Jack the Ripper 101 w/ Donald Rumbelow - A True Crime History Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- The number of theories surrounding the Jack the Ripper murders in 1880s London are too staggering to mention. At least 200 suspects have been considered over the decades and spirited debate over his true identity has preoccupied the time of many a true crime history buff. Donald Rumbelow is my guest on this first Jack the Ripper episode of Most Notorious. He is a world renowned expert on the subject, and gives us an introduction to the infamous series of murders, and also discusses some of the primary suspects. His book "The Complete Jack the Ripper" has been the go-to manual for Ripperologists for 45 years.
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For anyone interested, there is an old program called The London Nobody Knows, hosted by the late James Mason. It is a fascinating look at a London that was being plowed under in the swinging sixties, and notable for a visit to 29 Hanbury St. before it was torn down, looking very much as it must have when Annie Chapman was murdered by Jack.
There's photo's of pubs Shakespeare wrote in just before being pulled down in the Victorian era. The whole district around the castle was pulled down in Nottingham in the 60s to put up concrete monstrosities. There's so much cultural vandalism in the name of progress happens to this day in the UK. The irony of pulling down houses in the east end is the streets that escaped the "progress" are highly prized by the same class of people who would have pulled them down in the 60s.
Thank you Ruth I will enjoy that as an expat. I will find and share with me ole mum 👍
I bought that DVD as soon as I heard about it and that few minutes of footage in 29 Hanbury St. is more evocative of that entire Victorian era than anything else I've ever seen. The programme itself is quite a fun look at the end of old London, but that scene is haunting and very chilling. Thanks for reminding us all about it here , Ms. Presti.
Just watched the Hanbury St. clip. Amazingly small space. I'd always thought it was a larger yard. Did he speak to the old dear living there? She must have known people with local insights from the time, although (guessing) born afterwards. I'm glad they got Mason to do it, significant gravitas. If they did it now it would be some over preened airhead or chinless wonder.
Anyone know where this can be found nowadays? I see short clips on RUclips. Would love to see the whole series.
The Stride/Eddows duo! Is it possible the first girl wasn’t as completely cut up because someone came along and interrupted his activity so he stopped. Since his sick plans were interrupted he had the strong urge to try again!🔪
Your presentation content and your professional patience in allowing the guest to explain is all to your credit.congratulations.take care .
Love his critical analysis. He is a true forensic detective. I hope i get to England next year and go on the tour with this great man.
I feel the same way. I’ve always wanted to go on the Ripper Tour, (corny and touristy as it may be!)
You d better hurry up. He s eighty years old
I think i have to get my tickets now. Good point Dave.
I did his tour about 4 years ago. It was great and recommend. He is NOT a sensationalist, but rather presents facts. Bought his book for 10 quid at tour conclusion and he happily signed it with a personal message. Will always remember it.
He not doing them any more due to his age.
Terrific show, you deserve so many more subscribers and views. Mr Rumbelow is the #1 expert on the case imo, so this episode is simply outstanding. Thank you! 😀
Rumbelow quotes Colin Wilson statement, "When Judgement day comes and all the masses are gathered , someone will call out for Jack the RIpper to identify himself. Some man will stand up and say his name and every one who ever researched the case will go "WHO?"
@@DonaldUndercoat If "many people know", he would have been arrested at the time. The fact that he wasn't shows that no one knew for certain at the time and no one knows for certain now either. There's no concrete evidence (or do you believe there is and it's been held back just to enable the JTR cottage industry to keep going??), so it's all just theory and supposition.
Very good comment👍 although all will be made known
@@DonaldUndercoat I doubt that we will ever know for sure,
@@DonaldUndercoat There are not secret documents on the Killings . All are open to researchers and there is not much there
Gathered vs gather, researched vs research
Your series of videos is very good. Amazed that you have so few subs and views.
I love Donald Rumbelow. Had the pleasure of meeting him and going on a tour with him in Whitechapel. Such a gentleman! He found out that night that “Old Bolly”s first name was Harry and that he “just wanted to be part of it” which was why he rode his bike by Donald’s tours shouting insults every night.
