From military perspective FMG is preffered, not just from legality perspective, but from practical as well. First will pass trough and through and potentially hit another combatant, dose not shatter on ricochet , feeds more reliable in automatic weapons, cheaper, more chance to induce an wounded soldier that takes more resources than a dead one....adn i can continue on.....
Your both partially right. The military has done extensive studies, obviously, on FMJ bullets. They have put a minimum "lethal" velocity on each FMJ they use, which is the minimum velocity a bullet will still break apart at the cannular when it yaws or tumbles in ordinance gel. FMJ bullets don't just poke holes, they tumble, which in it's self, causes a lot of damage, but if they are going fast enough, they also break in half at the cannular causing massive damage and they are still legal by international rules of war.
I haven't caught any of the podcasts in a while and missed the velvety smooth delivery by the bullet and firearm guru Brian Muckenhern. This was a nice chat about Rifle Target /Hunting Bullet types. They should do one on the pistol bullet types as well sometime. Lots of folks still cast lead solids and hollowpoints and powdercoat then we have copper plated, copper jacketed, and expanding monolithic copper, etc much like the rifle bullets but without the mechanical or chemically bonded and tipped variants that rifles have.
Thank you for the updates on so many bullets that have been made in the last 20 years! I'm a reloader since the 60's and hunter before that. What a wonderful explanation of what we have to choose from now!
Great video, would love a cartridge talk on the 7.5 Swiss. It's a real interesting cartridge, current world record for the furthest open sight shot is held by a shooter using a K31 in 7.5 Swiss with handloaded 190 SMK's.
The Terminal Ascent is a hybrid design. It is intended to be more accurate than a traditional bonded bullet by reducing the size of the bonded core and moving the lead towards the centerline (spin axis) of the bullet. This is in contrast to many traditional bonded designs like the Accu Bond series which essentially solder the lead core to a relatively this jacket. Typically, a flux is used to strip off oxides to get a good bond, but these particles of oxide stay in the core. The particles of oxides are a different density than lead and can deposit randomly in the core as it is melted for the bonding process. Those particles throw off the balance of the bullet slightly, especially if they stay near the outside (the jacket-core interface). The Terminal Ascent bullets reduce the effect of the oxide particles on balance by making the total bonding surface smaller and moving it towards the centerline, where it has less effect on the spinning bullet.
@@mikeTyson329 I agree. Not many people running around with 24-26" Varmint barrels (which I happen to like), and that's what the most common lengh for .223 test barrels is. 5.56 NATO is from a 20" barrel at 50 feet, I think. That is why I laugh when a box of 55 grain .223 says 3,250 FPS, and m193 usually says 3,125 FPS. Typically .223 55 grain from a 16-inch barrel is about 2700-2900 FPS, depending on the manufacturer.
The sleeper round has to be the one not shown; The Federal Fusion, or now, the Tipped Fusion. They cost less than the Noslers, not much more than Remington Corlokt but perform like premium priced ammunition. I think Federal is knocking out of the park right now with all of their bullets, from the Powershocks up to the Terminal Ascent.
I personally haven't done it but I hear from people who use it on pigs and deer out of a 300blk. With the lower velocities they say it expands like a traditional bullet.
I agree. Need to test many different brands though. I suspect some will perform consistently and some not so consistently. Some may work like an expanding bullet and some more like an FMJ.
As Cowboy Kent Rollins said, “You don’t get full on fancy!”-referring to culinary pursuits. He cooks Cowboy Chuck Wagon style and feeds working cowboys. He should know. I’m enamored with the TTSX myself. It’s fancy enough for me. But my dad took an elk with a 200 gr round nose from Remington (Core-Lokt) through a 35 Remington Marlin 336. Not fancy by any stretch but that elk didn’t die laughing.
This is a fascinating discussion. Talking of a “tough” name for bullet was our Australian bullet the Woodleigh WELDCORE. Either a round nose or semi spitzer bonded bullet. One reason I believe that bonded bullets have been losing popularity is cost and the type of game animals that the majority of hunters take. For the vast majority of hunters you don’t need the toughness of a bonded bullet.
lol loved the argument about the bonded bullet being phased out. I too love bonded bullets as I don’t want to pick lead out of my meat. However I do agree that in rifle ammo they will be phased out. I think they are here to stay in handgun ammo.
