Dude as a Lion player, finally hearing that "Lion is a good hero" bring a tear to my eye. I remember when Lion was "BAD" because their E was basically useless in mid to late game (actually it kill you by revealing your location and not doing much really) and just been very low HP. But I do agree, he have been buff to the heck and man.....I love it.
9:35 Thank you Jenkins, now people gonna sh*t on me even more for not saving them from chrono even tho you can't use tele to save teamm8 neither from chrono nor from black hole 😭😭
how about venomancer? He's strong at making space on early game initiating kills for core after harassing the enemy to 70%hp then secure kill using Venomous gale and in mid to late game is strong too
@@markleburyI spammed him at the start of patch and almost ranked up with it, then I plummeted down after my team doesn't ban or pick jugg/sniper/spec/spiritbreaker. It's been hard since, my spirit is kinda broken and I'm not sure if I can keep spamming veno.
"pick to grief your team" is so real. I just played a game as underlord where my Mirana built Eul's and would tornado them every time I would pit+atos, wasting the disable time and firestorm burn.
Even on low MMR (currently 4k, got a 9 win streak and going up fast). Been playing her as a 4 or 5 buying auras and she gets rlly usefull. Generally going for tranquils -> wand --> drums --> Vlads or solar crest (depending on carry or comp) --> upgrade wand for healing -> vlads or crest (the one i didn't bought immediatly). Adapting build for necessity after 4 item, and getting shard from tormentor or after upgrading the wand.
LION is the new ANTI MAGE. ====================== - MULTI DRAIN compared to AM who only mana drain 1 target at at ime - ABUSE your amazing atk range and constantly outzone enemy from creeps with mana drain - BLINK dagger or FORCE staff base on how free the game is - Move with a +1 for instant kill any hero - EON DISK 3rd item after shard is a HUGE POWERSPIKE nobody wants to focus you - GLIMMER cape 4th item for survivability and making sure you get max mana drain safely TEAM FIGHT GOAL - BLINK or FORCESTAFF into the fight and MULTI MANA drain as many heroes as possible the eon disk and glimmer cape MAYBE even ghostscepter ALLOWS you to drain as much mana before you die. THE MAIN GOAL is draining mana the 2nd goal is to force enemy to pop BKB early in fear of being mana drained your 3rd goal is to bait enemy to focus you and 4th goal is control the fight. EVEN IF YOU DIE your missions is complete coz all these items allow you to drain as MUCH mana before you die. PERSONAL TIP - dont buy ether lense until you find a neutral item that extends cast range. ONLY once you find a nuetral item which extends cast range THEN YOU PURCHASE an ether lense for maximum value. LAST item you want is AGNIMS so you can easily clear mega creeps or push lanes. WHEN PLAYING vs INVIS HEROES - RUSH gem. its so broken because GEM synergise with your HEX allowing you to instantly disable invoker ghostwalk or enemy shadowblade user and render their gameplan useless and cast FEAR into enemies heart. HAVE FUN CHEERS!!!
Razor is S tier pos 4. Only 1 point in q. Max w then e for faster roaming/getting on top of people. Phylactery and shard into disperser. You’re batrider, but just better. Lasso on 15 second cooldown and lasts 10 seconds instead of 2.
I think what I love more than the knowledge you provide on these tier lists is your face in every thumbnail, shit you even have the same expression in your pfp 😅
Yeah heroes being so good that you can just get away with playing any role shouldnt be a thing. In the last week I have played against positions 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 Windrunner and lost all of them of course, because she just has so much annoying crap at every stage of the game.
Counter pick is solution 90% of the game. I am Ursa player and Windranger kick my ass whenever I pick Ursa. Heroes like Shadow Shaman, Centaur, Viper, Storm Spirit and Spectre counter Windranger hard. On the other hand, I agree with idea that some heroes becomes so good like Nature Prophet, Void, Anti Mage, Abaddon and Viper that you can play every position against every enemy hero and win most of the games.
Picking Lion as an God tier pos 4 and getting my face absolutely smashed in by sniper pos 1. Sniper while I drain him was a good lesson in counterpicks.