There is a theory that Kosminski's family and police surveillance kept him under wraps for two years before eventually having him permanently committed. There is also the possibility of a private committal by his family for part of that time.
Charles Allen lechmere looks possible to me.
ruclips.net/video/9v_XkreYZ-c/видео.html
No... just a terribly disingenuous documentary.
@@beniteztheconman regardless of the documentary, Charles Allen lechmere is a good candidate.
I was wondering if he'd discuss Lechmere.
@@beniteztheconman Ed Stow only pushing Cross coz his wife a relation
Every point they both made about Cross/Lechmere being Ripper there loads more 2 prove he NOT
Great podcast. I did the Jack the Ripper tour with Donald Rumbelow in September 1999. Great fun.
I did same tour in Dec 2009. Still think about it
It wasn't t fun for the five women
@@davidhallett8783 Riiiight. Probably because they did the 1888 tour instead, hey?
@@adamholloway3423 🤣🤣🤣👍 think david is abit weird
@@davidhallett8783 obviously not captain obvious😳
You are a fantastic piano player. Bravo!
The song is called "The Executioner's Rag", and the composer and musician Todd Perley.
Thanks very much indeed.
@@MostNotorious
Love the ragtime piece.
Thanks for naming it.
@@MostNotorious i listen while at work. Great channel
What's the source for the claim that Kelly's intestines were put on hooks? Far as I know, nobody else has ever said this.
CHARLES CROSS is top of my list
ruclips.net/video/9v_XkreYZ-c/видео.html
I think so too, Charles Allen Lechmere/Cross. Pretty suspicious!
He is not even on my list. Zero evidence apart from one awful documentary.
@@beniteztheconman dude you gotta let that documentary go. The inquest itself and research into lechmeres life is pretty compelling. I don't think that swedish guy had ANY clue and was just grasping at straws but he may have found a needle in that haystack because lechmere/cross looks really good for Jack. Yes he may have been at work for the second murder(actual second murder, for some reason that documentary refers to Polly Nichols as "the second murder" when she was obviously the first) but maybe not because it was a Saturday and I cant find what time he started on Saturdays literally anywhere. Or what his delivery route was so we can't know if he was in the area as part of his route. Past that though he really raises suspicion with his behaviour around Polly Nichols death. None of it makes sense.
@@heathcliffO_o he was far from every murder...also serial killers dont go on insane murder frenzies and then continue on their way to work..
You deserve more subscribers. Great podcast.
Thank you!
An excellent summation of the topic of the ripper and it's very interesting story, with the real events, which of course, inseparable! Gonna be a blue moon this time, mishter lusk!;
Kosminski doesn't go out the window. He was identified by someone at the Met Polices Seaside Home. However, due to the witness being Jewish, just alike to Kosminski - he failed to testify. Shortly after this he was monitored by the Police 24/7. He would have known this, insane or not. He wouldn't have been able to commit murder after this, as he realised Police suspected him as the Ripper, and just needed him to make another move... But of course, this is from word of mouth from one of the Ripper murders most senior detectives.
It's all hogwash.
A Jewish witness who was not prepared to testify against a fellow Jew wouldn't have come forward in the first place.
There is no evidence that Kosminski was under surveillance or identified as anything other than an imbecile.
Inspector Abberline said he had no idea who the murderer was; Sir Robert Anderson said the same, until he suddenly remembered many years later that it was definitely Kosminski and Swanson filled in the details, all of which turn out to have been wrong.
It just occurred to me why the killer was able to so easily evade police. If he was a local man who worked at least partially at night he would know from observation when they would be on patrol in a given area, and just made sure when he struck there would be the lowest chance of being caught.
Lechmere's walking routes to work?
@@lyndoncmp5751 its lechmere for me👍
@@johnnytrigger5512 I agree , however, another author says, if you’re new to the ripper mystery then thats who you would choose as the ripper
I’m sure the victims helped him find the nicest, darkest, most secluded spots in which to be strangled and disemboweled.
@@bastymanguy it’s obviously george Chapman.
