Hi everyone, just a few quick notes as add on to the bike and a few tips if you want to select a similar one. The bike ist great and runs without trouble. I am riding BMW bikes since 1977, first was a R45, followed by countless R100RS, I was using them up to 90.000 km and then exchanged it for the next until the first R1200RT came. Some years I did up to 30.000 km in mostly in the mountains between Austria, Germany Switzerland and Italy. From the R1200RT I had a 2008, 2012 and a 2018 Model. Two milestones between the early and the 2008 models: The ABS System is modified and the later models got a better modulator. From 2010 on the engine and the instrument panel got as well a modification and some mechanics call it the best air cooled engine ever built. Later the Liquid / Air cooled engine came with 125 hp. From colleagues I heared that the problem with the fuel sensor foil of the early models is now history on the LC. I had with my 2008 once the trouble and the part got exchanged . That is not cheap when you do it at the BMW Service center is around 200 € all together. Riding the Bike is as Steve states a piece of cake when you consider the weight of around 270-290 kg. Change of parts when you are able to do it yourself it is easy to maintain. The only problem is then that the service reminder on the instruments is illuminated permanently as you need the OBD to connect with the laptop to tell the bike it was in service and the next 10.000 km or 12 Months it is good again. If you want to convert the single seater to a double seater again then look into Ebay, there you are able to locate some used back seat cushion at low price. If you are riding downunder you would not use the heated seat. The wiring is diffrent between the R1200RT and the R1200RT-P = Police version. Another diffrence is also that the frist gear is lower then the civil version to roll as slow as possible without pulling the clutch to find the exact grinding point. This is usefull to reduce the wear and tear. As a civil rider you rarely notice this but it is usefull when you escort during protocol visits in a cohort of 3, 5, 7 or even 15 bikes. The BMW plant in Berlin has a seperate production line for the P version. Some of the wirings are diffrent and also the crash bars left and right, front and back. If the bike is laight on the side it is better protected then the civil version. The shortfall is later the civilian utilisation, the side case does not fit a helmet, the civil version does but you need to change also the case holder left and right, if you cannot locate those parts used then you run quickly in a price range where you could buy a used civil bike with lower mileage / kilometers and have it all standart. Also, at least for me in my free time, it is nice to listen to the local radio station and get some entertainment as well. Nice feature also together with the radio and the Navigator 6 is the live traffic information on the display in front. It warns you of accidents, objects on the road or any other hazard. So far my add ons to the Steve´s video and comments. My next bike could be the R1250RT why? it comes with the cornering lights and has, at least here in Europe, a SOS emergency call system that automatically sends a 112 Call, like 911 in the US, and reports your position, it tries to built a voice connection as well but if the rider does not answer the position is located easier. Some riders who slide of the road into the slope on the side where found too late at the next day. If some would be found earlier they would be still alive. A feature my present bike has and the next also must have and I am more then glad if I never need it like the ABS and the ASC until today despite the far over 200 km / hr the bike travels if desired, happy that we are still able to do it now and then if conditions permit. Ride safe and return home happy, your friends and family deserves this. Best wishes PETER
Totally agree, it is a fantastic bike- I still don’t know exactly why but I wasn’t as blown away by it as I wanted to be. It’s still on the shortlist though, and I know if I owned one I’d be really happy with it.
@@NorthernTracksBiking I had 3 then got the K1600 gtl, now that’s a heavy bike. So returned to the RT. It would be a boring old world if we all liked the same things, so enjoy what you decide to get
I have been riding a GS since 2008. My current GS is an R1250GS which I have been riding for 4 years. I recently picked up a used 2018 R1200RT. I havent even touched the GS since I got the RT. I love the RT. I think the RT is a far superior street bike to the GS. The GS is a great all around, do everything bike. But if youre staying on paved road, the RT is better. BTW, the smaller 17" front wheel makes it more flickable,
I had a 1250 GS and now ride a 1250 RT. I find that the RT actually handles much, much better than the GS due to the 17" front tire and better rake and trail numbers. I ride the freeways here in Los Angeles every Sunday only to get up to the mountains, where I love to ride. When pushed, the RT handles similar to a sports bike on sweeping turns. The seating position on the GS is more comfortable with because your knees aren't bent as much, but the GS sits higher. Then, on the way home, I put it back in Road Mode, put the cruise control on and travel in calm air the whole way. Thanks for the video
Totally agree, though I dont have an R1250RT. I recently got a used 2018 R1200RT after riding an R1250GS for years, RT is hands down the better handling street bike. Both are great. But I dont off road anymore so the RT makes more sense.
Having had a life time of sports bikes and fancying a little comfort and European touring but not wishing to spend a fortune I decided panniers , shaft drive .. power to move the thing with a pillion /luggage at a price and kept coming back to BMW K1200S … found one in as new condition with 19,000 miles in the yellow /black and what a bike !!!! Love it
Totally agree, once you start buying with your head instead of heart and get the right bike to do the job there’s no looking back. Every time I ride a different bike I keep coming back to the same conclusion- I think the RT is the bike I should get. Going to have a go on the Ducati Multistrada V2 though anyway!
Ridden too many bikes to mention, but for the last ten years they’ve all been RT’s. Put bar risers and a lowering peg kit to provide a more upright sitting position. Love this bike ❤️👍
If I’d ridden the RT before trying the GS I’d probably have bought one. Definitely a great bike- problem is every bike I try just shows me how good my GS is…starting to think I don’t need to change it!
I bought my first RT in 1998, and have since owned four of them. It doesn't do everything perfectly, but it does everything I ask of it. I love to ride long distances and the RT's ergo could not be better. I am 6', 220 lbs, have a 34" inseam. My last BMW was a 2017 GSA and I sold it for my last RT. Cheers!
Had a similar question with my own 1200 GS until I had to make the decision when it was stolen so ended up getting the 1250 RS. Bar risers and larger screen later and it’s almost where I want it now. Love it.
Yep, having your bike swiped forces the issue! I’m really tempted to go for the 1250RS, I had a 2015 1200RS before the GS and loved it. Only problem is I have an urge to try something different…
Thanks for your views on the RT. I will collect mine this Friday. To be honest, I didn't even consider or test the GSA or the new GS. I wanted a full bells and whistles sports touring bike above all, and not a bike which has huge off road potential, but potential that I will never use. I also like all the toys on the RT. Looking forward to next year so I can get out and enjoy it properly.
Excellent, hope you enjoy it. Let me know how you get on, I’m seriously tempted with the RT…just need to get my head round how much it’s going to cost me! I’ll never use the off road ability of the GS but preferred the looks over the RT.
The RT beats out the Goldwing for being the best touring bike. I’ve ridden a number of Goldwings, FJR1300, Triumph Sprint and Harley’s. RT wins hand down Great video and safe travels.
I find that my GSA is mostly a road touring bike, with the ability to turn off to an unpaved path. Nice to have that option and not worry about scratching a saddlebag. But I am also wondering if the RT would be better suited to me. I want to go test ride one but I’m afraid I will like it too much 😂 Don’t want a 3rd bike so the Road Glide would have to be sold first, and maybe also the GSA, and keep it simple with only 1. There must be a reason that a lot of police departments worldwide are going RT over HD.
If I’d bought an RT instead of the GS I’m sure I’d have been very happy with it. I did like the bike, just not sure I like it enough to splash £20k on one…
I bought a 2022 RT a few months ago with 6k miles on it for £14k. I later noticed excessive corrosion on the engine casing. Its getting a brand new engine and gearbox fitted next week. Can't fault BM for their customer service and warranties. I love the bike. It rides way better than you'd expect after looking at it. Feels like a much smaller unit. Saying that I do plan on getting something smaller as a second bike for fun rides, probably an XSR900.