I've been spamming WW and it is wild. Yes, you have to learn how the weird ability work but if you master them it feels like you are contributing the impact of two heroes. I don't even care what position. I've had the most fun mid but wyvern really does it all. If anything I'm glad the Winter Wyvern Illuminati is working so diligently to stop anyone from talking about her to prevent her from getting nerffed because oh boy WW is a wild ride.
Skywrath used to have a perfect build, Ethereal Blade was PERFECT on him and not a lot of people knew how busted it was. It gave him everything he needed, from slows, int, survability, amp damage, mana regen, to even bust his Q lifesteal. It was insanely better than atos and people didn't knew how busted it was. I even made a detailed guide on it, but just a day later after publishing it, 3.35 came out and absolutely KILLED it... It just doesnt feel and work the same anymore.. was just so perfect it really broke me to losse it.
@@KingOfHell94 Ethereal Blade recipe changed, no longer builds with Kaya, instead with Aether Lens. Aether Lens is nice but is not nearly as a cheap high power spike as Kaya is to him. May not sound like much but it really changed his timings and build.
@@KitsuneFaroe i do like lens on sky, i guess u also lost the mana regen bonus from the kaya? shouldnt be too bad either way tho, extra cast range would help with the combo
@@KingOfHell94 well yeah, it is nice, but the thing is besides the range it only gives some boost to mana. While Kaya gives int (wich traslates in more damage for Q), spell amp, noticeable mana regen boost and more lifesteal. All things of wich Sky really loves, specially when those effects got boosted on E-blade. Sky has already a very high range and is not really what he needs. At least not as much as Kaya wich is perfect in all ways. A Sky mid with E-blade first item was a total menace. Even as pos 4 with a decent lane could buy E-blade relatively fast and over-nuke. He really beneficts from its components while building too. WAY better than Atos despite Atos being cheaper. Lens is good but far from being as good as that build used to be, to the point it is no longer as viable to buy E-blade first item, wich really hurts him and his whole build progression.
Mirana is not outdated. The easy build for her as a pos 4 is: Arcanes, Atos, Glepnir and Aghs. Situational items might be Ghost Scepter, Aeon Disk, Blink/Force Staff. I'd argue she could also be a really good mid, as her gank potential with shard and crit talent is pretty good.
What he means by outdated is she doesnt work to the same effect as she used to and this is reflected in the 40% win rate others heros have gotten stronger and she has stayed the same
This hero is bullshit, 42% is way too high for basically a hole in your team, high CD not targeted stun and too high CD invisibility, all she do is fkin jumping around battle doing nothing under Sentry ward, literally any hero on the list can do shit and at very least slow down enemies, but when I see mirana in my team I know for a fact it's lose, and I've been right for 100% times.
@@ylitkovod I feel like most people pick mirana as support because they want to build them like a core I play hoodwink in my opinion they do very similar things Q is aoe W is stun E is escape and the main difference is the ult As a support im already excepted to buy dust which does what miranas ult does except better (there are trade offs such as mirana having global range) whereas hoodwinks ult is very versatile letting you escape with the knock back (you can jump up and down highground with it if you position correctly) or secure kills from far away without risking your own life not to mention the slow and break if they do survive There are of course downsides to hoodwink too such as their stun ending if the tree is broken and bushwhack being a little inconsistent due to camera angle but compared to mirana they feel a lot more consistent to me and i can back that up with my win rates on both heros (45% on mirana and 62% on hoodwink)
I main IO pos4 with spirits . Holy locket + ahgs is the only items he needs to be effective. Lvl 15 +55 dmg ability for spirits is underrated. They are fuckin strong.
