1988 when STL city and county could not agree on location of a new football stadium location. Attendance was not the issue. The UFL is a perfect fit for St. Louis.
I’m from St. Louis. It’s a sticky situation here. We love football!, we want football, but we have gotten in bed with the NFL several times and they have have hurt us every time. I don’t see a team moving here to be enough this time. I think it has to be an expansion team that’s our own.
Old fart here..all ya gotta do is go back to the Super Seventies and the incredible popularity of the Jim Hart led St. Louis Cardinals to understand how valuable this city can be to the NFL...the city is a SPORTS town..not just a baseball town...
That stadium is a shit box, we have no ownership prospects, and the general population doesn’t really care if we get a team back or not. Now if the NFL was going to give us a team with no expansion fee, and a 40 year no movement guarantee to make right that screw job they pulled off, perhaps we can talk about it. But as of right now, they can keep their teams.
STL native here, man do I wish we'd get an NFL expansion but is it gonna happen idk I will never say never but I think the most likely way we'd get one is if we have some sort of billionaire that would convince the NFL we need a team they want to be owner. They'd have to pay the nfl millions if not billions for that to happen lmao. NFL has a vendetta against us and now they are punishing former St Louis Rams greats like Torry Holt by keeping him out of the HOF and putting guys like Andre Johnson in instead despite Holt being better and waiting way longer than him
Interesting video DG, but I don't think anyone in St. Louis has any interest in ever hosting an NFL team again. Not after the NFL & Kronke stabbed them right in the back, after years of making promises to them. The damage they did will last at least a generation, if not longer. The Rams didn't do well in St. Louis primarily because Kronke was intentionally tanking the team's worth -- he was always planning to move the team back to LA, as soon as he got control of the team, & make a gazillion dollars, a fact which is beyond dispute with him having done exactly so. But if he had made any kind of effort to invest in the team and/or stadium, the fans would have come right back & rocked the house like they did during the GSOT years. Yes, the Battlehawks proved the NFL & Kronke wrong about St. Louis' ability to support a football team. But that doesn't mean St. Louis would *ever* want them back. ...so, for now: KaKaaawww is the Laww!!
I'm from St. Louis, go to battlehawks games and live across the street from the Dome. I want NFL and so do a lot of other people. Just not the owners so much. Let the city own the team is the dream scenario. Profits to making St. Louis better.
That St Louis Rams logo was only in St Louis. Before they moved to St Louis from LA they had a different Logo and brand and now that they jave moved back to LA they branded back to a different logo. Food for thought when they arrived in St Louis from LA they wore the old LA unis until they rebranded and they also used the St Louis logo for couple yrs in return to LA at coliseum.
I will NEVER support the NFL again. I have, St. Louis, has lost two teams in my life. When the Rams left the NFL pissed all over my city. So the NFL is dead to me. The End.
It's almost like you just think outloud with little to no research. There's way too much mistrust between the city and the NFL and no way will the NFL pony up any $$ to help build them a new stadium. I can't see StL putting the money out there upfront to build a stadium because they got suckered once before and stupidly put that clause in the original lease giving the Rams plenty of outs to leave town. Plus, they sued the league to expose their books which is what the NFL does NOT want in a partner. This isn't a knock on StL fans ... they are some of the best but after getting jilted twice prior, are they all going to be forking over PSL money on top of ticket costs and vote in a tax increase to pay the costs and upkeep on a stadium going forward? And Toronto won't be getting an NFL team as long as there's the CFL up there.
Yea… Kansas City built the Sprint Center in 2009 bc KC was “high on the NHL or NBA list”. And here we are 15 years later with no team and frankly never coming close to getting one
If the NFL ever expands, they won’t get a team if they’re not ready to pay for a new stadium. Alot of teams are in the same position and if the city don’t pay they don’t play. That’s just how it is.
UFL is great but tbh, I liked the idea of spring football being around the 2 hour mark and the 25 second play clock. Weather getting better you're out more, less time to sit inside and watch sports.
I love the Saint Louis Rams. I grew up with them as my teams. When they moved back to Los Angeles in 2016, the Rams became just another team. Like the Rams were dissolved.
Wow I never thought St. Louis would ever have an nfl team again however after watching this idk you’re absolutely right about Toronto & London too a Toronto nfl team would be awesome London does not logistically make sense at all that St. Louis dome is a horrible stadium though they would definitely need to build a new stadium though & there were plans to build one national car rental field
It seems when professional sports teams leave it is because they want a new stadium. STL seems like the best temporary place to go. Fans are always supportive but the city does not want to provide the teams with new accommodations. If STL got on board they would be able to keep their teams. STL absolutely deserves a NFL team.
I personally don't see the NFL coming back to St.Louis....would I like to see them expand back to St.Louis, yeah but I don't care if they do or not....St.Louis has the Battlehawks and The UFL and that's all we need......all the Battlehawks are part of the UFL or United Football League, the XFL and USFL combined
As a lifelong St. Louisan, trust me when I say this that most people here don’t care if the NFL ever comes back here. This is a baseball town through and through and after being dicked twice by the league, there is a lot of bad blood here that won’t go away regardless. Stay away NFL, most people here who were Rams fans just embraced the Chiefs or were fans of other teams already even when the NFL was here
St. Louis was never just a baseball town. Frankly, it’s a lazy take. The Rams only left because Kroenke knew he could make more money in LA. If the NFL is going to use STL to leverage new stadiums in other markets they can go fly a kite. Besides, I’m sure the NFL is still salty about the $800M relocation settlement STL won.
That would be cool! I have heard St. Louis doesn’t want another team but I believe deep down 🤷♂️. I wish they still had the football Cardinals. That’s when I grew up
It's not going to happen, St. Louis is a baseball, hockey city. St. Louis all they had was existing NFL teams The Cardinals 1960-1987. The Rams 1995-2015.
