$1199 Budget 13.3 Channel A/V Processor Pre/Pro, IT SOUNDS GOOD? Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, Dolby Vision!
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- Опубликовано: 5 мар 2021
- Revealing a brand new budget 16 channel processor to the market. This unit even has Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, HDR 10 and Dolbv Vision. On top of that it actually sounds good.
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Holy cow! One of the most straight forward, highly detailed no BS well put together reviews I've seen, well done sir!
Wow, thanks for the comment. You just made my day, and thanks for watching!
Tonewinner stepping up again along with Summitt Hifi. Pairing this with the Tonewinner amps seems like a home run for people on a budget. Thanks for the review.
Absolutely man. I was quite surprised by this unit for the price, and it looks super solid too. Tonewinner might just be a company not to be reckoned with, if they keep this up.
Glad to hear there is finally a budget processor option. It is very difficult for people to make that transition if they don't have $6000 - $10k to buy a processor and amplification. I am currently Adding amps to my AVR and then later replace it with a processor.
I would be very interested to see a side by side comparison with the Anthem and a Tomewinner kit with this processor and their budget amps. I am thinking they should be in the same general price range and so the comparison would be interesting for a "budget separates vs mid range AVR"
This product makes sense. Its like a good AVR minus the amp. With balanced outputs. Long overdue.
DUDE - that John Wick Scene is also what I use to test out my system, especially my subs :) This processor is pretty good for the wallet! Thank you for making videos like these :)
Love that scene, has great dynamics. Thanks for watching ;)!
👍🏿 looking forward to a full review of the US version. Interested
I am looking forward to your full review.
What a great entry level preamp! Its definitely awesome to see tonewinner thinking of the little guy :)
Right?! I hope more follow suit.
@@SpecOfTech hey Barett, love your content. Do you still have you Anthem Av70? How would you compare the Tonewinner to the XMC-2? The Tonewinner sounds like an overall win against the Marantz Av7706. I like the price point and was wondering if there’s a significant difference in sound against the XMC2. Thanks Barrett
Dang, not a bad price for a pre/pro! Killin it with the videos man, keep crankin em out!
Thanks brother, I am definitely going to keep trying. I am glad to have you back on RUclips, it just wasn't the same ;)...cheers bud.
That is one great looking unit! It’s price tag is awesome. Love the features. I am totally okay with the HDMI 2.0 for my needs. When the North American version becomes available I will be giving it a serious look.
Cool to see other companies getting into this space
Hey Joe, and yes absolutely it is. I hope that this unit is hugely successful, it might open the eyes of those charging much higher prices to re-evaluate their prices, and the budget market.
Great review as always Barrett - becoming very slick with your reviews, informative and enjoyable to watch. If Tonewinner were downunder I'd definitely check them out.
Thanks man, you have been a great inspiration and help along the way. Maybe, we need find a way to ship one to you to check out ;).
@@SpecOfTech I’d love to check out but alas no amps :(
I like your style! Fast talking and straight to the point. 👍👍
Thanks, I appreciate that, thanks for watching.
Looking forward to the more in depth review. One assumes you can select 7.1.6 or 9.1.4. Being budget does it handle the subs like a splitter or is there true independent control? One feature my Marantz SR6012 has that gets overlooked in all reviews is DSD handling. My unit can process the signal from a SACD player over HDMI or via dsf/dff files via USB. Does this or the Anthem handle that as well?
Hey Barrett, I’d like to thank you for this video. I ordered this from Summit HiFi and it got delivered last week. I’ve been tinkering with it and playing with its settings ever since. The AT-300 paired with the AD7300PA amp is like a match made in heaven. My 5.2.4 Atmos setup never sounded this good before. I was actually at awe! With ToneWinner’s introduction of the AT-300 processor, I’m really hoping that this would mark the advent of other brands launching their own budget-friendly pre-amps.
No problem my friend. I am very happy you are enjoying the processor buddy.
@@SpecOfTech Hey Barrett, I'm wondering why the unit that was shipped to me still bears that "PROFESSIONAL PROCESSOR" engraving at the front? I thought TW will get rid of that in their North American version.
@@batchv.7737 I was told they would be getting rid of that, maybe they still had some units made that had that silk screen on them. It should be getting removed though.
