In the uk they make you insulate the floor before putting underfloor heating so it reflects the heat back towards you rather than heating the underside of the rocks etc. Also they insist on the wire mesh to be elevated so the concrete is totally surrounding the wire mesh. Strange how different construction is for different countries. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Same here in The Netherlands and Belgium. Concrete -> Insulation -> Underfloor heating -> Top floor. The wire mesh inside the concrete slab also need to be elevated so it prevent the the concrete from cracking and make it one big strong floor plate.
No no no, we have standards also, this is just an example of work being done without construction background. The wwf should have risers under it, this will just turn into rework down the road, but it’s ok bc he’s rich and the hit won’t be a dent to his pocket book.
In this instance the wire mesh is not used for structural integrity, it is simply being used to hold the radiant pipe in place. I have successfully used this method in thousands of jobs over the last 30 years.
The wire mesh is supposed to be elevated and sitting on chairs so the concrete can flow beneath it. Your basement slab is now an unreinforced slab of concrete that is going to crack all over the place. You are also supposed to insulate under the radiant floor otherwise you wasting all your energy heating the ground.
I have radiant floor heating retrofit to my whole house and I don't see where heat will be wasted if you have proper insulation in the wall and windows. We did wood subflooring above the hoses. Mostly because we don't have 20k to have a slab laid after buying the house. Our floors are warm and there's no issue with heat lost to extent that it will be noticable. The way he's doing it is much more professional and efficient. My heating bill right now is half of what I was paying in a apartment half the size with forced induction lmao. I'm not worried at all about energy loss.
He is right... the under side should be insulated, usually with expanded polystyrene foil faced sheets, AND the mesh should be up in the concrete, not at the bottom..
Mr. spaghetti runs his radiant floor pex better than your average NYC plumber. Did you know that the average NYC plumbers charge $200-300/hr for this work?
Wow, I woulda been a helper at only $100/hr 😂 Be interesting to see what the tiles look like on the back porch. The smiley face is priceless… and btw Mr. Crowley, I’ve loved your comments for years, not sure who started the Mr. Spaghetti thing but it always brightens my day
Merry belated Christmas, love your channel everything you showcase, but I really Love everything you are posting on Houses! Radiant floors are exactly what I want to be the central part of our future Home, dumb as this sounds but a Bidet as well! Again Merry belated Christmas, Happy New Year’s&2022!! Keep the Kncredible videos coming!
Another installer claims it's is just there to secure the piping and not intended for structural. IMO some landscape fabric stakes would work just fine then
I see towards the end of the video the insulation for the radiant floor, although the pad for the basement is already poured. When I put up my pole building I used the same type of insulation to put down as the vapor barrier/insulation because of the ease of install for the pex tubing. No zip ties or mesh required which saved time. There is also a thermostat that went in between my last run to capture the temperature of the slab so that it doesn’t get above 85 degrees. The pump will shut off when the set point is reached, or if the slab reaches 85 degrees regardless of the set point. I’m afraid that circuit may not be as efficient as expected. It may require a lot of energy to maintain temperature. Hopefully that is not the case.
pardon my french but I fucking love this guy. One of the few social media personalities I'd love to be friends with or at least be close neighbors with.
This has been pretty interesting. Having renovated by learning job costing. I just never really understood the heat to cost ratio. And how efficient heating a cement floor really is.
@@superspeeders After having GC the renovation of a couple of my own homes. I totally agree w/DIY!! Especially for an hands-on owner like you!!! With his own Exotic Rental Co. But what are the operating costs over traditional? Geothermal? Solar etc? In bumper to bumper traffic on West side drive. We all know a ZO6 is a hell of a lot more cost efficient than towing off an over heating Lambo!! LoL... Or owning a Porsche even Ed Bolian wouldn't drive!!! LoL.... Keep it up Rob... I'm digging on all the construction reviews. Excellent video content!!!👍
You don’t need the manifold to put it under pressure the first one would have a pressure gauge to a 3/4 male to pex fitting then you just start connecting ends keeping them in order so it stays a loop and the last one gets a cap
@@superspeeders Dear Rob, although im not american, i work in an engineering company, we make house projects and ''energetic projects'', even tho you are below the frost line you will be dissipating heat very easily to the ground, i notice you have those ''radiant heat floor planks'' (not sure if its the english word) to attach the radiant heat pipes on the upper floors and thats the best way to do it.
