We ate mostly carnivore for centuries, only this past century have we stacked up these Carb-morbidities and Seed Oil Soaked sicknesses. We have Fasted since birth, yet we recently promote it's NO FOOD healing powers. S.O.S. Seed Oils Sugar beware. WTF?....Work The Fast🌞✔🥩🥚
I was eating what most people would consider a healthy diet, but it was high in oxalates. Going on a very low oxalate diet has cured my lifelong joint and foot pain. If I eat spinach today that pain will be right back tomorrow.
I have been carni with green veg/salad for two years ! Now 1 week into totally no veg . Waiting to see if there are benefits ( foot pain in particular ) !! Not overly impressed with Mr Cywes ( bit childish and too clever,clever for my taste ) Hoping you are more right than he !!! 😊
Yeah, he contradicts himself in this video. He saying it’s not a “thing” and yet, he mentions that oxalates binds to calcium and other nutrients to help it pass through…. Well, that means oxalates are anti-nutrients!! Yes, for the most part, oxalates do bind to nutrients like calcium.. but what he’s missing is, by calcium’s nd other nutrients binding to oxalates, you are also stripped of these nutrients, thereby, making you low on them… contradicting wouldn’t you say?
@@wendycarter5718 How is it going with that, is the foot pain any better. You may want to supplement with vit D, a deficiency in that also can cause foot pain.
yup plantar fascititis and gout and knee and toe etc etc got me researching why this was happening and then I found out ....and then I cut back on oxalates and no longer need KNEE SURGERY ...the doctor said I needed total knee replacement.....NOPE I needed to get off oxalates
After three years of keto I developed a 6 mm kidney stone and then gallstones, analyzed to be from oxalates. I was eating tons and tons of almonds and spinach and other high oxalate foods on keto. My urologist told me that with the advent of almond milk they started seeing more and more kidney stones. BTW, kidney stone pain is on a level that I didn’t even know could exist.
After ten years on keto I got a 9 mm stone snd had surgery , now that kidney is atrophy. I found out later that calcium in milk binds to oxolate in the gut and passing it through your kidneys and is eliminated. If you drink a glass of Milk when you eat foods with oxolate it is a sure way to keep them Out of your kidneys
@@bethisrael-bet-this-is-rea5270 But milk hurts the absorption of iron in the gut. Proteins in milk also when metabolized leave waste that has to go trough the liver, and calcium is being used to deal with this waste. So calcium from the milk is practically used to help clean the waste in this case. The thing is, people are different, some people have issues with eggs, some with milk or lactose, some with gluten, some with god knows what...
It's a crime that probably 99% of people are not aware of oxalate poisoning especially 'thanks' to spinach and almonds while 80% of kidney stones are oxalate-stones these days (according to Sally Norton). There should be warning signs on the package.
I think you’re wrong, I’ve always had a good diet, but I have chronic back pain from a car accident. I stopped eating foods with oxalates and went carnivore for two months and the pain decreased by 90%
He's not wrong. In fact you've proved him right. On the carnivore diet you have no choice but get fat adapted. Which he says solves the oxalates issue.
I've eaten a plant based diet free of ANY junk foods, processed foods, carbs, other than those in some veg - for 40 years! I had no health problems but developed arthritis in 2 fingers only since the last 6 months. I am now on carnivore diet for 4 weeks and fingers are 80% better. So tell me again why its not oxalates?
What the Doctor says is a point well taken but from what I've understood from experts on the subject of Oxalates, such as Sally Norton, is that the problem with oxalates is that the average person eats a large amount of oxalates every day, more than what the body can handle before it becomes toxic, which is about 50 milligrams per day. Most people eat in the hundreds of milligrams per day, and oxalates become toxic at those numbers, and over the years, they can create many health problems.
I totally get that lots of people freak out over oxalates and for me I wanted to find out if oxalates was the cause of my eczema that I've been suffering from since a teen. So I tried the carnivore diet... eliminating anything that can cause a problem in digestion. Within 7 days I pass several kidney stones and parasites... it was amazing and the most painful experience I've ever had. But if I hadn't try the elimination process I have no idea how big those kidney stones would have gotten. I am continuing my carnivore diet to see what else happens and so far my skin has cleared up and started to heal. For me I would say if you have a condition or illness start eliminating and see what happens and adjust accordingly....
Not coffee. Most of the foods heavy with oxalate were not traditionally eaten or were processed somehow ( soaking, fermenting, sprouting). This information, oxalate poisoning, is saving my life!! It takes time for the oxalate to accumulate to dangerous levels. We have forgotten about the toxicity in plants, our ancestors knew and took great pains to process the toxins out of plants. It took decades for my oxalate level to begin harming me. I had a very high level of oxalate in my diet.
Me too. My experience: . CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
correctly said. This is why raw foods are even dangerous if you eat them on a high level. skip all the food nonsense and influenced religious fanatics and use traditional cooking and kitchen methods (spinach with cream and rhubarb with vanilla sauce etc.)and you will be just fine.
After 3 years on a strict KETO lifestyle with ample green leafy vegetables, I passed a kidney stone in early 2021 that caused the most painful experience in my life. After that experience, I significantly reduced my consumption of high oxalate foods. I have not had any additional kidney stone issues. That is my n=1 experience.
Wow, wonder then why my knees and other joints got MUCH better, after getting the High Ox foods out I'd my diet!! I was eating a VERY healthy diet, NO crap and my joints were falling apart! So I beg to differ with you, oxalates were wreaking havoc on my body and now I no longer need knee replacements!I think there is indeed something to this oxalate issue!! Finding out about oxalate foods has had a huge effect on my health! All for the better!!
I had to laugh. Yes, Level Expert. I always glance up at my wifi connection to see if I'm connected - then he starts up again. I giggle every time. I love it! :)
I was drinking raw spinach and almond milk smoothies daily for several years, I had no idea that was too much oxalates to be considered safe. Now that I have eliminated plants from my diet, I'm having symptoms of oxalate dumping, and it's not fun. I'm just hoping that this is temporary and will end soon.
@ricksmith3876 no it's not, that's what worked for her, it's here experience with certain food that caused here health issues, that doesn't mean everybody will have those health issues from consuming those food.
@@sabermouad9750 I hear that all the time as if that is why we should not do something? Meanwhile, thousand of people who have done the leap, and have gone Lion diet. Thrive way more that a vegan.
@@sabermouad9750 some people lack the enzyme to break down the oxalates in the GI tract.....I am one of those people...I can't have even a little sweet potato or tea etc I will wake up next day with a swollen joint and unable to move
I had oxalate crystals coming out my nose and rims of my eyes. Oxalates have made my life miserable. I agree that this is not everyone’s problems but they sure got me. I had a diet super high in oxalate foods while eating tons of veggies, no junk, no processed food and a reasonable amount of animal foods. Getting them out of my diet has been game changes. It was overload for me not a doubt in my mind. But I also have a background of lots of antibiotics and drugs as a kid and I know my body has been very damaged. But I will never add oxalate back into my diet. I realize this is a complex issue but I won’t ever be going back that way.
@ I don’t eat veggies. I can’t do anything cultured. But I am a million percent better since going high fat carnivore (but low histamine). Wish I knew all this stuff years ago instead of falling for the veggie narrative.😟
So does that mean since I don't die immediately after smoking a cigarette, that it's not bad for me? I can have as many as I want right? The body will only absorb what it needs and waste the rest right?
I used to suffer terrible chronic gout… And even the first year of doing the keto diet I would get flares… However I can say with confidence that the good doctor is correct. Almost three years into being fat adapted and I can say with confidence I cured my gout. If you suffered from gout like I did chronically… Then you know that statement is life changing statement.
Great to hear. However, the 'good doctor' claims oxalates are necessary. But concedes they're an antinutrient. No proof. But it's great to hear that you didn't need to do more than being fat adapted to cure gout.
Dark Cherries or any cherries🍒are good for GOUT 🙏also when theres a flare up in your feet... at night wrap your feet in SAVOY cabbage leaves put socks on over the top and sleep like that till the morning. It draws out the UREA crystals from the feet. They use this protocol in SWISS🇨🇭 CLINICS
If you smoke 1 cigarette, it doesn’t kill you, but we all know cigarettes are carcinogenic. He demonstrates he doesn’t immediately die after drinking coffee (which is actually low oxalate) to prove a point. He does prove a point, but not the one he was intending.
After 1 year of experimenting on and off of carnivore I have found oxalates to definitely be not beneficial at higher quantities. I am very open to the fact that oxalates do not completely need to be removed from the diet. Good or bad I simply enjoy my coffee and some black pepper on my Food which are actually rather low in oxalate.
Yes I took advise like this from someone else and six months later ended up with oxalate poisoning. The vast majority of people do not have the oxalate-degrading bacteria in there gut and if you have been given antibiotics then you certainly don't have it. Telling people to be completely ignorant of the issue doesn't help anyone.
@@66gtb he is definitely being dismissive. MANY people will have zero problems with oxalates, but a FAIR AMOUNT of people WILL! Also, plenty of people will feel better including healthy carbohydrates in their diet. Ultimately, everyone is different, and has to take different approaches, based on their individual issues, goals, pre-existing conditions... etc. etc.
I am oxalate dumping right now. I was on a screwed up diet called pure high oxalate superfoods for decades. Im not dying but it does hurt. Better to learn from Sally Norton or Elliot Overton on this topic. Oxalates can throw off your mineral balance, form painful crystals throughout the body (more often in women than men due to estrogen receptors in the kidneys)… this more often creating oxalate kidney stones in men who overload on them. I appreciate absorbing new perspective from this guy… Don’t appreciate him discounting the experience of those experiencing the painful oxalate dumping process as I am. If elimination pathways can not keep up, cations are insufficient etc… and there is dysfunction… then reducing the intake of oxalate is needed. Also warning people about super high oxalate foods can help prevent the overload in some people… ie spinach and rhubarb and beet greens and chard and almonds etc over years are not helping. A carnivore keto diet with a little oxalate is fine. A little oxalate generated endogenously is normal. Living on a high oxalate plant based diet is not normal to our genetics and the dose makes the poison.
@@HammyGirl999 I stopped eating raw veggies about a month ago, now I think I'm "oxalate dumping." I wasn't drinking green smoothies, but I ate lots of almonds, almond flour and veggies high in oxalate. I recently watched a Stoium video that explained why after cutting back on oxalate high foods, I suddenly have a rash on my arms and back. I just wanted to reply to your comment because I'm not sure what other symptoms I should watch for with an oxalate dump. My family has been eating a ketovore diet for about five years now, so I know it's not a carb overload.
If oxalates are not a problem when we consume them as your description says, why are there documented cases of humans having died from over-consumption of oxalate? E.g., in rhubarb or sorrel? Why do people report relief from other health problems when they stop consuming high oxalate foods?
Also, if consumption of oxalate isn't a problem and is as helpful as you suggest in the video, would you be willing to consume large amounts (say around 1 gram) of it on a daily basis to prove your point? If not, why not?
@@robertcywes2966 Ok, so you think it was bad science? Do you have any further info on that? Why not consume a good dose of daily oxalate if it's beneficial? Say 500mg or more.
I’m sorry, yes, you are a doctor, and like every doctor before you, you discount the pain, cramps, bloating, inflammation, and constipation, among other problems... that “correlates” to me having eaten a high oxalate food. All doctors, at least the ones I have gone to for help, just push pharmaceuticals. There is no medicine that has ever helped me. I would go almost a month sometimes before I would have a bowel movement. Doctors all said eat fiber, which caused my pain and inflammation to go through the roof. I may not be a doctor, but I know my own body and I know the experiences that I have had since limiting my oxalates to near zero. I’m not excessively overweight, nor am i trying to lose a lot of weight, but I lost 7 pounds the very first week. My stomach before this new lifestyle was grossly bloated and felt like a spare tire around my upper stomach. I’m 5’ 8”, was 132 lbs. I’m going to live life my way, on my terms. I find it interesting that you would put yourself on RUclips to say we know nothing and you know everything.
Tip of the day: Eat a handful of walnuts with a slab of cheddar cheese. The calcium in the cheese will bind with the oxalates in the walnuts and exit the system. 😄
Finally someone who understands dealing with oxalates. I agree. Calcium binds to the oxalates an makes the oxalate crystals soften so they leave the body without being painfully sharp.
Just because some of something is good doesn't mean that a whole pile of the same thing is even better or just as good. Anything can be a poison in sufficient doses. The better question is: how much oxalate intake is ok, and how much is too much? What happens when there is too much in an otherwise healthy body?
A recent study showed dietary oxalate contributed to 50% of urinary oxalate. So you are incorrect, endogenous oxalate *may* be more significant in some diseases, but a significant portion stems from the diet. This increases on a HIGH oxalate diet. You should reconsider your position
@@Edwardthe208 I previously had a similar stance to the doc who posted this video, until I destroyed my health with oxalate. That opened a whole can of worms which I really wish I didn't have to experience, but I learned some useful lessons in the process... so I guess it was worth it
I recently took the massive amount of unknown oxylates out of my diet and I can hold my urine again, I don’t wake 2-3 times a night to pee Massage amounts of urine, the arthritis I was just diagnosed with a 42 is significantly improving. I’m staying FAR away from them.
