A One Off... Or Season DERAILED? | The Cannon Podcast
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Us arsenal fans are extremely rash with our judgment, lose one game, arteta out, win one game, the quadruple is basically ours. If we win against bayern on wednesday we will be singing praises of everyone on our team.
There will always be a scapegoat, Saka, Jesus, Jorginho and Raya are picked on the most, expect one of the 4 to be slated no matter what happens on wednesday
Its not scapegoating. Mikel got it wrong against villa. When Jesus comes into the team the goals dry up. Havertz is not a midfielder. Its not scapegoating its facts. @Belligol.
@@Sdrawkcab_mioh no, not talking about Villa specifically, Arteta's set up was wack, just talking generally
It's not one game season started way back in mid- 2023.
It didn't start at 2024 how many fans like these are trying to gaslight into saying it's only one game in 2024 also forgetting we lost to Liverpool & Porto in 2024 itself. Most fans understand title is done Man City are displaying better form and have easier games.
Who is saying Teta out? The reaction is because, being realistic, we are reliant on Man City dropping points. And that is highly unlikely.
We are in the mix because of Teta and how he changed our season since Dubai.
The only thing we can do is not let the season derail. If we take a lot of points in the next 6 games and fall short. It's one of them. And not a bottle job. That is the minimum target now. Don't let the wheels come off. Stay in contention. And if we fall short, we do so with our head held high
It feels like League title is gone because of City and especially PEP. Pep set huge standarts to win a league. Small Margins. You drop points in 5-6 games and potencially you lose a title. Only 3 managers won a title challenging Pep - Mourinho with Centurion season with Real, Conte in first Pep season in EPL and Klopp with fantastic season and City getting "only" 81 pts 😅
The bottling has started. At the exact same point of last season as well & the season before(when we bottled top 4) if my memory is correct. Previous 2 seasons we blamed it all on injuries. Well this season, our injured players have actually come back fully fit. So what's the excuse now? When are we going to accept that this group of players crumble under pressure. Unless we bring in atleast 2 world class players (in the mould of a salah n debryune) who can change a game in an instant on their own, we ain't winning the pl or ucl...
@whatthehead Arteta is inadequate because he can't beat the best team in the world managed by the best manager in the world, let's say we sack Arteta, who do you propose we call to topple Pep?
@@Belligol.Did he say sack him? Stfu drama queen. He's right, we won 10 out of 11 with that system and Mikel changed it for absolutely no good reason. He did the same last year, we were top with Trossard in the false 9 and he changed it to accommodate Jesus and the goals instantly dried up. Don't throw your toys out of the pram just because someone doesn't share the same view as you - especially when they are right 🤡
@whatthehead how have we bottled it exactly? Losing a single league game in 2024 is bottling? How many hundreds of millions has Pep spent on Rodri,Ederson,Walker,Gvardiol,Haaland etc? City's project has been going on for 16 years, whilst us only 4. What makes you think just because of this one loss we can't win the prem next season? Arteta not being able to beat the greatest manager of all time is down to him being a bad manager? We can still definitely win the league this season, it'll be hard and we're relying on City, we can still win the cl this season, it'll be hard but not impossible
One of the best Rbs in prem history is injured? Boohoo, get on the pitch £80M Gvardiol
One of the best midfielders in prem history is injured? Don't worry, we have one of the best young midfielders on the world, get on, Phil
Current golden Boot winner and 2nd Place 2023 ballon d'or injured? We have one of the MVPs of the 2022 world cup😂
This is in no way on Arteta
@whatthehead because a single loss when we're still very much in the title race isn't bottling, your mind has been rotted by the Chelsea fans on twitter 😭
We as a fanbase are far too bipolar, when City had that October-November stump you wouldnt have seen a single city fan calling for Pep's head, a single loss in an almost perfect 2024 and everybodys calling us Bottlers. Hate singling out players but Saka can barely take a step before a fullback is coming to kick him down whilst Zinchenko gives wingers as fast as Salah Sane and Diaby all the space they wanted. Ive gone through too many hardships as an arsenal fan to give up at a time like this, we'll see how we respsond against bayern, praying we at least make the semis
How our season gets defined IS IF we get past Munich because Getting 1 over them is one thing, but 2 do it with Kane in that team as well Different 👏 Fish m8 A whole different ball game bro
Great pod guys, I'm an Arsenal fan, but man I am tired of how bipolar everyone is especially when things are negative-maybe I'm not as plugged into the Arsenal scene but to me, the only club to ever go Invincible is now expected to have a Perfect 38, if not it's all banter era, baby bottles and "you're not good enough 'yet'".