@@SpecOfTech Oh ok. Thanks. So those words were just painted. For a while, I thought those words were engraved. Hmmm, I'm thinking about removing it by rubbing it off with cloth soaked with a certain chemical but worried I might damage the surface beneath it or mess up the luster. Anyway, thanks for the info Barrett, I appreciate it.
How are you liking this 10 months in?
Really appreciated this review. My home audio friends have pre/pros by Emotiva or Monoprice which run in the $4k- $5k range. Too much for my blood. This product, however, has peaked my interest.
The Xmc2 is around $3200. I have it and love it!
I like you review equipment that is at the average working mans prices
This does like IOTAVX pre-pro. They are very similiar. But I dont mind, it is awesome that the pre pros gets a pricedrop and is more available for more people
OMG!!! The timing of this video is SOO on point. Still marinating on your optiom.
This thing is pretty slick for $1199, that's for sure.
@@SpecOfTech This is actually what I wanted to spend for my pre pro. Like you said, there is a huge gap in the market for pre pros in the $1k to $1.5k market
Can't wait to here your review
Fantastic!! I can't believe that ToneWinner built a processor like that!! Wickid!, My first thought is the AT 300 with two Tonewinner AD 7300, or two AD 5180 amps .. or a combo of both, for under $5000???? That's a killer setup!! I have 2 TW AD 5180's and they are awesome! There isn't anything out there that can come close to this Tonewinner gear for the price. I am very impressed! So, a person can get into separates, with big power amps, 13 ch, balanced outputs, ect. ALL for the price of a Marantz pre pro???? JEEEZ!!! The only thing that I noticed is the OSD isn't as "polished" as other A/V equipment is, almost primitive. But it is a tool, and really, it just needs to do the correct things. At that price point, its still a "no brainer"!! It looks great, can easily blend into any system and not call attention to its self. I like it!! I am really looking forward to more on this unit, well done my friend!!!!
Hey man, thanks watching. You just might see a package price with some amps in the future ;). Yeah, I agree the OSD is very plain and dated, but it is there and very easy to use. I feel that a lot of audio companies really don't put a whole lot of effort into their OSD's these days. But the more simple they are the better they operate too, so maybe that is why. When I get back home if you want to come check this processor out, feel free.
Hey Buddy, after going through your video for several times, I ordered through Australian website via eBay and it arrived in nice condition, (btw i live in Riyadh Saudi Arabia) I don’t have other choices than importing, moving from matantz 7012 using preout to amp to tonewinner AT-300 is very much step up for me, i have connected to Acurus A2007, my honest opinion tonewinner rocks in this price point, as you mentioned channel separations are pretty much noticeable , got too impressed hence ordered 7300 power amp 😉
Glad to hear that brother. You are absolutely right about the AT-300, for the price it offer amazing performance. You will like the 7300 amplifier, it's a beast, and considering the price it punches above it's weight...cheers.
@@SpecOfTech absolutely loved your review brother for both Pre/pro and Amp, eagerly waiting for the arrival of Beast , also have ordered PSA mtm 210 LCR and 110sr for 7.3.4 later will add another two channel to make it 7.3.6 , I am like a kid waiting for the results after giving exam 🤩, psa will arrive end of this month or first week of nov.
I was wondering if were planning on reviewing/checking out the Tonewinner 5.1.4 home theater in a box since you look at a lot of tonewinner stuff.
Nice review! I think this is the first TW Pre/Pro that supports the immersive formats!
Thanks man. Yeah, this thing is going to be amazing for the budget conscious, it is unreal what they are giving for the price.
@@SpecOfTech I heard that Emotiva was coming out with a budget processor as well
When using the same SVS Ultra speakers, what do I set the high pass and low pass filters to?
Need to get with you on this because this is perfect timing? Curious of comparison of sound difference between using the the xlr's bc rca's. Ie Marantz's xlrgate? Awesome fish hook first interest video as always brother!
And curious about how well the room correction works.
@SpecOfTech --- Are modern receivers and processors have compatibility with older audio formats from DVD, VHS, LD, Beta, etc?
nice! looking forward to your review. this make take my 7704 marantz spot. i want a 13 channel soo this might be my new set up.
This thing is an amazing value.
@@SpecOfTech looking forward to your review as of now there isn't much reviews on it. i saw one post about some discoloring and some problems with the xlr imputs and some other issues. so i cant wait for the review!
