Glad to see Troy getting some well deserved attention outside of the DIY community. I had the pleasure of visiting his shop over a year ago and was really impressed with the wide verity of offerings he has. I feel in love with one of his Fostek speakers, and he offered it as a DIY kit. I built the speaker and absolutely love it.
Hey Jay, this exact pair of speakers is heading to my house next week! Thanks for warming them up for me and giving such a detailed and thoughtful review. I was already excited to hear them in person but now I can hardly wait!
Great review. I’ve had the pleasure of working with Troy for the past 6 months because I wanted a variation on one of his designs. Working with him, I came to appreciate his attention to details that I have not seen in other speakers. I’m looking forward to completing what I hope will be my “end game” speakers.
Hey, the jaw-dropper, the game-changer, the one that everybody wants, the favorite, the best that is better than the best - of this week 🙂 Must admit - it is one pretty speaker
@@rulerofrecords1 My favorite speaker in terms of aesthetics is Project 1695. This is an open baffle 2.5 way design carved (via CNC machine) out of solid wood. The horn is carved into the wood as well. Gorgeous speaker!
I’ve seen several criticisms of this speaker based on its lack of efficiency for the tube crowd. Keep in mind that most aspects of speaker design is coming up with the best compromise. Can you get higher efficiency? Yes. But what do you give up? High efficiency speakers usually are lacking in bass. The only way I know of to get high efficiency and good bass extension is with larger woofer enclosures. For example, JC has a design using an 18” back loaded horn. That design is around 105 db, but it is also a huge speaker. I don’t know of any method for getting high efficiency out of woofer enclosures that have decent bass extension. To be honest, getting the bass response this speaker has in an enclosure of this size with reasonable efficiency is impressive.
I have a pair of Troy's 2k hz circular horns for some DIY bookshelves. They are great quality pieces. Excellent design. After some light sanding, a coat of Rubio Monocoat and a rub on coat of polyurethane, fabulous.
Glad you’re doing measurements. Curious how much smoothing did you apply on the graph? Also did you use 1/16th octave or 1/3 octave? JC does an excellent job measuring on his own site.
finally some actually epic and objectively awesome speakers that aren't just purely audiophile-tax nonsense. Joseph Crowe designs are absolutely insanely awesome. Wish you could try his flagship nighthawks, or some other bigger speakers than the ones you got. 15" is the correct size of woofer.
Outstanding review. Very cool horn design. Same issue here, small room. But inspired by your use of extra subs - up to four? And didn’t consider even mixing up the brands! I guess below 80hz can’t really locate source. But everything worked out combining the rel with the Arendals?
@@erwineffendi4130 subwoofer setup is an entire subject on its own and I will do a video on it in the near future. But yes, I used PEQ inside the eversolo dmp a8 to correct the amplitude of the subs. This is recommended for any sub setup
why on EARTH would you want to lessen the bass or cause it to roll off sooner? you're absolutely insane. so far from too much bass it's not even funny. "tame the bass" is like saying "get a boob reduction".
Jay: I think it would be great if you could do a video comparing this speaker to the Maco Maccaria speakers. The price is comparable, but the approach of each speaker is very different. You really liked both of these speakers, but I suspect the strengths and weaknesses of each is different. And if you had around $15,000 burning a hole in your pocket, which would you choose and why?
@@Jayiyagi I Watched the video again. Your right. Response looks really nice. Would like to here them... The design of two way in this way would be on my mind if I change my setup
@@larshinkel7542 yeah 18k is not early, and there's still plenty of energy at 20khz, and you can use this magical thing called EQ to boost it. audiophiles always overlook EQ which is indispensable with almost EVERY speaker that exists. if you're not using DSP EQ you're doing it wrong.