Sad he does not do them anymore. I wanted so bad to meet him. I understand however. I wish him well.
Reckon the name was derived from ' Spring heeled Jack' personally.
"Jack" was a common name, slang name then.
This really helps cause I have to do a podcast for my assessment task so thank you
The Ruling Class was a great movie. ❤
I enjoyed the version of the mortuary assistant as Jack the Ripper, familiar with the location of body parts and organs as he had witnessed
many autopsies when the doctor came to perform them, acquainted with police as he was considered lucky to always seem to be able to
avoid their ever changing tactics of the police planned route. They could put specimens in jars of alcohol for medical students, he had access
to the types of knives used. He suffered from tuberculosis & had to give up his job, became weak and consigned to bed, may have tried one
last murder which followed the same pattern, but he was unable to push the knives to the same depth so they said it was not Jack the Ripper.
I don't know how factually accurate this version is but it seems to dot the 'I's and cross the T's, A good yarn!
There's nothing glamorous or romantic about Jack the ripper or his murders. He was a horrible mean, evil creepy sex murderer who didn't get caught because science hadn't caught up to his crimes yet . I think the movies use him as a villain , because he represents the worst of humanity, and the horror that an individual can do to another human.
He never committed any sex acts on his victims
@@mathewlawton8944 no he didn't but he took out their sexual organs so I think it was to do with sex. Killing women is about sex. The killer does not have to rape the victims.
@@deniseelsworth7816 A sex act meaning he penetrated were sexual meaning he got turned on by the act so there is a difference.
"The day was quite ruined."
We've looked at Lechmere, but John paul also looks a bit sus to me too. Could they have been in cahoots?
Zero evidence on either.
@@beniteztheconman zero evidence on all the suspects👍
Check out the 3 ripper thoery, a team
ruclips.net/channel/UCrXgAUoOgcqTAvQzyJNNL7wvideos
I suppose it's common for two people murdering a woman in the street to go and look for a policeman.
Where is your proof that kozminski. Was guilty?
I think it was Francis Tumblety and I think Donald might concur.
Lechmere/cross but who is John paul ?
Robert Paul. The guy who came along and saw Lechmere lingering by the body of Nichols.
If lechmere/cross is indeed jack the ripper. Can they try him for murder in absentia? I know his relatives are not guilty but can you try a person after they are deceased for murder?
What is this obsession about lechmere? One terrible doc made by some swedish nobody?
There is literally ZERO evidence linking him to the murders.
Actually it's a fascination to solve an almost unsolvable crime. Involving jack the ripper.
Accused has the right to defend themselves so I wouldn't think it would have any legal standing.
Statute of murder is 99yeas 364days
@@beniteztheconman I've asked both Swedish bloke n Edward Stow how he killed Chapman when he was at work.
I've point out how Stride wasn't Ripper.
How did he kill Mary Kelly going 2 work on 9th when it was a public holiday.
This bit pissed them off, when I point out that Miller's Court's was nowhere near his route from his mother's where they said he went on Sunday's and public holidays.
Could it have been a cop?
That is what I've always thought. It seems with all the news and rage surrounding the murders- women would be very cautious about going off with just anybody. But, I would think they wouldn't fear a policeman.
Has anybody that was ever accused of being jack the ripper ever written a diary confessing to being jack the ripper?
Have a look at James maybrick
@@kimbarber9605 that was faked.
Whitechapel was such a poor area that there were no jobs for women to do. If queen Victoria cared more about the women then about her inner circle maybe jack the ripper would have been caught. Rich people Only seem to care about themselves first before they think of others. I am not trying to upset the rich. I am just thinking that by the time queen Victoria did do anything it really didn't do any good. It's like if you live in Whitechapel you fend for yourself. But would it have helped if they had forensics like they have now? It might of but then again jack the ripper was so sneaky that I still don't think they would of caught him.
Who was Rumbelow's suspect?
As far as I know , he never come out for any one in particular.
His books do a great job disproving that the most popular suspects could not have done it.
4 30 you could buy one of these women for thruppence tuppence or a loaf of stale bread. He says this phrase IN EVERY INTERVIEW he has done for the last twenty years
Must like the Idea.
