You addressed one of my biggest fears with most skidsteers, being trapped in the cab due to whatever. Electronic failure, fire, load shifting, etc. The thought of crawling out the back window over a hot possibly burning engine compartment is scary. The JCB is a definite improvement !
It's a no brainer ,the JCB does everything the bobcat does and ten times more,we used it to lift a cow that had gone down ,we weren't on top of her the way we would have been with the Bobcat that extended boom is the game changer
I’ve put thousands of hours on one of the biggest skidsteers ever built, the 975 Clarke Bobcat. 14,000lbs wet. One thing I can tell you about them running them almost of my life is no manufacturer builds them like those 975 and 980’s were built. 35,000-40,000 hours on them and still going.
I think that JCB Teleskid would be great for my landscape business. We have 2 Bobcat machines and have treated us well. But that Teleskid would really help get into tight spaces and avoid damaging any existing plants and materials(curbs, pavers, tile, etc.)
We have had our Bobcat near on 15 years and it has been the most practical and in expensive piece of kit we have owned. What we have got out of her compared to what we have put in eg maintenance ect is literally phenomenal.
Hi, I work for jcb Tc harrisons and have tested the design and features in the yard, I can only see one problem with jcb and that it’s very sensitive but never the lest powerful and quick. There are 3 different speed modes on it to control speed with a further “rabbit mode” to go even quicker. The servicing looks easy to access ( yippee for me ) but then the engine work is quite covered up, however the cab winds up (like the teletruck) giving the best access for the hydraulic motor and valve block for changing hoses if they get worn down but over all it’s a good machine and the heater is bloody awesome on it !
The only difference of choosing a regular type skid is if you're doing some serious break out digging work. The traditional style would be more suited for that
Always thought the JCBs looked like a robot or a toy. Never took it serious. Then I tried one earlier this year. I couldnt believe how much better the view is. I was COMPLETELY shocked. Ill never buy any other machine.
Working on drilling rigs using a JCB forklift with telescopic booms did have great advantages working in heights. The huge drawback is when the boom is elevated it become a huge field of view blocker and if there isn’t any one around for directions it can become quite a deterrent.
its nice with the telescopic boom you can reach across a truck to pick up stuff unlike a normal fork lift where you have to go around to the other side.
I have owned Bobcats for 50 years. I have operated them all. As far as I can see they are all good when they run. The newest machine I own is a 2007. I keep them maintained faithfully. I have run some new machines and hate them all. Mostly because of the so called sophisticated controls ( electric over hydraulic. According to a certain manufacturer, the wiring harnesses at the control levers fatigue and break. The cost to repair it is $350.00 ish. So, I want mechanical controls, if I lose a linkage pin it's easy to fix. Bottom line is I want to pull a lever and know it will work rather than push a button and hope it works.
I'm not a fan of the electric over hydraulic myself. I can finesse the levers exactly as I please with the older machines and the newer ones seem too quick for me. I know on the CAT machine my boss has it's hard for me to operate the arms and buckets at just the right speed.
The jcb wins hands down because of its telescopic forks x door access. BUT lord mucks just there to compare .A very non judgemental review of both mackines .
The thing is if you ever have to work outside with the boom and a regular skiddy you always have to have a friend that's part of why the JCB is such a game changer ! Tons of options with that machine TBH it's really in a class of it's own
Between myself and my son, I think we have had about 8 or maybe 9 bigger bobcats, but you really have made me think the JCB is an improvement. The big thing, would be the Price, and the dependability of the dealer. You didn't mention the Horsepower of the Bobcat, and I'd like to see more demo of the digging ability/breakout force of both. Then, another thing, would be the interrelationship with attachments such as a hammer, planer, or broom. A single boom gets a lot of stress, don't you think?
That was a good point on the bobcat fuel filler position. Too many operators that work on the idea of "if it starts and goes then why check it?" Idea. A good comparison, thank you.
Sounding like a broken record here but they guarantee the boom for life. But I am with you I would like to see one with hours on it. If you look on the internet it seems the JCB is plaqued with problems and isn't making it to high hours. That said I have not heard of any boom issues, it is all engine trouble
As a Concrete contractor and a bobcat owner for 25 years, multi machines, multi sizes, I wouldn't switch. That jcb would never stand up to the trauma of tear out or have the capability of hydraulic attachments. We don't run doors for 7 months of the year, so we can get in and out with the arms up. Each machine serves certain customers is all that I see
I own a bobcat but have looked at the jcb. JCB claims the use more steel in their boom than any of the competitors. They also give a guarantee on that boom for life. No one eles is doing that. They seem to be very confident of this boom design. I have welded countless cat and bobcat booms, they fail regularly. I have noticed JCB doesn't have a good resale value, bobcat and cat do better there. Bobcat switched from the kubota to a doosan engine as doosan bought bobcat out, so we will see if they remain as popular and reliable as they have been. Cat is way over rated in my opinion
We use our jcb for concrete work. It holds up great. It's an amazing machine for concrete work acctually. And we are rougher on that jcb that anyone could ever ever imagine. I'll never ever ever ever run a bobcat again. This jcb is absolutly amazing. Unbelieveable acctually.
As a JCB owner, I will never own a “normal” skid steer again. For farm use, the JCB Teleskid is handy as can be compared to the regular style we had prior to it
Looks a bit of a game changer the JCB. I'd like to see how well they hold up after a couple of thousand hours. If the x series excavators have had reliability and build quality issues of previous models addressed, then I hope it's a trend that continues with every JCB product. My boss took delivery of 10 new 3cx's and have been plagued with problems. I'm currently on a JZ141 that refused to start after 216hrs. Such a shame because I 've been a big fan of JCB from a young age. I really hope they sort themselves out soon....
