The Least P2W MMORPGs 2024
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The sad truth about MMORPGs in 2024 is that many of them are ruined by their monetization, rampant shameless pay to win seems to be everywhere nowadays, especially in the MMOs coming Asia, many people play MMOs as an escape from reality, you might be broke AF IRL but in game you could be a legend, a PVP god, a raider with legendary gear that other people are jealous of, these game have the potential to give people a sense of status that they’d otherwise never experience in real the real world.
I, and many others genuinely miss the time when our only concern when a new MMO was announced was how good the game would be, not with how the devs are gonna try to weasel their way into our wallets for infinite cash.
So in this video we’re gonna talk about the least pay to win MMOs, bare in mind that pay to win is a spectrum, almost every MMO exists on this spectrum in one way or another and every single MMO in existence CAN be pay to win if you break the rules and pay someone to play on your account or you illegally buy gold on third party websites
but considering that’s against the rules and you could get your account banned for doing so we realistically can’t consider that pay to win, if we did there’d literally be no games on this list.
The MMOs on this list are either not pay to win at all, low on the pay to win spectrum or have a their p2w capped to an optional sub fee or battle pass.
Do you agree with the MMOs listed in this video? are there any other good MMO you'd consider non p2w? let me know in the comments below!
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MMOs featured in this video:
- Final Fantasy 14
- Guild Wars 2
- New World
- World Of Warcraft Classic
- WoW Retail
- Old School Runescape
- Runescape 3 IRONMAN MODE ONLY
- Elder Scrolls Online
- Star Wars The Old Republic
- Project Gorgon
- Embers Adrift
- Mortal Online 2
- Palia
- Guild Wars 1
- Lord Of The Rings Online
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The Least P2W MMORPGs In 2024
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What about albion online? Its got its premium system but you can buy it from ingame silver, and gold to silver trading can only help with money, and a well speced player can have the same power for a quater of the price. and the tradable fame tomes are inefficient that youll need 14830 usd to max out one weapon tree. ptw is only really worth it for premium
nice asmongold reaction clip 💯
i love the Lineage 2 music in the baground from the town of DION. i am 40 now and u remind me how i liked to play mmorpgs i started with lineage 2 and when i was afk most of the times i was sitting on DION town to listen that music.. i dont know why but i can only tell u that this music transported me there with my char. a necromancer called Necronomica... ty again for ur videos. i am still searching a game to play after World of warcraft and i am still searching my next LINEAGE... where all started for me. Wish u a nice day.... BTW i can recognise that soundtrack for miles away.....
channel bought and paid for
Being B2P and P2W at the same time shouldn't even be considered a game.
Ah yes, average day for blizzard's games enjoyer
Even if it's a tiny bit P2W, then the game by definition, is P2W. It really is that simple.
buy to play is hardly pay to win, im not paying $200 for a chance to get one of the best items for my class in say guild wars 2 for example, further more my core guardian could hyperthically deal more dps in a burst than an elite spec, while elite spec might have far more utility, and I wouldnt even consider multiple account owners like myself pay to win in guild wars 2, where a normal single account player does 1 set of weeklies Ill be legitimately working through 8 sets 1 by 1 just to get 720 gold where if someone were to farm world bosses or riba that could get the same amount for less time
@@shogenx with the way fashion wars works even if your not working it from a money perspective if you dont want to change a character look i know some people will main a class they really like and just make a new toon to dress it up with a diffrent fashion lol so they need as many slots and their brains can handle XD
@@Angelvanberghen I disagree, depends what you think 'winning' is.
This video just shows how dead MMO's are. I thought I would find some hidden gem. But its all the usual suspects.
right? One would think that there should be some really nicely polished mmorpgs developed within the past 10 years and yet here we are looking at the same games over and over again. Feels like that genre has fallen out of gamers interest /popularity. Instead we are being over run by crafting/survival games and various types of shooters. I wonder if the era of mmorpgs is gone forever or if we gonna se a revival. Todays new MMORPG appearances don't seem to be very combat focused and would require to spend even more time with various non combat activities. Combat has lost its focus and I would love to have a game where I can simply relax in my free time.