Sounds like great service from BMW. Good to hear something positive- it’s always the horror stories we hear most. RT and an XSR sounds like a perfect combination! I’m fairly sure I’ll end up getting an RT.
@@NorthernTracksBiking my neighbour is a Police motorcyclist and he swears by them. There's little that he cant keep up with on the road due to their superb handing. He says the only reason he doesn't own one personally is because its a 'work bike' for him but he'll probably get one in retirement.
Coming from a r1200GSA LC to a r1250 RT, it depends upon your use case. If you wander off the normal roads often, go for any GS. If you mostly ride on reasonable roads, you may check out the RT next time. Seat hight may also play a role. Safe riding! 👍
I’m basically a road rider but prefer the looks of the GS vs the RT. As I get older this seems to be becoming less important though…I keep coming back to the fact that the RT suits the type of riding I do perfectly. Plus I’m a short ar$e so the RT is a better fit!
Good film. I ride a 2019 1250RT: I keep it in road mode with auto suspension adjustment. I don't find it wallowy at all, I find it nimble, comfortable and precise and I can ride it very quickly when roads are quiet and vision is good. The only roads it doesn't swallow easily are some remote country lanes with lumpy foundations - such as those approaching Tan Hill Inn where I stayed recently. It gets a bit bouncy on these but the answer is to just slow down a bit. A GS might perform better in these conditions due to its trail-bike heritage, but how often do most of us encounter this type of surface? I've ridden mine all over North Wales and it's been a joy. I don't need to "muscle" the bike into any corner, the handling seems intuitive and reminds me of a 250! I previously had a 1200R for seven years which I loved except for the lack of weather protection. The variable valve timing on the 1250 makes it a hell of a lot faster - top gear pick up into the illegal speed realm is amazing! The only time any muscle is required is pushing it in and out of the garage. But my comments are based on being 6ft and 15 stone, and I can appreciate that if you're smaller your impressions may differ. Good luck.
Thanks for the comments! The RT definitely needs more input through the bars than a GS to drop it into a corner. It’s not enough to be a problem but certainly something I noticed riding the bikes back to back. The handling on road mode is generally good but on smaller, bumpier roads (probably more like the ones near Tan Hill) it definitively hasn’t got the composure of dynamic mode. Again, it’s not a massive problem but not something my GS suffers and disappeared when on dynamic mode. Lovely bike but, after riding it, I didn’t feel compelled to buy one straightaway. It’s still on the shortlist though!
Fair enough. I tend to steer mine with my arse and seldom think about handlebar inputs. It's a shame that there are so few shafties around, makes for a very limited choice, but fortunately for me the RT is a perfect match. @@NorthernTracksBiking
The GSA or the RT are both excellent options. The first is ultra flickable in any circumstances and the bike is also lighter. On the open roads the GSA can do it very well but the RT does it faster with a bit more comfort on higher speeds. On the RT the road mode is extra soft and it is more desirable with two on board. With the pilot and passenger on the bike you will not feel it wallaby wise and the suspension gets stiffer. With just the pilot the ride mode for me is also the dynamic mode. They’re are both very good. One more prepared for the spring and summer season and the other more desirable for the autumn and winter 😂 Nice video. Is always nice to watch a video where the sound of the riders voice is clear despite the speed and the wind blast. Only on a bike like this!👍🏻
I've had a 2020 R1250RT for over 2 years and really pleased with it. It does everything I need effortlessly. Great for twistys or motorway miles either 1 or 2 up. Nice video but I'm surprised at the speeds you filmed yourself doing.
Had an RT for 2 years - speed is an issue, (too easy to go quick) beaut machine, but swapped for R18 TC. Love the big boxer! And easier to be more pedestrian.
Good analogy, I was really hoping to be blown away by the RT but wasn’t. Maybe it’s too similar to the GS…I think you’re absolutely right- both make are great distance bikes.
Hi again, it's funny you mention the width of the RT. I filtered all the time on mine with no problems at all. The boxes don't stick out any further than the mirrors, so if they go through..... Mirrors take some getting used to being where they are, but they are brilliant. The pegs do give a different riding position to the GS, but on our trips I rode for 8 or 9 hours ( with stops) with no problems at all. The electronic suspension is lush, and that fairing/screen does an amazing job of keeping all kinds of weather off you. I really miss having a shaft drive bike😒😒 Nice to see you take it on the back roads to try it. I went to the RT from a Tracer 900GT, and was a bit wary at first. I needn't have been, once you are used to an RT you can push them as hard as you like on the bends. The RT's love long sweeping bends and you can really push them on those kinda bends, even two up. It's obvious why the Police use em, they really are a wolf in sheeps clothing. Having said all that, on tighter twisty roads, my mates on their RS's started to pull away from me. The biggest problem for me, was the weight. I'm still waiting on a shoulder op and it was just too heavy to wheel around to get her in/out the garage. I dropped mine 3 times so she had to go. The Versys I've got now isn't actually that much lighter than an RT, but it feels so much lighter. I do wonder though, that once this shoulder is hopefully fixed, there may be a 1250RT in the offing. I loved my 1200 that much. I think you should try the 1250GS also, that engine is quite a bit better than the 1200 by all accounts.
Hi again! I can’t argue that the RT is a great bike but I just didn’t love it as much as I thought I would. I did have a 2015 1200RS which I liked a lot so could be an option. I’m going to try some of the chain drive options- Tracer 9, Ninja 1000SX, Suzuki GSX1000GT, Tiger 900, NT1100 along with the 1250RS and possibly the Mandello…
Having had the 1100, 1150, & 1200 GS bikes, I moved to a 1200RT (putting 60k miles on) and now have the 1250RT (non-TFT screen version). Perspective - 51 year dude, been riding 35 years, commuting and recreational, all weathers, a couple of crashes (nothing too major), and IAM Roadsmart F1rst & Masters Distinction accredited as I take road safety very seriously. Do I regret the change - yes and no. Yes - the GS is one of the best bikes currently in production, it can and will do everything you need it to. There are also very few places to add personalised No - the GS is a bitch to keep clean, and the wet weather protection is way less. Regarding the Road/Dynamic settings, I agree that the road setting feels washed-out, but on a motorway it is simply heaven, and so that is where I used it initially. Interestingly, having forced myself to use 'road' on non-motorways it didn't take too long to overcome that washy wallowy feeling (a few months) and it meant that if I did want to 'make progress when the conditions allowed', slipping it into dynamic made everything waaaaaay more responsive. I also feel much happier filtering on it now and I love the ease of cleaning. This is my first continued use of the Quickshift system, and having now done around 7000 miles on my 1250RT I am not a massive fan. I can up-shift far smoother using standard clutchless changing, and the downshifting micro-blip seems more useful when wringing the neck out of the bike, which I'm getting too old to do anyway. I prefer my old way of seamless downshift matching. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I don't see why BMW needed to put these features on their bikes. I try to borrow a 1250GS when I service mine, I adore the day on it, and then feel content getting back on the RT; does this answer your question?
Thank you for that, really useful comments. I’m starting to feel that the RT could be perfect for me. Just need to find a spare £12k or so somewhere…or do I wait for the 1300 version which must be coming now the 1300GS is here?
