The Herd with Colin Cowherd The Giants stink, aren't making the playoffs. Eli is old and washed up, better days were behind him. He's made his money and Giants needed to move on from him and they're simply tanking the rest of the season; they figured, hey McAddoo is getting fired, lets let it fly and see if we can get a top 5 draft pick
Colin, your opinion on the west being better than the east because divorce and Hollywood is better than tradition is one of the dumber things I've heard out of you.
If your a collin cowherd fan can you expect to hear these words everyday 1.divorce 2. Jeff bezos 3. Amazon 4. My former employer 5. Apple 6. When I moved to California 7. Silicon Valley
Dylan Goertz death and colin talking about divorce cannot coexist, because colin is going to die one day and therefore will not be able to talk about divorce
So all of sudden this is all on Eli. Bad offensive line average receivers and no running game. I'm ok with moving on from Eli but to slap him in the face like this is disrespectful
Christian Jones he's been garbage his entire career with a bunch of different players. Tell me one elite year in his entire career. He's had two good runs in the playoffs but outside of that he's been god awful
That is bc Eli & LeBron are worlds apart in terms of what they’ve accomplished & what Bron will continue to do at a high level for many more years to come
Colin you're right that the Giants can move on from Eli, but why in the middle of the season?? Geno Smith is not our future. Benching Eli is just humiliating him.
You have to show your backup QBs playing in a real NFL game before you can use them as trade bait. Brady's 4 game suspension last year is why Jacoby Brissett AND Jimmy G are starting this Sunday.
I hate how everything is about stats. If you actually look at a Giants game, Eli throws to a wide open receiver or runner out of the backfield and they can't catch. Then if he wants to throw a deep ball, the o-line gives him absolutely no time for the play to develop. He can't run a pass action cause they can't get a strong run game developed. His 3 top receivers are out. Do you expect him to target a tight end 20 times a game or something? And does anyone actually thinking Geno Smith is going to do better? Just start Davis Webb and see what the kid can do instead of starting a complete failure of a QB and thinking everything is solved.
I'm at Pat's fan so I know what Eli has done. He's had absolutely no protection, that O line stinks, his primary receiver is injured and the defence is not great. I don't think this is fair. Smith is not the answer, they probably looking to secure 2nd overall pick so they get Darnold, Mayfield or Rosen and start a new era.
Stephen Doyle Definitely aren’t going for Mayfield, I’m hopeful that the Browns take Arnold and Giants get Rosen, I️ have more faith in Rosen in the league than I️ do Darnold
Oh yea, I'm sure the west coast is all about not being sentimental. Not like the Lakers kept Kobe around for years after he was a level below garbage or anything... Nice try Colin. You're not fooling anyone.
They kept kobe around cause of the revenue he generated for them even in years when he barely played. Kobe is a guaranteed sold out game at home or on the road, and remained a top tier merch mover in the league. None of those apply to eli.
Ricardo Rodriguez I think there was also a contract/stipulation with an organization close to the Lakers to keep Kobe in LA too. I forget how it went though
Plax was right. The Giants line is trash and the recievers been dropping everything in sight. Plus the D is not playing as good as last year. The Giants are violating Eli by benching him for Geno
Their benching him to save his legacy. Wat does Eli get playing behind dat line with no playmakers. Throwing picks nd getting sacked nd at worst injured nd can't play ever again
courteo exactly man it’s terrible and you can tell people are just looking at stats not clearly watching the games because, if they were watching the games you’d see that!
The seahawks o-line is trash, Russell Wilson runs and spins around fifteen yards behind the line of scrimmage, the seahawks defense is not as good as the last four years and wilson is still an mvp candidate
Terrible coaching, no o-line, no running game, recievers been injured, league leading 28 dropped passes, average defence is all on Eli? Despite that he has 2411 Yards 14 TDs and 7 INTs. How is that bad? And you are benching him for Geno Smith? We have seen him play, he ain't good. Davis Webb i could understand, he is a rookie but Geno Smith? Come on now, you dont treat a legend of your franchise like that.
I love people romanticizing Eli’s career. He’s sucked for years, and the Super Bowls were about the defense; however, the Giants did Eli dirty. Should’ve just let him finish the season, you want a high draft pick anyway right?
Tj Rod Eli did his part in those super bowls and playoffs, he limited turnovers, set a record for most yards in a playoff run (2011), and led two game winning drives also 7th all time in yards. Now he’s not good, but he’s a future hof and wasn’t carried. I️ mean his best receiver came two years ago
Peter Parker he shouldn’t get into the hall of fame but I’m sure he will be put on the ballot. His number will be retired and he’ll be put in the ring of honor.
I don’t feel bad for Eli but this is a GM/ Head coach issue. Look how many drops his receivers had last game. The offensive line has been horrible. 5 sacks last game. 6 sacks the one before that
Gen Smith has improved and is a decent and MOBILE. q b, which with this line, you need. and they might win more games with gen than with Eli, which would actually hurt the long term plans. Eli also has put the ball on the ground a bit when sacked. maybe geno gets away from the pressure and opens up the run game a little. when geno got hurt with the jets, the coaching staff was saying gen o was much better at recognition and he never had a chance to prove it.
