One of the things that really screwed me up was reading “The Science of Hitting” by Ted Williams. He said that the most correct path of the swing is a slight upswing matching the plane of the pitch. Well, he’s right, but that made me swing under the ball for a while and I was popping up and striking out a lot. What I learned is that you can’t directly control the barrel, you can only control your hands and unless your hands are at you waist when you start you swing, the hands always start down to the ball. If you finish high then the barrel will take that slight upward path he was talking about
A Rod swears by what they teach your hands are going down,but what he doesn't realize is what the barrel is really doing lol plain and simple technology today shows what the barrel is doing. And your mechanics distinguishes what your barrel does some people finish the barrel high like Aaron Judge and over the shoulder.
I believe it's what ever that player need to hear to make him get on the path, If a coach needs to tell the player I need you to swing to the moon in order to make that batter get behind the ball and on the path quickly and generate bat speed by all means do so, but if you tell other batter the same thing and this guy hits the ball actually to the moon then you as a coach need to change the approach. Comunication its diferent with everyone, i think a good coach needs to find the line of communication with his trainee, and all of them are different. my 2 cents!!
I’m with you but he is saying it as if ever hitter needs to do what he is telling them, which will be right for some but wrong for others. I feel he also doesn’t do a good job of explaining himself. If he wants the hands to go down then he needs to say that. If he just says “swing down” people are going to automatically look at the barrel because you swing the bat, not the hands
I listened to guys like Antonelli Baseball and teacherman hitting and really had my son focused on knob up, tilt etc. my son went from consistent contact to striking out constantly. Went back to getting the top hand on top of the ball and Barry bonds high tee drill… 5 for 5 since.
Awesome. Love to hear it. Glad your son is having success... wishing him 10 times more. As for Antonelli and Teacherman, their stuff works. I like it. The key is about finding what works for your son.
ARod is a right handed hitter, right hand dominant. He’s talking about what his top hand is doing. Bottom hand pulling knob through the ball will naturally flatten out swing and bring barrel on plane.
@@bloopandablast9257 Does "swing down" not mean "swing down" to you? How does "Swing down" mean turn the barrel backward behind you, then turn with the hips toward the sky and snap to the ball? Because thousands of kids heard that and swung down at the ball, then complain that their coaches ruined their swing. You can literally see Alex Rodriguez swing straight down to the ball.
@@mike-0451 Swing down means let your hands travel downward towards the ball not the barrel. Look at any A-rod or Barry bonds video and track the hands through the swing the hand path is straight and down. A lot of problems for youth hitters is dropping the hands below the ball making it harder to hit the fastball up. Though I will agree if it's not working then they should try something else when hitting you need to learn and adapt.
Arod never swung like that. He never swung down. Just watch his videos with Texas and Seattle. He had a Ferris wheel swing not a merry go round swing. Watch Judge or Ohtani
Alex Rodriguez has always had a problem of dropping the hands under the ball. Barry bonds always talked about his back shoulder dropping too much. I think the theory here is to keep the hands ontop of the ball. Which makes sense since if he needed to hit the high heaters
All the best hitters swear by the same thing - Pujols, Bonds, Rodriguez, Mcgriff, Chipper Jones, Rickey Henderson, Mike Trout, etc. Feel whatever you need to feel to get the result.
@@JermaineCurtis55Totally agree with you Curtis, the old “feel vs Real” is absolutely real 😂 You have probably seen the video of ARod and Mike Trout discussing this, Trout demonstrated a swing that extremely different from the swing he actually takes. As a hitter it does not matter what you are thinking about as long as what you’re thinking about helps you get in the right positioning. One thing I do have a bit of an issue with, is that I think professionals should know the difference between what they are thinking and what they are actually doing when they are explaining publicly and lots of amateur players may be watching. The amateur player may not know a lot about the actual swing, and may try to copy the positions that are not exactly what they should be doing
Alex doesn’t know what he’s talking about. If he wants to talk about hitting, that’s fine, but swing mechanics are off limits. He doesn’t even understand the position he’s trying to argue against. The HLP, despite being one of the simplest assertions, seems to cause wish confusion and butthurt among fudds that the very basic principles are in question in every circle. If you want to know how to swing, watch the greats and copy them, but don’t listen to what they say.
I hear what you're saying. But I believe he's saying the same thing - Barry Bonds was his hitting coach. Barry Bonds teaches the same thing he talks about in this video. So he's basically, copying what the best hitter ever has taught him. I think anyone would listen if a great in there field gave them information.