Very very different. Apples to oranges. If you want fast, transparent and clean, the borresen are a technical masterpiece but JC horns are even more dynamic and has everything going for it as a horn design but you gotta still like what horns do
Having owned Avantgarde, they are the best horn speakers period imo, when you get a chance, review a set. I don't think anything can compare to a spherical horn/waveguide
I agree , they are awesome. Another horn that has blown me away and is more coherent is the Multiple Entry Horn (MEH) or Synergy Horn. I’ve heard ones based on the K-402 , Jubilee, constant directivity horn. The pair I heard were active xover/amped
I recently heard 3 models of Avantgarde spkrs. Nothing special and ugly as hell. They look like they belong in a circus with clowns. They didn't impress me especially at the price! They have class D amps big deal, Martin Logan and Golden Ear also have class D for their bass. ATC however uses class AB amps in their active speakers and for a fraction of the price!
This sounds great! But whatever happened to class A triode amplifiers? (Class D? Really?) My rogue audio with Kt90s in triode has a purer and more exciting sound than what I’ve heard from McIntosh (including the 275). Oh, and it’s a lot more affordable.
visually they are beautiful , and also different from the norm going by horn speakers , the smoothness of the wood work is incredible , the little details as for example the lift on the bottom end of the speaker that connects visually direct with the rounded wood profile that rises to the woofer , very well done ! plus , they are not that big for a horn speaker ! which for me at least is a plus point .
90db just isn't sensitive enough for the traditional horn market. They'd not work very well on the end of a SET system with a couple of watts. But they are beautiful and if you have more power like a 211/805/845 etc you'd be OK.
That will depend highly on the room size and volume you crank it to. With about 8 watts or maybe even lower, it should be plenty in a room like mine or even a bit larger
narrower than the horizontal, but well behaved. he always aims for the lowest crossover point possible, given the horn size and compression driver. but this is a good reason to get one of his BIGGER designs, which most are. these are relatively small ones. 15" is the correct size woofer; the speaker reviewed is a noob level compromise IMO. very epic indeed... but absolute noob mode to not get a 15", or at least a 12" with some subs.
look at JC's site. he makes better stuff. if you want something insane and impressive, and stupid expensive, look at his flagship nighthawk. but he has many other designs that are above the design reviewed here, which in relative terms is a smaller more "entry level" JC design, though it's still stupid expensive due to the custom woodwork.
These speakers are $7,500 each and are 41 x 12.7 x 12.75 inches. I have Tekton Design Polycell 15 speakers. The Polycell are horn speakers for about $5,00 for both speakers. However, the Polycells are large speakers - 57 x 20 1/4 x 14. I think these are great speakers - the sound seems to come out effortless. I took out one of the horn speakers and check them out on the internet. I found they are $70 speakers (each). The base goes down to about 50 dB. Anything lower and the base gets rough. I found that good horn speakers are not "horny".
just saw the price ....o.k. while not cheap, i really was expecting even more, is obtainable for sure.....even for me, ..........(at this moment i have a deavilish smile , a grin from ear to ear )......glad wife is not at home............. :)
o.k. ....are this speakers sold individually ?? i saw the price above 7000 euros i tought for the pair , (hence my commnet from very fair price ) , but at the site i see "priced individually " !!!???
from the site : "Priced individually " does this maybe means that is priced acording to each ones preferences ? ( choose of colour, type of veneer , maybe other components in the crossover ??!! ) or is really price per unit ? ! i am now confused , as English is not my mother language !
i have already had my answer now , from a comment bellow , unfortunately 15k a pair ,....... again out of my reach ,,,... i am going there just to cry for 5 minuts and i will come back,...... crap ! :)
I would just let it all slide and try not to respond that much. He will understand that at some point you're not wanting to engage about it. Its also best not to let anyone really know what you're thinking if possible...... he may be trying to get you to speak about the confidentiality part of things. Just play cool cat in the rooms.
with a properly designed horn, with good geometry and construction, and the right compression driver, you're simply wrong, objectively. there is no downside to a good horn. I agree electrostatics have some great things going for them too. but a truly good horn (which many are not - these are among the best of the best though) is unbeatable. the timbre, FR, directionality, dynamics, INSANELY LOW distortion, is all as good as it gets. no one that says they don't like horns has ever heard JC speakers, or Geddes speakers, or other top tier well integrated horn designs of a good geometry, with a proper crossover design and/or proper EQ.
you haven't heard truly good horns then. there literally IS NO downside, OBJECTIVELY speaking. perfect FR, perfect timbre, perfect dispersion characteristics, insanely low distortion of ALL types, insane dynamics and speed. you THINK you don't like horns, but you're wrong. perhaps you just haven't heard something on this level. blind showing - not a single person in the world would "not like" an excellent horn design like this, period. straight facts.
