Why did Ramana Maharshi say that the body is a thought?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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Ego creates body and experiences which are thoughts orginating from a vase thought of ego.
Once ego is felt as unreal and extinct, all body or objective thoughts become extinct.
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Thank you Michael James. ❤ The simplicity of the pure I.
A molecule is a thought with the potential to reveal new thoughts in the form of atoms. An atom is a thought with the potential to reveal new thoughts in the form of protons and electrons. The point is, it's within consciousness. It's like reminding someone they're only dreaming to ease them of their fear.
Thank you for posting these small gems from Michael’s very much appreciated, long explanations.
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Well said sir.. thank u for this video
The body is a thought FORM.
In realization.. all bodies are experienced as Thought forms.
No cohesive, continuing, organized thing constituting a "form". Just data, programs, suggesting appearance/sensation, etc.
Yes, all phenomenon are part of this mental reagion of this Universe.
But this universe is bigger than mind.
There are Oceans of Love that are fare greater then the Physical Cosmos.
Wow nicely explained
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Nice
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I was meditating and the body and the surroundings disappeared into this nothingness. I was still aware but I was nothing. After like 5 mins, I found the body again and after a couple attempts opened my eyes. That’s when I knew that the body is just a concept in the mind.
The so-called body & mind are literally programs, "software".
Everything "known" is just data.
There's no cohesive, organized, continuing thing called a body or a mind. Data runs & suggests that there's something called a body/mind.
Maybe be brother
What he is truly trying to say is that
Body is real,
but the mental picture we create that i m the body and have image of ourselves in brain that i am what i see in the mirror is fallacy and untrue
Simply Body is actuality with all its senses
But the thought or very strong belief or notion that i am this body with all the identifications based on memories (senses) or rembrance of senses is not actuality
For very deep clarity of that one must deeply go into the question that
1) Am I the senses ?
because it is the building block of all the experiences and memories and perception is based on senses
2) Am i only a bundle of memories ?
2)what is awareness?
Is awareness bodily sense (listening, eyes , taste, touch,smell etc)
Is awareness any of the psychological feeling (desire , fear , happiness, pain )
Does awareness has anything to do with Body and brain
To understand the pure awareness
i think j Krishnamurthy is very right person you towards awareness..
Simply search j Krishnamurthy on
Attention, observation and awareness
I deeply want you too see his videos
Specially on attention and awareness....!
So please see
Totally exactly, sounds like myself talking to me
Everything is based on the initial hypothesis that Brahman alone real. This requires non-causal entities are to be denied…otherwise initial hypothesis is absurd.
The body is a Thought??
I thought it was an emotion
That the body is just a thought is a wrong statement which leads to a denial of the body and a reduction of it to consiousness. This cannot be right as the body is the basis for the subject-object distinction. On to the body hangs the senses, which means that if the body is just a thought so are the senses. With the senses we see objects, so then all objects are also thoughts and not real. The senses then are also thoughts then and so all perception is all thought based, which leads to pure subjectivity of what we see. A common worldexperience disappear then. All science then would become impossible. Saying it all just thought would lead to absurdities as thought as existing as an object is still acknowledged. Problem with this line of reasoning is that thoughts ittself are objects which are derived from objects we see. Thoughts have a distinctive shape, like letters which we see even when we just think. If what we see is a thought only, then a thought cannot exist as the shape of thoughts are derived from the sensory experience, like also using inner sounds when thinking. So saying that is something is not real because it is a thought, is ittself not real as a thought would be an object also which is defying ittself as all objects are just thoughts. Thoughts denying itsself as an object, because thoughtobjects are thoughts.
So ofcourse you can deny the idea of thought altogether and only recognize consiousness, but if you accept the idea of thoughts then also you will have to accept the idea of objects as existing, as thoughts are made as objects, and therefore als body, as the body is also an object. Even the reduction of everything to consiousness leads to the problem that consiousness stops being a knower, as there is nothing to be known. The sense of consiousness ittself goes away without experience, as with a mirror that stop acting like one when there is nothing to reflect. You cannot deny one thing and acknowledge the other, whether it is body relating to thought, or thought relating to conciousness. Ramana did not make this clear distinction which leads to confusion and wrong statements about reality.
Brother
That was really deeep that once again
Need to have a great look on your statement to bring clarity
And dig deeper
Maybe be brother
What he is truly trying to say is that
Body is real,
but the mental picture we create that i m the body and have image of ourselves in brain that i am what i see in the mirror is fallacy and untrue
Simply Body is actuality with all its senses
But the thought or very strong belief or notion that i am this body with all the identifications based on memories (senses) or rembrance of senses is not actuality
For very deep clarity of that one must deeply go into the question that
1) Am I the senses ?
because it is the building block of all the experiences and memories and perception is based on senses
2) Am i only a bundle of memories ?
2)what is awareness?
Is awareness bodily sense (listening, eyes , taste, touch,smell etc)
Is awareness any of the psychological feeling (desire , fear , happiness, pain )
Does awareness has anything to do with Body and brain
To understand the pure awareness
i think j Krishnamurthy is very right person you towards awareness..
Simply search j Krishnamurthy on
Attention, observation and awareness
I deeply want you too see his videos
Specially on attention and awareness....!
So please see
You seem to miss the point. Ramana said life is not different from a dream. Any dream appears in consciousness, is experienced by consciousness and consists of consciousness: consciousness is all there is. Life is but a dream. If you don't agree, there is a belief worth investigating.
You are correct. These people are mesmerised by the expression that you are GOD…that is not true. Space, time, actions, matter( includes body), machines( thought, mind etc) are the five entities ….in the universe that are non-causal…. But you are different from that
@@GeertMeertens that is not the case. Life seems to be a dream in the sense that you are the dreamer as you see the totality of the dream in you. But you cannot pull this analogy fully through to reality. This will lead to total solipsism that everybody you meet, even your mother is a creation by your mind. That other people ceases to exist when you are not looking at them and have no reality. Also all natural laws are then dreamed up by you, suggesting that you change gravity by just changing the dream, and can start to fly when you feel like. However reality is not like that.
You don't understand it because you never had a Spiritual experience in your whole life 😢, and yet you teach as if your a teacher . do your Meditation and see for yourself. ❤
You cant figure it out ...you can only EXPERIENCE it ....and then try to explain it to others ( a True Teacher) .
Sri Ramana (a true teacher 🙂) stated that any spiritual experience 👎 is a creation of mind and therefore not real. Actual Self-realization is NOT an experience since only the mind/ego can have experiences.
You suggest "do your meditation", what do you mean by that? Any meditation practice where the attention goes to an object like i.e. the breath, or "watching thoughts" etc. creates only unreal experiences that are nothing else then more subtle states of mind but NEVER actual Self-realization.
Only Self-enquiry or atma-vichara, as taught by Sri Ramana, is actually transcending duality and leads to the annihilation of the phantom mind. According to Sri Ramana, ANY spiritual experiences need to be ignored.
Alas, all of those many aspirants who had spiritual experiences or "awakenings" are confused and usually the ego got inflated in the process and many started teaching their confused interpretation like Tolle and many others. Obviously they are not on the same level as Sri Ramana, in fact they are deluded and confused.
The funny thing is, every time when I tell people the above they ignore it even though it comes from the highest authority possible (Sri Ramana Maharshi) because the ego got so attached to that fake state or past experience that it cannot let go of it. That requires actual humility and that is rarely to be found with people who boast about their spiritual experiences.
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