BOBCAT vs JCB TELESKID || SKIDLOADER || LORD MUCK
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- We take a look at the Bobcat T650 vs the JCB Teleskid tracked skidsteer loaders.
There are other manufacturers such as Case, John Deere, Kubota and New Holland but the Bobcat is the one that sets the standard.
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JCB or Bobcat ?
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Excellent video Lord Muck!
Thank you Nick, glad you enjoyed it !
Always thought the JCBs looked like a robot or a toy. Never took it serious. Then I tried one earlier this year. I couldnt believe how much better the view is. I was COMPLETELY shocked. Ill never buy any other machine.
As a Concrete contractor and a bobcat owner for 25 years, multi machines, multi sizes, I wouldn't switch. That jcb would never stand up to the trauma of tear out or have the capability of hydraulic attachments. We don't run doors for 7 months of the year, so we can get in and out with the arms up. Each machine serves certain customers is all that I see
That's exactly right Matt, that's why folks should try these machines to see which one works best for them.
I own a bobcat but have looked at the jcb. JCB claims the use more steel in their boom than any of the competitors. They also give a guarantee on that boom for life. No one eles is doing that. They seem to be very confident of this boom design. I have welded countless cat and bobcat booms, they fail regularly. I have noticed JCB doesn't have a good resale value, bobcat and cat do better there. Bobcat switched from the kubota to a doosan engine as doosan bought bobcat out, so we will see if they remain as popular and reliable as they have been. Cat is way over rated in my opinion
We use our jcb for concrete work. It holds up great. It's an amazing machine for concrete work acctually. And we are rougher on that jcb that anyone could ever ever imagine. I'll never ever ever ever run a bobcat again. This jcb is absolutly amazing. Unbelieveable acctually.
Very good comparison! I could really have done with one of those today shifting stone in a wet field!
How comparable are they on price, much difference between the Bob and the JCB?
When you spec them both the same (JCB comes fully loaded as standard) there's not much in it.
Great for hay! Time will tell if the one arm bandit will make it.
Cranes and excavators have been using the same tech for years, as long as you don't overload it should be fine. Any machine, if operated within the design parameters, will last, given maintenance.
How much is the JCB
Good video very informative I'm thinking about looking into JCB myself ASV is good and unique itself on count of the track system
The end of this video was a load of SHIT!!!! well in reality it was but hay all jokes aside this little teliskid looks awesome.. i use my CT332 john deere all the time and i can see how this would be way nicer... i have been trapped in the cab by hay before its a pain in the ass... lift the boom spin around at high speed and it flies off to the side busting the hydraulic mounts and the bale in the process.... backstops are key to stopping that from happening. oh one more thing!!!! why would anyone lift 4 tons?? or run with it alll the way up on uneven ground???? BECAUSE WE CAN!!!!!lol hahahahahahah
You don't get any better Wes ! Yes it was a load of shit and old straw !
You know someone will always try and go that bit further with any machine.
I'm you guy for that lol!!!
@@LordMuck
Excellent review kurt. And well put together look forward to the next.👍
It's a great machine, better than the Bobcat, but over here Jcb you can't get parts for them.
You addressed one of my biggest fears with most skidsteers, being trapped in the cab due to whatever. Electronic failure, fire, load shifting, etc. The thought of crawling out the back window over a hot possibly burning engine compartment is scary. The JCB is a definite improvement !
JCB has side, rear AND front exit panels.
I'm a bobcat fan boy, that being said that jcb seems to be a nice machine, I'd definitely like to see one with 3000 plus hrs on it.
It's a no brainer ,the JCB does everything the bobcat does and ten times more,we used it to lift a cow that had gone down ,we weren't on top of her the way we would have been with the Bobcat that extended boom is the game changer
How farms work just got a JCB for a month trial. I bet Ryan's thoughts might be like yours.
Awesome comparison video. New sub here. Did you buy the JCB?
No, we were just comparing machines.
@@LordMuck we tried out a JCB like that but it didn't have the teleboom.
I’ve put thousands of hours on one of the biggest skidsteers ever built, the 975 Clarke Bobcat. 14,000lbs wet. One thing I can tell you about them running them almost of my life is no manufacturer builds them like those 975 and 980’s were built. 35,000-40,000 hours on them and still going.
The jcb wins hands down because of its telescopic forks x door access. BUT lord mucks just there to compare .A very non judgemental review of both mackines .
I think that JCB Teleskid would be great for my landscape business. We have 2 Bobcat machines and have treated us well. But that Teleskid would really help get into tight spaces and avoid damaging any existing plants and materials(curbs, pavers, tile, etc.)