LMAO are you serious? these are not even in the same WORLD as any Klipsch speaker, and I like plenty of Klipsch speakers. These are on a whole 'nother level man. watch his videos and see his methodology and design philosophy and measurements.
This is NOT a horn speaker. This is a speaker with a horn tweeter. Probably the most beautiful horn tweeter I have ever seen, at that. This speaker only uses a 10 inch woofer. Not high efficiency, because it simply can not be, due to the laws of physics. It's also just another speaker based on the theme of the econowave. Trying to match directivity in the horizontal plane (at least), at the crossover point. That's about 1.3 kHz for most 10 inch. It's a beautiful work of art, but all these type 2-ways are a serious compromise. There are better ways to do things, especially in view of the $15k/price/per pair.
You're correct...................... Function follows form here. The form du'jour is narrow towers, which obviously limits the width of the woofer & horn. That's the 2-fold problem here. Because it's too narrow, the woofer can't get low without having big excursion, rubber surround, inefficient, slow and power hungry like they are, compared to the complete opposite type driver their trying to mesh. Because it's too narrow, the horn can't reproduce much at all in the mid-range. Combined with a 1" throat & driver, they just can't get down into the vocals where horns are so great. Small subwoofers with narrow horns is NOT the way to go. "There are better ways to do things, especially in view of the $15k/price/per pair." Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊
He has many designs, and these are among the smaller ones. I agree... 15" is the correct size of woofer, and he has much bigger horns that cross WAY lower. So your comment is irrelevant, except that yes... the price is STEEP.
i have my answer now, i tought the price was about 7000 , but then i saw priced individually ,.....so almost 15k !? while i have nor heard them , the drivers itself are far from being worth that , but as always with a speaker is the final result that matters , and yes....the woodwork is indeed first rate ,
@@MsCorbacho it's all in the design and woodwork, and yes it is expensive. JC makes and sells cost no object speakers at various price points... he NEVER selects drivers based on cost, he's NOT cost savings here. He tests hundreds of drivers and then chooses what to use based on his objective measurements and subjective impressions. Cost does NOT correlate with quality or performance characteristics - they are almost completely unrelated. If a more expensive driver worked better, he'd use it. Look at his website, he has COUNTLESS driver tests with TONS of measurements and details about each one. If a cheaper driver measures (in frequency response or distortion terms, and looking at various SPL's) and integrates better, then he will use it. That's doing proper design work, instead of thinking "cost more equals better!". He sells the cad files cheap so you can't really argue with the value; it's what his time and equipment is worth, based on the amount of investment from him, and based on demand, and he has plenty of demand. You can find some cheaper deals when not buying made-to-order speakers - if you check his website, he has some stock of some things, that go for less. His driver selection process is second to none I assure you. He's compared expensive field coil 15" woofers to a normal one, and the normal one performed better and had lower distortion, for example, for way less money.
@@Jayiyagiwell you pronounced it like you had an "owie". 😅 Pretty sure it must be crow, like Russel Crowe. Right?? By the way it's awesome to see you reviewing these and getting him more exposure outside of the diy world!
That’s a funny way to read the graph. Thats really not a problem. As you can see, that vanishes in an in-room situation and you can always eq that if it bothers you
No they don't, not even by Jay's measurements let alone JC's. 3-4db at most is the peak, and guess what? there's this magical thing called EQ most audiophiles FOOLISHLY neglect. All horns need EQ'd... virtually all speakers need EQ'd. A complex crossover design IS essentially an electrical EQ of sorts to begin with, but is not the best way to address small issues... DSP is better for that.
