Barely even noticed the extra time honestly as I really enjoyed the entire thing, time flies when you're having fun as they say. Thanks V ntn guy's🇺🇸. Oh I forgot to mention btw yeah, my Savage Axis in 3006, she's definitely a tight group'n tack drivin(in 30.06 perhaps more like 6 penny nail driver lol) sweetheart, & of course I've set my adjustable accutrigger trigger to about 2lb. Can't beat these imo for the $... Or more $ for that matter, chrome won't bring the meat home.
Best lower price point/ entry level price gun I ever shot was a Marlin xl7. This was long before $700 being budget. Not $700 but I grabbed a Winchester model 70 for $849 new on the shelf and have been extremely glad I did!
He mentioned several times likening both the Howa 1500 and Weatherby Vanguard…I believe he said realistically they couldn’t get them all at the same time or logistically include them all on the table
I got a howa 1500 hogue stock in 6.5 creedmore and it is a great accurate rife for around $600. My buddy has a $1500 6.5 and he has tried buying mine from me as he likes it better. Howa is a great budget rifle
I bought 3 Weatherby Vanguard rifles in 308, 223 and 30.06 (same as Howa) for 200usd each.. What a bargain! That price is insane for the Norwegian market...
I don’t usually have a whole lot to say, but in this case I wanted to point out a few things. Not being critical of you guys, I think you do a great job and it’s tough when you have all that in front of you to cover, easy to miss little things. Here goes… First, RIP Marlin X7 (XS7 and XL7) rifles. Worst thing Remington did to Marlin when they bought them out, so as to not compete with their own Remington branded budget rifle, which was worse. Maybe under Ruger’s leadership we could see a resurrection of the X7 rifles. I think there’s room…slot it in right in between the American and Hawkeye price points…so make it slightly nicer/more expensive than an American but less expensive than a Hawkeye. Second, a Remington 783 does exist. New owner Rem Arms has started making 783’s again, both full-size and compact. So if you’re a fan you can once again own a 783. On the Franchi I think you guys nailed it. The only things I would add are that it is a European rifle so length of pull is quite long at around 14” with no way to change it. The bolt gets more smooth once you clean the factory preservation oil or whatever off of it. The sling attachment points are kind of annoying. I had a Momentum Elite and the only sling I could get to attach and work correctly was a Limbsaver, which was ok, but is not my preferred style of sling. Also, the Elite has a detachable magazine but retains the hinge floorplate release, which is a little awkward. My magazine would not seat properly in mine if you were gentle with it, so a firm tap to insert was necessary. A little polishing around the edges by Franchi could take a really good rifle and make it hard to beat. As far as the CVA Cascade, the only things you missed were that it comes with dual front sling studs…love that or hate it, as well as it has a very well done length of pull spacer. It’s an inch, so not as adjustable as the newer Savage 110’s, but it does adjust. They also have a slightly heavier barreled model now called the XT, which is fluted and comes with a brake. One notable thing from CVA…they’re supporting Illinois hunters and the silly single shot restriction that state places on hunters by offering a factory available single shot magazine for the 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster Cascades. The Mossberg Patriot and Savage Axis seem to not follow convention, I think because both of them existed before the trend really started with the 3-lug bolts. Mossberg didn’t change that much from the 4x4/ATR to make the Patriot. One thing to note on the Axis is, Savage is still making the Axis with the old style stock, in tandem with the new, better feeling and more ergonomic stock. Also, a regular Axis does not have an Accutrigger, you have to get the Axis II for it to have the Accutrigger. So be careful and do you homework if you’re thinking of buying a Savage Axis. The Winchester XPR and Browning AB3 share a good bit, but there are some big differences. The AB3 trigger is basically a small, removable, plastic trigger. It’s hard to describe but look it up. The XPR uses a much more conventional trigger. My biggest takeaway from most of these budget rifles is weight. They’re all kind of heavy. My father has a Browning AB3 and I’ve owned literally every other one on the table, as well as the Weatherby and Howa’s that were mentioned…and they’re all sort of heavy. Maybe not the Ruger American Compact, but that huge bolt makes it feel kind of off balance in hand. These “beefy” bolts could really be improved. I think of a Browning XBolt and it’s 3-lug bolt, which isn’t a fat bolt and it’s a much better and more refined design. I realize they’re not $700, but why can’t they reduce the material/size of these bolt bodies? I also think of Tikka and even though theirs is a 2-lug bolt, it has a 70° lift and is very trim. I realize Tikka is just over the $700 cutoff but I think you end up with a lot more for your money if you just spend a little more. Now if you’re shopping Savage Axis (most basic, non-Accutrigger model) versus Tikka T3x, there’s a larger divide in cost. But if you’re at about the $700 mark for a rifle, throw $50 more at it and get the Tikka.
They way I remember it (which could be wrong) is that Remington facelifted the X7 into the 783, which then replaced their 710 (I'm not sure it was the 710; I seem to remember another Remington cheapie in the mix). So, the X7 is sorta still with us.
Weight is my focus on these too. I’ve had them all including tikka, xbolt speed, kimber, Remington 700. The Mossberg is 6.5 lbs and feels much more balanced and solid feeling to me than the ruger. Bought one after these findings and not disappointed.
I believe they had elaborated on the "fat" bolt supposedly being a design that utilizes the same bolt for most/all chamberings, requiring only a different head. It's clunky, but makes manufacturing that much cheaper.
@@funkla65 I have nothing against the 783 and hopefully RemArms can produce a better quality firearm with more consistent quality control. The only thing I dislike about the 783 is the cheap looking molded sling attachment points, but a $900 Henry Model X also has them, so there’s that.
A year ago, I did a bit of research into my first rifle and my budget was about $700. Total I wanted to spend with a scope setup was under 1K. For the features, price point, reviews and availability, I chose the CVA Cascade chambered in 6.5 CM ( I was also looking at the .308 but it was not available locally at the time). I got it on sale for $550 at Sportmans Warehouse and ended up putting a Diamondback Tactical 6x on it. After many months of range time and just having returned from a deer hunting trip with it, I can say that I am thoroughly happy with my choice. I don't think you can beat it for the price and I would recommend this rifle to anyone looking for a "budget" rifle.
Back Fire on you tube did that. That was interesting to see that he found out. Mind you they where all different caliber. I would like to see a apples to apples comparison.
I bought a Sauer 100 for $599 new in 308 at a small gun shop not far from where we hunt and its an impressive rifle never had any experience with one before id say its very underrated
Be careful with the bolt on the Sauer 100. You can lock it upside-down if you’re unlucky with the bolt insertion after cleaning. Not difficult to undo, but it could ruin your ‘flow’
I own both and that smooth what I think is phosphate finish is nice, but will scratch up and rust pretty easy. Its a shame. I wanted stainless synthetic and they both have gotten rid of stainless steel. I prefer stainless steel over cerekote.
Could you please put a pic of a hot chick back on the wall? This would counter the whole Beavis looking dude on the left and the universe would be in balance.
I own a ruger American go wild wth bronze cerakote in 7mm08 . $567 when i purchased it. It is a tac driver and the action is smooth. I bought it instead of the brown8 g x bolt in bronze cerakote for $1300 at the time. Glad i did.
The Ruger Go Wild series rifle for $625 is a bargain. Although I could not get the new 6.5 PRC to shoot sub MOA. My 6.5 creedmoor Go Wild is consistent sub MOA. Out of the 5 rugers 4 of them have been stellar for price. But the Bergara built CVA is on my list to try out. I believe the B14 hunter is sub 700 also. My 850 dollar Bergara 300WM. Outshoots my buddies $2400 Browning xbolt pro.
