I once saw an old car in someone back yard I was young in the Teens, I asked the owner about the car he said, it ran about 1 yr ago and was parked in the yard ever since, I ask him what he wanted for the vehicle he said, How much money do you have in your pocket? I looked it was $25.00 he said, Ok! I filled the tires with Air, replaced one lug nut & a new battery and the car ran for 2 yrs then decided to sell it a student came by and asked what I wanted for the car, I said, how much money do you have in you pocket? he said, $66.00 I said, Ok! made alittle money off the deal! True story! Andrew!
I just made a RV buyers mistake purchased a 2018 Thor Outlaw from Lazydays Tampa Florida. When I got home I noticed the leveling jack attached to a bent sub-frame. When I contacted Lazydays, they said it wasn’t their problem. So in short, regardless of an RV dealers reputation, they unfortunately can & will take advantage of you and not care when you drive away....
Been there buddy. I flew from Oregon down to California last year for a County Coach that was in “pristine” condition. Flights, 70 mile uber trips, and hotel stay; all to find a coach with a huge crack in the fiberglass roof and cabinets hanging off the walls from water damage. I had to chuckle at Louis’ trip out to STL. I flew out there last month for a beautiful CC Intrigue that was perfectly maintained, in prestige condition, and carried a lot of sentimental value and love with it. When I got there, it was EXACTLY as represented. I drove it the 2200 miles home to Oregon without a single issue or hiccup. I only wish I would have recorded the journey. Keep trying brother, you’ll find your gem.
7:10 We have just under 4,000 gallons of diesel on our 76' yacht. We have to make sure we polish and treat the fuel correctly between all 5 fuel tanks and keep fuel moving around when we have some down time. You don't want to be in the middle of the pacific ocean and run into bad fuel for sure, you can't pull over and call AAA. Have to keep a very large supply of spare fuel filters as well for main engines and generators. Keep up the good work sir! 👍😁
I drove all the way to Colorado, over 1,000 miles one way to buy an RV. Walked the owner through EXACTLY what I was going to look at, and told them to check those things first on their end. They called back after "doing" the pre-inspection for me. Needless to say, I got there, it only took me less than 5 minutes to know the RV was bad news, in terrible condition with MAJOR issues. I walked away and drove home.
Someone in the comments below called the seller a "liar". A little harsh! Remember, the guy is 87 years old. People of a certain age tend to lose grip on the reality of certain situations. To him, that coach represented memories and experiences and his monetary value on the coach was skewed by his memories. It was difficult for him to see this possession referred to as junk. This is another life lesson....dealing with the very old can be like navigating in a fog....his fog. Doesn't make him a bad guy just really freaking old. Respect my friends...respect! You and I will be in his shoes ..... quickly. Life is short!
This has been a great video. People thinking about buying a coach should watch this video. You dont always get a good inspection by a professional INSPECTOR. I paid almost $300.00 for an inspection and was told it was good to go. Everything checked out good. I got about 400 miles from home and started feeling a bump in a front tire. I ask about these tires before starting out . Was told that he checked the air in every tire. Its late about 11pm and I pull over to check these tires. There is a knot on the passenger side front tire. So I go inspecting all the tires . After checking them for air I find no air in a inside rear tire. I start looking and there is a hole in the tire you could put your hand in . As you know all kind of these could have happened with that tire, it could have come off. Tearing up all kinds of things. I called GOOD SAM EMERGENCY ROAD SERVICE . It was going to be morning before I could get someone there because of where I was. This coach was only 2 years old when I purchased it with 33000 miles on it. After my trip , I go back to where I bought ut and said those tires on the coach a front tire had a knot and a rear tire had a hole in it. I looked him right in the face and said I told you that I wanted to check the air in the tires before leaving and you told me that I didn't need to because you had your guys check them all. They laughed and said Don , tell me what you hit or run over . I said nothing. Anyway , I paid for an inspection , and was told by the seller that they checked it and lied. Buyer beware. Other than that its a good coach.
This is great content Andrew! We are all learning together and pulling for you because your helping us in ways you may not have thought about. Great RUclips channel !
We are thankful for guys like you. Especially when we know little to non about motorhomes. When you think your getting a deal and winning could cost you big in the long run.
I paid $3610 titled for my 1984 lemirage that had been sitting for 20 years. I put two battery's in it and drove it home all of 3.5 miles. All Ive done so far is put a new i beam hinge in and a bay door back on. The flexsteel seats in it cost more then i paid for the bus. Its a conversion that needed wired up and finish work. All the parts in it are new and have never been used or turned on. I can handle all the work it needs. I sold a forklift I was given and had repaired to purchase the bus. Forklift had a “rod knock”. I fixed the “knock” by putting the spark plug wire leads all the way into the distributer cap. Some “technician” failed to do so when they tuned it up.
I would strongly recommend anyone planning to buy a luxury RV to spend 5% of that amount on tech classes on diesel engine maintenance and other basic mechanical stuff. Will be the best money they have ever spent. They can also do their own inspections on the spot and recognise and good (or bad) deal when they see it. Step #1: Start on the roof.
What I learned from your video is that I would rather go to a dependable dealership for a used coach then travel to an owner. Sometimes you may possibly get a good deal, but I’ll rather go to a place where I know I’m getting a good bus.
Rodents are a death sentence for a vehicle and deal. You're getting a great education at the cost of diesel, dog chow, and Andrew chow! It could always be worse man. Congrats on the consulting side and keep the videos coming brother. Be well and stay safe out there in covid land.