Bonded bullets are quite popular in South Africa. I hunt All my game, springbuck to eland with bonded bullets, Nosler accubond most of the time. I think it causes less meat damage
The ABLR is a high BC, deep penetrating bullet that has the added benefit of also being bonded, as is the Terminal Ascent. As an added benefit, you'll get more penetration and expansion at longer ranges than you will with copper mono, because they weigh more. ABLRs have crazy high BCs.
Great job, as always guys. One more thing, I believe bonded sticks around, if for no other reason, because many law enforcement agencies use bonded .223/5.56.
I just went to TTSX bullets in my 708 ,140 grain ,,and 30-06, 168 grain 1/2" groups ,,, the 708 is the Thompson center venture compact 20-in barrel. Those bulbs are flying 2850 ft per second,,, the 30.6 is a Remington mountain rifle with a 22-in barrel and those bolts are flying 2750 feet per second.
I think bonded is a cost issue, being the same or more as monolithic/ lead-free bullets, and then there is the question of why not go with the lead-free at that point. Going with a heavier lead bullet to limit the downfalls of bullets falling apart at short range also leads to the question of whether a bonded bullet is needed. That being said, I would prefer bonded in a lead bullet for 90% of my hunting over standard lead, but just as easily would grab the lead free option.
May I suggest you guys get a big whiteboard dry erase board for easier use in explaining the jackets, coats, tips or core. Hard to see a tiny bullet on camera.
My favorite episode so far! One thought about flat-based bullets: in some situations you might have more surface contact with the case neck (think light for caliber) -or- you might have less bullet intrusion into the powder column (think longer bullet that has to sit back into the case more). Does that have any bearing? (Forgive me for the horrible pun 🤓) P.S. Hornady is really irritating. That 160 grain 7mm CX bullet? No data for either 7mm-08 or 7x57 Mauser. Seems like it would be ideal for the 7x57…
Swift loads and sells their bullets as Swift High Grade Ammunition. US military scout-snipers use tipped Sierra Match Kings. They used the open tip MKs prior to this. Some poorlyinformed member of Congress claimed the open tip bullets were causing horrific damage despite NOT violating the Geneva Conventions so we switched to the tipped bullets.
Mark losing his mind at the possibility of bonded core bullets leaving the marketplace was sad to watch. The black powder analogy does not fit. I have access to black powder and prefer it to all of the substitutes, sans bh209. For me, bh209 is far more difficult to find. Pyrodex, triple 7, and all the pellets are useless as tits on a bull. I think a good analogy would be the corner vent windows from cars. I didn't like seeing them disappear from new car models, but now air conditioning is so much better and quieter that I rarely even think of them. It will be the same for the bonded bullets, which I also love and load for my hunting. They will be replaced in the market by better alternatives.
You touched on it 😊right at the end are you may end up shooting a bullet say you didn't even plan on shooting because of your rifles individual characteristics. I have a 300 RUM that I have tack driving nosler partitions 180 grainers and I'm a huge fan of that bullet but only because of performance in that rifle. I want to try the cxs or the Barnes but I'm not going to because of possible fouling and I'm just not going to re- figure out low development for entirely new bullet
@@garrettschienschang7898 lmao glad you have a sense of humor, brother! Keep in mind I have a custom chamber, so start at 10% below… but my most accurate load is 72 grains of IMR 7828 SSC, over magnum primers, load to .020 off the lands.
You make pure black powder. Its not hard to make. But its expensive to get in the mail. You might find some local but its still gonna cost a lil lil bit. They have good cheap, better alternatives to black powder that are not as sensitive to temperature or moisture and actually works well. And isn't corrosive to your gun. Thats the biggest part is not being corrosive.
The military does not have rules about bullet construction. The hogue convention covers expanding projectiles, but the US did not agree or sign that portion. There are some in the military that use hollow points. The reason the majority use fmj, is for pennetration capabilities, and low cost. Thats all, its not that hard to comprehend
Waaait wait wait. Back TF up. An FMJ .223 55gr will indeed yaw and fragment, where an Ss109/M855 TRULY zips through aqueous solution. So no, FMJ doesn’t mean it’s just poking a hole.
