6 DRAGON BALL SUPER INCONSISTENCIES | A Dragonball Discussion
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- Dragon Ball, on the whole, is filled with plot holes and inconsistencies. Akira Toriyama isn't ashamed to admit that! So today, we will look at Dragon Ball Super and list some of its little errors that have garnered my attention. Let's discuss what they are and what could be done to fix them.
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Clearly Vegeta used the dragons to wish he was taller than his wife. A good wish I say.
Did he also wish he was a baller?
lol it could also be just the passage of time Bulma is a human woman and we women tend to loose height as we age we start to shrink so while they may have at one time been the same height over the passage of time it is very possible that she as her husband stated the same she began to shrink as she grew older.
Vegeta actually looks shorter in Super than in the Majin Saga. In Dragon Ball Super, it looks like Vegeta's build becomes close to his first appearance, but leaner.
Jenny Reinstadtler - bulma isnt 60+ lol.
Only super Dragonball s have that power
Masako the dinosaurs were brought to the future by Arale in the doctor slump manga. However, she didn't save all of them so technically Beerus did destroy the remaining dinosaurs.
Cool, I didnt know that. My theory was that Beerus destroyed Dinosaurs from Universe 6. Thats why their Earth is gone and why Beerus wanted to resurrect it.
But, oh well...
Yeah, it is even funnier when you realize according to the Dr.slump manga Beerus also created the moon.
so when you think about is Beerus has created more than Shin(supreme kai)
Shaun Bowen wow... I mean we all know that shin is a failure but this just takes it to a whole new level.
that's not what happened. akira just forgot there were dinosaurs.
the trunks hair thing wouldn't bother me as much cus, yknow, his hair matches bulmas (and I guess they just decided to make that change officially) but the fact that kid trunks still has the lavender hair and wasn't changed in super really highlights the inconsistency
Maybe that Future Trunks isn't the same one they met in DBZ? Cause you know... Multi verse theory.
@@imskxmo people's hair color changes over time. My cousin had light brown/blondish hair when he was around 3-4 but now his hair is dark brown, near black.
@@michaelmargono except Bulma instantly assumes Trunks has blue hair before she even sees him, while she asks kid Trunks to check the insides of the Time machine.
And Bulma already had blue hair when she was 16 in the original series. Not the manga, though, ofc.
Genetics cover that,Bulmas hair changes too
@@michaelmargono that could actually explain why kid Trunks has different hair color from future Trunks. It doesn't explain why future Trunks hair changed between Z and Super but I guess just retcon is a good enough excuse. Typically hair color change is around puberty so young Trunks changing from lavender to blue makes sense as he ages.
Krillin is short cause he got inches somewhere else 😏. 18 is with him for a reason just saiyan.
Nobody XIII HABAHABAHAHAHAHAHA.........so funny
Nobody XIII 😒
Nobody XIII everyrime he shrinks it gets bigger
Honestly Krillin is the luckiest character in DB
Yeah krillin has gigantic feet.
Waiting for Android 18 to comment in 3 2 1
GenesisLmao69 NO
Danix Max you a fan?
GenesisLmao69 just working with toei
Beneath you
GenesisLmao69 her comment is right below yours
Freiza's a *Mutant*
Baldie:"Freeza my Name is Professor Charles Xavier!"
Now i know who was the REAL perpetrators behind Westchester incident :p
best comment ever
sn In It probably reminded Freeza of the Jock Strap Incident... XD
Overlord9001
If only Ginyu were around to dig the holes.
Freiza saying he never trained before is also an inconsistency. He mentions training with his father in Z.
Unless he said it in the manga, it doesn't count.
Goku gets taller 2
Toriyama forgot
most possibly dub error
@Mustiboi Salman He said it in the Japanese, too. Episode 88 of DBZ (Episode 43 of DB Kai) he says Goku's the second person to ever hit him hard enough he had to dust himself off, after his father. Of course, this doesn't imply "training" necessarily. Maybe King Cold just hit him.
They really gotta make Krillian taller, it is weird how small he is right now.
Tell that to every dwarf you meet.
No worries, he's big in other ways. 18 knows that.
Roman ya in his head he looks like a boble head
He stopped growing at 10
@@remnantryku7112 Heh...
I'm surprised Merged Zamusu hasn't rushed his gay ass into the comments yet.
finalhazard247 He already did
he did, 8 mins after this comment...
finalhazard247 What's with all the hate? Jesus Christ children, worry about yourselves once and a while.
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finalhazard247 Aww, look at the butthurt child. I don't give two shits about likes lmao, that's petty. I didn't make this account to role play "cosplay is with costumes, like at Comic-Con idiot" I made it to comment on RUclips videos. If you don't like the accounts, move on and don't read their shit, it just makes you look pathetic hating on someone because of their screen name, worry about your own shit.
I was really stressed when freeza went golden when he was revived by baba. Super saiyan 3 used up a lot of energy for goku, shortening his time in the real world drastically, but freeza went straight to perfect golden form. I would assume increasing his power in such a way would have the same effect as when goku went ssj3, but I guess not?!