@@Artcore103 EQ is a phase function….linear or non linear…..doesn’t matter. When you shift phase to modify response, you inherently create a phase anomaly. Take some time to research the recording process to understand some fundamentals as to why specific microphones and positions are chosen to specifically avoid having to EQ as much as possible. That bump is a resonance btw…..excite that frequency with a specific note or tone and it’s going to grate your ear drums. None of this comes from a position of audiophoolery or the sighted listening you folks are now practicing and trying to pass off as objective.
@@Jayiyagi look at RCFs own measures of the ND350…..the highly smoothed impedance and response was unable to hide the blip at 8k which is obviously excited by Joe’s horn. We could argue all day here…..Joe’s a talented designer…..but this speaker is better served for high output crowd listening. As an engineer, one look at that graph tells me 20 minutes max for me of critical listening in the mid field. YMMV.
music makes u cry, not the gear. if a song makes u cry from 10 dollar speakers in a 1989 k10 truck. don’t expect much more from some 50 grand system etc.. 😎
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Glad to see Troy getting some well deserved attention outside of the DIY community. I had the pleasure of visiting his shop over a year ago and was really impressed with the wide verity of offerings he has. I feel in love with one of his Fostek speakers, and he offered it as a DIY kit. I built the speaker and absolutely love it.
Hey Jay, this exact pair of speakers is heading to my house next week! Thanks for warming them up for me and giving such a detailed and thoughtful review. I was already excited to hear them in person but now I can hardly wait!
so you are the lucky customer who's getting these pair! Awesome. Consider my review a double quality check/assurance then! haha 😂
wow. congrats.. having speaker envy all around.. :)
Great review. I’ve had the pleasure of working with Troy for the past 6 months because I wanted a variation on one of his designs. Working with him, I came to appreciate his attention to details that I have not seen in other speakers. I’m looking forward to completing what I hope will be my “end game” speakers.
Going to have to get a file from JC and try my hand at one of his horn designs. Thanks for the review!
Joseph Crowe deserves a lot more recognition for his extensive research and design work. Unfortunately, good stuff comes at a price.
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funny i seen the picture of the speaker and thought, that must be Joseph's work :) nice hes doing so well !! his work looks great !
Hey, the jaw-dropper, the game-changer, the one that everybody wants, the favorite, the best that is better than the best - of this week 🙂 Must admit - it is one pretty speaker
@@rulerofrecords1 My favorite speaker in terms of aesthetics is Project 1695. This is an open baffle 2.5 way design carved (via CNC machine) out of solid wood. The horn is carved into the wood as well. Gorgeous speaker!
I’ve seen several criticisms of this speaker based on its lack of efficiency for the tube crowd. Keep in mind that most aspects of speaker design is coming up with the best compromise. Can you get higher efficiency? Yes. But what do you give up? High efficiency speakers usually are lacking in bass. The only way I know of to get high efficiency and good bass extension is with larger woofer enclosures. For example, JC has a design using an 18” back loaded horn. That design is around 105 db, but it is also a huge speaker.
I don’t know of any method for getting high efficiency out of woofer enclosures that have decent bass extension. To be honest, getting the bass response this speaker has in an enclosure of this size with reasonable efficiency is impressive.
Absolutely beautiful speakers. It’s easy to see the quality. Enjoyed your review of these. Cheers 👍😎
I’ve got my eye on a few of his designs. Really beautiful stuff and made in Canada makes shipping much less of a hassle for me
So this makes these speakers perfect for movies where people who are not in the exact center will enjoy almost the same sound?
I have a pair of Troy's 2k hz circular horns for some DIY bookshelves. They are great quality pieces. Excellent design.
After some light sanding, a coat of Rubio Monocoat and a rub on coat of polyurethane, fabulous.
Compelling review! Honestly I expected the price to be higher.
