I had no idea these existed. One might say, with all respect, it's "the Poor Man's Red." Something we've needed for quite some time. And compared to Red, the pricing is fabulous.
Glad you're enjoying them! As always for our main piece to cameras are recorded onto our C300 MKII going into an Atomos Shogun Inferno: www.proav.co.uk/atomos-shogun-inferno Lighting wise we always use a mixture of lights. For this video, we used an Aputure 300D for our key light: www.proav.co.uk/aputure-light-storm-ls-c300d-led-light-v-mount along with the LightDome: www.proav.co.uk/aputure-light-dome-ii And a SWIT flexible LED matte boomed directly behind Carl on a C-Stand as our backlight: www.proav.co.uk/swit-s-2620-bi-colour-smd-studio-panel-led-light Dan
Hi Carl, great video! Thanks for sharing such useful information regarding the Kinefinity system. I've read that these cameras are in competition with the top cinema cameras i.e Red and Arri cameras. Therefore, will it be possible for you to do an in-depth comparison video with the Red and/or Alexa video camera to see what set's them apart? Many thanks!
Thank you for covering these cameras! I feel like my main hesitation with the kinefinity line is that not much is known about them. There were really only a few videos covering them but I still want to know more!
I hate you! Well... I envy you is more like it... 😂 Looking forward to see more LF content in your channel... I'm on the fence about trading my T4K for the LF... Not because I need it, but just because!
Hey guys, so excited by this. Could you please do any sample footage and sharpness/aberration, etc. tests with the Mavo Primes lenses?? I would be really interested in seeing how those lenses hold up! Do you have any experience with those personally yet? Thanks!
Thanks for this great info video on the Kinefinity ! Always wanted to know about a fully manual power supply and accessories for cinema quality cameras !
I havent used one, no. They do look interesting though. We have reached out to them but no response yet, shame. They are very different to the Kinefinity cameras though. They are more of a specialist camera wheras the Kine's are a complete modular production system. Carl
Thanks for the video!! Thumbs up kinefinity for making everything interchangeable with all the different sensor size cameras. - It's hard to find a lot of user feedback - Looking forward to some footage and pros and cons.
If you're looking for user feedback, there is a fantastic community group over on Facebook called "Kinefinity Cinema Cameas" which might be of use? Dan
This is just wonderful. I havent even bought any camera with my entire life. I shoot stuff on my phone.... Then this camera lol looks so expensive! But the guy says its more afforable. Omg everything was expensive... The price difference are expensive vs super expensive. Anyway great video!
Spoke to you all at BSC about these guys! Honestly blown away and me and the company are thinking of investing in one. One major question I forgot to ask is how good is the warranty and repairs on these guys? Being based in China and small in the western world is the service on these cameras good? Also which do you personally like the most :) - YBP
We handle all the support and warranty for our UK customers. So should anything happen, you only have to pick up the phone. We have engineers in house who can repair most possible faults, pretty much anything apart from the sensor. If you get in touch with our sales team on sales@proav.co.uk they can explain the details to you. As for which I like the most.. it’s hard to say! I have done the most filming with the Mavo, and just love the images. But the Mavo LF is really something special Carl
Wonderful walkthrough the systems of Kinefinity. Thank you! Question: Can any display be used of ones own choice? Looking at the ultra bright Feelworld FW279S 7 Inch 2200nit. And the Luts from the camera will come through the camera correct, not the actual Kinemon itself? Thanks again!
ProAV TV and can the Mavo LF output all overlays to an external monitor via hdmi or sdi? Like peaking, volume monitor, time code and such? For example sony mirrorless cameras cannot in 4K. Thanks again so much!