What about Undying? He was rather overpicked not so long ago and now it feels like he just died out. Honestly if you just go this Solar Crest, if needed Vlad, Guardians and pipe or spirit vessel? Your shard is amazing for getting that hero who let's them jump on them or if that's your role it's that much easier.. The constant Q in lane is great, but I'm rather more focused on his W which is great against Wraith King you see quite often on pos 1 recently, Naga, anything like brood/enigma/beastmaster/chen who tends to have another unit around them ramp up that damage/heal for you. It's true, he's kinda useless once he has his spells on cooldown, quite low damage on autoattacks unless the fight takes hours so you can stack up that Q, but with vessel it's sort of okay. I play him mainly to just be the target, save others, have useful items for teamfights, be all around the map with E ready where it's gon' be needed
The most common roles that get vessel would be 4/5/2 because they're constantly roaming and going for kills. It depends on whether that hero has a better item to build. Invoker, for example, could go vessel, but maybe they have a puck on the enemy team, and an orchid would be better. Some freaks build an urn on Spectre because she can instantly get on top of someone to kill steal, and gain a charge. But mainly, it's for roamers who like the extra all stats and health.
Also just, if it builds out of things that the hero wants anyway for themselves. Like if they need that little bit of mana regen and armor as starting items for laning, then it's convenient to build into vessel. Also, if the hero has a good chance of being alive to gain charges from standing nearby dying people. If you're dead in the first 3 seconds of every fight, you'll never get any charges; bad vessel buyer. Or if you're a sniper or a Zeus, getting kills half the map away, too far to get charges 😅
@anthonymercuri8885 This helps a ton thank you so much! I'm still new, so this gives me an idea of how to keep an eye out for characters that can build it
Very accurate tier list Mr. Jenkins. I'm archon 4 and pub ranked become so annoying because that lion and NP picker. Really game changing hero and stomping in early game. Now I'm not pos 3 player anymore, Im 345. I really enjoy how good Lion and venge are, Im not into NP but I think I have insight about this hero because this tier list, thanks.
Enigma has only need B dagger and black hole since dota one almost twenty years now to be a top tier team fight hero, the eilodons are just a distraction.
1 million percent agree that mirana is the worst pos 4 . not only that, i think mirana is the worst support hero in dota 2 right now. i mean, his stun need to predict enemy movement, if miss than it is very useless. his first need to near the enemy and that is hard to do if u want to survive. and if u want to survive u can spam ur 3rd, but make ur cores in very dangerous situation. better put mirana into midlaner or a carry, use 3rd for attack speed and survive
Not being able to disassamble mana boots to octarine hurt my pos 4 mirana, but shard update is really good. If you can play the hero, shard octarine and aghs combined ith cd reduction talents still makes you useful as a spell spammer.
I thing shaker is way up to the listo actually... And shadoe shaman is better then lion in My personal experience , god tierlist anyways :D..love your videos
Tierlist enjoyers having a good day today
Why?
Who else made a tier list? SHARE IT I NEED IT IN MY VEINS
Fr I don't even play dota these days
@@laba28 come and play it, it’s fun patch
@@neromah zquixotix made a pos 5 tier list
Jenkins doesn't give a SH** about the thumbnail but puts his heart and soul into the creation of the tier list.
Dude as a Lion player, finally hearing that "Lion is a good hero" bring a tear to my eye.
I remember when Lion was "BAD" because their E was basically useless in mid to late game (actually it kill you by revealing your location and not doing much really) and just been very low HP. But I do agree, he have been buff to the heck and man.....I love it.
Same. Lion Enjoyers finally having more control.
You missed the chance to say he's been buffed to hell and back and back to hell and back again
9:35 Thank you Jenkins, now people gonna sh*t on me even more for not saving them from chrono even tho you can't use tele to save teamm8 neither from chrono nor from black hole 😭😭
Thank you jenkins❤️ please make tier lists about other roles too if possible
hell make the list u want right before the patch changes dw
just the right pace and amount of details, much aprecciated Jenkins!
Shadow Demon is amazing vs Abaddon too, but better as a 5 if you really want to mess up his lane.
Completely agree. SD is super counter to Abaddon who is my main hero because the illu doing curse as well so its annoying as fuck.
@@BizziiikYeah, also shield purge and passive ult disable with aghs just kills abba
Sad no undying. Great list though. 1 request: pos 5 tier list. Thank you 🎉
LOVE THE VIDEO please do a pos 5 tier list
i always pick bane when got pos 4..
max out 1 & 3 in laning stage its so good..
how about venomancer? He's strong at making space on early game initiating kills for core after harassing the enemy to 70%hp then secure kill using Venomous gale and in mid to late game is strong too
As a Veno spammer I was looking forward to seeing him on this list lol.
