5 Tips for Drumming Odd Time Signatures
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Dudes. Here are 5 tips for playing drums in odd (complex) time signatures.
The video features "Tom Sawyer" by Rush, "15 Step" by Radiohead, "Whipping Post" by The Allman Brothers, and "Ra" by Jordan Rudess.
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I played 7/8 like ten minuets straight then did a regular 4/4 song and 4/4 suddenly felt weird and awkward.
There was a time where I did 5/4 so, I had to count 4/4 again. 5/4 is my favorite time signature.
7/8 has great flow when you think of it as a bar of 3 and then a bar of 4 or vise versa
@@jan_Travis I GREW UP listening to Cobham, Carl Palmer, MAGMa, and the rest... so when I finally got my first drum kit (this summer)... i instantly could play insane time sigs... but CANNOT PLAY ANY 4/4 TO SAVE MY LIFE. It's crazy! My brain wants the freedom of syncopation etc. ARGH!
@@dumpygoodness4086 I remember learning odd time not too long ago. The stuff is so awesome. Especially when you start alternating time signatures with yourself. Awesome stuff.
"Like Beethoven and dream theatre " 😹
🐺👅
Whats that song when he says that
Filip it’s almost sounds like it could be Dave Matthews to me but I’m not 100% sure
#2
Listen to the Hits!:
7/8: **TOM SAWYER INTENSIFIES**
I swear, tom sawyer is the hardest song I've tried playing 😂
I like it when a 7/8 tune is played in 4/4 so it goes in and out, if you know what I mean.
canturgan Why doesn't this have any likes?
canturgan boy do i have a band for you. If you havnt already heard of them, Meshuggah does this in every song and it's fuckig awesome
Daniel Villalobos I thought he was talking about Polymeters, but that too.
It's usually a 7/16 or 7/8 tune overlaid by 7/4. E.g. Sound of Muzak by Porcupine Tree, where it's 7/4 over 7/16
Jim Carrey on drums
You misspelled drugs. ;)
hahaha
maybe i should change my set similar to yours? but are you left handed or both? i'm right. thanx
you mean Danny
mateush998 If Jim Carey banged Ryan Reynolds...
Damn, you were RIPPIN that 7/8.
Very educating and entertaining. I dig your drumming too. It's one thing to explain, quite another to play it. Thanks for sharing.
The simplest way for me to feel a 7/8 rhythm is the bass line in pink floyd' Money.And what a great use of that time signature it is
simonsteamyhead Money isn’t in 7/8, it’s in 7/4
I always thought Money was 5/4. My mistake apparently
2:24 that splash stack stand thing is awesome
It should be referred to as "The Splash Zone."
If I can't be as good as you, I hope I can at least be as humble and easy-going
I find it quite easy to be humble, easy-going, and suck at drums, all at the same time.
yea......well....
he can play
wtf am I doin here? I barely know what a snare is
Elchinodiabolero gotta start somewhere!
Now you know what odd time is, so cool
Don’t worry, we all feel the same way...😂😂
This made me chuckle. I feel like that too sometimes. 😂🤣
I love these clips. I binge watch them over and over because there is so much subtle content in them that is hilarious and informative. Thank you for sharing with us!
Sting's "Ten Summoner's Tales" was my introduction to odd time. Vinnie Colaiuta groovin' in 5/4 and 7/8 :)
Love that cool Christmas tree 🎄 of splash cymbals up front .
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE. my dude, you have the gift, keep it passing on and on and... yeah before copyright laws get me for the lyrics I am singing in the comment, keep on swinging in the somewhat free world chief dude
I learned how to play 7/8 time by listening to Solsbury Hill...