SO sorry about your experience! You did the right thing by walking away. I have not owned a coach just yet, but I have a lot of experience with large twin diesel boats that have often been sitting unused like you and Dave were talking about. Luxury toys often get neglected as they age. In boats, we always have the fuel polished in all tanks before taking a trip if a boat has been sitting. I don't know if they do this on coaches that have been sitting, but that eliminates many fuel related issues. I always bring a case (or two) of fuel filters with me on the first trip, even after fuel polishing because big waves at sea will shake up any sediment on the tank bottom and clog up fuel filters or worse, mess up injectors. I always use a fuel stabilizer to combat algae growth, but one huge bit of advice I would give to all coach owners especially when their coach is going to sit unused for any period of time is to always keep your fuel tanks full. The only way that moisture can get into the fuel is through the air in a tank, so if it is full of fuel, there is no room for air for moisture to get in! If it has fuel stabilizer in it, no algae. Diesel does not varnish up like gasoline does and can last many many times longer than gasoline, so I just thought you might appreciate that info. Granted, over the road diesel is ultra low sulfur and doesn't last as quite long as the red dyed diesel that we use in boats. You did the right thing by passing due to rodent damage, etc, but my point is don't be scared of a bus that has been sitting just because of the fuel system. I hope to get a late 2000's Newell P2000i (LOVE the interior woodwork, just like yacht interiors) someday to cruise on the roads during hurricane season when I cannot cruise on my boat, and I cannot thank you enough for educating us about them. The systems are eerily similar to the systems on large luxury boats, but on boats we often have two or more of everything for redundancy such as engines and generators, etc so I feel I will probably take to coaches fairly well when I do get one. Keep up the great work Andrew! Cheers!
I bought a truck with very low miles. It had maintenance records and very well taken care of. But because it was not used I had a lot of seals that had dried from no use and started to leak once I started to use it.
DO NOT FEEL BAD! The lesson learned, is beyond valuable. If you did not have to travel far, it would not be a second thought. Next time, get the owner to do a full FaceTime, LIVE walk around and full interior FaceTime, with the Coach running. Ask to have some of the very recent service records and call the shop for verification. Due diligence and a cooperative seller, offering as much preliminary assistance, before you ROAD TRIP it, is a must. People buy cars from across the country, and guess what? The car arrives in perfect condition in every way, EXCEPT it was a heavy smokers car. Good luck getting rid of that smell. You know the deal, as a detailer. Lesson learned. Experienced gained. Great content to share. Do not beat yourself up.
You’re such a wealth of knowledge, Andrew. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Sorry you went through that but, if nothing else, you got to plug your inspection service. I didn’t know that you did that so I’ll certainly think of you when I make a meaty purchase of my next, REAL RV. I don’t wanna have any issues if I’m laying down $20-50K+ Stay safe out there.
Don't rush yourself in buying something you're going to regret later the right, bus will came you'll see..And Andrew you're a gentleman for keeping cool..it's not easy..🚍
Andrew Considering your video discussion about water in fuel. Having owned a sport fishing boat with Cat diesels was that I always used a microbioside (Biobor) in the fuel. It keeps the water and algae down and a boat has a lot of down time. I never had any issues in the 23 years that I owned it. ,
A lot of sellers will lie through their teeth. We got burned on our first fifth wheel purchase. We were just too uninformed and inexperienced. Now we are considering buying a motorhome, and we have no experience to draw on. I'm glad for your content, so I can learn.
Patience is your friend Andrew. RV Trader, Ebay, FB are your friends. Plenty of options out there. Just take your time. As you know condition, history, service, maintenance, and providence of ownership. Good luck in your quest. Love your videos. I know that this is probably out of your time frame but Chris Rassmussen told you about the WOG Rally in Pine Mountain Georgia. We are attending our first this year. The online support for Bird owners is amazing.
Funny you say that it needs miles on the coach. We just bought a newmar dutchstar with very low miles and of course first few trips I got error codes. We took to freightliner and of course now idea what is wrong. Long story short we have used the coach all summer and all issues have fix themselves. Computers sometimes need to be run. So far we have put 5000 miles on it and now its running great. No repairs.
They ate the wires on the way to the toilet paper!! If I found one chewed wire on a coach then it’s game over. They don’t chew just one but they do jump around here and there when they chew.
I had the same thing happen so many times to me when I was looking for my coach. Luckily I spotted one on the side of the highway coming back from viewing a crappy Monaco. It took a lot of patience and a lot of “no thank you’s” but I definitely found my coach! I’m making a RUclips channel about it and all the renovations and tech updates as well. Called “The Extreme Gulfstream”.. i’ve only got an intro video up at the moment. But watch for lots of good stuff! 😎
I just bought an 05 Monaco Windsor 38’ with 100k miles on it for $63k. My buddy bought an 05 Dynasty 40’ with 50k miles for $95k. I think I got the better deal. Like Andrew I’m not afraid of 100k miles cuz the diesel is obviously good for thousands and thousands more miles. So if the water heater goes bad or a water pump or AC those are in the hundreds to fix not thousands. Edit: Btw I bought mine from a guy that kept meticulous records, fixed everything and it was immaculate. My buddy bought Dynasty sight unseen from a dealer and has fixed all manner of stuff including the pain in the ass Aquahot. I would not have Aquahot if they paid me.
I really, really wanted a 1998 Southwind Storm with a specific floor plan. Hard to find. Flew from LA to West Virginia. First clue that it had been misrepresented was the tags expired 3 years earlier, but the owner said that wouldn't be a problem driving it through 8 states to get it home. Per owner, all I had to do was show them my bill of sale, and they would send me on my way. Right. Once inside, it became clear the expired tags would have been the least of my problems. Second one was only 40 miles away. I met what turned out to be a broker in a gas station, and he took me to the RV, parked in an industrial area with two meth-heads living in it. They were very proud that they had finally found the last rat carcass from the fumigation. Literally couldn't get into the bedroom because of all the stuff packed in it. I asked multiple questions along the lines of, "Where are the controls for the heater," and the answer was always the same: "We have them and will put them back on. This coach will be better than new when we give it to you." Bunches of different things missing, all with the same answer. Pretty sure they were out for a sizable deposit, and I'd probably never actually get delivery. I finally bought my dream coach. Price was great and everything checked out. Except there was one fluid I didn't check, coolant. Had I tried, I would not have been able to get the radiator cap off because it was glued shut with some kind of stop-leak sealant. After paying for a head gasket replacement, the price wasn't such a good deal anymore. Oh, and it initially had problems passing smog. It had gone to the east coast where there were no emissions tests, and the cats had been gutted. It is *now* the coach of my dreams.