Hate to break it to you. The NFL is never returning to STL. If NFL didn't care about them averaging 50K when they were losing why would they care about 30K fans in a spring football league. And STL also blew it when they took 790M settlement from NFL instead of going to trial. The Rams were moving back to LA whether people liked it or not
AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL THE LA FANS AND NFL ‘INSIDERS’ “[The] LA Rams didn't win a Super Bowl or make it to one [1983 to 1989], but they did play in two NFC Championship games. They just had the misfortune of having to go against that 49ers dynasty, and also the '85 Bears who may have had the best defense in NFL history for a single season. But during that time of franchise history, the [Los Angeles] Rams gave their SoCal fans six playoff teams in seven years, a .604 winning percentage, one of the greatest-ever running backs, and excellence on both sides of the ball. And between 2007 and 2011, the Rams gave St. Louis fans 65 losses in 80 games. A team that was outscored by 922 points in those 80 contests. OK, so let's close this out: Over seven seasons those terrific LA Rams averaged 56,012 per game at home. And the St. Louis Rams, who were the worst team in NFL history over five seasons? Well, they averaged 57,765 per home game. That's right. The team with the poorest five-season stretch in NFL history that plays in a mid-sized market drew more fans at home than the nation's No. 2 market at a time when the LA Rams were winning 60.4 percent of their games and going to the NFL playoffs six times in seven seasons. This is true. But just remember the lazy national-media narrative, and repeat it many times. And you too can get paid to be an NFL pundit: St. Louis is a baseball town. St. Louis doesn't support the Rams. There you go. Keep practicing that. You'll be on TV as an "insider" in no time. Thanks for reading ...” - Bernie Miklasz Full Article found here: www.seahawks.net/threads/history-shows-st-louis-supports-the-rams-more-than-la.111475/
Keep in mind the league only took the rams away from St. Louis, because they were the first team to kneel in protest. The NFL loves to act like it's a place that welcomes all, and is an equal opportunity for all. The good old boys at the top have shown us time and time again that is far from the truth
St. Louis needs to be talking to the CFL. That's a vastly more stable league than the UFL, with crowds more in line with what the Battlehawks are pulling. Everyone else in the UFL is doing terribly, and that league can't be trusted to stick around. There's obviously the whole not-being-Canadian issue, but the CFL has had an odd number problem for a long time now. St. Louis has proven fan support, and it'd give the CFL a toehold in the US if another great expansion opportunity ever emerges. The problem with the previous American expansion attempt was they did too much at once with untested locations. They needed to let it happen more slowly and organically. Just having one solid American team will start getting the gears turning elsewhere.
They're talking in KC about the possibility of them moving into Kansas. And St. Louis has already been turned into an expanded Chiefs fan base. Trust me, that team will never relocate here.
I do think the NFL will expand and have more teams, but it probably won’t be until maybe 10+ years if I had to guess. Roger Goodell didn’t rule it out during the draft. If the NFL does expand, St. Louis definitely deserves a team and I think Toronto, Canada could be a good option for an expansion team. I think Mexico City might get a team. I think Hawaii should be considered as another option and maybe add Salt Lake City. Right now, that’s 5 areas I listed that I think could get expansion teams. I think if the NFL does expand, they need add 8 new expansion teams so each division has 5 teams and 8 division rivalry games and probably expand to maybe 18 or 19 games and give all teams 2 bye weeks.
Happy for STL football fans. I would be devastated if my local NFL team left. Nice to see they are still going to games even if it's UFL. I hope they get an NFL team someday. Toronto doesnt need it- they have the Bills.
Cardinal Football.. 40 years of suck, and they pretty much suck in Arizona since they got there. Rams only had winning seasons from 99-03 (02 I believe they were under 500) before and after that we lost almost every game till they left in 16, but the fans still filled 70% of the stadium. St Louis deserves a team, but finding one without expansion will be tough, and I would hate to see another city lose their team to come here.
Well the NFL has the St. Louis fan base right where they want them. They turned the metro region into an expanded Chiefs fan base now, and the people fell for it. And they did without the hassle of trying to construct a new stadium, lol.
Well does anybody realize that the NFL has turned St. Louis into a Chiefs fan base now ? All the local department stores and sports shops are flooded with Chiefs apparel and memorabilia. And the local media televises all the Chiefs games and covers them on every sports news segment. The NFL got exactly what they wanted and the St. Louis city and fan base fell for it. And they did it without the construction of another stadium. Go Battlehawks and the hell with the NFL
Never going to happen. We lost two teams, city doesn’t want to pay for a stadium, and we are losing citizens. Not happening. Next team will probably be in Europe anyways.
This will sound crazy. Do you think the Bears would consider moving to St Louis or use it as leverage if they cannot get state funding From Illinois for a stadium in either Chicago or Arlington Heights? The Cardinals ditched Chicago for St. Louis in the early sixties.
As someone from St. Louis, I'm all for the thought of another NFL team IF they make a deal a deal to not even THINK about relocation. Also I'm concerned what expansion would do playoffs wise. 32 teams seems right. 2 conferences 4 divisions per conference 4 teams per division. It all works out.
The Battlehawks attendance has shown STL deserves an NFL team
UFL is a different ballgame from the NFL
@@michaelleroy9281 well no shit
But they have already lost 2 teams? (Cardinals & Rams)
Any new NFL team must sign a contract guaranteeing that they will never leave St. Louis.
@@dariusmcnair601 exactly, after previously losing the Caridinals and Rams I just can't see the NFL giving St. Louis a 3rd bite at the apple.
A few things here:
1. The XFL merged with the USFL at the beginning of the year to form the UFL. Still, the BattleHawks are dominating attendance in the league.