I want to hear more about the room calibration and what it does for this unit and how much control you have over what it does. So far seem like a great cheaper way to get into separates.
For better calibration you may need to use REW or MINI DSP units or something like that.
Is the sound quality comparable to that of the AVM 70?
Another quality video, shame the Tonewinner products aren’t available in the UK especially there power amps. Thanks again Barrett.
Thanks for watching brother. Hopefully they will make their products available in the UK in the future.
There is a company in the UK that appears to be selling them: Phoenix Projectors - AV
@@iancalderbank7368 Thanks Ian
TW makes an immersive processor under a different name for the European market. They make various OEM products for others. It's basically the AT-300 with four XLR sub outs.
The John Wick scene was shaking my phone with BaSs. 😜😅🤣 I can't how much they inflated the prices since you've shown videos. Over $500 dollars each product American. Crazy. At those extra boosted prices I think of Emotiva.
Thank you for the video! Honest opinion based on what you know, this or the Marantz 7705/7706? Thanks again!
lol, I knew I would get these questions, but that is so hard to answer. If budget is your most important factor, the Tonewinner is a top contender right now, based on what I have experienced so far. Of course, it does not have the feature set of the Marantz units, it also doesn't have Audyssey. It really would depend on how important budget is to you. If budget is super important, you would be silly not to give this Tonewinner a try.
@@SpecOfTech that makes sense , thanks again and keep up the great content!
@@imhighonlife9075 Thanks for the support brother...cheers!
Just ordered myself one of these gems
How have you enjoyed it this far?
Sound wise, what's lacking compared to the higher priced processors? Is it worth the extra money for the more expensive ones (sound wise)?
Well, if you have the money to spare and a noticeable, but not monumental step up in sound quality matters to you, then you would be better served with a more expensive unit. The higher priced processors do offer a little more clarity and channel separation, but the At300 did really well in this category as well.
I know a $1199 is considered "super budget" on this segment, but I still hope someday even more budget preamps become available. What I mean is to provide the same preamp embbeded on $600 AVR in a separate box for something like 300 or so. This could solve some problems like having a working old AVR with perfect amps, but no things such atmos, bluetooth or 4k so you have to replace the entire unit to get the hot stuff. Also I seen lots of AVR bricked because of failing HDMI inputs.
If be interested to see how the eARC works. HDR10+ support? I saw there is a multichannel in, can it do a full ADC for room correction? What type of room correction- in house? How exact is the adjustability of speakers (ft/in, crossover hz, db)? Can it decode legacy formats from say a DVD-ES/EX? Upmixing formats? Can you turn HDMI out off? Subwoofers in parallel or independent?
Yes Hdr10+ works and you get very useful parametric eq, 11 for fronts and 7 for remaining channels. Does the job. Dtsx pro upmixer works only with dts source but at least it fills all 13 channels and sounds much better than the dtsx neural x before we had pro. Dolby upmixer only 11 channels, native atmos 13 channels. Subs parallel but independent volume that's all. Crossover fancy 5hz steps and also slope 12 or 24db. We are still working on the firmware with the engineer, making progress but funtionalty is not on par with marantz denon yet. Unit sounds great and has potential. Hang tight 😊
@@RalphMoon wow awesome that’s more than I thought but really shows the adjustability! Thanks for the response!
Here is a good question. With how better channel seperation is with a pre amp like marantz pre pro compared to a avr marantz, how does this tonewinner compare in terms of sound and channel seperation ?
The AT-300 may actually sound better overall to a Marantz as it doesn't have the poorly measured op-amp section of a Marantz model. Some equate the ToneWinner sound favorably to a Denon. You are going to get superior channel separation with a quality power amp, but you are also going to gain greater power and dynamic headroom over any receiver. The very best infinite separation is when you use one monoblock amp per speaker, though that can get pricey.
Apparently it uses same adsp 21673 processor as in the denon 8500
How does the sound compare to a Denon or Marantz.
I guess the killer question is how does the sound quality compare to the AVM70? I know it doesn't have the features of the Anthem but if the sound quality is close to the Anthem then its got to be worth it at 1/3rd of the price in the UK (and its not like I need the two 2 extra surround channels).
I will most likely be doing a comparison between them, so stay tuned.