Just let me enjoy these lads playing beautiful football
The off-the-ball stuff arsenal have excelled, outplayed everyone. There is a reason for that. It comes at the price of having sufficient breaks between games. Arsenal clicked into gear since the new year, think why? Out of both cups only 1 game a week till porto. Which again was a tie that showed the levels dropping. If arteta wants to become a successful manager he again needs to tweak the system and give up control.These high intensity off the ball work rate is not sustainable. Also I feel arteta's lack of use of his players is the next danger, the moment 2-3 key players pick injury together. The drop off in level will be huge. Saka/Both CB/Rice being irreplacable currently imo.
spot on.... I do feel like a another summer of buying and improving players, we can get there
It feels like there is an issue with this Arsenal team in terms of managing themselves. Managing the highs and lows. I'm not going to lie, I'm pretty concerned about our away leg at Bayern. Its not as much the fact that we might lose, its the nature of the possible loss that concerns me. Last year against Brighton, we absolutely surrendered. If Bayern tack on the pressure early, and they score a goal in those early stages, I'm going to be very concerned. It seems like when we are on a high, we cannot be touched. We could beat any team in the world. When we are on our lows however, we cannot seem to stop that avalanche of bad results. That to me has to be something that speaks to both management, as well as the mentality of the players.
Its too early to say that this was a repeat of last year, but this week and the next 2/3 fixtures are critical to see if we have made any kind of progress. Again I dont mind that we lose to Bayern, but we should be competitive, we have that quality. And we need to get a win against Wolves over the weekend.
My goal when we started the season was getting over 85 points, and quarter finals. I'm going to amend that a little bit now to say that the goal should be to still get over 85 points, and we need to be competitive against Bayern, win or lose. If we lose, it cannot be by more than 1 goal. And this Wolves game now has become pivotal.
If we do get hammered at Bayern I worry for the rest of the season. We might take it really badly
@@Sdrawkcab_mi Yeah, I mean on one hand, these are the margins at the top of the table, playing with elite teams. City are very good at managing their bad games to not allow for a net effect. When they lose, they come out really strong in the next fixture. We have to get better at that, finding points from fixtures where we are not playing well. The perfect example is the Fulham, and Villa game over the holidays. If we don't concede 2 goals (1 to Fulham, and one to Villa), we are tied at the top of the table right now on points.
I think its all just a learning process. However we do need to show progress this season, we have to find a way to keep the pressure on City, and not let them get the league by default. If we capitulate again, and City win this league by game week 36/37, I will really have to ask some questions about how we are doing this year after year.
I dont like to question this about professional athletes, but I am concerned about the mental side of the game for these youngsters. I'm hoping players like Rice, Jesus, Odegaard, Gabriel, figure out a way past this mental block.
Bhavs makes the most obvious points and acts like he has said something smart.
One difference between last year and this year re: Zinchenko is simply that we don't have Granit Xhaka to cover. Xhaka has a really good reading of the game where he can very easily understand when to push forward and crash the box, and where to step back and cover, allowing Zinny to move forward. This year, the balance has shifted, where you'll see Rice/the left 8 pushing really high up and Gabriel shifting left to cover the space as Zinchenko moves centrally and up the pitch. But this creates an imbalance particularly on fast breaks where we don't always have coverage. We've seen Martinelli drop back a lot consistently this season to help out, but then this means he's not always available as an outlet when we have the opportunity.
Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you. It's still really early and much too tight to call anything yet. Did we really believe there would be a drama free end to the season? I'm sure there's more to come.
One thing is for sure, we need to be absolutely ruthless this summer. We should not have any player in the squad who cannot come on and improve the team. Nketiah, Nelson, Zinchenko, Viera, Partey all need to be sold and replaced with better options. ESR and Jesus maybe if a good offer comes.
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Arteta didnt get the line up wrong. Look at the chances in the first half. We should have been up 3-0. Later, Odegaard was taken off because of injury, and White was being eaten up by Zaniolo.
George....The point about zinny and Jesus not showing their experience... Zinny I agree but Jesus is constantly defending, or going on the wing and changing his striker style depending on what we need. Not both in the same category imo
Some fans just want to wear the shirt when we are winning. You can’t just wear it when we win, you have to wear it when we lose. We’re still in the race, it’s gonna be hard, but it’s less hard then last year
The main reason the fans are upset is because Arsenal have failed to get over the line in almost 20 years now.
The facts of the matter are Arsenal have lost their credibility in terms of them having that Champions Pedigree a long time ago.
This team has to urn that back from its fans , because our fans have been disappointed for so many years.
Tel definitely starting tuchel isn’t dumb hence why tel started lw on the weekend
The brilliant smith Rowe absolutely shit the bed when he came on, he, nketiah, Nelson, Partey, zinchenko need to go, along with Tavares tierney patino and lokonga, city do not carry players like we do
Exactly, we hold on to players based on sentiments, to me the likes of ødegaard , saka, rice etc looked tired, playing 90mins without rest and expectations, while the likes of partey, ESR, Vieira ride on the waves
Arteta throws them on at 77 minutes from the cold and you just expect them to pull miracles?