Great comparison. I drive skidsteers quite a bit and I do like the JCB design but I've never got into one yet. Heard the wheeled ones have h habit of scrubbing the osr tyre. Do you think they would go any better with a straight pipe 🤣🤣
Great vid my friend Bobcat makes a fine machine but this vid and compare is clearly JCB Is the blue ribbon!!
I like the JCB Design, they have got some great ideas. Agreed -- that fuel port location is terrible though. I think when you are loading rocks and dirt into a truck, theres a good chance you could break the bobcats windshield should a rock dance along the edge of the dump truck bed and come back down on you. The JCB had some sort of rock-armor grid on the front windshield to protect against rocks. I also like being able to lift the boom to a few feet off the ground load the back of a pickup and then get out of the cab to unsecure / secure loads. Can't do that with the bobcat because the boom has to be all the way down to get out. You can Remote Control the T-650, but that's a $10,000 dollar add on accessory. Would have been nice to show the costs involved with 500/1000 hour maintenance for each machine. If you get a chance check out the Diverto from the Netherlands.
I would imagine there would be significant bucket twist when digging with the JCB.
The headstock is extremely well built and has a flared web design to counteract twist.
Would be interesting to see one after a few thousand hours.
Sounding like a broken record here but they guarantee the boom for life. But I am with you I would like to see one with hours on it. If you look on the internet it seems the JCB is plaqued with problems and isn't making it to high hours. That said I have not heard of any boom issues, it is all engine trouble
I would love to hear from a mechanic that wrenches on these for a living..
Hey Ryan, I work with the dealer out of Central Califorina, CCP JCB. We cant keep these in stock!
I assemble the JCB skidsteer in Savannah
@@petercaughran8767 I was thinking of a teleskid and the.main equipment running would.be a mulcher, do you see any issues
@@stevenbrooks6669 The Hi Flo shuts off when the boom is extended. Dealer told me the use the non teleskid for mulching. They have a forestry package.
A really good video with some clear thinking based on actual usage and experience. I really appreciate the fair handed appraisal.
The JCB just seems so much more versatile. Great review.
Well done, sir. Well done.👍
We have had our Bobcat near on 15 years and it has been the most practical and in expensive piece of kit we have owned. What we have got out of her compared to what we have put in eg maintenance ect is literally phenomenal.
JCB skid steer for sure pretty good machine bobcat skid steers are ok
Hi, I work for jcb Tc harrisons and have tested the design and features in the yard, I can only see one problem with jcb and that it’s very sensitive but never the lest powerful and quick. There are 3 different speed modes on it to control speed with a further “rabbit mode” to go even quicker. The servicing looks easy to access ( yippee for me ) but then the engine work is quite covered up, however the cab winds up (like the teletruck) giving the best access for the hydraulic motor and valve block for changing hoses if they get worn down but over all it’s a good machine and the heater is bloody awesome on it !
The control sensitivity parameters can be altered by the laptop program.
@@LordMuck you should be able to adjust the sensitivity of the controls on the fly on the top right hand display.
Yes you can with the 3 modes but each of these can be altered and set further by the laptop connection to give even better control.
The only difference of choosing a regular type skid is if you're doing some serious break out digging work. The traditional style would be more suited for that
nice video. excellent design by JCB to try a side boom & side door. i was almost expecting a biased view/review towards 1 or the other. so i liked how it was balanced between the 2 machines. people can tell when a product is trying to be pushed. infomercials are notorious for that. anyways, i bet other manufacturers are shooting themselves for not thinking up the extendable boom concept.
Back in the early 2000's when I first learned of the old Robots, I wondered how long it would take them to come up with this machine.
Can I love both of them? :)
As a JCB owner, I will never own a “normal” skid steer again. For farm use, the JCB Teleskid is handy as can be compared to the regular style we had prior to it
Matt, could you expand on that a little and say why ?
Both share alot of components(mcr hydraulic motors for drive of tracks) made by bosch Well made stuff, I work there and they invest heavily in quality tooling fixturing...
I like the design of jcb’s skid steer but I like bobcat better cause they oppress more compact and good for where I am using it
Aye we have a bobcat on wheels ther a good job
Great review
Shopping for a skid steer atm and this helped
Bloody good video Kurt, a really good and subjective review.
As someone who has only ever run bobcat machines i could see pleanty of advantages to jcb's offering particularly on a dairy farm.
All my experience is in Bobcats and if I had say in a new piece it would more than likely be JCB for the entry and extension....game changers for me!
