Windvane Versus Auto Pilot
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- Windvane versus autopilot, what one will you choose? What to know, how to compare, learn the differences, and see how the different styles of windvane work.
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wind vane contra autopilot. A combination of wind rudder and autopilot is by far the best and most economical both in terms of price and durability. I used the smallest Autohelm 800 which in connection with wind plate fully controlled the course of the boat. My wind rudder is an Aries that works in the same way as almost all other wind rudders
Good explanation, I’m saving this one
Cristal clear video. Thanks a lot. Offshore shorthanded we are using both even I like to be a lot on the helm. It always depends on the weather which one we use. Go ahead with your Channel. Fair winds!
Thank you so much, short handed and off shore they are priceless
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11:42. I installed both. On the ICW or short leg days with a lot of maneuvering the AP is fine. The power consumption for a day is ok. For longer legs or just about any sailing in open water I use the WV. I don't have the most robust AP but it has stopped working for short periods now and then for no apparent reason I have been able to find yet. The WV is my preferred method. It is easy to set up, fine tune, steers silently, no power consumption and most are very robust. If the winds drop very low or I'm under power then obviously the AP will be the choice. Haven't used the WV a lot in low winds but she seems to work ok if I'm more than ghosting. I really enjoy having both but if I had to choose one it would be a really tough choice. Leaning towards the WV but I get my use out of both.
Great choices, both is really the ideal set up when possible
The pigeon playing chess remark was perfect…describes it to a T. When you take your nap singlehanded with an electronic autopilot its a game of Russian roulette. With a Monitor worst case your a couple of miles off track. That is way better than a crash jibe and dead…
Hah :)
Very good video,
We sailed twice around the world on Windora a 43 ft vessel, balanced rudder using an electric autopilot not hydrolic. Average 1 amp per hour at 12 volts. At up. over 12 knots of boat speed you needed to hand steer or reef down.
Phil and Lynda
Are you two still sailing ?
Yes
On Thursday we leave Nelson to sail down to Milford Sound in Fiordland this well be our third visit, then back down to Stewart Island, probably be away 5 to 6 months over winter. And yourself what are you up to sailing wise
Phil and Lynda
@@philandlyndachristieson8808 currently in Puerto Rico, sailed from key west last July, covid stopped me here on my way to Grenada, dad had a stroke in October and boats been sitting since then as I'm taking care of him. Listed boat for sale today , will sell and upgrade 😉 as soon as the market gets some more boats
Sounds like you're got your hands full. We were lucky enough to arrive back in NZ last year, with all the shit thats going down. This trip was 6 1/2 years, there's a couple of videos on RUclips it's not something I'm very good at
Phil
Ahh youtube is a full time job, I calculated i currently make 1.19 dollars an hour from it so I'd say your not missing much
Excellent video!!! Makes perfect sense to choose based on where you will be sailing. I'm saving up to sail around the Caribbean area so an Auto Pilot makes more sense
Perfect 👌 I’m in the Caribbean now and wouldn’t sail here without one
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I have both on 29 foot: ST2000+ and Windpilot Pacific Light.
I have a tiller autopilot, raymarine St 2000 +, it works great when the wind is consistent but on my hunter 27 when I get weather helm where the wind changes at all the autopilot quickly cannot keep up as it only can move the rudder maybe 30 degrees in either direction. So sometimes it will just throw you off the wind because of a wave pushing you and give up
Love the channel good points for sure. My First 40.7 has an electronic auto helm. I can use the wind angle or compass course. It can steer better than any human can. It's a B&G H5000 under deck system with a ram. Note all the Vendee Globe boats use electronic auto pilots with wind angle steering and they sail around the world. Thanks again for you channel.
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Great video. Thank you!
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment
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Peace of mind
Absolutely
He does mention it but linking an electric autopilot to a wind sensor is a really great option. Most boats already have the ind sensor fitted so no extra cost. For coastal sailing this gives the option to gain the efficiency benefits of a wind vane for those who only do occasional open sea passages without the investment in a wind vane. I would always fit an electric autopilot first especially short handed but definitely see the wind vane as essential equipment offshore.
Why is a wind vane not for cats? Surely one could have 2 or connect to the cable steering?