Andrew, I envy you so much. You seriously have my dream job. I have been infatuated with the prevost coaches ever since I learned what they were. If I see one, regardless of where I am, I have to stop and look at it. I'm sorry this happened to you as I know you would like to own a prevost. Trust me, me too. However I'm a hard working blue collar that will most likely never get that opportunity unless I hit a windfall with the lottery. Although I envy you, I wish you well and wish you luck finding one that will fit you. Good luck and thank you for getting me close to these busses through RUclips. And yes, of course I'm a follower. Your work has had its up and down and I've been there every step of the way. You're appreciated. Even by the little guys like me. Stay safe and hopefully soon, your bus will come along. Happy new year!!!
That Guy was on "American Pickers" History Chanel I Recognized The two Trailers, The Pickers had the same problem, got there and were told allot of stuff cheep and they walked away with nothing, not happy at all! So at least you were in good company, Keep up the Great Work that you Do, & Take care of that Sadey Lady Dog, she's the best a good dog
Andrew I appreciate your honesty and how you try to tell it like it is. I do not own an R V but I've learned alot from you on what to look for and possible places to buy from. I look forward to the next video.
Coach Catfishing is getting to be a serious business and shockingly RV dealerships are participating. Its straight FRAUD!!!!!!!! Something needs to be done about this.
I feel your pain, I got burn on a truck that my son wanted to buy, we did not. My father was a pilot in WW2 in the south pacific, this is what he taught me. Pilots have a check list, make up a check list that is important to you about a coach. I spent a year looking on line at coaches , before we bought. here are some of my list. looking for a one owner, garaged, up grades, miles, how old are the tires, last oil change, why are you selling it. Pictures, Pictures, Pictures 25 to 30 of them, of the odometer, invoice, your a smart guy, and know the industry. take your time and remember everyone you look at will give you a comparison, so when a good deal comes along you will know it. good luck
Yep, agreed! Pictures before you drive, and if pics are posted or supplied, always as WHEN were these pics taken. Sorry you had to go through that Andrew. Similar nonsense buying boats!
Same thing happened to me! I use to own my own AV & automation company, I was feature in a magazine a few times and did freelance articles for them. I got a call for an estimate in Manhattan for a theater. I took my construction contractor with me. It was some older, a bit eccentric, guy, who just wanted to meet me! Boy did I feel bad I dragged my contractor with me! But he was good about it! At least you only wasted your time, however, you never know what comes out of life when you explore all possibilities!
You already have a good reputation, and you just added another layer as to why you should be consulted. The truth can hurt but will always be the best path!
A Google Earth view of his address might have given you a clue on some of the hoarder issues and general condition of the property. I've used this technique before and it can yield good results.
Andrew I went to Holland, Michigan to buy a monaco executive from a tire dealer. All tires with a different date code. Should of been a flag but the low miles still had me. Then I showed up and the coach was leaning west. Slide stalled while going out. Should of been another clue but the interior was nice. You got to interpret questions and NOT let emotions get involved especially with today inflated prices.
Good call on that bus bro. I know it hurts to go out and be for nothing. But you already understand that your fortunate and that i sy our saving grace. You will find something you like. :)
DOH! From the very short video you showed us of his place... I would have turned around and ran for it, but I guess you did the right thing and made an "experience" out of it.
No insult intended. How come you did not get pic's over the phone. Even if he was older I would have told him to get someone if he was super serious. Still love your channel and content. Keep doing what your doing.
It is always a surprise is it not? Life every day for it's ups and downs...and getting an inspection from someone the dealer does not know..if doing it from far away...that takes research too..how to even find them,,there is so much involved..you will find it when you are to find it..be well..and your trajectory and what you are doing will bring you right to it.
two days ago we went to look at a used rv. Online it looked great and we were enthusiastic about seeing it. Well, first thing we noted were mice/rat feces on the floor and signs of rodent damage to the mattress on the bunk above the cockpit. Then noticed water damage in the bedroom that was mostly pointed out to us by the salesman. He then stated he had never looked at the rv himself but that he could not recommend buying that rv to us or anybody. Rare honesty in the rv sales business. We did a hard pass, haven't bought anything yet but we will remember this guy and hopefully do business with him in the future. They only had one other rv in our price range so no sale now but possibly in the future.
Kinda had the same experience with an RV our first one. Drove eight hours to look at a friends brothers RV. It’s was a of junk. Told him we would go grab lunch and discuss it as a family and get back to him. Not..
Wow sorry to hear that Andrew. Next time have somebody walk around it with a camera do a virtual. I FaceTime with the owner for about an hour. That's what I did with mine. It's not like seeing it hands on but it will give you a good idea whether you should continue any further with it. We live and learn.
I'm not sure why you would travel that far without having some recent video's taken from the seller. I realize he's elderly but you could have asked him to have a relative or friend shoot some videos. I wish you would have shown us some of the photos of the bus, it's always nice to put pictures to the story. Thank you for the helpful information especially with the rodents when looking for a bus..
I once bought a 1968 corvette for a thousand bucks from a gal who was getting divorced. It was her husband's pride and joy and she just wanted it out of her sight. It was a 25k vehicle at the time.
Did you not see pics of it before you traveled that many miles Andrew? If I’m traveling over 100 miles then I’m not getting in the truck or on a plane to go look at it till I’ve seen pics of exterior all 4 sides, engine pic, interior pics, and maybe the bays. You can find out a ton of info right there. If they are not willing to send me some quick pics, then again, it’s game over. If it’s a cream puff as they indicate then they should be proud to send you some pics without hesitation, especially on a $75,000 coach. If they use the excuse that they are old and don’t know how , suggest a neighbor, or son/daughter or grandchild. Someone can come do it before you travel 500 miles or so. I’m surprised you didn’t do a few short clips or pics tho. I think that was a bit of a missed opportunity for many of your viewers that really don’t know what to look for on some of these older coaches. It would have at least been great info to show them that if you see these signs, then run for the hills. Sorry it happened, but it does happen more than you think where folks think their coach/car/house is so much better than it truly is and they are in denial. Sweep it under the rug and start looking for the next one now.
It's amazing how people will represent something they are selling. Looked at a camper. I asked what kind of repairs and wear and does it have / need. Nothing, like new. I go and look, literally has a hole rotted in the ceiling with daylight. I asked several times about the condition and told them I was driving 2.5 hrs to go look. When I saw the hole, I was so pissed I just got in the car and left. Didn't say anything. They started texting me they could negotiate on price, then they said if I expected perfection I should look at new. Lol or you could say there is a fucking hole in the roof the size of a dinner plate!
