2022 Subaru BRZ vs. 2022 BMW 230i - POV Drag Race
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Filmed at the Champion Motor Speedway at M1 Concourse m1concourse.com/
2022 BMW 230i Coupe: From $36,350
255 hp 2.0-liter BMW TwinPower Turbo inline 4-cylinder. 16-valve engine
with variable valve control (Double-VANOS and Valvetronic) and high-precision direct injection
8-speed Sport Automatic transmission, rear wheel drive
Dimensions: 179″ L x 72″ W x 55″ H
Curb weight: 3,519 lbs
MPG: 26 city / 35 highway
Cargo volume: 10 ft³
2022 Subaru BRZ Premium 6-Speed Manual
Color: World Rally Blue Pearl
MSRP: $27,995
MPG: 20 city / 27 highway
Horsepower: 228 hp @ 7,000 rpm
Engine: 2.4 L 4-cylinder
Curb weight: 2,815 lbs
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Dimensions: 168″ L x 70″ W x 52″ H
-225/50R16 Toyo Proxes R888 tires on satin black Rota Slipstream wheels - 16x7, 5x100, 40mm offset, 14.2 lbs
-StopTech STR-600 high performance brake fluid
-Disabled active sound control, clutch helper spring removed
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"I had an itch. A mosquito was in the car." I bet you've heard some very interesting excuses over the years, Topher!
Looking forward to seeing your mods on the BRZ in future videos!
I will never get tired of you making videos on your Brz I love that car!
I said this earlier. I sold my 2018 BMW M240i 2 months ago to get a BRZ. I also have a manual 2018 Mazda 3 GT. When I relized my Mazda was more enjoyable to drive than my BMW I knew it was time to get a BRZ. I saw someone say on YoouTube lightness is a diasease, well a light car with a nice manual transmission is the ideal combination.
Appreciate the insight. Any thoughts on new type-r and how that might affect this equation?
I’ve been thinking about doing the same (selling my 16’ m235i for a GR86/BRZ) as my daily.
Any last considerations/reflection?
@@retrograde11 I still haven't got my BRZ yet but it sounds like it will be more fun to drive than a Type R.
@@On2thakneppz1 I still haven't got my BRZ yet but it sounds like it will be more fun to drive than a Type R.
No, just anxiously waiting for my BRZ.
Oh, feel the burn. Topher2 to Topher "I'll go in manual mode so I can mess up my shifts too"
Thank you for doing this. Trying to decide between the two and all this info helps a lot!
im on the same dilemma. So which car did you end up buying? I'm considering about the 230 due to it's faster and better interior but worried about the BMW Reliability. .
@@bj10jgoBMW had reliability issues back in days but the new ones including the B48/58 are very solid engines. They been ranked as some of the best engines out their
Actually hard deciding between a BRZ or springing for the M240i right now lol (value vs. Performace)
I mean that' s a completely different price point. 30k vs 50k.
You’d probably have a much easier time actually finding the M240i. They’re really not comparable though. BRZ/86 is much more of a drivers car.
BRZ/GR86s are impossible to find in my area. The dealerships in my state get like two allocations and they’re unfortunately the automatic transmission, marked up to like $38,000 lol and they’re already sold while in transit. You’ll definitely have an easier time finding a M240i, maybe without much markups. Both are excellent cars though, can’t go wrong with either decision.
Imagine what will be better outside warranty in a few year years. I like bmw but that subie will cost so much less as the miles rack up.
Apples to oranges but yea, like others have said if you want speed and some luxuries get the 240i. If you want to ring it out and hoon around on a budget get the brz.
Loving the meaty look. Small wheels ftw!!! I have OG Hyper Blue 15” 5x114.3 TE’s on my 10th gen Civic. 10lbs each.
I hate manufacturers fetish for bigger wheels and more expensive tires, they weigh more and are expensive.
Hard to say...
Fast car vs Fun car
(2.0 Turbo +8AT) vs (228Hp NA + 6MT)
I choose fun car. #savethemanual
No long live the manuals? No long live N/A?
