I originally put together a compilation of all of Jennifer's scenes, but RUclips blocked it, so here's just her scenes with Mariner. #StarTrek #LowerDecks
This whole show in general seems to have a thing for giving very Earthly, human-sounding names to alien characters - an Andorian named Jennifer, a Trill named Barnes, a Tellarite named Durango…
I think some officers take human names that sound as close as possible to their real names as to fit in. If your name is just a series of throaty gargles and your instructor is an impatient A hole you might consider Jennifer
@@mastermonarch or they might be from a predominantly earth colony where their family has lived for generations. It's not uncommon for people to adopt the names of a culture they integrated into.
They could be mixed- and their alien DNA could just be dominant as far as appearances go, that could be case for Jennifer and Barnes. In Season One I think Barnes said her dad was a cyborg when talking to Rutherford, so her Dad could be a cybernetically enhanced human and her mother could be a Trill, hence how she got the last name Barnes (it’s jerk Dads last name), but she looks like a Trill.
For something that originated from an improv line, Im so glad LD is rolling with it and making Jennifer the Andorian a fleshed out and B-tier character.
"I know we're not supposed to have interpersonal conflicts-" Is that a jab at Gene insisting that there is none of that in the first season of Next Gen?
Gene had this idea that people would improve with experience and learning, and rise above all the cr*p that blights so many lives. Enormous numbers of people do not believe this is possible, preferring all the cr*p that blights so many lives. It's really odd to me.
The founding ideals of Gene-era Star Trek are professionalism and putting your personal misgivings beneath the shared mission. These are ideas which postmodern Star Trek - really, all of postmodern society - seems to find unappealing. In their defense, "shared mission" is the very idea that the postmodern world is disillusioned with; after all, even our military, which should embody that idea above all and is where Gene likely fostered his convictions, now suffers a crisis of faith and purpose - does the ideal of "shared mission" _really_ merit your blood, sweat, and tears when the culmination of that mission was losing _another_ war in some faraway land?
Lower Decks has been turend out such a great addition to the Star Trek universe, im so glad they created thie series and Jennifer is the first Andorian who looks really cute.
@@dragonrider1736 You got me to skip frame by frame through the first scene, and now I noticed that the background has twice the framerate than the characters. Very interesting, you'd never be able to tell at full speed.
@@anlumo1 the background is probably 3D/CGI (they probably have several ship corridors and interiors rendered , then its easier to just pick an angle and draw more detail to clean it ..its what Space battleship Yamato 2199 did for example) while the characters are 2D drawn.. so it makes sense as its harder to animate 2D that CGI
I don't see people talking about it but notice when she said that that her eyes were going up and down over Mariner? Jennifer was definitely checking her out.
Much as I loved these two together, I don't think Mariner will be quick to forgive Jennifer for not believing her about the news report. Everyone on that ship needs to apologize to her, frankly.
Here's what Mike Mcmahan said In the third season, [Mariner] and Jennifer are seeing each other and there are stories we tell about that. What I would say is it’s not easy to date Mariner, and this show really is not about Mariner’s romantic relationships. It’s about how she sees herself, and how she treats friends and colleagues more than romantic partners. So, it was important to me-from the point of view of Star Trek, having these people in your life and seeing where these stories go. Mariner’s sexuality to me has always been… she seems like the kind of character who can run into a villain and awkwardly Mariner had dated him or her before. Those are the kinds of stories I really get excited about. With Mariner, there’s these historical sort of things you see with her, so… you will see Mariner and Jennifer dating, and see how that affects her, but really the tectonic shift that’s going into [Mariner’s arc in season three] is, right when she opened herself up and everything was going great, it all gets taken away from her. How does that affect somebody who doesn’t like it when people leave her or are taken away?
Now I'm imagining something like this. Villain: "Tremble before the might of-" Freeman: "You again?" Ransom: "You've met them?" Freeman: "Yeah, Mariner brought them home for dinner once. Apparently she has an 'I can make them even worse' fetish." Villain: "Wait, THAT'S what she was doing?"
there's another scene before all of this. in ep2, everyone is laughing hard about Boimler's Ferengi story but Jennifer mostly just smirks and doesn't completely buy it. she then smiles at Mariner as she's leaving.
Makes me wonder how long they were planning this for. Edit: Actually, watching the scene in question, she is laughing with everyone else, and looks like she's smirking as Mariner leaves. Maybe they weren't planning *that* far ahead.
@@axelalonsogarcia5382 I mean, Mariner was confirmed pan in the girl's trip episode, and Jennifer was pretty flirty in that last scene so the ship is pretty obvious.
I love the irony of how earlier Treks (TOS & ENT) kinda established Andorians as the badass warriors of the Federation (at least as compared to say, Humans), but here Beckett seems more "Andorian-like" than Jennifer. Also----has anyone else noticed Jennifer's space suit helmet has antennae knobs?? LOL
It's the Cerritos. We have an Orion medic, a Bajoran heavy, Housecat M.D. - And the two most competent people on the ship are _humans._ _Nobody_ on that boat is using their natural advantages. A reserved Andorian is the least weird.
The helmet thing is a sweet detail, but also in keeping with the Star Trek canon. The Andorians lose their balance, if something happens to their antennae.
This would be an excellent pairing. Since Tendi and Rutherford are definitely going to be an item, Boimler and Mariner need love interests outside the core group. Having all 4 of them pairing off with each other would be cliche and boring...
Well, they might pull a twist and not have Tendi and Rutherford be a couple. But if Mariner is going to have a love interest outside the core group I would be hoping it would be T'Lyn.
@@HaydrogenBomb I could see them going that way, if they wanted to keep them BFs. But then again I thought they would pair Mariner with T'Lyn so what do I know.