I once looked at a class c ... The guy said it's in great condition... Runs and drives great... Buy it and drive it anywhere... It had oil on the dip stick that smelled like gasoline... So much water damage from roof leaks and the walls had bad delamination... Soft spots in the floor... But he said he would jump start it .. and I could drive it around the block if I gave him a $500 deposit.. Ha.!! I Just Left... I didn't say anything.. Just left him standing there .. I believe he actually convinced himself that he had a good class c. ... It was junk .. I bet the scrap yard would buy it for 300 bucks .
I would suggest if a seller says his expertly-maintained coach could travel across the country tomorrow, offer to pay them to do that to deliver it to you! That would separate the wheat from the chaff in two seconds.
One thing I was thinking at lunch time. That I wanted to say was. Always worth a Facetime Video Walkthrough from the seller to give u a thurall ideal of what it looks like. Pics can go so far but a video and start up I think that would be worth it for sure.
The guy was 87 and I couldn't get anything out of him. I was thinking that was an advantage as a buyer because no other buyers could get the real story without doing the legwork. so I did the legwork and took the gamble...
Andrew, buddy, please stand still while you’re talking on camera. Your pacing back and forth is really distracting. I enjoy your content. But, your pacing makes me crazy!
Andrew the question you should of ask was to me. I'm in NJ and it would be 'can you go check out this RV for me'. Dead serious. That bus might be worth a few grand as long as it will drive to the junk yard
Well he was 87 years old Andrew said. That would have been a huge RED flag for me. Probably couldnt do much traveling or maintenance at that point. Just saying. Thanks for atleast hearing the mans storytelling that was prob worth the trip all in its self. Peace light n love😀💥
Man, I got comply faked out over a Airstream. Good for you. Now head to Pine Mountain GA and look at some Wanderlodges. The rally starts the 10th. I can give you the # of the President of the club. Some of the mid to late 00s are awesome. Be some for sale for sure
LOL, Christopher, I just posted a recommendation for Bluebirds. I've mentioned them before to Andrew as well but I totally forgot about Pine Mtn. Sweetie and I want to go some year but Co-vid is preventing the borders for us this year. Anyway, keep after him to at least take a look at them. So glad I own a Bluebird. I'll bet you are as well. Cheers. Maybe see you at Quartzite some year.
Cam McLean I’m out this year for the same reason. We have health issues. We cannot afford to get sick at all. We both just retired and had big plans too. We were at Pine Mtn last year too.
Andrew where in Pa did you go. Wish I knew if it was close I would of loved to come and buy you some dinner and chat about the channel. Keep up the great work love your content brother. I live in Northeast Pa. if your ever back this way let me know.
Andrew - sorry for this experience but we all grow through them. Maybe get them to do a video walkthrough of the coach for you as a first step next time.
Bummer sorry to hear about that man I know there are companies out there that will check out cars for you purchased on ebay motors ect to do inspection on them. Much cheaper route especially on high end coaches for sure that. Someone needs to start up a company that has a network of inspectors that can inspect these coaches anywhere in the US for a flat fee
The seller should know better then to mess with a Real Deal RUclips Prevost Bus/RV Guy like you ! Rodents like the older colored wires because they have food coloring in them,especially the Red ones.. Red Wires are very tasty ! Orrrr so I'm told lol. I learned the rodent color preference on a vintage Jaguar I had in storage , they can do some damage , i flew from NC to AR to get my Blue Bird a few years ago and thankfully i got a great Bus ! good luck in your search, that's half the fun Brother !
I once saw an old car in someone back yard I was young in the Teens, I asked the owner about the car he said, it ran about 1 yr ago and was parked in the yard ever since, I ask him what he wanted for the vehicle he said, How much money do you have in your pocket? I looked it was $25.00 he said, Ok! I filled the tires with Air, replaced one lug nut & a new battery and the car ran for 2 yrs then decided to sell it a student came by and asked what I wanted for the car, I said, how much money do you have in you pocket? he said, $66.00 I said, Ok! made alittle money off the deal! True story! Andrew!
I like that story - more than doubled your money after a few years. Nice way to pay it forward.
Great story... paying it forward
That’s cool!
Awesome job John good story
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I just made a RV buyers mistake purchased a 2018 Thor Outlaw from Lazydays Tampa Florida. When I got home I noticed the leveling jack attached to a bent sub-frame. When I contacted Lazydays, they said it wasn’t their problem. So in short, regardless of an RV dealers reputation, they unfortunately can & will take advantage of you and not care when you drive away....
sorry to hear that
It's classy that you spent time with the man and listened to him.
Been there buddy. I flew from Oregon down to California last year for a County Coach that was in “pristine” condition. Flights, 70 mile uber trips, and hotel stay; all to find a coach with a huge crack in the fiberglass roof and cabinets hanging off the walls from water damage. I had to chuckle at Louis’ trip out to STL. I flew out there last month for a beautiful CC Intrigue that was perfectly maintained, in prestige condition, and carried a lot of sentimental value and love with it. When I got there, it was EXACTLY as represented. I drove it the 2200 miles home to Oregon without a single issue or hiccup. I only wish I would have recorded the journey. Keep trying brother, you’ll find your gem.
7:10 We have just under 4,000 gallons of diesel on our 76' yacht. We have to make sure we polish and treat the fuel correctly between all 5 fuel tanks and keep fuel moving around when we have some down time. You don't want to be in the middle of the pacific ocean and run into bad fuel for sure, you can't pull over and call AAA. Have to keep a very large supply of spare fuel filters as well for main engines and generators. Keep up the good work sir! 👍😁
I drove all the way to Colorado, over 1,000 miles one way to buy an RV. Walked the owner through EXACTLY what I was going to look at, and told them to check those things first on their end. They called back after "doing" the pre-inspection for me. Needless to say, I got there, it only took me less than 5 minutes to know the RV was bad news, in terrible condition with MAJOR issues. I walked away and drove home.