I like Wood gotta say they are sure pretty 😊
TY for reviewing speakers for low watt amps.
I own currently Klipschorns AK6 speakers & I love them. I wish to hear your view on them.
Glad you’re doing measurements. Curious how much smoothing did you apply on the graph? Also did you use 1/16th octave or 1/3 octave? JC does an excellent job measuring on his own site.
1/12th octave
Thanks. I will certainly check it out. I’m looking for a good horn based DIY speaker project.
finally some actually epic and objectively awesome speakers that aren't just purely audiophile-tax nonsense. Joseph Crowe designs are absolutely insanely awesome. Wish you could try his flagship nighthawks, or some other bigger speakers than the ones you got. 15" is the correct size of woofer.
Thanks Jay!
These speakers are gorgeous! I would love to see a comparison vs @Voltiaudio !
Outstanding review. Very cool horn design. Same issue here, small room. But inspired by your use of extra subs - up to four? And didn’t consider even mixing up the brands! I guess below 80hz can’t really locate source. But everything worked out combining the rel with the Arendals?
yeap! Worked great
Jay, u've never talked about your subwoofer setup so I'm just curious are you using MiniDSP or any other crossover with 4 outputs to run 4 subwoofers?
@@erwineffendi4130 subwoofer setup is an entire subject on its own and I will do a video on it in the near future. But yes, I used PEQ inside the eversolo dmp a8 to correct the amplitude of the subs. This is recommended for any sub setup
i have not yet seen the price ,..because as always .......there goes my heart :) :) :)
Yeah, great designs from Joseph. Did you try lightly stuffing the reflex ports to tame the bass a bit? Best waterfall graph I've seen....
No I have not tried that as the drivers are not really suited for closed box design
why on EARTH would you want to lessen the bass or cause it to roll off sooner? you're absolutely insane. so far from too much bass it's not even funny. "tame the bass" is like saying "get a boob reduction".
Jay: I think it would be great if you could do a video comparing this speaker to the Maco Maccaria speakers. The price is comparable, but the approach of each speaker is very different. You really liked both of these speakers, but I suspect the strengths and weaknesses of each is different. And if you had around $15,000 burning a hole in your pocket, which would you choose and why?
While on the horn topic, you have to try some Avantgarde speakers 😊
Very interesting beautiful looking speakers. The tweeter them to roll off pretty early. Maybe adding an Uhf tweeter 🤔
Not really an early roll off. Look at the on-axis response
@@Jayiyagi ok, I looked at the in room response. 5 of of them would be nice for multichannel...
@@Jayiyagi I Watched the video again. Your right. Response looks really nice. Would like to here them... The design of two way in this way would be on my mind if I change my setup
@@larshinkel7542 yeah 18k is not early, and there's still plenty of energy at 20khz, and you can use this magical thing called EQ to boost it. audiophiles always overlook EQ which is indispensable with almost EVERY speaker that exists. if you're not using DSP EQ you're doing it wrong.
Another great review. Thanks for sharing. Horn speaker is enjoyable such as Klipsch. But these speakers look is not my cup of tea 😅.
He has a wide variety of designs.
How would these compare to the Borreson speakers that you liked so much?
As a horn user (JBL 4367) I too would like to heard about a direct comparison to the Borreson.
Very very different. Apples to oranges.
If you want fast, transparent and clean, the borresen are a technical masterpiece but JC horns are even more dynamic and has everything going for it as a horn design but you gotta still like what horns do
Having owned Avantgarde, they are the best horn speakers period imo, when you get a chance, review a set. I don't think anything can compare to a spherical horn/waveguide
I agree , they are awesome. Another horn that has blown me away and is more coherent is the Multiple Entry Horn (MEH) or Synergy Horn. I’ve heard ones based on the K-402 , Jubilee, constant directivity horn. The pair I heard were active xover/amped
I have heard Avantgarde. Just not my taste so decided to not review it. Maybe one day!