Come on, Colin. This has nothing to do with him being benched. The problem is that he was benched for a guy the New Yorkers know pretty well, and he's not the solution and you have absolutely nothing to see from him that everybody doesn't know. Eli is two time Super Bowl MVP, he deserves better
Yeah I stopped listening at that point, TBH. Church is generally speaking not important in blue states, which the east coast is pretty much chock full of.
Yeah most of the traditional churchiness startz south of DC.. but most of the South East which represent a massive chunk of the East Coast banner, are suuuuper conservative.
What qb in the league besides aaron rodgers can do anything with 4th 5th6th string recieves horrible O line and 0 running game no qb in the league can over come that
Clorox Bleach he said that Rodgers and manning are the only two QBs that can have success with bad rosters around them. That kinda implies he thinks eli is the 2nd best qb lmao
In all my years as a giants fan I have only watched 1 quarterback start under centre. Eli was the hardest working player who I knew and was truly an inspiration. For a team he has helped get 2 SB's to slap him and tell him that geno gives a better chance to win is truly sad. Coach McAdoo must be trying to save his job because its apparently eli's fault when there is a garbage offenceive line starring eric flowers and "chad wheeler" an average run game at best, and a receiving core which stares Rodger Lewis, Tavarres King, and Travis Rudolph. Look at eli's stats when He has only sterling sheppard, eli had a 114 passer rating with sterling. Imagine if he had OBJ and Brandon marshall. But eli fought harder and harder and only 1 thing could stop him ..... his own team.
You miss the point Colin. Eli is symbolic of goodness and character. You are talking about him as if when someone dies you should simply say "Hey, that guys dead so lets pretend he didn't live. Let's not honor him, let's act like that person's value is exactly the same as the guy who bagged my groceries."
Answer me this Colin. How do you honestly evaluate Smith or Webb behind that offensive line, with no running game or pass catchers. You can't make an honest determination if Webb is the guy for the future in 5 weeks left in the season.
They’ll be able to see which QB has better escapability, and can throw on the run; something the modern QB’s are doing more of. It also forces LB’s to stay near the line instead of dropping in to zone when there is a mobile QB. This opens up the middle of the field for their slot receivers and TE’s. Having a mobile QB is like having a guy like Steph Curry in the NBA, he creates so much space and spreads the defense.
I think you are missing the point about the negative reactions. It's not anger because they're moving on from Eli, because it probably is time, but it's anger because of how it was carried out, in such a disrespectful way to a city icon who won 2 super bowls for them in his better years
Two years ago he was a top QB in the league, let down by poor defenses. He was pretty good last year too. Apart from 2013, Eli has been good over the past 4 years
I wish they would've just let him finish out the season. I guess they don't want to trade him if they're benching him. Sounds weird. Sounds like McAdoo just like to bench guys like hes a college coach or something.
Life long Giants fan transplanted from New Jersey to Denver over 20 years ago. I never thought Eli was a primo quarterback but watching whats happening with the Broncos fumbling around with their QB's let the giants release him so he can come here. I feel bad for the guy and the Broncs need a decent QB. Fans here still have their manning jerseys anyway!
Eli was and is a staple of Toughness, Leadership, qualities we admire here in NY Eli is a legend here, he slayed the patriot machine TWICE, he isnt the best regular season QB of all time, but he is the most reliable, the most dependable, and the best in big games! He beat Farve in Green Bay, He beat the IMMORTAL aaron rodgers IN GREEN BAY WITH THE SEASON ON THE LINE. When you explained the northeast, i thought you would understand we do not care how much money he makes, or what his numbers in 2013 were, We care about the person who has been there for us every single day for 14 years. Owed better than this.
i think the outrage was more towards how the Giants handled this--particularly Ben McAdoo's comments--and the fact that they're benching him for *Geno Smith*
See u talk about east vs West I'll tell you something about the east. I've grown up in Brooklyn my whole life. In NYC it's championship or bust. So if Eli went 11-5 (last season) it the same bust season as 2013 that Colin is talking about but nobody cares because this man delivered two championships to the city !!!! He has proved himself to us and we will take 2 chips any day over a QB who is pretty good but never wins Romo Dalton Palmer even Newton
Colin the Yankees knew Jeter was over the hill yet still let him bow out gracefully. Why insult Eli and say "hey we'll let you start the first half to keep your streak alive but you're getting benched for the second half, cool? ok". It was low and classless. Obviously he is on the decline but you have to let him finish the season, because with the pieces around him its not like they were going to win very many games going ahead anyway.
Geno Smith will start and get injured and then Eli will be back. Eli brought them 2 championships. They need to show this man more respect. Eli has never been afforded the same respect as any of the other top quarterbacks.
Want to address what this team should do in the up coming draft. DO NOT TAKE A QB WITH THAT TOP THREE PICK IF THAT'S WHERE WE STAY!!! This team needs to trade back to aquire another first rounder or a high 2nd round pick. 3 top 35 picks is what we should be shooting for with all the help that we need up front and in the running game. There's no reason why this team should bail on Webb if he dosent produce when he's thrown into action this season. You give him some pieces in the off season and see if you can make a franchise QB with this kid. Do not just take a QB in the first round with absolutely no foundation set or we will end up like the Cleveland Browns mark my words. Go with Webb for a few years with the full arsenal and in the meantime build the line. If Webb fails then you get your QB with the foundation for that QB to succeed. This is exactly the way it should be done.