I like the JCB Design, they have got some great ideas. Agreed -- that fuel port location is terrible though. I think when you are loading rocks and dirt into a truck, theres a good chance you could break the bobcats windshield should a rock dance along the edge of the dump truck bed and come back down on you. The JCB had some sort of rock-armor grid on the front windshield to protect against rocks. I also like being able to lift the boom to a few feet off the ground load the back of a pickup and then get out of the cab to unsecure / secure loads. Can't do that with the bobcat because the boom has to be all the way down to get out. You can Remote Control the T-650, but that's a $10,000 dollar add on accessory. Would have been nice to show the costs involved with 500/1000 hour maintenance for each machine. If you get a chance check out the Diverto from the Netherlands.
I like the innovative telescoping arm on the JCB but bobcats way more prevalent where I live. Don’t see many JCB around here. I play farm sim 19 and I love all the JCB equipment in the game. The fastrac is great.
That teleboom would be handy in every scenario I can think of... unfortunately we don't have any JCB dealers in our area which has always been a shame many times in the past
The end of this video was a load of SHIT!!!! well in reality it was but hay all jokes aside this little teliskid looks awesome.. i use my CT332 john deere all the time and i can see how this would be way nicer... i have been trapped in the cab by hay before its a pain in the ass... lift the boom spin around at high speed and it flies off to the side busting the hydraulic mounts and the bale in the process.... backstops are key to stopping that from happening. oh one more thing!!!! why would anyone lift 4 tons?? or run with it alll the way up on uneven ground???? BECAUSE WE CAN!!!!!lol hahahahahahah
Bobcats biggest weakness is their belt drive hydraulic pumps, when the belt goes the machine is dead in the water and it always happens at the worst times in the worst places. We have also found that undercarriage clearance is a major issue especially in the winter time, on the bobcat there isn't much clearance between the drive sprocket and the frame and if you run all day in muddy conditions and leave it out over night without very carefully cleaning the mud out of the tracks you won't be moving in the morning. The Deere and Cat machines have a lot more clearance in the track frame, Bobcat has improved this with their new style machines as well as improving the ride with a different suspension system.
Yes I saw that manufacturers are now offering suspension on the track frame. Freezing mud was something I had considered when washing the machines down with limited clearance on the tracks and frame.
The big problem with JCBs undercarriage is that the ones I've seen had exposed hydraulic lines going to the drive sprockets. They trust and then rocks get in there and smash them. And getting them replaced takes either half a toolbox of tools or taking the track off. Every other skidsteer I've seen has these lines inside the chassis. Plus I had to order the part and the customer had to wait to get it fixed. Another thing that's a pain is tilting the cab had to be done with arm up and locked, which isn't easy to do when there's such a leak under the cab that you have no hydraulic pressure, so you have to use a second piece of equipment to get the arm up. And there belly pan piece that comes off is so tiny, getting the mud out wastes tons of time, plus there's a lot more electrical plugs down in the mud than I've seen on most other brands. Maybe the newer ones have fixed these issues, but I haven't seen it yet. The cab hitting the the fat bucket piston when you want to tilt it is just poor engineering. Proprietary parts just push it over the edge for me.
@@LordMuck the idea of the machine is great, but it's easily the one most annoying machines to work on, and jcb can be a pain to get parts for. I just wish another company came up with that idea instead.
What kind of idiot distributor puts a sticker right in front of your line of sight on the windshield like that? Like, is your company so important that it should stand in the way of an operator being able to see something? That's my only complaint. Really enjoyed the video, and didn't even know JCB made telescopic track loaders! Thanks for taking the time to make this.
I know exactly what you're saying but strangely enough, when sat in the cab it didn't actually come into view. Camera made it look worse. Glad you enjoyed the vid !
Not mentioned ... JCB uses a slightly wider track. In my limited experience it felt like the JCB had better flotation on soft surfaces (sand snow mud) ... but I've never really been able to test both at once to compare. I prefer the JCB for all the reasons you mentioned.
What a great demo, thankyou, I drive telescopic handler in the construction industry and I much prefer the jcb models, they just seem better designed for the end user, but that's my personal opinion. I'd love to have a go in a skid steer after driving the big 20metre telehandler the skid steers look good fun.
Enjoyed that. Thought the JCB was a bit of a gimmick but having watched the whole lot it has a lot of positives. Spent a few summers on my uncles farm driving a bobcat great machine the loader was worked using footpedals.
Both share alot of components(mcr hydraulic motors for drive of tracks) made by bosch Well made stuff, I work there and they invest heavily in quality tooling fixturing...
From all the countless videos i have watch on youtube from My favorit youtubers and all the rumours i have heard about bobcat they seem to spend more time in the workshop then working
Stick a set of tines on one, probably be the best forklift you'll ever use, it makes a huge difference being close to the tines & actually being able to see what you're doing, we had old school Ford wheeled skid steers L445, L553 & L785. 785 was unbelievable, it'd give a 3cx a run for it's money on front bucket, 553 was good but a little light on back end, we added some cast weights to both sides of chassis behind rear wheels, 445 was small & light but a bit unstable but it was good for accessing small areas or crossing foot bridges (which you probably wouldn't be allowed to do nowadays) I used 445 for 2 weeks on nights resurfacing platforms on Peterborough railway station, had to use foot bridge to get from one platform to other, given the choice I'd take the 785 as long as it wasn't too far, as transporting it was a bitch, it was bloody heavy.