...I do not reccomend learning to play 7/8 time by listening to Peter Gabriel.
this is the youtube channel i've been looking for
Best thing I teach students that actually should be playing an instrument is that hits off some off your points is counting,if you can count to 37'than what's the problem...it's about theory and pulse...so after they truly know what a whole note and a whole note rest is then we talk about the grid...not to sound like a know it all,bottom line what's the definition of a time signature? Top number is,number of counts fact, bottom number(here's the theory) pulse...it takes experience to define what the bottom number is but it puts you in range...as for foundation most drummers are taught wrong from day one...because they are not taught 2 things 1 rests are in equal in value as notes and 2 note duration....great job your vids are extremely informative and you are a true educational teacher and a great player
YES WHAT MRROB81-7-U2 SAID, SORRY ODD STROKE SIG. PERHAPS A REST?
My teacher said it Like this: the top number is how many of the bottom number there are in each bar.
damn this guy is good!
I use a combination of Mike Mangini's method and Mike Portnoy's method. Portnoy suggests breaking down big numbers into smaller numbers using simple arithmetic; however because there are always different ways of achieving the same answer, you use different methods to get to the desired time signature depending on the feel of the song and how natural you want it to sound. For example say I have a part in 15/8, I could make it feel natural by use of a bar of 12/8 (felt like a double length bar of 6/8) and then a measure of 3/8 added to the end. (I prefer using a jazz waltz feel for the 3/8 just so I can distinguish between the 12 and the 3), or unnatural by reaching 15 by using one bar of 7, and two bars of 4. Or again by using 7, 3, and 5. I see Portnoy's as being a tad bit more in depth as Mangini's because once you get into bigger numbers (into to teens 20s and 30s) you can only really feel the passes of 123 in triplets as you demonstrated in the section of 23. You could play that straight but it would be counter-intuitive to me at least. I use Mangini's as a fail-safe to Portnoy's. In a scenario when you don't have time to do calculations on top of the calculations you may be already doing (for example sight-reading a song or learning a new song that someone wrote in a band situation). If its not the right feel for the song then oh well you'll have time to do some calculations and make it right.
IV Tympanistam 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I love odd time signatures. It feels like a brain workout as well as a way to spark creativity. I particularly like 7/8 for some reason.
You're an incredible contributor into helping drumming new-blood picking up the ropes of multi-time signature Harry. During my half a century, plus, of performing, creating and teaching arts, there are not many times that I'm coming across educators that are charismatic in simplifying complex aspects of rudimentary issues and certainly you have what it takes Harry. I see very much of Mike Portnoy in you, I hope this is a compliment dude 🎶🥁😉.
Love the the left handed kit set up!
You can't beat good old fashioned counting. Dream Theatre? Yes were playing different time signatures back in the 60's but then they did have one of the greatest drummers of all time Mr Bill Bruford. That definitely helped.
Try playing Dirty Second Hands by switchfoot
Dude, you produce really good content holy shit..thanks.
Daamn, that last part was sick!
1:34 holy crap im listening to the radio and that song came on as you started drumming
You look like an American Gerrard Pique
Concerning the part at 4:08, I've been kind of waiting for this. It restricts creativity, always marking the "1" of every bar with an accent. And now I'm trying to find out how to break away from this intrinsic motivation of marking bars.
Basically, extending the accent on every two bars, to an accent on every four bars, to eight, to sixteen... to infinity....
I want to become the Zen Master of accentlessness. Making people forget the existence of bars and accents. Fluid music, with no emotional beginning or ending.
But then again, whatevs.
New drummer here and I'm struggling to set my kit up perfectly for my body and brain. I'm odd because I'm right handed but skateboard goofy/ left footed. The high hat to the right definitely seems to make sense to me.
Dude, you're fucking awesome. I'm an old shitty bass player who is picking up a guitar again after being away from it for 25 years. Now, I want to be a drummer. Thanks, Dude.
Nice little run through. Definitely learned a thing or two, thanks bud!
I learned how to play Tom Sawyer by Rush in high school. 6 years later I'm only now learning it's in 7/8. Guess I just felt the beat and said screw counting
I fucking love your floor tom.
I didn't know Chris Hemsworth played odd time signatures
Get on with it, Thor
Now I know who you remind me of. A cooler Jim Halpert. I realized it when you held up the pic of Pam.