Why is no one roasting the Patriots for letting a franchise QB leave and only getting a 2nd round pick (which is what they used on Garrapolo in the 1st place) back? But muh Belichick genius
I don't thin anybody is really seeing this as Lèse-majesté. Personally I just think Eli is still a very good, above average starting Qb and that he is not the main reason for the Giants woes. When they see Geno Smith in action they'll realize how good Eli is.
Let's talk again when Eli Manning gets an offensive line... I love how people put all the blame on Eli Manning like he's the only dude on the team. You know nothing. -Love a Giant's fan.
Here is the problem with the argument that Eli has been trash for his entire career. You say it was all the DEFENSE and the TEAM that won the 2 SB and Eli was just along for the ride. Then when the giants miss the playoffs or have a bad season, its all because Eli is trash. You cant have it both ways. Perfect example - 2015. Eli threw 4400+ yards, 35 TD, 63% completions, 93.6 rating. Guess what, the giants went 6-10 that year. The reason? the defense that year set historically bad records. Drew Brees is great right? He's made the playoffs the same amount of seasons as Eli, and Brees has been a starter longer. Does he suck too because the Saints have missed the playoffs more than half of the time? I bet Eli could go to the Jaguars next year and win a 3rd Superbowl and people would still think he sucks. You dont have to be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers to still be considered a good QB.
What Colin said makes a lot of sense. If the Giants know Eli will not be their QB next season, then they’re going to look to draft a QB. If it’s through the draft then of course they don’t want to win the remaining games. Eli gives them the best chance to win in an already meaningless season. Eli is now guaranteed to be healthy for next season for whichever team he’ll sign with.
Dude hasn't had a competent o-line or running game since 2010 and gets all the blame, guarantee if Ernie Accorsi had stayed the general manager of this team the conversation about Eli's career is VERY different right now.
Beckham didn't play the first 6ish games of 2014, and has missed most of this season, and Eli's numbers in those games still looked nothing like his 2013 numbers (for the better). So guess again there Colin. The guy had a bad year, in large part because the team played a system that they were completely unable to execute with their personnel at the time. As soon as they switched to a system that hid their woefully inept offensive line a bit though, the numbers went up, even before Odell played a game.
I feel like the giants made the right move benching Eli. he's not playing well and he not playing to his former super bowl level. and it a good opportunity for someone else to have a opportunity to start and show what they can do.
As a Viking fan, I'm going to miss Eli being blue/purple colorblind, but I feel that this was a long time coming. Also, it's absurd to think that Eli deserves to be elected to the hall of fame when Randy Moss and Terrell Owens aren't/won't be
They shouldn't use him as a scapegoat for the season as with the bad defense,bad coaching, dropped catches, injured WR's they had this year yet he takes the blame.One thing to try Webb but Geno? The guy is trash and for the coach to say they have a better chance with Geno who numbers are atrocious than Eli is crazy. Also last year in that post season game it was Beckman and others who dropped passes that caused them to lose. Put Eli on the Broncos and like '08 he would beat Brady this year.Eli is getting old but he not horrible to be benched and on a good team he can wi you games and post season games.Let Eli go like Peyton to another team and he will win again.
It's funny to me that colin didn't even respond to Plexico's statement because it was no different than the original asinine argument of "respect". There was nothing for Colin to say that he didn't just say.
Every year experts complain bout giants o line problems that it's a huge weakness then forget it n blame it on Eli. If he had a line n all the receivers weren't hurt he'd be doing fine. He's not mobile he needs a good line. The guy palys every day never gets hurt n gave u 2 super bowls most franchises would sign up to have 2 super bowl wins in which Eli played beautifully n made 2 if the most amazing throws ever
This is BS, Colin does not know the situation. Eli bottomed out in 2013 because the OL completely decayed, and they ran Gilbride’s offense, which relied on more intermediate to deep routes. They have had a pathetic running game for several years. McAdoo came in and installed West Coast principles to mask the poor OL. After two successful years of the McAdoo offense (and OBJ), the rest of the league caught up. The offense was not good last year, and even worse this year. Eli shares responsibility in that, but he’s not even close to one of the top 15 reasons why the Giants suck. Eli Apple has been playing with very low effort, watch the SF game on the Beathard TD.
I would be cool if they benched him for someone else rather than Geno smith, but we know what Geno is and he definitely isn’t better than Eli. I think that’s why people are outraged by this whole thing
Maybe the Giants are playing Geno for 1 of 2 reasons. To either keep the team losing for draft reasons or to hope Geno plays really well so the Giants can use Geno in a trade in swapping picks with the possible #1 or #2 overall pick. Only thing i can think of. Cause G. Smith sucks!