The Bergara B14’s have crept up. They went from blued barrels to cerakote. The new models have a product code followed by the letter C, if you’re looking at them online. They’re like $750ish now for a B14 Hunter. Ruger’s QC seems to be slipping lately. I used to have Americans and got out of them, but ended up with an American Predator that a friend won at a raffle…he wanted a silly low amount for it because he wasn’t interested. I was with him when he won it, picked it up and sold it to me cheap. That rifle shot terribly…couldn’t put 4 rounds in the rotary mag, otherwise it would sort of swell and wouldn’t feed. Even with 3 in the mag, often the rounds would fail to ramp into the chamber. You’d almost have to hand-feed the cartridges in or adjust them with your fingers for the bolt to pick them up right. With good factory ammo it was shooting well over an inch, like 1.5-1.75” no matter what I did. Sent it back to Ruger and they sent it back saying they did some stuff to it and a new magazine…to the range, same issues as before…gun went bye bye. Haven’t owned one since and likely won’t again.
I have a Browning AB3 in 7mm-08 with a Vortex Iron Peak 4-12×44. I'm getting 1/4 " groups at 100 yrds with my reloads. Shoots as good as my X Bolt in 6.8 Western.
I bought a tikka t3, then I bought a tikka t3x lite, then I bought the t3x lite roughtech ember. My next rifle is gonna be the tikka t3x superlite. Hahaha once you go tikka there’s no going back.
Still love my pre Remlin Marlin XS7's even put laminate wood stocks on them, very under rated guns in my opinion and I believe they were $350 back in the day!
My first rifle was a tc compass ii. Still a great shooter. Gonna pass it on to the grandchildren to start. Sad that tc got thrown to the side by Smith and Wesson.
I think there was some hate/dislike for the first generation Compass rifles, mostly the trigger. The Compass II solved that issue with an Accutrigger type trigger. Same trigger was used in the Venture II. I think the only drawback about the Venture was weight…7.5lbs bare is kind of heavy when you’re talking almost 9lbs ready to hunt.
No Remington 783? Ok, well they're still producing them and they are fine accurate rifles, I just bought a HB-T 16.5" 308 brand new from buds and Remington assured me they're still in production. No Stevens 334 the newest budget rifle? What the actual.....
I’ve been hearing good things around my gun club from the owners about new Remingtons quality, both the 870s and the 700s. Hopefully Remington comes back full force, there a lot of American history in that company
That CVA is a great buy as is the Vanguard for that price range! You might be able to get a T3X base model for close to that. Those 3 are great guns I have owned many of each being a 60+ year collector!
The Ruger American all day every day as a price leader and out of the box accuracy. It has the most rigid stock out of all of the injection molded plastic junk stocks put on rifles today. Ruger made all the right choices in terms of cost cuting design measures and modern machining to produce a rifle that is almost as light as a $3200 Wilson Combat NULA rifle, more accurate and easily had for $500 or less if you shop around!
I had bought my son an Axis .243 and later the Axis II in .308. He had stopped using the .243 and I decided to deer hunt with it one year. It's the youth model and I've been using it since. It's extremely light and very accurate and handles great. I was always confident in Savage after I had gotten a great deal on a model 110A in 30 06 which to this day is still the most accurate rifle I've ever shot or owned. The 110A was my first bolt action rifle. I've now moved on to AR variants for hunting.
Personally don’t see the point of ceracoat, rust marks on the outside of your rifle suck but ceracoat does nothing to protect the most important part, the inside of the barrel. Buy a hunting rifle with a stainless steel barrel, far superior but might cost you a hundred bucks more.
I recently got a stainless CVA Scout single shot in 45-70. It's light, well balanced, and the trigger is top notch. No take up, no creep, no overtravel. Breaks like glass a little over 4lb. As good as a hunting triggers ever needs to be.
@holeinmind I would suspect it could handle the Ruger loads, but it's a very light weapon, so the recoil would be interesting! I've fired some of the Hornady LeverEvolution rounds, and they're not too bad. I'm sure the muzzle brake gas a lot to do with that. I'm planning on using subsonics.
Surprised you didn’t mention the cascade barrel is made in Spain in the Bergara factory as Bergara owns CVA… have for a while! So yes first bolt action for CVA but honestly a “discount” Bergara to some extent… and honestly amazing rifle! I love mine!
I had to pause the video and take a moment to recollect myself when Ryan said, “It’s a 10 minute talk that’s gone… at least 14 minutes” at the 61 minute mark lmao
A too quick on the trigger story. I had a 7 RM AB3 and really liked it. But as with most things I wanted to “modify” it and found almost no aftermarket support. At that time the aftermarket couldn’t put out enough stuff for the T/C Compass so I switched. I put in a $10 trigger spring off of ebay, a oversized bolt handle, and a tuner brake. The T/C consistently shoots right at 1/2 MOA and now T/C as a company is gone😢 And of course now I see aftermarket support for the AB3! I just hope the T/C finish stands up!
At first I was concerned whether this review would be helpful to me. But after eatching this in segments, I am impressed by the depth and specificity of your discussion. I recently obtained a How a, Japanese made, which probably would fit in with these examples. T hankyou for you information & opinions.
I'd love to see a left-handed version of this episode. Hard to find an affordable left-handed bolt rifle, and even harder to find a decent selection of calibers.
No mention of lack of Left hand options is upsetting Franki- NONE Mossberg-NONE CVA-NONE Ruger American- only 6.5 and 308 Savage Axis - only one that has 10 caliber options Winchester xpr- NONE Browning - NONE
@Perry2186 definitely mocking. They are building budget rifles that would drive the cost up to have to manufacturer 2 different receivers and bolts.. They are not going to do that for the few left handed shooters that would buy them
@@Jon-ki2px There are far more left-handed shooters than you realize It is no longer the 10% that number has grown exponentially since the 60s when that survey went out We no longer beat kids for being left-handed in school therefore we have way more left-handed people today than we ever have And that's not even counting the right hand of people who are left eye dominant
Gotta agree with Jim and Ryan, on the fact more of the manufactures need to cerakote their guns. I have a Ruger American Ranch in 350 Legend that is cerakoted Barret brown and has a black stock and its probably my favorite "cheap" gun. That rifle with a set of Tally medium one piece ring/ bases and a 6x36 leupold is a deadly 200 yard gun.
I have 2 guns that the cerakote has cracked and flaked off in spots. Its just not as durable as they say. Id rather have stainless if i was super worried about corrosion
@@John_Redcorn_like any finish it’s all in the prep work, my 350L is holding up good with a few scratches but it’s a hunting rifle so it’s just part of it for me.
Any finish can fail. I have received several “stainless” barrel rifles on trade that needed som attention to the barrel/bolt. I just had an older Browning XBolt Stainless Stalker in 280 Rem that had rust on the barrel (minor) and a spot on the bolt. Some time and metal polish/rust remover and it looked pretty good. I use either Break Free CLP or Birchwood Casey Barricade on all of my rifles before and after a hunt. It’s just good practice. The best combination is a stainless receiver and barrel that is then cerakoted, because it’s stainless inside, which is far more overlooked than the exterior.
My wife shoots a .250 Savage, model 110, custom wood stock (Her grandfather is a respected gunsmith) and for the icing on the cake... it's a left handed bolt gun. The thing is an absolute nail driver. You shoot a hole where ever you want and all follow-up shots land in the same hole. Clover-leaves all day. I've always liked Savage rifles. My best squirrel gun, is a .22 Sears and Roebuck, that'll feed shorts from a 10 rd box mag. It's made by Savage. I now own a Savage 110 in 6.5 cm. Amazing action, super accurate. Fit and finish on the rifle is top notch. Everyone who knows me makes fun of me. "Thought you were a ruger guy" ....yeah I thought I was too.
So I have a “high end” model 70. It’s my baby, it shoots lights out and no complaints with it. But I tend to take my ruger American out more just for the simple fact that i really don’t care what happens to it.. It gets alil rusty? All well slap some rem oil on it and toss it back in the safe.. prefer budget rifles over the more expensive ones for that reason only.
Kinda makes ya wonder what your really getting with some of these 2500 over priced bolt actions. Besides a little fit and finish maybe a better stock. .... Christensen arms lol...😮
QA mostly. It's kind of the difference between the Howa 1500 and a Weatherby Vanguard. Weatherby does some "finishing" work on the barreled actions they get from Howa. The end result is a rifle guaranteed to shoot from Weatherby....and an extra $100-$200.