Hidden gems is a concept that doesn't apply to MMOs. They're extremely big, hard to develop and expensive games, its imposible to find obscure games that nobody knows about that are worth your time
ah yes hidden MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE gem
@@yacinekcl Ah yes. The vida game player who knows about EVERY GAME WORLDWIDE. So they didn't need to watch the video. But for some reason thought they should comment on it.
right...so, the millions of people playing both WoW and FFXIV don't exist because the genre is dead
It’s a sad state within the video game industry when you have to make videos like this
propaganda for second tier mmos oof. Glad peon is getting paid all things considered though would be great for those funds to be invested into actual decent games.
fr man sometiimes i sit around and just wonder why so many modern mmos suck
Whoever says GW1 is pay to win is beyond me. Game is a gem.
I guess because you can get Character Heroes by paying which lets you make some specific hero team builds but even that's a stretch since you can 100% the game with the Heroes you get by just playing the game.
people always find a way to say a game is pay to win even when its objectively not.
I have tried to get into GW2 so many times. Everything so far I liked, but I can't keep at it. 😮
its cause its generic fantasy fluff. Absolutely zero interesting style or uniqueness to the game.
@@matthewmammothswine4395 Have you like... looked at the game?
@@matthewmammothswine4395 You either didnt play it or played it very little. Game is not for everyone so if you dont like it thats fine, but you cant say its not unique because thats just false, compared to the other MMOs listed, its one of the more unique ones. Still the story is overall at about 7.5/10, which is better then most MMOs, but those games offer much more then just a story, each MMO brings something unique in terms of content and gameplay and Id say gw2 does a very good job at what its trying to do.
@@matthewmammothswine4395 Now that's just wrong.
as a wow/new world/eso original player moving to gw2 took me maybe 150 hours, i pushed out of boredom and the game kinda unlocked in my head. things it does are meaningless in other games but are core in gw2, ive never given much care in achievements maybe title and a mount, in gw2? achievs as just 1 example, took me ages to realised the thousands of varied stories and questchains that were buried in that. i had to get over "but wow does it like so.." mindset cuz its not meant to be compared :D its just abit odd but in a nice way
P2W is literally paying for an advantage over another player.
Exactly. And buying gear for converted real life money should not be considered p2w. If you could buy better gear with money than the non paying player then its p2w. Time savers is not p2w.
time saving is an advantage, thus time saving is p2w
@@Sw0nk0thie is false. It depends on the game.
On lineage2, depending on expansion it can take up to 1 year or more to reach max level. If you can buy direct levels, you would be basicaly 1year ahead of most players. This would provide with highwr level resources earlier which would make you rule the market vs people who did not take the Level-boost since the game is a true sandbox and it would snowball in favour of whoever takes this boost as resources need to be farmed to go to the market. Most end game clans in lineage2 monopolize resources to be clan-only or extremely expensive to outsiders.
@@cursedshadow And that would apply if we were discussing Lineage 2, but we aren't. Most of the games on this list take less than a week to get to max level (most can be done in a day or 2). Are we really going to compare buying high level gear to save 1-2 days of time? Considering most of the people that buy level boosts are people working overtime and thus lack the time to level a character efficiently.
Well done Timmy
I just recently got back into guild wars 2 after a 5 plus year-long hiatus and I have to say it's fantastic right now
Janthir Wilds has been pretty fun so far.
Is it good for a beginner like me? Like, can I play and still have fun?
@@aldrixdelosreyes1727 Yes, but you should also really consider the double pack of dlc as well (Heart of Thorns + Path of Fire) as it comes with 2 huge upgrades for each class in the form of elite specs. They may or may not be going on sale during the next steam sale so you could probably hold off for a while.
Good ol' GW2.
One of the best to ever do it
was never good idk why people still act like it is or ever was
@@n9ne because it is to the million people that have played it since launch. You're in the minority
@@n9ne If you dont like its okay, but its your problem. Gw2 is a very popular and beloved mmo
@@n9ne How to say stupid without saying you're stupid.
It’s sad to think mmos are a thing of the past especially fantasy. It’s what first got me into gaming and I loved every moment, company’s see them as too much of a risk with little return and high investment that’s why nothing in 20 years has come close to the old days of wow and even that is long since past. Maybe one day, but I doubt we will ever see a huge fantasy mmo ever again.
Lol the people who are voting that dont actually play the game are the types to argue just for the sake of arguing.