Every time I type in something on this damn phone it corrects my spelling even though I am typing it in right. It even tells me I am spelling my own name wrong. I am sorry but I know how to spell my own name. Stupid phone!
so turn of auto spell
Have you been smoking drugs? Or always this random
I love her randomness. People like her are the ones I want to be around...🤣😂
Who is John paul?
The man who found lechmere bent over a very fresh body in the street
The best author I've read isn't rumbelow it is bruce robinson they all love jack'.. robinson discredited rumbelow and with good reason.. rumbelow and the ripperologists have just been believing that charles warren co. We're honest men when it came to detecting jack..they weren't robinson blows them all away..he backs up every thing he says with what's called evidence..sad that rumbelow is still hanging on with his theory's which don't seem to be researched properly I've read Donald's book years ago..I wonder if he read they all love jack' if he did I don't think he would admit it.
The reasons why rumbelow & co still persist is stated by Robinson. They are the protectorate over the ‘Mystery’ legacy of the case. They don’t want a main suspect. The real mystery being why we have the case still unsolved........
As for reading his book, I couldn’t agree more. For instance, why is it you are one of only 2 other people than myself I’ve seen commenting on JTR videos that mention ‘they all love jack’? They don’t want to say anything abt it because he’s, as Bruce says, “Nailed the Bastard!!!”
if the diary is false which it is Robinsons case falls apart - Robinson had to start somewhere he picks this journal and off he goes - it has all the makings of a Holywood blockbuster complete with Florence being the reason for the murders - Mary Kelly would be green with envy .
This is very interesting. I just couldn't finish it with all his stammering. I know he can't help it, but it's too distracting for me.
It was James Kelly.
It was Ted Cruz' daddy!
Donald the trump
Jack wasn't much cop when compared to the likes of Israel Keyes or Ted Bundy. Jack was a disorganized attacker with no real M.O. in this day and age he would have been well on his way to Wakefield after Annie Chapman, if not before
Not “mutters”, murders. Mistype!
Too many ads.
James and Michael maybrick it was
No .
Nope.
I also wish to know if and what he thinks about H.H.holmes being Jack the ripper.
Couldn’t have been Holmes. That’s just a myth perpetrated to sell books. There are lots of legal records that place Holmes in Chicago at the time of the Ripper murders.
Movies hardly ever tell the truth. They are scary and entertaining. I think if jack the ripper was not lechmere/cross . it must of been a police officer or a sadistic person vent on killing no matter what. A meat slaughterer.
'Jack the Ripper' is 3 different killers.
Painters usually don't kill they just create. If they have time to paint they paint. Killing sounds like it's messy. Why would somebody want to destroy women when women are our mothers. Our daughters. Our aunt's. Our grandmother's. Our nieces. Our cousins. Women take care of others. Why destroy those whom care for people?
If it was Lechmere I'm given to believe his mother was a bigamist and had 2\3 husband's die (of natural causes, not uncommon then). He had an unhealthy attachment to her and would essentially take it out on the prostitutes when the mother took up with a new man. A little boy in a grown ups body taking a jealous hissy fit with terrible consequences essentially.
Not all mothers are the paragons of virtue and caring that you are describing.
@@juliao1255 very well said👍
So many victims r killed throughout time . Different men have killed them through time.
Aunts vs aunt's, grandmothers vs grandmother's.