Thank you for all you do to re-educate us about human nutrition. I always remember from my critical thinking class in college that “correlation is not causation.”
This makes SO much more sense to me, and i have experienced the awful effects! I have had crippling anxiety my entire life. I've had digestive issues and interstitial cystitis most of my life as well. I also developed rheumatoid arthritis and severe lymphatic swelling 5 years ago. I started eating low carb most of the time about 10 years ago with good results with my digestion, but continued to have severe anxiety and panic. So last summer I went full carnivore for 4 months, which meant I eliminated oxalate as well. For the first time, I was panic free. I also saw the largest reduction in the RA that I have so far. Then I started a more Ray Peat approach, keeping oxalate rich foods out but incorporating natural sugar and fruit. My RA is now worse than ever. I am still anxiety free, but I think my leaky gut just couldn't handle all the spinach\chocolate and other oxalate rich foods I used to eat. I am going back to keto and can't wait to be pain free again! Thanks for sharing!!
No. It's a universal. CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
For meat, try ruminant animals only, as their stomachs detox and ferment the food, with non-ruminant animals like pigs and chickens, you eat what they eat, which is a lot of omega6.
Thank you thank you thank you! Amazing words. Spot on! I am trying my hardest to understand all this information and apply to the best of my ability to improve my health. So much info out there. If you're an amateur like me well then a person can get confused and mislead. But all your lectures are inspiring, brutally honest and eye opening. I had also gotten afraid of the oxalate issue.. and surely I don't know what I'm doing. But I persisted in trying to learn more things and make better decisions. Your lectures have helped me immensely. I've turned carnivore now for 7 weeks. It's going very, very well. My energy, focus, mood are all elevated. I'm a 63 yr old female. Two meals a day, I don't need more and I'm never hungry only around meal time. I've lost a lot of weight now, and it continues to drop.. carb/sugar addiction really packed some pounds on me. I'm so grateful that they fall off effortlessly and I don't have to starve myself to death with minimizing diets. Anyway, I'm a big fan of yours. Don't ever change! 👌💞 Keep those videos coming!
Yes, Don’t be afraid of oxalates, if you are eating other things of a healthy diet. It’s only people (like me) who are extremely health compromised and go on a strictly high oxalate only diet like I did. In the future I will be able to have these super healthy foods. Enjoy you healthy diet journey.
I believe those that have experienced issues with high oxalate intake but completely believe the good Dr. that for many it is not a problem. It feels so good to find out what foods cause issues and adjust. I had IBS for decades before realizing I have allergies to wheat/corn/soy/cow dairy and stopping them within a couple months I had no more IBS and associated back pain. How can we better determine who has issues with specific foods? The tests available seem very unreliable. Thx
Watch 5:54 about the interplay of cations in the gut. Yes, oxalates are a problem but not the reason that they are popularized for. Its very similar to the whole saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease argument. Those oxalate kidney stones are part of a waste product. Its a dysfunction.
@@AxelSituation yes, I had cushings sydnrome, and my endo siad that the stones i got was because of that. but i was also eating 200g of raw spinach day for 5 month. EVERY day.
@@timothy790110 Same with me!! Take a look at Chanca Piedra - it's an herb referred to as "stone breaker" - great results for oxalate-based kidney stones! RUclips mykylc - great testimony...
@@thakraken6995 so it’s ok for Rob to pick and choose what he wants to deemed harmful? Funny , that’s why I don’t listen to any doctor and anyone that sells anything, just go by what makes me feel good and calm
I was chronically ill for years. Trying to manage Graves’ disease with diet etc. I was loading up on spinach, plant based protein powder , almonds , dark chocolate, black tea, only using almond milk every morning and dandelion tea every night for “detox”. Eating ZERO dairy due to lactose intolerance. I spent 14 days on a low oxalate diet and although the first 4 days were horrendous with back pain and bloating, headache and fatigue, I felt far better than I had in years after the two weeks. But now I eat normally with the exception of the big offenders (think rhubarb, spinach, chocolate, black tea, almonds etc.) I am just more aware and be reasonable. I completely cut nut milks and plant based protein powders as well and I am feeling good for the first time in years. Who knows if it was oxalate…. I don’t really care. I just know that being aware and making some adjustments was life changing for me. 🫶
I’ve been bouncing in and out of carnivore for about five years even some keto in there but I’ve learned every time I go back to the American diet. It does not take long for me to gain weight for my depression, anxiety to come back binge eating then I make up my mind to go back to carnivore and my anxiety depression slowly goes away I have more energy vitality. I am also doing intermittent fasting, which plays a part with carnivore, and I’m convinced that fasting and carnivore and keeping carbs to a bare minimum or even nothing at all the way to go everybody out there is different you tune your body to what works for you good luck.🤨😂😎
In some individuals I am seeing a reduction in certain things like inflammation specifically through visible skin irritation also in pigment changes as strange as it may seem with a drastic reduction of oxalate.
If oxalates bind with calcium in the gut, why wouldn't we just try not to eat oxalate rich foods - such as almonds and spinach? I wonder what the RDA of calcium is if you're not eating anything that robs nutrients from your intake of food?
I am oxalate dumping right now. I was on a screwed up diet called pure high oxalate superfoods for decades. Im not dying but it does hurt. Better to learn from Sally Norton or Elliot Overton on this topic. Oxalates can throw off your mineral balance, form painful crystals throughout the body (more often in women than men due to estrogen receptors in the kidneys)… this more often creating oxalate kidney stones in men who overload on them. I appreciate absorbing new perspective from this guy… Don’t appreciate him discounting the experience of those experiencing the painful oxalate dumping process as I am. If elimination pathways can not keep up, cations are insufficient etc… and there is dysfunction… then reducing the intake of oxalate is needed. Also warning people about super high oxalate foods can help prevent the overload in some people… ie spinach and rhubarb and beet greens and chard and almonds etc over years are not helping. A carnivore keto diet with a little oxalate is fine. A little oxalate generated endogenously is normal. Living on a high oxalate plant based diet is not normal to our genetics and the dose makes the poison.
I think that it makes more sense to stay away from Sally Norton and Elliot Overton (since they are panickers who raise panic about oxalates). But, I also advise not to underestimate oxalates. Neither scaremongering (which Sally Norton and Elliot Overton do) or underestimating is good. Healthy person (with an impeccable health) eats 200-300 mg of oxalates on a daily basis without any problems. This is standard amount of dietary oxalates and it is acceptable, providing that you are healthy. It is, still, wise to avoid eating (or jucing) pounds of spinach every day (especially if you are prone to CaOx kidney stones), since this is the moment where oxalates can cause serious health problems. Omnivore diet is the best and the key is a moderation. Omnivore diet > keto diet > karnivore diet. Omnivore diet is the balanced diet. Keto diet permits large amounts of spinach (just one handful of it contains 755mg of oxalates) and other high oxalate foods, while carnivore diet excludes every plant based food (it even excludes a low oxalate plants, like an arugula or cabbage). Keto diet, due to all reasons above, raises risk of getting Calcium Oxalate stones, while carnivore diet can bring other set of problems (like raising LDL or causing colon cancer in the worst case scenario (which can be lethal if it is left untreated)).
Thank you for clarifying! I have been explaining to my clients that balance is needed. The proper food combining is crucial for a balanced diet. Your explanation will assist me in my classes.
I am not a Dr. nor am I a scientist but I know one thing for sure. I was 430 pounds in 2010 and decided to go low carb. I lost 200 pounds and felt great and consumed almost no veggies. In October of 2016, I wanted to lose a few more pounds and decided I would bring in more veggies, nuts, and 90% dark chocolate. I had never eaten spinach but thought I would try it and see if I liked it. I did, and so I started with cooked spinach and then went on to raw spinach. The longer I went the more spinach I ate every single day. I also ate almonds, 90% dark chocolate every single day. In September of 2018, I was blessed with kidney stones that ended up with me having surgery and my first experience with a catheter. So in 41 years of living, I had not been eating a high oxalate diet from veggies and nuts and had never had a kidney stone. In two years of bringing in "the big salads," I am down and out with kidney stones. The urologist looked at my diet (I keep detailed spreadsheets of everything I eat) and he said this is 100% due to diet. He told me to cut out all the high oxalate foods and stay under 50 oxalates a day. So can I say for sure that it is the fault of oxalates? Again, not being a Dr. nor a Scientist I can only go off of what I read and what happened to me. After dealing with kidney stones I will let the big-armed sailor deal with kidney stones, not me.
I totally agree with you, they absolutely cause issues! Follow my channel for an upcoming video on oxalates and let me know if you want access to my low oxalate meal plan.
My good friend had the first kidney stone in his life, a rather large one. I did some research and told him to avoid spinach. He then told he had been eating a lot of spinach for the health benefits. 😢
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I was listening to Sally K Norton bashing oxalates and high oxalate super foods, and I asked her, "what then will people eat?". It is like one who has diabetes, high cholesterol, and high blood sugar. A doctor says "avoid carbs because they raise sugar". Another says. "avoid red meat and eggs because they have cholesterol and saturated fat". Yet another says "avoid nuts and vegetables because they have oxalates". The three doctors have knocked you out of all food groups. It makes no sense.
Omg you crack me up! Love how you present your info and I love that you say BS lol 😆 I was introduced to you via Judy Cho interview and just started watching your channel. I do believe oxalates & other plant antinutrients are key for me to avoid. I seem to react to everything plant. Yes I overdid the fresh veg juices & green smoothies after my health wrecked by indoor molds & then multiple tick diseases. First it seemed to help then I just kept getting worse. Strict elimination diet showed me all the many symptoms I was getting from 99% of plants (not coconut or coffee thankfully). I’ve been continuing to eliminate plants and feeling better & better. Now I mostly only take a few coconut products. When I eat other plant foods whether processed, raw, or whole/cooked, I am wrecked for days. I do believe oxalate dumping is a thing for me too. Maybe they affect me more than other people since my health has been so damaged & crazy last 10 years. I feel best when I stick to good quality fatty meats, butter, and my raw eggs. Cheers.
Thank you Dr. I can appreciate your chemical point of view. I dont know if you have kidney stones, but you might think otherwise. All right i can accept that oxalates a normal biological function but as you say our diets are screwed up. Mine from alcoholism and tobbaco ism and old age. But when your cringing and shaking from miserable kidney stones and doubled up because you cant think or move oxalates a very easy thing to blame. I had some lead acetate gun wipes in my pocket so that may have been causeing the lead shakes. Thanks for trying to explain Dr. The value of oxalates to balance cathy cathode and anni anode. Bless you for trying to explain. Have a nice day.
I agree that not every symptom is an oxalate problem and not every person needs a low or no oxalate diet but for us long term vegans that were totally overdoing it, it can be an issue. It certainly has been for me. I was doing quite well on the keto/carnivore diet until about month 3 and then I had a terrible oxalate dump. It felt like little shards of fiberglass coming out through my skin around the gallbladder/liver. I would put money on a guess that I passed a gall stone one night. Anyway, just saying, for those of us who have really overdone it in the past (my guess I had at least 1000 and possibly 2000mg of oxalates a day on a "healthy plant based diet"), oxalates can certainly be a problem. I am now on a low oxalate diet.
Hello dr my son at 59 had a tooth ache turned to abcees,, bacteria went to gut cut Then a problem acured do after a little time they gad to remove scare tissue that was about a quarter kilo His struggling an won't go to the Dr again so his fasting . Etc but the stomach pain is there an his taking pain medication pls him at my wits end how can I help him he refuses to listen to anyone He suffers with ago phobia Nan now to me it seems depression I stay an hours flight away from him plus a 4 hour drive I need prayers
100 percent correct. Thank you I eat tons of salads everyday and have 0 health issues from oxalate. I'm 64 run marathons. Slim. No kidney stones. People are hysterical about fictitious claims about eating vegetables. Total hysteria. You can't argue with them that they are wrong
@@virginiaconway374 she probably has a good amount of the enzyme in her GI tract to break down the oxalates.....taking a lot of antibiotics like I did wiped out that enzyme ....so if she didn't take. a lot of antibiotics and has a great GI system then she is probably able to handle the oxalates.....most of us can't
Read the book toxic superfoods.you ll change your mind. Oxalates hit you where your body is weak.me too,i have never had stones,so i m considered to be oxalate free?...no.my joints are in a bad condition.it hit me where i had my congenital weakness.
See my comment above! By the way, oxalate poisoning only to a very very small part of the population that have extremely broken bodies. There is no kidney stones or kidney disease in oxalate poisoning. You also have to be extremely low in calcium a minerals that bind to oxalates that take it out of the body. So you of course will feel great eating these oxalate foods. They are so good for you and should eat them. So for you …..keep up the healthy eating. Unfortunately a few of us do have a problem with them now and that is making everyone panic. It’s ridiculous to hear “everyone watch out oxalates are bad” no the aren’t. I hope to tolerate them after awhile and join you eating those fresh veggies and such again.
Great feedback on oxalates. Help balance out all the other information that I was listening to of the negative factors of them they can have or create problems but only if there’s a problem already thank you again. You brought me great peace.