I play GW2, about 15k hours in it with over 30k achievement points. It's 100% P2W, you can buy legendary/ascended gear (end game gear) all with gold being bought off a credit card. That's not including mount collections you can buy without having to farm it normally. You can also use the gold to buy raid clears/fractal clears/achievements. This video is really off on it's suggestion of what "p2w" is.
@@Cofreshi Literally everything in life is pay2win in some form or another. EVERYTHING has a price, even ur mum.
@@vilxxblack2472 doesn't make it any less p2w. Useless comment
@@Cofreshi This is the dumbest "P2W" category/way I've seen; this is more like Pay 2 Skip time farming (which is also not a lot of time cause you can literally earn them passively playing the game)
Have you people actually seen/played P2W games? True P2W are the ones where you can buy Gear or Item where non-paying players could never get (or takes like 37 million hours of playtime to get), an advantage so big it's disgustingly unfair which I also experienced back then.
I've also played GW2 before and it was a breath of fresh air for me, I already caught up with the "End-Game" gear in 2 months on my first time playing, Legendary weapons doesn't really matter cuz they're more of a convenience (which I never actually needed), nobody actually gives a damn about raid clears and achievements except probably the player itself. If you buy a clearing team for your ego... then that says a lot about the player lmao.
If ever there was a P2W scale of games, GW2 doesn't/barely qualifies for it compared to what I've seen and played before. I remember playing a game where I literally 1 vs x/Guilds on fights cause I was a paying player, it was so funny and disgusting.
@@Cofreshi you cant buy ascended gear lol these are account bound. Only gear you buy is legends and you can only buy legends weapons gen 1/3. Are you sure you have 15k hours lol And what mount collections? Skyscale? Without converting gems to gold you could buy raid boosts etc its in every game.
Love me some GW2!
just came back to osrs after 6 year break... having the greatest time i ever had
Same here. My main acc got turned into an rs3 account. Started an osrs account when it first came back out but was too upset at losing my stats and quit. Came back a couple weeks ago and loving it
Same I made an iron-man 2 months ago. Best thing I ever did. Feels like 2005 all over again.
New World is no longer an MMO but an ARPG. 😂
i come to the conclusion some people consider games pay to win if u have to buy the game with money or pay a subscription to play it lol
Can't win in a game you can't play ;)
/s
lotta braindead votes lmao
Lot of braindead takes. These are almost all P2W. Any advantage WHATSOEVER in a game is P2W, and it's always been that way. I don't care if there's literally only 1 MTX and it's a 5% boost to your mining speed, the games P2W. Doesn't matter if you can buy that same boost with in game gold you earn, that's not the point.
It's literally always been the case, there is no P2C or P2X, there is just P2W.
LA pay to win? Kek.
Yeah, FFXIV to begin with. Def not P2W! And then lists a pay for level boost in the next sentence. 🙄 And there is def a challenge to levelling in it - there's a reason it's known as 'levelling cancer' among mmoers lol!
@@PherPhurcool now after you have trauma dumped maybe your mind will be clear. Now read the title of the video again.
@@Nostromo2144 FF14 is "Pay to not fall asleep during the MSQ". (I don't play it but I looked up the amount of quests before the first dlc begins and it was somewhere around 150 depending on starting zone? Also the vast majority of those quests are fetch quests or emoting in front of NPCs and then telling other NPCs that you did it. Riveting)
Pay-to-Play does not equal Pay-to-Win and I think that's where a lot of your voters are getting it wrong.
I think that was just ignorant voting, and down-voting a game because they didn't like it.
tbh this just reflect the "asmongold" mentality, just shit on anything and then make a reactionary video on how "modern gaming is dead", people just wanna shit on things
Very true. And may I add not just in video games but everywhere else. Shitting on things brings anger, passion and views = 💰
I consider doing 18 raids a week to tap on a 1% gambling simulator also a dogshit game.
But considering how you immediately treat that video for calling out true facts blind hate, you're probably one of these honers, am I right?
I saw the video title and said "oh it's gonna be gw2 isn't it"
yes
The least garbage MMORPGs 2024 should have been the title, it's a race to the bottom when it comes to this genre.