Someone in the comments below called the seller a "liar". A little harsh! Remember, the guy is 87 years old. People of a certain age tend to lose grip on the reality of certain situations. To him, that coach represented memories and experiences and his monetary value on the coach was skewed by his memories. It was difficult for him to see this possession referred to as junk. This is another life lesson....dealing with the very old can be like navigating in a fog....his fog. Doesn't make him a bad guy just really freaking old. Respect my friends...respect! You and I will be in his shoes ..... quickly. Life is short!
He was foggy but he definitely bent the truth...
This has been a great video. People thinking about buying a coach should watch this video.
You dont always get a good inspection by a professional INSPECTOR. I paid almost $300.00 for an inspection and was told it was good to go. Everything checked out good. I got about 400 miles from home and started feeling a bump in a front tire. I ask about these tires before starting out . Was told that he checked the air in every tire. Its late about 11pm and I pull over to check these tires. There is a knot on the passenger side front tire. So I go inspecting all the tires . After checking them for air I find no air in a inside rear tire. I start looking and there is a hole in the tire you could put your hand in . As you know all kind of these could have happened with that tire, it could have come off. Tearing up all kinds of things. I called GOOD SAM EMERGENCY ROAD SERVICE . It was going to be morning before I could get someone there because of where I was. This coach was only 2 years old when I purchased it with 33000 miles on it. After my trip , I go back to where I bought ut and said those tires on the coach a front tire had a knot and a rear tire had a hole in it. I looked him right in the face and said I told you that I wanted to check the air in the tires before leaving and you told me that I didn't need to because you had your guys check them all. They laughed and said Don , tell me what you hit or run over . I said nothing. Anyway , I paid for an inspection , and was told by the seller that they checked it and lied. Buyer beware. Other than that its a good coach.
It sounds like the Inspector was connected to the seller.
This is great content Andrew! We are all learning together and pulling for you because your helping us in ways you may not have thought about. Great RUclips channel !
I'm sorry that this happened to you. At least you were able to use as a learning experience. For you and us as well
Thanks Andrew
We are thankful for guys like you. Especially when we know little to non about motorhomes. When you think your getting a deal and winning could cost you big in the long run.
I paid $3610 titled for my 1984 lemirage that had been sitting for 20 years. I put two battery's in it and drove it home all of 3.5 miles. All Ive done so far is put a new i beam hinge in and a bay door back on. The flexsteel seats in it cost more then i paid for the bus. Its a conversion that needed wired up and finish work. All the parts in it are new and have never been used or turned on. I can handle all the work it needs. I sold a forklift I was given and had repaired to purchase the bus. Forklift had a “rod knock”. I fixed the “knock” by putting the spark plug wire leads all the way into the distributer cap. Some “technician” failed to do so when they tuned it up.
I would strongly recommend anyone planning to buy a luxury RV to spend 5% of that amount on tech classes on diesel engine maintenance and other basic mechanical stuff. Will be the best money they have ever spent. They can also do their own inspections on the spot and recognise and good (or bad) deal when they see it. Step #1: Start on the roof.
Sometimes the best move is to WALK AWAY!
Andrew, I am so sorry this happened to you and that you have no problem of saying no to this coach, the right one will come along for you !
Worth the trip Andrew...FINALLY u r getting to the best and no one knows better then you!!!!!...keep it up.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I think this is the most common occurrence for coaches. We all have a story
What I learned from your video is that I would rather go to a dependable dealership for a used coach then travel to an owner. Sometimes you may possibly get a good deal, but I’ll rather go to a place where I know I’m getting a good bus.
You have the right kind of character. . .how you handled that fella was great! You will find your Coach! Hang in there!
Rodents are a death sentence for a vehicle and deal. You're getting a great education at the cost of diesel, dog chow, and Andrew chow! It could always be worse man. Congrats on the consulting side and keep the videos coming brother. Be well and stay safe out there in covid land.
SO sorry about your experience! You did the right thing by walking away. I have not owned a coach just yet, but I have a lot of experience with large twin diesel boats that have often been sitting unused like you and Dave were talking about. Luxury toys often get neglected as they age. In boats, we always have the fuel polished in all tanks before taking a trip if a boat has been sitting. I don't know if they do this on coaches that have been sitting, but that eliminates many fuel related issues. I always bring a case (or two) of fuel filters with me on the first trip, even after fuel polishing because big waves at sea will shake up any sediment on the tank bottom and clog up fuel filters or worse, mess up injectors. I always use a fuel stabilizer to combat algae growth, but one huge bit of advice I would give to all coach owners especially when their coach is going to sit unused for any period of time is to always keep your fuel tanks full. The only way that moisture can get into the fuel is through the air in a tank, so if it is full of fuel, there is no room for air for moisture to get in! If it has fuel stabilizer in it, no algae. Diesel does not varnish up like gasoline does and can last many many times longer than gasoline, so I just thought you might appreciate that info. Granted, over the road diesel is ultra low sulfur and doesn't last as quite long as the red dyed diesel that we use in boats. You did the right thing by passing due to rodent damage, etc, but my point is don't be scared of a bus that has been sitting just because of the fuel system.
I hope to get a late 2000's Newell P2000i (LOVE the interior woodwork, just like yacht interiors) someday to cruise on the roads during hurricane season when I cannot cruise on my boat, and I cannot thank you enough for educating us about them. The systems are eerily similar to the systems on large luxury boats, but on boats we often have two or more of everything for redundancy such as engines and generators, etc so I feel I will probably take to coaches fairly well when I do get one.
Keep up the great work Andrew! Cheers!
I bought a truck with very low miles. It had maintenance records and very well taken care of. But because it was not used I had a lot of seals that had dried from no use and started to leak once I started to use it.
Andrew, you are a true gentleman. A big thank you to your parents for raising an intelligent respectful person. You are a treasure!
DO NOT FEEL BAD! The lesson learned, is beyond valuable. If you did not have to travel far, it would not be a second thought. Next time, get the owner to do a full FaceTime, LIVE walk around and full interior FaceTime, with the Coach running. Ask to have some of the very recent service records and call the shop for verification. Due diligence and a cooperative seller, offering as much preliminary assistance, before you ROAD TRIP it, is a must. People buy cars from across the country, and guess what? The car arrives in perfect condition in every way, EXCEPT it was a heavy smokers car. Good luck getting rid of that smell. You know the deal, as a detailer. Lesson learned. Experienced gained. Great content to share. Do not beat yourself up.