My good sir, I can tell you first hand that my diet contained so many high oxalate foods stacked at each meal, everyday for years and I was feeling sicker and sicker. Now it took until I was in my 50s but when I discovered oxalates and reduced them my whole body aches and “weird” symptoms went away. Sorry, I don’t have time to listen to the rest of your video. I know what is true for me and my husband. Oxalates are a REAL thing but hey I guess you cannot write many Rx’s if people feel better. ✌️
Dr. Cywes Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding of the function of oxalates in the body. I have a question that applies to many people who go on the carnivore diet that is hardly ever discussed. I am hoping you can give advice. I had my gallbladder removed years ago and am wondering if going on a carnivore diet will cause complications with stomach issue like digestion or elimination. No one has ever addressed this from my investigation of the internet. Please advise if I should take an enzyme with HCL or other suggestions. Thanks
All I know is that since I went straight carnivore from keto, my RA is far better. All the nasty little toxins in plants/carbs ARE bad for me. For me, it is "causality". Unless you want to attribute it to, I don't know, coincidence?! !
What was the source of the plants/vegetables that you were consuming? Was it mass produced super market supplied? My point is that healthy locally grown vegetables might not have caused the same problems you experienced. i.e. The poor quality, nutrient and mineral deficient and chemical tainted mass produced "food" may have been the problem, rather than specifically vegetables themselves.
You take away a balenced diet for meat and nothing but meat, yeah you cut out all the potetional causes. It's the literal version of the phrase "throw the baby out with the bathwater"
I've had 5 stones throughout 12 years and was told to stay away from High Oxalate foods such as spinach. Is that true? I currently have 1 stone that is 2mm in my kidney. How do I keep that from growing or hopefully I can pass it? Please advise. Thank you! Lisa Wintersdorff
My experience: . CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
Chanca Piedra. Oxalates are definitely a massive issue! Follow my page for an upcoming video about oxalates soon and let me know if you'd like access to my low oxalate meal plan
Ok... I feel like you're discounting a lot of the work done by Sally Norton and others as well as the experience of many people on the low oxalate diet. I first heard the term "oxalate dumping" when I was experimenting with carnivore. Are you actually saying that all of the work done on oxalates can be boiled down to "correlation doesn't mean causation" and that we should then believe your strong implication that "it's not the oxalates....?" How thoroughly have you researched the work done on this issue?
@@AxelSituation I did watch the video. He said not to assume causation based on correlation. He completely ignored all of the research and the experience of thousands of people and hasn't said why.
I agree with Jane. I’m not concerned with stones or gout as much as the other damage. My biggest issue is peripheral neuropathy but also may have other issues listed that are seriously affected by oxalates.
I'm sure as a doctor he's done more research on the topic than you as a random RUclipsr criticizing videos using pseudo claims. "he completely ignored all of the research and experience of thousands of people" okay link that documented research for one. Two, anecdotes do not equate to evidence
@@thakraken6995 yeah um... I didn't say I personally did any research... and I'm not "sure" that a doctor practicing medicine has done any actual research on this topic at all. He certainly didn't indicate as much.
I wish my PCP was like Dr. Cywes. On keto I was 12% bodyfat Elite level VO2max deadlift 2x bodyweight my perfect triglycerides and glucose levels and my doc said i was gonna die because my LDL was off the charts... Scared me to deaths
Tell your PCP to upgrade his lipidology knowledge. Why on earth are these clowns still practicing like it was 1970, just pushing people on to drugs WITHOUT assessing their REAL CVD risk instead of a simplistic assessment done on insufficient data If you have low triglycerides (from LCHF/Keto) the burden of transporting them can be handled by HDL, thus preserving your native LDL coming from the liver (i.e., LDL particles remain large, fluffy, undamaged so can return safely to the liver via the LDL receptor, pretty much as they are supposed to) If the TG level is high, on the other hand, (120) or above, HDL is typically insufficient to cope with transportation of TG so LDL gets recruited for some of the work, stripping them down in size slightly,, bringing them down into the size capable of entering the arterial wall. They then move around, get slightly damaged from the glucose, and other oxidising agents, rendering them foreign to the LDL receptor on the liver, thus leaving them in the blood for far longer, creating a lot of damage to the arterial wall (the liver won't allow them to bind to the LDL receptor after they get oxidised or glycated, so they remain in the blood) Your PCP would just do well to watch any video of Professor Ken Sikarus, head of Melbourne Pathology who explains it all very simply in nearly all his RUclips videos
You can't even touch on oxalates in 11 mins. Gut biota status and methylation are involved. His inquiry is lax. Please check out EO's channel on this subject. Doc, I'm hoping for a revision from someone of your caliber😊
Stop gaslighting! By removing oxalates my painful Rheumatoid Nodes from my hands and feet disappeared, the Keto diet alone didn't ease my pain until l gave up the oxalates.
Sorry Doc but I’m not convinced. I’m 14 months into a carnivore diet and have had 6 months of severe scalp issues that are now just finally settling - scaly, flaky (think snow storm) Itchy, pimply scalp. Now however, I’ve developed a rash over much of my body that has been gradually getting worse for about a week and a half - itchy, spotty skin. I’m blaming oxalate dumping because I was eating massive amounts of oxalate for many years in a very highly plant based diet, filled with nuts, seeds, and spinach smoothies with cacao… Ive also had many months last year of sandy, burning diarrhoea and I still get random joint issues when other things flare up. I’m fat adapted now and other health issues have resolved, but this is a thing and I don’t see any other explanation for what’s going on in my body.
You're not wrong, oxalates are a massive issue! They can get addictive too, I swear! Follow my page for an upcoming video about oxalates soon and let me know if you'd like access to my low oxalate meal plan
What about - they are exaggerating about them. Prime example is Sally K Norton, who spreads panic that oxalates are truly harmful. The real truth: they are harmful only if you eat ton of them (like 500mg or 1g). Healthy person will get, on average, 200-300mg of oxalates daily without any problems. Leaky gut, metabolic dysfunction, IBS, etc, can actually increase oxalate absorption.
I just recently discovered I have oxalate overload. I tried to return something to a dept store that I bought online . The salesperson daid they wouldn't take it back because it was covered in tiny white dots. She said she had never seen that. Can the doc here give an alternate explanation for the tiny bright white dots? I have taken lots of antibiotics, lots if over the counter pain meds and to be healthy I ate lots of high oxalate vegetables ,nuts ,seeds and fruit. Cutting down my oxalates in just the last several weeks has caused many detox reactions such as feeling that my skin was on 🔥 and itching more than ever
Funny you should mention that. I had similar. It may be extremely dry skin as plants cause that and more. Not only do plants have no b vitims but they block them. So we end up with dry skin, dry brittle hair and nails. If you are constantly flaking scalp, eyebrows, face, legs hand feet.....it's plants. My experience: . CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
@@cindyjohnson1025 The tiny bright white dots are oxalate crystals ,not dead skin. Skin cells are yellow and oily. According to my anthropology professor, humans are omnivores as is shown by our teeth. Meat has hormones and pesticides. I doubt her book says oxalates cause MS or Loe Gehrig's. In cultures where people live longest, people eat diets high in fruit vegetables ,fiber, and also eat animal products. Oxalates become a problem because of antibiotics, glyphosate, leaky gut over the counter pain meds and other factors.
I am north European - with the exception of seasonal berries and *maybe* some root vegetables here and there, my ancestors ate none of the foods on your list of oxalate containing foods. These days, it's very easy to consume very high levels of oxalate. If my ancestors biologically needed them, they made them endogenously. I think the truth to oxalate poisoning is somewhere in between - most people have poor guy health, overall poor health, eat unnaturally high levels of oxalate and don't fast.
Also, it was seasonal - which we don't have anymore - greens were only available in the summer time and we had the rest of the year to purge out any chemicals that can build up in the body - now, pretty much all veggies are always available, all year round - the innate purging process is gone... Sally Norton has a great piece about that...
Dr cywes basically said towards the end that there is an issue of dysfunction with oxylate dumping. 2nd time around on carnivore snd achey joints about three months in had me quit the first time. This time around Im thinking its oxylate dumping. This time i have excruciating joint pain the day after a one hour walk the day before. Its just mot normal. Could be many things. Im hoping its oxylate dumping, so at least I know theres a solution for it.
I got WRECKED by Oxalates, kidney stones, arthritis, lung infections due to low B12, D3 deficiency, heart palpitations etc etc .. Taking me a year to feel better since cutting them out, starts with Gut health
It is interesting that the vilification of oxalates parallels the presumptive demonization of other nutrients in the past. These conclusions are always based on one of two types of errors in judgement: 1. The authority figure looks at a substance's deleterious affects within a damaged body, and erroneously extrapolates from that and assumes that this substance must be damaging to all bodies, even healthy ones. An example of this is the fear of protein. Since high protein has an adverse affect on people with compromised renal function, it is therefore assumed, wrongly, that high protein is problematic for everyone. 2. Using animal studies to test the destructive affects of a substance and, again, inferring from those animal models that the same applies to humans, despite the fact that no clinical or even epidemiological data in humans substantiates this relationship. The shortcomings in animal models was made apparent years ago, when the supposed cancer causing affects of aspartame was debunked when it was illustrated that the study being used to buttress this claim was based on a rat study, where they gave the rats a dose of aspartame that was several hundred times higher, proportionally, to what a person could ever consume in real life The problem with so much of nutrition research is it is replete with those two types of studies. Then to compound matters, you have weak epidemiology to further add to the confusion. Then the mainstream media gets a hold of these studies and preaches it as gospel, without ever actually disclosing the type of study and its limitations. . Its no wonder so much of the public is bewildered.
@Haleman Yes, but this doctor and med sites on the internet say that oxalates are also formed in the body. here's one : www.healthline.com/nutrition/oxalate-good-or-bad How do you know it's exogenous oxalate and not endogenous oxalate that is the problem?
@Haleman Yes, but it was stated the problem was with people who already had bad metabolisms. That's true of a lot of things, such as protein in someone with bad kidneys. But does this happen with healthy people?
@Haleman Okay, but can you point to a study showing it's consumed (exoganous) oxalate and not body produces (endoganous) oxalate (or both together) that causes the problem?
I’ve been on a keto lifestyle for my third week now because of your insights. I have ankylosing spondylitis and digestive issues and my Dr is basically telling me my immune system is causing my symptoms. I think its only associative so I’ve decided to take a different approach. I am presently very low carb less than 20g and less than 3g of sugar with high healthy fats. Let me know your thoughts or if I’m on the right track. My prior diet was gluten, milk and egg free and very low fat. It wasn’t working out.
Oxalates in leafy greens don’t bother me. Lectins in legumes don’t bother me. Neu5GC in red meat doesn’t bother me. A1 Casein in milk doesn’t bother me. Phytic acid in grains don’t bother me. We need to stop being so afraid of NATURAL foods. Stay away from highly processed foods.
im in ketosis , began strict carnivore diet 3 weeks ago... within days, skin breakouts, joint stiffness, itchy rash on chest ....and foot ankle swelling. i had gout 40 years ago but symtoms disappeared and bloodtests became normal on their own. i welcome oxalate dumping and will wait these discomforts out. no kidney issues and urinary is normal. thanks for the info. im weary of the fearmongers named $___y et al... but my body is adapting, weight is dropping and the threatened diagnois of insulin resistance will be averted. at 90 day will reivaluate adjust diet items, and looking for good longterm outcome🎉
My hairdresser’s sister had kidney stone, she drank green smoothies (loaded with spinach) everyday, and her doctor told her to stay off spinach. A friend of mine loved to eat almonds, and she developed kidney stone also.
@@anthonymarotta1238 that’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying that, if you hadn’t been on a high carb diet and had damage from that, you’d be fine eating oxalates.
@@s.sparkle8739 Better to discover for yourself what is inflammatory or anti-inflammatory by adding and subtracting extraneous foods from the basic beef, water, salt and fat diet. After a couple of months on a strict basic diet, you will become more sensitive and reactive to the foods that "inflame" your body and which don't. And invariably you will find they are quite different from the one's click-baited on RUclips and free blogs written in intense and crowded subcontinental "blog farm offices" trying to game the Google search algorithms, pretending to be "Western Wellness Women".
I most 37 lbs and was eating high protein low carb ...I just passed a kidney stone, and found out I have another one on right side, 5 milmeter..in my kidney ..I never in my life had a kidney stone or have a family history of it..what do you think cashed this problem..Could it be to much animal protein..I was not eating hardly no vegetables..
I agree with every other topic he discusses except this one. Been carnivore for 5 years and yet still periodically have oxalate toxicity symptoms as described by other doctors... perfect bloodwoork but can feel really ill... no other explanation.
Oxalate can takes years to clear the system. Your body is just releasing the build up. My experience: My experience: . CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
You're not wrong, oxalates are a massive issue! Follow my page for an upcoming video about oxalates soon and let me know if you'd like access to my low oxalate meal plan
the lack of saturated fat and excess carbs in your diet, not the oxalates in your food causes your oxalic acid stones. ... In mammals, oxalate is produced during the metabolism of carbohydrates, vitamin C and certain amino acids. As a terminal metabolite, oxalate must be sequestered or excreted to maintain homeostasis. ...kidney stones are made internally not because we eat oxalates but because we eat carbs!!!