I agree. It’s actually pretty rare to see the two central protagonists of a show not get together if their male and female. This would make for a refreshing change of pace.
After the last two episodes of Season 3, Mariner has basically ignored Jennifer's entire existence for the entirety of Season 4. And it's kinda hard to blame her for that.
According to an interview with Mike McMahan, Mariner and Jennifer *are* gonna be in a relationship in S3, with all the trials and tribulations that brings. I'm curious if this'll be a long term thing - where Mariner needs to learn to let people in - or if it'll only last for the season before they break up. Only time will tell - I'm excited though!
Some of their interactions make me think they've got a "we broke up but I'm still into you" vibe. I'd enjoy a twist of the third season including a look at them having a past relationship that didn't quite work out, maybe contrasted by a second try now that Mariner's grown and faced her issues. But I am a little sad that we're losing that relatable "random coworker you just don't like" for more of a relationship tone.
@@BlueSmoke216 eh, I could take it or leave it. I think it's much more interesting to see how Mariner has changed and grown over time, and how her relationships have changed with her
Starfleet is supposed to be accommodating for all species in the Federation, so Andorian-specific gear for Andorians is not out of the question. Cetatian ops plus other cetatian accommodations is another example.
Note of course that during I, Excretus, the *one* part of the simulation Mariner expresses genuine interest in is the part where Jennifer's nude and clearly shown to be into women.
@@Pentarax ~ As *[@Moonlite Brite]* pointed out, it has been _'Alpha'_ Canon confirmed (by the ST:LD writers, by Tawny Newsome, and on-screen) that Mariner is pan-sexual; not just "bi-", given the very diverse nature of the ST-'verse ([Mariner]: _"Oh I'm _*_always_*_ dating Bad Boys...Bad Girls, Bad gender non-binary babes, ruthless alien masterminds, Bad Bynars...")._ As for the 'Naked Now' holo-scenario (0:40), also take into account that Mariner has stated (twice) that Mariner thinks Barnes is "crazy hot", so that was another allure/temptation for Mariner (in addition to Jennifer).
@@Alkonium ~ Broadly speaking for/in Reality, I do not disagree with you. *;)* But as a friendly (ST-based) counter-point, _'bi-sexual'_ exclusion would be applicable since the ST-'verse does contain racially-physical non-binary genders, androgynous, and asexual races/species; rather than semantic &/or self-identifying non-binary. So _'pan-sexual'_ would be more appropriate and accurate through the ST-lens. Or, to draw upon the Doctor Who character of Captain Jack Harness (John Barrowman), Mariner may be _'omni'-sexual'._ *;)*
I'm surprised to see so many Mariner/Jennifer shippers, as opposed to Mariner/T'Lyn shippers. Considering that T'Lyn seems to have a lot in common with Mariner while we still know very little about Jennifer other than she saved Mariner's life.
@@mikemorro140 I think Mariner/Jennifer started out as a running gag. But now they seem to have decided to go with "two girls who hate each other secretly want to hook up" angle.
Honestly same. I'd love a few episodes in s3 where one or two of the Core 4 are busy elsewhere and so one of the supporting characters like Jennifer or Barnes gets swapped in. Just something small to shake it up, yknow?
@@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123 I wouldn’t be surprised if we did tbh. Introducing new supporting characters that are well received is always gold for shows as far as the writers might be concerned. More options for stories to be explored. …or this is just cope-ium lol
Fun fact: In Beta Cannon, Andorians have 4 genders, Two masculine genders, Chan and Thaan (Shran was a Thaan) And 2 feminine genders, Zhen and Shen, I wonder if Jen is a Shen or a Zhen?
Beta canon also has gender prefixes attached to surnames, so Jennifer's surname of "sh'Reyan" (as listed in a background shot in 208) suggests she's a shen.
did they ever get into specifics about what the differences were exactly? because I can recall a few species in fiction having multiple sexes like that but I can't recall if they ever really went into detail about how they differentiated. Alien Nation was probably the closest that did.
@@Igarappappa shen provides the egg that gets fertilized by one of the male sexes (either "one or the other" or "one of them specifically", wiki is vague, but says you need all four for reproduction) and transferred to the zhen, who brings it to term.
So apparently Mariner Fantasizes about Jen as revealed in the most recent Lower Decks Episode. So you think they might actually get together by the end of Season 3? I’d Ship it, or Cerritos it! B3
Apparently they're dating now. I hope they don't screw it up; Beckett needs more stable, supportive, and positive relationships (including romantic). Like her parents come across as maybe meaning well, but being the kind of parents who continually demand their child get straight As and master the violin. Which explains a lot of Mariner's behavior when you think about it.
Hear that supposedly Beckett is gonna end up a pairing with Jennifer which I think would honestly be quite a fun idea. Normally with four-character ensembles they get evenly paired up male-to-female so it'd be a fun twist if it goes a different way here.
A Boilmer and Mariner relationship remains my absolute favorite. But it will definitely be very interesting to see what happens next with the Mariner and Jennifer. It doesn't matter what happens to the two of them.
I think Boimler and Mariner will get together in the end, but they will have lots of other relationships along the way. I'm hoping that Boimler and T'Lyn will have a relationship in Season 4. That should be interesting as Boimler is the human who is structured and logical and T'Lyn is the vulcan who is spontaneous and instinct-driven.
@@joeschembrie9450 It would be great if the two really ended up becoming a couple. The makers have ruled that out so far. Of course it could just be a trick. We'll see how the two of them continue.