I thought we'd see him in B-Tier
@@tuttle03 go back to p5 where you belong lmfaoooo
@@tuttle03 This patch I have been spamming veno. I don't even know if he's good, I just know that for some reason, every time I pick him we win.
@@markleburyI spammed him at the start of patch and almost ranked up with it, then I plummeted down after my team doesn't ban or pick jugg/sniper/spec/spiritbreaker. It's been hard since, my spirit is kinda broken and I'm not sure if I can keep spamming veno.
"pick to grief your team" is so real. I just played a game as underlord where my Mirana built Eul's and would tornado them every time I would pit+atos, wasting the disable time and firestorm burn.
Did you forget wyvern? I feel like a lot of high level fours are playing her right now
really good as a core currently. ult increases magic damage, wyvern can melt people with ult with just maelstorm and mage slayer using q and w.
yea he did just go arcanes mage slayer orchid and position well and it's a free win
Even on low MMR (currently 4k, got a 9 win streak and going up fast). Been playing her as a 4 or 5 buying auras and she gets rlly usefull. Generally going for tranquils -> wand --> drums --> Vlads or solar crest (depending on carry or comp) --> upgrade wand for healing -> vlads or crest (the one i didn't bought immediatly). Adapting build for necessity after 4 item, and getting shard from tormentor or after upgrading the wand.
She's in the top 5 pos 4's in terms of winrate and pick rate in pro pubs just check Dota 2 Pro Tracker. I have no idea how Jenkins left her out.
It was only at the end that I realized, that he was not in fact wearing a hawaian shirt, but a fluffy sweatshirt
Btw you forget to see Shaman Hex AMP dmg.
because it's amp any type of dmg, physical, magical, even pure.
LION is the new ANTI MAGE.
======================
- MULTI DRAIN compared to AM who only mana drain 1 target at at ime
- ABUSE your amazing atk range and constantly outzone enemy from creeps with mana drain
- BLINK dagger or FORCE staff base on how free the game is
- Move with a +1 for instant kill any hero
- EON DISK 3rd item after shard is a HUGE POWERSPIKE nobody wants to focus you
- GLIMMER cape 4th item for survivability and making sure you get max mana drain safely
TEAM FIGHT GOAL
- BLINK or FORCESTAFF into the fight and MULTI MANA drain as many heroes as possible the eon disk and glimmer cape MAYBE even ghostscepter ALLOWS you to drain as much mana before you die. THE MAIN GOAL is draining mana the 2nd goal is to force enemy to pop BKB early in fear of being mana drained your 3rd goal is to bait enemy to focus you and 4th goal is control the fight. EVEN IF YOU DIE your missions is complete coz all these items allow you to drain as MUCH mana before you die.
PERSONAL TIP
- dont buy ether lense until you find a neutral item that extends cast range. ONLY once you find a nuetral item which extends cast range THEN YOU PURCHASE an ether lense for maximum value. LAST item you want is AGNIMS so you can easily clear mega creeps or push lanes.
WHEN PLAYING vs INVIS HEROES
- RUSH gem. its so broken because GEM synergise with your HEX allowing you to instantly disable invoker ghostwalk or enemy shadowblade user and render their gameplan useless and cast FEAR into enemies heart.
HAVE FUN CHEERS!!!
WD pickers don't want you to know this 55% wr hero is so busted he can be picked as a 4 and still be OP
Hi Jenkins. Rubick telekinesis cannot save teammate from black hole/ void ulti
Razor is S tier pos 4.
Only 1 point in q. Max w then e for faster roaming/getting on top of people.
Phylactery and shard into disperser. You’re batrider, but just better. Lasso on 15 second cooldown and lasts 10 seconds instead of 2.