Keeps bringing up 2013, pretty sure he won a Super Bowl the year before against the “ Greatest QB “ Tom Brady. Us Giants fans are upset because of the replacement of smith, also he deserves to play the rest of the season (which he will because McAdoo n Reese are fired)
i like how fans are against new players getting a chance to showcase their skill until that new player becomes the new tom brady and rogers... give the kids a chances... look at houston with their new QB who did amazingly until a crazy injury happened... we need new blood to run the team that can motivate the o-line to do better... there is a saying global football that goes " its easier to replace one man than an entire team... and thats what the giants are doing... the players just dont feel like playing for eli and thats why they let him get knocked... everyone knows the giants new lead player is odell and when eli ratted him out it was over for him
I'm with Colin on this, i love this narrative on how we need to feel sorry for Eli or that Eli deserves better... ridiculous, this is the way of things, they would have done the same to Peyton if he decided to come back for one more season in Denver, it's what there gonna do to Carson palmer in Arizona n what there doing now in Kansas city.. things are brand new until there not n Eli like all the other greats will finish his career elsewhere, comeback 5 to 10 years laters sign a 1 day contract and retire as a giant.. have a nice half time ceremony and life will go on..
Don’t disagree about the point of blowing it up and starting over.. but it’s not like they are on the fence of the playoffs or anything.. let the guy finish and part ways then..
Eli has been pretty awful. They have a right to move on. It just seems a little harsh and insensitive to do that to your franchise double Super Bowl winning QB like this.
Divorce is a big deal. It's breaking a solemn vowel to be married until death parts you. Divorce for asinine reasons show you're an untrustworthy and wishy-washy person.
I see why he's not at ESPN. Eli has had no I repeat no I repeat no offense of line or running game and if you look at that playoff game last year , sheperd, and o'dell dropped two touchdown passes. look at the tape. c'mon Collin.
Jeter had a 162 game going away tour, Legends for your team deserve to go out on there terms I don’t care if it’s LeBron or Eli. And by the way this wouldn’t be a huge issue like it is if they would of just started Davis Webb instead of the dumpster fire that Geno Smith is
This is actually pretty stupid. How is Eli supposed to even complete passes with an O line that is busted up and gives him no time in the pocket. Not to mention all his weapons are taken away.
At least be classy and move on with Eli after the season. He isn't fully at fault and at least let the man keep his legendary streak. He has never missed a game and he's always been in the game. They don't have their starting 4 WR's lol. No run game, bad O-Line, TRASH defense.
Eli threw 20 plus interceptions 3 Times in different seasons probably more but that’s off the top of my head 😂 I’m only 20 and I’ve been saying he’s trash since I was 13
What are your thoughts on Eli Manning being Benched?
The Herd with Colin Cowherd I agree with you Eli been over the hill for years this decision is two years late in my opinion
I’m an eagles fan and I honestly wish the nfc east was more competitive this year
The Herd with Colin Cowherd The Giants stink, aren't making the playoffs. Eli is old and washed up, better days were behind him. He's made his money and Giants needed to move on from him and they're simply tanking the rest of the season; they figured, hey McAddoo is getting fired, lets let it fly and see if we can get a top 5 draft pick
Colin, your opinion on the west being better than the east because divorce and Hollywood is better than tradition is one of the dumber things I've heard out of you.
When someone has to talk about someone's salary to start their diatribe, and totally ignores the coaches role in this, they're mouthpiecing.
If your a collin cowherd fan can you expect to hear these words everyday
1.divorce
2. Jeff bezos
3. Amazon
4. My former employer
5. Apple
6. When I moved to California
7. Silicon Valley
Don't forget Silicon Valley
Charles Amofordjuoh oh lord how could I forget that
Johnny pierre and LeBron lmao
You have to add in "vegas"
Johnny pierre straight fax
Some things will never change:
- Death
- Taxes
- Colin talking about divorce
Dylan Goertz death and colin talking about divorce cannot coexist, because colin is going to die one day and therefore will not be able to talk about divorce
So all of sudden this is all on Eli. Bad offensive line average receivers and no running game. I'm ok with moving on from Eli but to slap him in the face like this is disrespectful
Darkwa's been decent though for the run game, I know he's a no name but he's played quite well this season. I believe averaging over 4 yards a carry.
Christian Jones "Average receivers" lmaoooo you've never watched football
Glen Welch Other than Odell
Christian Jones he's been garbage his entire career with a bunch of different players. Tell me one elite year in his entire career. He's had two good runs in the playoffs but outside of that he's been god awful
Colin always talks bad about The Manning's and the Giants
This dude and divorce. Damn bruh. Go see a therapist
Carl du Plessis he probably has one
He divorced his therapist
Around the 4 minute mark he talks about pushing legends out. I’ll bet my house he won’t say the same thing when it’s Lebrons turn.
Boy Wonder lebron will never be the goat
Boy Wonder nope mj better all around
That is bc Eli & LeBron are worlds apart in terms of what they’ve accomplished & what Bron will continue to do at a high level for many more years to come
Lebron is at least a top 10 PLAYER in NBA history, if not top 5. Eli Manning was never a top 5 player at HIS OWN POSITION when he played.
Ruler of Worlds he already is.
Colin you're right that the Giants can move on from Eli, but why in the middle of the season?? Geno Smith is not our future. Benching Eli is just humiliating him.
Jeff Li did you not watch the video? So they can get a top two pick
You have to show your backup QBs playing in a real NFL game before you can use them as trade bait. Brady's 4 game suspension last year is why Jacoby Brissett AND Jimmy G are starting this Sunday.
Would be ok with Webb..but come on!