I wonder in the upcoming Star Trek Lower Deck if Jennifer will make amend with Mariner since she's the one who broke up their relationship after the misunderstanding during Mariner's unauthorized interview with Victoria Nuzé because at the end of the Season 3 finale she didn't come to Mariner and apologizes unless Jennifer is very a shame of herself while feeling guilty for wrongly accuse Mariner for something that she didn't do.
If that happens it would be hard to tell who she jealous of, is she jealous of Jennifer being with Boimler or is she jealous of Boimler being with Jennifer. Maybe Mariner is openly in love with Jennifer but has a hidden longing/soft spot for Boimler.
@@deathking1019 I highly doubt that would happen. Marvel are sort of doing it with Cyclops/Wolverine/Jean Grey with mixed feedback. So I don't think we're there quite yet.
by all Measure Laurin did a very good job with her Voice work, I am very glad I can pick out most of the people by there voice, its fun knowing who has worked on the show !!
I was hoping that Mariner and Boimler would end up together, but I'm really starting to like Jennifer. It might be interesting to see her and Marinner together. Truth be told, I still hope for her and Boimler to become an item, but I can get behind Marinner and Jennifer. Heck, maybe they could use the Marinner, Jennifer relationship to emphasise romantic tensions between Marinner and Boimler, perhaps with him being jealous of how much time Marinner spends with Jennifer
I'm rooting for Mariner and Boimler, too, but I love organic relationships. Unanticipated ships that just work are awesome, and if the series ends with Mariner/Jennifer, and it clicks, I'll be just as happy with it.
One thing that I never thought lower decks would do is make the manual flight stick thing from Insurrection make sense with it being on starfleet ships
I'm embarrassed that I didn't recognize Lauren Lapkus' voice immediately. Also continuing the weird trend of her getting cast as non-funny roles, despite being hilarious irl.
Pretty impressive that they had enough spacesuits for everyone, perhaps they had the replicators on overdrive or they packed the shuttlecrafts and escape pods, maybe certain areas such as the mess hall and the medical bay are hermetically sealed with their own life support systems (would help against the spread of diseases with the med bay and the spread of odours of certain styles of cooking with the mess hall).
There's loads of examples in other Star Trek series of them sealing off chunks of the ship with forcefields, including doorways, and in at least some circumstances specifically to close hull breaches
The series subtly showed us that Sh' Reyan was after Mariner. The excuses to talk to her or like when Boimler left, Jennifer slept very close so close to Mariner, as if to bother when Mariner texted Boimler. Jenifer probably tried to move into Boimler bed, before they used it as a cellar for their knickknacks.
Sorry that Beckett and Jennifer train wrecked like they did. Jen should have at least had an open mind about what Beckett was capable of. Hopefully they will at least get back on speaking terms.
She has become a fan favourite character, I like her character and where her and Mariners friendships goes will be interesting, BUT I think many feel she should be in a relationship with Mariner. I would like it if T'Lyn come over and becomes a love interest for Boimler.
Boimler and T'Lyn would be an interesting couple, but that's a bit too much like Trip and T'Pol from 'Enterprise.' That being the case, the writers may say "been there, done that" and go in another direction.
@@thomashill6347 You know, I never really thought of that! Rutherford's part machine, Vulcans aspire to be machines, so that would actually make sense.
@@ShaolinShadowStroke Well I was thinking that T'Lyn is in science and Technology so that would be something she would like and Rutherford is a Engineer and Technology is his thing.
I think Boimler/T'Lyn would be fun. She is a loose cannon by Vulcan standards, but her attitude is pretty stoic for a human. It would be funny if she thought that Boimler was a loose cannon like her after he does something that is mildly against the standard procedure.
it would be on brand for lower decks to boldly go where no star trek show has gone before, but at least for this combination i would hope no, simply because i don't want Boimler and Mariner to end up together, even if it's in a thruple. It's just such a cliche, we'll likely gonna get Tendi/Rutherford, so i hope Boimler and Mariner both find someone outside their original friends group.
Good point. As an aside, I've always wondered the same about the Klingon General Chang in "The Undiscovered Country." "Chang" is an Earth Human name. Was it ever established if he had a human ancestor?
In story: maybe her actual name sounds like "Jennifer" and she decided to keep it that way. Out story: because Mariner's VA was improvising and the name stuck.
@@StarkSpider24 Tell you what, just for you I'm gonna let you in on the secret. There were a series of Star Trek novels that came out in 90s established the Andorians have 4 genders (2 masculine, 2 feminine). To help differentiate them, Andorians would add a prefix to their family name depending on which gender they were. "sh" is one of the feminine genders.
0:55-1:00 This is the funniest thing to me. You just barely see her realize "oh hey that's not a normal 'I don't like you' thing" before the video cuts away (and I think the original episode distracts from it another way?)
when people try to force a shipping war and not realizing andorian families have two daddies and two mommies. dubious canon sure (mentioned in one novel and nowhere else) but LD is legends of tommorow/sonic boom (the cartoon)-tier crazy enough to do it.
It comes up in a mission in star trek online, an Andorian during the discovery era brings up having a husband and wives back on Andoria. Another only seems to have only a wife but given that was in the “present” for STO and on a colony outside Andorian space so he might not follow his people’s customs as closely as others of his species or the custom declined over time.
@@darman12able On the inconsistency, maybe while Polyamory is normal amongst Andorians, some are inclined to by Monogamous. Monogamy for Andorians may be a minority sexuality, just as polygamy is amongst humans
@@xerex21212 true but it was made as an example of there inhabitons being taken away a good example is that billups dosnt want to have sex and in the naked time sim he was not engaging in anything sexual he was working on a padd
@@xerex21212 They probably just had the computer take the personnel files of the crew and simulate them. Faster that way, and as we know from Bradward's own program back in Season One, you don't need to know the contents of the files to use them.