Im on my 3rd GS and am constantly looking for an alternative just because I get a bit bored and fancy a change. I've tried the Africa Twin, KTM super Adventure Tiger 900 and Multistrada. Aswell as these ive tried the RT,the RS and XR. In all cases getting back on my GS was a relief and like putting on an old pair of slippers. It made me really appreciate how much the GS suits me. I've considered Moto Guzzi but there simply aren't any dealers anywhere near me. The only bike that came close for me was the 1250R which with a touring screen might be the bike I should have got years ago. However for me it wasnt enough to swap the GS and incur cost and hassle. I often ask myself that if my GS was stolen and had the insurance cheque what would I go and buy. Wanting a shaft drive Im sure it would be a GS!
got to say I did like my GS, like you say a 1250R with a touring screen could be a winner. Personally I'd probably go back to an RS as an alternative to a GS
Coming from sportsbikes but getting old ( aren’t we all ) and wanting something a little comfier and indeed ‘slower’ to go touring on but still wishing to have shaft drive the obvious choices of a GS ( but I don’t want to go the long way round to Tescos with all the ‘Charlie’s’ … and the RT is a bit of a bus so I went for the underrated RS , a few mods later ( tall tinted screen, raised handlebars and a motorrad 6 satnav) and I’ve never been happier with a bike 😊
I did like my RS a lot, it’s still on the radar for my next bike. I didn’t make any changes to mine and found it comfy and plenty quick enough. Seat height suited me better too…
I’m your height and had three GSs, the last a 1250 GSA. Got tired of the height and weight so now on a Multistrada V2S (950) which is superb if chain drive and a lot more sports focussed though very comfy. If I went back to the superb boxer engine I’d try the RS with the optional R bars, bit of an open secret that it’s a superb road bike and suited to us guys with limited height and no intention of anything rougher than a bumpy back lane. If I carried a pillion regularly I’d try the RT.
Thanks Ian, the V2S is definitely on the list of possibles. Good to know height is ok! I had a 2015 1200RS for a couple of years and really liked it. I’m always loathe to buy the same model again so fancy something different. Shaft drive vs chain though….always compromises to be made…
I went for the R1250RS instead of the RT or GS. I found it suited me better as with the luggage option, panniers. top box and tank bag, it gives me the ability to tour and be a normal sports bike in 3 minutes. Also it does all the things the GS/GSA does without the weight.
@@NorthernTracksBiking Mine is a 2022. I did test ride on a 2016/17 model and liked it . But I had three Harley's then so I kinda ran out of room. Not got the Harley's though.
Currently angling your way. The rs is less heavy,less wide, less bulky No car mirrors, No radio. Same motor, same tech, same luggage.The difference is wind protection.What was your solution for WInd protection on long distance Highway trech?
I am driving somewhere around 40k km a year. Rain, storm, sun, day, night. Last bike was r1200rt. Sold it with 190000 km on it. Now i have r1250rt. I have only one complain - the mirrors! They vibrating at around 100-120 km/h.
@@NorthernTracksBiking , it's not a common problem (vibrating mirrors). But I got lucky. That 190k km is a good proof, but I have seen lots of motorcycles with around 250k, heard of a guy with 340k.
@@Hiawathado The "Ah Ah" about 190,000-340,000Km is that you can get a used bike with 60,000Km and get it at a third of the price of a new one. It'll do everything in as much comfort as the new one and last for another 10 years. You can't beat the value of a well built BMW. Maintain them and they last forever. Currently riding a 2001 R11150R, with 80,000Km, buying it for less than the interest cost on a new one. Of course the power is way less. But here in Canada our speed limits are 100-120Km. You ride 50 over,vehicle is seized, you get fined Thousands, and lose your license for 5 years not counting increased insurance cost. So the 1250 will take you to 150Km in 3rd gear, ooops what are theose flashes you get in the mirrror OH SHit. Old BMW Great value
@InterimExec Haha. You are right. I am planning to ride this one till 200k. So I have two, maybe three more years to go. This boxers are really great machines.
I would recommend trying the 1250GS or the 1250GSA before jumping ship. I have had 2 1250GSA's the first was standard chassis which i was not over confident on as i am 5'10" with a short leg. I then traded that in for the 1250 GSA lowered chssis, best decision i ever made.
Thanks Craig, I’d definitely need a lowered GSA…Riding the RT made me realise I actually like my bike more than I thought. The RT would definitely be a “head” purchase not a “heart” purchase. Plenty of other bikes to try first though!
Another worth trying is the FJR1300? The RS would need the higher bars mod or something like Helibar risers but feels the quickest and best handling of all the boxer bikes. I replaced my gsa with an RS which really I prefer riding.
Yes the 19” is probably less flickable- just not when it’s attached to the much wider bars and different geometry of the GS compared to the RT. I’m not a professional journalist so will make mistakes or not fully explain what I’m feeling/thinking occasionally.
A better comparison would be the GSA. My biggest complaint is the weight when stopped. You really need to be careful when pulling off from a stop. That is when it feels top heavy.
In terms of weight it’s probably a better comparison but I’ve not ridden a GSA, they’re too tall for me. Plus I’m testing bikes as a replace for my GS so wouldn’t be much point comparing RT to something I don’t own, have never ridden and isn’t on my shortlist. Might be different if I was 6’ 2”!
Adaptive cruise control - I’m surprised those systems are set to work on distance between vehicles and not time between vehicles. If it were time between vehicles, a lesser or greater distance would be automatically calculated depending on the speed.
It would seem to make more sense to base it on the old 2 second gap rule with an increased gap for wet weather maybe. I’m sure all these companies using radar cruise have thought of this and discounted it for some valid reason…
@@binness Any speed can be expressed as feet/metres per second. To calculate a safe following distance, just multiply that number by two or perhaps by three if there are wet conditions. I’m sure the on-board computer can figure that out pretty quickly. No reference point required.
I went from a 1200rt to a 1250rt and the performance difference was noticeable. I'd expect the same if you went for a 1250gs. I fully expect the new 1300 engine to find its way onto the RT soon. There is nowhere to mount a camera on the bike on the RT, other than an adapter that replaces the badge on the handlebars. The RT absolutely can filter, but it is almost one metre wide, so there are definitely situations I wouldn't follow a slimmer bike through. Leave road mode for the motorway, switch to dynamic for the country roads. The satnav system really requires a modern phone. If you do what I did and buy a cheap recon Nokia from Amazon, expect frequent disconnections. Having said all that, I love my RT, I love the big bike feel and I love that it shouldn't be able to handle the way it does. I love that I can leave my helmet locked in a pannier when I get off it. The powered windshield. The heated seat. The illuminated, carpet-lined top box,.....
No, not yet. I’ve got a friend who’s just bought one and seems to be enjoying it. The GS has gone, video coming soon when I get a chance to get some editing done!
Overall, a very helpful review. But…the 17” front wheel gives it LESS flickability than the 19” on the GS? That makes very little sense to me. A 17” is a sport bike tire size and produces much quicker steering. The 19” larger diameter creates more stability but slower steering. What you’re feeling is not down to the wheel size, but rather the narrower, angled bars and greater weight of the RT.
Thanks Jim, I don’t profess to be a profess to be an expert bike journalist. I always feel bikes with 19” wheels are less planted than 17”, but I’m sure you’re right that it’s more the bikes’ bar width and geometry making the difference not the wheel size…
I’ve got a 2018 r1200gs which has been great, never let me down. Have you thought about the brand new r1300gs? It’s going to be revealed later this month and is rumoured to be lighter and have automatic lowering suspension, similar to the HD Pan American I guess. This could be a revelation for anyone effected by the relatively high seat and loving the quality and service from BMW
I do the same thing couple weeks ago and RT didn't impress me over my GS. Same engine, same width, RT have stronger brakes and better wind protection and better seat... and that's it. GS have better seating position, it's better on bad roads and bumps, better luggage options and can be used on and off road. I didn't like how my helmet can't fit in top box and due to shorter suspension travel your spine feel every bump.on road that GS don't notice at all But i can say that RT looks much better and i like it but didn't found any major difference over GS that will make me swap from GS to RT. I'am better on GS
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said there and struggle to validate spending the extra money on the RT. I did find the suspension of the 1250RT better than my 2018 1200 GS though…
I have to drive 400 miles one way to get a chance to sit on one, let alone test ride. I did not fit well on an R18, but I know that is like comparing apples to oranges.