The visibility and safety and the ability to get out of the JCB at any time even when the arm is up just in case you have to go to the loo
Nice honest review. I've serviced and used Bobcats but I like the features of the JCB.
JCB has some nice advantages to it. The side access which would be really nice and the zoom boom. Also compared to the kubota the heating cooling duct work in the came looks way nicer
Glad you've watched it Kev as you can see any advantages/disadvantages with both maxhines.
Nice comparison
Cheers Steeevey !
From all the countless videos i have watch on youtube from My favorit youtubers and all the rumours i have heard about bobcat they seem to spend more time in the workshop then working
seems like the load carrying capacity would be greatly reduced the further you reach out. if your working with heavy materials. i could see the telescopic feature not being very useful. i would also be worried about durability if you do much digging. certainly a interesting useful design though
Close in the JCB can lift over a ton and a half, fully extended, it can still lift (and manoeuvre) with 3/4 of a ton !
I did just that and it was as steady as a rock.
@@LordMuck that is a lot more weight capacity fully extended than i would have expected.
That's the safe working load and I tried just under 3/4 of a ton up in the air manoeuvring on level ground left, right, back, forwards and it was incredibly stable.
Working on drilling rigs using a JCB forklift with telescopic booms did have great advantages working in heights. The huge drawback is when the boom is elevated it become a huge field of view blocker and if there isn’t any one around for directions it can become quite a deterrent.
its nice with the telescopic boom you can reach across a truck to pick up stuff unlike a normal fork lift where you have to go around to the other side.
We’re toying with the idea of something different from our Bobcat S570 at the moment. When it comes to unloading straw and hay bales, we are limited by the S570 in reach height and reach distance. Our telescopic wheel loader can reach across the wagon and unload from one side (but it’s always in the field doing the loading).
Do you know, would the telescope be able to reach across to the far side of the wagon to pick bales?
Yes, however get one on demo and see if it meets your needs
I was going to question the torsion on the boom being offset... but it looked like it handled it flawlessly without any sort of flexing
Nice comparison. I've never been in a skidsteer yet but can see the advantages of the jcb design. I watch an American channel the other day and he was talking about the expense and wear comparison between wheel and tracked loaders.
The jcb offers more than the bobcat but bobcat have their fans but I find jcb have taken operator safety into account and comfort/ space and ease of access
What kind of idiot distributor puts a sticker right in front of your line of sight on the windshield like that? Like, is your company so important that it should stand in the way of an operator being able to see something?
That's my only complaint. Really enjoyed the video, and didn't even know JCB made telescopic track loaders! Thanks for taking the time to make this.
I know exactly what you're saying but strangely enough, when sat in the cab it didn't actually come into view.
Camera made it look worse.
Glad you enjoyed the vid !
Enjoy your channel and thanks to That Chipper Guy for suggesting your site, Merry christmas
John is one of my favourite RUclipsrs, a real gentleman.
Glad to have you along.
@@LordMuck great video Sir! Thanks to onelonelyfarmer, I found you.
why dont just buy a cheap wheel loader
On general work that's a good point but a lot of skidsteers are used in confined spaces and buildings. It's a case of the right tool for the job.
A skid steer will do what a cheap wheel loader will do but a wheel loader will not do what a skid steer will do. I damn sure wouldn't own both.
Because that's not the point..
Excellent video. Thanks for taking time out putting it together. We just bought a new John Deere 330g and we love it we did demo many different machines. Have a great day
Looks like skid steer world maybe changing!
I've had two Bobcats both were good machines but I'm impressed with what JBC is doing !!!
Looks a bit of a game changer the JCB. I'd like to see how well they hold up after a couple of thousand hours. If the x series excavators have had reliability and build quality issues of previous models addressed, then I hope it's a trend that continues with every JCB product. My boss took delivery of 10 new 3cx's and have been plagued with problems. I'm currently on a JZ141 that refused to start after 216hrs. Such a shame because I 've been a big fan of JCB from a young age. I really hope they sort themselves out soon....
i find the jcb control levers big and cumbersome I used an older 06 ag spec 536 60 and the lever was similar but was mounted at the same level as the operator's thigh witch I actually found was very comfortable and intuitive
The Bobcat levers are even bigger !
JCB for the win!
What would really be impressive would be improved access to the engine. It could be done so easily. Try putting out an engine fire sometime!
Молодец Мужик! Классный обзор! Был-бы ещё на русском вообще было-бы класс. И так то-же класс.