Really good comparison! A friend has been looking at both machines and has very similar views to you. As we are getting older the ease of access of the jcb is a game changer. Slipping on the attachment on a cold wet morning is no fun and it’s taking longer for the bruises and limp to disappear!😀 there is a fair price hike on the jcb on comparable machine but long term will probably be negligible it’s just the shock to start with. If we can twist the dealers arm hard enough I think the safety of the jcb will win for my friend and me as I’m the relief driver!!! 😀😀
Remember, everything on the JCB (worklights, A/C, 3rd service, auxiliary lines, hydraulic Q-hitch, etc, etc is STANDARD. Now spec the competitors to the same level....
The JCB is a game changer yeah if i was grading dirt and doing serious digging on a regular basis and I would probably stick with the traditional skiddy but man the teleskid is one of the greatest inventions of all time
nice video. excellent design by JCB to try a side boom & side door. i was almost expecting a biased view/review towards 1 or the other. so i liked how it was balanced between the 2 machines. people can tell when a product is trying to be pushed. infomercials are notorious for that. anyways, i bet other manufacturers are shooting themselves for not thinking up the extendable boom concept.
Nice comparison. I've never been in a skidsteer yet but can see the advantages of the jcb design. I watch an American channel the other day and he was talking about the expense and wear comparison between wheel and tracked loaders.
As an experienced real world construction worker .ie done a lot of machine work .spent six months trying to get a 1cx and it was the best money I spent . Let's dig 18 said Jcb means just crap British ?. Shows how much he knows about diggers .ps I've worked as a banks man for ten years before operate ting a machine . ?love the mix of your vids.
Bloody good video Kurt, a really good and subjective review. As someone who has only ever run bobcat machines i could see pleanty of advantages to jcb's offering particularly on a dairy farm.
JCB has some nice advantages to it. The side access which would be really nice and the zoom boom. Also compared to the kubota the heating cooling duct work in the came looks way nicer
ITS LIKE DESIGNING THEIR BENTLY OR RR...THE BRITS WOULD THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX....MORE CUSTOMER FRIENDLY MORE COMFORT / VIEW...EASY ACCESS AND DEPARTURE OF MACHINE. I SAW ONE OF THESE JCB AT FT-FARFAN IN SAN JUAN IN 2006 WHILE WE DID WORK ON A HUGE APARTMENT BUILDING NOT TOO FAR OFF.
I've operated both machines and if I was going out with my own money to buy one I'd go for the jcb all day its just a better machine to spend time in and being telescopic is a huge advantage.
Great video. The Bobcat has been standard issue in the USA for donkeys year but I was most impressed with the JCB when I looked at it with Saunders at Grasslands this year.
I agree totally. However, in my experience on most of the machines on the market. The servo assist controls have a nano second delay in responsiveness. Alot of my work over the years has been grading flat work where the tolerances are less the a 1/4". Fyi, both machines you used are load and carry machines not really designed for excavation, which 90 percent of my work. I only have radial lift configuration machines. Not being critical just my preference.
i find the jcb control levers big and cumbersome I used an older 06 ag spec 536 60 and the lever was similar but was mounted at the same level as the operator's thigh witch I actually found was very comfortable and intuitive
Great comparison. I drive skidsteers quite a bit and I do like the JCB design but I've never got into one yet. Heard the wheeled ones have h habit of scrubbing the osr tyre. Do you think they would go any better with a straight pipe 🤣🤣
Great comparison we use only jcb skidsteers on our farm but the teleskid isn’t the first skid steer to have side entry we’ve had three jcb skidsteers befor the teleskid came out
The jcb offers more than the bobcat but bobcat have their fans but I find jcb have taken operator safety into account and comfort/ space and ease of access
Great vid, great comparison👍 the bobcat has small screen which makes hard to see, reversing would be pain with support bar blocking view. I do like bobcat engine bay over JCB. JCB has lights at back of cab which is good n telehandler boom is make it more versatile then normal skidsteers.
I’ve been around both of them and I do have to say I like the looks of the JCB how it’s easy to get in and out. However the bobcat has a lot more experience building skid steers and is more reliable. I’ve seen a JCB stuck in the park position while a construction crew was pouring concrete in a shop, long store short the owner got pissed hooked it up to a tractor and drug it out of the shop so they could finish pouring the floor. I’m not saying JCB is a bad skid steer they just need to do a little more fine tuning.
Excellent video. Thanks for taking time out putting it together. We just bought a new John Deere 330g and we love it we did demo many different machines. Have a great day
We’re toying with the idea of something different from our Bobcat S570 at the moment. When it comes to unloading straw and hay bales, we are limited by the S570 in reach height and reach distance. Our telescopic wheel loader can reach across the wagon and unload from one side (but it’s always in the field doing the loading). Do you know, would the telescope be able to reach across to the far side of the wagon to pick bales?
That was a great side by side comparison. With the JCB though, I'm wondering if being on one side of it might have more wear and tear with the weight in a small area? The Bobcat is wider so I'm wondering if wear is spread out? Other wise the JCB seems like the better machine. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and video‼️‼️👍🏻👍🏻
seems like the load carrying capacity would be greatly reduced the further you reach out. if your working with heavy materials. i could see the telescopic feature not being very useful. i would also be worried about durability if you do much digging. certainly a interesting useful design though
Close in the JCB can lift over a ton and a half, fully extended, it can still lift (and manoeuvre) with 3/4 of a ton ! I did just that and it was as steady as a rock.