Maybe they are confused between P2W and P2P
This really show how "accurate" internet polls are 😅
Internet polls from MMOs players 👀
No hate I just find it a bit interesting that the complaints about WoW's pay to win through the WoW token (it is pay to win, not denying it), is pretty much identical to what was described in GW2. You can buy gold, with money, or turn gold onto shop balance and vice versa. That's what the WoW token is, yet the GW2 version frames it as if it's not pay to win at all whereas WoW having the exact same system is considered P2W. I've grinded out multiple shop mounts in WoW with in game gold farming. Why is the GW2 one not P2W in that sense when it has the exact same system?
It's like being part of a cult.. for example every religion claim they are the truth but in fact they are all the same just different names and branding.. something like that.
I play neither but I assume it's down to GW2 being a horizontal game, with being able to reach end game gear in a few weeks and having that gear now be the best forever, thus making all the gold you can buy unable to be used on power systems at that point. If WoW is also like that and never adds vertical power and you can get all the end-game statted gear fairly easily then they should be treated the same.
For Elder Scrolls Online, the sub also gives you the EXTREMELY beneficial unlimited crafting bag. It's so good that if you have even the least bit interest in crafting/gathering then the sub is practically mandatory.
Bro just expand the inventory and bank with gold and Sell the materials if you dont have more space, 1000 hours in the game and only have problems in early game, when you dont need gather or craft nothing. The problem Is when you are new you just take all the things you found😅
@@Bxstardo99 Bro, it's still miles better with the crafting bag. It's a QOL feature, only it's so extremely useful that it's very difficult to go back after having used it.
One thing missing about FFXIV is that you can play up to the 3rd expansion for free which amounts to basically half of the main story.
Some say it’s “critically acclaimed”
now i wanna see the most P2W games.
Wow, Black Desert, Lost Ark, Diablo Immor(t)al and many many more.
I'm just here to give some love to the Dion Theme ost on the background 🖤
The comments for this video are weird
He's botting comments for sure
@@arkkyan there literally like 4 bots in the comments section lmao…nice try tho I think he’s jsut talking about the weird opinions and vibe in the comments…you know something that bots actually can’t achieve. Imagine thinking peon would need to pay for bot comments lmao
@@Lalaafastroli there are bots in the comment section, I highlighted that. Chill dude, put the white knight sword away 🤣
@@Lalaafastroli bots make up the majority of internet traffic. you have no idea what you're talking about
@@ElderSign32 bots our on every major social media platform with anyone that has a following. If you two actually think peon is hiring sex bots to grift comments…you are literally out of your mind. It’s common sense if you are above 14yrs old
Wow token is literally legalized uncapped RMT, it's high tier p2w on top of sub, doesn't even make sense to be on this list.
So are Runescape bonds
@@MajinBuusni Yes, you are totally right, but i think he specified HC SSF only.
Totally agree, uncapped RL spending for the best gear in the game from Mythic+.
People's willingness to accept it is the great embarrassment of gamers. Every time I hear they're still making that game I say "ugh, that's so pathetic", and go back to my game.
so i came to this video to see which games are the ones with less pay to win and the first 3 minutes of the video was a waste of my time. wtf
calling money laundering games not p2w is another whole level of lunacy
OSRS Ironmen can actually buy bonds, but they cannot sell them. Win-win?
Throne and Liberty is basically on the other end of Pay2Win, you can technically buy full Gear with Cash Shop Currency straight from the Auction House.
Apart from buying the DLC's I have never spent a dime on GW2 and never had to because anything in the shop you can get without spending money. Which is what i have done for years now.
Mortal online 2 has the most integrity in terms of monetizing their game imo. 15$ sub fee, that's it. No microtransactions, no cash shop or any of that bullshit and it makes me so thankful!
Game is wickedly hard to. A good one. Played at launch.
Ya brutal to solo:( can you play 3rd person yet?
Video proves people are just stupid af and that's why devs should never listen to playerbase complaints. Sometimes the complaints are warranted, but the fact that 98% of the time players are just tarded, means they should be ignored.