Personaly having had the issues and the way B.M.W. dealt with me I would not be given a B.M.W. over priced both parts and the bikes themselves Chester branch apparently agreed with B.M.W. my case was not justified ie yet again fuel pump issues having had many many re calls apparently now its not their doing ???????????? Well done B.M.W. !!!and thanks for all the help "not" !!!!!!!!!!!!
At a gues I would say they were new bikes or newish ?? Sadly we cant all afford these silly prices they ask/demand when new. Try owning one thats lets say 8/9/10 years old !! I would ride my Honda to where ever you asked I am happy leaving the Bema in the shed its safe there without a lock because only a fool would steal it sorry sorry no it is great for parts. Sorry if I sound bitter and twisted but I only say it as I see it or how I was dealt with I am happy for you good luck and safe riding as always ! @@NorthernTracksBiking
I traded my 14 GS, for a new 18 RT. I felt like I would Die on the GS, it made me ride like a maniac ? The rt not so much. The GS had better suspension, and being a taller 6 foot rider I love the ride position of the gs more. The 14 had a lighter crankshaft too, it ran much better. 2.91 gear GS vs 2.75 rt.
Interesting, I never felt like the GS made me ride like a hooligan. I suppose the RT is a bit more sedate- it’s a bike to enjoy rafting around on. It can get a boogie on though when you want to!
Surprised to hear the RT rode smoother than the GS. I have heard several reviews which said the opposite, which makes sense given how much more suspension travel the GS has. Perhaps it comes down to the 1250 just having an improved suspension compared to the 1200.
I suppose these observations are always going to be subjective, it definitely felt plusher to me. Like you I can only assume the suspension has been improved in the years since my model was developed.
For me the weight is a bitch below about 12 mph after that it could be an 800,I love all the protection,I went for a bigger screen,love the fact no need to live in the gearbox like you on a 125,mine is only used for what it was made to do and that is touring and it is only two up,if I was going solo not sure what I would go for.I hate what people call clean air to me that is just windy
Like most big bikes once you’re rolling the weight isn’t an issue. My only problem with the weight is that I have to get the bike in my garage sideways on a centre stand dolly- its a really tight fit and very awkward. Another 25kg or so on top of the GS’s weight just makes it that little bit more difficult…
I currently have a 24plate rt. Whilst mine is serviced my bike is a 22 gsa i found the rt is horrible in corners it fall into corner so much so i have to hold the bike on the counter steer realised tyres were quite liw front 33osi rear 38psi i have topped air up and i will take it for a ride later to see if that helps. One thing i notice it feels like i am sat ontop of it as appose ti sitting in my gsa i am defo sure i made the right choice pure and simple gs/gsa is a far better bike i am 6ft and my gsa offers simular wind management not a fan of silly leccy screen i find myself messing with it too much gsa is the king full stop
There’s much to be said about bikes having too much gear and faffing about on the move. I do way too much messing about on TFT screens checking mpg etc etc. In a way I miss the old days when a bike was well equipped if it had a fuel gauge!
@@NorthernTracksBiking some of the tech is good imo some over the top i have a daytona 955 which i have owned a year and whilst its fun its hard to ride by comparison i had it speed tripled so comfy but the bmw almost rides itself
Looks a corker of a bike! Cheers for the video, I ride a BMW R1200R, which I love, but I really like the RT. Not sure if I could manage the weight at 66 years old 😂
Cracking bike, lot of £ though! Its a lump to push about but doesn't feel it at a standstill. As oer usual all the weight disappears when you get moving.
I have had 2 hexhead r1200rt a few years ago i liked them my current bike i a 72 plate gsa rallye i have tried the rt a few montha ago and to be honest i didnt like it at all it felt too low and too cramped
In isolation I think the RT is just as comfortable as the GS. I’d need a longer ride to definitively test the RT though, I’ve done 10-12 hr days on the GS and been fine.
@@NorthernTracksBiking trust me dude the gsa 1250 beats the rt hands down the rt feels too cossiting therefore it removes the rider from the feeling of freedom no doubt the rt is a great highway bike and handles well its imo the very best fully dressed tourer where the gsa has it beaten is more legroom more involvement less cossiting yet still very cossiting. More versitile also the 21 on gsa has steeper head angle than gs so is super flickable the 1250 gsa pops on gear change up and down gsa also has all day comfort also from 21 gsa has heated seat option until late 22 when it was dropped 21 on gsa has 6 axis imu also adaptive led h light 7 ride modes 3 suspension modes plus low min max and auto it returns over 60mpg
Ok, what exactly are you struggling with? Is it the speed I talk at? Accent? Yours is the first comment I’ve had regarding not catching what I’m saying other than non-English speakers…Give me a clue and I might be able to change something…
Mine was on Bridgestone A41s when I bought it. They last for ages but are very noisy on the GS. Swapped to Michelin Road 6s about 18 months ago- great tyre and so much quieter than the Bridgestone. Might not last as long but seem to have more grip.
Fair comment, I didn’t bother with a walk around as both bikes have been around for some time now and there’s so many videos on RUclips with a walk around that I assumed everyone would have been familiar with both bikes by now. Will do one next time!
All depends on what you're comparing it to. I cut my teeth riding 600cc supersport bikes so anything more than about 200kg is a heavy bike....my 1200GS is about 250kg and the RT is about 280kg and in my opinion they're both big and heavy. I don't really have much interest in owning either a Goldwing or any Harley. I can't see much benefit from buying a bike weighing over 400kgs and costing over £30k when there are much cheaper lighter alternatives, however, if you know of anyone who doesn't mind lending me one of either I'm more than happy to dick about on it for a day and give my opinions!
Hi everyone,
just a few quick notes as add on to the bike and a few tips if you want to select a similar one.
The bike ist great and runs without trouble. I am riding BMW bikes since 1977, first was a R45, followed by countless R100RS, I was using them up to 90.000 km and then exchanged it for the next until the first R1200RT came. Some years I did up to 30.000 km in mostly in the mountains between Austria, Germany Switzerland and Italy. From the R1200RT I had a 2008, 2012 and a 2018 Model.
Two milestones between the early and the 2008 models: The ABS System is modified and the later models got a better modulator. From 2010 on the engine and the instrument panel got as well a modification and some mechanics call it the best air cooled engine ever built. Later the Liquid / Air cooled engine came with 125 hp. From colleagues I heared that the problem with the fuel sensor foil of the early models is now history on the LC. I had with my 2008 once the trouble and the part got exchanged . That is not cheap when you do it at the BMW Service center is around 200 € all together.
Riding the Bike is as Steve states a piece of cake when you consider the weight of around 270-290 kg. Change of parts when you are able to do it yourself it is easy to maintain. The only problem is then that the service reminder on the instruments is illuminated permanently as you need the OBD to connect with the laptop to tell the bike it was in service and the next 10.000 km or 12 Months it is good again.
If you want to convert the single seater to a double seater again then look into Ebay, there you are able to locate some used back seat cushion at low price. If you are riding downunder you would not use the heated seat. The wiring is diffrent between the R1200RT and the R1200RT-P = Police version. Another diffrence is also that the frist gear is lower then the civil version to roll as slow as possible without pulling the clutch to find the exact grinding point. This is usefull to reduce the wear and tear. As a civil rider you rarely notice this but it is usefull when you escort during protocol visits in a cohort of 3, 5, 7 or even 15 bikes.