Professional thinking "Who the hell did this?" He asks, Rob answers "I did" He answers "Looks good" not to upset the costumer hahahaha.... I have never done that :)
What do they charge for the radiant layout? I'm about 30 days out from putting in my radiant, and was just gonna wing it on the layout... But would prefer to have a layout to work from.. BTW.. Love the content! I took the plunge of self GC too.. I said if Rob can do it so can i!
reach out to Moe i added his info to description. I guess it would depend how busy he is, but if I remember correctly some of the pex companies offer layout designs for a few hundred bucks.
You will pay big time to heat that floor with no insulation under it. The ground temperature of fifty something will be sucking the heat right out of the water. Out here in the sticks some people have oil wells and free gas and don't give a rats ass about insulation. In addition a guy like you, not slamming you just saying, can afford to rip it up and do it over. You should also have insulation on the inside of the wall and footer to break the dirt contact with the outside temperature.
it's 12' below grade and well below the freeze line so it doesn't appear to affect it that much. My heating bills are very reasonable 2 months into my second winter and even with my VERY generous use of gas fireplaces for ambiance. I have closed cell foam insulation on the inside of the 12" walls as well.
Please get this clown of the enet, where is your styrofoam your heat barrier, what are your heating Mother Earth? I think you do. Good experience to work with zip ties… consider to have the entire video how to use them.
First time seeing radiant floor heating? The slab stays warm and radiates a small amount of heat up, as heat rises. It’s been around awhile and still a preferred method by many who prefer a more consistent temperature instead of the rapid up/down temperature cycle of forced air and it’s habit of making noise while pushing around the air and dust. This is more expensive but way more luxury. This makes sense to those with dollars, not pocket change.
@@faccio97 no you do not. That is a retrofit. Proper even radiant is laid in concrete. The slab should have styrene insulation beneath it, and this should have had the square wire mesh elevated to serve the structural purpose. But putting the piping in the concrete is absolutely the BEST way to heat with radiant.
@@jaxturner7288 i dont know the heat requirements (based on winter temps of that location) but how we do it where i’m based with winter of -15 to -20 celsius on new houses is like this. You first have the concrete slab then put a insulator that has traces for PEX tubes, you then put PEX with 20cm distance betwen lines for midle and inner house and for outer walls find windows or doors you double the lines. After that you poor in a cement or ipsos based mixture on top of the PEX tubes. But different places have different build codes and customs.
In the uk they make you insulate the floor before putting underfloor heating so it reflects the heat back towards you rather than heating the underside of the rocks etc.
Also they insist on the wire mesh to be elevated so the concrete is totally surrounding the wire mesh.
Strange how different construction is for different countries. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Don't expect what Mr spaghetti did to last...
Same here in The Netherlands and Belgium. Concrete -> Insulation -> Underfloor heating -> Top floor.
The wire mesh inside the concrete slab also need to be elevated so it prevent the the concrete from cracking and make it one big strong floor plate.
No no no, we have standards also, this is just an example of work being done without construction background. The wwf should have risers under it, this will just turn into rework down the road, but it’s ok bc he’s rich and the hit won’t be a dent to his pocket book.
yeah@SaltLife , speak for yourself.
In this instance the wire mesh is not used for structural integrity, it is simply being used to hold the radiant pipe in place. I have successfully used this method in thousands of jobs over the last 30 years.
2 years laterz , I fucked up my basement lol
The wire mesh is supposed to be elevated and sitting on chairs so the concrete can flow beneath it. Your basement slab is now an unreinforced slab of concrete that is going to crack all over the place. You are also supposed to insulate under the radiant floor otherwise you wasting all your energy heating the ground.
This is what you get when you do a DIY GC lol
I have radiant floor heating retrofit to my whole house and I don't see where heat will be wasted if you have proper insulation in the wall and windows. We did wood subflooring above the hoses. Mostly because we don't have 20k to have a slab laid after buying the house. Our floors are warm and there's no issue with heat lost to extent that it will be noticable. The way he's doing it is much more professional and efficient. My heating bill right now is half of what I was paying in a apartment half the size with forced induction lmao. I'm not worried at all about energy loss.
He is right... the under side should be insulated, usually with expanded polystyrene foil faced sheets, AND the mesh should be up in the concrete, not at the bottom..
Spot on!!!
They probably pick it up as they go when pouring the concrete.
Today, Mr. Spaghetti builds a giant pizza oven in the basement of the pasta palace.
the 02 barrier isn't to prevent degradation of the pipes, it's so oxygen doesn't get into your heating system and create air locks.
Gives tensile strength to concrete(the mesh). Concrete is great under compression already.
Mr. spaghetti runs his radiant floor pex better than your average NYC plumber. Did you know that the average NYC plumbers charge $200-300/hr for this work?