Completely agree with "the problem is when you can get UNCAPPED gold". This is why I hate WoW tokens, OSRS bonds, etc. the fact that people can get infinite amounts of gold just by using their credit cards makes all economies pointless, and economy is a very important aspect of MMORPGS.
your ideal F2P non P2W game just got EOS by Bandai , let that sink in xD
it's crazy that we are in 2024 and absolutely 0 MMORPG make me wanna play it. they either don't have an interesting combat system i would enjoy, or either look crap, and if they are cool, the FOMO is over the top (i loved lost ark, but all the daily shenanigan and farming took me away from it)
sounds like the issue is in your approach to them, but ok
that sounds like you dont want to play an mmorpg lmao
@@kaanarmutcu6740 i just need an online souls like, but i guess i'm gonna have to wait till mh wilds before finally getting another good coop game t_t
@@mathieu499 to be fair mhw will be my go to aswell. But we dont play mmorpgs to play a game like souls its to play a game with a community
@@kaanarmutcu6740 ha on my side i'm playing games for their gameplay with friends, we haven't joined any discord community XD all waiting for mh wilds rn since we all finished elden ring XD
you forgot to add warframe & PSO2NGS on the list. The monetization in those games are just about cosmetics, where you can acquire using in-game currency.
Note: You can't convert Gold to Crystal if your total Free 2 play in Guildwars 2. You need to activate your game by purchasing DLC, Just an heads up for the newer player who stumbled here searching for an MMO game. :>
GOD...that music from Lineage 2 makes me soooo nostalgic... I MISS PVP MMOs!!!!!
Right, so these games you PAY, but not to win.... ok?
it's sad how little good rpgs/mmorpgs we are getting lately.
that dion music though
I just played vanilla wow for the last year and it is now very p2w.
Raiding its made mostly through what its called gdkp.
So basically items are bidded by the raid leader for gold who then keeps a % of the total gold earned at the end of the raid and the rest divided with the 39 members.
Items like the famous gressil cost about 150k gold.
The users who get this weapons either have to farm gdkps for a year before getting that much gold or basically buy gold online.
I see new accounts come in and get full bis in a couple runs this way…
Gdkps ruined vanilla experience sadly.
Just here to remind everyone that Peon has been shittalking GW2 and almost every other current MMO recently.
Because he doesn't actuallyhave any passion or motivation for MMOs anymore and is just trying to milk you boys for ad revenue.
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TheLazyPeon: The Least P2W MMORPGs 2024
Me: I was expecting the video to be for less than 30 seconds for some reason... 😉
One of the reasons I stopped playing MMOs was because the IQ of the average player has dropped substantially to the point where its not fun to play, like at all. They are either narcissistic psychopaths or chunk from the goonies, thats it. This video proves it. Also usually those that are the first to comment with insults are the former.
@@John_Conner222 you’re not wrong lol. From my experience playing just about every popular MMO out there, about 75-80% of players are just plain stupid. Which is about the same as in real life. I’d saying 75% of people in general are pretty dumb and can’t focus on or even think about anything other than: get up, work, spend money, sleep, do it again tomorrow.
If a game has a cash shop that sells anything other than cosmetic items, it’s pay to win….
Its a crime to have Lineage 2 appear in the video and not being mentioned...
It appeared as the most p2w game out there xD
@@aBait. maybe now, but it never was before, ppl massively stopped playing after interlude and more advanced chronicles anyway.
@@dantegw indeed, which is why it's not relevant on today's mmo menu. Wonder if there's some decent private servers still around though~
@@DragonmindLai but it was relevant enough to put it in the video tho, bte yea i still jump in from time to time, you can find semi decent servers on hopzone
Lost Ark in the beginning... a true example of how a homework community + predatory practices will kill the game in the west within the next 1-2 years.
The game bleeds out more and more active players per day.
Thank god there is still 4-5 MMO you can always go back to.
Don't mean to advertise my channel or anything, but there's an unreleased mmorpg called scars of honor and they already sell mounts for up to $750 each. You can check it on their website since its still not changed. I actually made a video about it. Its not well edited or anything, but i wanted to let people know what kind of "games" there are out there. P.S. been watching LazyPeon since 2014
GW2 is incredible and all of you owe it to yourselves to try it
@@Lord-JJK u need to grow up and realise that just something being old doesnt always diminish its value. the game is more alive than ever.
I think I would absolutely fall in love with it if had controller support. I've played it on and off over the years and I always end up abandoning it. FFXIV, ESO and even WoW has it now to some extent. GW2 would be a blast with that feature.
@@raptorhacker599The game only runs on one core, doesn't matter how good your pc is, it will lag like hell in meta events.