Should a person should up the fat intake on carnivore if experiencing gout? I've been carnivore 10 months & have had issues. Was keto 2 1/2 years before. I love your channel btw:)
@@chrislastnam6822what actual non-epidemiological, non-manipulated by big food/sugar associations, actual studies support that claim. That has been debunked many times! Nobody knows what they ate a year ago much less their entire life. Hong Kong has the highest longevity rate and they're also the biggest consumers of red meat over every country in the world.
The question is, if you eat a human appropriate diet devoid of plants. why would I need to chelate anything extra if my body is just going to excrete it in non-crystaline form anyway if it is unnecessary?
I hear you dr... its so confusing with everyone including drs..telling you eat this not that.. another will say ..no eat that not this... we are just left confused...I feel like crying...I've wasted so much money.....and I'm still confused... ( I don't eat meat... just fish)
Doc , you’re killing me . 😂 I’m an RN and I like you doc I was morbidly obese. Things have changed now for the better. I’m just overweight but still in the fight . When we start focusing on one issue, we lose focus on the whole picture. Thanks for explaining that with oxalates . Doc can you address iron anemia ? Specially with women as we are different from men and a low carb diet . Thanks .
8 months in, 63lbs down reason to start depression weight loss side effect. First month gout flare up, burning urine very cloudy, passed I am sure a few small grain like stones, now I understand why, thanks all symptoms are gone, depression very much gone however I do have my days "normal"
Doc, you and Saladino are going to have to square off and settle this, because he has plants as the source of most of the world's woes. I can barely enjoy my salads any more. I get the sense that the only diet I should every consider is cold, raw grass-fed beef liver on a plate. And keto had been working so well for me for 15 months now. 108 pounds lost, diabetes kicked into remission. Cheers.
At the moment, Dr Saladino is going after polyunsaturated fatty acids as the main culprit for today's issues and he's not so worried about carbs anymore. (At least not if you're metabolically healthy already). Dr. Cywes just posted a video today about veggies. He's giving you a free pass to consume them because "they don't count" when it comes to carbs. A CGM will prove that, too. Great job with the diabetes management!!! That's awesome! I love hearing that! :)
Omg!!! I have been vegetarian for 5 yrs then convinced myself that vegetable were bad and carnivores diet was optimal. So I only eat meat now. I’m petrified of eating vegetables and now I hear that it’s ok to eat them😫 I am absolutely confused and upset about all this.
@@AnnaMariaAnia Yes it can be confusing. I've been studying nutrition & Keto for over one and a half years now. Went from 83kg to 60kg in the first 8 mths and now stable. But it will take several more years to undo the majority of the damage my body has suffered from decades of the long term lethal SAD diet. On the SAD diet after a few decades, EVERYBODY starts having their organs failing. The thing is; there's a big difference between just eating a healthy diet, and eating a specific tailored diet with the aim to quickly recover from long term extreme volume carbohydrate consumption - and your own specific bodily damage. The first is easier - basically a traditional human diet, healthy locally grown and raised whole foods, and leave out ALL the factory processed and factory created products and so called "foods" (e.g. veg. oils etc). The second is much more complicated, as you need to evaluate exactly where your body is, damage wise; and then allow for those specifics with dietary choices. To understand our own health or rather in-health, we need to take on board a whole lot of nutritional education, and that's difficult to do with all the misinformation that's widely preached and taught, and believed by most people!?. Both are annoyingly somewhat complicated however, simply because our commonly available western food supplies are swamped with unhealthy and dangerous products that no human should ever consume - all the way to literal poisons freely included. It's a mine field. But walking through it is quite doable, once you get sufficiently educated and experienced. The BIG problem is the SAD diet and all their dangerously unhealthy food products. Get off it as quickly as you can, and you already have 90% of your solution/remedy accomplished. So my point and reason for replying is to point out that people confuse the two aims. The second IS mostly required, because most people HAVE been living on the SAD diet for multiple decades already. A final point for further complication :), we're NOT all the same, different blood lines have adapted differently to their original local traditional diet (the human body is a VERY smart design). Such adaption "sticks" through about seven generations. So that unfortunately there is no one easy diet definition that will best suit every individual. So the process becomes an exploration, an adventure. It can be very interesting and enjoyable - a personal science experiment where you get to see (and feel) immediate results. Both good and bad! lol. Hope this helps.
amisoftau thank you very much for such a detailed reply. I do understand how we are all different and what we scam the food pyramid is. I have been educating myself for 3 yrs now and I’m super interested in nutritional science And yes I take everything with balance BUT this last video really blew me away as I honestly believed that vegetables were unnecessary and actually should be avoided! My metabolic rate is absolutely perfect but I would like to eat perfect as well....
I am going into my sixth year of keto then carnivore for 2 years. Trying to figure out why I’m getting Tartar on my teeth in the past year or so. I never used to get a Tartar build up??? Someone suggested oxalates dumping…so I’ve been researching. This makes sense…but why the new Tartar trend?
The typical grocery store almond milk contains a few almonds per serving, its mostly water. People generally eat far more almonds(and almond flour)than they would get in a cup of almond milk.
One thing I understood from a video I watched and listened to a couple months ago was that soaking raw almonds in clean water overnight, then draining them and letting then dry a bit before eating them does something good for them. Personally, I like to soak them so the don't break my teeth, but that's just me.
You’re also making us an assumption regarding nicotine. I Vape which is the best harm reduction tobacco tool ever invented. It stopped my emphysema progression. I’ve never felt better.
Even if we agree or not... The more we talk about it and study is a good thing. I see comments here who says that oxalates are horrible for them etc... Let us know so we know what fuel fuels you. Some people are very ok with high oxalates but who know how it can be in 10 years for that person... The human body is a complex machine. So what I like about you doctor is that you bring it up. Let the debate start etc then but we have become so emotional and an attack on the person, the subjectivity rather than being objective takes over fast. We are "relearning" how to eat normal again. People live to eat! It's sad... We should eat to live... Like dr Berry said... Eat and go out and play. Thank you for talking about oxalades. I'm into learning more about them. I had to bring tiny amounts back into my diet due to very very loose stool from being carnivore. Takes time, for some people, to dump them down, if those are hurting them or they want to heal something. Complex stuff... But fascinating.
Yes, you made me think. As a victim of two kidney stones now, the second one 8 mm, both dislodged shortly after becoming fat adapted, I'm extremely concerned. Afraid even. I don't ever want to go through that again. However my carbohydrate addiction is also horrible and I'm having trouble kicking it. My urologist says the main problem with kidney stones is not drinking enough water. After watching your video, I'm inclined to agree. Water is very hard for me. if I don't put myself on a drinking schedule I will go all day and realize I drank maybe a half a cup of water--or NONE. I have to force myself to drink a half a cup of water every half hour, knowing that I will miss a bunch of them, to get in even a decent amount of water. I wonder what's wrong with my thirst mechanism.
Is there an element of dosage making the poison? After learning a little bit about oxalates, I decided to run a little experiment. I used to eat a couple of handfuls of almonds (dry roasted and only seasoned lightly with salt) for lunch every weekday (along with some hard cheese, and some sort of lunch-/deli-meat. I eliminated the almonds and put hard boiled eggs in their place. In a few days, I noticed an improvement in some chronic left forearm pain. And after a few weeks of this regimen that pain is pretty much completely gone. This was the only change I made; is there another possible explanation if it is not due to the oxalates??
You are correct. My experience: . CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
Thanks for clearing that up. It’s just too much to think about 😅 nobody has time to calculate all this stuff. I’ll stick to my keto on weekends/carnivore during the week/fasting once a month rotations and call it a day. No sense in stressing over which veggie or berry has the least oxylates when I don’t even eat mass quantities of those foods anyway!
My wife gets kidney stones every couple of years. She is convinced that oxilates? are the problem. I maintain that it's the constant carbs overloading her liver. We're at loggerheads. About to send her this video. Wish me luck!
They are one in the same. . It's a universal. CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
Isn’t it amazing that all the problems blamed on meat and saturated fat, go away when all you eat is meat and saturated fat!
We ate mostly carnivore for centuries, only this past century have we stacked up these Carb-morbidities and Seed Oil Soaked sicknesses.
We have Fasted since birth, yet we recently promote it's NO FOOD healing powers.
S.O.S. Seed Oils Sugar beware.
WTF?....Work The Fast🌞✔🥩🥚
Beautifully stated. Those that assumed satd fat cause harm are victims of the same illogic used by the oxalate theorists. Carnivore is great, no issue
True dat..
Bonnie Mcconnell hope you don’t mind...I want to copy your comment and post it on my Facebook. Can I?
I feel so much better eating carnivore & no veggies... so that's what I do.
I was eating what most people would consider a healthy diet, but it was high in oxalates. Going on a very low oxalate diet has cured my lifelong joint and foot pain. If I eat spinach today that pain will be right back tomorrow.
I have been carni with green veg/salad for two years ! Now 1 week into totally no veg . Waiting to see if there are benefits ( foot pain in particular ) !! Not overly impressed with Mr Cywes ( bit childish and too clever,clever for my taste ) Hoping you are more right than he !!! 😊
Yeah, he contradicts himself in this video. He saying it’s not a “thing” and yet, he mentions that oxalates binds to calcium and other nutrients to help it pass through…. Well, that means oxalates are anti-nutrients!! Yes, for the most part, oxalates do bind to nutrients like calcium.. but what he’s missing is, by calcium’s nd other nutrients binding to oxalates, you are also stripped of these nutrients, thereby, making you low on them… contradicting wouldn’t you say?
@@neurodivajewelz Exactly, well said.
@@wendycarter5718 How is it going with that, is the foot pain any better. You may want to supplement with vit D, a deficiency in that also can cause foot pain.
yup plantar fascititis and gout and knee and toe etc etc got me researching why this was happening and then I found out ....and then I cut back on oxalates and no longer need KNEE SURGERY ...the doctor said I needed total knee replacement.....NOPE I needed to get off oxalates
Dr. Cywes didn't die from drinking his coffee because coffee is low in oxalates (not high, as he stated).
I think it's all the rest adding up over a 100 mg a day.
And most of all,that was a ridiculous act.i didn't expect such an overreacting from him🙄
Isn't he carnivore now?
Right, you'd think he would've known that. And the sarcastic act helps no one's credibility.
Coffee is crap though anyway
After three years of keto I developed a 6 mm kidney stone and then gallstones, analyzed to be from oxalates. I was eating tons and tons of almonds and spinach and other high oxalate foods on keto. My urologist told me that with the advent of almond milk they started seeing more and more kidney stones. BTW, kidney stone pain is on a level that I didn’t even know could exist.
What did you do after that? Did you try carnivore or was the possibility of oxalate dumping a concern?
@@petermorris9366 I no longer eat keto, just try to eat healthy.
After ten years on keto I got a 9 mm stone snd had surgery , now that kidney is atrophy. I found out later that calcium in milk binds to oxolate in the gut and passing it through your kidneys and is eliminated. If you drink a glass of Milk when you eat foods with oxolate it is a sure way to keep them
Out of your kidneys
@@bethisrael-bet-this-is-rea5270 But milk hurts the absorption of iron in the gut. Proteins in milk also when metabolized leave waste that has to go trough the liver, and calcium is being used to deal with this waste. So calcium from the milk is practically used to help clean the waste in this case. The thing is, people are different, some people have issues with eggs, some with milk or lactose, some with gluten, some with god knows what...
It's a crime that probably 99% of people are not aware of oxalate poisoning especially 'thanks' to spinach and almonds while 80% of kidney stones are oxalate-stones these days (according to Sally Norton). There should be warning signs on the package.
No, my stones did not go away with fat adapted ketosis... I had to get rid of all plants.
I think you’re wrong, I’ve always had a good diet, but I have chronic back pain from a car accident. I stopped eating foods with oxalates and went carnivore for two months and the pain decreased by 90%
I think it was the carnivore diet that healed you.
Agreed
Switching to carnivore was definitely what helped your body heal. Wasn't so much removing Oxalates as it was removing all processed sugars.
He's not wrong. In fact you've proved him right. On the carnivore diet you have no choice but get fat adapted. Which he says solves the oxalates issue.
I've eaten a plant based diet free of ANY junk foods, processed foods, carbs, other than those in some veg - for 40 years!
I had no health problems but developed arthritis in 2 fingers only since the last 6 months.
I am now on carnivore diet for 4 weeks and fingers are 80% better. So tell me again why its not oxalates?
What the Doctor says is a point well taken but from what I've understood from experts on the subject of Oxalates, such as Sally Norton, is that the problem with oxalates is that the average person eats a large amount of oxalates every day, more than what the body can handle before it becomes toxic, which is about 50 milligrams per day. Most people eat in the hundreds of milligrams per day, and oxalates become toxic at those numbers, and over the years, they can create many health problems.
For sure. I wonder if he's changed his thoughts about this topic from over 4 years ago!