2. If the NFL were to return to St. Louis, it CANNOT be another relocated team. It's expansion or bust.
in the UFL there are two teams carrying the league and that's the Battlehawks and the Defenders
In principle, I agree with you, but the NFL ain't trying to expand anytime soon. Eventually when they do in 12-15 years, St. Louis and San Antonio have to be the Top 2.
The Battlehawks and the Battlehawks playoff games lol
@@LoweDown414 Especially in 12-15 years, you would put a 2nd team in Dallas (AFC) over San Antonio.
@RavenStorm332 defenders fans showed up last year. Not this year
Being screwed by the NFL twice, I'm not sure St. Louis wants an NFL team.
Oh we really want an NFL team, those departures were because of bad stadiums
@@firebird200I would disagree that everyone here wants a third NFL team. Most of my family, lots of my friends and me absolutely don’t want those greedy bastards back. And while the Dome isn’t in the top half of the league of football stadiums, it’s not a dump. That was just an excuse for Stan to leave. He could have easily built another stadium and if you forgot, the City offered to put $500m of taxpayer dollars for a new stadium! So no it wasn’t because of a stadium why he left. It was because he wanted to enjoy his team in nice weather and inflate his worth moving the team back to the second largest market in the US. AKA Greed!
@@firebird200bad owners
@@ToastedRavHawkWe already have the UFL. Saying we should get an NFL team is like saying we should get an American League baseball team
@@blazingbattlehawk9626 Not necessarily, you do realize about half the teams in the UFL are located in markets that have NFL teams right?
The UFL is also considered minor league, which is justifiable considering attendance numbers especially outside of St. Louis and player quality.
A more proper comparison would like when the NHL Jets(formerly Atlanta Thrashers) moved to Winnipeg despite them having an AHL team(Manitoba Moose) or MLS giving out numerous expansion franchises to cities that already had USL teams(like St. Louis for example).
Plus, playing devils advocate, the UFL has no guarantee of staying around considering the fact that two previous versions of the XFL have folded, plus the merger they had to do with the USFL because of financial reasons. I do agree with your sentiment of having the Battlehawks here over the NFL but your argument isn’t that strong in my opinion.
TLDR: Comparing apples to oranges, NFL is major league(top flight) while UFL is minor league
Why would St Louis want another team? The NFL burned them twice.
The NFL burned them, not St. Louis
I’m from St. Louis. We don’t. Keep your No Fun League. We have our team already.
A majority of the people here don’t, it’s just the whiny, vocal minority
Bill Bidwell moved the Cardinals because he thought Busch Stadium was too small (51,000). He need not have worried, because he never tried to build a competitive team anyway.
St Louis has always supported the NFL well. They just got the shaft by the league and some bad owners.
The big 3 big bodied everyone into allowing the move. St. Louis should’ve never lost the rams.
Is that why their stadium was dead whenever the Rams were having a bad year?
The place was half-empty and full of visiting fans both for the Rams and Cardinals when they weren’t winning 10+ games. People here don’t give a shit, it’s a baseball town
Don’t blame the fans.
Don’t blame the city.
The dome was the toughest place to play in the league when the team was good.
Deafening crowd noise.
During the last several years after the team had one mission and that was to get to LA as fast as possible and the NFL let it happen.
Too bad the St. Louis lawyers settled for $800 million when it was a Billion dollar deal. This case should have played out and it would have been fantastic watching the owner lying under oath. This was a scam from the time he took majority ownership. I won’t say his name but he’s a weasel and he knows it.
NFL belongs in St. Louis.
Yeah that was our chance at getting an expansion team and they blew it. Also what happened to the 800 mill? No one knows!!
Been an NFL fan for over 40 years and iv never heard anyone refer to the STL dome as one of the toughest places to play. No one. And I live in Missouri!
@@GoOp790 it was though back in the greatest show on turf days. Many have said that back in 99-01
@@emoo.182 welcome to 2024
@@GoOp790 well you said it was never referred to as one of the toughest places to play in 40 years and it was in 99-01
I watched their game this passed weekend and was amazed at the crowd. It puts the other UFL franchises to shame. St. Louis is hungry for football. They deserve an NFL franchise and a new stadium.
I was pissed for St. Louis when the Rams moved. And it seemed like the Rams won a Super Bowl not too long after they moved to LA
@@therealaustinpowers1967 They’ll always be the St. Louis Rams in my mind. I know they started in LA, but they were in St. Louis for most of my life.
@@91_C4_FL, they actually started in Cleveland, but were in LA or southern California the longest.
I was at that game last weekend too, the crowd was so loud there.
@@mikek784 Exactly. It doesn't matter where they start or move to. I feel like the Raiders will always be more of an LA team than the Rams or Chargers anyway.
Living in Carbondale, IL, I would be very happy if the NFL came back to St. Louis. But it should be an expansion team as others have said. They could build a nice, functional outdoor-style stadium as shown in the renderings, and they could STILL use Edward Jones for a practice facility and/or if there's weather like they had for the Chiefs/Dolphins playoff game in KC earlier this year. As you said, though, this might not happen until the 2030s.
STL deserves an NFL team. Mainly due to their market size
But STL needs to stop trying to lure in other teams and needs a team birthed in the city and tied to its identity. The rams shouldn’t have left STL bc it never should’ve left La to begin with
Agree, stop stealing teams from other cities..dont like it.
Honestly the best bet for that is the Battlehawks. The UFL is moving to sell the teams to owners. If the battlehawks get a good owner they could probably merge into the NFL if the UFL fails in a few years.
Expansion is all people talk about, but many teams were brought in through absorption and usually end up being better competitors in the short term.
St. Louis and the NFL hate each other; this idea will never be considered.
You wrote, "stop stealing teams from other cities," but what if other cities that don't have teams are growing at faster rates and exceed the population of some cities with teams? For example, the Phoenix metropolitan area is now one of the top 10 or 15 metropolitan areas by population in the USA. However, it was not always a big urban area. How could the Phoenix area gain its major teams, other than by expansion, if some other teams did not relocate?