Man this episode is so depressing 😂 so so emotional
I Just watched 442 which shows the tactical change in the second half_ they dropped deeper and played Martinez as a centre back which gave them an extra man in build up. Then they went long to Zaniollo who held the ball well then switched to the left where Zinchenko left spaces for Bailey to run in...
Yeah and then we have the cheek to ask Why Teta's keep playing Zinny IS it because he knew him so well when they were at City together? I think theirs something We don't know in their somewhere?? Because He's so poor I'd back my Dad to a better job and he's 73/74 in a few weeks No Cap
24:31 It’s Arteta adding pressure without meaning too, they are all a bit tooooo drilled
Could be
It's the only problem we had the whole season. Breaking down middle blocks. Fulham away, Villa Away, Porto Away, Bayern at home and now Villa at home. Nothing new, it's our most prominent weakness and we have to adress it for next season and we'll have a great chance at winning everything.
next phase in the evolution, dealing with middle block
Zinchenko has been that bad like losing possession jogging back low quality misplaced passes & just lack of concentration, slowing down play he has been so bad this season I honestly thought maybe he has been taking bribes 😂 cuz some decisions you think what are you even thinking lmao
Rice,partey,oder, martinelli or trossard,and havertz or jesus,im thinking jesus on champions league form
Whys he doing Madness in the first place bro? RAYA PLAY IT LONG YOU THINK TO YOURSELF AND HE'LL PAST IT TO The left hand side... Hello 👋
This Bayern match could be the impetus for something special. Man City will drop points!
You talk about resting players and then complain about Odegaard coming off, he got kicked in the chest
I'm agree with george there, peoples blaming zinchenko or whatever, but in the end, mikel just have to take the blame for poor game management and time management for the squad. Soon, big gabi, ødegaard, and saliba gonna dropped off bcs they almost playing 90 minutes at all competition (in fact, big gabi recently showed that bozo gene as well)
It feels catastrophic, not necessarily because we lost. But because we are 2 points behind City, with 6 games to go. And ain't no one expecting City to drop points.
Let's get this straight. Losing to Villa at the weekend didn't cost us the title. It is incredible that we even had it in our own hands, after that run towards the end of 2023.
We have to take the plaudits. Cause we are only in the question because of the incredible form since the New Year.
If this is the only loss in the PL until the seasons end. We can quite rightly say that we didn't bottle anything. We dragged ourselves back into contention. And one loss was enough for City to beat us to the line. And we will have lost the title in the back end of 23. But we are still in amazing form in 2024 and we go again.
On the flip side. If the wheels come off now. We will get top 3 but go into next season with valid arguments that we bottled it two years in a row. And that would be a shame because we have genuinely improved this season.
I can't see us making up 2 points in the last 6 games. Unfortunately. We need to finish the season well and anything is possible. But if we fall short, a couple points behind City. We haven't bottled anything. We go into 24/25 as one of the best teams in Europe. Perhaps even as holders of the league or maybe even the CL.
The worst thing that we can do from here is derail. For psychological reasons as much as keeping the title alive
Switch up the sides of play and go long, is exactly what we need against the mid block teams. Agree with you, George.
Key to how we played this year was control. Apart from the huge scorelines, those with lower gaps were still from control or as what Arteta prefers to call it, dominance.
But Zinchenko overplayed his importance to the team by being too anxious to create something. Each time he got the ball he was looking to go for the killer pass and several were late resulting in offsides or loose both allowing Villa to keep the ball and grow in confidence. Didn’t help that at 0-0 he elected to play ‘gentleman’ and kick the ball out of play. Even Saka was exasperated. And when we conceded I think the team’s mentality was collectively pointed at Zinchenko having wasted too many moments and mentally drained to chase the ball for the 2nd.
It was practically all Zinchenko last night as much as your ‘objective’ pundits would hate to admit it.
Look at Man United. The worst system and the worst football play. But they are still no. 6 or 7 on the table because they have multiple players who can have individual brilliant moments. Arsenal needs such players - are the current ones capable? - may be
You can’t critique Arteta for looking at Names when you’re doing the exact same thing with White. He was losing duels to a bum like Zaniolo all 2nd half, he had to come off.
The difference between us and City is basically how they have managed their season. They have a clear strategy that was to not lose to us and Liverpool, and pick games that they have to win. We have faltered because we’ve lost matches which we should not lose like Fulham, West Ham etc.