28:49 so that's why he is S tier
I think what I love more than the knowledge you provide on these tier lists is your face in every thumbnail, shit you even have the same expression in your pfp 😅
I like Magnus pos 4 this patch. Loads of slow moving heroes like viper, death Prophet, Abba that hate to be scewered out of position
Abaddon slow? Bruh, he's got one of the highest base move speeds and manta is core on him
Pls do a pos 5 tier list
I noticed Bane wasn't on the list...
Editor doing Jenkins dirty with the Thumbnail 😂
These pause frames on the thumbnails is what I look forward to the most
Winning a lot with Treant as 4 at high divine/immortal. Seems good.
Yeah heroes being so good that you can just get away with playing any role shouldnt be a thing. In the last week I have played against positions 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 Windrunner and lost all of them of course, because she just has so much annoying crap at every stage of the game.
Counter pick is solution 90% of the game. I am Ursa player and Windranger kick my ass whenever I pick Ursa. Heroes like Shadow Shaman, Centaur, Viper, Storm Spirit and Spectre counter Windranger hard. On the other hand, I agree with idea that some heroes becomes so good like Nature Prophet, Void, Anti Mage, Abaddon and Viper that you can play every position against every enemy hero and win most of the games.
Any thoughts on Ogre 4 position?
I play him and he's not too bad with the right draft. A little shocked he's not in here. I'm probably missing something.
great list, I tried playing the heroes in the bottom tier and have been losing even when trying hard
Imagine not showing the final tier list for a second.
Picking Lion as an God tier pos 4 and getting my face absolutely smashed in by sniper pos 1. Sniper while I drain him was a good lesson in counterpicks.
Didn't you miss a bbunch of heroes... Nice tierlist either way
Been a dirty venge spammer this patch. What a good time.
People be sleeping on winter wyvern - not even on this list but super strong
I've been spamming WW and it is wild. Yes, you have to learn how the weird ability work but if you master them it feels like you are contributing the impact of two heroes. I don't even care what position. I've had the most fun mid but wyvern really does it all. If anything I'm glad the Winter Wyvern Illuminati is working so diligently to stop anyone from talking about her to prevent her from getting nerffed because oh boy WW is a wild ride.
New haircut have been a big revolution for you jenkins. You look much better!
Need another pos5 tier video ❤❤❤❤❤
Skywrath used to have a perfect build, Ethereal Blade was PERFECT on him and not a lot of people knew how busted it was. It gave him everything he needed, from slows, int, survability, amp damage, mana regen, to even bust his Q lifesteal. It was insanely better than atos and people didn't knew how busted it was. I even made a detailed guide on it, but just a day later after publishing it, 3.35 came out and absolutely KILLED it... It just doesnt feel and work the same anymore.. was just so perfect it really broke me to losse it.
what changed?
@@KingOfHell94 Ethereal Blade recipe changed, no longer builds with Kaya, instead with Aether Lens. Aether Lens is nice but is not nearly as a cheap high power spike as Kaya is to him.
May not sound like much but it really changed his timings and build.
@@KitsuneFaroe i do like lens on sky, i guess u also lost the mana regen bonus from the kaya? shouldnt be too bad either way tho, extra cast range would help with the combo
@@KingOfHell94 well yeah, it is nice, but the thing is besides the range it only gives some boost to mana. While Kaya gives int (wich traslates in more damage for Q), spell amp, noticeable mana regen boost and more lifesteal. All things of wich Sky really loves, specially when those effects got boosted on E-blade. Sky has already a very high range and is not really what he needs. At least not as much as Kaya wich is perfect in all ways. A Sky mid with E-blade first item was a total menace. Even as pos 4 with a decent lane could buy E-blade relatively fast and over-nuke. He really beneficts from its components while building too. WAY better than Atos despite Atos being cheaper.
Lens is good but far from being as good as that build used to be, to the point it is no longer as viable to buy E-blade first item, wich really hurts him and his whole build progression.
@@KitsuneFaroe yea i'd agree kaya was probably better. i just dont think it totally killed that build.
Really good explanations. I’m also crying as I’m so close to grandmaster Mirana:(
Wish Jenkins could upload his hero tier filtering on steam workshop if it were possible even
Thank you! Have a good one
25:45 actually its my Dads birthday, and he walked in on me when you said that...