I think that's everything in nyc.
@@richardsimmons6526 exactly
Whole basement was done in 3 hours, 1 hour by myself + 2 hours with 2 helpers.
Wow, I woulda been a helper at only $100/hr 😂
Be interesting to see what the tiles look like on the back porch. The smiley face is priceless… and btw Mr. Crowley, I’ve loved your comments for years, not sure who started the Mr. Spaghetti thing but it always brightens my day
Merry belated Christmas, love your channel everything you showcase, but I really Love everything you are posting on Houses! Radiant floors are exactly what I want to be the central part of our future Home, dumb as this sounds but a Bidet as well!
Again Merry belated Christmas, Happy New Year’s&2022!! Keep the Kncredible videos coming!
Hope you ordered your windows. We are 2 months out until ours can arrive to the job sites
This is all old footage
Yeah these videos are delayed about a year.
Thanks again for sharing this with us. Very interesting!
It would've been a good idea to put the mesh on pedestals otherwise it just sinks to the bottom defeating the purpose.
Works just fine TBH
He means the rebar is not inside of the concrete therefore it is not enforcing the concrete. Great job for being not being a contractor👍
Another installer claims it's is just there to secure the piping and not intended for structural. IMO some landscape fabric stakes would work just fine then
I see towards the end of the video the insulation for the radiant floor, although the pad for the basement is already poured. When I put up my pole building I used the same type of insulation to put down as the vapor barrier/insulation because of the ease of install for the pex tubing. No zip ties or mesh required which saved time. There is also a thermostat that went in between my last run to capture the temperature of the slab so that it doesn’t get above 85 degrees. The pump will shut off when the set point is reached, or if the slab reaches 85 degrees regardless of the set point. I’m afraid that circuit may not be as efficient as expected. It may require a lot of energy to maintain temperature. Hopefully that is not the case.
I didn't go with that stuff, because I didn't want to lose ceiling height.
Pretty cool you got two helpers for couple hundred bucks.....not too bad 👍👍
So I do drafting for engineering and you need to have the mesh raised to do anything for your tensile strength
Good to know, but it's too late now, may the odds be ever in my favor!
A square scrap piece of osb hung from a swivel hook is a simple $3 "uncoiler" aka spinner
pardon my french but I fucking love this guy. One of the few social media personalities I'd love to be friends with or at least be close neighbors with.
Whats the point of having mesh put down when it's not being used right. You are suppose to elevate the mesh so the tensile strength would be stronger
They needed to tape all the over laps on the vapor barrier. At least from my experience. But none the less, you did a good job Rob.
I do heated floors for a living and also live in new jersey.. good work sir!
Looks good man! I love seeing stuff like this done.
This has been pretty interesting. Having renovated by learning job costing.
I just never really understood the heat to cost ratio. And how efficient heating a cement floor really is.
I can tell you, the radiant floors are worth EVERY PENNY! Regardless of cost, one of my favorite features.
@@superspeeders After having GC the renovation of a couple of my own homes. I totally agree w/DIY!! Especially for an hands-on owner like you!!! With his own Exotic Rental Co. But what are the operating costs over traditional? Geothermal? Solar etc?
In bumper to bumper traffic on West side drive. We all know a ZO6 is a hell of a lot more cost efficient than towing off an over heating Lambo!! LoL... Or owning a Porsche even Ed Bolian wouldn't drive!!! LoL.... Keep it up Rob... I'm digging on all the construction reviews. Excellent video content!!!👍
You don’t need the manifold to put it under pressure the first one would have a pressure gauge to a 3/4 male to pex fitting then you just start connecting ends keeping them in order so it stays a loop and the last one gets a cap
Yes, tested the first and second floors and was quite a headache because of bad gauges.
there are toilet rings that won't melt from radiant floor heating.. there is a foam one..... also why aren't you using a pipe spool unwinder?
Hey Rob do you need to put floor sensors for that system. Alot of thermostats need floor sensors
I just use the standard thermostats. I don't care what the floor temp is I care what the room temp is.
When are you going to post the rest of the series
Trying to belt them out, ideally have the whole series done by the end of January.
18:25 that porch should have wire mesh, it will crack easy in a few years
Dude, that floor heating is just a energy waste, no insulation beneath??
I don't think it's necessary because it's well below the frost line 12 ft under ground.
@@superspeeders Dear Rob, although im not american, i work in an engineering company, we make house projects and ''energetic projects'', even tho you are below the frost line you will be dissipating heat very easily to the ground, i notice you have those ''radiant heat floor planks'' (not sure if its the english word) to attach the radiant heat pipes on the upper floors and thats the best way to do it.