@@nuckyduk15correct I would agree with you. Pick up a new Howa 1500 and the action has that Ruger American zipper sound, from tooling marks…pick up a Weatherby Vanguard (which is a Howa 1500) and no zipper sound. The blueing is also deeper and better applied on the Weatherby vanguard synthetics than a regular Howa 1500
@@buckshott00 The Bergara B14 is a 700 clone. I have 2 of them (HMR and Ridge) and you will be hard pressed to find a better rifle for the money. Extremely smooth actions and both of mine are absolute tac drivers!
A word of caution…two local gun shops and a major sporting goods store have told me they’ve seen some customers coming back in with Cascades that had issues with the stock finishes peeling. The customers were directed to CVA, who made it right, but could be an inconvenience someone doesn’t want to deal with. Not bashing the rifle, I had one in 350 Legend for a while…I’m from Pennsylvania and didn’t really need it here, so a friend from Illinois now has that rifle and with the CVA single shot magazine he meets their centerfire requirements for this deer season.
@@scotteger6271if a peeling stock finish is the biggest issue they've had then they're golden. I couldn't care less what my rifle looks like aesthetically, all I care about are form and function, and though I don't intentionally beat and abuse my guns I am also not gentle with them.
Completely off topic, but can you possibly show us the view of say a 5-25x50 magnification scope ( any of your ffp ) at 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 starting at 200 - 800 yards as an example? No one has anything even remotely close online.
I've got the Cascade in .308, the American in .308 and 300blk and the patriot in 6.5CM. All moa guns but best accuracy from my guns comes from the 308 American. Consistently getting 1/2 groups with that gun with 175gr Sierra MatchKings. My Cascade is SUPER picky with ammo and pretty much only shoots the federal Terminal accent round well. I don't shoot the patriot much but did take a nice buck with it last year. Really tough to beat the value of a Ruger American though.
Very many years ago I bought my wife a Savage Axis 308 Win, with the Bushnell scope. It was probably the most accurate rifle we ever shot. At $350 CDN, it was a steal of a deal.
Rem Arms has restarted production of the 783, both regular size and compact. Nothing like the 788 but hopefully quality under this new owner is better than pre bankruptcy Remington
Franchi and Benelli have the best sling mounting setup, especially from a noise standpoint. Too often I’ve had squeaky metal swivel stud/sling interaction.
I just picked up a weatherby vanguard in walnut for $650 at academy, they had em on sale. Doesn't come with a scope tho. Edit: nvm I just looked and they are back to regular price.
The best accuracy I ever got from a cheap rifle was a Savage 223 110. Tiny groups. I wanted a dedicated varmint rifle. It has delivered. My Brother bought an Axis II in 280AI. That gun is a heck of a shooter. He has gotten a bunch of hogs and several deer with it. I shot it and was getting .5" groups at 100yds. That was factory ammo as well. Savage really reduces the freebore. That helps make an accurate rifle with standard off the shelf ammo. Handloads only increase that accuracy.
I would love to see y’all go into, or just do a show about going into, a pawn shop or gun store with a budget for used deer rifle. Just talk about what could found on older discontinued rifles that were amazing shooters. Maybe even the 3 of you have a set budget to purchase a rifle to go hunt with and compare them on a show.
The CVA is the superior rifle on the table in my opinion. It’s built like it doesn’t even belong in that price category, but it is. One rifle I would have added to this list, that no one ever considers in these comparisons, is the Ruger M77 Hawkeye. It’s a fine rifle in this same price range.
Well, Mark, Jim, Ryan, I guess it's time to make a video about "The Rifle Man's Rifle" (winchester model 70) Mostly, I am interested in: model 70 extreme weather ss Come on, guess, I have been asking this forever! And yes, Ryan, please compare it to our favorite tikka t3x stainless Thanks Gregory from Alberta
I have the model 70 safari in 416 Remington Magnum. That behemoth shoots my 300 grain, 340 grain, and 350 grain handloads into 3/4” groups easily. The 340’s average closer to a 1/2” groups at right at 2,700 fps. I do like some of these budget rifles, and I like some of the more expensive rifles in synthetic stocks, but not of them feel or feed anywhere near as smooth as the model 70.
@andrewcleveland how about safety on model 70 compared to sako 90? I think it's much quitter and faster on sako or tikka, because you don't need to change your hand position What do you think?
@@U.C.Hunter I’m not familiar with the Sako 90. I believe the model 70 is the greatest safety every designed honestly. It’s super quiet, and I love the the safety fully on will not allow the bolt to open. My biggest gripe on the majority of safety’s is when they are designed to open the bolt on safe. I’ve had multiple occasions hunting in rough county of limbs and briars hanging the bolt and the bolt coming open and extracting the shell. My personal opinion is that the 3 position safety is superior to all other safety’s on a hunting rifle.
@@U.C.Hunternot trying to discourage you but I just sold off a Portugal made Model 70 Extreme Weather Stainless. It was not to the level of quality as an older, controlled round feed, Connecticut made Model 70 Classic was made. The bolt lift was comically light, almost like it wasn’t attached to anything…it would easily lift and almost open if even lightly brushed against anything. Sure it has the rearmost position of safe which locks the bolt, but I felt pretty uneasy about it. I also didn’t care for the look or color of the floor plate…I realize it’s aluminum so it’s not going to perfectly match the stainless, but it looked cheap. I replaced mine with a Tikka T3x Superlite and haven’t looked back. It’s lighter, more accurate and overall just a better rifle.
@@scotteger6271 All of the new FN Winchester Model 70’s have controlled round feed. Also, the new FN Model 70 floorplates are steel. I’m not sure which specific model 70 you are looking at. And honestly, from many within the model 70 community… the new FN Model 70’s are probably some of the best that have ever been made, especially from a consistency standpoint. Also… made in CT… many of the different phases of quality of Model 70 were all built in CT, so that doesn’t in and of itself equal a high quality Model 70. For example, the Model 70 runs between 1964-1968 were probably the “cheapest” run/series of Model 70 and they were made in CT. The new model 70’s were a conscientious effort to really maximize the quality of the design and still remain consistent. Now can an argument be made that pre-64 or even pre-WWII supergrades have a special feel? Subjectively, yes. But the new made FN Model 70’s are definitely in the higher section of Model 70 runs. I have owned several Model 70’s across the different manufacturing periods and used them in both the US and Africa, and my experience just doesn’t align with your observation.
The vanguards and Howa 1500s are the cream of the crop, which ain't represented. The Ruger American has proven itself to me with a 308. I have all three brands and they really shoot extremely well.
Keep em comin. Great topics and talks. Its crazy how inflated prices have become. I miss the good ol days of getting awesome rifles at Wal Martin for under 500 bucks 😂
I’m not a huge Walmart fan but they still have some good deals occasionally. I saw a Ruger American in 450 bushmaster recently at a local Walmart for a little less than $400…I wasn’t in the market but it was pretty cheap.
It could be worse, you could be living in Australia. Whatever you guys are paying for guns, we'll be paying more. The Ruger American compact will set us back $862.95AUD. In Australia, a Tikka T3X Lite stainless will set you back about $1700-$2200AUD (About $1000-$1380USD at time of writing) and a lot of other stuff you guys have as a constitutional right is just prohibited. If you think rifles are bad, handgun prices over here would melt your brain.
@@mattrickard3716your spot on mate, we get taken for a ride on anything that's hunting or fishing related, would love the prices to be like our USA bros
Cost is always subjective based on manufactures marketing. My mid 1980's Winchester Model-70 Classic Featherweight (Control-Feed) in 308 stacks bullets in the same hole at 100 yards. It cost me at the time $385 out the door. I put a used Leupold VX2 2.5 x 10 power scope on S&K rings/bases for $243 total. So total of $628 and will pretty much do it all. There are a lot of great rifles to be had for minimal investment. One need not spend multi thousands of dollars on a rifle. The animal you shoot will never know, nor appreciate the difference.