I hate how everything is about stats. If you actually look at a Giants game, Eli throws to a wide open receiver or runner out of the backfield and they can't catch. Then if he wants to throw a deep ball, the o-line gives him absolutely no time for the play to develop. He can't run a pass action cause they can't get a strong run game developed. His 3 top receivers are out. Do you expect him to target a tight end 20 times a game or something? And does anyone actually thinking Geno Smith is going to do better? Just start Davis Webb and see what the kid can do instead of starting a complete failure of a QB and thinking everything is solved.
I'm at Pat's fan so I know what Eli has done. He's had absolutely no protection, that O line stinks, his primary receiver is injured and the defence is not great. I don't think this is fair. Smith is not the answer, they probably looking to secure 2nd overall pick so they get Darnold, Mayfield or Rosen and start a new era.
Stephen Doyle you wouldn't need the second pick for Mayfield. You wouldn't even need a first rounder
Stephen Doyle Definitely aren’t going for Mayfield, I’m hopeful that the Browns take Arnold and Giants get Rosen, I️ have more faith in Rosen in the league than I️ do Darnold
or he goes to Pats favorite team Denver lol
Another poor take. They have had a bad offensive line for years. It wasn't Eli who drafted Ereck Flowers
Oh yea, I'm sure the west coast is all about not being sentimental. Not like the Lakers kept Kobe around for years after he was a level below garbage or anything...
Nice try Colin. You're not fooling anyone.
Roaming Shaman don't play with kobe like that boy
They kept kobe around cause of the revenue he generated for them even in years when he barely played. Kobe is a guaranteed sold out game at home or on the road, and remained a top tier merch mover in the league. None of those apply to eli.
Ricardo Rodriguez I think there was also a contract/stipulation with an organization close to the Lakers to keep Kobe in LA too. I forget how it went though
Plax was right. The Giants line is trash and the recievers been dropping everything in sight. Plus the D is not playing as good as last year. The Giants are violating Eli by benching him for Geno
Eli was trash when he had a good offense wtf you talkin bout
Eli has NEVER been a good quarterback. Get over it.
Their benching him to save his legacy. Wat does Eli get playing behind dat line with no playmakers. Throwing picks nd getting sacked nd at worst injured nd can't play ever again
courteo exactly man it’s terrible and you can tell people are just looking at stats not clearly watching the games because, if they were watching the games you’d see that!
The seahawks o-line is trash, Russell Wilson runs and spins around fifteen yards behind the line of scrimmage, the seahawks defense is not as good as the last four years and wilson is still an mvp candidate
This dude can not get over his ex wife lmfaoo
Shouldn't you be talking about LeMe
When Kobe retired people were also emotional right?? And isn’t LA in the west?
Tinne Meesters true, very very rarely it happens. Kobe is a top 8 player all time though.
Terrible coaching, no o-line, no running game, recievers been injured, league leading 28 dropped passes, average defence is all on Eli? Despite that he has 2411 Yards 14 TDs and 7 INTs. How is that bad? And you are benching him for Geno Smith? We have seen him play, he ain't good. Davis Webb i could understand, he is a rookie but Geno Smith? Come on now, you dont treat a legend of your franchise like that.
I love people romanticizing Eli’s career. He’s sucked for years, and the Super Bowls were about the defense; however, the Giants did Eli dirty. Should’ve just let him finish the season, you want a high draft pick anyway right?
Tj Rod 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tj Rod Eli did his part in those super bowls and playoffs, he limited turnovers, set a record for most yards in a playoff run (2011), and led two game winning drives also 7th all time in yards. Now he’s not good, but he’s a future hof and wasn’t carried. I️ mean his best receiver came two years ago
Peter Parker he shouldn’t get into the hall of fame but I’m sure he will be put on the ballot. His number will be retired and he’ll be put in the ring of honor.
Damn
MisterMagma what?
before I watch the video I bet colin with mention his ex wife or divorce multiple times
I don’t feel bad for Eli but this is a GM/ Head coach issue. Look how many drops his receivers had last game. The offensive line has been horrible. 5 sacks last game. 6 sacks the one before that
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Gen Smith has improved and is a decent and MOBILE. q b, which with this line, you need. and they might win more games with gen than with Eli, which would actually hurt the long term plans. Eli also has put the ball on the ground a bit when sacked. maybe geno gets away from the pressure and opens up the run game a little.
when geno got hurt with the jets, the coaching staff was saying gen o was much better at recognition and he never had a chance to prove it.
Come on, Colin. This has nothing to do with him being benched. The problem is that he was benched for a guy the New Yorkers know pretty well, and he's not the solution and you have absolutely nothing to see from him that everybody doesn't know. Eli is two time Super Bowl MVP, he deserves better
Exactly he played horribly in the same Stadium why even bother!
I love the way you frame your arguments
Ive lived on the east coast my entire life and I have no idea what Cowherd is talking about with traditions and cathedrals....
Yeah I stopped listening at that point, TBH. Church is generally speaking not important in blue states, which the east coast is pretty much chock full of.
Yeah most of the traditional churchiness startz south of DC.. but most of the South East which represent a massive chunk of the East Coast banner, are suuuuper conservative.
Sounded like he's turning this into a Liberal Vs Conservative pissing match.