That's the safe working load and I tried just under 3/4 of a ton up in the air manoeuvring on level ground left, right, back, forwards and it was incredibly stable.
Very good comprehensive review of 2 concepts executed differently in the same settings. I always wondered how a Teleskid compared and this video covered that
The problem is there really is no comparison a telehandler is out of this world ! regular skiddys are awesome but a teleskid is out of control the one thing that pisses me off more then anything is most skiddys have cabs and if your using if for work it always becomes a two person job when not needed this idea of thinking is a game changer the world.needs more thinking like this
Great video. I've always liked the design of the JCB. I've never operated one but have used bobcats a ton. The visibility and side door is a huge plus.
after watching this i will never buy any other loader than the JCB. i was amazed when he opened the back hatches how simple the JCB was compared to the bob cat which had wires and hoses going everywhere and the easy access and further reach is just uncomparable to the others.
We've had a Robot 190 for a few years now, first looked at a JCB as we feed round bales held together by net, be a dangerous job feeding by yourself with any other skid steer they way we lay the bales down having to climb under or over the bale to unwrap it then get back in , easiest skid steer of its age to drive too 1 joystick for the loader and 1 for movment, foot throttle saves a fair bit of fuel too , easy to give her just the ideal revs at that time
I can see why you like the JCB so much but at the end of the day I'd be buying the bobcat. Especially as you'd be bushing up the pivots all the time with that offset boom.
I said the same thing Joe but the JCB has two tapered pivot pins to counteract that (don't forget a lot of smaller telehandlers have a swept headstock) and it's not like they are constantly knocking bushes out.
I'd have to look at how many thousands of hours before bushes were needed versus day to day operation, ease of access and versatility. But yes, I initially thought the same.
@@LordMuck Yeah it's a bit of a trade off really. I've seen teleporters where the bucket edge is worn more on one side than the other because of the offset boom. Time will tell though.
I work every day on Bobcats,JCB's,and Takeuchi skidsteer loaders and tracked mini diggers,its my job.And let me tell you that bobcat is junk compared to JCB and Takeuchi.And Takeuchi is more refined and slightly more capable than JCB as well
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You addressed one of my biggest fears with most skidsteers, being trapped in the cab due to whatever. Electronic failure, fire, load shifting, etc. The thought of crawling out the back window over a hot possibly burning engine compartment is scary. The JCB is a definite improvement !
JCB has side, rear AND front exit panels.
It's a no brainer ,the JCB does everything the bobcat does and ten times more,we used it to lift a cow that had gone down ,we weren't on top of her the way we would have been with the Bobcat that extended boom is the game changer
I’ve put thousands of hours on one of the biggest skidsteers ever built, the 975 Clarke Bobcat. 14,000lbs wet. One thing I can tell you about them running them almost of my life is no manufacturer builds them like those 975 and 980’s were built. 35,000-40,000 hours on them and still going.
I think that JCB Teleskid would be great for my landscape business. We have 2 Bobcat machines and have treated us well. But that Teleskid would really help get into tight spaces and avoid damaging any existing plants and materials(curbs, pavers, tile, etc.)
We have had our Bobcat near on 15 years and it has been the most practical and in expensive piece of kit we have owned. What we have got out of her compared to what we have put in eg maintenance ect is literally phenomenal.
It's a great machine, better than the Bobcat, but over here Jcb you can't get parts for them.
I'm a bobcat fan boy, that being said that jcb seems to be a nice machine, I'd definitely like to see one with 3000 plus hrs on it.
Excellent video Lord Muck!
Thank you Nick, glad you enjoyed it !
Hi, I work for jcb Tc harrisons and have tested the design and features in the yard, I can only see one problem with jcb and that it’s very sensitive but never the lest powerful and quick. There are 3 different speed modes on it to control speed with a further “rabbit mode” to go even quicker. The servicing looks easy to access ( yippee for me ) but then the engine work is quite covered up, however the cab winds up (like the teletruck) giving the best access for the hydraulic motor and valve block for changing hoses if they get worn down but over all it’s a good machine and the heater is bloody awesome on it !
The control sensitivity parameters can be altered by the laptop program.
@@LordMuck you should be able to adjust the sensitivity of the controls on the fly on the top right hand display.
Yes you can with the 3 modes but each of these can be altered and set further by the laptop connection to give even better control.
The only difference of choosing a regular type skid is if you're doing some serious break out digging work. The traditional style would be more suited for that
Always thought the JCBs looked like a robot or a toy. Never took it serious. Then I tried one earlier this year. I couldnt believe how much better the view is. I was COMPLETELY shocked. Ill never buy any other machine.
Working on drilling rigs using a JCB forklift with telescopic booms did have great advantages working in heights. The huge drawback is when the boom is elevated it become a huge field of view blocker and if there isn’t any one around for directions it can become quite a deterrent.
its nice with the telescopic boom you can reach across a truck to pick up stuff unlike a normal fork lift where you have to go around to the other side.
I was going to question the torsion on the boom being offset... but it looked like it handled it flawlessly without any sort of flexing
I have owned Bobcats for 50 years. I have operated them all. As far as I can see they are all good when they run.
The newest machine I own is a 2007. I keep them maintained faithfully. I have run some new machines and hate them all. Mostly because of the so called sophisticated controls ( electric over hydraulic. According to a certain manufacturer, the wiring harnesses at the control levers fatigue and break. The cost to repair it is $350.00 ish.
So, I want mechanical controls, if I lose a linkage pin it's easy to fix.
Bottom line is I want to pull a lever and know it will work rather than push a button and hope it works.