I appreciate your input but that same rifle today is far more expensive…like $1165 at most retailers. A Leupold of similar quality, whether it be a $300 VX Freedom or a $450 VX3HD, plus scope mounts will put you into the $1600-1700 neighborhood. A lot has changed since the 1980’s.
Those are great guns, but the only two worth buying are the Winchester XPR and the AB3, simply because the three position safety. If you hunt from the stand then I guess you don't need a locking bolt but if you're going to actually hike while hunting you're going to need a locking bolt. Savage 110 Hunter and the Storm Howa 1500 and Weatherby Vanguard Are the best budget rifles.
@@BcFuTw9jt yeah I can't understand that either. How the hell could such a great rifle not have a locking bolt? Like I said, if you're hunting from a stand or a blind, I guess you don't need a locking bolt.
I own an XPR in 6.5 PRC and 223, a AB3 in a 6.5 creed., they both shoot great, I like the Browning better, the stock and magazine are more stout the trigger is more adjustable (on mine, down to 2 1/2 pounds. Otherwise they are very close. I have shot a Momentum and I have previously owned a savage access 2, The momentum was the least accurate out of them al,l but still, under one and a half inches and I only tried one type of ammo with it.
That new Remington 700 ADL is going to be a great gun with a Timney trigger and R5 rifling. I have seen one and they should make a great hunting rifle!
My only concern about that particular Timney is, what did they do to reduce the cost? Hopefully it’ll still have the same quality fit/finish/feel and reliability of known Timneys. Good on RemArms though for souring out a trigger manufacturer, if it helps them streamline production and make a good product overall.
Great show, weird thumbnail, but great show. I'd love to see you guys review the Stevens 334. You get a Turkish walnut stocked rifle for circa $400 depending on where you buy. It looks weird, but that's kind of why I like it. ETA: Room temp yogurt?! This is why God won't let us have nice things anymore😆
The Stevens 334 was the Four Peaks imported ATA Turqua before Savage must have struck a deal with them to import under the Savage/Stevens name. Should be a good rifle, but 14” plus length of pull is kind of long for me.
Remington 700. My first rifle I bought myself brand new, 2006, was a Remington 700 30'06 for $350. It was very accurate. As accurate as my new now Ruger American 308.
I have my XPR Sporter chambered in 270 Winchester (classic 270) and I absolutley love it! Put a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-12 on it. Did my max point blank range at 27 yards with factory and my handloads and im dead on all the way out to 325 yards (yes I do my DOPE cards.) Its shoots every brand ive put thru it with sub MOA using factory and Sub Half MOA with some of my handloads using SST and Accubonds along with Factory Core Lokt and Norma ammo at 100yards.
OPTIC WISE SUB 200 YARD HUNTING WHAT ARE YOU RUNNING ??? 3X9 OR 4X12 ? im pretty much going ruger american not sure 22/18 inch barrel , whats the go to ?? helllppp me
24:26 The look on Mark's face. Ryan M finds the answer for Jim, quickly, while Mark is hunting the website... On the computer... Ryan quietly rattles off cartridge options, and Variant rifle options with other options for cartridge... Mark sitting there beside the computer with a facial expression that could be captioned.... "closes computer screen, packs up, and walks out the door... Quote" not sure why I'm here. You obviously have this covered. " If we didn't know better. Great video team. Thank you. Watching through the end.
You don’t have a TC COMPASS 2 and the 783 Remington which was, well is a solid gun. The 16" threaded barrel outshot some of my high dollar rifles and so will my TC COMPASS 2 both the compact and the full length. Hell every single rifle y’all have on the table will shoot sub moa with the right ammo. My Walmart Weatherby in 30.06 or .270 is a beast of a rifle.
Gotta love these concise lil ten minute talks. Short, sweet, and to the point.
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Barely even noticed the extra time honestly as I really enjoyed the entire thing, time flies when you're having fun as they say. Thanks V ntn guy's🇺🇸. Oh I forgot to mention btw yeah, my Savage Axis in 3006, she's definitely a tight group'n tack drivin(in 30.06 perhaps more like 6 penny nail driver lol) sweetheart, & of course I've set my adjustable accutrigger trigger to about 2lb. Can't beat these imo for the $... Or more $ for that matter, chrome won't bring the meat home.
Best lower price point/ entry level price gun I ever shot was a Marlin xl7. This was long before $700 being budget. Not $700 but I grabbed a Winchester model 70 for $849 new on the shelf and have been extremely glad I did!
The X7’s are like cult status now…routinely going used for more than what they probably cost new!
Completely agree I got rid of my 30-06 in camo stock last year just bc it wasn’t really going to see much use. They were a great gun at that price
I have an Axis 6.5 CM I put in a Oryx chassis and topped it off with an Arken scope. Very accurate, and right at $1300 overall in it.
This might be the longest '10 minute talk' to date.. but I'm not complaining. I want a Ruger American Ranch in 300 blk so bad.
Sorry about that! Those are great rifles and shoot very nicely. 🙌🙌
American 2 is tough to beat. I threw mine on a magpul hunter stock, and damn! You’d think it was a 1000.00 plus rifle.
Don't you like the Howa, because it is made in Japan??
They just couldn't get one in time, I think. The Browning is made in Japan.
He mentioned several times likening both the Howa 1500 and Weatherby Vanguard…I believe he said realistically they couldn’t get them all at the same time or logistically include them all on the table
you won't find #8-40 machine screw in any hardware store these days either.....
Best part about this program is every other sentence isn’t about “my last deployment”.
Pretty happy with the Howa 1500 .308win (Hogue Stock) I purchased this season. paid about $600.
I got a howa 1500 hogue stock in 6.5 creedmore and it is a great accurate rife for around $600. My buddy has a $1500 6.5 and he has tried buying mine from me as he likes it better. Howa is a great budget rifle
I bought 3 Weatherby Vanguard rifles in 308, 223 and 30.06 (same as Howa) for 200usd each.. What a bargain! That price is insane for the Norwegian market...
I don’t usually have a whole lot to say, but in this case I wanted to point out a few things. Not being critical of you guys, I think you do a great job and it’s tough when you have all that in front of you to cover, easy to miss little things. Here goes…
First, RIP Marlin X7 (XS7 and XL7) rifles. Worst thing Remington did to Marlin when they bought them out, so as to not compete with their own Remington branded budget rifle, which was worse. Maybe under Ruger’s leadership we could see a resurrection of the X7 rifles. I think there’s room…slot it in right in between the American and Hawkeye price points…so make it slightly nicer/more expensive than an American but less expensive than a Hawkeye.
Second, a Remington 783 does exist. New owner Rem Arms has started making 783’s again, both full-size and compact. So if you’re a fan you can once again own a 783.
On the Franchi I think you guys nailed it. The only things I would add are that it is a European rifle so length of pull is quite long at around 14” with no way to change it. The bolt gets more smooth once you clean the factory preservation oil or whatever off of it. The sling attachment points are kind of annoying. I had a Momentum Elite and the only sling I could get to attach and work correctly was a Limbsaver, which was ok, but is not my preferred style of sling. Also, the Elite has a detachable magazine but retains the hinge floorplate release, which is a little awkward. My magazine would not seat properly in mine if you were gentle with it, so a firm tap to insert was necessary. A little polishing around the edges by Franchi could take a really good rifle and make it hard to beat.
As far as the CVA Cascade, the only things you missed were that it comes with dual front sling studs…love that or hate it, as well as it has a very well done length of pull spacer. It’s an inch, so not as adjustable as the newer Savage 110’s, but it does adjust. They also have a slightly heavier barreled model now called the XT, which is fluted and comes with a brake. One notable thing from CVA…they’re supporting Illinois hunters and the silly single shot restriction that state places on hunters by offering a factory available single shot magazine for the 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster Cascades.
The Mossberg Patriot and Savage Axis seem to not follow convention, I think because both of them existed before the trend really started with the 3-lug bolts. Mossberg didn’t change that much from the 4x4/ATR to make the Patriot. One thing to note on the Axis is, Savage is still making the Axis with the old style stock, in tandem with the new, better feeling and more ergonomic stock. Also, a regular Axis does not have an Accutrigger, you have to get the Axis II for it to have the Accutrigger. So be careful and do you homework if you’re thinking of buying a Savage Axis.