Re: only 1 XLR for subs. Most commercial quality active subs and pro level amps have XLR in with passthrough to XLR out. So it is easy to daisy chain pro level subs even though the processor only has 1 XLR sub output.
Is it worth to spend 1200 than using an avr like marantz sr8015?
Curious to see if the room correction software is any good.
It's okay, maybe on par with Audyssey. Some have had better luck using REW software and a compatible mic. Then manually plug the data into the AT-300.
What is the signal-to-noise DB? Also does it have any upmixing?
Neural: X and Dolby Surround upmixing is included. It uses the same DSP chip as the Marantz 8805, so it could potentially have DTS: X Pro added.
It's cool I mean I had the Onkyo processor I bought it directly from them and it just something wasn't right about it I don't know if it was open before messed with so I returned it and never replaced it just have a whole in my HiFi cabinet because I want a sound processor but this one seems really cool but I think you can almost buy it the flagship Onkyo yes I know it has amplifiers built into it but this has no 8K upscaling
Are all 3 SUB outs independently EQ'd? (Delay/distance/levels etc)? If yes thats a HUGE + even VS the more expensive Marantz
Only levels that's all
Where do I sign up...
I just bought the AT-300 and planning to build a 7.2.4. The question is: can I hook the AT-300 to the EXT IN of my Denon 4308 to take advantage of the 7x channels amp already present? This way I would only need to get/buy the amp for the remaining 4x heights. Thank you!
Sorry, it has been a long time since I have used the Denon. I think to get the most accurate information this question would be best suited for the Denon Technical support team.
As active speakers become more common in the consumer market, we should begin see more processors coming to the market place
Let's hope so!
Can you do a side by side with this budjet processor against the AVM70, scene by scene recording like what you did with the AVM70 v Marantz ?
I just might be doing that, stay tuned on the channel.
@@SpecOfTech I'm ringing the bell on this review!
Can you run active studio monitors with the xlr connection using the tonewinner at-300?
Assuming your active monitors have an XLR input, you absolutely could do that.
Are there any processors out there that have Dolby Atmos for headphones? I live in an apt and can’t have speakers do to noise restrictions. Wish there was something that could decode movie formats that I could plug my favorite audiophile headphones to and listen to movies late night.
I am not sure about any processor that is capable of that, sorry. But, you could get the Xbox one X and do that. The Xbox One does play 4k Blu Ray and will stream anything you could possible want to stream, and it is capable of Dolby for Headphones.
Do you know if the 2 subwoofer connections are independent of each other?
It has 3 via RCA but only separate level control nothing else
Hey Barrett, I think I read somewhere that the factory where these Tonewinner products are made is also the same people who make the emotiva products. Is that correct?
Yes, to my knowledge Tonewinner does currently make components for Emotiva.
I’m new to this, do you need to connect an amplifier to the tonewinner or can I connected to monitor studio speakers?
Hey Billy. The this is a processor only, so it does not have built in amplification. You would need to use external amplifiers or powered monitors/speakers with the AT-300.
I want this. Outlaw Audio should have made this.
Hey get a outlaw audio 976 balanced receiver at 1100$ total I know that it's only 8 channels but it is balanced with a 10band parametric equalizer per channel plus even more features at the time I think it was mostly the cost for the spec that got my attention an so far I've been very pleased with one caviot the parametric equalizer for room correction is hell to setup, an as of now I've yet to see a solid RUclips video review of this unit let alone a comparison an till now I haven't seen any other units at the near same price range till the summit which has me definitely interested but I'd like to see a side by side review besides the obvious extra channels, like crossovers controls and sub trims which on my outlaw with the parametric equalizer an the high and low shelfs made my sub calibration a God send for my diy subs so I'd really like to see you do a side by side review of them both please
*and 😉
Supposedly, the new batch of Tone Winner AT-300 pre-amps for the U.S. has different DAC's included. Better performance? That I'm not sure of.
Interesting, I will have to look into that.
What LCR are those, sorry if its being mentioned alredy. tq
No worries man, they are SVS Ultra Towers.
Hai I live in India any idea how I can get my hands on one of these and what will be the approximate price in Indian rupees?
That would be a question for Summit Hifi. Maybe he could ship one to you, I don't know.
I heard Tonewinner makes Emotivas internal parts, is this correct?