@@Lord-JJKa new expansion released 2 days ago. Janthir Wilds. Game is poping
@@raptorhacker599 You need to grow up and realize that technology does diminish in value the older it gets. Software will ALWAYS become unusable at some point, due to incompatibilities with modern OS's. Additionally, graphics, mechanics, and gameplay all change as the years go on, and an older game FEELS old when you jump into them. Someone mentioned it further up in the thread, but controller support is something most modern games have, while GW2 does not have it. GW2 does not have a LOT of features most modern games have. That is a great reason to not give the game a try.
I actually really like the game, but sometimes it can be tough to play with how dated it is.
Big like for the Lineage 2 music in the background
About New World. It's not directly pay to win. But if you wanna be part of a big companies, it's almost mandatory to buy gold. Crafting bis gear is not possible and you have to spend real life money to do so. Some companies are so deep in this, that they allow people play wars only if you are buying gold.
If you just want to enjoy pve. Definitevly NOT pay to win.
If you want to chill in PVP. Definitevly NOT pay to win.
If you want to play on the highest level. Without pay to win, you're in a disadvantage and you have to just be better. 4Head
SWTOR, LotRO and ESO may not be "pay to win" but they are 100% "pay for convenience". Same with FO76.
Pay for convenience is p2w. Stop making this distinction, it's dumb. Convenience is an advantage in 90% of cases.
@@alfanan123 Yeah, for example ESO subscription is p2w. Although I would say that the sub is so mandatory that you can't play the game for a longer period of time without it, so it's not necessarily p2w and instead just a requirement to play the game.
fallout 76 isn't a mmo why are you even bringing that pos into this conversation! theres a reason they gave it away for free like a month after launch same with that sskjl game
@@alfanan123 The distinction is for egregious models that actually give you advantages in PvP situations and the product as a whole has few to no other qualities/aspects to counterbalance or overshadow the P2W aspects.
@@WhiteWolf601 I've been playing ESO without sub for 6 years now. It's only a time saver if you really don't want to spend like 5 minutes per day putting crafting mats in your bank. I bought all the DLCs with gold from other players, done most of endgame achievments, fully decorated several houses, can play PvP at the same level as people that pay for sub. Can't see how it's so mandatory. It's convenient, yes, but not even close not mandatory.
Great Video!
But i do think New World is p2w because they have locked previously existing endgame content behind paid expansions.
So if you don't buy the expansion, they take away your ability to play stuff like Mutated Dungeons, which people were already playing before the expansion came out... Making you unable to ever get back into "endgame" without paying.
Not to mention all of the exp boost you can get in the cash shop.
As for the Old Republic, the subscription makes all expansions unlocked permanently even if you stop subscribing after just 1 month.
So in that regards, is not "required to maintain", just required to get once.
runescape not being considered pay to win when its run by bots is a big surprise. I am sure you can buy everything, specially in that game.
That Lineage 2 soundtrack 🥲
If you're a MapleStory player, it's a mixture of both heavily P2W if you're in the regular server, or less P2W when in Reboot, such as buying pets to loot for you, buying an event pass for more rewards, or a booster to help boost your skills faster while you grind.
I missed Lineage 2. Dion theme(shepherds flute) always takes me to the memory lane.
The whole L2 soundtrack was just sooo good. Whenever you entered Aden, Giran or any other town/village, you just knew where you were by the soundtrack :)
damn.. the Lineage 2 soundtrack in the background....
WoW and Classic WoW is super pay2win. Just buy Wow tokens and buy gold and you buy the best gears. That's what people are doing.
I don't consider max lvl boosts or purchaseable content as being "pay to win", that's just pay to progress, which is particularly good for games with jobs / kids who can't play invest the time anymore. The really egregious ones are where top tier gear, or stat boosts are only acquired through real world money, meaning that paying real money puts you at an advantage over someone who is willing to spend their time but not their money.
Ok @lazypeon it's not true about SWTOR. Now you can actually play it for free. if You subscribe for like a month or two to get your account unlocks you can play literally for free after that if you play only one character ... because it will have to status preferred! However if you wanna play the game just for story mode it's actually completely free. A lot of creators have wrong i fo about the game id they did not play it recently or had at least 300+ hours put into the game.... any game in that matter. However you are right about WoW and SWTOR used to be that way...
SWTOR story is not completely free, you can only play for free until level 60, max level for paying players is 80.
What's the difference between WoW tokens and OSRS bonds?