He didn't give much information about the liz stride murder to try and make it sound insignificant to get with his theory of it not being a jack the ripper killing. I don't know how anyone can say that it's not considering the sheer coincidence of another prostitute being murdered 40 mins later and it just so happens to be 40 mins away from where stride was! Had it been 40 mins later but would have taken him over an hour say to get from the first murder site to the 2nd or it took place a few hours afterwards thrn fair enough but he was obviously interrupted, the pony shied because it knew there was a man hurting a women and once he realised he was disturbed he hid up against a wall or in a doorway hoping not to be seen. The guy lit a match for a second nowhere near enough light to see all around him and then left to go to the club to get help, this gave him time to get away, obviously all aroused and full of blood list to do his ripping, the urge was so great but he was also clever enough to know that the met police would be all out looking for him so he went into the city jurisdiction! What are the odds on that! He did all the previous ones in the east end and then just suddenly goes to the city and at sane time someone else has done a murder of a prostitute in the area he normaly operates in.... Come on. Rumbelow even starts the interview taking about how few murders there actually were in London, so for this to happen is not a coincidence it's first of all a lucky escape or unlucky interruption from Jack's point of view I guess and then planning takes place in the eddows case. Also whoever he was he knew the area very well indeed! He'd have been familiar with police beat walks and times etc, almost certainly a local man or else wasn't local by birth but came to live in the area and got to know it inside out, perhaps working in a job that made him travel around the area such as a delivery man or a cab driver.
Stride knife wounds were different stride only 1 killed South of Whitechapel Road.
On the 30th a prostitute was killed in West End. Was she Ripper?
Coz there a killing on same day don't mean they linked dose it.
Look at the Eddows murder if he killed Stride then he have blood on his clothes n with a murderer on the loose Eddows wouldn't have gone with him.
Look at the discretions
I agree on the whole except that Berner Street and Mitre Square were not 40 minutes' walk apart.
The distance between them was less than a mile.
@@mathewlawton8944 I don't think he would have had any blood on his clothes just from that.
@@philipskalla4312 They all say the if she was killed B4 Cross found her there would have been blood about, due to the clothes soaking up the blood points to her being killed earlier than they say
Who's Ronald Dumbelow?
Tumblety was too old, too tall, and Littlechild's words about him smack of grasping at straws.
I m collecting money to send donald rumbelow for treatment to stop saying at 4 28. tuppence thruppence or a loaf of stale bread. He says that phrase in E V E R Y INTERVIEW he does about jack there are about four or five here on youtube won t you help this poor man
Refreshing to see that nobody is blaming Donald Trump for once.
No you yankees F I N A L L Y came to your senses and elected anybody but the beast who s got 666 under that candy floss on his head. MORE IMPEACHMENT NEWS TO FOLLOW. now will he relinquish the presidency or refuse to step down
@@davehallett3128 He doesn't have to officially do anything. And he won't. Doesn't matter though. Biden will take office legally and officially either way and move into the White House on January 20.
bidens a sad, sad joke.
Snatcher
WAS Jack The Ripper's name a newspaper/tabloid invention? What about JAmes MaybriCK? The supposed JTR diary was found and the usual experts mostly discounted it and then later sd the diary could very well NOT be a hoax. The pressure was so intense on the man who was given the diary that he and his wife recanted and sd yes we wrote it ad it's a hoax, but then the man to whom it was given recanted that story and sd the diary is for real. These experts never even mention Maybrick as a possible suspect but he wanted vengeance against his cheating wife (tho he himself carried on with other women) to the point of having her tried for poisoning him when he himself was taking arsenic daily in small quantities.
More investigation must be done, ask ppl to come forward with the stolen papers and offer them money or have them auction them off and let the Ripperologists have a go. As to Stride, Rumbelow is a fine investigator but to put Stride off as not a JTR victim is ridiculous - he even says it IS a Jack murder in this one. None of the experts mention that Mary Kelly's door was locked from inside but it IS in the Maybrick diary. Dr. Thomas Cream sd at his own hanging 'I am Jack...' and his sentence was cut off as he swung from the gallows. But he may have been in prison at the time of some of the murders or may have bribed his way out in time to do them.
Yes, Rumblelow can be as stubborn and stuck on his own conclusions as...a stale loaf of bread.
Rumblelow is quite a fine historical crime "expert" imo. He did state in This interview he did not believe Stride was a JTR victim, he only continues to name her as part of the generally accepted canonical five. Why do you believe "to put Stride off as not a JTR victim is ridiculous"? Israel Schwatz says it may have been two men acting in concert, and that one of them yelled "Lipsky". That seems like a strange thing for the Ripper to have done just prior to murdering Stride. What, his anti-semitism took precedence over his desire to murder and mutilate a woman? I think not. And if it was the other man with the pipe, could he have not yelled it to warn his partner who was in the act of assailing Stride that there was a witness?