@@JermaineCurtis55 I would listen to him if he actually did what he said he did, but he doesn't. These cues like "swing down" literally cause kids to swing down at the ball and push the bat. Go look at what Teachermanhitting is doing; he's coaching big league players and fixing their swings, but he's not giving them a bunch of brain dead cues like "swing down," because unless you're really stupid and just can't comprehend words, you're going to do exactly what they said. If you lack the feel they are talking about, you aren't going to magically do what they do when they tell you. You're just going to do what they tell you, and they're going to get frustrated because you're doing exactly what they say but somehow not doing what they do. Alex Rodriguez and Bonds both had the same feel and both said the same thing, so them telling each other to swing down is like two cups pouring into each other. Look, I get that people hear a big name and just eat up everything they say, but big names belong to small people. I knew a guy that was coached by Lance Berkman, and he said it was awful because he would go up there, swing, then become furious when his players couldn't do it like him. Great hitters are not necessarily experts in biomechanics, nor do they always make great teachers. I trust the truth, not people's words, no matter how "big" they are. I don't care who said them. I don't care if you never played above highschool if your swing looks like Barry Bonds. If what you teach causes people to swing like him (as with Teacherman for example), I will listen to that. But when these guys get up here and say dumb sh*t like "swing down," I immediately stop listening to them because that's not even close to what they do, making it a terrible cue.
@@mike-0451 couldn't teacher man's cues and feels also possibly cause a kid to struggle. I mean if swinging down might create a pushing swing because the kid isn't understanding the feel. Wouldn't another kid barrel dump and be too stacked on the back leg if he doesn't understand teacher man's feels. Food for thought 🤔
@@bloopandablast9257 " I mean if swinging down might create a pushing swing because the kid isn't understanding the feel." Funny how that works. "Wouldn't another kid barrel dump and be too stacked on the back leg if he doesn't understand teacher man's feels. " No, and you can never be too stacked on the back leg unless you're literally standing on one leg, nor does he give any of his students stupid cues. He just shows them how to do it, then runs them through physical drills that force them into the correct movement.
A-Rod needs to learn about the Brachistochrome Curve…fastest path between two points. It resembles a Nike Swoosh. Barrel stays in hitting zone longer as well.
I coach 13u. I’d never teach this. However he still gets palm up on the top hand. This I do teach, which does cause the barrel to come under and meet the ball in the opposing direction to create drive and lift. Of course the hands go down, they have too because they start up near the shoulder. Otherwise you would be swinging up near your eyes.
One of the things that really screwed me up was reading “The Science of Hitting” by Ted Williams. He said that the most correct path of the swing is a slight upswing matching the plane of the pitch. Well, he’s right, but that made me swing under the ball for a while and I was popping up and striking out a lot. What I learned is that you can’t directly control the barrel, you can only control your hands and unless your hands are at you waist when you start you swing, the hands always start down to the ball. If you finish high then the barrel will take that slight upward path he was talking about
A Rod swears by what they teach your hands are going down,but what he doesn't realize is what the barrel is really doing lol plain and simple technology today shows what the barrel is doing.
And your mechanics distinguishes what your barrel does some people finish the barrel high like Aaron Judge and over the shoulder.
I believe it's what ever that player need to hear to make him get on the path, If a coach needs to tell the player I need you to swing to the moon in order to make that batter get behind the ball and on the path quickly and generate bat speed by all means do so, but if you tell other batter the same thing and this guy hits the ball actually to the moon then you as a coach need to change the approach. Comunication its diferent with everyone, i think a good coach needs to find the line of communication with his trainee, and all of them are different. my 2 cents!!
Thats exactly my point! Thanks Jorge for watching and commenting
I’m with you but he is saying it as if ever hitter needs to do what he is telling them, which will be right for some but wrong for others. I feel he also doesn’t do a good job of explaining himself. If he wants the hands to go down then he needs to say that. If he just says “swing down” people are going to automatically look at the barrel because you swing the bat, not the hands
I hear ya. Good points! Thanks for commenting thomas
I listened to guys like Antonelli Baseball and teacherman hitting and really had my son focused on knob up, tilt etc. my son went from consistent contact to striking out constantly. Went back to getting the top hand on top of the ball and Barry bonds high tee drill… 5 for 5 since.
Awesome. Love to hear it. Glad your son is having success... wishing him 10 times more. As for Antonelli and Teacherman, their stuff works. I like it. The key is about finding what works for your son.
How on earth! did he never look at his old swing?
ARod is a right handed hitter, right hand dominant. He’s talking about what his top hand is doing. Bottom hand pulling knob through the ball will naturally flatten out swing and bring barrel on plane.
I can see that. Thanks for the comment.
Do what the greats do, not what the greats say.
Why can't you do both?
@@JermaineCurtis55 Because coaches tell kids to swing down, and they swing down and ground out.
@@mike-0451 if a kid can't comprehend the meaning behind swing down he is much too young to be trying to imitate the greats just let'em swing
@@bloopandablast9257 Does "swing down" not mean "swing down" to you? How does "Swing down" mean turn the barrel backward behind you, then turn with the hips toward the sky and snap to the ball? Because thousands of kids heard that and swung down at the ball, then complain that their coaches ruined their swing. You can literally see Alex Rodriguez swing straight down to the ball.