Yes Tonewinner is a large manufacturer and they do make Emotiva to my knowledge.
......what computer program communicates via RS232 with the processor ?
I'm sorry I don't have experience with that.
@@SpecOfTech Maybe someone reading the comments will know what kind of computer program it is that can control the Dolby processor?
Hi noticed it has 01 trigger out put. So how to connect to 02 tonewinner power amp like the tonewinner 7300 which has only 01 input each.
You could try and get a y splitter so that it could send the signal to both.
@@SpecOfTech tq will try soon and see if it works.
You had this for a while, can you post anything about it? How is the room correction?
Review releasing tomorrow :).
Great review. When doing these reviews…please take the top off so we can see the innards. Thanks
How does this compare against an AVM 60 by anthem?
That would be tough for me to say, I have never heard the AVM60. I do have the AVM70, and this unit isn't quite as good, but considering the price of the AT300 it held its own. But if you are wondering what unit sounds better, it is the AVM70, but it is also over 2 times the cost. For the price, I don't think the AT300 can be beat.
Can the processor also use DTS X Pro? Can he make a 7.1.6 out of any stereo or 5.1 source?
There is no mention of DTS:X Pro in the specs. There is upmixing, but I have not had time to test that yet, or get detailed info on it. I will try to cover that in the review...cheers.
Dtsma and dts signals are up mixed via neural x to all channels, I'm running 9.1.4 every channel has a different signal and it's impressive, a step up from regular upmixer that was limited to 11 channels
It has the potential of having DTS: X Pro added. Its DSP chip is compatible. ToneWinner is looking into it.
I know it one year ago with the pre pro 300 is it sounds better Denon 3700H or the same experience sound as Denon 3700H ?
The AT300 did sound better than my AVRX4400. At the time I remember the at300 being close in sound to the Marantz av7706, not quite there, but close.
Thank you it would be a up grade in sound from Denon 3700H what you said ? and now I got to decide. Cheers
This is crazy tonewinner is going to put alot of pressure on emotiva and monolith is it true that a speaker line is coming also if it can keep these prices at this point and the quality is on point I got two words for the competition GAME OVER
They are definitely making a statement. Even IF this thing didn't have room calibration it would be a steal. I can't wait to spend some time with the official American release.
@@SpecOfTech I have the marantz av7704 I wanted 2 more atmos channels but didn't want to spend 3 grand or more on a new processor but this changes everything if the quality is on point
Hi Barrett, I really would like your honest opinion, on this AT-300? Would this be something you would keep for 2 to 5 years and be happy with it? I would want the Anthem avm70, but at almost $4000.00, it's a big jump. Please let let me know very soon as I would like to get one.
To put it simply the AVM70 does sound better and does have a world class room correction software. That being said the sound from the AT300 is amazing for its price. I know there are a lot of happy customers who purchased the AT300 because it is a great value. If room correction software is really important to you then I would say go with the AVM70, but if you want great sound for an amazing price, the AT300 is the best budget processor out there IMO. The AT300 sound I would say was on par with the Marantz AV7706 which is much more money. Whatever you decide consider using my links, it really helps out the channel...cheers.
@@SpecOfTech Thank U Barrett, for your reply. I went with the Anthem avm70. I know that in my mind I was always was going to think? Did I make the right choice. Now this will be a one time purchase with the Anthem only. It should be here on Monday.
Something like this would be amazing to pair with more expensive capable amps to sweeten the sound quality further.
I am just glad the budget processor market is getting some love haha.
@@SpecOfTech - Absolutely. I feel like this area of the market deserves some love as plenty of people want to have a great experience but have NO need for 4 different formats and a plethora of 16 channels.. At a reasonable price and very decent quality .. this allows more people to GO to separate sound.. spend more on each amp and better speakers than investing $$thousands on 1 item. Kudos man ..! Great video/product showcase !!
@@Psyphonyx_Life Thanks brother, and I 100% agree, this makes achieving a higher quality of sound with separates much more within reach.
So this means no audio correction?
It does have room calibration software built in.
Do you know if the north American version will support dts x pro? One would think that it would since it processes 13 channels.
I can't say for sure, but the information I received, made no mention of DTS:X Pro. Licensing for those features cost money, and this already comes with some great codecs for its budget price. Keep in mind that Dolby Atmos can still take advantage of 13 channels.