What qb in the league besides aaron rodgers can do anything with 4th 5th6th string recieves horrible O line and 0 running game no qb in the league can over come that
Tom Brady.
Lmao are u calling Eli Manning the 2nd best quarterback in football?
Clorox Bleach he said that Rodgers and manning are the only two QBs that can have success with bad rosters around them. That kinda implies he thinks eli is the 2nd best qb lmao
Hayden Gallina he didn’t say that at all
Hayden Gallina considering that Eli was not having success i dont think thats what he meant
In all my years as a giants fan I have only watched 1 quarterback start under centre. Eli was the hardest working player who I knew and was truly an inspiration. For a team he has helped get 2 SB's to slap him and tell him that geno gives a better chance to win is truly sad. Coach McAdoo must be trying to save his job because its apparently eli's fault when there is a garbage offenceive line starring eric flowers and "chad wheeler" an average run game at best, and a receiving core which stares Rodger Lewis, Tavarres King, and Travis Rudolph. Look at eli's stats when He has only sterling sheppard, eli had a 114 passer rating with sterling. Imagine if he had OBJ and Brandon marshall. But eli fought harder and harder and only 1 thing could stop him ..... his own team.
Wtf, Colin is talking like he knows everything about the west. Kobe wasn't moved from the Lakers so his point on tradition is moot.
You miss the point Colin. Eli is symbolic of goodness and character. You are talking about him as if when someone dies you should simply say "Hey, that guys dead so lets pretend he didn't live. Let's not honor him, let's act like that person's value is exactly the same as the guy who bagged my groceries."
Answer me this Colin. How do you honestly evaluate Smith or Webb behind that offensive line, with no running game or pass catchers. You can't make an honest determination if Webb is the guy for the future in 5 weeks left in the season.
They’ll be able to see which QB has better escapability, and can throw on the run; something the modern QB’s are doing more of. It also forces LB’s to stay near the line instead of dropping in to zone when there is a mobile QB. This opens up the middle of the field for their slot receivers and TE’s. Having a mobile QB is like having a guy like Steph Curry in the NBA, he creates so much space and spreads the defense.
The issue isn't Manning it's the coaching staff
Love the Plaxico segment, don't always agree with you but love the show.
Notice how it was cut off after plax was done talking
Cowherd is so poetic when he elaborates on his points.
Benching Eli for Geno Smith is like getting a flat tire on your old atv in the middle of a muddy pasture and deciding to ditch it for a skateboard.
I can't believe people aren't buying what you said Colin. Literally factual.
I think you are missing the point about the negative reactions. It's not anger because they're moving on from Eli, because it probably is time, but it's anger because of how it was carried out, in such a disrespectful way to a city icon who won 2 super bowls for them in his better years
He said belichek woulda ran Eli out 4years ago😂😭
Meanwhile Shannon Sharpe is bitching about how Kaepernick is better than Eli AND Geno lol :)
Andrew Ackley he is lol
Two years ago he was a top QB in the league, let down by poor defenses. He was pretty good last year too. Apart from 2013, Eli has been good over the past 4 years
I wish they would've just let him finish out the season. I guess they don't want to trade him if they're benching him. Sounds weird. Sounds like McAdoo just like to bench guys like hes a college coach or something.
Life long Giants fan transplanted from New Jersey to Denver over 20 years ago. I never thought Eli was a primo quarterback but watching whats happening with the Broncos fumbling around with their QB's let the giants release him so he can come here. I feel bad for the guy and the Broncs need a decent QB. Fans here still have their manning jerseys anyway!
Anyone else notice that Burress is at MLB Network's Studio K in Seacacus, NJ
Eli was and is a staple of Toughness, Leadership, qualities we admire here in NY Eli is a legend here, he slayed the patriot machine TWICE, he isnt the best regular season QB of all time, but he is the most reliable, the most dependable, and the best in big games! He beat Farve in Green Bay, He beat the IMMORTAL aaron rodgers IN GREEN BAY WITH THE SEASON ON THE LINE. When you explained the northeast, i thought you would understand we do not care how much money he makes, or what his numbers in 2013 were, We care about the person who has been there for us every single day for 14 years. Owed better than this.
this is how we feel in NY 100%, deadspin.com/mike-francesa-loses-his-mind-over-the-giants-benching-e-1820830940
i think the outrage was more towards how the Giants handled this--particularly Ben McAdoo's comments--and the fact that they're benching him for *Geno Smith*
See u talk about east vs West I'll tell you something about the east. I've grown up in Brooklyn my whole life. In NYC it's championship or bust. So if Eli went 11-5 (last season) it the same bust season as 2013 that Colin is talking about but nobody cares because this man delivered two championships to the city !!!! He has proved himself to us and we will take 2 chips any day over a QB who is pretty good but never wins Romo Dalton Palmer even Newton
Colin the Yankees knew Jeter was over the hill yet still let him bow out gracefully. Why insult Eli and say "hey we'll let you start the first half to keep your streak alive but you're getting benched for the second half, cool? ok". It was low and classless. Obviously he is on the decline but you have to let him finish the season, because with the pieces around him its not like they were going to win very many games going ahead anyway.