St Louis politicians and other Powers That Be after Rams relocated, stated they are done pursuing the NFL in their market. That means, just like what happened in 1987 and 2015, St. Louis City & County and even Metro East are unwilling to spend over 2 billion to build new stadium and entertainment district. I agree with them.
me, too
Yeah it blows my mind that these cities still want to play ball with these leagues that will ditch them the first chance they get.
St. Louis has a historic baseball team that isn’t going anywhere, if I was on the city council I’d say that’s good enough for a pro attraction. If they need football they can root for Mizzou
@@adanalyst6925 I agree. Ive been to Cardinals baseball game, and was blown away by the amount of people on a weekday night, Wednesday, attending or just hanging around the stadium. BTW, Im from Miami (Marlins 😒😒).
STL would need a new stadium. NFL would not put a team in Canada, CFL would collapse.
The Cardinals left St Louis because of Bidwell arrogance. Rams left St Louis because of L.A. history with the Rams and the money involved.
We’re not talking about baseball
@@GloriaGrotheyou know the Arizona cardinals were once also the St. Louis cardinals?
@@GloriaGrothewe’re talking football. Cardinals left in March 1988 for Arizona thanks to Bill Bidwell.
Right, Kronke, never would of stayed in St. Louis, even if St Louis built that riverfront stadium.
@@GloriaGrothe not the brightest are ya? how would it make sense with baseball when the cards have never left
St Louis should've never settled the NFL case. They should've made a Cleveland Browns type deal contingent on the settlement
STL didn’t have the leverage Cleveland did. Browns just flat left and ignored the relocation policy. When the Rams left they followed the policy.
How is that possible when the LA Rams were in LA for 50 years before moving to STL. It’s they’re name.
@@scotttildThe NFL owners did voted to who move to Los Angeles the Browns just left Ceveland without a vote
@scotttild no, the Rams violated just about every rule in the book when it comes to relocation.
@@gandhi3625 truly delusional. And you ripped off the Rams from So Cal in 1995. Karma is a bitch.
Most of the future this guy talks about never going to happen.
Exactly....the NFL has already turned the St. Louis metro region into a Chiefs fan base now, and the people fell for it. And they did it without the squabble over the construction of a new stadium, lol
The problem is St. Louis has a stagnant population and declining corporate support. Every day that the market doesn't get an NFL or NBA or whatever team makes it more unlikely they ever get one.
If the NFL expanded today, then yeah STL would probably be at the top of their list for the USA. But they won't expand today, tomorrow, or probably not for the next decade. By that point, places like Portland Oregon or Salt Lake City might be more attractive. Or San Antonio/Austin have grown so much that even the Cowboys can't prevent the league from placing a team there (notice how Jerruh didn't stop the Texans from going to Houston).
St. Louis city which is 10% of the metro are has declining pop by 2%, but big deal. There is still 3 mil people in the metro. But, we have better things to spend 4 billion dollars on so we dont need the NFL. We have MLB, NHL, and MLS and can just root for Chiefs....
Jerry jones will never allow another team in Texas so enough with that idea. He would go so far as to sue the league to prevent it. He also has at least a dozen owners that will vote any way he asks. So no they are not putting another team in Texas.
@@jeffwebb2966 I live in St. Louis, you don't need to tell me the stats. No city needs the NFL or any sports league, but those 3 leagues are kinda irrelevant nationally.
If the NFL expands, they’ll look at Toronto, Mexico City or London.
@@jeffwebb2966i keep seeing STL folks looping in places like Wentzville into their metro population. That’s a cool 45 min drive to STL. That’s like KC including Lawrence in its metro. It’s not part of it
For the football St. Louis Cardinals the city leaders were bad and didn’t do what they should have done, and on top of that the owner was pretty horrible too. And for the St. Louis Rams, Stan Kroenke was just all around a bad owner that didn’t care about the market, or fans and team. And just wanted the team to move to LA so he could have all the bucks. The league wanted a team there too super bad so they let it happen, cause it was easy. A owner that is building his own stadium and paying for all the other expenses, the league said hell yeah! But the league actually wanted a team in St. Louis too, they tried to get the Raiders owner to move there, but he said he wanted the better market in Las Vegas. So I think St. Louis has had a lot of bad luck, and the NFL could return one day. But the lawsuit And legal matters hurt that possibility. But I do feel the NFL views St. Louis as a market where they can make money, and that reason could be the reason they return back if that day ever returns.
The window for St. Louis to get an expansion team ended when they settled out of court. They should’ve negotiated in mediation that they would get an expansion team but instead the city of St. Louis government officials decided that they wanted more money than actually wanting an expansion team like the actual people of St. Louis wanted. Politics didn’t have the city of St. Louis’s best interest as the majority of the citizens wanted an expansion team not more money that they’re never going to see.
Yea that was our chance 😢and where did that money go? no one knows..
I’m a big fan of Phoenix and STL sports. I would love to see the city get a Football team back.
The NFL is not going to give St. Louis a 3rd crack at a team.
The city of St. Louis sued Kroenke and the NFL, justifiably, for $750 million. The STL will not be getting an NFL team in our lifetime.
Adding one team for expansion with the NFL with 32 teams would not make sense. For scheduling, expansion needs to be at least two team, and arguably four which probably would be too many for people.
The St Louis Battlehawks remind me of the Baltimore Stallions in the CFL in 94-95. The Stallions were drawing near 40,000 in old Memorial Stadium feeding off the hate of the NFL in Baltimore over the Colts move. Right after the Stallions won the Grey Cup the Browns announced their move to Baltimore. This could wind up being a similar situation.
The only American team to win a Grey Cup.