Yes Paul, the knowledge that the lever is in direct control is very reassuring ! Electronics for better or worse are a sign of modern times.
I'm not a fan of the electric over hydraulic myself. I can finesse the levers exactly as I please with the older machines and the newer ones seem too quick for me. I know on the CAT machine my boss has it's hard for me to operate the arms and buckets at just the right speed.
The hard part is figuring out which darn wire harness is bad! Those things are everywhere in these new machines
All my experience is in Bobcats and if I had say in a new piece it would more than likely be JCB for the entry and extension....game changers for me!
Nice honest review. I've serviced and used Bobcats but I like the features of the JCB.
I've had two Bobcats both were good machines but I'm impressed with what JBC is doing !!!
The jcb wins hands down because of its telescopic forks x door access. BUT lord mucks just there to compare .A very non judgemental review of both mackines .
How farms work just got a JCB for a month trial. I bet Ryan's thoughts might be like yours.
The thing is if you ever have to work outside with the boom and a regular skiddy you always have to have a friend that's part of why the JCB is such a game changer ! Tons of options with that machine TBH it's really in a class of it's own
Between myself and my son, I think we have had about 8 or maybe 9 bigger bobcats, but you really have made me think the JCB is an improvement. The big thing, would be the Price, and the dependability of the dealer. You didn't mention the Horsepower of the Bobcat, and I'd like to see more demo of the digging ability/breakout force of both. Then, another thing, would be
the interrelationship with attachments such as a hammer, planer, or broom. A single boom gets a lot of stress, don't you think?
I doubt it gets a lot of stress since the single bo is almost quite as thick as the traditional dual boom
That was a good point on the bobcat fuel filler position. Too many operators that work on the idea of "if it starts and goes then why check it?" Idea. A good comparison, thank you.
I would imagine there would be significant bucket twist when digging with the JCB.
The headstock is extremely well built and has a flared web design to counteract twist.
Would be interesting to see one after a few thousand hours.
Sounding like a broken record here but they guarantee the boom for life. But I am with you I would like to see one with hours on it. If you look on the internet it seems the JCB is plaqued with problems and isn't making it to high hours. That said I have not heard of any boom issues, it is all engine trouble
As a Concrete contractor and a bobcat owner for 25 years, multi machines, multi sizes, I wouldn't switch. That jcb would never stand up to the trauma of tear out or have the capability of hydraulic attachments. We don't run doors for 7 months of the year, so we can get in and out with the arms up. Each machine serves certain customers is all that I see
That's exactly right Matt, that's why folks should try these machines to see which one works best for them.
I own a bobcat but have looked at the jcb. JCB claims the use more steel in their boom than any of the competitors. They also give a guarantee on that boom for life. No one eles is doing that. They seem to be very confident of this boom design. I have welded countless cat and bobcat booms, they fail regularly. I have noticed JCB doesn't have a good resale value, bobcat and cat do better there. Bobcat switched from the kubota to a doosan engine as doosan bought bobcat out, so we will see if they remain as popular and reliable as they have been. Cat is way over rated in my opinion
We use our jcb for concrete work. It holds up great. It's an amazing machine for concrete work acctually. And we are rougher on that jcb that anyone could ever ever imagine. I'll never ever ever ever run a bobcat again. This jcb is absolutly amazing. Unbelieveable acctually.
As a JCB owner, I will never own a “normal” skid steer again. For farm use, the JCB Teleskid is handy as can be compared to the regular style we had prior to it
Matt, could you expand on that a little and say why ?
Looks a bit of a game changer the JCB. I'd like to see how well they hold up after a couple of thousand hours. If the x series excavators have had reliability and build quality issues of previous models addressed, then I hope it's a trend that continues with every JCB product. My boss took delivery of 10 new 3cx's and have been plagued with problems. I'm currently on a JZ141 that refused to start after 216hrs. Such a shame because I 've been a big fan of JCB from a young age. I really hope they sort themselves out soon....
I like the JCB Design, they have got some great ideas. Agreed -- that fuel port location is terrible though. I think when you are loading rocks and dirt into a truck, theres a good chance you could break the bobcats windshield should a rock dance along the edge of the dump truck bed and come back down on you. The JCB had some sort of rock-armor grid on the front windshield to protect against rocks. I also like being able to lift the boom to a few feet off the ground load the back of a pickup and then get out of the cab to unsecure / secure loads. Can't do that with the bobcat because the boom has to be all the way down to get out. You can Remote Control the T-650, but that's a $10,000 dollar add on accessory. Would have been nice to show the costs involved with 500/1000 hour maintenance for each machine. If you get a chance check out the Diverto from the Netherlands.
The JCB just seems so much more versatile. Great review.
Well done, sir. Well done.👍
I like the innovative telescoping arm on the JCB but bobcats way more prevalent where I live. Don’t see many JCB around here. I play farm sim 19 and I love all the JCB equipment in the game. The fastrac is great.
That teleboom would be handy in every scenario I can think of... unfortunately we don't have any JCB dealers in our area which has always been a shame many times in the past
The end of this video was a load of SHIT!!!! well in reality it was but hay all jokes aside this little teliskid looks awesome.. i use my CT332 john deere all the time and i can see how this would be way nicer... i have been trapped in the cab by hay before its a pain in the ass... lift the boom spin around at high speed and it flies off to the side busting the hydraulic mounts and the bale in the process.... backstops are key to stopping that from happening. oh one more thing!!!! why would anyone lift 4 tons?? or run with it alll the way up on uneven ground???? BECAUSE WE CAN!!!!!lol hahahahahahah
You don't get any better Wes ! Yes it was a load of shit and old straw !