@@candlercando he said fun car not fast lmao, so BRZ
Fast = Fun what da fuk?
150tq?
What would make you think a 230i is not fun? It is still relatively light and can drift. Also it is fast enough to smoke all other 4 bangers minus the Civic R. I wouldn’t call it fast but it also isn’t in V8 territory. It is a nice middle ground for performance and practicality while remaining RWD. You can’t go wrong with either. Like TheTopher said, if you can swing it then try to for for the 230i instead.
Oh man. The boys on the 2series FB page are going to love this. I’m posting this everywhere. Lol
Yeah the considerably more expensive car is also faster. Shocking.
@@milesfathi 230i starts at $37k and the auto BRZ/86 is around $32 and with mark ups they usually sell around $35k. They are closer than you think. The 2 series can get up to $50k if you get stupid with the options list but other than that they aren’t as far apart on price as you think.
@@postalpancho wtf are you saying, the brz starts at 28k and the 230i is 37k? i just went to the dealer and within an hour got mine with zero markups, delivered in 2 weeks.
@@WoWDwArfRusSiAn nobody is paying $28 for a BRZ in the current market. Quit acting like you don’t have access to google.
@@postalpancho I know two people who did get these cars at MSRP here in Canada.
230i with downpipe and simple tune (320hp) - great affordable daily
Right! (Including a cold air intake and an upgraded charge pipe and intercooler if wanted) And it will remain reliable because it's a B48!
I've got a deposit on order for a GR86. Really curious how it'll compare to my 2014 228 which is a manual, RWD, and has the older N20 motor in a straight line.
I had a ‘15 manual 228 and wish I never sold it. Lmk if you’re selling yours
GR86 is such a great daily and crazy fun but I hope you're not giving up the 228, those are fun and quick too!
How are those timing chain guides holding up?
Those Topher Shifts are Quick.
The BMW reminds me of my 2.0 Giulia. I traded it in for the 2022 BRZ. A bit of a straight line power downgrade but much more fun to drive everyday!
Lol. I went the other way. FRS to BMW
The bmw cannot compare to the giulia imo.
I was debating if I wanted to pay up for the 240i even though its kinda out of my budget but damn... the 230 pulls
if its out of your budget, dont consider! I have many regrets from my younger days
@@flush_entity I'm only 27 but I can relate.
Get the 230i and a chip tune ;)
That's my plan
Can you race the 2019 GLI against the BRZ please?
Topher, how does this car compare in terms of driving engagement vs the new Z?
These are cars for you and the road. You don’t buy 86/BRZ with the intent of winning drags. I’d still rather the BRZ on a backroad any day.
I just traded my manual 2018 M240i for a 2023 BRZ. The BMW was fast and a nice highway car but was not a fun car.
???
If I had to guess, the B58 power plant pulled hard and was nice for closing gaps and cruising in relative comfort, but the BRZ is lighter on its feet, you can rev it out and have to work harder for the power, and lets you have a smile on your face even while within the speed limits 🤣
@@herbbruce Ask me a question and I will answer but the M240i didn't shift smoothly (Like Mazdas and Hondas have had) and I didn't enjoy driving it.
@@martineshleman7101 Lots of power but not sporty anymore
Damn what a downgrade
Thanks!
Thank you!!
faster doesn't always mean the "most fun" or "the best". it just means faster. a turbo-4 cyl car beats a naturally aspirated car (with slightly more displacement); not a news flash. then, the turbo car also has launch control. BRZ still wins because you actually have to drive it, unlike the Ultimate-sit in the seat/push 3 buttons and one pedal-Machine. It's like a pro cleaning up at a high-school game...