I totally get that lots of people freak out over oxalates and for me I wanted to find out if oxalates was the cause of my eczema that I've been suffering from since a teen. So I tried the carnivore diet... eliminating anything that can cause a problem in digestion. Within 7 days I pass several kidney stones and parasites... it was amazing and the most painful experience I've ever had. But if I hadn't try the elimination process I have no idea how big those kidney stones would have gotten.
I am continuing my carnivore diet to see what else happens and so far my skin has cleared up and started to heal.
For me I would say if you have a condition or illness start eliminating and see what happens and adjust accordingly....
Great advice!
❤❤
Not coffee. Most of the foods heavy with oxalate were not traditionally eaten or were processed somehow ( soaking, fermenting, sprouting). This information, oxalate poisoning, is saving my life!! It takes time for the oxalate to accumulate to dangerous levels. We have forgotten about the toxicity in plants, our ancestors knew and took great pains to process the toxins out of plants. It took decades for my oxalate level to begin harming me. I had a very high level of oxalate in my diet.
Me too. My experience: . CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
same!
correctly said. This is why raw foods are even dangerous if you eat them on a high level. skip all the food nonsense and influenced religious fanatics and use traditional cooking and kitchen methods (spinach with cream and rhubarb with vanilla sauce etc.)and you will be just fine.
Coffee is not the villain, I love coffee since the age of 5, i'm 69 and never had stones of any kind.
After 3 years on a strict KETO lifestyle with ample green leafy vegetables, I passed a kidney stone in early 2021 that caused the most painful experience in my life. After that experience, I significantly reduced my consumption of high oxalate foods. I have not had any additional kidney stone issues. That is my n=1 experience.
Wow, wonder then why my knees and other joints got MUCH better, after getting the High Ox foods out I'd my diet!! I was eating a VERY healthy diet, NO crap and my joints were falling apart! So I beg to differ with you, oxalates were wreaking havoc on my body and now I no longer need knee replacements!I think there is indeed something to this oxalate issue!! Finding out about oxalate foods has had a huge effect on my health! All for the better!!
The Doc’s use of the dramatic pause is Level Expert
I had to laugh. Yes, Level Expert. I always glance up at my wifi connection to see if I'm connected - then he starts up again. I giggle every time. I love it! :)
Simply Me same here 😂😂😂
Just imagine you are his patient LOL
Thank you, I appreciate learning more about ox.!
He's a drama king and I love him
I was drinking raw spinach and almond milk smoothies daily for several years, I had no idea that was too much oxalates to be considered safe. Now that I have eliminated plants from my diet, I'm having symptoms of oxalate dumping, and it's not fun. I'm just hoping that this is temporary and will end soon.
You may want to ease your body into a new eating plan. I'm no doctor but dramatic changes can have negative effects.
Regardless of oxalates, no one should consume spinach more than twice in a week, let alone daily😮 Hope your recovery will be speedy
@@misst.e.a.187 and certainly not raw...
Thats where I am right now. Hang in there. Get Sally K Norton’s book “Toxic Superfoods” she breaks down how to do it.
Drink a lot of lemon water
would love to see an interview with this doctor and Sally K Norton I bet the truth is somewhere in the middle
I totally second that: this dr and Sally need to have a conversation. I would pay to sit and listen.
@ricksmith3876 no it's not, that's what worked for her, it's here experience with certain food that caused here health issues, that doesn't mean everybody will have those health issues from consuming those food.
@@sabermouad9750 I hear that all the time as if that is why we should not do something? Meanwhile, thousand of people who have done the leap, and have gone Lion diet. Thrive way more that a vegan.
@@sabermouad9750 some people lack the enzyme to break down the oxalates in the GI tract.....I am one of those people...I can't have even a little sweet potato or tea etc I will wake up next day with a swollen joint and unable to move
@@robryan751One's diet has to be balanced, not extremes. The human body can not function properly on just meat. That's absolutely ridiculous.
I had oxalate crystals coming out my nose and rims of my eyes. Oxalates have made my life miserable. I agree that this is not everyone’s problems but they sure got me. I had a diet super high in oxalate foods while eating tons of veggies, no junk, no processed food and a reasonable amount of animal foods. Getting them out of my diet has been game changes. It was overload for me not a doubt in my mind.
But I also have a background of lots of antibiotics and drugs as a kid and I know my body has been very damaged. But I will never add oxalate back into my diet. I realize this is a complex issue but I won’t ever be going back that way.
You should add probiotic, reduce veggies.
@ I don’t eat veggies. I can’t do anything cultured. But I am a million percent better since going high fat carnivore (but low histamine). Wish I knew all this stuff years ago instead of falling for the veggie narrative.😟
So does that mean since I don't die immediately after smoking a cigarette, that it's not bad for me? I can have as many as I want right? The body will only absorb what it needs and waste the rest right?
I used to suffer terrible chronic gout… And even the first year of doing the keto diet I would get flares… However I can say with confidence that the good doctor is correct. Almost three years into being fat adapted and I can say with confidence I cured my gout. If you suffered from gout like I did chronically… Then you know that statement is life changing statement.
Thanks for saying this, I just seem to have gout attacks every other week. I shall persist with ketovore.
Fructose is the villain of the piece.
@@six-gun and they say an apple a day keeps the doctor away, lol
Great to hear. However, the 'good doctor' claims oxalates are necessary. But concedes they're an antinutrient. No proof. But it's great to hear that you didn't need to do more than being fat adapted to cure gout.
Dark Cherries or any cherries🍒are good for GOUT 🙏also
when theres a flare up in your feet... at night wrap your feet in SAVOY cabbage leaves put socks on over the top and sleep like that till the morning. It draws out the UREA crystals from the feet.
They use this protocol in SWISS🇨🇭 CLINICS
Why do so many people on keto get oxalate poisoning though? And feel better when they stop eating them?
If you smoke 1 cigarette, it doesn’t kill you, but we all know cigarettes are carcinogenic. He demonstrates he doesn’t immediately die after drinking coffee (which is actually low oxalate) to prove a point. He does prove a point, but not the one he was intending.
After 1 year of experimenting on and off of carnivore I have found oxalates to definitely be not beneficial at higher quantities. I am very open to the fact that oxalates do not completely need to be removed from the diet. Good or bad I simply enjoy my coffee and some black pepper on my Food which are actually rather low in oxalate.
Yes I took advise like this from someone else and six months later ended up with oxalate poisoning. The vast majority of people do not have the oxalate-degrading bacteria in there gut and if you have been given antibiotics then you certainly don't have it. Telling people to be completely ignorant of the issue doesn't help anyone.
At what point did he recommend complete ignorance? Did you miss the part about the transition to fat adaption?
@@66gtb he is definitely being dismissive. MANY people will have zero problems with oxalates, but a FAIR AMOUNT of people WILL! Also, plenty of people will feel better including healthy carbohydrates in their diet. Ultimately, everyone is different, and has to take different approaches, based on their individual issues, goals, pre-existing conditions... etc. etc.
How did you figure out your issue was "oxalate poisoning" ?
I am oxalate dumping right now. I was on a screwed up diet called pure high oxalate superfoods for decades. Im not dying but it does hurt. Better to learn from Sally Norton or Elliot Overton on this topic.
Oxalates can throw off your mineral balance, form painful crystals throughout the body (more often in women than men due to estrogen receptors in the kidneys)… this more often creating oxalate kidney stones in men who overload on them.
I appreciate absorbing new perspective from this guy…
Don’t appreciate him discounting the experience of those experiencing the painful oxalate dumping process as I am.
If elimination pathways can not keep up, cations are insufficient etc… and there is dysfunction… then reducing the intake of oxalate is needed.
Also warning people about super high oxalate foods can help prevent the overload in some people… ie spinach and rhubarb and beet greens and chard and almonds etc over years are not helping.
A carnivore keto diet with a little oxalate is fine. A little oxalate generated endogenously is normal.
Living on a high oxalate plant based diet is not normal to our genetics and the dose makes the poison.
@@HammyGirl999 I stopped eating raw veggies about a month ago, now I think I'm "oxalate dumping." I wasn't drinking green smoothies, but I ate lots of almonds, almond flour and veggies high in oxalate. I recently watched a Stoium video that explained why after cutting back on oxalate high foods, I suddenly have a rash on my arms and back. I just wanted to reply to your comment because I'm not sure what other symptoms I should watch for with an oxalate dump. My family has been eating a ketovore diet for about five years now, so I know it's not a carb overload.
If oxalates are not a problem when we consume them as your description says, why are there documented cases of humans having died from over-consumption of oxalate? E.g., in rhubarb or sorrel? Why do people report relief from other health problems when they stop consuming high oxalate foods?
Also, if consumption of oxalate isn't a problem and is as helpful as you suggest in the video, would you be willing to consume large amounts (say around 1 gram) of it on a daily basis to prove your point? If not, why not?
No proof it was oxalates
Most humans eat veg every day. Non have proven issues CAUSED BY OXALATE CONSUMPTION. overconsumption is silly
@@robertcywes2966 Ok, so you think it was bad science? Do you have any further info on that?
Why not consume a good dose of daily oxalate if it's beneficial? Say 500mg or more.
@@robertcywes2966 What is the proper amount to consume, then? You must have an idea since you've studied this.
I’m sorry, yes, you are a doctor, and like every doctor before you, you discount the pain, cramps, bloating, inflammation, and constipation, among other problems... that “correlates” to me having eaten a high oxalate food. All doctors, at least the ones I have gone to for help, just push pharmaceuticals. There is no medicine that has ever helped me. I would go almost a month sometimes before I would have a bowel movement. Doctors all said eat fiber, which caused my pain and inflammation to go through the roof. I may not be a doctor, but I know my own body and I know the experiences that I have had since limiting my oxalates to near zero. I’m not excessively overweight, nor am i trying to lose a lot of weight, but I lost 7 pounds the very first week. My stomach before this new lifestyle was grossly bloated and felt like a spare tire around my upper stomach. I’m 5’ 8”, was 132 lbs. I’m going to live life my way, on my terms. I find it interesting that you would put yourself on RUclips to say we know nothing and you know everything.
Well he did mention cases like you where there is malfunction of the system, but it's not the case with everyone
Well he did mention cases like you where there is malfunction of the system, but it's not the case with everyone
Tip of the day: Eat a handful of walnuts with a slab of cheddar cheese. The calcium in the cheese will bind with the oxalates in the walnuts and exit the system. 😄
Finally someone who understands dealing with oxalates. I agree. Calcium binds to the oxalates an makes the oxalate crystals soften so they leave the body without being painfully sharp.
I eat walnuts with my coffee.....
@@nicholasb8799 I drink coffee with my walnuts. 🙂
@@DeutschesLeid I love it....
Amen!
Just because some of something is good doesn't mean that a whole pile of the same thing is even better or just as good. Anything can be a poison in sufficient doses. The better question is: how much oxalate intake is ok, and how much is too much? What happens when there is too much in an otherwise healthy body?
I hate vegetables so I've never even worried about oxalates.
You don't season them, would you eat chips with out salt and vinegar?
@@eifionphillips3004 some people won't eat veggies regardless of seasoning
They are in everything but meat and high fat dairy.
@@cindyjohnson1025 that's about all I eat
And what's your source of Vitamins and minerals??
A recent study showed dietary oxalate contributed to 50% of urinary oxalate. So you are incorrect, endogenous oxalate *may* be more significant in some diseases, but a significant portion stems from the diet. This increases on a HIGH oxalate diet.
You should reconsider your position
I needed to hear an opposing viewpoint
The possibility exists that the study you site is poor science.
Exactly right.
You should reconsider your position too.
@@Edwardthe208 I previously had a similar stance to the doc who posted this video, until I destroyed my health with oxalate. That opened a whole can of worms which I really wish I didn't have to experience, but I learned some useful lessons in the process... so I guess it was worth it
I could listen to this guy for hours.He's awesome
I recently took the massive amount of unknown oxylates out of my diet and I can hold my urine again, I don’t wake 2-3 times a night to pee Massage amounts of urine, the arthritis I was just diagnosed with a 42 is significantly improving. I’m staying FAR away from them.
Thank you for all you do to re-educate us about human nutrition. I always remember from my critical thinking class in college that “correlation is not causation.”
I wish I could give your comment ten thumbs up.
Many research scientists and physicians forget this fundamental truth.
This makes SO much more sense to me, and i have experienced the awful effects! I have had crippling anxiety my entire life. I've had digestive issues and interstitial cystitis most of my life as well. I also developed rheumatoid arthritis and severe lymphatic swelling 5 years ago. I started eating low carb most of the time about 10 years ago with good results with my digestion, but continued to have severe anxiety and panic. So last summer I went full carnivore for 4 months, which meant I eliminated oxalate as well. For the first time, I was panic free. I also saw the largest reduction in the RA that I have so far. Then I started a more Ray Peat approach, keeping oxalate rich foods out but incorporating natural sugar and fruit. My RA is now worse than ever. I am still anxiety free, but I think my leaky gut just couldn't handle all the spinach\chocolate and other oxalate rich foods I used to eat. I am going back to keto and can't wait to be pain free again! Thanks for sharing!!
No. It's a universal. CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
For meat, try ruminant animals only, as their stomachs detox and ferment the food, with non-ruminant animals like pigs and chickens, you eat what they eat, which is a lot of omega6.