Great insight Andrew and best advice on getting an inspection.
Thanks so much for this video! A lot of wisdom if people will hear it. I'm praying you find the perfect coach that'll serve you for many years.
Thank you!!! 🙏🙏🙏
You’re such a wealth of knowledge, Andrew. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Sorry you went through that but, if nothing else, you got to plug your inspection service. I didn’t know that you did that so I’ll certainly think of you when I make a meaty purchase of my next, REAL RV. I don’t wanna have any issues if I’m laying down $20-50K+ Stay safe out there.
Don't rush yourself in buying something you're going to regret later the right, bus will came you'll see..And Andrew you're a gentleman for keeping cool..it's not easy..🚍
Andrew
Considering your video discussion about water in fuel. Having owned a sport fishing boat with Cat diesels was that I always used a microbioside (Biobor) in the fuel. It keeps the water and algae down and a boat has a lot of down time. I never had any issues in the 23 years that I owned it.
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A lot of sellers will lie through their teeth. We got burned on our first fifth wheel purchase. We were just too uninformed and inexperienced. Now we are considering buying a motorhome, and we have no experience to draw on. I'm glad for your content, so I can learn.
Patience is your friend Andrew. RV Trader, Ebay, FB are your friends. Plenty of options out there. Just take your time. As you know condition, history, service, maintenance, and providence of ownership. Good luck in your quest. Love your videos. I know that this is probably out of your time frame but Chris Rassmussen told you about the WOG Rally in Pine Mountain Georgia. We are attending our first this year. The online support for Bird owners is amazing.
Funny you say that it needs miles on the coach. We just bought a newmar dutchstar with very low miles and of course first few trips I got error codes. We took to freightliner and of course now idea what is wrong. Long story short we have used the coach all summer and all issues have fix themselves. Computers sometimes need to be run. So far we have put 5000 miles on it and now its running great. No repairs.
Andrew, thank you for that wonderful lesson !
"THE RODENTS ATE THE TOLIET PAPER THEY DIDNT EAT THE WIRE" LOL!
They ate the wires on the way to the toilet paper!! If I found one chewed wire on a coach then it’s game over. They don’t chew just one but they do jump around here and there when they chew.
I had the same thing happen so many times to me when I was looking for my coach. Luckily I spotted one on the side of the highway coming back from viewing a crappy Monaco. It took a lot of patience and a lot of “no thank you’s” but I definitely found my coach! I’m making a RUclips channel about it and all the renovations and tech updates as well. Called “The Extreme Gulfstream”.. i’ve only got an intro video up at the moment. But watch for lots of good stuff! 😎
I just bought an 05 Monaco Windsor 38’ with 100k miles on it for $63k. My buddy bought an 05 Dynasty 40’ with 50k miles for $95k. I think I got the better deal. Like Andrew I’m not afraid of 100k miles cuz the diesel is obviously good for thousands and thousands more miles. So if the water heater goes bad or a water pump or AC those are in the hundreds to fix not thousands.
Edit: Btw I bought mine from a guy that kept meticulous records, fixed everything and it was immaculate. My buddy bought Dynasty sight unseen from a dealer and has fixed all manner of stuff including the pain in the ass Aquahot. I would not have Aquahot if they paid me.
I really, really wanted a 1998 Southwind Storm with a specific floor plan. Hard to find. Flew from LA to West Virginia. First clue that it had been misrepresented was the tags expired 3 years earlier, but the owner said that wouldn't be a problem driving it through 8 states to get it home. Per owner, all I had to do was show them my bill of sale, and they would send me on my way. Right. Once inside, it became clear the expired tags would have been the least of my problems.
Second one was only 40 miles away. I met what turned out to be a broker in a gas station, and he took me to the RV, parked in an industrial area with two meth-heads living in it. They were very proud that they had finally found the last rat carcass from the fumigation. Literally couldn't get into the bedroom because of all the stuff packed in it. I asked multiple questions along the lines of, "Where are the controls for the heater," and the answer was always the same: "We have them and will put them back on. This coach will be better than new when we give it to you." Bunches of different things missing, all with the same answer. Pretty sure they were out for a sizable deposit, and I'd probably never actually get delivery.
I finally bought my dream coach. Price was great and everything checked out. Except there was one fluid I didn't check, coolant. Had I tried, I would not have been able to get the radiator cap off because it was glued shut with some kind of stop-leak sealant. After paying for a head gasket replacement, the price wasn't such a good deal anymore. Oh, and it initially had problems passing smog. It had gone to the east coast where there were no emissions tests, and the cats had been gutted. It is *now* the coach of my dreams.
Andrew, I envy you so much. You seriously have my dream job. I have been infatuated with the prevost coaches ever since I learned what they were. If I see one, regardless of where I am, I have to stop and look at it.
I'm sorry this happened to you as I know you would like to own a prevost. Trust me, me too. However I'm a hard working blue collar that will most likely never get that opportunity unless I hit a windfall with the lottery.
Although I envy you, I wish you well and wish you luck finding one that will fit you.
Good luck and thank you for getting me close to these busses through RUclips. And yes, of course I'm a follower. Your work has had its up and down and I've been there every step of the way.
You're appreciated. Even by the little guys like me.
Stay safe and hopefully soon, your bus will come along.
Happy new year!!!
Thanks Big Mike!
That Guy was on "American Pickers" History Chanel I Recognized The two Trailers, The Pickers had the same problem, got there and were told allot of stuff cheep and they walked away with nothing, not happy at all! So at least you were in good company, Keep up the Great Work that you Do, & Take care of that Sadey Lady Dog, she's the best a good dog
Man I'd love to find that episode!
Yes I totally understand that been down that road. On a RV Chase that just sucks... Keep On Truckin good luck thank you for sharing👍🏼👍🏼✌🏼✌🏼
Andrew I appreciate your honesty and how you try to tell it like it is. I do not own an R V but I've learned alot from you on what to look for and possible places to buy from. I look forward to the next video.
Coach Catfishing is getting to be a serious business and shockingly RV dealerships are participating. Its straight FRAUD!!!!!!!! Something needs to be done about this.