@edwardabrams4972 The police aren't beholden to the geneva Convention, and the millitary doesn't use bullets designed to expand (at least officialy mark 262s hollow point is "for accuracy")
Great job fellas! Enjoyed the whole podcast! Doe asouris, mega meat, meatzilla! 300 wsm, 300 win mag, 300 wby and barnes ttsx are a few of my favorite things! Really enjoy hearing you all visit about them
FMJ bullets are preferred when using rifle for bird hunt at least in Finland - they minimize the loss of meat (which there is not that much to begin with).
Made my morning with this! And a 6ARC cameo to boot! I just got a Howa Mini in 6ARC after binging Ryan’s carbon Howa episode an unhealthy amount of times.
Life pro tip - Those 5.56 77gr Sierra Match Kings boat tail hollow points are also what you should be running in your shorty ARs, eg 10.3” 11.5” 12.5”. These rounds fú¢k out of SBRs where the 55gr M193 & 62gr M855 green tips don’t perform well terminally.
Ref bonded bullets, my experience with .30 cal Accubonds vs Ballistic Tips is that with 165s & 180s Accubonds aren’t appreciably tougher at .308 Win & .30-06 speeds. Maybe the ABs pull away with the magnum .30 cal cartridges. On the flip side, IN MY RIFLES, factory Ballistic Tip loads typically shoot better than ABs. So for me as a non-magnum .30 cal shooter, my answer to the bonded bullet question is, “What’s the point?”
Flat base bullets have more bearing surface on the lands and grooves of the barrel. Is there a situation when that is adventitious? Maybe a barrel with high internal wear on it.
I am a big fan of bonded bullets, the federal fusion (or Speer Gold dot) especially. I believe these stand out from other bonded bullets because they are essentially an extremely thick electroplated jacked with an exposed tip, until the polymer tip Speer Impact. Federal and Speer can manufacture them this way because of their location in the PNW using cheaper power from the Columbia river dams. Other companies may use a process more similar to soldering to bond the jacket and core. I have personally sectioned bullets out of curiosity, and was shocked at the small size of the hornady interlock ring. The representation of the picture on the box is much more pronounced than in reality, although I have used interlocks to take deer with a 30-06. The jackets can separate from the core if you hit bone, something the fusions would not do. The fact that the interlock ring is used in the Interlock, SST, and ELD X lines means most of the innovation has been on the outside rather than the inside of their bullets. Great "10 min" talk thanks
At normal hunting ranges, 300 yards or less, very hard to beat core lokts or power shoks. They will continue to do what they have done for years. Hunters are finally figuring this out!!!!
I tested cup and core vs bonded in 300 blk to see how it does as a whitetail cartridge. Amazing difference in the 2. Can see the test and results on RUclips God's Country shooting and outdoors. Love your channel guys!
The good old FMJ🙌 hunted with them in the 60’s for deer when they were all you could find during hunting season for hard to find cartridges. One if my dads best friends was friends with John Nosler in the 50’s and 60’s when they were in Ashland oregon and still can remember when my dad switched over to the good old Partitions!
How did the fmj's work for you? I had a friend who used them regularly. He said that he never had a problem. They are a lot easier to find than some other styles.
I hunt mule deer with my .300 Weatherby and use Barnes 180gr ttsx. Extremely effective and only one deer I’ve found a part of the bullet that broke off, it was a “quartering to” shot While field dressing I found one pedal of the expanded bullet. Great bullets and will take down anything in North America Also if you could expand on weatherby’s freebore and how a boat tail projectile might be affected by that freebore
🕵♂ In All Your Bullet and Cartridge Penetration Testing (Of Copper Bullets), Their is Something Important That You Missed in Your Evaluation! The Hardness of the Copper/Alloy Determines How Well the Bullet Opens Up and Penetrates! You May Remember That the 270 Wichester Copper Bullet Penetrated the Deepest, But Failed to Open and Tumbled on the First Shot? It is a "Balance" and Every Copper Bullet (of Various Manufacturers) is Made to a Different Hardness and Needs to Be Evaluated Accordingly! 👨🏫
I'll call BS around the 25 minute mark. OTMs can be very accurate and due to their oftenly high SD can have a good BC. With that said... Tipped rounds can produce fist sized groups at 1,000 and as a matter of the physics involved can have a higher BC than could be accomplished with an OTM. The sharper the tip and the more gradual the ogive the better (assuming it's stable in flight).