I hate how they treated Mariner and Jennifer's relationship. They teased it so much in S2E10, gave us little tidbits in S3E3 and S3E6, and then just unceremoniously fucked it in S3E9 for... reasons. First proper lesbian relationship in Trek, and they screwed it up.
I find the idea of an Andorian with such a normal human name WAY funnier than I probably should.
This whole show in general seems to have a thing for giving very Earthly, human-sounding names to alien characters - an Andorian named Jennifer, a Trill named Barnes, a Tellarite named Durango…
@@blondiewan3331 ik the name jennifer was part of an improv line so maybe the others are too
I think some officers take human names that sound as close as possible to their real names as to fit in. If your name is just a series of throaty gargles and your instructor is an impatient A hole you might consider Jennifer
@@mastermonarch or they might be from a predominantly earth colony where their family has lived for generations. It's not uncommon for people to adopt the names of a culture they integrated into.
They could be mixed- and their alien DNA could just be dominant as far as appearances go, that could be case for Jennifer and Barnes. In Season One I think Barnes said her dad was a cyborg when talking to Rutherford, so her Dad could be a cybernetically enhanced human and her mother could be a Trill, hence how she got the last name Barnes (it’s jerk Dads last name), but she looks like a Trill.
For something that originated from an improv line, Im so glad LD is rolling with it and making Jennifer the Andorian a fleshed out and B-tier character.
Which line was improvised ?
@@andreslinares6429 calling her jennifer they were just told to say get out of the way(insert name here)not knowing it would be an andorian
@@pearsegallagher9832 Before that, she was just a background Andorian with hair styled like Mike McMahan's wife.
She is the Chen or Siegfried of Lower Decks. Dark Horse popularity for the win.
@@andreslinares6429 "Move, Jennifer!"
The level of hostility in her voice at that first “jenifer!!” Is amazing
It's the funniest part of the first season on a rewatch.
"I know we're not supposed to have interpersonal conflicts-" Is that a jab at Gene insisting that there is none of that in the first season of Next Gen?
Yes
Gene had this idea that people would improve with experience and learning, and rise above all the cr*p that blights so many lives.
Enormous numbers of people do not believe this is possible, preferring all the cr*p that blights so many lives.
It's really odd to me.
@@stevetheduck1425you can say crap on RUclips buddy, that’s not even a swear word.
The founding ideals of Gene-era Star Trek are professionalism and putting your personal misgivings beneath the shared mission. These are ideas which postmodern Star Trek - really, all of postmodern society - seems to find unappealing.
In their defense, "shared mission" is the very idea that the postmodern world is disillusioned with; after all, even our military, which should embody that idea above all and is where Gene likely fostered his convictions, now suffers a crisis of faith and purpose - does the ideal of "shared mission" _really_ merit your blood, sweat, and tears when the culmination of that mission was losing _another_ war in some faraway land?
I really love that Jennifer has a pony tail that swishes as she walks away almost like she is saying "whatever".
Lower Decks has been turend out such a great addition to the Star Trek universe, im so glad they created thie series and Jennifer is the first Andorian who looks really cute.
*Angry Talas noises in the background*
@@still_guns oops, your right. Sorry 😅
Definitely the best of the modern Trek series we've gotten, and the best example of something made BY fans, for fans.
@@Stingra87 I hope there will be more seasons added...SOON 🙂
come on Shran... you know you would do em if you got drunk enough
Ugh, now I need to draw fanart. Thanks a lot, _Jennifer_ 😠
*nsf...??* ... Forget it
But no there's already fan out only one on Twitter
@@datura9441 once you see it you cannot
The rules of the internet dictate the content of said fanart.
0:02 Mariner was just using her attempt to save Bradward as an excuse to shove Jennifer, since she wasn't even in her way.
You should see how they look like when you pause it. Lol
@@dragonrider1736 literally just came here to say that lol
@@dragonrider1736 You got me to skip frame by frame through the first scene, and now I noticed that the background has twice the framerate than the characters. Very interesting, you'd never be able to tell at full speed.
I think its the best moment of the show.
@@anlumo1 the background is probably 3D/CGI (they probably have several ship corridors and interiors rendered , then its easier to just pick an angle and draw more detail to clean it ..its what Space battleship Yamato 2199 did for example) while the characters are 2D drawn.. so it makes sense as its harder to animate 2D that CGI
"So what I'm taking away from that is that you like me?"
"No, shut up."
Sounds like Adora and Catra 😁
omg yeeeeess
Mariner: _Hey Andorian_ . Wait did that sound sexy or racist? Sexy racist?
Boimler: That was what my grandpappy would call _cringe_ !
No we just need to avoid nearly destroying reality to get them to kiss
@@DDarkestKnight oh my lord I can totally see that happen. You got me In trouble in my class
I don't see people talking about it but notice when she said that that her eyes were going up and down over Mariner? Jennifer was definitely checking her out.
Much as I loved these two together, I don't think Mariner will be quick to forgive Jennifer for not believing her about the news report. Everyone on that ship needs to apologize to her, frankly.
Note that in he first scene, Jennifer isn't really in Mariners way. She just reaches out and shoves her just because.
Mariner: brings up Jennifer's butt for no reason
also Mariner: wait was that gay?
Mariner is comfortably pansexual. Jennifer just normally isn't her type.
@@reddits2177 "normally"
@@chatterycasque9594 Mariner likes the "bad" type, and Jennifer doesn't seem like a bad girl.
@@reddits2177 Until Mariner brings it out in her...😈
Yes. Yes, it is. I'm into it.