The BMW plant in Berlin has a seperate production line for the P version. Some of the wirings are diffrent and also the crash bars left and right, front and back. If the bike is laight on the side it is better protected then the civil version. The shortfall is later the civilian utilisation, the side case does not fit a helmet, the civil version does but you need to change also the case holder left and right, if you cannot locate those parts used then you run quickly in a price range where you could buy a used civil bike with lower mileage / kilometers and have it all standart. Also, at least for me in my free time, it is nice to listen to the local radio station and get some entertainment as well. Nice feature also together with the radio and the Navigator 6 is the live traffic information on the display in front. It warns you of accidents, objects on the road or any other hazard.
So far my add ons to the Steve´s video and comments. My next bike could be the R1250RT why? it comes with the cornering lights and has, at least here in Europe, a SOS emergency call system that automatically sends a 112 Call, like 911 in the US, and reports your position, it tries to built a voice connection as well but if the rider does not answer the position is located easier. Some riders who slide of the road into the slope on the side where found too late at the next day. If some would be found earlier they would be still alive. A feature my present bike has and the next also must have and I am more then glad if I never need it like the ABS and the ASC until today despite the far over 200 km / hr the bike travels if desired, happy that we are still able to do it now and then if conditions permit.
Ride safe and return home happy, your friends and family deserves this. Best wishes PETER
Thank you for the comment- you’ve definitely got the record for the longest comment I’ve received! Some really great information in there.
I’m on my 4th RT now, the latest one being a 2023 - 1250. They are just brilliant machines, not perfect but so very good at everything.
Totally agree, it is a fantastic bike- I still don’t know exactly why but I wasn’t as blown away by it as I wanted to be. It’s still on the shortlist though, and I know if I owned one I’d be really happy with it.
@@NorthernTracksBiking I had 3 then got the K1600 gtl, now that’s a heavy bike. So returned to the RT. It would be a boring old world if we all liked the same things, so enjoy what you decide to get
I have been riding a GS since 2008. My current GS is an R1250GS which I have been riding for 4 years. I recently picked up a used 2018 R1200RT. I havent even touched the GS since I got the RT. I love the RT. I think the RT is a far superior street bike to the GS. The GS is a great all around, do everything bike. But if youre staying on paved road, the RT is better. BTW, the smaller 17" front wheel makes it more flickable,
Yeah, I know its probably the steering geometry and bar width that make the GS feel slightly lighter to flick over on its ear rather than wheel size.
I had a 1250 GS and now ride a 1250 RT. I find that the RT actually handles much, much better than the GS due to the 17" front tire and better rake and trail numbers. I ride the freeways here in Los Angeles every Sunday only to get up to the mountains, where I love to ride. When pushed, the RT handles similar to a sports bike on sweeping turns. The seating position on the GS is more comfortable with because your knees aren't bent as much, but the GS sits higher. Then, on the way home, I put it back in Road Mode, put the cruise control on and travel in calm air the whole way. Thanks for the video
Thank you, I appreciate the comment
Totally agree, though I dont have an R1250RT. I recently got a used 2018 R1200RT after riding an R1250GS for years, RT is hands down the better handling street bike. Both are great. But I dont off road anymore so the RT makes more sense.
Having had a life time of sports bikes and fancying a little comfort and European touring but not wishing to spend a fortune I decided panniers , shaft drive .. power to move the thing with a pillion /luggage at a price and kept coming back to BMW K1200S … found one in as new condition with 19,000 miles in the yellow /black and what a bike !!!! Love it
Totally agree, once you start buying with your head instead of heart and get the right bike to do the job there’s no looking back. Every time I ride a different bike I keep coming back to the same conclusion- I think the RT is the bike I should get. Going to have a go on the Ducati Multistrada V2 though anyway!
Ridden too many bikes to mention, but for the last ten years they’ve all been RT’s. Put bar risers and a lowering peg kit to provide a more upright sitting position. Love this bike ❤️👍
If I’d ridden the RT before trying the GS I’d probably have bought one. Definitely a great bike- problem is every bike I try just shows me how good my GS is…starting to think I don’t need to change it!
I bought my first RT in 1998, and have since owned four of them. It doesn't do everything perfectly, but it does everything I ask of it. I love to ride long distances and the RT's ergo could not be better. I am 6', 220 lbs, have a 34" inseam. My last BMW was a 2017 GSA and I sold it for my last RT. Cheers!
Thanks for the comment, I’ve no intention to ride off road so the RT would be perfect for the type of riding I do.
Had a similar question with my own 1200 GS until I had to make the decision when it was stolen so ended up getting the 1250 RS. Bar risers and larger screen later and it’s almost where I want it now. Love it.
Yep, having your bike swiped forces the issue! I’m really tempted to go for the 1250RS, I had a 2015 1200RS before the GS and loved it. Only problem is I have an urge to try something different…
just wait till something goes wrong and then see how you love it and B.M.W. ??????????
Thanks for your views on the RT. I will collect mine this Friday. To be honest, I didn't even consider or test the GSA or the new GS. I wanted a full bells and whistles sports touring bike above all, and not a bike which has huge off road potential, but potential that I will never use. I also like all the toys on the RT. Looking forward to next year so I can get out and enjoy it properly.
Excellent, hope you enjoy it. Let me know how you get on, I’m seriously tempted with the RT…just need to get my head round how much it’s going to cost me! I’ll never use the off road ability of the GS but preferred the looks over the RT.
The RT beats out the Goldwing for being the best touring bike. I’ve ridden a number of Goldwings, FJR1300, Triumph Sprint and Harley’s. RT wins hand down Great video and safe travels.
I find that my GSA is mostly a road touring bike, with the ability to turn off to an unpaved path. Nice to have that option and not worry about scratching a saddlebag. But I am also wondering if the RT would be better suited to me. I want to go test ride one but I’m afraid I will like it too much 😂 Don’t want a 3rd bike so the Road Glide would have to be sold first, and maybe also the GSA, and keep it simple with only 1. There must be a reason that a lot of police departments worldwide are going RT over HD.
If I’d bought an RT instead of the GS I’m sure I’d have been very happy with it. I did like the bike, just not sure I like it enough to splash £20k on one…
I bought a 2022 RT a few months ago with 6k miles on it for £14k. I later noticed excessive corrosion on the engine casing. Its getting a brand new engine and gearbox fitted next week. Can't fault BM for their customer service and warranties. I love the bike. It rides way better than you'd expect after looking at it. Feels like a much smaller unit. Saying that I do plan on getting something smaller as a second bike for fun rides, probably an XSR900.
Sounds like great service from BMW. Good to hear something positive- it’s always the horror stories we hear most. RT and an XSR sounds like a perfect combination! I’m fairly sure I’ll end up getting an RT.
@@NorthernTracksBiking my neighbour is a Police motorcyclist and he swears by them. There's little that he cant keep up with on the road due to their superb handing. He says the only reason he doesn't own one personally is because its a 'work bike' for him but he'll probably get one in retirement.
As good a recommendation as you’ll ever hear! Any bike that the police use tends to be a good one!
Coming from a r1200GSA LC to a r1250 RT, it depends upon your use case. If you wander off the normal roads often, go for any GS. If you mostly ride on reasonable roads, you may check out the RT next time. Seat hight may also play a role. Safe riding! 👍
I’m basically a road rider but prefer the looks of the GS vs the RT. As I get older this seems to be becoming less important though…I keep coming back to the fact that the RT suits the type of riding I do perfectly. Plus I’m a short ar$e so the RT is a better fit!