I pulled 16 very distinct loads out of my ammo can. 8 different calibers. Only one was bonded, one partitioned, none homogeneous, half of them tipped. If I want to go “tougher”, just increase the weight and it expands like anything, but drives deeper. Didn’t discuss sectional density, which is a predictive of penetration across calibers. SD is a lost statistic that explains why a 140gr 6.5mm bullet penetrates the same as a 180gr .30 cal.
This is absolutely my favorite episode…I can listen to an hour about each bullet type
I love these 1:28 minutes 10 minute talks. They’re the best.
I can’t believe you tried to make this a 10 minute talk. I opened my RUclips app, saw the topic and said no way
They didnt even try 😂😂😂
The legendary 10 minutes for EACH bullet talk..
And ten minutes in the color shade of the Barnes. Lmao. Keep it coming gents, but maybe less wax poetic.😊
From military perspective FMG is preffered, not just from legality perspective, but from practical as well. First will pass trough and through and potentially hit another combatant, dose not shatter on ricochet , feeds more reliable in automatic weapons, cheaper, more chance to induce an wounded soldier that takes more resources than a dead one....adn i can continue on.....
That's not true. It's cheap, and produced in massive numbers. It works good enough, and can penetrate. That's it
Your both partially right. The military has done extensive studies, obviously, on FMJ bullets. They have put a minimum "lethal" velocity on each FMJ they use, which is the minimum velocity a bullet will still break apart at the cannular when it yaws or tumbles in ordinance gel. FMJ bullets don't just poke holes, they tumble, which in it's self, causes a lot of damage, but if they are going fast enough, they also break in half at the cannular causing massive damage and they are still legal by international rules of war.
Missed one rebaited boat tail
10 minute talk
88 minute long video
The bane of my wife's existence 🤣
Been wanting something like this for a while. Thanks for putting it together
"Low speed, high drag". Great concept for a cartridge! You could call it the .45 RuPaul
Yall said it - It Just Works - Good Ole Soft Points
I haven't caught any of the podcasts in a while and missed the velvety smooth delivery by the bullet and firearm guru Brian Muckenhern. This was a nice chat about Rifle Target /Hunting Bullet types. They should do one on the pistol bullet types as well sometime. Lots of folks still cast lead solids and hollowpoints and powdercoat then we have copper plated, copper jacketed, and expanding monolithic copper, etc much like the rifle bullets but without the mechanical or chemically bonded and tipped variants that rifles have.
Thank you for the updates on so many bullets that have been made in the last 20 years! I'm a reloader since the 60's and hunter before that. What a wonderful explanation of what we have to choose from now!
Great video, would love a cartridge talk on the 7.5 Swiss. It's a real interesting cartridge, current world record for the furthest open sight shot is held by a shooter using a K31 in 7.5 Swiss with handloaded 190 SMK's.
The Terminal Ascent is a hybrid design. It is intended to be more accurate than a traditional bonded bullet by reducing the size of the bonded core and moving the lead towards the centerline (spin axis) of the bullet. This is in contrast to many traditional bonded designs like the Accu Bond series which essentially solder the lead core to a relatively this jacket. Typically, a flux is used to strip off oxides to get a good bond, but these particles of oxide stay in the core. The particles of oxides are a different density than lead and can deposit randomly in the core as it is melted for the bonding process. Those particles throw off the balance of the bullet slightly, especially if they stay near the outside (the jacket-core interface). The Terminal Ascent bullets reduce the effect of the oxide particles on balance by making the total bonding surface smaller and moving it towards the centerline, where it has less effect on the spinning bullet.
Best podcast to listen too!
Love it!! Beginning to end. Keep going down the rabbit holes. Love y’all’s personalities and the information is awesome.
I love bonded bullets! I hope they don’t go anywhere anytime soon. The AB, Scirroco, Terminal Ascent! All fantastic!