I feel your pain, I got burn on a truck that my son wanted to buy, we did not. My father was a pilot in WW2 in the south pacific, this is what he taught me. Pilots have a check list, make up a check list that is important to you about a coach. I spent a year looking on line at coaches , before we bought. here are some of my list. looking for a one owner, garaged, up grades, miles, how old are the tires, last oil change, why are you selling it. Pictures, Pictures, Pictures 25 to 30 of them, of the odometer, invoice, your a smart guy, and know the industry. take your time and remember everyone you look at will give you a comparison, so when a good deal comes along you will know it. good luck
Yep, agreed! Pictures before you drive, and if pics are posted or supplied, always as WHEN were these pics taken. Sorry you had to go through that Andrew. Similar nonsense buying boats!
Same thing happened to me! I use to own my own AV & automation company, I was feature in a magazine a few times and did freelance articles for them. I got a call for an estimate in Manhattan for a theater. I took my construction contractor with me. It was some older, a bit eccentric, guy, who just wanted to meet me! Boy did I feel bad I dragged my contractor with me! But he was good about it! At least you only wasted your time, however, you never know what comes out of life when you explore all possibilities!
Thanks for making this video. I will hire you when I make a purchase!
You already have a good reputation, and you just added another layer as to why you should be consulted. The truth can hurt but will always be the best path!
Andrew this is why I watch your chanel
As you said, “If that is the worst thing that happened...” On my way tomorrow to look at one, provident timing on the video for my trip.
A Google Earth view of his address might have given you a clue on some of the hoarder issues and general condition of the property. I've used this technique before and it can yield good results.
This guy and his buddy never did any homework or used technology. It could have been simple.
This guy is goofy and not very clever.
Wow that's a bummer. I'm looking at the xl2 and I'll take my time thanks to your info. Good luck
Andrew
I went to Holland, Michigan to buy a monaco executive from a tire dealer. All tires with a different date code. Should of been a flag but the low miles still had me. Then I showed up and the coach was leaning west. Slide stalled while going out. Should of been another clue but the interior was nice. You got to interpret questions and NOT let emotions get involved especially with today inflated prices.
The hunt is were the fun is....and the characters....and the stories.
Absolutely
Good call on that bus bro. I know it hurts to go out and be for nothing. But you already understand that your fortunate and that i sy our saving grace. You will find something you like. :)
Good instincts man! Glad you walked away.
Keep looking for one don’t give up just yet
DOH! From the very short video you showed us of his place... I would have turned around and ran for it, but I guess you did the right thing and made an "experience" out of it.
No insult intended. How come you did not get pic's over the phone. Even if he was older I would have told him to get someone if he was super serious.
Still love your channel and content. Keep doing what your doing.
I wouldnt have driven an hour without pics
That was exactly my question including the no insult intended. Thanks for asking
Good luck hope all works out for you 🦅🇺🇸🦅
Yeah, be patience, Andrew and finds the right coach!😄
It sounds like You made right choice to bad we didn't see a video or pictures of the couch
I hear you, the old man had me so wore down that I was ready to get the heck out of there. Will try to make sure to grab photos in the future
Have your pal Kyle source and renovate a bus for you you'll be dollars ahead in the long run.
Great idea!
It is always a surprise is it not? Life every day for it's ups and downs...and getting an inspection from someone the dealer does not know..if doing it from far away...that takes research too..how to even find them,,there is so much involved..you will find it when you are to find it..be well..and your trajectory and what you are doing will bring you right to it.
You are exactly right about purchasing a bus that has been used than low mileage. Ive been down that road. Keep up the good info vids.
two days ago we went to look at a used rv. Online it looked great and we were enthusiastic about seeing it. Well, first thing we noted were mice/rat feces on the floor and signs of rodent damage to the mattress on the bunk above the cockpit. Then noticed water damage in the bedroom that was mostly pointed out to us by the salesman. He then stated he had never looked at the rv himself but that he could not recommend buying that rv to us or anybody. Rare honesty in the rv sales business. We did a hard pass, haven't bought anything yet but we will remember this guy and hopefully do business with him in the future. They only had one other rv in our price range so no sale now but possibly in the future.
Kinda had the same experience with an RV our first one. Drove eight hours to look at a friends brothers RV. It’s was a of junk. Told him we would go grab lunch and discuss it as a family and get back to him. Not..
Dude. Sorry to hear this. Bummer. I'm excited to see what you end up with!
Wow sorry to hear that Andrew. Next time have somebody walk around it with a camera do a virtual. I FaceTime with the owner for about an hour. That's what I did with mine. It's not like seeing it hands on but it will give you a good idea whether you should continue any further with it. We live and learn.
I'm not sure why you would travel that far without having some recent video's taken from the seller. I realize he's elderly but you could have asked him to have a relative or friend shoot some videos. I wish you would have shown us some of the photos of the bus, it's always nice to put pictures to the story. Thank you for the helpful information especially with the rodents when looking for a bus..
It makes me wonder if Andrew didn't just make up a filler story, I may be way off base, but surely he would ask for videos of bus before departure
I once bought a 1968 corvette for a thousand bucks from a gal who was getting divorced. It was her husband's pride and joy and she just wanted it out of her sight. It was a 25k vehicle at the time.
Wow! I think you did a smart thing by WALKING AWAY!!
Did you not see pics of it before you traveled that many miles Andrew? If I’m traveling over 100 miles then I’m not getting in the truck or on a plane to go look at it till I’ve seen pics of exterior all 4 sides, engine pic, interior pics, and maybe the bays. You can find out a ton of info right there. If they are not willing to send me some quick pics, then again, it’s game over. If it’s a cream puff as they indicate then they should be proud to send you some pics without hesitation, especially on a $75,000 coach. If they use the excuse that they are old and don’t know how , suggest a neighbor, or son/daughter or grandchild. Someone can come do it before you travel 500 miles or so.
I’m surprised you didn’t do a few short clips or pics tho. I think that was a bit of a missed opportunity for many of your viewers that really don’t know what to look for on some of these older coaches. It would have at least been great info to show them that if you see these signs, then run for the hills.
Sorry it happened, but it does happen more than you think where folks think their coach/car/house is so much better than it truly is and they are in denial. Sweep it under the rug and start looking for the next one now.