Here's what Mike Mcmahan said In the third season, [Mariner] and Jennifer are seeing each other and there are stories we tell about that. What I would say is it’s not easy to date Mariner, and this show really is not about Mariner’s romantic relationships. It’s about how she sees herself, and how she treats friends and colleagues more than romantic partners. So, it was important to me-from the point of view of Star Trek, having these people in your life and seeing where these stories go. Mariner’s sexuality to me has always been… she seems like the kind of character who can run into a villain and awkwardly Mariner had dated him or her before. Those are the kinds of stories I really get excited about. With Mariner, there’s these historical sort of things you see with her, so… you will see Mariner and Jennifer dating, and see how that affects her, but really the tectonic shift that’s going into [Mariner’s arc in season three] is, right when she opened herself up and everything was going great, it all gets taken away from her. How does that affect somebody who doesn’t like it when people leave her or are taken away?
@A Shot of Hennessy "not about Mariner's romantic relationships"
@A Shot of Hennessy And? Mariner is actually a GOOD character.
Now I'm imagining something like this.
Villain: "Tremble before the might of-"
Freeman: "You again?"
Ransom: "You've met them?"
Freeman: "Yeah, Mariner brought them home for dinner once. Apparently she has an 'I can make them even worse' fetish."
Villain: "Wait, THAT'S what she was doing?"
@@jy3n2 Villain: “My character development over these past few years suddenly makes a lot more sense.”
there's another scene before all of this. in ep2, everyone is laughing hard about Boimler's Ferengi story but Jennifer mostly just smirks and doesn't completely buy it. she then smiles at Mariner as she's leaving.
Makes me wonder how long they were planning this for.
Edit: Actually, watching the scene in question, she is laughing with everyone else, and looks like she's smirking as Mariner leaves. Maybe they weren't planning *that* far ahead.
No lesbian shipping, please.
@@F40PH-2CAT yes, lesbian shipping, please
@@axelalonsogarcia5382 I mean, Mariner was confirmed pan in the girl's trip episode, and Jennifer was pretty flirty in that last scene so the ship is pretty obvious.
@@F40PH-2CAT Too late! HA! HA! HA!!!!! XD
I love the irony of how earlier Treks (TOS & ENT) kinda established Andorians as the badass warriors of the Federation (at least as compared to say, Humans), but here Beckett seems more "Andorian-like" than Jennifer.
Also----has anyone else noticed Jennifer's space suit helmet has antennae knobs?? LOL
It's the Cerritos.
We have an Orion medic, a Bajoran heavy, Housecat M.D. - And the two most competent people on the ship are _humans._
_Nobody_ on that boat is using their natural advantages. A reserved Andorian is the least weird.
The helmet thing is a sweet detail, but also in keeping with the Star Trek canon.
The Andorians lose their balance, if something happens to their antennae.
This would be an excellent pairing. Since Tendi and Rutherford are definitely going to be an item, Boimler and Mariner need love interests outside the core group. Having all 4 of them pairing off with each other would be cliche and boring...
Well, they might pull a twist and not have Tendi and Rutherford be a couple. But if Mariner is going to have a love interest outside the core group I would be hoping it would be T'Lyn.
@@moonlitebrite9317 They wouldn't do that. Rutherford and Tendi are literally perfect for each other
@@HaydrogenBomb I could see them going that way, if they wanted to keep them BFs. But then again I thought they would pair Mariner with T'Lyn so what do I know.
I agree. It’s actually pretty rare to see the two central protagonists of a show not get together if their male and female. This would make for a refreshing change of pace.
Andorians are polygamous and pair in groups of 4. Though that's due them having 4 genders.
Andorians Rock! Would love to see Jennifer’s character fleshed out even more!
Welp, Star Treck has the tendency for that so, cant wait for s3
Apparently she and beckett are going to be in a relationship next season so...there you go
Mmmmm..... Flesh!!!. Whoa, whoa.
These two are cute together, I hope season four explores their ever complicated relationship more
I think they broke up…
@@eshel9886REALLY WHAT EP started watching
After the last two episodes of Season 3, Mariner has basically ignored Jennifer's entire existence for the entirety of Season 4. And it's kinda hard to blame her for that.
I froze the frame where Mariner shoves Jennifer and it's hilarious.
Lol the way she’s warped is hysterical.
"Why, god? Why must I suffer?"
She wasnt even in the way! marine was already past her XD
According to an interview with Mike McMahan, Mariner and Jennifer *are* gonna be in a relationship in S3, with all the trials and tribulations that brings. I'm curious if this'll be a long term thing - where Mariner needs to learn to let people in - or if it'll only last for the season before they break up. Only time will tell - I'm excited though!
Break up? try Jennifer is gonna get sucked in a black hole or something of the like
@@mastermonarch or that...
Some of their interactions make me think they've got a "we broke up but I'm still into you" vibe. I'd enjoy a twist of the third season including a look at them having a past relationship that didn't quite work out, maybe contrasted by a second try now that Mariner's grown and faced her issues. But I am a little sad that we're losing that relatable "random coworker you just don't like" for more of a relationship tone.
@@BlueSmoke216 eh, I could take it or leave it. I think it's much more interesting to see how Mariner has changed and grown over time, and how her relationships have changed with her
@@mastermonarch I *was* going to say something to that effect. Fixing the warp core or something.
I’ve just noticed that Jennifer has cute little bits on her helmet for her antennae...
I’m not sure how to deal with that.
Starfleet is supposed to be accommodating for all species in the Federation, so Andorian-specific gear for Andorians is not out of the question. Cetatian ops plus other cetatian accommodations is another example.
@@kidterra4483 Andorians use their antennae for balance, the way humans use their ear tubes.