“BRZ still wins because you actually have to drive it” Huh??? Okayyy Mr.Participation Trophy, you really came to comment this on a drag race video? Thats the whole point…
The race is still interesting considering the fact that BMW is 700lbs heavier. Even if they were both manual, the BMW would win because of torque alone, and that’s impressive for a car that heavy. I actually thought the BRZ would win based on weight alone but you can’t do shit without torque in a straight
@@SuchFinessse...maybe I should have clarified the BRZ/86 win in my book as I prefer three pedals. Heavier or not, the BMW can deliver its (under-rater) torque 4k rpm sooner and maintain that level until the next shift. Sure, it was a "fun/casual" race, but it just showed me that the more powerful, more expensive, 8spd automatic car can walk away from brz/86. That's why I don't race anyone in my WRX, or entertain their urging me "you wanna go bro" because I know a 4 cyl Camry or V6 Challenger will more than likely do the same as the BMW.
@@K03sport I’m snippy sometimes. I thought you were one of those complainers. Totally agree, the BRZ is a dub over the 230i. That thing is soulless, bulky, and kinda ugly. Not to mention the vague steering and boat weight for a coupe with that power. I wish BMW would just make another NA car with the N52 that “competes” with the brz (not in price lol)
@@SuchFinessse...if BMW could leave their "luxury" vibe behind and build a plebian car (even MINI has luxury pretentious vibes and it shouldn't) that does great BMW things without the bloat (aka a modern 2002), then that would be a great car. But to have to get a $50k M2cs (w/ gold wheels) for "old" BMW essence is a bit much. BMW has a certain plan for the future and it's focused on luxury and electricity and not fun to drive back roads commuter.
oh man brz is slower than a sack of potatoes.
Theirs no way someone saw BMW vs Subaru and thought, yeah Subaru's got a chance
Man I am loving those wheels
The 230i keeps appearing on the channel... which one of you two is going to end up springing for your own? 😂 I'd actually love to see a long term on that car...
I have a 230i and I love I actually did a 60 roll with a gt and was able to keep up
Any mods or a tune on it? I can recommend a few. I'm going to get mine to about 320-340 WHP.
Do you use a GoPro head mount?
That low end torque will get ya..
Hye topher..
I'm really love your videos
And I wish you tell me about ( the name of music you use them to try the sound system in the cars )
And I'm thankful to you ❤
What exhaust are you thinking of putting on here
The BMW is ""cheating"" via a Turbo and 120 more Torque but it's so close. 2022 -2025 BRZ is def my next buy 100%. BRZ / GR86 def has more than 228 HP. More like 245-250HP at the flywheel
The twins make around 212-218 on the dyno from what I’ve seen from publications and owners. That BMW makes more than 250 at the wheel. Not surprising at all especially with the transmission difference
@@bim1376 The 2022+ twins are exactly what i've been waiting for. Skipped the older ones
Close? The BMW had at least 2 car lengths and they only went to 80mph. They aren’t even in the same league. The 230i will smoke an STI with ease.
@@postalpancho smoke an STI? On gravel? Or just in straight line? Or maybe to the local cafe to pick up a coffee.
@@postalpancho Seriously though, 2004 spec C can do 0-100kmph in 3.8 seconds or so with minor mods (no engine mods) - just minor weight reduction like removing spare tire from back, tools, light weight wheels, etc. And they aren't drag cars either of course, but cars made for off-road, or tight Japanese mountain roads, etc.
I think I saw that 2 series at the first car meet at m1 concourse this year
The BMW is on another planet :)
A slightly use 230i cost about the same as a new GR86. I want the 230i but am concern about yhe reliability of BMW. Does the 230i seem like a car that can be kept for 10-15 years without major issues?
The 2.0 liter turbo has very good reliability across the BMW line up the last 10 years or so. It’s also pretty efficient. In general the 2 series has some excellent reliability ratings compared to other models.
You'll do fine. These B48/B58 engines are so reliable that even Toyota approves. I put 105k kms on my 2018 230i no problems. New owner put 180k kms on it already and still no problems. Part of the reason why we put so much mileage on that car is that its so efficient. I averaged 7.5L/100km or 31mpg if you're American
The BRZ is probably the only car that you can still love even if it didn't win lol.
Haha we’re used to being slower than just about everything except a Prius. And watch the next-gen Prius be fast.
@@TheTopher 😂 The BRZ is honest and pure that's one of reason I love it.
once those brakes burn up topher you plan on putting ceramic brake pads on that brz?