Old Baltimore Memorial Stadium in charm city is replaced by M&T BANK Stadium next door to Oriole Park at Camden Yards
Bham has never had strong population or disposable income ...
Where is the new stadium? NFL is not even going to consider St. Louis until the City/State builds them a $1 Billion new Stadium. Also, $4 Billion for expansion fee. NFL is capped in the USA for new markets. The harsh reality is they do not have much room to grow franchise wise which is why the NFL owners float with stupid ideas like London and Germany for new teams.
@@GloriaGrothe That's correct, The Ravens played their first 2 seasons at Memorial Stadium while M&T Bank Stadium was being built,
The BattleHawks play in the UFL, not the XFL. The two spring leagues (USFL & XFL) merged last year and is now the UFL.
Yeah your point is right. but Battlehawks play in the Xfl division of the UFL
I can think of 790 million reasons why the NFL will never come back to St. Louis. Unfortunately the local powers that be burned that bridge with the NFL.
The NFL illegally screwed over a city and got called on it. STL always supported the Rams but kronke major leagued the city to tank the team to move them.
The NFL didn't "do anything illegal". What "law" did they break? And St. Louis got exactly what they had coming to them. St. Louis stole the Rams from LA. I didn't hear you crying about it then! Now that wrong has been made right. Face it, if St. Louis was a good enough city for an NFL team, you wouldn't have had 2 NFL teams skip town!
@@trvaron Too be fair Georgia Frontiere and Carroll Rosebloom stole the Rams from Los Angeles and Al Davis help them by moving the Raiders there
Actually fraud is a crime. The NFL didn't give that much money away because it was the nice thing to do. 3 NFL owners were going to jail in a week for contempt of court. I get why you don't know the facts, the NFL threatened ESPN and other media partners to not cover the story. I'm not trying to shame you for your ignorance, just be better next time. Or better yet, your mouth shut it.
@@trvaron and LA "stole" thr Rams from Cleveland. What a silly point to make
If St. Louis gets an NFL team again (and they deserve one), it should be contingent on one thing. Some kind of document MUST be signed that essentially says the team CANNOT move for at least 50 years.
100 years
@@mattstaebel3543 Really don't think us humanoids will be that big a population at that point. Your population decline agenda has unforeseen consequences.
Yeah, not getting a lease that long.
@@BoldcastifyPrime, right. Yet that’s kind of a key point. The NFL wants an empty market to hang over the heads of cities with old stadiums. No long lease, no STL to threaten other cities with.
@@mikek784 St.Louis is not LA or Vegas where you could do that. No one is relocating to St. Louis from another city. It is a fairly small market. It is an empty threat.
St.Louis absolutely WILL NOT accept another relocated team. That's all the NFL has EVER given them. The Battlehawks are their only virgin football team, and they're loved like one.
It would be wild if they got a expansion. I expect the UFL to gain a lot in popularity over 5 years. The teams need franchise owners to really market them.
The dome just needs a solid renovation. Nothing crazy
UFL folds after next season. You need big name stars for a league to succeed.
I'm not sure if the UFL will be around for long. However a good owner for the battlehawks could get them absorbed into the NFL if they don't.
@@Mistertwist. Not always. Plenty of smaller leagues are doing just fine. The issue with UFL is a lot of them are trying to play out of huge expensive football stadiums instead of growing into them
@@MilesTailsProwe I just meant if you want to compete with the NFL, you have to do what the original USFL did. Big money. Big players. They were very close to succeeding.
I was at the UFL Championship last week, might have been 7000 fans there and my ticket was $4. It was an embarrassment and the product sucks. It’s finished
IMO the league will never expand past 32 teams. They don’t need to. Expansion typically happens when the league needs a cash infusion or wants to increase TV revenue. Teams are making more money than ever and we all watch the NFL no matter where in the country.
The only way they get a team is relocation. Possibly a smaller market whose lease expires and a new stadium doesn’t get a publicly funded replacement
The NFL needs to completely pay for the new venue and the taxpayers should be exempt from paying any costs associated with development.
This video is a little all over the place. Of course St. Louis wouldn't get the Rams name back. The Rams have played 57 seasons in Los Angeles against 20 in St. Louis. The current Rams' uniform is an updated version of the style of uniform they wore in the 90s. It's not a rebrand, just a return to the style the team had for 60+ years.
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(Also, their current uniform is an updated version of their 1973 uniform)
I don’t see the NFL expanding anytime soon, but it would be a good option
Why does nobody talk about absorption or merger. A big portion of the NFL was brought in this way.
The teams also usually have a better time in there early years in the league.
The UFL wants to sell the teams to local owners, a good St. Louis/MO owner being absorbed into the NFL would be much better then one of goodells buddies or random team moving there
Hot take: Move the Chargers to St. Louis. Most everyone in Los Angeles likes the Rams as their favorite team anyway, and the Chargers will have a larger following in St. Louis. Not only that, but moving them to St. Louis will also create a Missouri rivalry with the Kansas City Chiefs since they're both in the AFC West.
Yup, sell the Chargers to the city of St. Louis. Love it, but hate the owners. They don't care about the fans.
NFL would never approve that. NFL wants an AFC team in LA
@1999bill1999
St. Louis can play their games at 3pm and when they want to expand have an AFC team in LA. They have the Raiders in Las Vegas
@@ikehammett5160 Raiders are in Vegas. Not LA
@1999bill1999
West coast TV schedule. I think that is what the other poster was referring to when the NFL wants an AFC team in LA. It's all about the TV schedules.
If there a Expansion team🎉 in St. Louis they need a new team not some other city team if it happens
I get it as a St. Louisan, we don't have quite the civic pride as other Metros. But population-wise we're larger than like a third of NFL franchises and in the Greatest Show on Turf days the dome was deafening.