The MAVO primes are PL mount, so you'll need to use one of the PL adapters. In terms of reviews, they are still an unreleased product, but we should be taking a look at them once they are released. Dan
Yep, since this video was made, Kinefinity has released the Kineback Lite, which is essentially a low profile V-Lock plate: www.proav.co.uk/kinefinity-kineback-lite You of course have the option of using BP-U style batteries in the sidegrip also. Dan
I don't like how the sidegrip attaches. And I don't really get why doesn't E mount has no electronics (I see they could have left a bit less space between the sensor and the mounting point for the bayonet so it could fit). All other seems nicely made though
If you're referring to the Kineback-W, there is actually a lot going on other than the V-Lock plate, there are XLR ports, pre-amps, the DarkTower Card slot, SDI boards and a fan to keep it all cool. Kinefinity do make a Kineback Lite, which is just a V-Lock plate without all the extras, and that's a lot smaller: www.proav.co.uk/kinefinity-kineback-lite Dan
@@ProAVTV is this available for international (EU) purchases, as well? If I decide to buy it through my company, would I qualify to pay VAT exclusive? Thanks
@@jonitan76 yeah i am hoping that at neb they announce a partnership with atomos already... then next year they can make an even better super-35 global shutter sensor cinema camera. 😣
We can repair most issues in house, here in the UK. There are only a few issues that will require the camera to China. If the camera needs to be sent off to China, we handle the process and all you'll have to do is either ship it to us or come in and drop it off and we'll handle the rest. But for the most part, repairs are handled here in the UK. Dan
That's correct, the E mount doesn't support electronic communication unfortunately, but there are some fantastic manual E mount lenses which you can use on Kinefinity's cameras. Dan
Pure camera porn in there. You just want to lick the screen :)) Too bad Kinefinity decided to paint the Terra in that tacky silver colour. It just looks like a toy. Matte black looks more professional.
The EF mounts have electronic pass through. The Sony E mount is very tricky to get the electronics in, as it has to be so very thin due to the flange distances required. They did make a Nikon mount, but stopped it due to low demand. Carl
Not for our UK customers. We handle both sales and support for the UK, so our customers never have to talk to Kinefinity directly, we can repair cameras ourselves in house. Carl
I would like to say than Kinefinity company have a good policitie of service , but they make a impossible task to try to purchase their products, I ve talked with kinefinity's sales but they have no idea about anything. Shame on Kinefinity I will try for another time, good luck kineteam Asia
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I had no idea these existed. One might say, with all respect, it's "the Poor Man's Red." Something we've needed for quite some time. And compared to Red, the pricing is fabulous.
Certainly, for people who would love to own a RED but the cost is prohibitive, the Kinefinity is a much more sensible option for people.
Carl
Mavo LF body alone is $12K. It's not "poor man's Red". But BMPCC 4K is. Unfortunately it's not full frame.
Z cam e2 F6 it is poor man red:)
Have you seen how red has ripped people off?
Maaaan I'd love to use the Mavo LF. Just looks so great.
It really is a fantastic camera
Carl
Image quality and lighting in your youtube videos are just gorgeous. Can you divulge a bit on what setup you've used here?
Glad you're enjoying them! As always for our main piece to cameras are recorded onto our C300 MKII going into an Atomos Shogun Inferno: www.proav.co.uk/atomos-shogun-inferno
Lighting wise we always use a mixture of lights.
For this video, we used an Aputure 300D for our key light: www.proav.co.uk/aputure-light-storm-ls-c300d-led-light-v-mount along with the LightDome: www.proav.co.uk/aputure-light-dome-ii
And a SWIT flexible LED matte boomed directly behind Carl on a C-Stand as our backlight: www.proav.co.uk/swit-s-2620-bi-colour-smd-studio-panel-led-light
Dan
What a fantastic job covering this system, thank you, are them all manual focus only?
Yes, they are manual only cinema cameras
Carl
Hi Carl, great video! Thanks for sharing such useful information regarding the Kinefinity system. I've read that these cameras are in competition with the top cinema cameras i.e Red and Arri cameras. Therefore, will it be possible for you to do an in-depth comparison video with the Red and/or Alexa video camera to see what set's them apart? Many thanks!
Thank you for covering these cameras! I feel like my main hesitation with the kinefinity line is that not much is known about them. There were really only a few videos covering them but I still want to know more!
how is the video quality,sharpness,colors and etc VS red cameras?plz make a Vs video between kine and red 🙏
Great video guys!
Loving my MAVO LF so far!
I hate you! Well... I envy you is more like it... 😂 Looking forward to see more LF content in your channel... I'm on the fence about trading my T4K for the LF... Not because I need it, but just because!
Hey guys, so excited by this. Could you please do any sample footage and sharpness/aberration, etc. tests with the Mavo Primes lenses?? I would be really interested in seeing how those lenses hold up! Do you have any experience with those personally yet? Thanks!
Thanks for this great info video on the Kinefinity ! Always wanted to know about a fully manual power supply and accessories for cinema quality cameras !
Let me ask, have you tried the Z-cam E2 yet?
I havent used one, no. They do look interesting though. We have reached out to them but no response yet, shame.