You know someone will always try and go that bit further with any machine.
I'm you guy for that lol!!!
@@LordMuck
Excellent review kurt. And well put together look forward to the next.👍
You're very honest thoughtful and educative man with your language delivery
A really good video with some clear thinking based on actual usage and experience. I really appreciate the fair handed appraisal.
JCB skid steer for sure pretty good machine bobcat skid steers are ok
Bobcats biggest weakness is their belt drive hydraulic pumps, when the belt goes the machine is dead in the water and it always happens at the worst times in the worst places. We have also found that undercarriage clearance is a major issue especially in the winter time, on the bobcat there isn't much clearance between the drive sprocket and the frame and if you run all day in muddy conditions and leave it out over night without very carefully cleaning the mud out of the tracks you won't be moving in the morning. The Deere and Cat machines have a lot more clearance in the track frame, Bobcat has improved this with their new style machines as well as improving the ride with a different suspension system.
Yes I saw that manufacturers are now offering suspension on the track frame.
Freezing mud was something I had considered when washing the machines down with limited clearance on the tracks and frame.
The big problem with JCBs undercarriage is that the ones I've seen had exposed hydraulic lines going to the drive sprockets. They trust and then rocks get in there and smash them. And getting them replaced takes either half a toolbox of tools or taking the track off. Every other skidsteer I've seen has these lines inside the chassis. Plus I had to order the part and the customer had to wait to get it fixed.
Another thing that's a pain is tilting the cab had to be done with arm up and locked, which isn't easy to do when there's such a leak under the cab that you have no hydraulic pressure, so you have to use a second piece of equipment to get the arm up. And there belly pan piece that comes off is so tiny, getting the mud out wastes tons of time, plus there's a lot more electrical plugs down in the mud than I've seen on most other brands.
Maybe the newer ones have fixed these issues, but I haven't seen it yet. The cab hitting the the fat bucket piston when you want to tilt it is just poor engineering. Proprietary parts just push it over the edge for me.
Really good points Alex and I noticed similar issues.
Let's hope JCB listen.
@@LordMuck the idea of the machine is great, but it's easily the one most annoying machines to work on, and jcb can be a pain to get parts for. I just wish another company came up with that idea instead.
Thanks for pointing out those issues Alex and its only from stuff like this that machines can improve.
Much appreciated bud.
What kind of idiot distributor puts a sticker right in front of your line of sight on the windshield like that? Like, is your company so important that it should stand in the way of an operator being able to see something?
That's my only complaint. Really enjoyed the video, and didn't even know JCB made telescopic track loaders! Thanks for taking the time to make this.
I know exactly what you're saying but strangely enough, when sat in the cab it didn't actually come into view.
Camera made it look worse.
Glad you enjoyed the vid !
Not mentioned ... JCB uses a slightly wider track. In my limited experience it felt like the JCB had better flotation on soft surfaces (sand snow mud) ... but I've never really been able to test both at once to compare. I prefer the JCB for all the reasons you mentioned.
The visibility and safety and the ability to get out of the JCB at any time even when the arm is up just in case you have to go to the loo
What a great demo, thankyou, I drive telescopic handler in the construction industry and I much prefer the jcb models, they just seem better designed for the end user, but that's my personal opinion. I'd love to have a go in a skid steer after driving the big 20metre telehandler the skid steers look good fun.
I am a JCB man so there’s no surprise that the JCB is the best
the only down side i have found with one arm loaders is that when your scraping it will try to dig in more on one side and its harder on the arm
Enjoyed that. Thought the JCB was a bit of a gimmick but having watched the whole lot it has a lot of positives.
Spent a few summers on my uncles farm driving a bobcat great machine the loader was worked using footpedals.
I like the design of jcb’s skid steer but I like bobcat better cause they oppress more compact and good for where I am using it
Aye we have a bobcat on wheels ther a good job
Both share alot of components(mcr hydraulic motors for drive of tracks) made by bosch Well made stuff, I work there and they invest heavily in quality tooling fixturing...
From all the countless videos i have watch on youtube from My favorit youtubers and all the rumours i have heard about bobcat they seem to spend more time in the workshop then working
Stick a set of tines on one, probably be the best forklift you'll ever use, it makes a huge difference being close to the tines & actually being able to see what you're doing, we had old school Ford wheeled skid steers L445, L553 & L785. 785 was unbelievable, it'd give a 3cx a run for it's money on front bucket, 553 was good but a little light on back end, we added some cast weights to both sides of chassis behind rear wheels, 445 was small & light but a bit unstable but it was good for accessing small areas or crossing foot bridges (which you probably wouldn't be allowed to do nowadays) I used 445 for 2 weeks on nights resurfacing platforms on Peterborough railway station, had to use foot bridge to get from one platform to other, given the choice I'd take the 785 as long as it wasn't too far, as transporting it was a bitch, it was bloody heavy.
Really good comparison! A friend has been looking at both machines and has very similar views to you. As we are getting older the ease of access of the jcb is a game changer. Slipping on the attachment on a cold wet morning is no fun and it’s taking longer for the bruises and limp to disappear!😀 there is a fair price hike on the jcb on comparable machine but long term will probably be negligible it’s just the shock to start with. If we can twist the dealers arm hard enough I think the safety of the jcb will win for my friend and me as I’m the relief driver!!! 😀😀
Remember, everything on the JCB (worklights, A/C, 3rd service, auxiliary lines, hydraulic Q-hitch, etc, etc is STANDARD.