Спасибо
Yup bratan
Between myself and my son, I think we have had about 8 or maybe 9 bigger bobcats, but you really have made me think the JCB is an improvement. The big thing, would be the Price, and the dependability of the dealer. You didn't mention the Horsepower of the Bobcat, and I'd like to see more demo of the digging ability/breakout force of both. Then, another thing, would be
the interrelationship with attachments such as a hammer, planer, or broom. A single boom gets a lot of stress, don't you think?
I doubt it gets a lot of stress since the single bo is almost quite as thick as the traditional dual boom
I have owned Bobcats for 50 years. I have operated them all. As far as I can see they are all good when they run.
The newest machine I own is a 2007. I keep them maintained faithfully. I have run some new machines and hate them all. Mostly because of the so called sophisticated controls ( electric over hydraulic. According to a certain manufacturer, the wiring harnesses at the control levers fatigue and break. The cost to repair it is $350.00 ish.
So, I want mechanical controls, if I lose a linkage pin it's easy to fix.
Bottom line is I want to pull a lever and know it will work rather than push a button and hope it works.
Yes Paul, the knowledge that the lever is in direct control is very reassuring ! Electronics for better or worse are a sign of modern times.
I'm not a fan of the electric over hydraulic myself. I can finesse the levers exactly as I please with the older machines and the newer ones seem too quick for me. I know on the CAT machine my boss has it's hard for me to operate the arms and buckets at just the right speed.
The hard part is figuring out which darn wire harness is bad! Those things are everywhere in these new machines
Hah, OLF spoke of this in his video, and now it is on my recommended!
Thanks for the video.
That JCB looks cool
Crackin video , simple and logical explanation and demonstration.
Hell yes at last an English youtuber doing great videos, I love Americans (sorry but not sorry if ya dont like it) but its great to see some good content from the UK, just subscribed and going to recommend you to some friends too.
the only down side i have found with one arm loaders is that when your scraping it will try to dig in more on one side and its harder on the arm
Great video, very informative! Good side by side comparison. What are the prices of The two machines that you showed? And I like the comment on the 3-4 Ton 😂
Glad you enjoyed it Philip
I am a JCB man so there’s no surprise that the JCB is the best
Cheers, that was a fascinating comparison between two capable machines 👍
Thanks for the video. Lot of good points we just bought a new John Deere 330g and we like it very much. We have a push ramp to load hi trailers.
That's the good thing about the telescopic boom - you can load anywhere at anytime without a ramp.
Im curious why they didnt make the jcb tilt back farther to lift higher.
Good reminder there at the end, Kurt, of how much shit you have to wear using a machine that doesn't telescope. Thanks for posting!
Nice comparison today, thank you!
Enjoyed that. Thought the JCB was a bit of a gimmick but having watched the whole lot it has a lot of positives.
Spent a few summers on my uncles farm driving a bobcat great machine the loader was worked using footpedals.
Try avant loaders more popular in the uk than skissteers avant tecno
Yes we hope to look at one soon.
I've operated both machines and if I was going out with my own money to buy one I'd go for the jcb all day its just a better machine to spend time in and being telescopic is a huge advantage.
Out of the two J C B all the way buy British.
That was a good point on the bobcat fuel filler position. Too many operators that work on the idea of "if it starts and goes then why check it?" Idea. A good comparison, thank you.
JCB IS THE KING 🔥
Im sure on the farm between the cows that JCB comes out on top but in my line of work (demolition) i swear by the Bobcat :)
How can we set you up with a demo? It never hurts to see what else is out there
Good video. I like the JCB more after watching your video. I am claustrophobic and would feel better with the side door
That teleboom would be handy in every scenario I can think of... unfortunately we don't have any JCB dealers in our area which has always been a shame many times in the past
So you think it justifies the cost difference though?
The Jcb is a great machine but you will have to pay more for it.. get what you pay for.
As an experienced real world construction worker .ie done a lot of machine work .spent six months trying to get a 1cx and it was the best money I spent . Let's dig 18 said Jcb means just crap British ?. Shows how much he knows about diggers .ps I've worked as a banks man for ten years before operate ting a machine . ?love the mix of your vids.
I work every day on Bobcats,JCB's,and Takeuchi skidsteer loaders and tracked mini diggers,its my job.And let me tell you that bobcat is junk compared to JCB and Takeuchi.And Takeuchi is more refined and slightly more capable than JCB as well
In what way do you consider bobcat junk? Quality? Ease of repair?