They are very different to the Kinefinity cameras though. They are more of a specialist camera wheras the Kine's are a complete modular production system.
Carl
@@ProAVTV hey what music did you use in the intro i really need it for a video please reply. thanks
Would love to see side by side comparison to compare color science, dyn. range, etc. (Arri, Red, etc.)
I would love for you to review and test out the wireless feature in the real world Carl. I have never used one and would love to see an example.
I have never used one to be honest! They are still aren't quite ready. Very excited to have a try soon though
Carl
if ever I get the budget this might be my first proper cinema camera to start with :)
I cant wait until they have distribution in the US. If they get to that point I will definitely choose them over reds.
I believe they are working on a US base of operations.
Carl
@@ProAVTV that's great to hear. Hopefully in a few years when I can actually afford one they will be all set up!
Fantastic review so far guys. I can't wait to see more!
Glad you found it useful, keep an eye on the channel over the following month for more on Kinefinity.
Dan
Thanks for the video!!
Thumbs up kinefinity for making everything interchangeable with all the different sensor size cameras. - It's hard to find a lot of user feedback - Looking forward to some footage and pros and cons.
If you're looking for user feedback, there is a fantastic community group over on Facebook called "Kinefinity Cinema Cameas" which might be of use?
Dan
@@ProAVTV thanks
Is the dark tower wireless system out yet?
This was a really great introduction!
Thanks! Glad it was helpful
Carl
Thanks for the video. Question, What song was at the beginning for the opening sequence?
This is just wonderful. I havent even bought any camera with my entire life. I shoot stuff on my phone.... Then this camera lol looks so expensive! But the guy says its more afforable. Omg everything was expensive... The price difference are expensive vs super expensive. Anyway great video!
Spoke to you all at BSC about these guys! Honestly blown away and me and the company are thinking of investing in one. One major question I forgot to ask is how good is the warranty and repairs on these guys? Being based in China and small in the western world is the service on these cameras good? Also which do you personally like the most :)
- YBP
We handle all the support and warranty for our UK customers. So should anything happen, you only have to pick up the phone. We have engineers in house who can repair most possible faults, pretty much anything apart from the sensor.
If you get in touch with our sales team on sales@proav.co.uk they can explain the details to you.
As for which I like the most.. it’s hard to say! I have done the most filming with the Mavo, and just love the images. But the Mavo LF is really something special
Carl
when using ana mode, it would be great to have 60fps. except that, it is great cam!
Hello! Thank you for review! Is it possible operate Kinefinity 4k with Ronin S?
Id like to see it film a fan and more to test rolling shutter.
Wonderful walkthrough the systems of Kinefinity. Thank you! Question: Can any display be used of ones own choice? Looking at the ultra bright Feelworld FW279S 7 Inch 2200nit. And the Luts from the camera will come through the camera correct, not the actual Kinemon itself? Thanks again!
Thanks for watching!
Absolutely, the body has a HDMI output, and the Kine-Back has 2 SDI outputs which you can pair with any monitor you like.
Carl
ProAV TV wonderful! Thank you so much Carl! I appreciate it!
ProAV TV and can the Mavo LF output all overlays to an external monitor via hdmi or sdi? Like peaking, volume monitor, time code and such? For example sony mirrorless cameras cannot in 4K. Thanks again so much!
Please do a Mavo LF in depth review
One is on its way! Hopefully releasing it today
Carl
Wow awesome!
That looks like goddamn star wars merchandise! XD
Very informative thanks👍🏾, subscribed
Glad that you found it useful!
Dan
Do the Mavo lenses fit directly to the cams or do we need to choose the type of mount when we purchase their lenses? Thanks!
Sorry one more thing, has anyone done any reviews on their mavo lenses? I can’t seem to find any yet online.
The MAVO primes are PL mount, so you'll need to use one of the PL adapters. In terms of reviews, they are still an unreleased product, but we should be taking a look at them once they are released.
Dan
Do yall ship to the US?
I would be interested to hear about editing with KineRAW. I know REDRAW is much easier to edit with than other formats.
We'll be covering using KineRAW 2.0 once it has been released, so keep an eye out for that.
Dan
Thanks for that awesome review!
is there a way to mount battery without the kineback w?
Yep, since this video was made, Kinefinity has released the Kineback Lite, which is essentially a low profile V-Lock plate: www.proav.co.uk/kinefinity-kineback-lite
You of course have the option of using BP-U style batteries in the sidegrip also.
Dan
The whole system kinda reminds me of the haselblad v system!