Professional thinking "Who the hell did this?" He asks, Rob answers "I did" He answers "Looks good" not to upset the costumer hahahaha.... I have never done that :)
No insulation?
Last I checked, 8 x 3 was 24, not 12 lol.
Always great videos!
Rob definitely likes the ugly grind of living in Jersey, should run for office
What do they charge for the radiant layout? I'm about 30 days out from putting in my radiant, and was just gonna wing it on the layout... But would prefer to have a layout to work from..
BTW.. Love the content! I took the plunge of self GC too.. I said if Rob can do it so can i!
reach out to Moe i added his info to description. I guess it would depend how busy he is, but if I remember correctly some of the pex companies offer layout designs for a few hundred bucks.
Where was this video 3 months ago. I didn't put heating because of this.
Sorry about the timing.
Lol I think the radiant guys lied to you
how so?
how are those edges watertight?
No need for French drains along the wall?
You didn’t need foam insulation?
See if you can spot where Rob installed the pipe and where he had help
There will be a timelapse of the whole build from start to finish, you can slow it down and see.
Doing concrete really makes a man out of you. I will never do it again.
Me neither.
Is in the rebar in concrete for tensile strength? Not compressive?
Yes
I did say I am learning as I go didn't I?
@@superspeeders sure did Rob, and your doing great! Enjoy watching the series. Keep her up. Merry Christmas and happy new year
It gives tensile strength.
I'd think with all the GC stress the titles should be I "GC my own GD house". Lol
What pipe centres are you using? Looks poorly designed.
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Nice 👍
rob are you calling sump pumps "ejector pumps" ??? just wondering cause I am pretty sure that's whats your saying
Dude.
GEOTHERMAL would of saved you THOUSANDS over YEARS
You should’ve pumped that mud
You will pay big time to heat that floor with no insulation under it. The ground temperature of fifty something will be sucking the heat right out of the water. Out here in the sticks some people have oil wells and free gas and don't give a rats ass about insulation. In addition a guy like you, not slamming you just saying, can afford to rip it up and do it over. You should also have insulation on the inside of the wall and footer to break the dirt contact with the outside temperature.
it's 12' below grade and well below the freeze line so it doesn't appear to affect it that much. My heating bills are very reasonable 2 months into my second winter and even with my VERY generous use of gas fireplaces for ambiance. I have closed cell foam insulation on the inside of the 12" walls as well.
9:43 8x3 is 12?
I was doing math in my head, had 8 - 300 ft loops, and 1 thousand foot roll. 3400 ft :)
If the whole house is made out of wood, don't you're scared of woodworms?
@@unclejohn5012 tu sais dire xylophages en Anglais toi?
Do you mean termites?
@@mineralareaoutdoors2213 yes, all sorts of insects that eat wood, in French it's called xylophages, but I don't know how to pronounce in English
Not a concern, thats standard construction around here.
"built myself", meanwhile 100 mexicans run around and do all the work.
Gc'd myself.
Please get this clown of the enet, where is your styrofoam your heat barrier, what are your heating Mother Earth? I think you do. Good experience to work with zip ties… consider to have the entire video how to use them.
Putting concrete over the heating tubes doesn't make any sense
First time seeing radiant floor heating?
The slab stays warm and radiates a small amount of heat up, as heat rises. It’s been around awhile and still a preferred method by many who prefer a more consistent temperature instead of the rapid up/down temperature cycle of forced air and it’s habit of making noise while pushing around the air and dust. This is more expensive but way more luxury. This makes sense to those with dollars, not pocket change.
@@jaxturner7288 You usually put it on top of the concrete but under another kind of floor that lets the heat through
@@faccio97 no you do not. That is a retrofit. Proper even radiant is laid in concrete. The slab should have styrene insulation beneath it, and this should have had the square wire mesh elevated to serve the structural purpose. But putting the piping in the concrete is absolutely the BEST way to heat with radiant.
@@faccio97 maybe you do because you are working on old shit. People with money building new stuff plan these things in from the beginning.
@@jaxturner7288 i dont know the heat requirements (based on winter temps of that location) but how we do it where i’m based with winter of -15 to -20 celsius on new houses is like this. You first have the concrete slab then put a insulator that has traces for PEX tubes, you then put PEX with 20cm distance betwen lines for midle and inner house and for outer walls find windows or doors you double the lines. After that you poor in a cement or ipsos based mixture on top of the PEX tubes.
But different places have different build codes and customs.
You needed to put foam board or the heat will Disperse in to the ground 30 to 40 percent of it
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