@@SpecOfTech agreed... What about Dolby surround and neural x, does it have those?
@@tonsoguns420 Yes, Dolby Atmos and DTS:X will be backwards compatible to their earlier surround codecs.
Dtsma dtsx and dts signals are upmixed to 13 individual signals via neural x so it's a step up from previous 11 channel limitation dts neural x had and it sounds fantastic as 9.1.4
ToneWinner is now looking at trying to add DTS:X Pro.
Does it matter if u use rca or xlr , does it affect the sound at all ?
No it shouldn't. The main reason to use XLR's is on long runs, because they are grounded they don't pick up interference like an RCA would. For shorter runs it really doesn't matter.
@@SpecOfTech that’s good to know cheers and also what’s your opinion of going from a marantz avr 5014 to this processor , I already have power amps using the rcas from the avr for all speakers
Are they using a "name brand" room correction software?
Tonewinner proprietary room cal.
I would love to see the Outlaw Model 976 in for review.
Maybe one day I can get my hands on one.
Isn't the 976 long in the tooth? It's a great processor, but it doesn't have Atmos or DTS-X. Now if a person doesn't have a need for those...Yes, I can see it being reviewed because they did do a 4k model if I'm not mistaken.
@@Prerich45 From what I know from Outlaw, it was never intended to have Atmos and DTS-X encoding as it was being targeted to a more minimalist setup.
It almost looks like ToneWinner makes the 976 for Outlaw. Very similar case and layout.
@@dan_hitchman007 I noticed that Outlaw no longer has their pre/pro listed.
By any chance do you know if this unit got 3-D passed through capabilities because I haven’t seen anything on the spec if you can respond to me I’ll be greatly appreciate it
I confirmed with Tonewinner, it does have 3D passthrough.
@@SpecOfTech Tanks For the info👍
It's the size of the old Emotiva UMC-1 , and the OSD looks very similar. No secret since ToneWinner does fabricate for Emotiva.
Does this unit support Auro 3d?
No I don't believe it does, at least it didn't when I reviewed it.
How does this unit compare to the AVM70 ? Do you feel it is better or worse ? Thnx for the review mate
I can't answer that just yet. I haven't had enough time with it to give and educated opinion on that. We also have to keep in mind that is is less than half the price of the Anthem AVM70 though.
@@SpecOfTech that's why it would be really good to get your opinion on that. Because I got two Tonewinner 7300PA amps based on your review. Now I wanna know if I should still go ahead and get the AVM90 :) because in the UK the AVM90 have been delayed till September 2021 sadly !!
@@SpecOfTech you make a good point Barrett. It would be unfair to expect the same feature set and performance. I think for budget conscious buyers they are wondering how much of the 7706 do I get? 70%? 80%?
A better comparison may be to 9 channel AVRs that have a preamp mode (Denon X3600H and newer, Marantz SR6013 and newer)
@@theo610 I wish I could answer that, sorry, but it's just too soon for me to be making any sort of statement on that. I need to wait for the official North American version and do some comparisons. But, I must admit this thing does sound pretty fantastic, with even just the basic settings in place.
@@justplainlawr yep that would be a fair comparison as well. It would be nice to get an objective verdict. Considering the other AVR's are much more established. I wasn't worried about getting two Tonewinner Amps but I very much doubt I would go for this junk processor. I have a feeling the interface would suck balls. Also I would guess no update, costumer service or HDMI 2.1. So I am getting the Denon 3700 for now but AVM90 in the summer.
Should I hold off on getting the marantz av7706?
That would be up to you lol. I haven't compared this to the 7706, I don't have enough information to recommend one over the other. What I can say, is if you are interested and this unit is a possibility for you, then don't rush into something else.
@@SpecOfTech where did u get the price from? I got a lot higher price from summit hifi. I spoke directly to Aamir
@@JPFullThrottle The prices I gave came directly from Aamir at the time of my video.
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Is this gonna do the 4k-120fps from my Xbox Series X?
No, its only HDMI 2.0 it will only do 4K/60.
@@SpecOfTech Thank you.
It should be sent to Amir at audio science research!
Are a lot of folks in the market for a budget pre/pro also owners of amps with XLR inputs?
🤷♂️ We'll find out, I guess. I would say the budget segment is the one that is neglected the most for Preamps though.