The Winchester XPR and Browning AB3 share a good bit, but there are some big differences. The AB3 trigger is basically a small, removable, plastic trigger. It’s hard to describe but look it up. The XPR uses a much more conventional trigger.
My biggest takeaway from most of these budget rifles is weight. They’re all kind of heavy. My father has a Browning AB3 and I’ve owned literally every other one on the table, as well as the Weatherby and Howa’s that were mentioned…and they’re all sort of heavy. Maybe not the Ruger American Compact, but that huge bolt makes it feel kind of off balance in hand. These “beefy” bolts could really be improved. I think of a Browning XBolt and it’s 3-lug bolt, which isn’t a fat bolt and it’s a much better and more refined design. I realize they’re not $700, but why can’t they reduce the material/size of these bolt bodies? I also think of Tikka and even though theirs is a 2-lug bolt, it has a 70° lift and is very trim. I realize Tikka is just over the $700 cutoff but I think you end up with a lot more for your money if you just spend a little more.
Now if you’re shopping Savage Axis (most basic, non-Accutrigger model) versus Tikka T3x, there’s a larger divide in cost. But if you’re at about the $700 mark for a rifle, throw $50 more at it and get the Tikka.
Great insights, thank you
They way I remember it (which could be wrong) is that Remington facelifted the X7 into the 783, which then replaced their 710 (I'm not sure it was the 710; I seem to remember another Remington cheapie in the mix). So, the X7 is sorta still with us.
Weight is my focus on these too. I’ve had them all including tikka, xbolt speed, kimber, Remington 700. The Mossberg is 6.5 lbs and feels much more balanced and solid feeling to me than the ruger. Bought one after these findings and not disappointed.
I believe they had elaborated on the "fat" bolt supposedly being a design that utilizes the same bolt for most/all chamberings, requiring only a different head. It's clunky, but makes manufacturing that much cheaper.
@@funkla65 I have nothing against the 783 and hopefully RemArms can produce a better quality firearm with more consistent quality control. The only thing I dislike about the 783 is the cheap looking molded sling attachment points, but a $900 Henry Model X also has them, so there’s that.
A year ago, I did a bit of research into my first rifle and my budget was about $700. Total I wanted to spend with a scope setup was under 1K. For the features, price point, reviews and availability, I chose the CVA Cascade chambered in 6.5 CM ( I was also looking at the .308 but it was not available locally at the time). I got it on sale for $550 at Sportmans Warehouse and ended up putting a Diamondback Tactical 6x on it. After many months of range time and just having returned from a deer hunting trip with it, I can say that I am thoroughly happy with my choice. I don't think you can beat it for the price and I would recommend this rifle to anyone looking for a "budget" rifle.
Spend $50 more and get a tikka. You won’t be disappointed.
Tikka T1X $650
I’m sure the tikka is great…. They are just ugly to me
@@CodyRivenburghclearly you have never shouldered a tikka cf and run that bolt 😊
Way more quality with tikka
Ugly or not, it does everything a person expects a gun to do over and over and over. It’s just so smooth.
Vortex nation is the most criminally underrated 2A podcast. These guys are great!
Comfy Wisconsin rifle nerd vibe fr
Exactly. Just down to earth dudes and not annoying.
CVA cascade has a great trigger and barrel smooth action. Very accurate. Ruger American just shots, so does the Savage.
Tikka 3x compact ?
You know we love our Tikka's and we would love to add it to the list, but they're coming in at $750-800 from dealers.
Budget rifle shoot out . Sounds like a great time. Please do an episode of that !
Back Fire on you tube did that. That was interesting to see that he found out. Mind you they where all different caliber. I would like to see a apples to apples comparison.
Thumbnail looks oddly like a swastika. Just saying. Big fan of the show.
Big fan of the thumbnail
@@zokhrozzWoomzyshow some class, child.
@@Bringyourquivertotheriver seethe about it old man
@@zokhrozzWoomzyyou are a failed man.
@@larsrodbok1285 you are old and you are projecting
CZ 600 Alpha new but good
Very heavy though, for hunting. Had one in 308…probably the most accurate rifle I’ve shot to date…like a boat anchor to carry in the woods though
Who let that thumbnail through? lol
Then the opening lines Mark says "Should we tell em"...😅😅😅
Spend $30 more and buy a tikka.
I have a Tikka and it’s a fine rifle. But they are way slow.
@@kjmdrumz3 you’re slow
I had a TC venture .270 my dad got for $330 with 5R rifling, that thing was a tack driver with any ammo.
I bought a Sauer 100 for $599 new in 308 at a small gun shop not far from where we hunt and its an impressive rifle never had any experience with one before id say its very underrated
Was it a used rifle? A new Sako 100 costs $1600 in Norway, today
I got a Sauer 100 cerakote version on sale through Buds Gun Shop earlier this year for about the same price. Loving it!
I bought a Howa 1500 new in 308 for less than $600 last weekend
Be careful with the bolt on the Sauer 100. You can lock it upside-down if you’re unlucky with the bolt insertion after cleaning. Not difficult to undo, but it could ruin your ‘flow’
I had the sauer 100XT in 9.3x62. Was an amazing accurate rifle in that big thumper. I’m an idiot for letting it go.
The Howa and the vanguards are the cream of the crop.
I own both and that smooth what I think is phosphate finish is nice, but will scratch up and rust pretty easy. Its a shame. I wanted stainless synthetic and they both have gotten rid of stainless steel. I prefer stainless steel over cerekote.
@@currituck so what, just trade em in, and get what you want.
🤠257 and 300
Could you please put a pic of a hot chick back on the wall? This would counter the whole Beavis looking dude on the left and the universe would be in balance.
I own a ruger American go wild wth bronze cerakote in 7mm08 . $567 when i purchased it. It is a tac driver and the action is smooth. I bought it instead of the brown8 g x bolt in bronze cerakote for $1300 at the time. Glad i did.
The Ruger Go Wild series rifle for $625 is a bargain. Although I could not get the new 6.5 PRC to shoot sub MOA. My 6.5 creedmoor Go Wild is consistent sub MOA. Out of the 5 rugers 4 of them have been stellar for price. But the Bergara built CVA is on my list to try out.
I believe the B14 hunter is sub 700 also.
My 850 dollar Bergara 300WM. Outshoots my buddies $2400 Browning xbolt pro.
The Bergara B14’s have crept up. They went from blued barrels to cerakote. The new models have a product code followed by the letter C, if you’re looking at them online. They’re like $750ish now for a B14 Hunter.
Ruger’s QC seems to be slipping lately. I used to have Americans and got out of them, but ended up with an American Predator that a friend won at a raffle…he wanted a silly low amount for it because he wasn’t interested. I was with him when he won it, picked it up and sold it to me cheap. That rifle shot terribly…couldn’t put 4 rounds in the rotary mag, otherwise it would sort of swell and wouldn’t feed. Even with 3 in the mag, often the rounds would fail to ramp into the chamber. You’d almost have to hand-feed the cartridges in or adjust them with your fingers for the bolt to pick them up right. With good factory ammo it was shooting well over an inch, like 1.5-1.75” no matter what I did. Sent it back to Ruger and they sent it back saying they did some stuff to it and a new magazine…to the range, same issues as before…gun went bye bye. Haven’t owned one since and likely won’t again.
The Bergara B14 Hunter is another great option at the top end of this category.
I have a Browning AB3 in 7mm-08 with a Vortex Iron Peak 4-12×44. I'm getting 1/4 " groups at 100 yrds with my reloads. Shoots as good as my X Bolt in 6.8 Western.
I bought a tikka t3, then I bought a tikka t3x lite, then I bought the t3x lite roughtech ember. My next rifle is gonna be the tikka t3x superlite. Hahaha once you go tikka there’s no going back.