Any dome with 70,000 fans is deafening. Arrowhead is an outdoor stadium designed in the 1960’s and it’s still louder than
@@GoOp790 Arrowhead Stadium was built in 1972.
@@billsherwin1705 and construction broke ground in 1968. It was designed in the 60’s, which is exactly what I said
My stadium is louder than your, nana-nana-boo-boo, lol The Hunts helped Kroenke move and if they move to Kansas they really screwed the Missouri in the end
@@ericg3543 very true
Who would want to go through this stuff again? We haven’t even figured out what to do with the money from the settlement from the last football team’s fiasco.
They should just go ahead and build this stadium just cause. The location of the venue looks great when it comes to the many events they hold in St. Louis. If the XFL generating enough revenue to make this much of an impact then they should proceed. "If you build it they will come."
That’s not how this works
We can host outdoor boat shows then. Awesome.
I don't think the Rams will relocate back to St. Louis. I also don't think the Chargers will go there. If any existing NFL team does go there, my guess is that it would be the Commanders. Just a hunch. If the NFL were to expand again, Montreal, Toronto, and San Diego may be good choices.
Rams are never moving out of LA again and giving up that market. Things have changed too much with TV and advertising. Chargers could move but I would guess it would be back to San Diego before any place other than that.
@@scotttild I don't think the NFL will ever let the Rams move again because of this
@@scotttildyes and the soonest the Chargers can leave is after 20 years. Even then I would say they aren’t going anywhere.
And the NFL will be watching Josh Kroenke and any person who buy the Rams and make sure they never leave
Uhm....the Rams are gone, forever, you can bet on that, lol
St. Louis as an NFL city is sooooo over.
The way you say “Jaguars” is hilarious 1:39
More people are watching the UFL than you would think I watched more this year but the talent isn't as thin which has made for better football but the Battlehawks has leaped frog everyone else but I think attendance is up and tv viewership in the UFL
I haven't watched much of the UFL this season because they removed the things I found interesting one of which was the XFL style kickoff and Daryl Johnson changed it to a modified version of the NFL kickoff because in his opinion the NFL didn't really like the XFL style kickoff but it turns out that the NFL owners have decided to use a version of the XFL kickoff for the upcoming season of the NFL
The rendering gives me Paul Brown stadium vibes
As a former Rams season ticket holder, from the first games at Busch Stadium, the NFL can go fuck themselves. I have not watch an NFL game since the Rams left for LA.
One thing you can bet is if anyone ever brings an NFL team to St. Louis they are on their own for funding a facility. It will be a cold day in Hell before voters and leaders agree to fund a new stadium.
St. Louis should have already been awarded with an expansion team by the NFL as a better way of resolving the Rams situation for all parties. St. Louis unlike Oakland and San Diego was prepared to build yet again once threatened by Kroenke, but he had already bought the land for SOFI years prior. A local judge made it possible so to build quickly when it was ruled the hotel and entertainment tax did not affect all residents directly therefore a public funding vote was not needed. If only other matters in St. Louis were given the same urgency. St. Louis was excited seeing the new stadium plans already to begin bulding along the riverfront but did need the typical owner contrbution. Remember the NFL Relocstion committee recommended the Rams remain in St. Louis. An inital vote by owners was in favor of St. Louis. Only when Stan Kroenke came out with his indemnification agreement to compensate NFL owners in the event of any St. Louis lawsuits did enough of their relocation votes swing in favor of Kroenke. Kroenke did however need to leave since he would have been bad for St. Louis seen by his private building of a Taj Mahal stadium in the large TV market of L.A. he wanted as well as the league. Only a special owner like the owner group that privately funded the new soccer stadium and team in St. Louis would work in STL for an NFL expansion team. The Big Red left in 1988 when STL city and county could not agree on location of a new football stadium location. Attendance was not the issue. The UFL is a perfect fit for St. Louis.
No more teams from other cities. St. Louis gets an expansion team from the NFL or forget it.
Not a chance. After the way the NFL and St. Louis parted ways, there will be a team in Casselton, North Dakota, before there will be one in St. Louis.
If the dome in St Louis was considered outdated in 2015 , why would another NFL team move in there
Who said an NFL team would play at the dome again?
They would probably only play there a few years until a new stadium is built.
The same reason the Rams began playing at Busch Stadium before the dome was completed
@@91_C4_FLwhere would they put a stadium that big? St. Louis city is out of space
@@samgardner4667 Seeing as the land where they wanted to put National Car Rental Field is still undeveloped, I’d start there.
I’m from St. Louis. It’s a sticky situation here. We love football!, we want football, but we have gotten in bed with the NFL several times and they have have hurt us every time. I don’t see a team moving here to be enough this time. I think it has to be an expansion team that’s our own.
Old fart here..all ya gotta do is go back to the Super Seventies and the incredible popularity of the Jim Hart led St. Louis Cardinals to understand how valuable this city can be to the NFL...the city is a SPORTS town..not just a baseball town...
That stadium is a shit box, we have no ownership prospects, and the general population doesn’t really care if we get a team back or not.
Now if the NFL was going to give us a team with no expansion fee, and a 40 year no movement guarantee to make right that screw job they pulled off, perhaps we can talk about it. But as of right now, they can keep their teams.
STL native here, man do I wish we'd get an NFL expansion but is it gonna happen idk I will never say never but I think the most likely way we'd get one is if we have some sort of billionaire that would convince the NFL we need a team they want to be owner. They'd have to pay the nfl millions if not billions for that to happen lmao. NFL has a vendetta against us and now they are punishing former St Louis Rams greats like Torry Holt by keeping him out of the HOF and putting guys like Andre Johnson in instead despite Holt being better and waiting way longer than him
Interesting video DG, but I don't think anyone in St. Louis has any interest in ever hosting an NFL team again. Not after the NFL & Kronke stabbed them right in the back, after years of making promises to them. The damage they did will last at least a generation, if not longer. The Rams didn't do well in St. Louis primarily because Kronke was intentionally tanking the team's worth -- he was always planning to move the team back to LA, as soon as he got control of the team, & make a gazillion dollars, a fact which is beyond dispute with him having done exactly so. But if he had made any kind of effort to invest in the team and/or stadium, the fans would have come right back & rocked the house like they did during the GSOT years. Yes, the Battlehawks proved the NFL & Kronke wrong about St. Louis' ability to support a football team. But that doesn't mean St. Louis would *ever* want them back. ...so, for now: KaKaaawww is the Laww!!