Totally agree with George. Arteta's Achilles' heel has always been his failure to rotate when appropriate. Now it seems like most of our key guys are banged up and or overextended going into the stretch run. That said, while it may not be likely, it's certainly not unthinkable that City potentially drop points in one of their remaining away matches. Now, it's time for Arsenal to show if they have really matured mentally. A win against Bayern would be a huge psychological boost. Meanwhile, it's not hard to imagine where a loss could easily lead to another late season collapse.
tactical masterclass from arteta on sunday bayern will batter arsenal tonight
George's analysis upto 22mins was bang on. I feel the chemistry of the line up lead to the drone football which saw us not meet the game Infront, as George says. The fact that we chose to pass up or not see shooting opportunities in the first was criminal. Another observation, Trossard repeatedly seems to fail in releasing passes to more advanced players with high-lines at our mercy
The plan stays the same, we have to go perfect for the rest of the season. The league is no longer in our hands but at this point, there’s nothing else we can do but continue fighting. No point in derailing the season when there’s a chance that city gets 1 draw and we beat them on goal difference. COYG❤️🤍
(The team also played very well yesterday for me, but the screaming issue was that we don’t have a star finisher. If we had isak up front instead of Havertz, he would have had a hattrick)
Havertz is slow to get the ball under control, by the time he does, his defender is already on him, & he can't dribble. He needs quick support that he can head or dink the ball to, because he is not likely to score from those long balls from behind
Love the excuses. keep it up really setting the standards
If Mikel starts Zinny against Bayern, we are definitely done for the season.
It feels like someone has died because we lost one game. Drama queen 🙄
I agree that we need someone other than a star striker, likely Isak and a Florian Wirts to change the attack.
If he wants to start zinny play him as number 8
They will never drop points
White was on a yellow card
At best we lose on penalties !
Is it me or does it seem that a lot of teams rotate, rest players and give up even before they set foot on the pitch against city. They have some kind of aura that makes it even easier for them. Granted they have worked hard for a decade to creat it so hats off but its annoying watching teams just try and get through a game without spilling every drop of blood to try and get a result like they do against arsenal and Liverpool. Man city must get given at least 10 games a season at this point just by the opposition surrendering before a ball is kicked. annoying.
Hats off? They've been cheating for a decade 😂😂😂
Ahh Alex has forgotten of Timber existence… 13:07 only joking, just bad example.. I’d say Saka&Martinelli
I can't excuse our second half performance yesterday. But it was always going to be a tall order for us to push city to the very end of the season.
We all know that city finish the season strongly and if we compare our final run-in games compared to city, its much harder on our front than theirs.
Having said that, we should have been winning going into half time yesterday. Our players missed very good chances and it just goes to show the pressure can still get to us. Yes, we have good squad depth, but it's not brilliant. We lack top cover for Saka, Odegaard and Saliba, as well as a top, top forward.
Overall, this season has been progressive (pushing the league in a 3 horse race, until now. And getting to at least the quarter finals of the champions league), but mainly on a defensive front we have improved quite a bit.
We just need a strong summer of incoming and outgoings. Then, next season Arteta needs to find a better balance of squad rotation. As even though he has improved on that front this season, he still hasnt been excellent at it. We cannot play Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Saka, Rice pretty much every game. They have tired because they are playing every 3-4 days and have played pretty much all other games in the league, champions league and some Cup games. We need that quality depth to be able to come in and do what needs to be done at a top level.
I do think we have missed what Timber could have brought to the team this season and the same for what a fully fit Partey can bring as well, but we do lack a killer striker, who given half a chance will bury it.
Either way, there is still games to be played and this team is still capable of putting a strong end to the season, even if it ends like last season (finishing 2nd).
If he rotate most of the team and lost i would understand,abit less disappointed than running our starting 11 for most of the game and losing,they look drained...and now going the bayern home ...offfff
That’s why. He was getting tired and frustrated. Didn’t want to risk a red
Great analysis lads !
Kiwior has been cooked every game he played, no other player in Arsenal plays between the lines except Zinchenko. He even created some of the best chances but the forwards didn't convert. First goal was Martinelli's mistake because he didn't cover Bailey. Zinchenko made only one mistake ln the game but you guys are putting all the blame on him.
...then why not try playing zinchenko in midfield, playing him at LB is like a double edge sword, we know what he's going to offer us bit it comes with a cost, why not pair him with rice in midfield, so he would be free from defending wide spaces
The J5 and TP conversation is funny with regards to rice. The only reason they’re needed is because they have to babysit rice with regards to passing and build up play because if his passing was there, what is the actual need of either of them.
If Ode is taking build up responsibilities why would you play Jorginho. At least Partey is a specialist and more athletic than Odegaard
We have a GK that can’t make saves, a LB that cant defend, a ST who can’t score. Make it make sense.
Do you think it's fair to call Arteta Out after 4 years and 1 solidarity F.A cup to his name guys? Wait and we see I guess?
5 years