Porterfield R4S set is in the garage!
are you no lifting shift those
The brz makes over 230 to the wheels on the dyno. Both underrated
And the 230 makes more than 255 that BMW rates it at.
This video was so entertaining from start to finish. 😎
Love how the BRZ sounds on the track without the fake engine sound.
Funny thing is several people have mentioned that without the fake engine noise, they can't hear the engine hitting redline on track.
@@KTH96 I've also seen this a couple times. Exhaust is a must for this car if you're turning off the pumped in noise
@@KTH96 with a helmet maybe. I have gr86 and on the street the engine is pretty loud without the fake noise. The only downside to killing the fake noise is that this engine has a lot of imperfections specially between 4500 and 6000 rpm, and you hear all of it.
@@milesfathi imperfections?? I’m curious to hear about that. Planning on buying this car soon and wanna know more about it
@@Anthony-en5ov It's a couple of things. The car idles pretty rough specially when it's still cold. Also I hear a change in engine note between 4500 and 6000 rpm. It's specially noticeable if you let go of the gas pedal in that range. It's like a rattly overhang sound. The dealership says it's normal and "just a characteristic of the boxer engine". It does make great power though and is pretty rev happy. When the peak torque comes on it amost feels like force induction in these new ones. Just don't expect a smooth engine like the one in the mx5 or any of the German inline sixs.
People were putting the 86 on the dyno and finding it made 250 something to the crank so how is the bmw still beating it when it weighs 700 pounds more
better transmission and German cars often underrate their performance especially bmw and Audi
@@KO-iw3vu they gotta be rating it 100 horsepower under or something
BMW underrate the power of their engines for sure.
The 230i makes 250+whp it's been proven who have dynoed these things so 250+rwhp with way more torque througout the rpm range as compared to brz coz of being turbo plus a better zf transmission is easily a win for the bmw
yeah transmission makes a big difference. It's part of why those WRC cars were so fast with only 300hp.
Bimmer should have a stick?
Yes it would've been an epic budget BMW because these B48 can easily be tuned to ~315bhp. But BMW wants you to pay for overpriced M2. Screw them.
"i have an itch" lol
Love the BRZ but Against a new BMW? Heck a 2022 stock BRZ can't even beat a old 2008 BMW 128 base automatic in the quarter mile!
"0-to-60-mph acceleration happening in 5.8 seconds and the quarter-mile in 14.5 at 96 mph." BRZ is 5.4 and 13.9, You are so full of BS it's not even funny.
If anything, this drag race illustrates just how fast "slow" cars have gotten.
Reminds me of all the people comparing the BRZ to the S2000 and saying that the S2000 is still a beast today but... that actually makes the s2000 look bad because it was near the price range of a porsche boxster back then so of course it was going to be faster than the average car at the time. But if you look at how fast the base boxsters are now, and the price. The s2000 is a very slow car now for the money and says a lot about how fast the "cheap" and "slow" cars are these days.
Couple car lengths lol that’s more like bus 🚌 lengths 😂
You might be pleased to know... that when watching this on my LG TV (with subtitles activated) it literally wrote “[applause]” for the subtitle when you were revving it out while doing laps.
Seriously. That’s how it auto-translated the engine sound of your BRZ!
In contrast, the quiet BMW did not get this (or any other) engine sound auto translation.
The BRZ just needs a turbo. I would still pick the BRZ over the BMW because it's far more attractive and cheaper.
It really doesn't need a turbo.
That power is enough for road and it's fun machine not 992 turbo S drag rival.
No. There will never be a turbo in the brz, it would ruin it.
@@carsonj4031 You mean how all those amazing turbocharged and superchargerd by their owners BRZ were "ruined"? OK then. Enjoy getting spanked by a Corolla.
@@idokwatcher2062 Haha! I sure would be upset if I got spanked by a grocery-getter, man!
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2 very good cars, 230i is underrated like most BMWs, and BRZ is underrated in horsepower as well!!! This is what an extra $6000 gets you in the 230i, more horsepower, better interior, good handling, but heavier. The BRZ is perfect as is for a $30k car, light, spartan interior, a driver's car.