Nothing
@@pez6905 That's what I thought. He just seems to hate WoW tokens more than OSRS bonds, so im curious why if they are essentially the same thing. Maybe they have a bigger impact on wow than osrs?
Like he said in the video, gear in osrs have requirements like quests or something so that might be the difference, not sure @@bringinthelemon7230
You can enable Ironman Mode when you start OSRS to disable bonds.
@@graymagicgamma7247 and you can just not buy WoW tokens. Literally the same thing. Self imposing a rule doesn’t change the matter of fact.
You know even cosmetic only cash shops are pissing me off. 90% of the time that means that dropped gear looks like shit
I find both the video and the comments really interesting. 10 years ago all of these games would have been considered P2W, but we’ve slowly been conditioned to accept “lesser” forms of P2W as acceptable. We’ve even redefined some of them as “pay for convenience”.
Not stating whether that’s a good or a bad thing. Just noting how easy it’s been to change peoples opinions with nothing more than time 🤔
Ravendawn should be on the list
Saying you cant consider RMT P2W even though its one of the reasons/indicators why the companies started doing this is a weird take. Especially when the number of players (buyers of gold) getting banned is basically non-existent percentage wise. Companies only ban the sellers because you cant ban you customers, right.. right?
GW2 hands down one of the best under rated MMOs.
I Agree no P2W and only people who never played the game will say the opposite.
@@kutiskalabawtv9761 Or they have played it but come up with completely idiotic takes like saying the QoL stuff in the gem store is P2W when it's really REALLY not.
Its brought up constantly
It's not underrated
People just dont like it as much as you think
@@alexartiles9756 Yeah because people like great graphics like korean MMO and they will say P2W.
I wish any of those give me the aesthetics im looking for on a MMORPG but im cursed to love Korean P2W MMORPG looks 💀
Ahhh that nostalgic L2 music❤
Video is always a W when there's Lineage 2 background music.
SWTOR has another level of subscription. Most sub MMOS like ESO, do not allow you to play current content without the sub, basically you are subbed or not. SWTOR in the other hand has a middle grown between bof, whereas you have a lot of restrictions such as races available to create, other than that all the expansions are playable.
For Mortal Online people think it's pay to win because you can buy several accounts and subscriptions and use them to extract, process, and craft weapons armors wich give you an advantage compared to people with one account who must relay on economy and other players to do the same thing.
Love Embers Adrift, but damn I didn't think people would consider this P2W lol.
It disgusts me so much how multiplayer video games turned out to be over the years. 15 years ago I enjoyed playing many of them, most of them if not all were pay to win yeah but I was dreaming about the better future with better gameplay and new content etc. Now after so many years I can only experience more and more disappointment. I can understand it's just an other market and they have to make money and all but the lack of original ideas are suffocating. When I chacking for anything interesting to play I most of the time only find some copy of an other game or some mashup. I don't feel well nowadays as a consumer of games.
Would you ever start a series on osrs with your iron man accounr?
Couldn’t disagree more with ESO being on this list. Speaking as someone who is a 5* Grand Overlord and 3x Former Emperor and had played since launch before quitting, time and time again Zenimax had locked absolutely broken nonsense behind paid expansions such as the Oaken-Soul mythical that was an absolute unit in PvP for 8 months before it was patched locked behind a $30 paywall in a game you’ve already payed for.
Aside from the pay to win, the cosmetics are absolutely predatory in spending over 100 USD on homes with the added option of spending $8 for a couch of $40 for a furnishing pack with a statue.
If I was a console player, this would be a solid option for a game. As a PC player there are options 100x better
One thing I feel gets brushed over with ESO is the fact that in addition to giving you access to DLCs, the sub also supplies you with Crowns, the paid currency every month. You can use those Crowns to buy the DLC you like, then cancel the sub when you have everything you want. It's more of a temporary sub and I feel like that's a very fair and high player value approach. It's like you're getting the DLC on an affordable payment plan instead of having to just buy upfront and makes it so you can try everything before you commit to it
@@garou1911 you’re forgetting that you lose the inventory space when you’re not subbed which makes the game excessively tedious when it comes to inventory management. True you don’t NEED it but it’s extremely convenient to have (of course, since they designed it that way to make you want to stay subbed).