I recently heard 3 models of Avantgarde spkrs. Nothing special and ugly as hell. They look like they belong in a circus with clowns. They didn't impress me especially at the price! They have class D amps big deal, Martin Logan and Golden Ear also have class D for their bass. ATC however uses class AB amps in their active speakers and for a fraction of the price!
@@Jayiyagi Fair enough, I ran mine with 845 SET.
@@InPursuitOfLiberty class AB is not inherently superior, that's dumb old school audiophile nonsense thinking. depends on the amp.
Have you tried the Speakers from Strauss?
It's a studio monitor with 12 inch woofer a 1 inch horn
If you really are that much into horn designs you should definitely give the blumenhofer gran gioia 2x16 a listen.
This sounds great! But whatever happened to class A triode amplifiers? (Class D? Really?) My rogue audio with Kt90s in triode has a purer and more exciting sound than what I’ve heard from McIntosh (including the 275). Oh, and it’s a lot more affordable.
Do these do well with low level listening?
Jay, I couldn't read the impedance graph. Can you please let me know the nominal and the lowest impedance please? Thank you!
nominal 7 ohms with lowest point being 6.8 ish ohms
@@Jayiyagithanks for letting me know!
Ha ha you said supernatural !
visually they are beautiful , and also different from the norm going by horn speakers ,
the smoothness of the wood work is incredible , the little details as for example the lift on the bottom end of the speaker that connects visually direct with the rounded wood profile that rises to the woofer , very well done !
plus , they are not that big for a horn speaker ! which for me at least is a plus point .
90db just isn't sensitive enough for the traditional horn market. They'd not work very well on the end of a SET system with a couple of watts. But they are beautiful and if you have more power like a 211/805/845 etc you'd be OK.
He has bigger more sensitive speakers
That will depend highly on the room size and volume you crank it to. With about 8 watts or maybe even lower, it should be plenty in a room like mine or even a bit larger
@@Jayiyagi not if you want significant output below 50-60hz.
How do these compare to altec vott or model 19s?
These JCs are more balanced and wayyyyy more bass.
How is the vertical dispersion?
It's kind of up & down.
narrower than the horizontal, but well behaved. he always aims for the lowest crossover point possible, given the horn size and compression driver. but this is a good reason to get one of his BIGGER designs, which most are. these are relatively small ones. 15" is the correct size woofer; the speaker reviewed is a noob level compromise IMO. very epic indeed... but absolute noob mode to not get a 15", or at least a 12" with some subs.
Congratulations on the hair cut. 👌
Try Avantgarde Hornspeakers
look at JC's site. he makes better stuff. if you want something insane and impressive, and stupid expensive, look at his flagship nighthawk. but he has many other designs that are above the design reviewed here, which in relative terms is a smaller more "entry level" JC design, though it's still stupid expensive due to the custom woodwork.
Thx for the video. Don´t get the woofer it s a pitty there s no afford to have no difractions there. But never heard them so I don´t know..
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Jay ...?? A second Room ??????????? :)
These speakers are $7,500 each and are 41 x 12.7 x 12.75 inches. I have Tekton Design Polycell 15 speakers. The Polycell are horn speakers for about $5,00 for both speakers. However, the Polycells are large speakers - 57 x 20 1/4 x 14. I think these are great speakers - the sound seems to come out effortless. I took out one of the horn speakers and check them out on the internet. I found they are $70 speakers (each). The base goes down to about 50 dB. Anything lower and the base gets rough.
I found that good horn speakers are not "horny".
Polycell does not use compression drivers. Not even the same technology.