Now spec the competitors to the same level....
Lord Muck yes we had still a huge difference about 4000 more for jcb on first try! We’ll be twisting they’re arm a lot harder now!!
I've been always a BOBCAT fan, but considering my fork lift experience, I wold definitely go for the JCB ...
I certainly get your point ...
The JCB is a game changer yeah if i was grading dirt and doing serious digging on a regular basis and I would probably stick with the traditional skiddy but man the teleskid is one of the greatest inventions of all time
Hah, OLF spoke of this in his video, and now it is on my recommended!
Thanks for the video.
That JCB looks cool
nice video. excellent design by JCB to try a side boom & side door. i was almost expecting a biased view/review towards 1 or the other. so i liked how it was balanced between the 2 machines. people can tell when a product is trying to be pushed. infomercials are notorious for that. anyways, i bet other manufacturers are shooting themselves for not thinking up the extendable boom concept.
Back in the early 2000's when I first learned of the old Robots, I wondered how long it would take them to come up with this machine.
Nice comparison. I've never been in a skidsteer yet but can see the advantages of the jcb design. I watch an American channel the other day and he was talking about the expense and wear comparison between wheel and tracked loaders.
As an experienced real world construction worker .ie done a lot of machine work .spent six months trying to get a 1cx and it was the best money I spent . Let's dig 18 said Jcb means just crap British ?. Shows how much he knows about diggers .ps I've worked as a banks man for ten years before operate ting a machine . ?love the mix of your vids.
Bloody good video Kurt, a really good and subjective review.
As someone who has only ever run bobcat machines i could see pleanty of advantages to jcb's offering particularly on a dairy farm.
JCB has some nice advantages to it. The side access which would be really nice and the zoom boom. Also compared to the kubota the heating cooling duct work in the came looks way nicer
Glad you've watched it Kev as you can see any advantages/disadvantages with both maxhines.
ITS LIKE DESIGNING THEIR BENTLY OR RR...THE BRITS WOULD THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX....MORE CUSTOMER FRIENDLY MORE COMFORT / VIEW...EASY ACCESS AND DEPARTURE OF MACHINE. I SAW ONE OF THESE JCB AT FT-FARFAN IN SAN JUAN IN 2006 WHILE WE DID WORK ON A HUGE APARTMENT BUILDING NOT TOO FAR OFF.
I've operated both machines and if I was going out with my own money to buy one I'd go for the jcb all day its just a better machine to spend time in and being telescopic is a huge advantage.
Great video. The Bobcat has been standard issue in the USA for donkeys year but I was most impressed with the JCB when I looked at it with Saunders at Grasslands this year.
I agree totally. However, in my experience on most of the machines on the market. The servo assist controls have a nano second delay in responsiveness. Alot of my work over the years has been grading flat work where the tolerances are less the a 1/4".
Fyi, both machines you used are load and carry machines not really designed for excavation, which 90 percent of my work. I only have radial lift configuration machines.
Not being critical just my preference.
Again totally agree Paul, When we are doing site work, grading etc we use a 360 excavator.
So you think it justifies the cost difference though?
Great vid my friend Bobcat makes a fine machine but this vid and compare is clearly JCB Is the blue ribbon!!
Cheers, that was a fascinating comparison between two capable machines 👍
Hopped in a teleskid not long ago and so easy to just get in and drive - especially how you can have drive on one joystick and loader on the other.
Im sure on the farm between the cows that JCB comes out on top but in my line of work (demolition) i swear by the Bobcat :)
How can we set you up with a demo? It never hurts to see what else is out there
I'd love a skid steer for working around the cattle yards at home. They would be ideal for cleaning out the straw bedded sheds 👍😎
i find the jcb control levers big and cumbersome I used an older 06 ag spec 536 60 and the lever was similar but was mounted at the same level as the operator's thigh witch I actually found was very comfortable and intuitive
The Bobcat levers are even bigger !
Great comparison. I drive skidsteers quite a bit and I do like the JCB design but I've never got into one yet. Heard the wheeled ones have h habit of scrubbing the osr tyre. Do you think they would go any better with a straight pipe 🤣🤣
What would really be impressive would be improved access to the engine. It could be done so easily. Try putting out an engine fire sometime!
Great comparison we use only jcb skidsteers on our farm but the teleskid isn’t the first skid steer to have side entry we’ve had three jcb skidsteers befor the teleskid came out
Which other Skidsteer had side entry ?
Volvo
Yes Peder ! They had a fixed side boom machine didn't they ?
But was it the Volvo or the JCB Robot first ?
The jcb robot was first the Volvo is a jcb the have a company agreement to put volvo stickers on them
The jcb offers more than the bobcat but bobcat have their fans but I find jcb have taken operator safety into account and comfort/ space and ease of access
Great vid, great comparison👍 the bobcat has small screen which makes hard to see, reversing would be pain with support bar blocking view. I do like bobcat engine bay over JCB. JCB has lights at back of cab which is good n telehandler boom is make it more versatile then normal skidsteers.
Want to try the JCB 1CXT tracked backhoe loader,just superb to use, JCB has a winner with it.
I’ve been around both of them and I do have to say I like the looks of the JCB how it’s easy to get in and out. However the bobcat has a lot more experience building skid steers and is more reliable. I’ve seen a JCB stuck in the park position while a construction crew was pouring concrete in a shop, long store short the owner got pissed hooked it up to a tractor and drug it out of the shop so they could finish pouring the floor. I’m not saying JCB is a bad skid steer they just need to do a little more fine tuning.