Getting dizzy on spacewalks is _bad._
Now when andorians have that type of hairstyle and you want to seduce them you need to start every conversation with "hey Adorian" with a smirk.
what you did there, I see it
Is that a She-Ra reference?
Note of course that during I, Excretus, the *one* part of the simulation Mariner expresses genuine interest in is the part where Jennifer's nude and clearly shown to be into women.
Mariner has already been confirmed to be bi/pansexual, so yeah she's definitely into women along with other genders.
@@moonlitebrite9317 And she was immediately intrigued by the simulation implying Jennifer was the same.
@@Pentarax ~ As *[@Moonlite Brite]* pointed out, it has been _'Alpha'_ Canon confirmed (by the ST:LD writers, by Tawny Newsome, and on-screen) that Mariner is pan-sexual; not just "bi-", given the very diverse nature of the ST-'verse ([Mariner]: _"Oh I'm _*_always_*_ dating Bad Boys...Bad Girls, Bad gender non-binary babes, ruthless alien masterminds, Bad Bynars...")._
As for the 'Naked Now' holo-scenario (0:40), also take into account that Mariner has stated (twice) that Mariner thinks Barnes is "crazy hot", so that was another allure/temptation for Mariner (in addition to Jennifer).
@@pendrake40 Bisexual doesn't exclude non-binary people, and the difference between it and pansexual seems mostly semantic.
@@Alkonium ~ Broadly speaking for/in Reality, I do not disagree with you. *;)*
But as a friendly (ST-based) counter-point, _'bi-sexual'_ exclusion would be applicable since the ST-'verse does contain racially-physical non-binary genders, androgynous, and asexual races/species; rather than semantic &/or self-identifying non-binary. So _'pan-sexual'_ would be more appropriate and accurate through the ST-lens.
Or, to draw upon the Doctor Who character of Captain Jack Harness (John Barrowman), Mariner may be _'omni'-sexual'._ *;)*
This is a good Enemies to Lovers compilation.
You get a name, you get shipped with a main character.
I'm surprised to see so many Mariner/Jennifer shippers, as opposed to Mariner/T'Lyn shippers. Considering that T'Lyn seems to have a lot in common with Mariner while we still know very little about Jennifer other than she saved Mariner's life.
yeah I was surprised that they seemed to be hinting at Mariner liking her since the season 2 finale was the most we've seen them interact
@@mikemorro140 I think Mariner/Jennifer started out as a running gag. But now they seem to have decided to go with "two girls who hate each other secretly want to hook up" angle.
I think it’s because mariner and T’lyn haven’t met
@@kikitiki6305 Yeah, I get that but when has that stopped shippers?
@@moonlitebrite9317 fair enough but it just makes sense that they ship mariner and Jennifer more than with T’Lyn
I really hope we get more of Jennifer. Love the core 4 of the cast but really enjoying the supporting characters soo much on this show
oh same here, I would be totally down for Jennifer, Jet, and Barnes becoming major supporting characters
Honestly same. I'd love a few episodes in s3 where one or two of the Core 4 are busy elsewhere and so one of the supporting characters like Jennifer or Barnes gets swapped in. Just something small to shake it up, yknow?
@@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123 I wouldn’t be surprised if we did tbh. Introducing new supporting characters that are well received is always gold for shows as far as the writers might be concerned. More options for stories to be explored.
…or this is just cope-ium lol
0:57 That sounded strangely like she was hoping that was true.
Fun fact: In Beta Cannon, Andorians have 4 genders,
Two masculine genders, Chan and Thaan (Shran was a Thaan)
And 2 feminine genders, Zhen and Shen,
I wonder if Jen is a Shen or a Zhen?
Beta canon also has gender prefixes attached to surnames, so Jennifer's surname of "sh'Reyan" (as listed in a background shot in 208) suggests she's a shen.
did they ever get into specifics about what the differences were exactly? because I can recall a few species in fiction having multiple sexes like that but I can't recall if they ever really went into detail about how they differentiated. Alien Nation was probably the closest that did.
@@Igarappappa shen provides the egg that gets fertilized by one of the male sexes (either "one or the other" or "one of them specifically", wiki is vague, but says you need all four for reproduction) and transferred to the zhen, who brings it to term.
@@nickmalachai2227 That's kinda what I was thinking.
So apparently Mariner Fantasizes about Jen as revealed in the most recent Lower Decks Episode.
So you think they might actually get together by the end of Season 3?
I’d Ship it, or Cerritos it! B3
I love the little bumps for her antennas on Jennifers Helmet ^^
I did not realize Jennifer was there all this time
Apparently they're dating now. I hope they don't screw it up; Beckett needs more stable, supportive, and positive relationships (including romantic). Like her parents come across as maybe meaning well, but being the kind of parents who continually demand their child get straight As and master the violin. Which explains a lot of Mariner's behavior when you think about it.
Hear that supposedly Beckett is gonna end up a pairing with Jennifer which I think would honestly be quite a fun idea. Normally with four-character ensembles they get evenly paired up male-to-female so it'd be a fun twist if it goes a different way here.
that or ransom. Since she has said he is hot too and ransom also thinks she is sometimes.
Not that there is anything wrong with Male-to-Female pairings 😐🤷🏻♂️
Love what was apparently an improvised name becoming a breakout character like this.
A Boilmer and Mariner relationship remains my absolute favorite. But it will definitely be very interesting to see what happens next with the Mariner and Jennifer. It doesn't matter what happens to the two of them.
I think Boimler and Mariner will get together in the end, but they will have lots of other relationships along the way. I'm hoping that Boimler and T'Lyn will have a relationship in Season 4. That should be interesting as Boimler is the human who is structured and logical and T'Lyn is the vulcan who is spontaneous and instinct-driven.