Harry, I love your style.
I don’t know anything about what you said, but I’m still interested to learn. Really great vid!
glad you put "Rush" in there :)
Hah fantastic. Great information, straight to the point, and I dig your style man!
4:02 I need to know this filll!!!!
So annoying that rolands topline kit wont do 11/8 or 11/4 click! Our main writer is always accidentaly writing 11 and 13. love your work as per usual!
Why am I just finding this channel?
Kinda wish you'd done a count in on those musical examples in the beginning!
Dude, 15 step. Nice.
Subscribed for your stage faces
Super helpful! Thank you!
Dude. Your toms are 🔥
it hurts my mind to even begin to think about how odd timing works and how i cant hear it
Harry Selby played percussion for two years and I'm the same way
Harry Selby you need to listen to some music that uses odd time signatures. For 7, I recommend some Genesis: the cinema show (best melody ever), back in nyc, dance on a volcano, etc.
Its tough at first but it gets easier. Then you start playing odd times in a 4/4 situation so it grooves. Its fun.
@@matenorth Isn't that technically just Syncopation though? Giving the illusion of an odd time in a 4/4 situation.
@@djentrification1631 According to some teachers on youtube, syncopation means non ordinary, complex and hard rhythm for the listener to follow. What you described is more of a polymeter i think. I think integrating odd times in 4/4 is harder than playing just plain odd times. Check the band "Meshuggah" if you havent . Its the perfect example of this.
Keep it greasy so it’ll go down down easy.
(Thats in 19/16 for anyone educated in the greats.)
Steve French - Well, they were from an era when everyone actually learned to play their instruments.
“Roll it over and grease it down, I’ll drive you through the heart of town.” Or something like that I seem to recall.
The floor Tom sound like a floor Tom ! Uff! Pearl is Pearl in nice boomy sounds.
1:01 How do I know this is the dance of eternity based off clicks only??!?
Felken Yes! was hoping I wasn't the only one. .. probably from watching Portnoy's video of him counting.. and laughing at the absurdity.. eternally learning this song, ugh
Great tips, thanks
Weirdest thing is that fact that I've been playing these and haven't even noticed it lol
Rules for finding what to do for a living.
1) Watch this dude play the drums.
2) Find something that makes you make the faces he makes while clearly enjoying the hell out of playing the drums.
3) Done
Woah man, thanks for the tips!! Really helpful :)
0:26 sounds like Dave Matthews Band.
It is, it's the 7/8 Typical Situation jam
Someone can tell what was the song in 11/8
And maybe someone have a list of odd time signature songs?
Tnx
They're listed in the description. The sky is red by leprous is a great odd time signature song - 11/4 I believe
I’m a musician but not a drummer. The more I watch drumming vids, the more I respect what drummers do.
It's almost like an art within an art, haha. I remember when I first started playing roughly 4-ish years ago, I couldn't even fathom how they did it. It makes sense now, but it confused me so much (In a good way. Like, it enthralled me.) when I knew literally nothing about the matter. And I still am fascinated with all of it, hence the reason I stuck with it.
Really cool video, very helpful
Love this dude.
3:07 St Augustine in Hell by Sting :)
I love the Christmas tree 🎄 of splash cymbals
"Let's chew on it"
I realize this video is 6 years old, but I feel like it was a mistake not to mention 3/4, 6/8, 12/8 as "somewhat common" timesigs. Seems like most pop albums have at least one or two songs in 6.
was hoping to find Radiohead, not disappointed
Change the name to how to cover tool songs
Great stuff
Been listening to AAL and dream theater. I now feel obligated to master 7/8
what sorta odd ball drum setup is that dude my brain hurts just looking at it, and yet you play amazing DUDE !
Great video! Just subscribed. I do drum covers...if you could check one out, that would be awesome
Hit the like button as soon as I heard "Whipping Post" by Allman Bros
Aw man! You should have mentioned Hey Ya! by Outkast! It’s in 11/4 or something.