Various reasons, you cN put a hydrovane on cats but as far as I know thats the only one that will work on cats.
Wind steering. How do you hook it up to a 1 or 2 steering wheel boat ?
Thats what a wind vane does
I am living in europe and i am planning to cross the atlantic and go cruising in the caribbien for the next 5 years due to budget i really only have budget for one since i am a solo sailor i would say that i have to go with an autopilot ?
Great video!
Thanks for watching and commenting
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agree
👍!!..i have a auxiliary rudder system on my 35ft full keel
Nice, how do you like it ?
@@ChasingLatitudes its great..except when it comes loose when backing up(ask me how i know this😅)
@@bryrensexton4618 😂😂😂 that’s the best
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My raymarine auto pilot will track an angle to the apparent wind or compus heading
Why not add solar/wind and batteries to power the auto-pilot? It seems both system could work together for coastal and bluewater sailing.
Tiller auto pilot but rather than connecting it to the tiller connect it to the trim tab.
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If you sail the Atlantic to get to the Carribean, you need both. There seems to be no silver bullet as it depends on where you sail. Nevertheless interesting information.
Both
Ask any 40 foot Cat owner and its Auto all the way around the world and back for over 20 years. Smaller yachts use windvane.
Every time 😉
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What about steering a rudder controlled by a sail?
That's a windvane
My problems with the wind vane is that we have a drop down swim platform that also holds the dinghy in the back
I do as well, I don't have a Wind vane for that
reason. I wont install a hydro vane due to the requirements for installation and the cumbersome cosmetics of it.
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Great vid. I´ve been searching to buy my very first boat for the past several weeks, and the last thing that crossed my mind is that I also need the boat to have the proper design for the windvane. So stupid of me!
About the Hydrovane, I like the redundancy of the second rudder in case the first one get damaged, but, if I were to cross a fishing line or impact something, wouldn´t it be possible that BOTH rudders got damaged simultaneously? Doesn´t it have any kind of impact protection? (I still have nightmares with the family that lost their 57ft forever due to the damaged rudder...)
Pop on over to the members are and we can have an in depth discussion about all your concerns, I'd be happy to go over all pros and cons, safety, design and much more. If your serious about buying a sailboat I can help. Its only 15 per month on the patreon members area and you can cancel any time
@@ChasingLatitudes My friend, not to be mean to you, but I´ve been on RUclips since 2006, written thousands of comments about every topic under the sun, and this is the very first time someone asks me to pay a recurring subscription for asking a simple question.
I realize perhaps this might be your only source of income, but even then, I still find it the absolutely opposite way to go about it.
Anyway, best of lucks.
@@1650million maybe I misunderstood your question. I had assumed you had several questions that you would like some help with an on my members are we can simply chat live in person and spend an hour or so live chatting about your concerns. If you just have some questions then heck yeah ask away and I am more than happy to help, I thought you were referring to my consultation service that I offer through patreon is why I said that.
@@1650million when it comes to rudders, this is simply hype, you hear drastic stories Bout a rudder issue and boom its talked about for 20 years. The reality is its very unlikely for something to miss your keel and hit you rudder, your keel sits lower than you rudders , something needs to swing around the keel and somehow snag your rudder, higher chance of getting struck by lightning in reality 😉
For us, not a question of which to have but rather the decision to add a wind vane. Autopilot is like having a 3rd crew member when getting ready to set sail or geeking lines and fenders out before docking.
100%agree
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Aye m8, so far I haven’t seen a better windvane than the Wharram design. It is a double system, on on each hull and operates with trim rudders. Can it be more easy and durable? Then one can add a autopilot of desired type.
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Just watched it. More nuanced and more details. 👍🏽
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Both 👌👌👌👌👌
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'Piece of mind!' lol...
At 5:34 it is a picture of captain Fatty Goodlander on his 43 foot ketch Ganesh
Hydrovane self steering (I far prefer an auxiliary rudder vane over the servo pendulum vanes, no control lines and a second rudder if main steerage fails) Another advantage of an auxiliary rudder vane over servo pendulum vanes is that they can be mounted offset on the transom. The Van De Stadt 34' I'm negotiating on has a pelagic tiller pilot and a second redundant autopilot and I'd be adding a hydrovane.