I don’t know if there is many. But me for example, i was considering buying Denon 3700 so i can have pre outs and can pair it with some external amps. If this is same price and have more channels, i would probably go full separates.
Outlaw Audio and Monoprice sell "budget" amp models with XLR inputs.
Where is this preamp made? Very interested in this unit since I'm looking for a new unit to replace my prehdmi yamaha 😳🤣
All 3 of the units are made in China, this includes Anthem and Marantz
jctai100 is right, this unit is made in China.
Thanks for the info
Do you think there is any chance it will get Auro 3D on a future update?
Sorry I am not sure on that. There is no plan for it as far as I know.
Doubtful
No plans for Auro3D, but ToneWinner is looking at DTS: X Pro.
@@dan_hitchman007 In my opinion, NOTHING comes close to Auro as an upmixer. For that reason alone, all manufactures should be including it....shame.
@@djdac7451 Auro's upmixer is called Auromatic. You cannot upmix a channel based track to an immersive format. The issue with the Auromatic upmixer is that it does not matrix extract or steer sounds like Dolby Surround or DTS Neural: X. What happens is that the lower speaker information is duplicated in the upper speakers with reverb and a delay added. It's more like All Channel Stereo mode than a real upmixer.
About time. I've always wondered. Ok you can buy an avr for $ 400 and it has 7.2 and supposed 100 watts per channel but you can't touch a pre amp for under $2500. Why. Doesn't even have amplifiers. Yet cost 5x as much.
Right!? I am really excited about what this unit, and how it will effect the audio/HT market in the future. I feel it is a step in the right direction for consumers.
@@SpecOfTech I think most of your viewers can agree we would all like separates but cost is an issue. When you can buy amplifiers a lot cheaper than pre amp there's an issue. Again, how can any main company like marantz, denon, yamaha, to name a few. Say it cost that much when a budget receiver has everything for under $400. Atmos etc decoders, power, Wi-Fi, HDMI, speakers terminals and even a calibration mic. Here's to hoping that more companies follow and also lower amplifier cost. Your always going to have your ultra premium like speakers do but there should be better budget choices and you'll have more interested in audio video again!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I find it hilarious this being more fleshed out and ready to go than Anthem's at 3X the price.
The folks OEM for a bunch of major names in the USA.
I wonder how this would compare to say a Denon X3700h with the pre-amp mode that disables all the amplifier channels for better S/N. Obviously missing XLR and only 11.2 channels instead of 13.3 but would be interesting. Also is it actually 3 channels or is it just 1 that's split out 3 ways which is why it only has 1 sub XLR?
Like most any product with multiple sub outs, it's the single LFE channel plus bass managed low frequency info split three ways with separate volume trim and delay settings.
@@dan_hitchman007 actually most products are a single channel with 1 trim and 1 delay even if they have 2 pre-outs hence my curiosity with this. Good to know they're independent.
@@TylerStout Yes, the three sub outs on the AT-300 are independently adjustable.
Curious how it compares to Denon x6700h. Tempting to just get AVR. And possibly expand with tone winner 7 channel amp in the future.
There's a few other sound processors that have all this available so I don't understand where he's talking about that like this is unheard of it's great product but yeah
It is unheard of at this price point 😉. This was the least expensive 13.3 channel processor offering ATMOS at the time of the video.
This company needs to step it up though because of certain AV receivers you can turn off the preamps and this company doesn't have all the new video codecs so yeah it doesn't even have 4K 120 don't get me wrong I'm a fanboy of processors preamplifiers but yeah and who knows how good their room EQ is I find it weird no one ever talks about that on all these pre amp processors
@@SpecOfTech I get what you're saying though most people don't need 4K 120 and I think these companies could if they would have to pay all the licensing from all these different codecs they could everyone be making sound processors but yeah I get what you're saying
Wow this vs the Denon AVR-3700H that I have on back order...
Well, that depends if you need built in amplification or not. Sound wise, I would GUESS the Tonewinner would be better. But, I have not heard the 3700 or compared them.
@@SpecOfTech at the very least. Brand new in box pre-pro going for less than years old pre-pros on the used market. It's intriguing from all angles bro.
@@baohoaily Absolutely, I 100% agree. I am very excited for this product and what it could do for the consumers. I hope that this unit does REALLY well and some other manufacturers follow suit.