I'm from St. Louis, go to battlehawks games and live across the street from the Dome. I want NFL and so do a lot of other people. Just not the owners so much. Let the city own the team is the dream scenario. Profits to making St. Louis better.
That St Louis Rams logo was only in St Louis. Before they moved to St Louis from LA they had a different Logo and brand and now that they jave moved back to LA they branded back to a different logo. Food for thought when they arrived in St Louis from LA they wore the old LA unis until they rebranded and they also used the St Louis logo for couple yrs in return to LA at coliseum.
I will NEVER support the NFL again. I have, St. Louis, has lost two teams in my life. When the Rams left the NFL pissed all over my city. So the NFL is dead to me. The End.
It's almost like you just think outloud with little to no research. There's way too much mistrust between the city and the NFL and no way will the NFL pony up any $$ to help build them a new stadium. I can't see StL putting the money out there upfront to build a stadium because they got suckered once before and stupidly put that clause in the original lease giving the Rams plenty of outs to leave town. Plus, they sued the league to expose their books which is what the NFL does NOT want in a partner. This isn't a knock on StL fans ... they are some of the best but after getting jilted twice prior, are they all going to be forking over PSL money on top of ticket costs and vote in a tax increase to pay the costs and upkeep on a stadium going forward? And Toronto won't be getting an NFL team as long as there's the CFL up there.
ESPN reported years ago the NFL had or has some kind of deal with St. Louis if a team was to move or expansion team the city is high on that list
Yea… Kansas City built the Sprint Center in 2009 bc KC was “high on the NHL or NBA list”. And here we are 15 years later with no team and frankly never coming close to getting one
Stan drove the rams into the ground, bad coaches bad players, bad stadium. he refuse to pay great players
If the NFL ever expands, they won’t get a team if they’re not ready to pay for a new stadium. Alot of teams are in the same position and if the city don’t pay they don’t play. That’s just how it is.
UFL is great but tbh, I liked the idea of spring football being around the 2 hour mark and the 25 second play clock. Weather getting better you're out more, less time to sit inside and watch sports.
I love the Saint Louis Rams. I grew up with them as my teams.
When they moved back to Los Angeles in 2016, the Rams became just another team. Like the Rams were dissolved.
STL deserves an new NFL team.
Should’ve showed the Gateway Nationals dome pics… badass race!
Wow I never thought St. Louis would ever have an nfl team again however after watching this idk you’re absolutely right about Toronto & London too a Toronto nfl team would be awesome London does not logistically make sense at all that St. Louis dome is a horrible stadium though they would definitely need to build a new stadium though & there were plans to build one national car rental field
It seems when professional sports teams leave it is because they want a new stadium. STL seems like the best temporary place to go. Fans are always supportive but the city does not want to provide the teams with new accommodations. If STL got on board they would be able to keep their teams. STL absolutely deserves a NFL team.
I love that rendering of a new stadium in Saint Louis.
I personally don't see the NFL coming back to St.Louis....would I like to see them expand back to St.Louis, yeah but I don't care if they do or not....St.Louis has the Battlehawks and The UFL and that's all we need......all the Battlehawks are part of the UFL or United Football League, the XFL and USFL combined
As a lifelong St. Louisan, trust me when I say this that most people here don’t care if the NFL ever comes back here. This is a baseball town through and through and after being dicked twice by the league, there is a lot of bad blood here that won’t go away regardless.
Stay away NFL, most people here who were Rams fans just embraced the Chiefs or were fans of other teams already even when the NFL was here
fyi...It's was the Eward Jones Done, not The Edwards Jones Dome.
St. Louis was never just a baseball town. Frankly, it’s a lazy take. The Rams only left because Kroenke knew he could make more money in LA.
If the NFL is going to use STL to leverage new stadiums in other markets they can go fly a kite. Besides, I’m sure the NFL is still salty about the $800M relocation settlement STL won.
We dont need two football teams. Saying we deserve an NFL team is just insulting
Please keep the NFL away. I don't want to have them back.
That would be cool! I have heard St. Louis doesn’t want another team but I believe deep down 🤷♂️. I wish they still had the football Cardinals. That’s when I grew up
It's not going to happen, St. Louis is a baseball, hockey city. St. Louis all they had was existing NFL teams The Cardinals 1960-1987. The Rams 1995-2015.
The attendance at football games say otherwise
Hate to break it to you. The NFL is never returning to STL. If NFL didn't care about them averaging 50K when they were losing why would they care about 30K fans in a spring football league.
And STL also blew it when they took 790M settlement from NFL instead of going to trial. The Rams were moving back to LA whether people liked it or not
AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL THE LA FANS AND NFL ‘INSIDERS’
“[The] LA Rams didn't win a Super Bowl or make it to one [1983 to 1989], but they did play in two NFC Championship games. They just had the misfortune of having to go against that 49ers dynasty, and also the '85 Bears who may have had the best defense in NFL history for a single season.
But during that time of franchise history, the [Los Angeles] Rams gave their SoCal fans six playoff teams in seven years, a .604 winning percentage, one of the greatest-ever running backs, and excellence on both sides of the ball.
And between 2007 and 2011, the Rams gave St. Louis fans 65 losses in 80 games. A team that was outscored by 922 points in those 80 contests.