Great video man!! (Dude) Also, a good older song (that helped me with odd time on both drums and guitar) is Dig a Pony by the Beatles. I can't remember if the entire song is 5/4, but it still helped me SO much. Either that, or try to figure out what time signature Meshuggah is playing in 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"I have small resentments against each one of you" made me an "Instant Fan" today, and now I have learned something also! WTF is this geniusery...geniusry...geniusiery...Dude?
"i guarantee you'll get fired if you try to use these on a club gig" dude i cried
Damn ur toms sounds badass😵
I love how he played that Radiohead song
Damn good lessons man. You are a pro for sure. Check out my channel when u get a chance
FUN FACT: as a drummer, the only time sig I use is 1/1 (!!!) --- as long as all the musicians are in the SAME TEMPO, we call can drop accents anywhere we want. MUCH more fun and creative and interesting than TRADITION.
1:11 i could tell thats dream theatres metropolis lmfao
First of all, I love your videos and ur Carter love, he's my favorite drummer, but also very frustrating because. he's so good, I don't what he's doing half the time, what are those incredibly fast rolls he does, sound like triplets??, also been out of drumming for 30 yrs, any suggestions on how to get back in, can't have a kit, live in a condo, surely there are alternatives, I miss it so!!
7 Jam by Clutch is great for getting used to the feel of 7/8
In my opinion and experience nothing kills an odd time signature quicker than always putting a crash on the "1" yes it's important to know where "1" is but I've found to emphasize it so specifically makes things feel a bit to rigid for my taste. The classic songs we're familiar with that are in odd time do a great job of disguising the pattern. Anyway just a thought, I'm sure no one cares. Sick playing dude!
IMHO, the great thing about Rush, as opposed to (say) Dream Theater, is that their use of odd time signatures tends to be more musical and tasteful. Try "Leave That Thing Alone" for a great example, where Neil swings like the proverbial mother---- in the middle section, lays a totally straight beat under the guitar solo for contrast, before smoothly taking it home through a few tasteful odd changes. The sheer musicality puts a smile on my dial every time.
Subdivision is king. I have a song that’s 19/8… I wrote the guitar, it’s my song. I play bits and smash them together. When meshuggah became super prominent a lot of the drummers I knew would try to learn the whole, not the parts.
Awww R.I.P. Avicii - 2018 / feels bad man
Saw u on drumeo fucking great player Dude....and now found ur videos....thanks dude...subbed!!!
Wow; now that I don't drop acid anymore, these beats are so obviously and painfully uncool. It's hurting a part of my brain that makes feel like I am now retarded. I can't walk straight.
I used to think of odd time as this weird thing but with this video and Rob Brown's I see it's not as crazy as prog musicians make it seem.
Although I don't know if I can play any if you take my metronome away.
The majority of Emerson Lake and Palmer's 'Karn Evil 9' is an erratic and irregularly timed masterpiece. Give it a listen, mainly the 1st and 2nd impressions.
Those beats were definitely bad azz! I'm enjoying your sense of humor along with your incredible talent on the drums! :)
YOU LOOK LIKE DAVID WALTON !
I have a question that I’ll bet nobody has ever had the nerve to ask, he doesn’t play zildjian any more he’s a meinl guy now so what happen to all the zildjians he used to have? And if he isn’t using them would he be kind enough to give them to me? Just sayin.
Whats the song @ 0:26 ??
Yes, hold on to the "1", except there are 7/8 rhythms in the Balkans that are exactly ambiguous as to whether the "1" is on the quarter or on the dotted 8th, and that's music too. ruclips.net/video/Y9xCuSkT8zE/видео.html
JESUS CHRIST HARRY, GET A RACK SYSTEM!!! THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE EVERYTHING!!!!!
I have no idea what the hell is going on. I've been drumming for 2 years and I am only just starting to get the hang of counting while playing. Rhythm is frustrating as hell