I don't like how the sidegrip attaches. And I don't really get why doesn't E mount has no electronics (I see they could have left a bit less space between the sensor and the mounting point for the bayonet so it could fit). All other seems nicely made though
Anri Orlow isn’t that because Sony won’t allow people access to their tech and allow 3rd party E-Mount adapters?
what song did you use in the first part. BTW nice video
Glad you enjoyed it, its 'Jungle' By Moon From Artlist.
Dan
Wow, Mavo on the Ronin-S must be nice.
It's a very nice combo!
Dan
Why is the battery plate nearly as big as the camera? I understand the battery itself being big but the plate seems to kill the size advantage here.
If you're referring to the Kineback-W, there is actually a lot going on other than the V-Lock plate, there are XLR ports, pre-amps, the DarkTower Card slot, SDI boards and a fan to keep it all cool. Kinefinity do make a Kineback Lite, which is just a V-Lock plate without all the extras, and that's a lot smaller: www.proav.co.uk/kinefinity-kineback-lite
Dan
That ssd slot concerns me. Looks real easy to get dirt and particles in. Even a little water would get in.
There is a door that closes when there is no ssd inserted.
Carl
@@ProAVTV thanks for the info! It really does look like a great camera. I'm just wondering how it would fair in less than ideal weather.
It’s not a weather sealed camera, you of course need a rain cover. But that is true for many camera systems.
Carl
Im very excited for this brand however, I dont have the money yet, but soon. 😀
We have a 0% interest free finance offer on for this month if that is of interest?
Carl
@@ProAVTV is this available for international (EU) purchases, as well? If I decide to buy it through my company, would I qualify to pay VAT exclusive? Thanks
@@catalinbalaceanu2173 where are you based? send me a mail - nick@proav.co.uk and we'll look in to this for you
Very nice
They are pretty exciting cameras
Carl
I wish I could try it out. No one has one to rent where I'm at.
Where are you based?
Carl
finally just decided to buy the X-T3 yesterday - now this? (reaches for the bottle of beano...)
if you dont have 10k budget.. maybe you can skip it :)
@@jonitan76 yeah i am hoping that at neb they announce a partnership with atomos already... then next year they can make an even better super-35 global shutter sensor cinema camera. 😣
What's up with support? Do you have to send your camera back to China if something happens?
We can repair most issues in house, here in the UK. There are only a few issues that will require the camera to China. If the camera needs to be sent off to China, we handle the process and all you'll have to do is either ship it to us or come in and drop it off and we'll handle the rest. But for the most part, repairs are handled here in the UK.
Dan
@@ProAVTV I live in the US so that's my concern
But ah... I think the E mount doesnt support any sony's photography electronic lens. I think it's for manual lenses or adapters only.
That's correct, the E mount doesn't support electronic communication unfortunately, but there are some fantastic manual E mount lenses which you can use on Kinefinity's cameras.
Dan
Compare them with red cameras
has Kinefinity solved the issue where the camera just shuts itself off randomly?
I have never encountered or heard of that issue? Where did you see that?
Carl
The camera looks ok..but they meed a better name for the company and cameras
Pure camera porn in there. You just want to lick the screen :)) Too bad Kinefinity decided to paint the Terra in that tacky silver colour. It just looks like a toy. Matte black looks more professional.
*drool
epic fail with the mount options
doesnt even have electronic pass through
i need proper sony E + nikon f & z
The EF mounts have electronic pass through.
The Sony E mount is very tricky to get the electronics in, as it has to be so very thin due to the flange distances required.
They did make a Nikon mount, but stopped it due to low demand.
Carl
Well you'll probably be using cinema lenses with a cinema camera, where electronic passthrough isnt needed.
If it breaks down do you send it back to China for fixing?
Not for our UK customers. We handle both sales and support for the UK, so our customers never have to talk to Kinefinity directly, we can repair cameras ourselves in house.
Carl
Who supports Canadian customers?
I would like to say than Kinefinity company have a good policitie of service , but they make a impossible task to try to purchase their products, I ve talked with kinefinity's sales but they have no idea about anything.
Shame on Kinefinity I will try for another time, good luck kineteam Asia
Netflix doesn't approve Kinefinity i guess, or do they ???
Are there any American Kinefinity dealers?
Theres no USA channel at the moment, but if you email sales@proav.co.uk we can help advise on your options.
Carl
Red is DEAD
First
prepossessing exhibition