Don't forget Federal Fusion. They are coming out with a tipped version soon
@@shovelhead2155 I’ve been wanting to get some of the Federal Fusion MSR in .223/5.56 to see how my rifles like them.
@@mikeTyson329 They are great. Hope they work well for you. And the velocity on the back is from a 16 inch barrel.
@@shovelhead2155 That’s fantastic! I wish 16” velocities were posted on more 5.56 ammo boxes.
@@mikeTyson329 I agree. Not many people running around with 24-26" Varmint barrels (which I happen to like), and that's what the most common lengh for .223 test barrels is. 5.56 NATO is from a 20" barrel at 50 feet, I think. That is why I laugh when a box of 55 grain .223 says 3,250 FPS, and m193 usually says 3,125 FPS. Typically .223 55 grain from a 16-inch barrel is about 2700-2900 FPS, depending on the manufacturer.
These videos have helped me through most of my course in my SDI schooling! Love the great informational videos guys, keep it up. 👍🏽
The sleeper round has to be the one not shown; The Federal Fusion, or now, the Tipped Fusion. They cost less than the Noslers, not much more than Remington Corlokt but perform like premium priced ammunition. I think Federal is knocking out of the park right now with all of their bullets, from the Powershocks up to the Terminal Ascent.
Hey Ryan , I just rolled up a 7 mag for the talk .
The pure number of people who shoot the VMax bullet on whitetail is mind blowing
I personally haven't done it but I hear from people who use it on pigs and deer out of a 300blk. With the lower velocities they say it expands like a traditional bullet.
You should do a ballistic gel test with match type bullets
I agree. Need to test many different brands though. I suspect some will perform consistently and some not so consistently. Some may work like an expanding bullet and some more like an FMJ.
As Cowboy Kent Rollins said, “You don’t get full on fancy!”-referring to culinary pursuits. He cooks Cowboy Chuck Wagon style and feeds working cowboys. He should know. I’m enamored with the TTSX myself. It’s fancy enough for me. But my dad took an elk with a 200 gr round nose from Remington (Core-Lokt) through a 35 Remington Marlin 336. Not fancy by any stretch but that elk didn’t die laughing.
The dream team
This is a fascinating discussion. Talking of a “tough” name for bullet was our Australian bullet the Woodleigh WELDCORE. Either a round nose or semi spitzer bonded bullet.
One reason I believe that bonded bullets have been losing popularity is cost and the type of game animals that the majority of hunters take.
For the vast majority of hunters you don’t need the toughness of a bonded bullet.
Love to see a podcast on the subject of mixing different manufacture brand ammo in the ammo can, like 9mm for example. Pro & Cons.
lol loved the argument about the bonded bullet being phased out. I too love bonded bullets as I don’t want to pick lead out of my meat. However I do agree that in rifle ammo they will be phased out. I think they are here to stay in handgun ammo.
Me: hell yeah, another vortex ten minute talk
*Opens video* 1 hour and 28 minutes
Bonded bullets are quite popular in South Africa. I hunt All my game, springbuck to eland with bonded bullets, Nosler accubond most of the time.
I think it causes less meat damage
Up next on 10 minute talk the 340 weatherby magnum
I either want a cheap bullet (not bonded)
A high BC bullet (not bonded)
Or deep peneteration (copper mono > bonded)
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Funny how that works out lol
The ABLR is a high BC, deep penetrating bullet that has the added benefit of also being bonded, as is the Terminal Ascent. As an added benefit, you'll get more penetration and expansion at longer ranges than you will with copper mono, because they weigh more. ABLRs have crazy high BCs.
Great job, as always guys. One more thing, I believe bonded sticks around, if for no other reason, because many law enforcement agencies use bonded .223/5.56.
Would love to hear y'alls thoughts on the 360 buck hammer
I just went to TTSX bullets in my 708 ,140 grain ,,and 30-06, 168 grain 1/2" groups ,,, the 708 is the Thompson center venture compact 20-in barrel. Those bulbs are flying 2850 ft per second,,, the 30.6 is a Remington mountain rifle with a 22-in barrel and those bolts are flying 2750 feet per second.