You're very honest thoughtful and educative man with your language delivery
What a great demo, thankyou, I drive telescopic handler in the construction industry and I much prefer the jcb models, they just seem better designed for the end user, but that's my personal opinion. I'd love to have a go in a skid steer after driving the big 20metre telehandler the skid steers look good fun.
I love the jcb
I like the innovative telescoping arm on the JCB but bobcats way more prevalent where I live. Don’t see many JCB around here. I play farm sim 19 and I love all the JCB equipment in the game. The fastrac is great.
Really good comparison! A friend has been looking at both machines and has very similar views to you. As we are getting older the ease of access of the jcb is a game changer. Slipping on the attachment on a cold wet morning is no fun and it’s taking longer for the bruises and limp to disappear!😀 there is a fair price hike on the jcb on comparable machine but long term will probably be negligible it’s just the shock to start with. If we can twist the dealers arm hard enough I think the safety of the jcb will win for my friend and me as I’m the relief driver!!! 😀😀
Remember, everything on the JCB (worklights, A/C, 3rd service, auxiliary lines, hydraulic Q-hitch, etc, etc is STANDARD.
Now spec the competitors to the same level....
Lord Muck yes we had still a huge difference about 4000 more for jcb on first try! We’ll be twisting they’re arm a lot harder now!!
Will jcb make that skidsteer in like 90 or 100 hp ? How will it fair in the scraping industry. 75 hp is to small for doing cars and vichel3s .
Alex, I have a half dozen customers here in the scrap yard and wrecker business that run 74hp JCB Teleskids and have no issues with them.
They kept the H.P. At 75 because that keeps them out of the emissions requirements. No DEF or DPF on these machines. This is supposed to make them cheaper to operate and more reliable. I do know that DPF machines tend to burn down
Alex Petroselli the engines are tuned down so try don’t have to run DEF
Good Video! I Ended Up Going With Kubota.... But Good Video!
Is JCB made in USA?
My bobcat was made in China. Air conditioning was broke down. Need a part from China and USA mechanics tried to get it to works but nothing work, it been 5 different parts already!!
Awe come on, China!!!
Yes, JCB Skidsteers are built in the USA
@@LordMuck hot damn!! Now that’s great news!!
@@LordMuck JCB is from UK.
The Skidsteers are built in Savannah, Georgia - that's in the USA, not the UK 🙄
That was a great side by side comparison. With the JCB though, I'm wondering if being on one side of it might have more wear and tear with the weight in a small area? The Bobcat is wider so I'm wondering if wear is spread out? Other wise the JCB seems like the better machine. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and video‼️‼️👍🏻👍🏻
I've only drove New Holland but I was just wondering if you're parking in a shed does that door on the JCB swing out so wide they got a park in a bigger area
No different to any other machine really. If space is that tight in a shed and it then dictates what machine you buy then something is wrong.
Great vid, great comparison👍 the bobcat has small screen which makes hard to see, reversing would be pain with support bar blocking view. I do like bobcat engine bay over JCB. JCB has lights at back of cab which is good n telehandler boom is make it more versatile then normal skidsteers.
When I was 4 I got to sit on my grandpas lap and drive a bobcat, my grandpa recently died in 2016 (not long ago) so bobcat all the way for me.
Your Grandpa may have loved a JCB
cracking vid, very educational
20 year old design vs. brand new design.... of course one is going to be more refined. i'm not a particular fan of Bobcat, but i'd be curious to see how much JCB boom pivot point wear is at 1000 hrs. the only thing i'm not a fan of on the JCB is the fuel filler location. being as most of us have to use 5 gallon fuel cans, getting one in the JCB looks like a PITA without the boom being up. they could have easily had the access to the side and still been just fine. lastly, how easy is it to do irregular maintenance items on the JCB? battery/drive belts/alternators/starter and such? i do like the filter locations though. side entrance is nice for those of us that aren't exactly young anymore.
All very valid points and along the same train of thought I have.
Be good to go take a look at one in a year or so with a few hours on.
I was curious about the drive belt myself. I've got the T650 and have already had to change the drive belt. It was easier and a lot faster than I thought it would be.
JCB guarantees their boom for life.
Thank for an interesting and honest review, Stephen
theyre the best loader goin if ya ask me bobcat we have one couldnt fault it work wise but......since its a compact machine its a prick to try fix
I was hauling sand out of a sand quarry and they decided to do away with the 360 Dragline digging the sand face and loading the sand grader and just use the loading shovel to do the 2 jobs dig the sand feed the grader and load the lorries this worked ok untill the loader driver caused a sand slide burying the shovel wich was Volvo with a front opening door very similar to the bobcat