I think any prudent sailor would have both, and a second autopilot is a good move
Couldn't agree more, I have two autopilots as a hydrovane for my boat is not really an option dur to my swim platform. I could get one but it would add what I consider to be to big of a hinderance for the swim platform. I may be swapping boats shortly and going a bit bigger but not sure just yet
@@ChasingLatitudes yip, also an issue with davits and a solar/ radar arcb on transom, horses for courses, as Im planning a solo Atlantic crossing it's my best and safest configuration
@@jonnorousseau3096 Oh then absolutely yes 100% for you , it will be a lifesaver in that scenario for sure.
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I 💕 my Monitor Wind Vane ..I have a tiller Auto Pilot Also , I can’t remember what storage compartment it’s in!🤪
Good Video!
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I also prefer an electric autopilot, some people say that an electric autopilot can break down, but in my opinion they are both equally reliable, because components of a windvane can corode. Most modern boats have an autopilot system that is connected to the little arrow on the top of the mast that allows the autopilot to steer just like a windvane does. My Bavaria 46 is equipped with one of those autopilots (I use a raymarine autopilot) and I can report to you that it works very well (just to prove that I own that boat here's a link to the website of my charter company waypoint.hr/yacht-charter-croatia/bavaria-cruiser-46-2017 ). Also another benefit to an electric autopilot is that if it sees a dangerous target on the chart plotter it will often steer away from that dangerous target and throw up a sound warning, at least that's how mine works. The energy consumption is very minimal, and the only real disadvantage that I see in an electric autopilot is that it doesn't act like an emergency rudder. P.S. I just subscribed, I really like your content😀
Thank you for the subscribe and taking the time to comment. I agree with everything you said as well. My boat is similar to yours so putting a SPS windvane will not work on my boat at all due to the swim platform. A hydrovane I will not install for numerous reasons. I am perfectly happy with my auto pilot
@@ChasingLatitudes hello. Could you elaborate more on what your thoughts are about the hydrovane, and why you don't like it. Or why you wouldn't use one. I have a guy next to me who just installed one. Thanks for your time in making these videos.
@@greasegun2849 they can be absolutely fantastic, they have some cons as I mentioned in the video. No break away point in you hit something it’s going to rip off a large section of your boat if hit hard enough , not a huge deal as it’s unlikely. No way to lift it out of the water to clear debris. But mainly because of where I am in the Caribbean I would rarely use one as I need a compass setting that’s followed to the T due to all the shallow spots, coral heads and underwater shelves. If I do a crossing in the next two years I would most likely get one . Comes down to mainly the type of sailing I’m doing here
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I don't know but I've been told that if you you have a well-balanced boat and keep the sails properly trimmed you don't need any auto pilot system to maintain a straight course most of the time.
You can absolutely achieve this, the downfalls of not having one are bad weather, helming is exhausting in bad weather after a very short amount of time. It comes down to how long are your trips? An afternoon sail, sure no problem totally fine. Going offshore for a few days its a good idea to have one. If crossing an ocean they are an absolute must.
Yes but not many production boats can handle this
@@davidwarnes5158 my boat cannot be equipped with a windvane due to the transom and I’m also in the Caribbean so currently no extreme need for one 😁
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thanx for the video. horses for the courses. To my humble knowledge, windvane will pay off on circumnavigation with lots of long passages. otherwise, it is a excessive burden on boat. fairs winds.
100 percent , with me being in the Caribbean I have no need for one and with my style of boat it wouldn’t work without some serious modifications
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With a wind vane you have to be able to sail, trim sails .anyone can push a button.
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Both. I prefer redundancy. Electronics can fail
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@@ChasingLatitudes I did last night
@@PaulBartomioli never got one jointheadventure@how2sailing.com
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Its 'peace]'of mind! Not piece, Cor Blimey.
😢 I hate it when my auto correct does that and I don’t catch it. So easy to miss that stuff as these videos take me roughly 30 hours each
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DON'T THEY HAVE ELECTRIC AUTOPILOTS THAT WILL STEER A RELATIVE WIND COURSE?
Yes, as long as your auto pilot is equipped with a wind sensor. I mentioned that in the vid but I think I went over that detail to fast
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