Indeed. Here in EU though, especially in my country, Greece, the BRZ/GR86 is an even worse proposition. Due to severe taxes to ICE cars depending on displacement and CO2 emissions, the BRZ is VERY expensive, almost double the price it has in the USA. The 230i even with many options is around the same price, and really, there is no comparison in terms of luxury and practicality. Sure the BRZ/GR86 is more nimble (and better looking), plus it is NA which is great for longevity, but other than that it just handles a little better, all the while it is slower and burns far more fuel. Plus the automatic GR86/BRZ is even slower while you get one of the best automatics in the business in the 230i, and with the limited slip differential, it handles pretty close to the BRZ.
what happen to the lightweight BRZ, why is it so slow ?
The BRZ has always been slow lol
@@KTH96 Ok but why ?
@@alengreen589 Because it only makes 210ish whp. It's slow in a straight line against most sporty cars, but that's not the point of the car. The point is that you can actually push the car and have fun on public roads without driving double or triple the speed limit. For context, something like a GT350 can't be rev'd out in any gear except for first without breaking the law. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a high-revving engine when you are constantly risking a fine/jail time just to experience it on the road.
No torque. Torque wins drag races.
@@alengreen589 Because at the BRZ was never designed for outright speed. It wouldn't be possible at its price point.
You buy a BRZ before you want a focused RWD chassis for tackling tracks or your favorite mountain road. The NA engine lacks the sheer power of turbocharged engines, but it makes up for it with better response, higher redline, and more linear power delivery. It's a pure driver's car.
2 cars length? more like 5!
I feel like you got angry how at how the bmw wins😂
Not a tough choice for me. I think the BMW is ugly as sin. Huge downgrade from the last generation
30-90mph doesn’t even count as a race lol
Sorry but I can’t think of a slower car than the BRZ
The old BRZ.
Pretty useless without lap time comparisons too... of course 99.99% motorists know BM got the drag race thing down pat.
your shifting is so bad for drag racing )
Bmw be wonderful with manual
I have an older 2 series with a stick. Just fabulous.
@@herbbruce my son has 19’ M2 it’s awesome
@@BrogeKilrain Jealous.
@@herbbruce me too 😆 I gave him my old BRZ to drive to college. He graduated last year got good bank job .
3:47 Haha
bingo bango
Right on the money
Drag racing a BRZ is nonsense. Subaru NA motors suck.
lol beat by a 230i
That's a given. lol The 230 is pretty quick.
2800 pounds and 228hp but still wont beat a 2950 pound 228hp gti, in fact it will get gapppped
Is this on video somewhere?
Also the BRZ has way less torque than the GTI (184 lb-ft vs 258-273lb-ft)
@@XAMPOL my friends have the new and the older 86, they themselves said it's horrendously slow. I even beat a 5.7L 2020 Charger with the 2019 GTI (only catback)
GTI is also FWD and pretty bland in terms of driving dynamics.
@@KTH96 One of the best driving experiences is GTI's and fwd doesn't matter, in fact, I drove two rwd cars before going for the gti. Every person who drove my car wanted a gti no cap. My friend drove my car back in 2019 and bought a gti a week later, he had 2018 A250.
It's such a shame this slow BRZ is the last affordable "sports" car, if you can even call it that.
ok i had to watch this, a BMW and a Subaru BRZ racing?
Yup, just as a thought... lol
shiiiiieeet
In the immortal words of Sammy Davis Jr. in Cannonball Run, "Take that piece of shit back to the junk yard!"
lol
j/k
I mean, it's a subaru engine. Lol
The interior of that Subaru is horrible. OMG
Yeah, I sat in one and then sat in a 230i and I immediately knew the 230i was the one for me. The 86/BRZ only does one thing good and sucks at everything else. 230i makes for a much better daily.
@@postalpancho what year is your 230? Been debating to get the GR86 or 2023 230.. have you had any issues with your 230?
Looks like it was from the early 2000s
BMW 2 series is faster than the Subaru BRZ