Thoughts on Terrorblade Pos4? Felt actually not that bad in 7.5k MMR EU
Like always - very good, thank you man!
They had no reason ever to add damage to NP's Sprout.
oh yeah? do you know how low his winrate was before that buff?
@@Fleig. could've found another way to buff him without changing a spell that's been the same for 20 years. Sprout not doing damage was iconic.
Mirana is not outdated. The easy build for her as a pos 4 is: Arcanes, Atos, Glepnir and Aghs. Situational items might be Ghost Scepter, Aeon Disk, Blink/Force Staff. I'd argue she could also be a really good mid, as her gank potential with shard and crit talent is pretty good.
What he means by outdated is she doesnt work to the same effect as she used to and this is reflected in the 40% win rate
others heros have gotten stronger and she has stayed the same
This hero is bullshit, 42% is way too high for basically a hole in your team, high CD not targeted stun and too high CD invisibility, all she do is fkin jumping around battle doing nothing under Sentry ward, literally any hero on the list can do shit and at very least slow down enemies, but when I see mirana in my team I know for a fact it's lose, and I've been right for 100% times.
@@ylitkovod I feel like most people pick mirana as support because they want to build them like a core
I play hoodwink in my opinion they do very similar things Q is aoe W is stun E is escape and the main difference is the ult
As a support im already excepted to buy dust which does what miranas ult does except better (there are trade offs such as mirana having global range) whereas hoodwinks ult is very versatile letting you escape with the knock back (you can jump up and down highground with it if you position correctly) or secure kills from far away without risking your own life not to mention the slow and break if they do survive
There are of course downsides to hoodwink too such as their stun ending if the tree is broken and bushwhack being a little inconsistent due to camera angle but compared to mirana they feel a lot more consistent to me and i can back that up with my win rates on both heros (45% on mirana and 62% on hoodwink)
Thanks for the tier list Jenkins. What about doom btw? (as a pos 4)
where tf is ogre magi
You forgot about dawnbreaker, greatest 4 in the game
my thanks to you mr andrew for the quality content. have a good day
What does Ench not being on the tier list mean?
post more content jenkins, we love u
I main IO pos4 with spirits . Holy locket + ahgs is the only items he needs to be effective. Lvl 15 +55 dmg ability for spirits is underrated. They are fuckin strong.
Jenkin's Logic: "You can go into their base and massacre their couriers = S tier"
techies is SSS tier
Now that is a well edited video.
what happened to the Tree?
As a spammer I don't feel any validashuns ;/
OMG IVE BEEN EXPERIMENTING WITH ARC SUPPORT I DIDNT KNOW PROS ARE TOO
This is the content I subbed for!
Thank you Mario, I appreciate this
any chance we can get best mids next? great vid
On my tier list of tier lists, Jenkums’ tier lists are in the S tier.
I really like your outfit, not sure what it is but just love the colors on it, looking good.
great video jenkins, do a pos 2 next pls
Until a couple days ago I thought that this is your main channel. Why is this guy obsessed with tier lists I thought
What about Undying?
He was rather overpicked not so long ago and now it feels like he just died out.
Honestly if you just go this Solar Crest, if needed Vlad, Guardians and pipe or spirit vessel?
Your shard is amazing for getting that hero who let's them jump on them or if that's your role it's that much easier..
The constant Q in lane is great, but I'm rather more focused on his W which is great against Wraith King you see quite often on pos 1 recently, Naga, anything like brood/enigma/beastmaster/chen who tends to have another unit around them ramp up that damage/heal for you.
It's true, he's kinda useless once he has his spells on cooldown, quite low damage on autoattacks unless the fight takes hours so you can stack up that Q, but with vessel it's sort of okay.
I play him mainly to just be the target, save others, have useful items for teamfights, be all around the map with E ready where it's gon' be needed
What does it mean to be a "good vessel builder"? I know its good, but what makes heroes better / worse for building it?