It's amazing how people will represent something they are selling. Looked at a camper. I asked what kind of repairs and wear and does it have / need. Nothing, like new. I go and look, literally has a hole rotted in the ceiling with daylight. I asked several times about the condition and told them I was driving 2.5 hrs to go look. When I saw the hole, I was so pissed I just got in the car and left. Didn't say anything. They started texting me they could negotiate on price, then they said if I expected perfection I should look at new. Lol or you could say there is a fucking hole in the roof the size of a dinner plate!
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All I could do is count how many times you walked back and forth...lol....great content as always though
BUYING AN RV is no different than BUYING Your HOME. This is your home. So INSPECTION is 100% right. Always get a real INSPECTION by a professional
*Andrew, words well spoken*
I once looked at a class c ... The guy said it's in great condition... Runs and drives great... Buy it and drive it anywhere...
It had oil on the dip stick that smelled like gasoline... So much water damage from roof leaks and the walls had bad delamination... Soft spots in the floor...
But he said he would jump start it .. and I could drive it around the block if I gave him a $500 deposit..
Ha.!!
I Just Left... I didn't say anything..
Just left him standing there ..
I believe he actually convinced himself that he had a good class c. ... It was junk .. I bet the scrap yard would buy it for 300 bucks .
Invaluable insightful advice! Take Care
Wowsa Andrew.... so sad bro - Sorry that all happened dude!
I would suggest if a seller says his expertly-maintained coach could travel across the country tomorrow, offer to pay them to do that to deliver it to you! That would separate the wheat from the chaff in two seconds.
One thing I was thinking at lunch time. That I wanted to say was. Always worth a Facetime Video Walkthrough from the seller to give u a thurall ideal of what it looks like. Pics can go so far but a video and start up I think that would be worth it for sure.
The guy was 87 and I couldn't get anything out of him. I was thinking that was an advantage as a buyer because no other buyers could get the real story without doing the legwork. so I did the legwork and took the gamble...
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele ya that is true never know when u might get a Barn Find Prestine Coach that is true.
Andrew, buddy, please stand still while you’re talking on camera. Your pacing back and forth is really distracting. I enjoy your content. But, your pacing makes me crazy!
A.D.D. am i right
@@nekkidfiddler5861 Might be snipers in the area lol...Just kidding..
moving target is harder to hit. just keep the movements random and you're good....
Bruh what are you walking around for? Find a good frame and stand the f* still
Try just listening whilst looking away
Andrew the question you should of ask was to me. I'm in NJ and it would be 'can you go check out this RV for me'. Dead serious. That bus might be worth a few grand as long as it will drive to the junk yard
As long as your money is in your pocket life is good!!!
True story!!
Blows my mind that some one with a rig like that wouldn't care for it.
Well he was 87 years old Andrew said. That would have been a huge RED flag for me. Probably couldnt do much traveling or maintenance at that point. Just saying. Thanks for atleast hearing the mans storytelling that was prob worth the trip all in its self. Peace light n love😀💥
Man, I got comply faked out over a Airstream. Good for you. Now head to Pine Mountain GA and look at some Wanderlodges. The rally starts the 10th. I can give you the # of the President of the club. Some of the mid to late 00s are awesome. Be some for sale for sure
Please shoot me an email ansautodetail@gmail.com I may swing through there.
LOL, Christopher, I just posted a recommendation for Bluebirds. I've mentioned them before to Andrew as well but I totally forgot about Pine Mtn. Sweetie and I want to go some year but Co-vid is preventing the borders for us this year. Anyway, keep after him to at least take a look at them. So glad I own a Bluebird. I'll bet you are as well. Cheers. Maybe see you at Quartzite some year.
Cam McLean I’m out this year for the same reason. We have health issues. We cannot afford to get sick at all. We both just retired and had big plans too. We were at Pine Mtn last year too.
Sir.,can You,please, shot #for me also? baterflybbug @gmail.com.
Thank You for Your time and ideas 🙏🏻❤️
RVing with Andrew Steele check your email
Rodent damage is not like tracking a tornado...it's like a fart in a windstorm! My Dad used to tell me that.
Dang that suks. Sorry buddy but as you said, it can always be worse. Good attitude. 👍🏿
Always inspect a coach personally and have a professional inspector check it out.
Andrew where in Pa did you go. Wish I knew if it was close I would of loved to come and buy you some dinner and chat about the channel. Keep up the great work love your content brother. I live in Northeast Pa. if your ever back this way let me know.
Great info...
Thanks.. city driver in vegas.. errr coach operator..... lobe your stuff man
Dude, I think Featherlite, Liberty, and Marathon should give you a new coach for a period of time where you do in-depth reviews, tour the country etc.
haha I wish
Check out motorhomes of Texas, southeast of Dallas. Great selection across rom Foretravel factory.
Great advice thanks for sharing your thoughts
Andrew - sorry for this experience but we all grow through them. Maybe get them to do a video walkthrough of the coach for you as a first step next time.
he is 87 and not technically inclined
RVing with Andrew Steele - Sure, not a great situation. Good luck in New Jersey :-)
at least you were traveling in style
Bummer sorry to hear about that man I know there are companies out there that will check out cars for you purchased on ebay motors ect to do inspection on them. Much cheaper route especially on high end coaches for sure that. Someone needs to start up a company that has a network of inspectors that can inspect these coaches anywhere in the US for a flat fee
There are so many variables with RV's that it would be a very expensive flat fee...
GREAT video, Andrew. thanks
Thanks Andrew...some good purchasing advice in this video.
In a Dessel truck there is a liquid you add to the fuel that eats the algae and then if possible you drain the fuel and add Clean fuel
The second Minivan belonged to my step daughter... lol.. I won't admit to what we found in when using it once. (ewww)
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The seller should know better then to mess with a Real Deal RUclips Prevost Bus/RV Guy like you ! Rodents like the older colored wires because they have food coloring in them,especially the Red ones.. Red Wires are very tasty ! Orrrr so I'm told lol. I learned the rodent color preference on a vintage Jaguar I had in storage , they can do some damage , i flew from NC to AR to get my Blue Bird a few years ago and thankfully i got a great Bus ! good luck in your search, that's half the fun Brother !