BASS not base. These JC speakers should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as tekton. On a whole 'nother level.
look like high end JBLs
Are these the horn speakers that everyone has been waiting for? 😂
Kuma. Shhhhhh
just saw the price ....o.k. while not cheap, i really was expecting even more,
is obtainable for sure.....even for me, ..........(at this moment i have a deavilish smile , a grin from ear to ear )......glad wife is not at home............. :)
AH......AH.......AH........ (This was my vilain laught )
o.k. ....are this speakers sold individually ?? i saw the price above 7000 euros i tought for the pair , (hence my commnet from very fair price ) , but at the site i see "priced individually " !!!???
from the site : "Priced individually " does this maybe means that is priced acording to each ones preferences ? ( choose of colour, type of veneer , maybe other components in the crossover ??!! )
or is really price per unit ? !
i am now confused , as English is not my mother language !
i have already had my answer now , from a comment bellow ,
unfortunately 15k a pair ,....... again out of my reach ,,,...
i am going there just to cry for 5 minuts and i will come back,......
crap ! :)
@@MsCorbachoYeah, at first I saw $7500! But, then after the initial read, I realized it was for just one!
I would just let it all slide and try not to respond that much. He will understand that at some point you're not wanting to engage about it.
Its also best not to let anyone really know what you're thinking if possible...... he may be trying to get you to speak about the confidentiality part of things. Just play cool cat in the rooms.
Horn? No way. Great for brass or sax but not for string neither vocal.prefer electrostatic mate with a good sub😊
with a properly designed horn, with good geometry and construction, and the right compression driver, you're simply wrong, objectively. there is no downside to a good horn. I agree electrostatics have some great things going for them too. but a truly good horn (which many are not - these are among the best of the best though) is unbeatable. the timbre, FR, directionality, dynamics, INSANELY LOW distortion, is all as good as it gets. no one that says they don't like horns has ever heard JC speakers, or Geddes speakers, or other top tier well integrated horn designs of a good geometry, with a proper crossover design and/or proper EQ.
Not a horn fan myself, but interesting concept he has to give away the CAD files🤔...
you haven't heard truly good horns then. there literally IS NO downside, OBJECTIVELY speaking. perfect FR, perfect timbre, perfect dispersion characteristics, insanely low distortion of ALL types, insane dynamics and speed. you THINK you don't like horns, but you're wrong. perhaps you just haven't heard something on this level. blind showing - not a single person in the world would "not like" an excellent horn design like this, period. straight facts.
Troy is very active in the DIY community and has been for years.
I love horn systems..
You say better than klipsch, have heard the legacy?
Yes, I have heard most klipsch speakers
LMAO are you serious? these are not even in the same WORLD as any Klipsch speaker, and I like plenty of Klipsch speakers. These are on a whole 'nother level man. watch his videos and see his methodology and design philosophy and measurements.
Huuuummmmm this speakers with the audio note toonmeister ???? I wonder ??? :)
even at 15k the pair ...i still wonder with the toonmeister , and with a audio note dac then ??? huuuuuuuuummmmmmmm ,.......smooooooothhhhhhhh !
Would be awesome
This is NOT a horn speaker. This is a speaker with a horn tweeter. Probably the most beautiful horn tweeter I have ever seen, at that. This speaker only uses a 10 inch woofer. Not high efficiency, because it simply can not be, due to the laws of physics. It's also just another speaker based on the theme of the econowave. Trying to match directivity in the horizontal plane (at least), at the crossover point. That's about 1.3 kHz for most 10 inch. It's a beautiful work of art, but all these type 2-ways are a serious compromise. There are better ways to do things, especially in view of the $15k/price/per pair.
I will keep my tweaked Lascalas, thank you.
You're correct......................
Function follows form here. The form du'jour is narrow towers, which obviously limits the width of the woofer & horn. That's the 2-fold problem here.
Because it's too narrow, the woofer can't get low without having big excursion, rubber surround, inefficient, slow and power hungry like they are, compared to the complete opposite type driver their trying to mesh.
Because it's too narrow, the horn can't reproduce much at all in the mid-range. Combined with a 1" throat & driver, they just can't get down into the vocals where horns are so great.
Small subwoofers with narrow horns is NOT the way to go. "There are better ways to do things, especially in view of the $15k/price/per pair."
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He has many designs, and these are among the smaller ones. I agree... 15" is the correct size of woofer, and he has much bigger horns that cross WAY lower. So your comment is irrelevant, except that yes... the price is STEEP.