I personally have a Mossberg Patriot bought it for $300 back in 2019 and put a $400 vortex diamondback tactical 4x16x44 ffp moa
Yeah, I would edit that thumbnail lol
0:18-0:49...lol
that thumbnail lmao could've been done a bit better! Reminds me of something :)
Lol not just me then 😂
Ya, I'd imagine it could have been done better. Or hell, maybe a second more thought put into it
I think it looks just right
Still love my pre Remlin Marlin XS7's even put laminate wood stocks on them, very under rated guns in my opinion and I believe they were $350 back in the day!
Man those TC Compass rifles were good guns. Threaded barrel, 3 position safety, shoot great
The venture was a great rifle to ..... Never gets any love tho.
My first rifle was a tc compass ii. Still a great shooter. Gonna pass it on to the grandchildren to start. Sad that tc got thrown to the side by Smith and Wesson.
I think there was some hate/dislike for the first generation Compass rifles, mostly the trigger. The Compass II solved that issue with an Accutrigger type trigger. Same trigger was used in the Venture II. I think the only drawback about the Venture was weight…7.5lbs bare is kind of heavy when you’re talking almost 9lbs ready to hunt.
No Remington 783? Ok, well they're still producing them and they are fine accurate rifles, I just bought a HB-T 16.5" 308 brand new from buds and Remington assured me they're still in production. No Stevens 334 the newest budget rifle? What the actual.....
Might wanna check that thumbnail boys, unless youre trying to get trudeau interested in budget rifles...
I’ve been hearing good things around my gun club from the owners about new Remingtons quality, both the 870s and the 700s. Hopefully Remington comes back full force, there a lot of American history in that company
That CVA is a great buy as is the Vanguard for that price range! You might be able to get a T3X base model for close to that. Those 3 are great guns I have owned many of each being a 60+ year collector!
Quite a state we have gotten to when $700 is the cutoff for "Budget" rifles.
Yeah 15-20 years ago you could pick up a Marlin x7 or Savage/Stevens 200 for $300 -350 brand new. Wish I'd gotten a couple back in the day.
Can get a Commiefornia 20% tax on top that too if it'd make yuh feel better😂
I wish they would have had a break action rifle
@@Magnum_Express Inflation is a bitch.
Yeah, math is hard.
The Ruger American all day every day as a price leader and out of the box accuracy. It has the most rigid stock out of all of the injection molded plastic junk stocks put on rifles today. Ruger made all the right choices in terms of cost cuting design measures and modern machining to produce a rifle that is almost as light as a $3200 Wilson Combat NULA rifle, more accurate and easily had for $500 or less if you shop around!
Original tumbnail made me think this was going to be "best budget rifle for invading Poland"
They did mention the “people’s rifle” in the episode
I swear… you guys are my favorite podcast personalities. The Texas Predator Hunting podcast is right there too.
I had bought my son an Axis .243 and later the Axis II in .308. He had stopped using the .243 and I decided to deer hunt with it one year. It's the youth model and I've been using it since. It's extremely light and very accurate and handles great. I was always confident in Savage after I had gotten a great deal on a model 110A in 30 06 which to this day is still the most accurate rifle I've ever shot or owned. The 110A was my first bolt action rifle. I've now moved on to AR variants for hunting.
Personally don’t see the point of ceracoat, rust marks on the outside of your rifle suck but ceracoat does nothing to protect the most important part, the inside of the barrel. Buy a hunting rifle with a stainless steel barrel, far superior but might cost you a hundred bucks more.
I recently got a stainless CVA Scout single shot in 45-70. It's light, well balanced, and the trigger is top notch. No take up, no creep, no overtravel. Breaks like glass a little over 4lb. As good as a hunting triggers ever needs to be.
I want one so bad. I wonder which set of 45-70 load data it can handle? Lever or Ruger No. 1?
@holeinmind I would suspect it could handle the Ruger loads, but it's a very light weapon, so the recoil would be interesting! I've fired some of the Hornady LeverEvolution rounds, and they're not too bad. I'm sure the muzzle brake gas a lot to do with that. I'm planning on using subsonics.
I have a CVA optima elite in 45-70. Little bit heavier that CVA scout. Shoots like a dream.
Surprised you didn’t mention the cascade barrel is made in Spain in the Bergara factory as Bergara owns CVA… have for a while! So yes first bolt action for CVA but honestly a “discount” Bergara to some extent… and honestly amazing rifle! I love mine!
The entire rifle is made in the Bergara factory. It’s a great rifle
I had to pause the video and take a moment to recollect myself when Ryan said, “It’s a 10 minute talk that’s gone… at least 14 minutes” at the 61 minute mark lmao
😂😂😂
But you talked about synthetic stocks but not specifically bedding. Do any have pillar or aluminum bedding or are they all just receiver on plastic.
A too quick on the trigger story. I had a 7 RM AB3 and really liked it. But as with most things I wanted to “modify” it and found almost no aftermarket support. At that time the aftermarket couldn’t put out enough stuff for the T/C Compass so I switched. I put in a $10 trigger spring off of ebay, a oversized bolt handle, and a tuner brake. The T/C consistently shoots right at 1/2 MOA and now T/C as a company is gone😢 And of course now I see aftermarket support for the AB3! I just hope the T/C finish stands up!
Nobody ever lost their hinged floor plate or forgot it at home?For hunting you can’t beat the hinged floor plate.
10 minutes of budget rifle talk, where everything is covered, including bees and mongolian yoghurt.
The cva is the nicest gun on that table in my opinion
I’d agree, though I haven’t messed with a Franchi.
Agreed. I'd like to see the XT in 7mm PRC
@@phild9813i have a franchi and honestly its not as good as the cascade
Barrel by Bergara.
At first I was concerned whether this review would be helpful to me. But after eatching this in segments, I am impressed by the depth and specificity of your discussion. I recently obtained a How a, Japanese made, which probably would fit in with these examples. T hankyou for you information & opinions.
I'd love to see a left-handed version of this episode. Hard to find an affordable left-handed bolt rifle, and even harder to find a decent selection of calibers.
I’m not a lefty but Savage might be your friend on that one…Tikka as well. Savage probably trumps Tikka though for lefty support.
Savage and Ruger are lefty. Not sure about the rest but Google will help you out here. Ruger predator has a noisy safety but is my only complaint.
I got my savage axis in 30-06 for 400.00. No deer has ever gone more than ten yards after the shot. Everywhere from 20 yards to 225 yards.
No mention of lack of Left hand options is upsetting
Franki- NONE
Mossberg-NONE
CVA-NONE
Ruger American- only 6.5 and 308
Savage Axis - only one that has 10 caliber options
Winchester xpr- NONE
Browning - NONE
@Perry2186 😭😭😭😭
@@Jon-ki2px i cant tell if your mocking me or agreeing?
@Perry2186 definitely mocking. They are building budget rifles that would drive the cost up to have to manufacturer 2 different receivers and bolts.. They are not going to do that for the few left handed shooters that would buy them
@@Jon-ki2px There are far more left-handed shooters than you realize It is no longer the 10% that number has grown exponentially since the 60s when that survey went out We no longer beat kids for being left-handed in school therefore we have way more left-handed people today than we ever have And that's not even counting the right hand of people who are left eye dominant
@@Jon-ki2px Oh savage just proved you wrong
Pity the dude who spends multi k for his tool and gets out shot by the lowest cost on this table……
Gotta agree with Jim and Ryan, on the fact more of the manufactures need to cerakote their guns. I have a Ruger American Ranch in 350 Legend that is cerakoted Barret brown and has a black stock and its probably my favorite "cheap" gun. That rifle with a set of Tally medium one piece ring/ bases and a 6x36 leupold is a deadly 200 yard gun.
I have 2 guns that the cerakote has cracked and flaked off in spots. Its just not as durable as they say. Id rather have stainless if i was super worried about corrosion
@@John_Redcorn_like any finish it’s all in the prep work, my 350L is holding up good with a few scratches but it’s a hunting rifle so it’s just part of it for me.