Geno Smith will start and get injured and then Eli will be back. Eli brought them 2 championships. They need to show this man more respect. Eli has never been afforded the same respect as any of the other top quarterbacks.
I totally agree I never thought that Eli was a elite quarterback after his 2nd super bowl
hmm didn't think about the draft theory you actually make sense on this one Colin kudos!
Want to address what this team should do in the up coming draft. DO NOT TAKE A QB WITH THAT TOP THREE PICK IF THAT'S WHERE WE STAY!!! This team needs to trade back to aquire another first rounder or a high 2nd round pick. 3 top 35 picks is what we should be shooting for with all the help that we need up front and in the running game. There's no reason why this team should bail on Webb if he dosent produce when he's thrown into action this season. You give him some pieces in the off season and see if you can make a franchise QB with this kid. Do not just take a QB in the first round with absolutely no foundation set or we will end up like the Cleveland Browns mark my words. Go with Webb for a few years with the full arsenal and in the meantime build the line. If Webb fails then you get your QB with the foundation for that QB to succeed. This is exactly the way it should be done.
Why is no one roasting the Patriots for letting a franchise QB leave and only getting a 2nd round pick (which is what they used on Garrapolo in the 1st place) back? But muh Belichick genius
I don't thin anybody is really seeing this as Lèse-majesté. Personally I just think Eli is still a very good, above average starting Qb and that he is not the main reason for the Giants woes.
When they see Geno Smith in action they'll realize how good Eli is.
I️ always like Colin’s point of view, while I’m against how the Giants went about it I️ feel better about the future of my team.
Colin's right. Eli is done. He helped the Giants win 2 super bowls. They paid him $150 million in return. They don't "owe" him anything.
Let's talk again when Eli Manning gets an offensive line... I love how people put all the blame on Eli Manning like he's the only dude on the team. You know nothing. -Love a Giant's fan.
Here is the problem with the argument that Eli has been trash for his entire career. You say it was all the DEFENSE and the TEAM that won the 2 SB and Eli was just along for the ride. Then when the giants miss the playoffs or have a bad season, its all because Eli is trash. You cant have it both ways. Perfect example - 2015. Eli threw 4400+ yards, 35 TD, 63% completions, 93.6 rating. Guess what, the giants went 6-10 that year. The reason? the defense that year set historically bad records. Drew Brees is great right? He's made the playoffs the same amount of seasons as Eli, and Brees has been a starter longer. Does he suck too because the Saints have missed the playoffs more than half of the time? I bet Eli could go to the Jaguars next year and win a 3rd Superbowl and people would still think he sucks. You dont have to be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers to still be considered a good QB.
What if he goes to the Broncos next season and wins a super bowl
What Colin said makes a lot of sense. If the Giants know Eli will not be their QB next season, then they’re going to look to draft a QB. If it’s through the draft then of course they don’t want to win the remaining games. Eli gives them the best chance to win in an already meaningless season. Eli is now guaranteed to be healthy for next season for whichever team he’ll sign with.
At least he recognised Eli as a legend
Dude hasn't had a competent o-line or running game since 2010 and gets all the blame, guarantee if Ernie Accorsi had stayed the general manager of this team the conversation about Eli's career is VERY different right now.
Beckham didn't play the first 6ish games of 2014, and has missed most of this season, and Eli's numbers in those games still looked nothing like his 2013 numbers (for the better). So guess again there Colin. The guy had a bad year, in large part because the team played a system that they were completely unable to execute with their personnel at the time. As soon as they switched to a system that hid their woefully inept offensive line a bit though, the numbers went up, even before Odell played a game.
Anyone going to mention how bad the NY Giants are at running the ball, blocking, or catching the ball? You know, important football things...
I feel like the giants made the right move benching Eli. he's not playing well and he not playing to his former super bowl level. and it a good opportunity for someone else to have a opportunity to start and show what they can do.
As a Viking fan, I'm going to miss Eli being blue/purple colorblind, but I feel that this was a long time coming. Also, it's absurd to think that Eli deserves to be elected to the hall of fame when Randy Moss and Terrell Owens aren't/won't be
I bring up the obj argument all time when discussing "best wr in the league " look who obj had throwing too him 😂
They shouldn't use him as a scapegoat for the season as with the bad defense,bad coaching, dropped catches, injured WR's they had this year yet he takes the blame.One thing to try Webb but Geno? The guy is trash and for the coach to say they have a better chance with Geno who numbers are atrocious than Eli is crazy. Also last year in that post season game it was Beckman and others who dropped passes that caused them to lose.
Put Eli on the Broncos and like '08 he would beat Brady this year.Eli is getting old but he not horrible to be benched and on a good team he can wi you games and post season games.Let Eli go like Peyton to another team and he will win again.
It's funny to me that colin didn't even respond to Plexico's statement because it was no different than the original asinine argument of "respect". There was nothing for Colin to say that he didn't just say.