@@chavbudgie4299 Funny how lamb and cows are the sacrificial animals and associated with divinity/god.
Thank you thank you thank you! Amazing words. Spot on! I am trying my hardest to understand all this information and apply to the best of my ability to improve my health. So much info out there. If you're an amateur like me well then a person can get confused and mislead. But all your lectures are inspiring, brutally honest and eye opening. I had also gotten afraid of the oxalate issue.. and surely I don't know what I'm doing. But I persisted in trying to learn more things and make better decisions. Your lectures have helped me immensely. I've turned carnivore now for 7 weeks. It's going very, very well. My energy, focus, mood are all elevated. I'm a 63 yr old female. Two meals a day, I don't need more and I'm never hungry only around meal time. I've lost a lot of weight now, and it continues to drop.. carb/sugar addiction really packed some pounds on me. I'm so grateful that they fall off effortlessly and I don't have to starve myself to death with minimizing diets.
Anyway, I'm a big fan of yours. Don't ever change! 👌💞 Keep those videos coming!
Yes, Don’t be afraid of oxalates, if you are eating other things of a healthy diet. It’s only people (like me) who are extremely health compromised and go on a strictly high oxalate only diet like I did. In the future I will be able to have these super healthy foods. Enjoy you healthy diet journey.
I believe those that have experienced issues with high oxalate intake but completely believe the good Dr. that for many it is not a problem. It feels so good to find out what foods cause issues and adjust. I had IBS for decades before realizing I have allergies to wheat/corn/soy/cow dairy and stopping them within a couple months I had no more IBS and associated back pain. How can we better determine who has issues with specific foods? The tests available seem very unreliable. Thx
Tell that to my calcium oxalat kidney stones. Id rather stay away from them than go through that pain again, thank you very much.
Watch 5:54 about the interplay of cations in the gut. Yes, oxalates are a problem but not the reason that they are popularized for. Its very similar to the whole saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease argument. Those oxalate kidney stones are part of a waste product. Its a dysfunction.
@@AxelSituation yes, I had cushings sydnrome, and my endo siad that the stones i got was because of that. but i was also eating 200g of raw spinach day for 5 month. EVERY day.
@@timothy790110 Same with me!! Take a look at Chanca Piedra - it's an herb referred to as "stone breaker" - great results for oxalate-based kidney stones! RUclips mykylc - great testimony...
Anecdotes do not equate to evidence
@@thakraken6995 so it’s ok for Rob to pick and choose what he wants to deemed harmful? Funny , that’s why I don’t listen to any doctor and anyone that sells anything, just go by what makes me feel good and calm
I was chronically ill for years. Trying to manage Graves’ disease with diet etc. I was loading up on spinach, plant based protein powder , almonds , dark chocolate, black tea, only using almond milk every morning and dandelion tea every night for “detox”. Eating ZERO dairy due to lactose intolerance. I spent 14 days on a low oxalate diet and although the first 4 days were horrendous with back pain and bloating, headache and fatigue, I felt far better than I had in years after the two weeks. But now I eat normally with the exception of the big offenders (think rhubarb, spinach, chocolate, black tea, almonds etc.) I am just more aware and be reasonable. I completely cut nut milks and plant based protein powders as well and I am feeling good for the first time in years. Who knows if it was oxalate…. I don’t really care. I just know that being aware and making some adjustments was life changing for me. 🫶
I’ve been bouncing in and out of carnivore for about five years even some keto in there but I’ve learned every time I go back to the American diet. It does not take long for me to gain weight for my depression, anxiety to come back binge eating then I make up my mind to go back to carnivore and my anxiety depression slowly goes away I have more energy vitality. I am also doing intermittent fasting, which plays a part with carnivore, and I’m convinced that fasting and carnivore and keeping carbs to a bare minimum or even nothing at all the way to go everybody out there is different you tune your body to what works for you good luck.🤨😂😎
In some individuals I am seeing a reduction in certain things like inflammation specifically through visible skin irritation also in pigment changes as strange as it may seem with a drastic reduction of oxalate.
If oxalates bind with calcium in the gut, why wouldn't we just try not to eat oxalate rich foods - such as almonds and spinach? I wonder what the RDA of calcium is if you're not eating anything that robs nutrients from your intake of food?
I am oxalate dumping right now. I was on a screwed up diet called pure high oxalate superfoods for decades. Im not dying but it does hurt. Better to learn from Sally Norton or Elliot Overton on this topic.
Oxalates can throw off your mineral balance, form painful crystals throughout the body (more often in women than men due to estrogen receptors in the kidneys)… this more often creating oxalate kidney stones in men who overload on them.
I appreciate absorbing new perspective from this guy…
Don’t appreciate him discounting the experience of those experiencing the painful oxalate dumping process as I am.
If elimination pathways can not keep up, cations are insufficient etc… and there is dysfunction… then reducing the intake of oxalate is needed.
Also warning people about super high oxalate foods can help prevent the overload in some people… ie spinach and rhubarb and beet greens and chard and almonds etc over years are not helping.
A carnivore keto diet with a little oxalate is fine. A little oxalate generated endogenously is normal.
Living on a high oxalate plant based diet is not normal to our genetics and the dose makes the poison.
I think that it makes more sense to stay away from Sally Norton and Elliot Overton (since they are panickers who raise panic about oxalates). But, I also advise not to underestimate oxalates. Neither scaremongering (which Sally Norton and Elliot Overton do) or underestimating is good. Healthy person (with an impeccable health) eats 200-300 mg of oxalates on a daily basis without any problems. This is standard amount of dietary oxalates and it is acceptable, providing that you are healthy.
It is, still, wise to avoid eating (or jucing) pounds of spinach every day (especially if you are prone to CaOx kidney stones), since this is the moment where oxalates can cause serious health problems.
Omnivore diet is the best and the key is a moderation. Omnivore diet > keto diet > karnivore diet. Omnivore diet is the balanced diet. Keto diet permits large amounts of spinach (just one handful of it contains 755mg of oxalates) and other high oxalate foods, while carnivore diet excludes every plant based food (it even excludes a low oxalate plants, like an arugula or cabbage). Keto diet, due to all reasons above, raises risk of getting Calcium Oxalate stones, while carnivore diet can bring other set of problems (like raising LDL or causing colon cancer in the worst case scenario (which can be lethal if it is left untreated)).
Thank you for clarifying! I have been explaining to my clients that balance is needed. The proper food combining is crucial for a balanced diet. Your explanation will assist me in my classes.
I am not a Dr. nor am I a scientist but I know one thing for sure. I was 430 pounds in 2010 and decided to go low carb. I lost 200 pounds and felt great and consumed almost no veggies. In October of 2016, I wanted to lose a few more pounds and decided I would bring in more veggies, nuts, and 90% dark chocolate. I had never eaten spinach but thought I would try it and see if I liked it. I did, and so I started with cooked spinach and then went on to raw spinach. The longer I went the more spinach I ate every single day. I also ate almonds, 90% dark chocolate every single day. In September of 2018, I was blessed with kidney stones that ended up with me having surgery and my first experience with a catheter. So in 41 years of living, I had not been eating a high oxalate diet from veggies and nuts and had never had a kidney stone. In two years of bringing in "the big salads," I am down and out with kidney stones. The urologist looked at my diet (I keep detailed spreadsheets of everything I eat) and he said this is 100% due to diet. He told me to cut out all the high oxalate foods and stay under 50 oxalates a day. So can I say for sure that it is the fault of oxalates? Again, not being a Dr. nor a Scientist I can only go off of what I read and what happened to me. After dealing with kidney stones I will let the big-armed sailor deal with kidney stones, not me.
Yeap - I get joint pain and bad "gout" on my toe when I eat green veggies... I love the doc but not sure this video is comprehensive...
agreed on all fronts!@@Kebekgirl69
I totally agree with you, they absolutely cause issues! Follow my channel for an upcoming video on oxalates and let me know if you want access to my low oxalate meal plan.
My good friend had the first kidney stone in his life, a rather large one. I did some research and told him to avoid spinach. He then told he had been eating a lot of spinach for the health benefits. 😢
Thanks for sharing your story
How do you support your claims? I find some of the information contradicting. Are there any studies you can share?
I love everything you teach to us about being healthier! I count my lucky stars that I got introduced to you! Andrew Berger told me about you and I'm also a type 1 diabetic! I'm implementing everything you teach!! It's just the beginning for me but I'm totally onboard!! Thank you for helping all of us live a healthier and better life. . . . .all the best to you and your family. . . .
Thank you. So proud of AB. Glad you're on board
Yeah just don't come up with your own Opinion he'll probably slap the s*** out of you
I was listening to Sally K Norton bashing oxalates and high oxalate super foods, and I asked her, "what then will people eat?". It is like one who has diabetes, high cholesterol, and high blood sugar. A doctor says "avoid carbs because they raise sugar". Another says. "avoid red meat and eggs because they have cholesterol and saturated fat". Yet another says "avoid nuts and vegetables because they have oxalates". The three doctors have knocked you out of all food groups. It makes no sense.
Omg you crack me up! Love how you present your info and I love that you say BS lol 😆
I was introduced to you via Judy Cho interview and just started watching your channel.
I do believe oxalates & other plant antinutrients are key for me to avoid. I seem to react to everything plant. Yes I overdid the fresh veg juices & green smoothies after my health wrecked by indoor molds & then multiple tick diseases. First it seemed to help then I just kept getting worse.
Strict elimination diet showed me all the many symptoms I was getting from 99% of plants (not coconut or coffee thankfully).
I’ve been continuing to eliminate plants and feeling better & better. Now I mostly only take a few coconut products. When I eat other plant foods whether processed, raw, or whole/cooked, I am wrecked for days.
I do believe oxalate dumping is a thing for me too. Maybe they affect me more than other people since my health has been so damaged & crazy last 10 years.
I feel best when I stick to good quality fatty meats, butter, and my raw eggs. Cheers.
Thank you Dr. I can appreciate your chemical point of view. I dont know if you have kidney stones, but you might think otherwise. All right i can accept that oxalates a normal biological function but as you say our diets are screwed up. Mine from alcoholism and tobbaco ism and old age. But when your cringing and shaking from miserable kidney stones and doubled up because you cant think or move oxalates a very easy thing to blame. I had some lead acetate gun wipes in my pocket so that may have been causeing the lead shakes. Thanks for trying to explain Dr. The value of oxalates to balance cathy cathode and anni anode. Bless you for trying to explain. Have a nice day.
I agree that not every symptom is an oxalate problem and not every person needs a low or no oxalate diet but for us long term vegans that were totally overdoing it, it can be an issue. It certainly has been for me. I was doing quite well on the keto/carnivore diet until about month 3 and then I had a terrible oxalate dump. It felt like little shards of fiberglass coming out through my skin around the gallbladder/liver. I would put money on a guess that I passed a gall stone one night. Anyway, just saying, for those of us who have really overdone it in the past (my guess I had at least 1000 and possibly 2000mg of oxalates a day on a "healthy plant based diet"), oxalates can certainly be a problem. I am now on a low oxalate diet.
Hello dr my son at 59 had a tooth ache turned to abcees,, bacteria went to gut cut
Then a problem acured do after a little time they gad to remove scare tissue that was about a quarter kilo
His struggling an won't go to the Dr again so his fasting . Etc but the stomach pain is there an his taking pain medication pls him at my wits end how can I help him he refuses to listen to anyone
He suffers with ago phobia Nan now to me it seems depression I stay an hours flight away from him plus a 4 hour drive I need prayers
100 percent correct.
Thank you
I eat tons of salads everyday and have 0 health issues from oxalate.
I'm 64 run marathons.
Slim. No kidney stones.
People are hysterical about fictitious claims about eating vegetables.
Total hysteria.
You can't argue with them that they are wrong
running marathons is not supposed to be the healthiest way to keep fit and healthy. However...
What is a ton to one person may be minicule to another. not to mention we are each unique unto ourselves.
@@virginiaconway374 she probably has a good amount of the enzyme in her GI tract to break down the oxalates.....taking a lot of antibiotics like I did wiped out that enzyme ....so if she didn't take. a lot of antibiotics and has a great GI system then she is probably able to handle the oxalates.....most of us can't
Read the book toxic superfoods.you ll change your mind.
Oxalates hit you where your body is weak.me too,i have never had stones,so i m considered to be oxalate free?...no.my joints are in a bad condition.it hit me where i had my congenital weakness.
See my comment above! By the way, oxalate poisoning only to a very very small part of the population that have extremely broken bodies. There is no kidney stones or kidney disease in oxalate poisoning. You also have to be extremely low in calcium a minerals that bind to oxalates that take it out of the body.
So you of course will feel great eating these oxalate foods. They are so good for you and should eat them. So for you …..keep up the healthy eating. Unfortunately a few of us do have a problem with them now and that is making everyone panic. It’s ridiculous to hear “everyone watch out oxalates are bad” no the aren’t. I hope to tolerate them after awhile and join you eating those fresh veggies and such again.
Great feedback on oxalates. Help balance out all the other information that I was listening to of the negative factors of them they can have or create problems but only if there’s a problem already thank you again. You brought me great peace.
I vote discussion between Doc and Sally Norton!