@@matthewmammothswine4395 I mean, that really depends on how invested in crafting you are, because it's only crafting storage you're talking about. If you are it's a thing, but you can frankly ignore crafting and buy things with currency earned in game through runs on the open marketplace and do just fine. Like, it's entirely optional to the experience IMO
In ESO you can buy xp boosts, skill points, skill lines and crafting skill lines.... day one player can max out all crafting skill lines for a couple hundred bucks. Pretty pay to win imo
Peon who from your team was playing lineage 2? Who include l2 music in every video :)
I wouldn't say p2w, but mercenary heroes in guild wars 1 make the entire game an absolute walk in the park
I'll tell you why people was voting "yes, this is pay to win". You should include there "I don't know", because some people just may not know and probbably answers to all questions from the google survey were required... I play lots of MMORPG, but still I don't know about these old classic ones that you included in the survey.
Good video but you made a weird comment. You said that cata is partly pay to win because of the boost but said final fantasy isn't pay to win even tho it also has a boost. Very confusing
ESO is very p2w. Gold selling is against ToS but is widespread due to lack of enforcement by the devs. Top guilds sell end game achievements and gear farms for massive sums of gold and turn around and sell the gold online for cash. And the devs turn a blind eye to the whole system.
As someone who played lots of GW2 over the years i'm a bit 50/50 on whether it's P2W. But in the end i'd say it leans on the "not P2W" side. Mostly because there's no gear progression and it's quite easy to get the best gear anyway.
It's a game where you CAN pay to skip and "win" but it's kinda not worth it since in the end whether you have the best gear or not doesn't matter too much compared to how good you are as a player and the gap between the cheap gear & the "end game" gear is very small to begin with.
RuneScape is most pay to win game. Ever
You can't say "yes you can get boosted with X Y Z but you don't have to do that so it's not P2W". It's P2W if you can progress with money - that is my perspective and Asmongold's perspective too actually, and he laid it our very clearly in multiple videos with evidence :)
I wish you would have added a rating like 1-10 on how much pay to win each game is (granted that would be relatively subjective but would have been nice imo), and I am also curious as to where Dungeons and Dragons Online falls on your list?
Something to note about SWTOR is that it's an old story-only MMO that has a very tacked-on WoW style expansion progression system. You can do, I think, every story in the game through the free mode, although it will take longer and the inventory system will be annoying. In my opinion there's no point going over level 50 in SWTOR, as it's a mindless grindfest for every second after level 50. It was made to be played for the story, then EA killed it when their stocks tanked, and then it got relauched as a sad excuse for a star wars mobile game only available on desktop PC.
any game where paying money alters your character or account or leveling path in a non cosmetic way is pay to win...it's really quite simple.
It's a massive grind but in LOTRO you can theoretically unlock everything without spending a single penny. You'll just need to create multiple characters a few times, do the deeds to earn the LOTRO points and repeat until you have enough to unlock a new area/quest pack/feature.
I really wouldn't say LOTRO's VIP is mandatory/needed. As a free player you get so much content it's really hard to even get through it (or well, almost impossible for someone like me who switches MMOs quite a bit). It's not by main MMO, but I've played about 400 hours so far and never once felt like I even saw the VIP wall on the horizon.
I literally quit eso because to craft any of my sets for PvP I either had to wait 30 days research time on the pieces I wanted or pay someone an extremely large amount of gold to craft for me. Or obviously open my wallet and pay for research time reduction, shame as the game was super enjoyable outside of that factor.
Sorry, but I disagree on guild wars 2 & wow.
You can literally buy gold, buy materials, use them to craft, & bypass the need to gather or farm to level artisan skills.
That is the problem with the term. You can buy everything with ingame currency in GW2, since you can convert it.
Yes but its not p2w. It doesnt grant a player who uses real money an advantage over another
how does that help you win? in pvp your stats are normalized so crafted gear doesnt matter
Thing about P2W is that context is important. Being able to change $$$ into gold in a game like GW2 is hardly P2W imo for some obvious reasons like the gears, stats, levels... being capped. You can't outgear or outlevel people by spending money in the shop unless they're basically a noob. Now take, the same system and put it in BDO that's another story. Even tho I would argue that spending a few hundred bucks to (possibly) "win" 3 damage reduction or 3 evasion isnt the most P2W thing ever either as it would hardly change anything in your day to day life in the game.