The most common roles that get vessel would be 4/5/2 because they're constantly roaming and going for kills. It depends on whether that hero has a better item to build. Invoker, for example, could go vessel, but maybe they have a puck on the enemy team, and an orchid would be better. Some freaks build an urn on Spectre because she can instantly get on top of someone to kill steal, and gain a charge. But mainly, it's for roamers who like the extra all stats and health.
Also just, if it builds out of things that the hero wants anyway for themselves. Like if they need that little bit of mana regen and armor as starting items for laning, then it's convenient to build into vessel.
Also, if the hero has a good chance of being alive to gain charges from standing nearby dying people. If you're dead in the first 3 seconds of every fight, you'll never get any charges; bad vessel buyer. Or if you're a sniper or a Zeus, getting kills half the map away, too far to get charges 😅
@anthonymercuri8885 This helps a ton thank you so much! I'm still new, so this gives me an idea of how to keep an eye out for characters that can build it
@jettywango3939 Same reply to you as well, thank you! I was really wondering about it while watching the vid and this helps a ton!!
must have taken some restraint not to bring up Mirana's shard. That shard constantly baffles me.
Waiting for an item tier list :)
Yeah, i hate that techies buff, it is just impossible to avoid that mine, they should get the previous search radius back!
Please do a midlaners tier list next
Very accurate tier list Mr. Jenkins. I'm archon 4 and pub ranked become so annoying because that lion and NP picker. Really game changing hero and stomping in early game. Now I'm not pos 3 player anymore, Im 345. I really enjoy how good Lion and venge are, Im not into NP but I think I have insight about this hero because this tier list, thanks.
Enigma has only need B dagger and black hole since dota one almost twenty years now to be a top tier team fight hero, the eilodons are just a distraction.
Thanks for the vid bro
The best 4 positions are Mid lane, bottom lane, top lane and jungle
Venomancer?
Where do you put winter wyvern in this patch Jenkins?
Hey Jenkins, will you or do you plan on doing a mid lane tier list as well?
no undying? i think hes atleast b tier
I have been spamming pos 4 Puck and win most of the games in ancient rank. Puck has so many cons in that position.
enigma has eidolon with a % HP of main hero ? I heard this but can't find anything related.
Did I miss hear ?
Where bane
Mah boi Jenkins be mewin. How tf did you get that Jawline bro?
Dang, should I not be playing veno pos 4?
18:38 why i can only pick arc on the dire side on pos 4?
Interested to hear this as well.
Did he forget Doom? Me personally I think he's A tier naturally countering what is meta rn.
i clicked this video just to see if gyro was high tier pos 4 bcs ive been spamming him (and winning most games) and im glad im right lol
I actually have a birthday lol. Thanks dawg ✊
1 million percent agree that mirana is the worst pos 4 . not only that, i think mirana is the worst support hero in dota 2 right now. i mean, his stun need to predict enemy movement, if miss than it is very useless. his first need to near the enemy and that is hard to do if u want to survive. and if u want to survive u can spam ur 3rd, but make ur cores in very dangerous situation. better put mirana into midlaner or a carry, use 3rd for attack speed and survive
I would swap places in this list with WR and BH
dude nice fleece whats the brand :P
Where’s my boy Witch Doctor ?!
what's the deal with arc warden being a good 4 on dire?
Jenkins how is your standalone game going?
supp Windrangers going core items is one of the most annoying things rn in dota🥴
When you hitting level 25 on pudge my dude?
Skywrath is the best pos 4, I can play it with any offlaner, you just gotta know what you're capable of.
silently enjoying my 61% win rate with Mirana 😭
She is strong. The list is bs
Not being able to disassamble mana boots to octarine hurt my pos 4 mirana, but shard update is really good. If you can play the hero, shard octarine and aghs combined ith cd reduction talents still makes you useful as a spell spammer.
@@elderswanderingcircus2341 throwing the occasionally Rod in if we lack catch works wonders on low hp cores If u have aghs shard
Enjoying my 30% winrate when mirana in my team
Nice top man
I thing shaker is way up to the listo actually... And shadoe shaman is better then lion in My personal experience , god tierlist anyways :D..love your videos