I'm NO Ripperologist, and these are just my thoughts on the matter, but there are inconsistencies between this murder and the others. I'll have to do some looking, but wasn't the murder weapon also purported to be dissimilar in length and perhaps appearance to that employed by the Ripper formerly, and in fact, from that used just 40 min time later in Mittre Sq? I Know for certain that the cuts to her neck were not as deep as his other victims who were nearly decapitated. That can't be explained away simply by him being disturbed; two cuts are two cuts, they'd take the same amount of time...only the amount of force used would change, correct?
Have you actually read Michael Barretts confession? It's pretty convincing. casebook.org/suspects/james_maybrick/mb-con.bjan5.html
I too believed Maybrick was the Ripper until I dug a bit further. So this was Very Disappointing to me.
Gang crime
No
Do you know the difference between a stammer and a stutter? This is a stammer!
Jack was a soldier. He had syphilis. He knew at least two of the victims. Martha Tabram was a victim.
Yeah you knew him? How old r you now then?
@@deniseelsworth7816 his method of killing is the same as a soldier. I was a paratrooper in the US Army. Note the victims had two cuts to the throat. He was never heard. The victims were seen at inns that had soldiers many soldiers. I believed he served in India. Do you want the morbid details.
@@henochparks that's very interesting. Yes after following this subject I can stand the gory details. I won't ever stake all my bets on any suspects yet. We just don't have the information and too much time has past. So tell me more.
@@deniseelsworth7816 It goes without saying Jack was angry with women. Very angry. These women were women of the night. Why them? I suspect a woman caused him sever harm. A woman of the night that was emotionally close. What kind of harm? Harm that was making him insane. The year is 1888. What kind of harm could make him so insane from a woman of the night? Syphilis. A common source of insanity. What was the cure? Mercury! Does Mercury cause insanity? Absolutely!! The combination would drive him completely mad. If Jack was in his late 30s when did he get the disorder? It must be in his final stage. That means he was very young when he contracted it. Most likely at birth. Thus the woman of the night who gave him the disease was his mother. Why was she so poor? If we deduct Jack's age we get late 1840s early 1850s at the time of his birth. The same period the mass migration of starving Irish poured into White Chapel. Jack was used to blood, and killing. Why? I suspect he was a soldier like many Irish or poor from Wales. End of part one.
@@henochparks excellent theory. One of the best I have heard. I can't find any holes in what you have said. Now we've got to find which soldier. Ì do strongly think he was local so most likely born in the area at least. Worth people looking in the records.
Jack the Ripper was Arthur Doyle
The Ripper was Maybrick folks…. Case closed
Which one? And no, I don't believe Bruce Robinson's convoluted theory. Neither Maybrick brother really strikes me as solid frankly.
An ‘expert’ that dosent question Charles cross hmm.
Because it wasn’t him.. It was Maybrick
@@johnjones-eu1rv you must be joking 😂
@@ryanwilson368 The only JtR suspect who could actually be charged… A confession diary containing information only the killer would have known
He's the first person Rumberlow is asked about hmm .
So many holes in this guys history research... one example, he said Mary Kelly was facing the window but she wasn't... she was facing the front door (presumably greeting whoever entered) which can be verified with a simple google search as this was the very first forensic photograph in the world. Get your facts straight Rumbelow...
The evidence is that Kelly was stabbed from behind, so she was greeting anyone in front of her.
The guest's stuttering makes listening very tedious.
What absolute twaddle
rumbelow is hard to listen to with all his stuttering.
Have you considered that he might actually have a stutter? not an awful lot you can do about it.
The guy is 80, cut him some slack.
Yes yes yes yes yes it it it yes yes it it yes it is
Always interested in this type of crime. I am sickened by it, yet intrigued. It is difficult as a nurse who saves lives to understand the motives behind these crimes. I am saddened by the situations in which these women find themselves. It is a real tragedy!❤️🩹☠️