Good film. I ride a 2019 1250RT: I keep it in road mode with auto suspension adjustment. I don't find it wallowy at all, I find it nimble, comfortable and precise and I can ride it very quickly when roads are quiet and vision is good. The only roads it doesn't swallow easily are some remote country lanes with lumpy foundations - such as those approaching Tan Hill Inn where I stayed recently. It gets a bit bouncy on these but the answer is to just slow down a bit. A GS might perform better in these conditions due to its trail-bike heritage, but how often do most of us encounter this type of surface? I've ridden mine all over North Wales and it's been a joy. I don't need to "muscle" the bike into any corner, the handling seems intuitive and reminds me of a 250! I previously had a 1200R for seven years which I loved except for the lack of weather protection. The variable valve timing on the 1250 makes it a hell of a lot faster - top gear pick up into the illegal speed realm is amazing! The only time any muscle is required is pushing it in and out of the garage. But my comments are based on being 6ft and 15 stone, and I can appreciate that if you're smaller your impressions may differ. Good luck.
Thanks for the comments! The RT definitely needs more input through the bars than a GS to drop it into a corner. It’s not enough to be a problem but certainly something I noticed riding the bikes back to back. The handling on road mode is generally good but on smaller, bumpier roads (probably more like the ones near Tan Hill) it definitively hasn’t got the composure of dynamic mode. Again, it’s not a massive problem but not something my GS suffers and disappeared when on dynamic mode. Lovely bike but, after riding it, I didn’t feel compelled to buy one straightaway. It’s still on the shortlist though!
Fair enough. I tend to steer mine with my arse and seldom think about handlebar inputs. It's a shame that there are so few shafties around, makes for a very limited choice, but fortunately for me the RT is a perfect match. @@NorthernTracksBiking
The GSA or the RT are both excellent options. The first is ultra flickable in any circumstances and the bike is also lighter. On the open roads the GSA can do it very well but the RT does it faster with a bit more comfort on higher speeds. On the RT the road mode is extra soft and it is more desirable with two on board. With the pilot and passenger on the bike you will not feel it wallaby wise and the suspension gets stiffer. With just the pilot the ride mode for me is also the dynamic mode. They’re are both very good. One more prepared for the spring and summer season and the other more desirable for the autumn and winter 😂
Nice video. Is always nice to watch a video where the sound of the riders voice is clear despite the speed and the wind blast. Only on a bike like this!👍🏻
Thank you for the comment, would be interesting to try the modes with a pillion.
I've had a 2020 R1250RT for over 2 years and really pleased with it.
It does everything I need effortlessly. Great for twistys or motorway miles either 1 or 2 up.
Nice video but I'm surprised at the speeds you filmed yourself doing.
Thank you. The RT’s still a front runner in my short list. …I don’t remember going particularly quickly on that one!
Had an RT for 2 years - speed is an issue, (too easy to go quick) beaut machine, but swapped for R18 TC. Love the big boxer! And easier to be more pedestrian.
The RT’s a deceptively quick bike for a big comfy lump- totally understand why police use them.
If the RT is the BMW 5 Series, the GS is the X5. Both Models are fantastic and you will not go wrong with either one.
Good analogy, I was really hoping to be blown away by the RT but wasn’t. Maybe it’s too similar to the GS…I think you’re absolutely right- both make are great distance bikes.
Great comparison man
Hi again, it's funny you mention the width of the RT. I filtered all the time on mine with no problems at all. The boxes don't stick out any further than the mirrors, so if they go through.....
Mirrors take some getting used to being where they are, but they are brilliant. The pegs do give a different riding position to the GS, but on our trips I rode for 8 or 9 hours ( with stops) with no problems at all. The electronic suspension is lush, and that fairing/screen does an amazing job of keeping all kinds of weather off you. I really miss having a shaft drive bike😒😒
Nice to see you take it on the back roads to try it. I went to the RT from a Tracer 900GT, and was a bit wary at first. I needn't have been, once you are used to an RT you can push them as hard as you like on the bends. The RT's love long sweeping bends and you can really push them on those kinda bends, even two up. It's obvious why the Police use em, they really are a wolf in sheeps clothing. Having said all that, on tighter twisty roads, my mates on their RS's started to pull away from me.
The biggest problem for me, was the weight. I'm still waiting on a shoulder op and it was just too heavy to wheel around to get her in/out the garage. I dropped mine 3 times so she had to go. The Versys I've got now isn't actually that much lighter than an RT, but it feels so much lighter.
I do wonder though, that once this shoulder is hopefully fixed, there may be a 1250RT in the offing. I loved my 1200 that much.
I think you should try the 1250GS also, that engine is quite a bit better than the 1200 by all accounts.
Hi again! I can’t argue that the RT is a great bike but I just didn’t love it as much as I thought I would. I did have a 2015 1200RS which I liked a lot so could be an option. I’m going to try some of the chain drive options- Tracer 9, Ninja 1000SX, Suzuki GSX1000GT, Tiger 900, NT1100 along with the 1250RS and possibly the Mandello…
@@NorthernTracksBiking That V100 Mandello looks a nice bike
Very different too- always fancied a Guzzi!
Having had the 1100, 1150, & 1200 GS bikes, I moved to a 1200RT (putting 60k miles on) and now have the 1250RT (non-TFT screen version). Perspective - 51 year dude, been riding 35 years, commuting and recreational, all weathers, a couple of crashes (nothing too major), and IAM Roadsmart F1rst & Masters Distinction accredited as I take road safety very seriously.
Do I regret the change - yes and no.
Yes - the GS is one of the best bikes currently in production, it can and will do everything you need it to. There are also very few places to add personalised
No - the GS is a bitch to keep clean, and the wet weather protection is way less.
Regarding the Road/Dynamic settings, I agree that the road setting feels washed-out, but on a motorway it is simply heaven, and so that is where I used it initially. Interestingly, having forced myself to use 'road' on non-motorways it didn't take too long to overcome that washy wallowy feeling (a few months) and it meant that if I did want to 'make progress when the conditions allowed', slipping it into dynamic made everything waaaaaay more responsive. I also feel much happier filtering on it now and I love the ease of cleaning.
This is my first continued use of the Quickshift system, and having now done around 7000 miles on my 1250RT I am not a massive fan. I can up-shift far smoother using standard clutchless changing, and the downshifting micro-blip seems more useful when wringing the neck out of the bike, which I'm getting too old to do anyway. I prefer my old way of seamless downshift matching. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I don't see why BMW needed to put these features on their bikes.
I try to borrow a 1250GS when I service mine, I adore the day on it, and then feel content getting back on the RT; does this answer your question?
Thank you for that, really useful comments. I’m starting to feel that the RT could be perfect for me. Just need to find a spare £12k or so somewhere…or do I wait for the 1300 version which must be coming now the 1300GS is here?
@@NorthernTracksBiking I've never bought new, and deals are rife when a new model appears.
Im on my 3rd GS and am constantly looking for an alternative just because I get a bit bored and fancy a change. I've tried the Africa Twin, KTM super Adventure Tiger 900 and Multistrada. Aswell as these ive tried the RT,the RS and XR. In all cases getting back on my GS was a relief and like putting on an old pair of slippers. It made me really appreciate how much the GS suits me. I've considered Moto Guzzi but there simply aren't any dealers anywhere near me. The only bike that came close for me was the 1250R which with a touring screen might be the bike I should have got years ago. However for me it wasnt enough to swap the GS and incur cost and hassle.