@@joeschembrie9450 It would be great if the two really ended up becoming a couple. The makers have ruled that out so far. Of course it could just be a trick. We'll see how the two of them continue.
And now it’s confirmed she’s in love with Jennifer 😂
It’s sad Jennifer only existed as a plot device to facilitate a break up scene and is never mentioned again.
Well I think that sucks
"Uh....yoga!" Gets me every time lol.
I wonder in the upcoming Star Trek Lower Deck if Jennifer will make amend with Mariner since she's the one who broke up their relationship after the misunderstanding during Mariner's unauthorized interview with Victoria Nuzé because at the end of the Season 3 finale she didn't come to Mariner and apologizes unless Jennifer is very a shame of herself while feeling guilty for wrongly accuse Mariner for something that she didn't do.
I'm betting she turns into a love interest of Boimler and Mariner starts hating her again, but TOTALLY not because she's jealous.
If that happens it would be hard to tell who she jealous of, is she jealous of Jennifer being with Boimler or is she jealous of Boimler being with Jennifer. Maybe Mariner is openly in love with Jennifer but has a hidden longing/soft spot for Boimler.
@@moonlitebrite9317 just imagine if they create the first open ploy relationship and all three of them are together
@@deathking1019 I highly doubt that would happen. Marvel are sort of doing it with Cyclops/Wolverine/Jean Grey with mixed feedback. So I don't think we're there quite yet.
@@moonlitebrite9317 well star trek is always about going boldly where no one has gone before
@@deathking1019 True, but I still don't think we're there yet.
happy to have an andorian with a somewhat bigger role. there hasn't been one since Shran. plus Jennifer is just so cute ^^
Any of you who watch season 3 episode 3 definitely answer the question what type of relationship they have
by all Measure Laurin did a very good job with her Voice work, I am very glad I can pick out most of the people by there voice, its fun knowing who has worked on the show !!
I was hoping that Mariner and Boimler would end up together, but I'm really starting to like Jennifer. It might be interesting to see her and Marinner together. Truth be told, I still hope for her and Boimler to become an item, but I can get behind Marinner and Jennifer. Heck, maybe they could use the Marinner, Jennifer relationship to emphasise romantic tensions between Marinner and Boimler, perhaps with him being jealous of how much time Marinner spends with Jennifer
I'd prefer Jennifer and mariner to be friends and mariner and boilmer to be lovers
I'm rooting for Mariner and Boimler, too, but I love organic relationships. Unanticipated ships that just work are awesome, and if the series ends with Mariner/Jennifer, and it clicks, I'll be just as happy with it.
@@johnmccarron7066 same here, though Mariner and Boimler could still be very close in that case, and Jennifer would be equally close to him!
One thing that I never thought lower decks would do is make the manual flight stick thing from Insurrection make sense with it being on starfleet ships
I'm embarrassed that I didn't recognize Lauren Lapkus' voice immediately.
Also continuing the weird trend of her getting cast as non-funny roles, despite being hilarious irl.
Pretty impressive that they had enough spacesuits for everyone, perhaps they had the replicators on overdrive or they packed the shuttlecrafts and escape pods, maybe certain areas such as the mess hall and the medical bay are hermetically sealed with their own life support systems (would help against the spread of diseases with the med bay and the spread of odours of certain styles of cooking with the mess hall).
There's loads of examples in other Star Trek series of them sealing off chunks of the ship with forcefields, including doorways, and in at least some circumstances specifically to close hull breaches
I ship it. They cute together
0:40 and 0:57 supports your claim
And they would be a cute ship
The series subtly showed us that Sh' Reyan was after Mariner.
The excuses to talk to her or like when Boimler left, Jennifer slept very close so close to Mariner, as if to bother when Mariner texted Boimler.
Jenifer probably tried to move into Boimler bed, before they used it as a cellar for their knickknacks.
I wonder how many times I've looked at a tv show and say
"Oh, just fuck already"
I just love the part went she push Jennifer 😂😅🤣
Oh my. They DID make Jennifer into something more.
Sorry that Beckett and Jennifer train wrecked like they did. Jen should have at least had an open mind about what Beckett was capable of. Hopefully they will at least get back on speaking terms.
Now… kiss
Please please please!
0:42 ?
I can relate how I feel about those two with this comment
@@bmyers7078 yeah, like that but Beckett and Jennifer.
She has become a fan favourite character, I like her character and where her and Mariners friendships goes will be interesting, BUT I think many feel she should be in a relationship with Mariner. I would like it if T'Lyn come over and becomes a love interest for Boimler.
Boimler and T'Lyn would be an interesting couple, but that's a bit too much like Trip and T'Pol from 'Enterprise.' That being the case, the writers may say "been there, done that" and go in another direction.
@@ShaolinShadowStroke Maybe BUT it would be interesting OR maybe she get interested in Rutherford GIVING a rage to Tendi
@@thomashill6347 You know, I never really thought of that! Rutherford's part machine, Vulcans aspire to be machines, so that would actually make sense.
@@ShaolinShadowStroke Well I was thinking that T'Lyn is in science and Technology so that would be something she would like and Rutherford is a Engineer and Technology is his thing.
I think Boimler/T'Lyn would be fun. She is a loose cannon by Vulcan standards, but her attitude is pretty stoic for a human. It would be funny if she thought that Boimler was a loose cannon like her after he does something that is mildly against the standard procedure.
Just now noticed Jennifer's space helmet has a small set of extensions for her antennae.
I don't know about you people but I have a good feeling about season 3
When Beckett first said ‘Jennifer’, I thought she was using the name in the same sort of way somebody calls someone ‘Karen’.