This may be the record length 10 minute talk?
🤘 Manson reamers grand Blanc Mi here. Good stuff guys!
I think bonded is a cost issue, being the same or more as monolithic/ lead-free bullets, and then there is the question of why not go with the lead-free at that point. Going with a heavier lead bullet to limit the downfalls of bullets falling apart at short range also leads to the question of whether a bonded bullet is needed. That being said, I would prefer bonded in a lead bullet for 90% of my hunting over standard lead, but just as easily would grab the lead free option.
Bonded is best at ranges 300 yards or less especially with magnums which is the reason they came out to begin with!
@edwardabrams4972 similar to lead free bullets due to velocity requirements. Neither is a wrong or bad choice at all.
May I suggest you guys get a big whiteboard dry erase board for easier use in explaining the jackets, coats, tips or core. Hard to see a tiny bullet on camera.
My favorite episode so far!
One thought about flat-based bullets: in some situations you might have more surface contact with the case neck (think light for caliber) -or- you might have less bullet intrusion into the powder column (think longer bullet that has to sit back into the case more). Does that have any bearing?
(Forgive me for the horrible pun 🤓)
P.S. Hornady is really irritating. That 160 grain 7mm CX bullet? No data for either 7mm-08 or 7x57 Mauser. Seems like it would be ideal for the 7x57…
Swift loads and sells their bullets as Swift High Grade Ammunition.
US military scout-snipers use tipped Sierra Match Kings. They used the open tip MKs prior to this. Some poorlyinformed member of Congress claimed the open tip bullets were causing horrific damage despite NOT violating the Geneva Conventions so we switched to the tipped bullets.
Mark losing his mind at the possibility of bonded core bullets leaving the marketplace was sad to watch. The black powder analogy does not fit. I have access to black powder and prefer it to all of the substitutes, sans bh209. For me, bh209 is far more difficult to find. Pyrodex, triple 7, and all the pellets are useless as tits on a bull. I think a good analogy would be the corner vent windows from cars. I didn't like seeing them disappear from new car models, but now air conditioning is so much better and quieter that I rarely even think of them. It will be the same for the bonded bullets, which I also love and load for my hunting. They will be replaced in the market by better alternatives.
On the Hornady podcast, they mentioned the enter Bond is not that accurate. And it’s hard to make bonded bullets accurate.
You touched on it 😊right at the end are you may end up shooting a bullet say you didn't even plan on shooting because of your rifles individual characteristics. I have a 300 RUM that I have tack driving nosler partitions 180 grainers and I'm a huge fan of that bullet but only because of performance in that rifle. I want to try the cxs or the Barnes but I'm not going to because of possible fouling and I'm just not going to re- figure out low development for entirely new bullet
FMJs are the deadliest bullet…in mass. Quantity has a say in the equation.
i love these vids
What’s up with the SPAM on the shelf?😊
What’s your thoughts on a 220 eldx for a long range 300wmg load. Mostly target shooting but may be used for hunting
I use the 225 ELD-M in 300 WM for long range target and hunting, and it has dropped properly placed shots on black bear and elk out to 600.
@@BillyJoeBob3691 thanks. What do you load them with?
@@garrettschienschang7898 A press
@@BillyJoeBob3691 that’s a response I would have given. How about a powder type and charge instead?
@@garrettschienschang7898 lmao glad you have a sense of humor, brother! Keep in mind I have a custom chamber, so start at 10% below… but my most accurate load is 72 grains of IMR 7828 SSC, over magnum primers, load to .020 off the lands.
You make pure black powder. Its not hard to make. But its expensive to get in the mail. You might find some local but its still gonna cost a lil lil bit. They have good cheap, better alternatives to black powder that are not as sensitive to temperature or moisture and actually works well. And isn't corrosive to your gun. Thats the biggest part is not being corrosive.
The military does not have rules about bullet construction. The hogue convention covers expanding projectiles, but the US did not agree or sign that portion. There are some in the military that use hollow points. The reason the majority use fmj, is for pennetration capabilities, and low cost. Thats all, its not that hard to comprehend
Ah yes, the effects-based prohibition on all bullets that caused “useless cruelty”. That’s all the US agreed to.