Every year experts complain bout giants o line problems that it's a huge weakness then forget it n blame it on Eli. If he had a line n all the receivers weren't hurt he'd be doing fine. He's not mobile he needs a good line. The guy palys every day never gets hurt n gave u 2 super bowls most franchises would sign up to have 2 super bowl wins in which Eli played beautifully n made 2 if the most amazing throws ever
I rather start Webb then trash geno
This is BS, Colin does not know the situation. Eli bottomed out in 2013 because the OL completely decayed, and they ran Gilbride’s offense, which relied on more intermediate to deep routes. They have had a pathetic running game for several years. McAdoo came in and installed West Coast principles to mask the poor OL. After two successful years of the McAdoo offense (and OBJ), the rest of the league caught up. The offense was not good last year, and even worse this year. Eli shares responsibility in that, but he’s not even close to one of the top 15 reasons why the Giants suck. Eli Apple has been playing with very low effort, watch the SF game on the Beathard TD.
Colin was spot on
Here for the divorce analogies.
I would be cool if they benched him for someone else rather than Geno smith, but we know what Geno is and he definitely isn’t better than Eli. I think that’s why people are outraged by this whole thing
Maybe the Giants are playing Geno for 1 of 2 reasons. To either keep the team losing for draft reasons or to hope Geno plays really well so the Giants can use Geno in a trade in swapping picks with the possible #1 or #2 overall pick. Only thing i can think of. Cause G. Smith sucks!
Hahaha "Knicks moved on from Clyde Frazier to Melo." Frazier played in the 70's, Melo came over in like 2009 cmon man
Keeps bringing up 2013, pretty sure he won a Super Bowl the year before against the “ Greatest QB “ Tom Brady. Us Giants fans are upset because of the replacement of smith, also he deserves to play the rest of the season (which he will because McAdoo n Reese are fired)
If Eli played for belichick he'd be considered the greatest quarterback ever
i like how fans are against new players getting a chance to showcase their skill until that new player becomes the new tom brady and rogers... give the kids a chances... look at houston with their new QB who did amazingly until a crazy injury happened... we need new blood to run the team that can motivate the o-line to do better... there is a saying global football that goes " its easier to replace one man than an entire team... and thats what the giants are doing... the players just dont feel like playing for eli and thats why they let him get knocked... everyone knows the giants new lead player is odell and when eli ratted him out it was over for him
I'm with Colin on this, i love this narrative on how we need to feel sorry for Eli or that Eli deserves better... ridiculous, this is the way of things, they would have done the same to Peyton if he decided to come back for one more season in Denver, it's what there gonna do to Carson palmer in Arizona n what there doing now in Kansas city.. things are brand new until there not n Eli like all the other greats will finish his career elsewhere, comeback 5 to 10 years laters sign a 1 day contract and retire as a giant.. have a nice half time ceremony and life will go on..
Mayfield is the best Quarterback in the draft, by far. Darnold will be lucky to play for 3 years, and that is not playing at all in year 1
Don’t disagree about the point of blowing it up and starting over.. but it’s not like they are on the fence of the playoffs or anything.. let the guy finish and part ways then..
The problem isn’t why they did it. The problem is HOW they did it.
The way Colin speaks always makes me laugh. His cadence is just so silly
Eli has been pretty awful. They have a right to move on. It just seems a little harsh and insensitive to do that to your franchise double Super Bowl winning QB like this.
Divorce is a big deal. It's breaking a solemn vowel to be married until death parts you. Divorce for asinine reasons show you're an untrustworthy and wishy-washy person.
I see why he's not at ESPN. Eli has had no I repeat no I repeat no offense of line or running game and if you look at that playoff game last year , sheperd, and o'dell dropped two touchdown passes. look at the tape. c'mon Collin.
Jeter had a 162 game going away tour, Legends for your team deserve to go out on there terms I don’t care if it’s LeBron or Eli. And by the way this wouldn’t be a huge issue like it is if they would of just started Davis Webb instead of the dumpster fire that Geno Smith is
Jerry Reese is the WORST general manager in the history of the Giants. He drafted that bozo , Beckham. What a blunder!
Jimmy Grappolo isn't going to resurrect the 49ers. Just because he played under Brady doesn't mean nothing. Calm down
Can't blame Eli for bad offensive linemen bro. Learn to say the right thing before saying anything. :]
No you can’t blame Eli he is forced to throw the ball cause jerry Reese overlooked the Offensive Line
The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Play dirty to legend, send bad message, lose fans. Absolutely mishandled.
This is actually pretty stupid. How is Eli supposed to even complete passes with an O line that is busted up and gives him no time in the pocket. Not to mention all his weapons are taken away.
Well said herd
Agree Colin but everybody thinks there picking on Eli no he is just the first of many changes to come GO BIG BLUE
Everybody is forgetting that Eli turned down a chance to start....
At least be classy and move on with Eli after the season. He isn't fully at fault and at least let the man keep his legendary streak. He has never missed a game and he's always been in the game. They don't have their starting 4 WR's lol. No run game, bad O-Line, TRASH defense.
eli is one of the most clutch QB's in NFL history...but his tIme has came and went...its a new era now...time for eli to call it a day!
Eli threw 20 plus interceptions 3 Times in different seasons probably more but that’s off the top of my head 😂 I’m only 20 and I’ve been saying he’s trash since I was 13
Maybe since season over they don't want Eli getting unnecessary injury
no WR, no Line, no RB.. Geno is not the future, so why dont just let Eli finish up the season?
Jek Lee because one way or another, Eli is gone. He’s protected for trade value. Jacksonville maybe? Tom Coughlin is there