Any finish can fail. I have received several “stainless” barrel rifles on trade that needed som attention to the barrel/bolt. I just had an older Browning XBolt Stainless Stalker in 280 Rem that had rust on the barrel (minor) and a spot on the bolt. Some time and metal polish/rust remover and it looked pretty good. I use either Break Free CLP or Birchwood Casey Barricade on all of my rifles before and after a hunt. It’s just good practice. The best combination is a stainless receiver and barrel that is then cerakoted, because it’s stainless inside, which is far more overlooked than the exterior.
My wife shoots a .250 Savage, model 110, custom wood stock (Her grandfather is a respected gunsmith) and for the icing on the cake... it's a left handed bolt gun. The thing is an absolute nail driver. You shoot a hole where ever you want and all follow-up shots land in the same hole. Clover-leaves all day.
I've always liked Savage rifles. My best squirrel gun, is a .22 Sears and Roebuck, that'll feed shorts from a 10 rd box mag. It's made by Savage.
I now own a Savage 110 in 6.5 cm. Amazing action, super accurate. Fit and finish on the rifle is top notch.
Everyone who knows me makes fun of me. "Thought you were a ruger guy" ....yeah I thought I was too.
So I have a “high end” model 70. It’s my baby, it shoots lights out and no complaints with it. But I tend to take my ruger American out more just for the simple fact that i really don’t care what happens to it.. It gets alil rusty? All well slap some rem oil on it and toss it back in the safe.. prefer budget rifles over the more expensive ones for that reason only.
Kinda makes ya wonder what your really getting with some of these 2500 over priced bolt actions. Besides a little fit and finish maybe a better stock. .... Christensen arms lol...😮
QA mostly. It's kind of the difference between the Howa 1500 and a Weatherby Vanguard. Weatherby does some "finishing" work on the barreled actions they get from Howa. The end result is a rifle guaranteed to shoot from Weatherby....and an extra $100-$200.
@@nuckyduk15correct I would agree with you. Pick up a new Howa 1500 and the action has that Ruger American zipper sound, from tooling marks…pick up a Weatherby Vanguard (which is a Howa 1500) and no zipper sound. The blueing is also deeper and better applied on the Weatherby vanguard synthetics than a regular Howa 1500
I have a Cva cascade and it shoots half moa with 143grain hordady eldx
Seeing that CVA is made by Bergara I would expect no less than an excellent rifle. Can’t beat it for the price.
Bergara barrel with a 700 action not made by big green is hard to beat
@@buckshott00 The Bergara B14 is a 700 clone. I have 2 of them (HMR and Ridge) and you will be hard pressed to find a better rifle for the money. Extremely smooth actions and both of mine are absolute tac drivers!
@@buckshott00its not a 700 action. Its a 70 degree tri-lug bolt
A word of caution…two local gun shops and a major sporting goods store have told me they’ve seen some customers coming back in with Cascades that had issues with the stock finishes peeling. The customers were directed to CVA, who made it right, but could be an inconvenience someone doesn’t want to deal with. Not bashing the rifle, I had one in 350 Legend for a while…I’m from Pennsylvania and didn’t really need it here, so a friend from Illinois now has that rifle and with the CVA single shot magazine he meets their centerfire requirements for this deer season.
@@scotteger6271if a peeling stock finish is the biggest issue they've had then they're golden.
I couldn't care less what my rifle looks like aesthetically, all I care about are form and function, and though I don't intentionally beat and abuse my guns I am also not gentle with them.
Completely off topic, but can you possibly show us the view of say a 5-25x50 magnification scope ( any of your ffp ) at 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 starting at 200 - 800 yards as an example?
No one has anything even remotely close online.
I've got the Cascade in .308, the American in .308 and 300blk and the patriot in 6.5CM. All moa guns but best accuracy from my guns comes from the 308 American. Consistently getting 1/2 groups with that gun with 175gr Sierra MatchKings. My Cascade is SUPER picky with ammo and pretty much only shoots the federal Terminal accent round well. I don't shoot the patriot much but did take a nice buck with it last year. Really tough to beat the value of a Ruger American though.
Weatherby Vanguard Synthetic is missing.
Very many years ago I bought my wife a Savage Axis 308 Win, with the Bushnell scope. It was probably the most accurate rifle we ever shot. At $350 CDN, it was a steal of a deal.
In my day the budget gum of choice the Remington 788 mine 308 win still shoots three shot groups you can cover with a dime
I have a 788 in 22-250. Great gun ,It's also a tack driver. But so is my cheap Axis .223 with handloads.
Rem Arms has restarted production of the 783, both regular size and compact. Nothing like the 788 but hopefully quality under this new owner is better than pre bankruptcy Remington
Franchi and Benelli have the best sling mounting setup, especially from a noise standpoint. Too often I’ve had squeaky metal swivel stud/sling interaction.
You can still get the mossberg patriot with a walnut stock and factory mounted vortex crossfire for $600 at academy
I just picked up a weatherby vanguard in walnut for $650 at academy, they had em on sale. Doesn't come with a scope tho.
Edit: nvm I just looked and they are back to regular price.
The best accuracy I ever got from a cheap rifle was a Savage 223 110. Tiny groups. I wanted a dedicated varmint rifle. It has delivered. My Brother bought an Axis II in 280AI. That gun is a heck of a shooter. He has gotten a bunch of hogs and several deer with it. I shot it and was getting .5" groups at 100yds. That was factory ammo as well. Savage really reduces the freebore. That helps make an accurate rifle with standard off the shelf ammo. Handloads only increase that accuracy.
Tika. Way more for just a little bit. 👍👍😀
I would love to see y’all go into, or just do a show about going into, a pawn shop or gun store with a budget for used deer rifle. Just talk about what could found on older discontinued rifles that were amazing shooters.
Maybe even the 3 of you have a set budget to purchase a rifle to go hunt with and compare them on a show.
Great info 💯💯💯 thanks again for the great show 👌👌👌👌👍👍👍💪👍
The CVA is the superior rifle on the table in my opinion. It’s built like it doesn’t even belong in that price category, but it is.
One rifle I would have added to this list, that no one ever considers in these comparisons, is the Ruger M77 Hawkeye. It’s a fine rifle in this same price range.
I agree in the cva, bergera barrels.
Well, Mark, Jim, Ryan, I guess it's time to make a video about
"The Rifle Man's Rifle" (winchester model 70)
Mostly, I am interested in:
model 70 extreme weather ss
Come on, guess, I have been asking this forever!
And yes, Ryan, please compare it to our favorite tikka t3x stainless
Thanks
Gregory from Alberta
I have the model 70 safari in 416 Remington Magnum. That behemoth shoots my 300 grain, 340 grain, and 350 grain handloads into 3/4” groups easily. The 340’s average closer to a 1/2” groups at right at 2,700 fps. I do like some of these budget rifles, and I like some of the more expensive rifles in synthetic stocks, but not of them feel or feed anywhere near as smooth as the model 70.
@andrewcleveland how about safety on model 70 compared to sako 90? I think it's much quitter and faster on sako or tikka, because you don't need to change your hand position
What do you think?
@@U.C.Hunter I’m not familiar with the Sako 90. I believe the model 70 is the greatest safety every designed honestly. It’s super quiet, and I love the the safety fully on will not allow the bolt to open. My biggest gripe on the majority of safety’s is when they are designed to open the bolt on safe. I’ve had multiple occasions hunting in rough county of limbs and briars hanging the bolt and the bolt coming open and extracting the shell. My personal opinion is that the 3 position safety is superior to all other safety’s on a hunting rifle.
@@U.C.Hunternot trying to discourage you but I just sold off a Portugal made Model 70 Extreme Weather Stainless. It was not to the level of quality as an older, controlled round feed, Connecticut made Model 70 Classic was made. The bolt lift was comically light, almost like it wasn’t attached to anything…it would easily lift and almost open if even lightly brushed against anything. Sure it has the rearmost position of safe which locks the bolt, but I felt pretty uneasy about it. I also didn’t care for the look or color of the floor plate…I realize it’s aluminum so it’s not going to perfectly match the stainless, but it looked cheap.
I replaced mine with a Tikka T3x Superlite and haven’t looked back. It’s lighter, more accurate and overall just a better rifle.