Why the pic of the character George castanza from sinfield on the shelf? Lmao
Is this a record
The Hague Convention stated that international warfare should not be done with bullets intended to expand or deposit lead in the body.
The flaw to your talk using the 5.56 is the fmj bullet tumbles upon impact and can be very terminal.
They're called Bullet Bills.
They use 77gr open tips in war lol ...bit weird no hollow points
For hunting deer one of the bullets i like are BERGER.
LOL this is the gun version of listening to millennial hipsters sit around pontificating the finer points of IPA beer. 😂
When are we going to get a MUCLOPEDIA RUclips channel
#10minutelies
Waaait wait wait. Back TF up.
An FMJ .223 55gr will indeed yaw and fragment, where an Ss109/M855 TRULY zips through aqueous solution.
So no, FMJ doesn’t mean it’s just poking a hole.
Ryan is OCD with that box arrangement
What? No Partitions?
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I feel like Jimmy can't stand Mark and Ryan just tries to keep the peace.
10 minute+78 talk
Jimmy's got the OCD too.....
It is considered a war crime to use any kind of expanding, exploding, or otherwise special bullet on a human being less than a certain grain weight
Not true the police force had been using them for years and do has the military world wide and I am talking about lead bullets!
@edwardabrams4972 The police aren't beholden to the geneva Convention, and the millitary doesn't use bullets designed to expand (at least officialy mark 262s hollow point is "for accuracy")
@@mehtevas2653true just not officially 😳
@@edwardabrams4972 The official statement is that hollow points are typically for accuracy. We still use ball ammo in pistols, though.
Great job fellas! Enjoyed the whole podcast! Doe asouris, mega meat, meatzilla! 300 wsm, 300 win mag, 300 wby and barnes ttsx are a few of my favorite things! Really enjoy hearing you all visit about them
"10 min talk"
90=10 😂
I agree, please make videos that don't last so long. Sometimes you guys remind me of women chatting in a beauty shop.
Boredom, to a higher degree. WTF.
Stick to the point.. ..
Projectiles technically not bullets.
10 minutes 😂
Slight miscalculation.
Well 10min segments
Biggest lie on the Internet
10 min’s or 6” inches it’s all how you look at it🤔😳😂 I am far sighted so my wife says I have an excuse🤣
@@ShockerMain2124No the biggest is saying “ this is the biggest lie” 😳😂
FMJ bullets are preferred when using rifle for bird hunt at least in Finland - they minimize the loss of meat (which there is not that much to begin with).
The thing shot out of a cannon in Mario is Bullet Bill, the bomb-bomb is different
Came here to see if anyone else already corrected them lol.
Made my morning with this! And a 6ARC cameo to boot! I just got a Howa Mini in 6ARC after binging Ryan’s carbon Howa episode an unhealthy amount of times.
😅
Ba Bomb was a Bomb. Bullet Bill's were the Bullets in Mario... just an FYI.
Life pro tip - Those 5.56 77gr Sierra Match Kings boat tail hollow points are also what you should be running in your shorty ARs, eg 10.3” 11.5” 12.5”. These rounds fú¢k out of SBRs where the 55gr M193 & 62gr M855 green tips don’t perform well terminally.
Don't forget states requiring the use of lead free ammo for hunting, that's a part of the push away from bonded bullets as well
Ref bonded bullets, my experience with .30 cal Accubonds vs Ballistic Tips is that with 165s & 180s Accubonds aren’t appreciably tougher at .308 Win & .30-06 speeds. Maybe the ABs pull away with the magnum .30 cal cartridges. On the flip side, IN MY RIFLES, factory Ballistic Tip loads typically shoot better than ABs. So for me as a non-magnum .30 cal shooter, my answer to the bonded bullet question is, “What’s the point?”
Swedish vs Italian meatballs for next season of spaghetti shootout
“Horse vs beef” fixed that for you lol
Depends on the sauce.
Flat base bullets have more bearing surface on the lands and grooves of the barrel. Is there a situation when that is adventitious? Maybe a barrel with high internal wear on it.
This was almost as long as standing in the corner for 10 minutes when I was a kid… but INFINITELY more interesting.