My good sir, I can tell you first hand that my diet contained so many high oxalate foods stacked at each meal, everyday for years and I was feeling sicker and sicker. Now it took until I was in my 50s but when I discovered oxalates and reduced them my whole body aches and “weird” symptoms went away. Sorry, I don’t have time to listen to the rest of your video. I know what is true for me and my husband. Oxalates are a REAL thing but hey I guess you cannot write many Rx’s if people feel better. ✌️
The doctor needs to study people dumping oxalates. I have them coming out of my eyes and back.
Wow ,what part of the back?
@@ianstuart5660 Highest part of the shoulders and neck area.
What really
How do you know they're coming out of your eyes what's it look like
@@almabollinger It was grit and it was a lot of it. Gone now.
Dr. Cywes Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding of the function of oxalates in the body. I have a question that applies to many people who go on the carnivore diet that is hardly ever discussed. I am hoping you can give advice. I had my gallbladder removed years ago and am wondering if going on a carnivore diet will cause complications with stomach issue like digestion or elimination. No one has ever addressed this from my investigation of the internet. Please advise if I should take an enzyme with HCL or other suggestions. Thanks
Next, lectins in food... I await this chat eagerly ☺️
I eat oxalates daily and have never had a single side effect from them.
All I know is that since I went straight carnivore from keto, my RA is far better. All the nasty little toxins in plants/carbs ARE bad for me. For me, it is "causality". Unless you want to attribute it to, I don't know, coincidence?! !
Agreed carnivore is great for RA. But not due to oxalates in ur diet.
@@robertcywes2966 love your videos 💗pls could you explain why Carnivore is good for RA in that case. Thank you 🙏
@@robertcywes2966 However, all plants ARE carbs. Thus, the intake of plants will contribute, as you clarify, to the production of harmful oxalates.
What was the source of the plants/vegetables that you were consuming? Was it mass produced super market supplied? My point is that healthy locally grown vegetables might not have caused the same problems you experienced. i.e. The poor quality, nutrient and mineral deficient and chemical tainted mass produced "food" may have been the problem, rather than specifically vegetables themselves.
You take away a balenced diet for meat and nothing but meat, yeah you cut out all the potetional causes.
It's the literal version of the phrase "throw the baby out with the bathwater"
I've had 5 stones throughout 12 years and was told to stay away from High Oxalate foods such as spinach. Is that true? I currently have 1 stone that is 2mm in my kidney. How do I keep that from growing or hopefully I can pass it? Please advise. Thank you! Lisa Wintersdorff
My experience: . CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
Chanca Piedra. Oxalates are definitely a massive issue! Follow my page for an upcoming video about oxalates soon and let me know if you'd like access to my low oxalate meal plan
Ok... I feel like you're discounting a lot of the work done by Sally Norton and others as well as the experience of many people on the low oxalate diet. I first heard the term "oxalate dumping" when I was experimenting with carnivore. Are you actually saying that all of the work done on oxalates can be boiled down to "correlation doesn't mean causation" and that we should then believe your strong implication that "it's not the oxalates....?" How thoroughly have you researched the work done on this issue?
No. You either didn't watch the video or you did not catch what he was saying.
@@AxelSituation I did watch the video. He said not to assume causation based on correlation. He completely ignored all of the research and the experience of thousands of people and hasn't said why.
I agree with Jane. I’m not concerned with stones or gout as much as the other damage. My biggest issue is peripheral neuropathy but also may have other issues listed that are seriously affected by oxalates.
I'm sure as a doctor he's done more research on the topic than you as a random RUclipsr criticizing videos using pseudo claims. "he completely ignored all of the research and experience of thousands of people" okay link that documented research for one. Two, anecdotes do not equate to evidence
@@thakraken6995 yeah um... I didn't say I personally did any research... and I'm not "sure" that a doctor practicing medicine has done any actual research on this topic at all. He certainly didn't indicate as much.
I wish my PCP was like Dr. Cywes. On keto I was 12% bodyfat Elite level VO2max deadlift 2x bodyweight my perfect triglycerides and glucose levels and my doc said i was gonna die because my LDL was off the charts... Scared me to deaths
ROFLOL
Tell your PCP to upgrade his lipidology knowledge. Why on earth are these clowns still practicing like it was 1970, just pushing people on to drugs WITHOUT assessing their REAL CVD risk instead of a simplistic assessment done on insufficient data
If you have low triglycerides (from LCHF/Keto) the burden of transporting them can be handled by HDL, thus preserving your native LDL coming from the liver (i.e., LDL particles remain large, fluffy, undamaged so can return safely to the liver via the LDL receptor, pretty much as they are supposed to)
If the TG level is high, on the other hand, (120) or above, HDL is typically insufficient to cope with transportation of TG so LDL gets recruited for some of the work, stripping them down in size slightly,, bringing them down into the size capable of entering the arterial wall. They then move around, get slightly damaged from the glucose, and other oxidising agents, rendering them foreign to the LDL receptor on the liver, thus leaving them in the blood for far longer, creating a lot of damage to the arterial wall (the liver won't allow them to bind to the LDL receptor after they get oxidised or glycated, so they remain in the blood)
Your PCP would just do well to watch any video of Professor Ken Sikarus, head of Melbourne Pathology who explains it all very simply in nearly all his RUclips videos
If oxylate crystals being deposited in joints is a dysfunction, how do you fix or treat this dysfunction?
Hey Audrey! You can follow my page for an upcoming video about oxalates soon and let me know if you'd like access to my low oxalate meal plan
@@amandakreshalove cheers 🙏
I don’t agree, but I still respect and admire you.
You can't even touch on oxalates in 11 mins. Gut biota status and methylation are involved. His inquiry is lax. Please check out EO's channel on this subject. Doc, I'm hoping for a revision from someone of your caliber😊
Stop gaslighting! By removing oxalates my painful Rheumatoid Nodes from my hands and feet disappeared, the Keto diet alone didn't ease my pain until l gave up the oxalates.
Sorry Doc but I’m not convinced. I’m 14 months into a carnivore diet and have had 6 months of severe scalp issues that are now just finally settling - scaly, flaky (think snow storm) Itchy, pimply scalp. Now however, I’ve developed a rash over much of my body that has been gradually getting worse for about a week and a half - itchy, spotty skin. I’m blaming oxalate dumping because I was eating massive amounts of oxalate for many years in a very highly plant based diet, filled with nuts, seeds, and spinach smoothies with cacao… Ive also had many months last year of sandy, burning diarrhoea and I still get random joint issues when other things flare up. I’m fat adapted now and other health issues have resolved, but this is a thing and I don’t see any other explanation for what’s going on in my body.
You're not wrong, oxalates are a massive issue! They can get addictive too, I swear! Follow my page for an upcoming video about oxalates soon and let me know if you'd like access to my low oxalate meal plan
But what about all the experts who claim that oxalates are harmful, that they embed within body tissues, that their needle-like structure is damaging?
What about - they are exaggerating about them. Prime example is Sally K Norton, who spreads panic that oxalates are truly harmful.
The real truth: they are harmful only if you eat ton of them (like 500mg or 1g). Healthy person will get, on average, 200-300mg of oxalates daily without any problems.
Leaky gut, metabolic dysfunction, IBS, etc, can actually increase oxalate absorption.
They are correct.
I just recently discovered I have oxalate overload. I tried to return something to a dept store that I bought online . The salesperson daid they wouldn't take it back because it was covered in tiny white dots. She said she had never seen that. Can the doc here give an alternate explanation for the tiny bright white dots? I have taken lots of antibiotics, lots if over the counter pain meds and to be healthy I ate lots of high oxalate vegetables ,nuts ,seeds and fruit. Cutting down my oxalates in just the last several weeks has caused many detox reactions such as feeling that my skin was on 🔥 and itching more than ever
Funny you should mention that. I had similar. It may be extremely dry skin as plants cause that and more. Not only do plants have no b vitims but they block them. So we end up with dry skin, dry brittle hair and nails. If you are constantly flaking scalp, eyebrows, face, legs hand feet.....it's plants. My experience: . CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
@@cindyjohnson1025 The tiny bright white dots are oxalate crystals ,not dead skin. Skin cells are yellow and oily.
According to my anthropology professor, humans are omnivores as is shown by our teeth. Meat has hormones and pesticides.
I doubt her book says oxalates cause MS or Loe Gehrig's.
In cultures where people live longest, people eat diets high in fruit vegetables ,fiber, and also eat animal products.
Oxalates become a problem because of antibiotics, glyphosate, leaky gut over the counter pain meds and other factors.
I get the skin dumping too. I would like to see Dr. Cywes put the crystals under a microscope and tell me what they are if not oxalate.
I am north European - with the exception of seasonal berries and *maybe* some root vegetables here and there, my ancestors ate none of the foods on your list of oxalate containing foods. These days, it's very easy to consume very high levels of oxalate. If my ancestors biologically needed them, they made them endogenously. I think the truth to oxalate poisoning is somewhere in between - most people have poor guy health, overall poor health, eat unnaturally high levels of oxalate and don't fast.
Also, it was seasonal - which we don't have anymore - greens were only available in the summer time and we had the rest of the year to purge out any chemicals that can build up in the body - now, pretty much all veggies are always available, all year round - the innate purging process is gone... Sally Norton has a great piece about that...
@@Kebekgirl69 Spot on.
totally!!!
Dr cywes basically said towards the end that there is an issue of dysfunction with oxylate dumping. 2nd time around on carnivore snd achey joints about three months in had me quit the first time. This time around Im thinking its oxylate dumping. This time i have excruciating joint pain the day after a one hour walk the day before. Its just mot normal. Could be many things. Im hoping its oxylate dumping, so at least I know theres a solution for it.
I am so excited to have a consultation with you in November!!! You are the best!!
I got WRECKED by Oxalates, kidney stones, arthritis, lung infections due to low B12, D3 deficiency, heart palpitations etc etc .. Taking me a year to feel better since cutting them out, starts with Gut health
It is interesting that the vilification of oxalates parallels the presumptive demonization of other nutrients in the past. These conclusions are always based on one of two types of errors in judgement:
1. The authority figure looks at a substance's deleterious affects within a damaged body, and erroneously extrapolates from that and assumes that this substance must be damaging to all bodies, even healthy ones. An example of this is the fear of protein. Since high protein has an adverse affect on people with compromised renal function, it is therefore assumed, wrongly, that high protein is problematic for everyone.
2. Using animal studies to test the destructive affects of a substance and, again, inferring from those animal models that the same applies to humans, despite the fact that no clinical or even epidemiological data in humans substantiates this relationship. The shortcomings in animal models was made apparent years ago, when the supposed cancer causing affects of aspartame was debunked when it was illustrated that the study being used to buttress this claim was based on a rat study, where they gave the rats a dose of aspartame that was several hundred times higher, proportionally, to what a person could ever consume in real life
The problem with so much of nutrition research is it is replete with those two types of studies. Then to compound matters, you have weak epidemiology to further add to the confusion. Then the mainstream media gets a hold of these studies and preaches it as gospel, without ever actually disclosing the type of study and its limitations. . Its no wonder so much of the public is bewildered.
I absolutely love and agree with your take. Well said, and objective. Look at LDL and STATI NS. an industry borne of associative assumptions
@Haleman Okay, and you can back that up?
@Haleman Yes, but this doctor and med sites on the internet say that oxalates are also formed in the body. here's one : www.healthline.com/nutrition/oxalate-good-or-bad How do you know it's exogenous oxalate and not endogenous oxalate that is the problem?
@Haleman Yes, but it was stated the problem was with people who already had bad metabolisms. That's true of a lot of things, such as protein in someone with bad kidneys. But does this happen with healthy people?
@Haleman Okay, but can you point to a study showing it's consumed (exoganous) oxalate and not body produces (endoganous) oxalate (or both together) that causes the problem?
Great and well-balanced video. Thank you, Dr. Cywes. You set facts into the right perspective.
I’ve been on a keto lifestyle for my third week now because of your insights. I have ankylosing spondylitis and digestive issues and my Dr is basically telling me my immune system is causing my symptoms. I think its only associative so I’ve decided to take a different approach. I am presently very low carb less than 20g and less than 3g of sugar with high healthy fats. Let me know your thoughts or if I’m on the right track. My prior diet was gluten, milk and egg free and very low fat. It wasn’t working out.
I might not cure you but it will definitely make a tangible positive difference
Oxalates in leafy greens don’t bother me.
Lectins in legumes don’t bother me.
Neu5GC in red meat doesn’t bother me.
A1 Casein in milk doesn’t bother me.
Phytic acid in grains don’t bother me.
We need to stop being so afraid of NATURAL foods.
Stay away from highly processed foods.
"Watch me die in a second" (imbibes coffee)....Hilarante!! Merci for the humour from France!!
De rien😁
im in ketosis , began strict carnivore diet 3 weeks ago... within days, skin breakouts, joint stiffness, itchy rash on chest ....and foot ankle swelling. i had gout 40 years ago but symtoms disappeared and bloodtests became normal on their own. i welcome oxalate dumping and will wait these discomforts out. no kidney issues and urinary is normal. thanks for the info. im weary of the fearmongers named $___y et al... but my body is adapting, weight is dropping and the threatened diagnois of insulin resistance will be averted. at 90 day will reivaluate adjust diet items, and looking for good longterm outcome🎉
My hairdresser’s sister had kidney stone, she drank green smoothies (loaded with spinach) everyday, and her doctor told her to stay off spinach. A friend of mine loved to eat almonds, and she developed kidney stone also.