I often ask myself that if my GS was stolen and had the insurance cheque what would I go and buy. Wanting a shaft drive Im sure it would be a GS!
got to say I did like my GS, like you say a 1250R with a touring screen could be a winner. Personally I'd probably go back to an RS as an alternative to a GS
Coming from sportsbikes but getting old ( aren’t we all ) and wanting something a little comfier and indeed ‘slower’ to go touring on but still wishing to have shaft drive the obvious choices of a GS ( but I don’t want to go the long way round to Tescos with all the ‘Charlie’s’ … and the RT is a bit of a bus so I went for the underrated RS , a few mods later ( tall tinted screen, raised handlebars and a motorrad 6 satnav) and I’ve never been happier with a bike 😊
I did like my RS a lot, it’s still on the radar for my next bike. I didn’t make any changes to mine and found it comfy and plenty quick enough. Seat height suited me better too…
I’m your height and had three GSs, the last a 1250 GSA. Got tired of the height and weight so now on a Multistrada V2S (950) which is superb if chain drive and a lot more sports focussed though very comfy. If I went back to the superb boxer engine I’d try the RS with the optional R bars, bit of an open secret that it’s a superb road bike and suited to us guys with limited height and no intention of anything rougher than a bumpy back lane. If I carried a pillion regularly I’d try the RT.
Thanks Ian, the V2S is definitely on the list of possibles. Good to know height is ok! I had a 2015 1200RS for a couple of years and really liked it. I’m always loathe to buy the same model again so fancy something different. Shaft drive vs chain though….always compromises to be made…
I went for the R1250RS instead of the RT or GS. I found it suited me better as with the luggage option, panniers. top box and tank bag, it gives me the ability to tour and be a normal sports bike in 3 minutes. Also it does all the things the GS/GSA does without the weight.
I really liked my 2015 RS, was a great bike and I found it comfortable enough as standard for 600 mile days.
@@NorthernTracksBiking Mine is a 2022. I did test ride on a 2016/17 model and liked it . But I had three Harley's then so I kinda ran out of room. Not got the Harley's though.
Currently angling your way. The rs is less heavy,less wide, less bulky No car mirrors, No radio. Same motor, same tech, same luggage.The difference is wind protection.What was your solution for WInd protection on long distance Highway trech?
@@InterimExec I don't really notice on long trips. I find it very comfortable and nice and easy to ride and hardly the wind.
I am driving somewhere around 40k km a year. Rain, storm, sun, day, night. Last bike was r1200rt. Sold it with 190000 km on it. Now i have r1250rt. I have only one complain - the mirrors! They vibrating at around 100-120 km/h.
That’s some going! 25k km per year and 190k km in total…testament to how good the RT is. I never noticed any mirror vibration at all…
@@NorthernTracksBiking , it's not a common problem (vibrating mirrors). But I got lucky.
That 190k km is a good proof, but I have seen lots of motorcycles with around 250k, heard of a guy with 340k.
@@Hiawathado The "Ah Ah" about 190,000-340,000Km is that you can get a used bike with 60,000Km and get it at a third of the price of a new one. It'll do everything in as much comfort as the new one and last for another 10 years. You can't beat the value of a well built BMW. Maintain them and they last forever. Currently riding a 2001 R11150R, with 80,000Km, buying it for less than the interest cost on a new one. Of course the power is way less. But here in Canada our speed limits are 100-120Km. You ride 50 over,vehicle is seized, you get fined Thousands, and lose your license for 5 years not counting increased insurance cost. So the 1250 will take you to 150Km in 3rd gear, ooops what are theose flashes you get in the mirrror OH SHit. Old BMW Great value
@InterimExec Haha. You are right. I am planning to ride this one till 200k. So I have two, maybe three more years to go. This boxers are really great machines.
I would recommend trying the 1250GS or the 1250GSA before jumping ship. I have had 2 1250GSA's the first was standard chassis which i was not over confident on as i am 5'10" with a short leg. I then traded that in for the 1250 GSA lowered chssis, best decision i ever made.
Thanks Craig, I’d definitely need a lowered GSA…Riding the RT made me realise I actually like my bike more than I thought. The RT would definitely be a “head” purchase not a “heart” purchase. Plenty of other bikes to try first though!
Yes!
Another worth trying is the FJR1300? The RS would need the higher bars mod or something like Helibar risers but feels the quickest and best handling of all the boxer bikes. I replaced my gsa with an RS which really I prefer riding.
I never felt the need for bar risers on my 2015 RS. I did 600 mile days on it and found it comfortable
I would have thought a 19" diameter tire is less flickable than 17" just based on gyroscopic effect
Yes the 19” is probably less flickable- just not when it’s attached to the much wider bars and different geometry of the GS compared to the RT. I’m not a professional journalist so will make mistakes or not fully explain what I’m feeling/thinking occasionally.
A better comparison would be the GSA. My biggest complaint is the weight when stopped. You really need to be careful when pulling off from a stop. That is when it feels top heavy.
In terms of weight it’s probably a better comparison but I’ve not ridden a GSA, they’re too tall for me. Plus I’m testing bikes as a replace for my GS so wouldn’t be much point comparing RT to something I don’t own, have never ridden and isn’t on my shortlist. Might be different if I was 6’ 2”!
Adaptive cruise control - I’m surprised those systems are set to work on distance between vehicles and not time between vehicles. If it were time between vehicles, a lesser or greater distance would be automatically calculated depending on the speed.
It would seem to make more sense to base it on the old 2 second gap rule with an increased gap for wet weather maybe. I’m sure all these companies using radar cruise have thought of this and discounted it for some valid reason…
It is based on a two second rule already, however how could it possibly work out a reference point for a time distance ?
@@binness Any speed can be expressed as feet/metres per second. To calculate a safe following distance, just multiply that number by two or perhaps by three if there are wet conditions. I’m sure the on-board computer can figure that out pretty quickly. No reference point required.
I tried the rt when my gs was getting serviced.
Loved the rt.
if wasn’t for the option to do the odd lane the rt was way better for me
I can understand why you loved the RT!
I went from a 1200rt to a 1250rt and the performance difference was noticeable. I'd expect the same if you went for a 1250gs. I fully expect the new 1300 engine to find its way onto the RT soon.
There is nowhere to mount a camera on the bike on the RT, other than an adapter that replaces the badge on the handlebars.
The RT absolutely can filter, but it is almost one metre wide, so there are definitely situations I wouldn't follow a slimmer bike through.
Leave road mode for the motorway, switch to dynamic for the country roads.
The satnav system really requires a modern phone. If you do what I did and buy a cheap recon Nokia from Amazon, expect frequent disconnections.
Having said all that, I love my RT, I love the big bike feel and I love that it shouldn't be able to handle the way it does. I love that I can leave my helmet locked in a pannier when I get off it. The powered windshield. The heated seat. The illuminated, carpet-lined top box,.....
Thank you, all useful things to know!
Ever ridden an R1250 R? I'm curious about handling differences. Did you keep the GS?
No, not yet. I’ve got a friend who’s just bought one and seems to be enjoying it. The GS has gone, video coming soon when I get a chance to get some editing done!
Tiger 1200 is great for a shorty, you sit in it more than in it. I’m 5’ 6 and found it perfect
I’ll have to get a test ride
Is that on a standard seat?
@@NorthernTracksBiking yes, on the low setting
Overall, a very helpful review. But…the 17” front wheel gives it LESS flickability than the 19” on the GS? That makes very little sense to me. A 17” is a sport bike tire size and produces much quicker steering. The 19” larger diameter creates more stability but slower steering.
What you’re feeling is not down to the wheel size, but rather the narrower, angled bars and greater weight of the RT.
Thanks Jim, I don’t profess to be a profess to be an expert bike journalist. I always feel bikes with 19” wheels are less planted than 17”, but I’m sure you’re right that it’s more the bikes’ bar width and geometry making the difference not the wheel size…
I’ve got a 2018 r1200gs which has been great, never let me down. Have you thought about the brand new r1300gs? It’s going to be revealed later this month and is rumoured to be lighter and have automatic lowering suspension, similar to the HD Pan American I guess. This could be a revelation for anyone effected by the relatively high seat and loving the quality and service from BMW
I hadn’t actually considered it…will have a look when my local dealer has a demo available
I do the same thing couple weeks ago and RT didn't impress me over my GS. Same engine, same width, RT have stronger brakes and better wind protection and better seat... and that's it. GS have better seating position, it's better on bad roads and bumps, better luggage options and can be used on and off road.