Best part of this podcast is cartridge talks. #changemymind
I am a big fan of bonded bullets, the federal fusion (or Speer Gold dot) especially. I believe these stand out from other bonded bullets because they are essentially an extremely thick electroplated jacked with an exposed tip, until the polymer tip Speer Impact. Federal and Speer can manufacture them this way because of their location in the PNW using cheaper power from the Columbia river dams. Other companies may use a process more similar to soldering to bond the jacket and core. I have personally sectioned bullets out of curiosity, and was shocked at the small size of the hornady interlock ring. The representation of the picture on the box is much more pronounced than in reality, although I have used interlocks to take deer with a 30-06. The jackets can separate from the core if you hit bone, something the fusions would not do. The fact that the interlock ring is used in the Interlock, SST, and ELD X lines means most of the innovation has been on the outside rather than the inside of their bullets. Great "10 min" talk thanks
Federal is adding a Tipped Fusion to the lineup. Will have awesome B.C.
Still waiting for 6.5 grendel vs. 6 arc cartridge battle
TRUTH!!!
6 ARC is better, 6.5 Grendel is debatably more available.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Both are interesting to me. Just due to what they bring to the AR-15 platform, without having to step up into the AR-10.
Used the Inter-Bond to take my Buffalo. Didn't like it dropping from Hornady's line up.
How about a cartridge talk on the 7x57 Mauser?
At normal hunting ranges, 300 yards or less, very hard to beat core lokts or power shoks. They will continue to do what they have done for years. Hunters are finally figuring this out!!!!
I tested cup and core vs bonded in 300 blk to see how it does as a whitetail cartridge. Amazing difference in the 2. Can see the test and results on RUclips God's Country shooting and outdoors. Love your channel guys!
Mark with the "FNG" bullets 🤣🤣🤣
This is what im talkin bout baby
The good old FMJ🙌 hunted with them in the 60’s for deer when they were all you could find during hunting season for hard to find cartridges. One if my dads best friends was friends with John Nosler in the 50’s and 60’s when they were in Ashland oregon and still can remember when my dad switched over to the good old Partitions!
How did the fmj's work for you? I had a friend who used them regularly. He said that he never had a problem. They are a lot easier to find than some other styles.
These guys crack me up🤣 this reminds me almost 60 years ago we were arguing the same thing only with the only caliber that would kill deer and elk🤣
My favorite part was Ryan and Jim spending 2 full minutes rearranging the boxes on the table! .35 Rem 10 Min. Talk!
I hunt mule deer with my
.300 Weatherby and use Barnes 180gr ttsx. Extremely effective and only one deer I’ve found a part of the bullet that broke off, it was a “quartering to” shot
While field dressing I found one pedal of the expanded bullet. Great bullets and will take down anything in North America
Also if you could expand on weatherby’s freebore and how a boat tail projectile might be affected by that freebore
Jim really fought off that yawn at 40:30.
🕵♂ In All Your Bullet and Cartridge Penetration Testing (Of Copper Bullets), Their is Something Important That You Missed in Your Evaluation! The Hardness of the Copper/Alloy Determines How Well the Bullet Opens Up and Penetrates! You May Remember That the 270 Wichester Copper Bullet Penetrated the Deepest, But Failed to Open and Tumbled on the First Shot? It is a "Balance" and Every Copper Bullet (of Various Manufacturers) is Made to a Different Hardness and Needs to Be Evaluated Accordingly! 👨🏫
I'll call BS around the 25 minute mark. OTMs can be very accurate and due to their oftenly high SD can have a good BC. With that said... Tipped rounds can produce fist sized groups at 1,000 and as a matter of the physics involved can have a higher BC than could be accomplished with an OTM.
The sharper the tip and the more gradual the ogive the better (assuming it's stable in flight).
I pulled 16 very distinct loads out of my ammo can. 8 different calibers. Only one was bonded, one partitioned, none homogeneous, half of them tipped. If I want to go “tougher”, just increase the weight and it expands like anything, but drives deeper. Didn’t discuss sectional density, which is a predictive of penetration across calibers. SD is a lost statistic that explains why a 140gr 6.5mm bullet penetrates the same as a 180gr .30 cal.