OK, so let's close this out:
Over seven seasons those terrific LA Rams averaged 56,012 per game at home.
And the St. Louis Rams, who were the worst team in NFL history over five seasons? Well, they averaged 57,765 per home game.
That's right.
The team with the poorest five-season stretch in NFL history that plays in a mid-sized market drew more fans at home than the nation's No. 2 market at a time when the LA Rams were winning 60.4 percent of their games and going to the NFL playoffs six times in seven seasons.
This is true.
But just remember the lazy national-media narrative, and repeat it many times. And you too can get paid to be an NFL pundit:
St. Louis is a baseball town.
St. Louis doesn't support the Rams.
There you go. Keep practicing that.
You'll be on TV as an "insider" in no time.
Thanks for reading ...”
- Bernie Miklasz
Full Article found here: www.seahawks.net/threads/history-shows-st-louis-supports-the-rams-more-than-la.111475/
This is like Seattle with the Supersonic in the NBA- needs to happen and have priority over other cities.
They have been updated the convention center but they also have a soccer Stadium so if they ever get a team be like the chargers for a couple years
Keep in mind the league only took the rams away from St. Louis, because they were the first team to kneel in protest. The NFL loves to act like it's a place that welcomes all, and is an equal opportunity for all. The good old boys at the top have shown us time and time again that is far from the truth
Stop your nonsense. St Louis has 3 million ppl within 25 miles. MLB attendance is only 1% of their area population.
St. Louis needs to be talking to the CFL. That's a vastly more stable league than the UFL, with crowds more in line with what the Battlehawks are pulling. Everyone else in the UFL is doing terribly, and that league can't be trusted to stick around. There's obviously the whole not-being-Canadian issue, but the CFL has had an odd number problem for a long time now. St. Louis has proven fan support, and it'd give the CFL a toehold in the US if another great expansion opportunity ever emerges. The problem with the previous American expansion attempt was they did too much at once with untested locations. They needed to let it happen more slowly and organically. Just having one solid American team will start getting the gears turning elsewhere.
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PUT SOME RESPECT ON THE UFL
Chiefs move to St Louis 😅
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They're talking in KC about the possibility of them moving into Kansas. And St. Louis has already been turned into an expanded Chiefs fan base. Trust me, that team will never relocate here.
I do think the NFL will expand and have more teams, but it probably won’t be until maybe 10+ years if I had to guess. Roger Goodell didn’t rule it out during the draft. If the NFL does expand, St. Louis definitely deserves a team and I think Toronto, Canada could be a good option for an expansion team. I think Mexico City might get a team. I think Hawaii should be considered as another option and maybe add Salt Lake City. Right now, that’s 5 areas I listed that I think could get expansion teams. I think if the NFL does expand, they need add 8 new expansion teams so each division has 5 teams and 8 division rivalry games and probably expand to maybe 18 or 19 games and give all teams 2 bye weeks.
Happy for STL football fans. I would be devastated if my local NFL team left. Nice to see they are still going to games even if it's UFL. I hope they get an NFL team someday. Toronto doesnt need it- they have the Bills.
Toronto has the Argonauts of the CFL, not the Bills. The Bills belong to Buffalo, not Toronto
They’ll never get another team after winning a lawsuit against the nfl.
Cardinal Football.. 40 years of suck, and they pretty much suck in Arizona since they got there. Rams only had winning seasons from 99-03 (02 I believe they were under 500) before and after that we lost almost every game till they left in 16, but the fans still filled 70% of the stadium. St Louis deserves a team, but finding one without expansion will be tough, and I would hate to see another city lose their team to come here.
The NFL doesn't want St Louis!
Well the NFL has the St. Louis fan base right where they want them. They turned the metro region into an expanded Chiefs fan base now, and the people fell for it. And they did without the hassle of trying to construct a new stadium, lol.
It also looks like the NFL wants a new team in Mexico City badly.
Well does anybody realize that the NFL has turned St. Louis into a Chiefs fan base now ? All the local department stores and sports shops are flooded with Chiefs apparel and memorabilia. And the local media televises all the Chiefs games and covers them on every sports news segment. The NFL got exactly what they wanted and the St. Louis city and fan base fell for it. And they did it without the construction of another stadium.
Go Battlehawks and the hell with the NFL
Never going to happen. We lost two teams, city doesn’t want to pay for a stadium, and we are losing citizens. Not happening. Next team will probably be in Europe anyways.
This will sound crazy. Do you think the Bears would consider moving to St Louis or use it as leverage if they cannot get state funding From Illinois for a stadium in either Chicago or Arlington Heights? The Cardinals ditched Chicago for St. Louis in the early sixties.
As someone from St. Louis, I'm all for the thought of another NFL team IF they make a deal a deal to not even THINK about relocation. Also I'm concerned what expansion would do playoffs wise. 32 teams seems right. 2 conferences 4 divisions per conference 4 teams per division. It all works out.
St. Louis and football is like Atlanta and hockey. Been there twice. Didn't work either time. Why would you think it would work this time?
I wish the rams would have stayed and built the new stadium on the river front.
St Louis Get A NFL Expansion The St.Louis Stalions!
Expansion team with a guarantee of never leaving 😋
Saint Louis needs both new NFL, and MLR teams alongside the UFL’s BattleHawks to make National Car Rental Field for their home games
MLR?
@@maya_coqsalonga Major League Rugby
we need NBA. we are the perfect market for NBA
The Family Arena in Saint Louis, Missouri is ideal for the NBA and WNBA teams to showcase their talent.
@@manuelgrothe608 I actually went to a NBA preseason game at the then scott trade center (now enterprise) and it was packed!!!
Should buy or adopt the battlehawks into as the next team and this way it will let the fans keep their team and even upgrade it to get more fans