I didn't like how my helmet can't fit in top box and due to shorter suspension travel your spine feel every bump.on road that GS don't notice at all
But i can say that RT looks much better and i like it but didn't found any major difference over GS that will make me swap from GS to RT. I'am better on GS
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said there and struggle to validate spending the extra money on the RT. I did find the suspension of the 1250RT better than my 2018 1200 GS though…
I have to drive 400 miles one way to get a chance to sit on one, let alone test ride. I did not fit well on an R18, but I know that is like comparing apples to oranges.
That is a hell of a trip to look at a bike!!
Personaly having had the issues and the way B.M.W. dealt with me I would not be given a B.M.W. over priced both parts and the bikes themselves Chester branch apparently agreed with B.M.W. my case was not justified ie yet again fuel pump issues having had many many re calls apparently now its not their doing ???????????? Well done B.M.W. !!!and thanks for all the help "not" !!!!!!!!!!!!
Shame you’ve had a bad experience. Both BMWs I’ve owned have been great bikes with no problems…
At a gues I would say they were new bikes or newish ?? Sadly we cant all afford these silly prices they ask/demand when new. Try owning one thats lets say 8/9/10 years old !! I would ride my Honda to where ever you asked I am happy leaving the Bema in the shed its safe there without a lock because only a fool would steal it sorry sorry no it is great for parts. Sorry if I sound bitter and twisted but I only say it as I see it or how I was dealt with I am happy for you good luck and safe riding as always ! @@NorthernTracksBiking
I love m’y 2014 RT. Ride a few Hondas (st1100/1300) and the RT makes them feel stiff.
I owned an ST1300 for a while and enjoyed the ride but it was too long ago for me to remember how it compares to the RT.
What about the k1600? I am currently looking at RT and K1600i need to test both
K1600 could be great but it won’t fit in my garage- the RT just about squeezes in…
I traded my 14 GS, for a new 18 RT. I felt like I would Die on the GS, it made me ride like a maniac ? The rt not so much. The GS had better suspension, and being a taller 6 foot rider I love the ride position of the gs more. The 14 had a lighter crankshaft too, it ran much better. 2.91 gear GS vs 2.75 rt.
Interesting, I never felt like the GS made me ride like a hooligan. I suppose the RT is a bit more sedate- it’s a bike to enjoy rafting around on. It can get a boogie on though when you want to!
Surprised to hear the RT rode smoother than the GS. I have heard several reviews which said the opposite, which makes sense given how much more suspension travel the GS has. Perhaps it comes down to the 1250 just having an improved suspension compared to the 1200.
I suppose these observations are always going to be subjective, it definitely felt plusher to me. Like you I can only assume the suspension has been improved in the years since my model was developed.
For me the weight is a bitch below about 12 mph after that it could be an 800,I love all the protection,I went for a bigger screen,love the fact no need to live in the gearbox like you on a 125,mine is only used for what it was made to do and that is touring and it is only two up,if I was going solo not sure what I would go for.I hate what people call clean air to me that is just windy
Like most big bikes once you’re rolling the weight isn’t an issue. My only problem with the weight is that I have to get the bike in my garage sideways on a centre stand dolly- its a really tight fit and very awkward. Another 25kg or so on top of the GS’s weight just makes it that little bit more difficult…
@@NorthernTracksBiking I agree on the moving about as every kg is hell to deal with.
I currently have a 24plate rt. Whilst mine is serviced my bike is a 22 gsa i found the rt is horrible in corners it fall into corner so much so i have to hold the bike on the counter steer realised tyres were quite liw front 33osi rear 38psi i have topped air up and i will take it for a ride later to see if that helps. One thing i notice it feels like i am sat ontop of it as appose ti sitting in my gsa i am defo sure i made the right choice pure and simple gs/gsa is a far better bike i am 6ft and my gsa offers simular wind management not a fan of silly leccy screen i find myself messing with it too much gsa is the king full stop
There’s much to be said about bikes having too much gear and faffing about on the move. I do way too much messing about on TFT screens checking mpg etc etc. In a way I miss the old days when a bike was well equipped if it had a fuel gauge!
@@NorthernTracksBiking some of the tech is good imo some over the top i have a daytona 955 which i have owned a year and whilst its fun its hard to ride by comparison i had it speed tripled so comfy but the bmw almost rides itself
Yes, definitely.
You could be right!
Looks a corker of a bike! Cheers for the video, I ride a BMW R1200R, which I love, but I really like the RT. Not sure if I could manage the weight at 66 years old 😂
Cracking bike, lot of £ though! Its a lump to push about but doesn't feel it at a standstill. As oer usual all the weight disappears when you get moving.
RT, RS, GS in that order 🙂
R 1250 R is great as well
I have had 2 hexhead r1200rt a few years ago i liked them my current bike i a 72 plate gsa rallye i have tried the rt a few montha ago and to be honest i didnt like it at all it felt too low and too cramped
In isolation I think the RT is just as comfortable as the GS. I’d need a longer ride to definitively test the RT though, I’ve done 10-12 hr days on the GS and been fine.
@@NorthernTracksBiking trust me dude the gsa 1250 beats the rt hands down the rt feels too cossiting therefore it removes the rider from the feeling of freedom no doubt the rt is a great highway bike and handles well its imo the very best fully dressed tourer where the gsa has it beaten is more legroom more involvement less cossiting yet still very cossiting. More versitile also the 21 on gsa has steeper head angle than gs so is super flickable the 1250 gsa pops on gear change up and down gsa also has all day comfort also from 21 gsa has heated seat option until late 22 when it was dropped 21 on gsa has 6 axis imu also adaptive led h light 7 ride modes 3 suspension modes plus low min max and auto it returns over 60mpg
As an English speaker USA I can understand about half of what you are saying
Ok, what exactly are you struggling with? Is it the speed I talk at? Accent? Yours is the first comment I’ve had regarding not catching what I’m saying other than non-English speakers…Give me a clue and I might be able to change something…
La RT est la reine de la route !
Je suis d'accord...not sure if my French is correct
@@NorthernTracksBiking
... and the rider is the king !
Have a 1200 gsa find road noise is bad 😎🏍💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦🍻
Mine was on Bridgestone A41s when I bought it. They last for ages but are very noisy on the GS. Swapped to Michelin Road 6s about 18 months ago- great tyre and so much quieter than the Bridgestone. Might not last as long but seem to have more grip.
Just one walk-around would have been nice on both bikes. I have no idea watching this mate
Fair comment, I didn’t bother with a walk around as both bikes have been around for some time now and there’s so many videos on RUclips with a walk around that I assumed everyone would have been familiar with both bikes by now. Will do one next time!
Aha shipley is your local dealership👌
It is, well spotted! Just been to Craig’s Honda round the corner this morning to test ride the NT1100- vid coming soon.
Yes, you should have.
"Big heavy beast". Really? Ride a Gold Wing or an Electra Glide fer Heavens sake!
All depends on what you're comparing it to. I cut my teeth riding 600cc supersport bikes so anything more than about 200kg is a heavy bike....my 1200GS is about 250kg and the RT is about 280kg and in my opinion they're both big and heavy. I don't really have much interest in owning either a Goldwing or any Harley. I can't see much benefit from buying a bike weighing over 400kgs and costing over £30k when there are much cheaper lighter alternatives, however, if you know of anyone who doesn't mind lending me one of either I'm more than happy to dick about on it for a day and give my opinions!