@@mike-0451 Swing down means let your hands travel downward towards the ball not the barrel. Look at any A-rod or Barry bonds video and track the hands through the swing the hand path is straight and down. A lot of problems for youth hitters is dropping the hands below the ball making it harder to hit the fastball up. Though I will agree if it's not working then they should try something else when hitting you need to learn and adapt.
Arod never swung like that. He never swung down. Just watch his videos with Texas and Seattle.
He had a Ferris wheel swing not a merry go round swing.
Watch Judge or Ohtani
Great
The idea is to have the barrel in the hitting zone.
Trout doesn’t swing down.
Don’t they watch videos of themselves
Alex Rodriguez has always had a problem of dropping the hands under the ball. Barry bonds always talked about his back shoulder dropping too much. I think the theory here is to keep the hands ontop of the ball. Which makes sense since if he needed to hit the high heaters
Another player who swears by this is Pujols… but the slo-Mo video tells a different story.
All the best hitters swear by the same thing - Pujols, Bonds, Rodriguez, Mcgriff, Chipper Jones, Rickey Henderson, Mike Trout, etc. Feel whatever you need to feel to get the result.
@@JermaineCurtis55Totally agree with you Curtis, the old “feel vs Real” is absolutely real 😂
You have probably seen the video of ARod and Mike Trout discussing this, Trout demonstrated a swing that extremely different from the swing he actually takes.
As a hitter it does not matter what you are thinking about as long as what you’re thinking about helps you get in the right positioning.
One thing I do have a bit of an issue with, is that I think professionals should know the difference between what they are thinking and what they are actually doing when they are explaining publicly and lots of amateur players may be watching.
The amateur player may not know a lot about the actual swing, and may try to copy the positions that are not exactly what they should be doing
@@awakentotruthmichaelsmith4698 I agree with this.
Nice video again jermaine
Feel vs real.
Alex doesn’t know what he’s talking about. If he wants to talk about hitting, that’s fine, but swing mechanics are off limits. He doesn’t even understand the position he’s trying to argue against. The HLP, despite being one of the simplest assertions, seems to cause wish confusion and butthurt among fudds that the very basic principles are in question in every circle. If you want to know how to swing, watch the greats and copy them, but don’t listen to what they say.
I hear what you're saying. But I believe he's saying the same thing - Barry Bonds was his hitting coach. Barry Bonds teaches the same thing he talks about in this video. So he's basically, copying what the best hitter ever has taught him. I think anyone would listen if a great in there field gave them information.
@@JermaineCurtis55 I would listen to him if he actually did what he said he did, but he doesn't. These cues like "swing down" literally cause kids to swing down at the ball and push the bat. Go look at what Teachermanhitting is doing; he's coaching big league players and fixing their swings, but he's not giving them a bunch of brain dead cues like "swing down," because unless you're really stupid and just can't comprehend words, you're going to do exactly what they said.
If you lack the feel they are talking about, you aren't going to magically do what they do when they tell you. You're just going to do what they tell you, and they're going to get frustrated because you're doing exactly what they say but somehow not doing what they do. Alex Rodriguez and Bonds both had the same feel and both said the same thing, so them telling each other to swing down is like two cups pouring into each other.
Look, I get that people hear a big name and just eat up everything they say, but big names belong to small people. I knew a guy that was coached by Lance Berkman, and he said it was awful because he would go up there, swing, then become furious when his players couldn't do it like him. Great hitters are not necessarily experts in biomechanics, nor do they always make great teachers. I trust the truth, not people's words, no matter how "big" they are. I don't care who said them. I don't care if you never played above highschool if your swing looks like Barry Bonds. If what you teach causes people to swing like him (as with Teacherman for example), I will listen to that. But when these guys get up here and say dumb sh*t like "swing down," I immediately stop listening to them because that's not even close to what they do, making it a terrible cue.
I hear you. Good points. Thanks for commenting.
@@mike-0451 couldn't teacher man's cues and feels also possibly cause a kid to struggle. I mean if swinging down might create a pushing swing because the kid isn't understanding the feel. Wouldn't another kid barrel dump and be too stacked on the back leg if he doesn't understand teacher man's feels. Food for thought 🤔
@@bloopandablast9257 " I mean if swinging down might create a pushing swing because the kid isn't understanding the feel."
Funny how that works.
"Wouldn't another kid barrel dump and be too stacked on the back leg if he doesn't understand teacher man's feels. "
No, and you can never be too stacked on the back leg unless you're literally standing on one leg, nor does he give any of his students stupid cues. He just shows them how to do it, then runs them through physical drills that force them into the correct movement.
Step 1. Take steroids
Wasn't he good even before he took steroids?
A-Rod needs to learn about the Brachistochrome Curve…fastest path between two points. It resembles a Nike Swoosh. Barrel stays in hitting zone longer as well.
I coach 13u. I’d never teach this. However he still gets palm up on the top hand. This I do teach, which does cause the barrel to come under and meet the ball in the opposing direction to create drive and lift. Of course the hands go down, they have too because they start up near the shoulder. Otherwise you would be swinging up near your eyes.