@@SpecOfTech ask Amir if Tonewinner is going to launch a 'lower-end' amp. Similar to OSD, and Outlaw 5000x and 7000x series. =). Might be a market because the prestige brands in the same performance envelope still charge out the yahoo for them.
@@baohoaily All I will say is stay tuned on the channel...you may get your wish ;)!
😆 lol! Seeing that amp blurred out in the back like there's a naked lady laying in background!!!
lol don't look at her naughty parts until they're revealed!
@@SpecOfTech aaaahahaaaha!! Lol 😆
Wow they just need to add Dirac and this thing would sell like hot cakes!!
The price would get jacked up in the process and its place in the market would be diminished.
Been looking for something even cheaper (7.2.2?). Something like an Anthem mrx 720 with no amps. No need for phono, XLR's or wifi either. Used Anthem 520/570/710's are rare and stupid expensive. I think I'd rather a used Yamaha CXA 5100 than this unit at this price.
My walls were shaking on demo. 😷😛
lol, see how good the bass is in the AT-300. What subs are you running?
@@SpecOfTech I'm not as fortunate as you but it's better than nothing. I don't want to bum you or anyone else with my situation but I do have an old velodyne 18 I use. Sounds good. I also have an hgs velodyne 12 that I thought about adding for more bass.
@@donjaun540 Hey man, we all have different situations and budgets. Haha, you aren't bumming anybody out brother. Velodyne makes some fantastic subwoofers, nothing wrong with those at all man. I bet they sound great.
@@SpecOfTech Yes. They still sound great.
The info came a little late for me as I just recently purchased the 7706. Tonewinner seems to be making a heavy push in the US market. They're not fooling around at all!!!!!
I had the Denon 4700, then the 7706 which was definitely a step up in sound than the Denon. I then ordered an XMC-2 and after comparing them all for a month, the XMC-2 took the cake. The sound after running dirac is incredible and sounds like a real cinema.
@@raymondayala5355was the 4700 in pre-amp mode? I heard they have the same DACs so wouldn’t the sound quality be similar if the 4700 was in pre amp mode?
@@satii24 I definitely had it in pre amp mode. The Marantz 7706 sounded cleaner and sound separation was way better but the XMC-2 beat them both by miles.
I had it connected to 2 Emotiva DR3 AMPs
Wow I'm impressed nothing on the market offers all this for the price. I will say they should have included 2 XLR for subs or just do 3 rca. I don't get the 3 sub connection most go with 2 or 4 subs 3 sounds weird to me maybe I'll understand that in a later video. As far as room correction I'm very curious to see what they use since the mic looks high quality like Anthem I hope they didn't cut corners as it's the most important features on pre pro. I'm very excited to see the final version this is by far the most aggressive price for a 13 ch pre pro with pretty much all the mainstream features. The look of it makes me think of Integra products. Tonewinner are on a great path since last year and they will sell like hot cakes at this price. I hope they hit the market without any issues because the first impression can make or break newish companies.
Aamir most be happy I've been seeing so many tone winner amps all over forums and groups with overall great comments.
Do you know if the pricing is only limited time for launch or this is to be expected moving forward?
Yeah I found the 3 subwoofer thing a little odd as well, but then I saw that Emotiva XMC-2 and Monolith HTP-1 have 3 subwoofer outputs. I guess Tonewinner may have just wanted to "keep up with the Jones's". I do like what Tonewinner and Summit Hifi are doing, they really want to provide great products to the budget conscious. I am looking forward to playing with the Room calibration when I get home. There is an update I need to install first, glad to see they offer updates quickly so far.
@@SpecOfTech thats great. Does room correction have a name or its still on the down low for now? Sadly on the website there's no info just coming soon :)
@@taxi615 No sorry man, no name as of yet, at least not one that anyone has told me. I just know that Tonewinner designed it.
@@SpecOfTech fair enough. If they have a Anthem type or Dirac type correction and it accurate it would be a winner...see what I did there lol
@@taxi615 lol, it would be winning at tones ;P. I was picking up what you were putting down lol.
This sounds more like a sales pitch or commercial than it does a review...
What I really want to see is a $1000 11.2 AVR.
Your wish is my command...stay tuned on the channel ;P...it's coming!
@@SpecOfTech Can't wait!