Excellent video. Thanks for taking time out putting it together. We just bought a new John Deere 330g and we love it we did demo many different machines. Have a great day
Great review
Shopping for a skid steer atm and this helped
We’re toying with the idea of something different from our Bobcat S570 at the moment. When it comes to unloading straw and hay bales, we are limited by the S570 in reach height and reach distance. Our telescopic wheel loader can reach across the wagon and unload from one side (but it’s always in the field doing the loading).
Do you know, would the telescope be able to reach across to the far side of the wagon to pick bales?
Yes, however get one on demo and see if it meets your needs
That was a great side by side comparison. With the JCB though, I'm wondering if being on one side of it might have more wear and tear with the weight in a small area? The Bobcat is wider so I'm wondering if wear is spread out? Other wise the JCB seems like the better machine. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and video‼️‼️👍🏻👍🏻
Looks like skid steer world maybe changing!
Love a comparison video. I think the JCB is where I'd put my money - Looks a lot more thought out overall for the operator.
When I was 4 I got to sit on my grandpas lap and drive a bobcat, my grandpa recently died in 2016 (not long ago) so bobcat all the way for me.
Your Grandpa may have loved a JCB
seems like the load carrying capacity would be greatly reduced the further you reach out. if your working with heavy materials. i could see the telescopic feature not being very useful. i would also be worried about durability if you do much digging. certainly a interesting useful design though
Close in the JCB can lift over a ton and a half, fully extended, it can still lift (and manoeuvre) with 3/4 of a ton !
I did just that and it was as steady as a rock.
@@LordMuck that is a lot more weight capacity fully extended than i would have expected.
That's the safe working load and I tried just under 3/4 of a ton up in the air manoeuvring on level ground left, right, back, forwards and it was incredibly stable.
Awesome comparison video. New sub here. Did you buy the JCB?
No, we were just comparing machines.
@@LordMuck we tried out a JCB like that but it didn't have the teleboom.
Thanks for the video. Lot of good points we just bought a new John Deere 330g and we like it very much. We have a push ramp to load hi trailers.
That's the good thing about the telescopic boom - you can load anywhere at anytime without a ramp.
Very good comprehensive review of 2 concepts executed differently in the same settings. I always wondered how a Teleskid compared and this video covered that
The problem is there really is no comparison a telehandler is out of this world ! regular skiddys are awesome but a teleskid is out of control the one thing that pisses me off more then anything is most skiddys have cabs and if your using if for work it always becomes a two person job when not needed this idea of thinking is a game changer the world.needs more thinking like this
Great video. I've always liked the design of the JCB. I've never operated one but have used bobcats a ton. The visibility and side door is a huge plus.
I would love to hear from a mechanic that wrenches on these for a living..
Hey Ryan, I work with the dealer out of Central Califorina, CCP JCB. We cant keep these in stock!
I assemble the JCB skidsteer in Savannah
@@petercaughran8767 I was thinking of a teleskid and the.main equipment running would.be a mulcher, do you see any issues
@@stevenbrooks6669 The Hi Flo shuts off when the boom is extended. Dealer told me the use the non teleskid for mulching. They have a forestry package.
after watching this i will never buy any other loader than the JCB. i was amazed when he opened the back hatches how simple the JCB was compared to the bob cat which had wires and hoses going everywhere and the easy access and further reach is just uncomparable to the others.
Enjoy your channel and thanks to That Chipper Guy for suggesting your site, Merry christmas
John is one of my favourite RUclipsrs, a real gentleman.
Glad to have you along.
@@LordMuck great video Sir! Thanks to onelonelyfarmer, I found you.
I Had Bobcat loaders for 20 years great machines. But climbing in the cab knacked my back. Got kramer 1245 machine
We've had a Robot 190 for a few years now, first looked at a JCB as we feed round bales held together by net, be a dangerous job feeding by yourself with any other skid steer they way we lay the bales down having to climb under or over the bale to unwrap it then get back in , easiest skid steer of its age to drive too 1 joystick for the loader and 1 for movment, foot throttle saves a fair bit of fuel too , easy to give her just the ideal revs at that time
Reckon a teleskid would be the ultimate skid steer only problem with our robot is lack of reach forward
Yes climbing in or out under bales is not ideal.
Nice comparison today, thank you!
That JBC is a nice machine!
I can see why you like the JCB so much but at the end of the day I'd be buying the bobcat. Especially as you'd be bushing up the pivots all the time with that offset boom.
I said the same thing Joe but the JCB has two tapered pivot pins to counteract that (don't forget a lot of smaller telehandlers have a swept headstock) and it's not like they are constantly knocking bushes out.
I'd have to look at how many thousands of hours before bushes were needed versus day to day operation, ease of access and versatility.
But yes, I initially thought the same.
@@LordMuck Yeah it's a bit of a trade off really. I've seen teleporters where the bucket edge is worn more on one side than the other because of the offset boom. Time will tell though.
Im curious why they didnt make the jcb tilt back farther to lift higher.
Nice comparison
Cheers Steeevey !
Great brief, your Lordship. Spot on. Thank you.
Good video. I like the JCB more after watching your video. I am claustrophobic and would feel better with the side door
How much is the JCB
I work every day on Bobcats,JCB's,and Takeuchi skidsteer loaders and tracked mini diggers,its my job.And let me tell you that bobcat is junk compared to JCB and Takeuchi.And Takeuchi is more refined and slightly more capable than JCB as well
In what way do you consider bobcat junk? Quality? Ease of repair?