15 K...... well the woodwork is first rate so perhaps. i take it you liked these?
i have my answer now, i tought the price was about 7000 , but then i saw priced individually ,.....so almost 15k !?
while i have nor heard them , the drivers itself are far from being worth that ,
but as always with a speaker is the final result that matters ,
and yes....the woodwork is indeed first rate ,
LOVED is probably a better way to put it
@@MsCorbacho it's all in the design and woodwork, and yes it is expensive. JC makes and sells cost no object speakers at various price points... he NEVER selects drivers based on cost, he's NOT cost savings here. He tests hundreds of drivers and then chooses what to use based on his objective measurements and subjective impressions. Cost does NOT correlate with quality or performance characteristics - they are almost completely unrelated. If a more expensive driver worked better, he'd use it. Look at his website, he has COUNTLESS driver tests with TONS of measurements and details about each one. If a cheaper driver measures (in frequency response or distortion terms, and looking at various SPL's) and integrates better, then he will use it. That's doing proper design work, instead of thinking "cost more equals better!". He sells the cad files cheap so you can't really argue with the value; it's what his time and equipment is worth, based on the amount of investment from him, and based on demand, and he has plenty of demand. You can find some cheaper deals when not buying made-to-order speakers - if you check his website, he has some stock of some things, that go for less. His driver selection process is second to none I assure you. He's compared expensive field coil 15" woofers to a normal one, and the normal one performed better and had lower distortion, for example, for way less money.
I think his name is Crowe, not Crowley !! Come on!
I said Crowe! 😂
These are the best porn loudspeakers he's heard to date homie.
@@Jayiyagiwell you pronounced it like you had an "owie". 😅 Pretty sure it must be crow, like Russel Crowe. Right?? By the way it's awesome to see you reviewing these and getting him more exposure outside of the diy world!
@@Jayiyagi Silent E as in Russell Crowe
Ozzy Osbourne - Mr. Crowley
Shit & Giggles? 🤔
This is not a true horn. Try the best Tannoy this guy knows as much about horns as Eskimos know about hot beaches???
Watch his videos and look at his website, you don't know what you're talking about. This is one of his smaller designs for the record.
Jay……try not to damage your reputation……this speaker has a 6db peak at 8khz…..that’s NOT good and if you can’t hear that, that’s quite damaging.
That’s a funny way to read the graph. Thats really not a problem. As you can see, that vanishes in an in-room situation and you can always eq that if it bothers you
No they don't, not even by Jay's measurements let alone JC's. 3-4db at most is the peak, and guess what? there's this magical thing called EQ most audiophiles FOOLISHLY neglect. All horns need EQ'd... virtually all speakers need EQ'd. A complex crossover design IS essentially an electrical EQ of sorts to begin with, but is not the best way to address small issues... DSP is better for that.
@@Artcore103 EQ is a phase function….linear or non linear…..doesn’t matter. When you shift phase to modify response, you inherently create a phase anomaly. Take some time to research the recording process to understand some fundamentals as to why specific microphones and positions are chosen to specifically avoid having to EQ as much as possible. That bump is a resonance btw…..excite that frequency with a specific note or tone and it’s going to grate your ear drums. None of this comes from a position of audiophoolery or the sighted listening you folks are now practicing and trying to pass off as objective.
That is not a resonance as clearly shown in the impedance graph as well as the waterfall graph
@@Jayiyagi look at RCFs own measures of the ND350…..the highly smoothed impedance and response was unable to hide the blip at 8k which is obviously excited by Joe’s horn. We could argue all day here…..Joe’s a talented designer…..but this speaker is better served for high output crowd listening. As an engineer, one look at that graph tells me 20 minutes max for me of critical listening in the mid field. YMMV.
music makes u cry, not the gear. if a song makes u cry from 10 dollar speakers in a 1989 k10 truck. don’t expect much more from some 50 grand system etc.. 😎
There’s a reason people cry listening to the opera in-person as opposed to on tv