@@scotteger6271 All of the new FN Winchester Model 70’s have controlled round feed. Also, the new FN Model 70 floorplates are steel. I’m not sure which specific model 70 you are looking at. And honestly, from many within the model 70 community… the new FN Model 70’s are probably some of the best that have ever been made, especially from a consistency standpoint. Also… made in CT… many of the different phases of quality of Model 70 were all built in CT, so that doesn’t in and of itself equal a high quality Model 70. For example, the Model 70 runs between 1964-1968 were probably the “cheapest” run/series of Model 70 and they were made in CT. The new model 70’s were a conscientious effort to really maximize the quality of the design and still remain consistent. Now can an argument be made that pre-64 or even pre-WWII supergrades have a special feel? Subjectively, yes. But the new made FN Model 70’s are definitely in the higher section of Model 70 runs. I have owned several Model 70’s across the different manufacturing periods and used them in both the US and Africa, and my experience just doesn’t align with your observation.
Please do a cartridge talk on the 7MM STW!!!
The vanguards and Howa 1500s are the cream of the crop, which ain't represented.
The Ruger American has proven itself to me with a 308.
I have all three brands and they really shoot extremely well.
Lets talk about the A bolts ! I have a mint 270 medallion and love it
Have the A Bolt varmint heavy barrel with the BOSS in 22/250. Most accurate rifle I’ve ever shot with hand loads or factory ammo. Absolute stud
Thats what Boyds stock are for!
some good guns for the money........buy American
Why? American Manufacturers suck compared to what's coming in from parts of Europe and Japan.
Today at Academy Sports in Fredericksburg, VA I saw the blued Tikka compact for $679.00. Would have been a great addition to this line-up.
Keep em comin. Great topics and talks.
Its crazy how inflated prices have become. I miss the good ol days of getting awesome rifles at Wal Martin for under 500 bucks 😂
I’m not a huge Walmart fan but they still have some good deals occasionally. I saw a Ruger American in 450 bushmaster recently at a local Walmart for a little less than $400…I wasn’t in the market but it was pretty cheap.
It could be worse, you could be living in Australia. Whatever you guys are paying for guns, we'll be paying more. The Ruger American compact will set us back $862.95AUD. In Australia, a Tikka T3X Lite stainless will set you back about $1700-$2200AUD (About $1000-$1380USD at time of writing) and a lot of other stuff you guys have as a constitutional right is just prohibited. If you think rifles are bad, handgun prices over here would melt your brain.
@@mattrickard3716your spot on mate, we get taken for a ride on anything that's hunting or fishing related, would love the prices to be like our USA bros
Cost is always subjective based on manufactures marketing. My mid 1980's Winchester Model-70 Classic Featherweight (Control-Feed) in 308 stacks bullets in the same hole at 100 yards. It cost me at the time $385 out the door. I put a used Leupold VX2 2.5 x 10 power scope on S&K rings/bases for $243 total. So total of $628 and will pretty much do it all. There are a lot of great rifles to be had for minimal investment. One need not spend multi thousands of dollars on a rifle. The animal you shoot will never know, nor appreciate the difference.
I appreciate your input but that same rifle today is far more expensive…like $1165 at most retailers. A Leupold of similar quality, whether it be a $300 VX Freedom or a $450 VX3HD, plus scope mounts will put you into the $1600-1700 neighborhood. A lot has changed since the 1980’s.
@@scotteger6271 Agreed, My cost then illustrates that price point change. I really like the CVA rifle, very cool.
Those are great guns, but the only two worth buying are the Winchester XPR and the AB3, simply because the three position safety. If you hunt from the stand then I guess you don't need a locking bolt but if you're going to actually hike while hunting you're going to need a locking bolt. Savage 110 Hunter and the Storm
Howa 1500 and Weatherby Vanguard Are the best budget rifles.
Wow I guess the what, 50 something years now the 700 has been in production we all had it wrong with a non locking bolt, who knew lol
@@BcFuTw9jt yeah I can't understand that either. How the hell could such a great rifle not have a locking bolt? Like I said, if you're hunting from a stand or a blind, I guess you don't need a locking bolt.
That thumbnail. Was that on porpoise?
Just for anyone who hasn't noticed the thumbnail is a dollar symbol with the top and bottom cropped off a bit 😉
Yea, I really had to look hard to realize what they were going for...lol
@@anonymousf454Yes I had a double to take. I'm betting it looked different when they uploaded it before YT squished it😂
@@redrock425Thank goodness they changed it...hope no negative press...those vultures will look for anything....i love this channel
CVA made by Bergara, that is really something to consider
I respect the thumbnail kings 💪🏻
I own an XPR in 6.5 PRC and 223, a AB3 in a 6.5 creed., they both shoot great, I like the Browning better, the stock and magazine are more stout the trigger is more adjustable (on mine, down to 2 1/2 pounds. Otherwise they are very close. I have shot a Momentum and I have previously owned a savage access 2, The momentum was the least accurate out of them al,l but still, under one and a half inches and I only tried one type of ammo with it.
I have 2 patriot rifles 270 and 30-06 as well as a axis in 243. I have nothing to complain about. 😁
That new Remington 700 ADL is going to be a great gun with a Timney trigger and R5 rifling. I have seen one and they should make a great hunting rifle!
My only concern about that particular Timney is, what did they do to reduce the cost? Hopefully it’ll still have the same quality fit/finish/feel and reliability of known Timneys. Good on RemArms though for souring out a trigger manufacturer, if it helps them streamline production and make a good product overall.
********SAVAGE MAGPUL HUNTER 308 799 + RINGS + SCOPE VORTEX 4-12-40 DIAMONDBACK ***MY FAV SETUP***NOT SUB 1000 THOW***
Great show, weird thumbnail, but great show. I'd love to see you guys review the Stevens 334. You get a Turkish walnut stocked rifle for circa $400 depending on where you buy. It looks weird, but that's kind of why I like it.
ETA: Room temp yogurt?! This is why God won't let us have nice things anymore😆
The Stevens 334 was the Four Peaks imported ATA Turqua before Savage must have struck a deal with them to import under the Savage/Stevens name. Should be a good rifle, but 14” plus length of pull is kind of long for me.
Remington 700. My first rifle I bought myself brand new, 2006, was a Remington 700 30'06 for $350. It was very accurate. As accurate as my new now Ruger American 308.
Why do you have George Castanza's photo there?😂😂😂
One of Mark's idols. 😂😂
I have my XPR Sporter chambered in 270 Winchester (classic 270) and I absolutley love it! Put a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-12 on it. Did my max point blank range at 27 yards with factory and my handloads and im dead on all the way out to 325 yards (yes I do my DOPE cards.)
Its shoots every brand ive put thru it with sub MOA using factory and Sub Half MOA with some of my handloads using SST and Accubonds along with Factory Core Lokt and Norma ammo at 100yards.
OPTIC WISE SUB 200 YARD HUNTING WHAT ARE YOU RUNNING ??? 3X9 OR 4X12 ? im pretty much going ruger american not sure 22/18 inch barrel , whats the go to ?? helllppp me
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The look on Mark's face.
Ryan M finds the answer for Jim, quickly, while Mark is hunting the website... On the computer...
Ryan quietly rattles off cartridge options, and Variant rifle options with other options for cartridge...
Mark sitting there beside the computer with a facial expression that could be captioned....
"closes computer screen, packs up, and walks out the door... Quote" not sure why I'm here. You obviously have this covered. "
If we didn't know better.
Great video team. Thank you.
Watching through the end.
You don’t have a TC COMPASS 2 and the 783 Remington which was, well is a solid gun. The 16" threaded barrel outshot some of my high dollar rifles and so will my TC COMPASS 2 both the compact and the full length. Hell every single rifle y’all have on the table will shoot sub moa with the right ammo. My Walmart Weatherby in 30.06 or .270 is a beast of a rifle.
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Definitely
Shooters, win.
Pretty sure you have 7 rifles on the table, under 4k spent?
Less than avg 700 each.
Well.
Win Win.