Am I the onle one who loves the fact that her helmet has space for her antennae?
I ship them. So. Much.
Live long and prosper 🖖
Avoid death and cower.
This is funnier now knowing that they're dating
Aaaaaand now I ship it. God damn it.
Im wondering if they will make the first ploy relationship with boimler mariner and jennifer where all three are together
I would love that!
Too wierd
@@mastermonarch why?
@@mastermonarch andorians have four genders, polyamory is built into their whole society
it would be on brand for lower decks to boldly go where no star trek show has gone before, but at least for this combination i would hope no, simply because i don't want Boimler and Mariner to end up together, even if it's in a thruple. It's just such a cliche, we'll likely gonna get Tendi/Rutherford, so i hope Boimler and Mariner both find someone outside their original friends group.
Jen becomes Beckett's wife at the end of the series...
girl have you seen the new episode
Always find it pretty endearing how she jokes and messed with Boimler but the moment he is gone she is admitting the guy is pretty great XD
Love the facial expression cell stop at 0:02
THIS is SO much funnier in hindsight.
For some reason an andorian named Jennifer it's just extra funny in my book
Jennifer is probably an Andorian,who was raised on Earth or in some Earth colonies, and have adapted to Earth culture as well
I'm sorry they blocked it. I'd have loved watching it. Jen is my favorite side charactere!
Why does Jennifer have a Human name?
Maybe it's actually Gnnyfur and we're hearing it wrong.
It's possible.
Maybe she was raised by humans?
Or maybe she just likes the name?
Who knows i mean it's better then what musk name his kid
Good point. As an aside, I've always wondered the same about the Klingon General Chang in "The Undiscovered Country." "Chang" is an Earth Human name. Was it ever established if he had a human ancestor?
In story: maybe her actual name sounds like "Jennifer" and she decided to keep it that way.
Out story: because Mariner's VA was improvising and the name stuck.
Or her Parents just like human names. The same way kids from germany have english names, or kids from the us have french ones etc
I'M SHIPPING THOSE TWO AND NO ONE CAN STOP ME!!!!
I think it's actually been confirmed they will date in Season 3, but guess we'll have to wait and see to be certain. Quickly, I need to find a TARDIS!
Only true OGs know what the "sh" in "sh'Reyan" means.
The magic number is "4".
That’s okay, I don’t like Star treck. Lower decks is good enough to watch though
@@StarkSpider24 Tell you what, just for you I'm gonna let you in on the secret. There were a series of Star Trek novels that came out in 90s established the Andorians have 4 genders (2 masculine, 2 feminine). To help differentiate them, Andorians would add a prefix to their family name depending on which gender they were. "sh" is one of the feminine genders.
I love the space suit for the andorian
Excitement for the future wedding episode for these two
She moves Jennifer like i move PEDS in GTA who are not in my way! XD
"Jennifer can't wear hats. Her antennae are too sensitive."
They give me Lumity vibes
I ship it! ^>^
I do too.
You and me both.
0:55-1:00
This is the funniest thing to me. You just barely see her realize "oh hey that's not a normal 'I don't like you' thing" before the video cuts away (and I think the original episode distracts from it another way?)
when people try to force a shipping war and not realizing andorian families have two daddies and two mommies.
dubious canon sure (mentioned in one novel and nowhere else) but LD is legends of tommorow/sonic boom (the cartoon)-tier crazy enough to do it.
It comes up in a mission in star trek online, an Andorian during the discovery era brings up having a husband and wives back on Andoria. Another only seems to have only a wife but given that was in the “present” for STO and on a colony outside Andorian space so he might not follow his people’s customs as closely as others of his species or the custom declined over time.
@@darman12able On the inconsistency, maybe while Polyamory is normal amongst Andorians, some are inclined to by Monogamous. Monogamy for Andorians may be a minority sexuality, just as polygamy is amongst humans
That push was uncalled for, and unneeded.
I like this romance. They work together. And it gets sooo much funnier in S3.
Jennifer's first few frames are fuckin hilarious
I ship it
if she doesn't get upgraded to supporting cast next season i'll riot
Mariner character growth
Think it's good that the space suit has such ears for the antennas.
Holy shit she stages prison breaks because of Sito
I'd go after an Andorian so fast. One of my favorite races
So I'm getting two vibes from Jennifer.
1. She may or may not be bisexual
and 2. She definitely *likes* Brad.
i mean in naked time she was making out with barns
@@pearsegallagher9832 That was a program made by a non crew member.
@@xerex21212 true but it was made as an example of there inhabitons being taken away a good example is that billups dosnt want to have sex and in the naked time sim he was not engaging in anything sexual he was working on a padd
@@pearsegallagher9832 was the person who made it knowledgeable enough to know the crews sexual preferences?
@@xerex21212
They probably just had the computer take the personnel files of the crew and simulate them. Faster that way, and as we know from Bradward's own program back in Season One, you don't need to know the contents of the files to use them.
I swear these two are gonna be a couple some day...
They’d be so cute together OMFG
I hate how they treated Mariner and Jennifer's relationship. They teased it so much in S2E10, gave us little tidbits in S3E3 and S3E6, and then just unceremoniously fucked it in S3E9 for... reasons. First proper lesbian relationship in Trek, and they screwed it up.
she has such a jennifer face
That ship sailed fast
0:41 really helped it along.
God im a sucker for this shit
Never seen the show but this looks like enemies to lovers if I ever saw it
They're friends with benefits and you can't tell me otherwise.
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No, they are/were together.
this both are giving possible future lesbian relationship
I ship it.
Even without it hopefully killing the ship with Boimler, nice ship.