As far as this guy is concerned it's all in your head.
@@anthonymarotta1238 that’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying that, if you hadn’t been on a high carb diet and had damage from that, you’d be fine eating oxalates.
Dr Sebi on yt tells which greens are anti- inflammatory.
@@s.sparkle8739 Better to discover for yourself what is inflammatory or anti-inflammatory by adding and subtracting extraneous foods from the basic beef, water, salt and fat diet. After a couple of months on a strict basic diet, you will become more sensitive and reactive to the foods that "inflame" your body and which don't. And invariably you will find they are quite different from the one's click-baited on RUclips and free blogs written in intense and crowded subcontinental "blog farm offices" trying to game the Google search algorithms, pretending to be "Western Wellness Women".
@@anthonymarotta1238not once did he say that. You didn't even listen to him.
I most 37 lbs and was eating high protein low carb ...I just passed a kidney stone, and found out I have another one on right side, 5 milmeter..in my kidney ..I never in my life had a kidney stone or have a family history of it..what do you think cashed this problem..Could it be to much animal protein..I was not eating hardly no vegetables..
You are so freaking awesome. I love a doctor that calls it as they see it!
Qualifications? Research? Examples?
I agree with every other topic he discusses except this one. Been carnivore for 5 years and yet still periodically have oxalate toxicity symptoms as described by other doctors... perfect bloodwoork but can feel really ill... no other explanation.
Oxalate can takes years to clear the system. Your body is just releasing the build up. My experience: My experience: . CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
You're not wrong, oxalates are a massive issue! Follow my page for an upcoming video about oxalates soon and let me know if you'd like access to my low oxalate meal plan
Great video so much disinformation out there about this. Thank you~
the lack of saturated fat and excess carbs in your diet, not the oxalates in your food causes your oxalic acid stones. ... In mammals, oxalate is produced during the metabolism of carbohydrates, vitamin C and certain amino acids. As a terminal metabolite, oxalate must be sequestered or excreted to maintain homeostasis. ...kidney stones are made internally not because we eat oxalates but because we eat carbs!!!
Should a person should up the fat intake on carnivore if experiencing gout? I've been carnivore 10 months & have had issues. Was keto 2 1/2 years before. I love your channel btw:)
What about mega vitamin C? Would that have the same effect as carbs?
Yes. High fat low carb moderate protein
@@robertcywes2966People who live the longest have high carbohydrate, high fiber , low protein and fat diets.
@@chrislastnam6822what actual non-epidemiological, non-manipulated by big food/sugar associations, actual studies support that claim. That has been debunked many times! Nobody knows what they ate a year ago much less their entire life. Hong Kong has the highest longevity rate and they're also the biggest consumers of red meat over every country in the world.
The question is, if you eat a human appropriate diet devoid of plants. why would I need to chelate anything extra if my body is just going to excrete it in non-crystaline form anyway if it is unnecessary?
He seems to use common sense along with good scientific data. He doesn't get wrapped up in trends. I appreciate this.
I did not hear any scientific data, are you sure that you watched the same video?
@@questionall8642says the person that believes epidiomiology is science😂
he's taking it personally and getting emotional. he's a clown
Keto is big trend. I didnt see or hear science. His assumption is that keto will cure us all
I hear you dr... its so confusing with everyone including drs..telling you eat this not that.. another will say ..no eat that not this... we are just left confused...I feel like crying...I've wasted so much money.....and I'm still confused... ( I don't eat meat... just fish)
Doc , you’re killing me . 😂 I’m an RN and I like you doc I was morbidly obese. Things have changed now for the better. I’m just overweight but still in the fight . When we start focusing on one issue, we lose focus on the whole picture. Thanks for explaining that with oxalates . Doc can you address iron anemia ? Specially with women as we are different from men and a low carb diet . Thanks .
Well... oxalates do play a role in iron as they also actually chelate iron (+2 and -2 charges)
8 months in, 63lbs down reason to start depression weight loss side effect. First month gout flare up, burning urine very cloudy, passed I am sure a few small grain like stones, now I understand why, thanks all symptoms are gone, depression very much gone however I do have my days "normal"
Doc, you and Saladino are going to have to square off and settle this, because he has plants as the source of most of the world's woes. I can barely enjoy my salads any more. I get the sense that the only diet I should every consider is cold, raw grass-fed beef liver on a plate. And keto had been working so well for me for 15 months now. 108 pounds lost, diabetes kicked into remission. Cheers.
At the moment, Dr Saladino is going after polyunsaturated fatty acids as the main culprit for today's issues and he's not so worried about carbs anymore. (At least not if you're metabolically healthy already). Dr. Cywes just posted a video today about veggies. He's giving you a free pass to consume them because "they don't count" when it comes to carbs. A CGM will prove that, too.
Great job with the diabetes management!!! That's awesome! I love hearing that! :)
John B, I agree, i read Saladino’s book yesterday and am now terrified of anything plant😡
Omg!!! I have been vegetarian for 5 yrs then convinced myself that vegetable were bad and carnivores diet was optimal. So I only eat meat now. I’m petrified of eating vegetables and now I hear that it’s ok to eat them😫 I am absolutely confused and upset about all this.
@@AnnaMariaAnia Yes it can be confusing. I've been studying nutrition & Keto for over one and a half years now. Went from 83kg to 60kg in the first 8 mths and now stable. But it will take several more years to undo the majority of the damage my body has suffered from decades of the long term lethal SAD diet. On the SAD diet after a few decades, EVERYBODY starts having their organs failing.
The thing is; there's a big difference between just eating a healthy diet, and eating a specific tailored diet with the aim to quickly recover from long term extreme volume carbohydrate consumption - and your own specific bodily damage.
The first is easier - basically a traditional human diet, healthy locally grown and raised whole foods, and leave out ALL the factory processed and factory created products and so called "foods" (e.g. veg. oils etc).
The second is much more complicated, as you need to evaluate exactly where your body is, damage wise; and then allow for those specifics with dietary choices. To understand our own health or rather in-health, we need to take on board a whole lot of nutritional education, and that's difficult to do with all the misinformation that's widely preached and taught, and believed by most people!?.
Both are annoyingly somewhat complicated however, simply because our commonly available western food supplies are swamped with unhealthy and dangerous products that no human should ever consume - all the way to literal poisons freely included. It's a mine field. But walking through it is quite doable, once you get sufficiently educated and experienced. The BIG problem is the SAD diet and all their dangerously unhealthy food products. Get off it as quickly as you can, and you already have 90% of your solution/remedy accomplished.
So my point and reason for replying is to point out that people confuse the two aims. The second IS mostly required, because most people HAVE been living on the SAD diet for multiple decades already.
A final point for further complication :), we're NOT all the same, different blood lines have adapted differently to their original local traditional diet (the human body is a VERY smart design). Such adaption "sticks" through about seven generations. So that unfortunately there is no one easy diet definition that will best suit every individual. So the process becomes an exploration, an adventure. It can be very interesting and enjoyable - a personal science experiment where you get to see (and feel) immediate results. Both good and bad! lol. Hope this helps.
amisoftau thank you very much for such a detailed reply. I do understand how we are all different and what we scam the food pyramid is. I have been educating myself for 3 yrs now and I’m super interested in nutritional science And yes I take everything with balance BUT this last video really blew me away as I honestly believed that vegetables were unnecessary and actually should be avoided! My metabolic rate is absolutely perfect but I would like to eat perfect as well....
I am going into my sixth year of keto then carnivore for 2 years. Trying to figure out why I’m getting Tartar on my teeth in the past year or so. I never used to get a Tartar build up??? Someone suggested oxalates dumping…so I’ve been researching. This makes sense…but why the new Tartar trend?
My question is how would the concentration affect us ? Like can you eat as much almonds as you can drink in almond milk ?
The typical grocery store almond milk contains a few almonds per serving, its mostly water. People generally eat far more almonds(and almond flour)than they would get in a cup of almond milk.
One thing I understood from a video I watched and listened to a couple months ago was that soaking raw almonds in clean water overnight, then draining them and letting then dry a bit before eating them does something good for them. Personally, I like to soak them so the don't break my teeth, but that's just me.
@@jb6712 soaking will get rid of SOME lectins and phytates, but very little oxalate.
We need oxalates? Being carnivore, i wont get any. How bad is it?
You’re also making us an assumption regarding nicotine. I Vape which is the best harm reduction tobacco tool ever invented. It stopped my emphysema progression. I’ve never felt better.
Even if we agree or not... The more we talk about it and study is a good thing. I see comments here who says that oxalates are horrible for them etc... Let us know so we know what fuel fuels you. Some people are very ok with high oxalates but who know how it can be in 10 years for that person... The human body is a complex machine.
So what I like about you doctor is that you bring it up. Let the debate start etc then but we have become so emotional and an attack on the person, the subjectivity rather than being objective takes over fast.
We are "relearning" how to eat normal again.
People live to eat! It's sad... We should eat to live... Like dr Berry said... Eat and go out and play.
Thank you for talking about oxalades. I'm into learning more about them. I had to bring tiny amounts back into my diet due to very very loose stool from being carnivore. Takes time, for some people, to dump them down, if those are hurting them or they want to heal something.
Complex stuff... But fascinating.
Yes, you made me think. As a victim of two kidney stones now, the second one 8 mm, both dislodged shortly after becoming fat adapted, I'm extremely concerned. Afraid even. I don't ever want to go through that again. However my carbohydrate addiction is also horrible and I'm having trouble kicking it. My urologist says the main problem with kidney stones is not drinking enough water. After watching your video, I'm inclined to agree. Water is very hard for me. if I don't put myself on a drinking schedule I will go all day and realize I drank maybe a half a cup of water--or NONE. I have to force myself to drink a half a cup of water every half hour, knowing that I will miss a bunch of them, to get in even a decent amount of water. I wonder what's wrong with my thirst mechanism.
distilled water is easy to drink alot of. try it
Ditch the oxilates
I started fasting and all my problems went away.
It turns out that food was the cause of every problem I ever had.
Is there an element of dosage making the poison?
After learning a little bit about oxalates, I decided to run a little experiment. I used to eat a couple of handfuls of almonds (dry roasted and only seasoned lightly with salt) for lunch every weekday (along with some hard cheese, and some sort of lunch-/deli-meat.
I eliminated the almonds and put hard boiled eggs in their place. In a few days, I noticed an improvement in some chronic left forearm pain. And after a few weeks of this regimen that pain is pretty much completely gone.
This was the only change I made; is there another possible explanation if it is not due to the oxalates??
You are correct. My experience: . CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
Nope, you're absolutely spot on that the oxalates caused your issues. I had so much pain when I was eating them as a staple!
@@amandakreshalove glad you found your culprit too and feeling better as a result!
Thanks for clearing that up. It’s just too much to think about 😅 nobody has time to calculate all this stuff. I’ll stick to my keto on weekends/carnivore during the week/fasting once a month rotations and call it a day. No sense in stressing over which veggie or berry has the least oxylates when I don’t even eat mass quantities of those foods anyway!
My wife gets kidney stones every couple of years. She is convinced that oxilates? are the problem.
I maintain that it's the constant carbs overloading her liver.
We're at loggerheads.
About to send her this video.
Wish me luck!
how did it go?
@@DaveGreen, the Chinese Herb, Shilintong, dissolves kidney stones like candy. I take one bottle about every year for this reason. ❤
They are one in the same. . It's a universal. CARNIVORE ONLY.. It's more like when the oxalate disease related issues show up not really if. all of a sudden you will have a disease that will spring from nowhere. We are carnivores, nothing else. I fixed 4 chronic illnesses by going carnivore. All plants are poison, built in poisons plus the pesticides. Think about it, what did humans eat BEFORE the first taste testers of plants. Meat. Plants, all plants have no b vitimins and they block vitimins and minerals. They cause. diseases. The sugars in fruits and veggies crystallize in your body and turn to glass shards and then start cutting you inside depending on where your body places the crystals. If they deposit them in your colon, colitis and chrons. If they deposit them on your brain then Lou Gerigs and Parkingsons. If they deposit on your nerves....neuropathy or multiple sclerosis. BTW, all of that is in her book. I'm reading it. I had 4 chronic illnesses and a bunch of terrible symptoms like , hang nails and brittle nails, sticky tarry bowel movements, dizziness, joint pain, etcc.... all fixed right away. They lie to us about everything. On carnivore out bodies use almost all the nutrient so there are not a lot of bowel movements like it should be. Going once a day like they teach means you are creating so much waste which leads to colon cancer and colon problems. Try the carnivore rx page on Facebook. Many people fix their illnesses on a carnivore diet. Beef has all vitimins and minerals in the correct form and amount. 1 1/2 pounds a day for women, 2 pounds for men. Problem solved. I know you will naturally doubt what I am saying, no need, because I've been there and done that.
its the oxalates