Mitch smith Probably due to the power strain of Super Saiyan 3
ssj3 using VITAL FORCE to force himself to transform ,in the other world he has no problem cuz he was dead, i think he just scream all the time to try to get stronger lol. Frieza already unlock his golden form when he was revived, he just cant control it yet
I think a big part of it has to do with the fact that SSj3 was discovered in the otherworld, while Golden Freeza was discovered in the normal world. Goku specifically says SSj3 isn't met for the real world, and only works properly in otherworld. I don't remember exactly why, but he does say it. So I'm guessing that fact is why SSj3 drained Goku's time on Earth, but Golden Freeza doesn't seem to. Oh, and also there is the fact that Freeza has apparently mastered the Golden form, and eliminated the stamina drain from it. While Goku was still new and completely unused to SSj3 and it drained his stamina greatly. These are just my guess though.
Well in the tournament, there is no time and space. so techincally, it doesnt count
sbless41 very true
Out of all the points raised in this video, the only one that really bugs me is actually the consistent one. Goten, Trunks and Marron aging slower than Patrick Stewart.
04whim ugh I know it's so dumb
you could make and argument that their dominant saiyan genes make them age much slower. As for marron... who legit cares about marron is what they probably said.
I don’t know about Marron, but Goten and Trunks are half-saiyan, who age differently. Remember kid Goku didn’t seem to age until he hit a huge growth spurt when he was 15-18.
What about Caulifla unlocking SSJ & SSJ2 in the same day?
Nyjah Hurst it's called shitty writing. An inconsistency is closer to being a plot hole.
I chalk that up to U6 saiyans just being genetically stronger than U7 saiyans. Same race, different universe, different biology.
Probably just either them being strong enough but just not being triggered to do it ever or U6 biology being different.
genetically stronger? not a single U6 saiyan knew what super saiyan was before vegeta taught cabba. you'd think if they were genetically stronger there'd be millions of super saiyans running around there.
Mark FR Maybe they just didnt know how to activate the power, meaning they had the means and the strength to do so, but had no idea how to push themselves into it. Its a bit of a farfetched theory, but thats my head canon for now. Its probably just shotty writing.
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No 7, me being weaker than Vegeta.
We haven't fought, no one knows that!
He's a super saiyan and you're a namekian. He would solo your race as a kid
You killed Goku
Vegeta never has and never will
hold his own against first form frieza? No, He was just distracting frieza and failing miserably.
Broly the real God and The Strongest Super Saiyan Ironic that U say ur the strongest super saiyan. U got killed by one too.
Killed by one? You mean killed by like 6 of them combining their power? They are weak AF.
No mention of continuity errors?
1. Bringing Freeza back even though he died more than a year ago.
2. Saying "Earth's Hell" even though everyone who dies go to the same Other World, Heaven or Hell.
SUPERVEGITO554 they explain the first one in ressurection f. basically shenron can ressurect anyone but after a year your body can't be fixed so you're ressurected in that form.
it was stated by king Enma that he's only responsible for beings who died on Earth, so i think there's a different hell for each planet
AH SEU VOU Wasn't the Ginyu Force in Hell too? Or am I not rememberibg it correctly
+ifvanezzo Filler.
They show in Super that it's still in Other World. They kinda wrote around their error with "Earth's Hell"
Goku goes to Other World and there's a large section under Snake Way that is for people who die on Earth, lol
When you forget to wear your lifts and your lady-love wears heels. Krillin and 18 explained.
How about a "How could *Arc Name* Arc could have ended?" Discussion?? I remember you doing a How to make super good video and I really liked that. I just want to know how would you have ended Super's previous arcs if given the chance :)
BoG arc, good enough ending
RoF arc, Vegeta getting the kill
Universe 6 arc, perfect ending
Future Trunks arc, Trunks stays in the normal timeline
Universal Survival arc, U6 wins, wishes or brings all of U7 or every Universe to 6's and goes on with the next arc.
It would actually be kinda awesome knowing that Gohan can become a pride trooper if every universe is in U6.
Dino Honestly speaking? I REALLY want Gohan to bond with the Pride Troopers!!!! I just wanna see him do hero stuff with them!!! I would LOVE to watch THAT spin off :)
Dino For the Universe Survival arc..... honestly I have a feeling that Zeno would just cancel the whole destruction shtick and hold the tournament every few years or so because "This tournament was so fun!!! Lets do this again!!!!" or something like that :P
What if the Super timeline is a timeline where Future Trunks and Bulma actually had blue hair
Adam darkmaker last one wtf
I like to think freeza is actually a powerful telekinetic, using psychic powers inadvertently to augment natural strength-he trained so his mind let him get strong enough, even if he wasn't training nearly enough
Masako, Masako, Masako
Vegeta is a proud warrior with an indomitable will and a Napoleon complex.
Platform shoes.
That or some miracle drug cooked up by the family of geniuses he married into
Vegeta is clearly not wearing platform shows.
Obviously he's making himself float about 6inches or so off the ground when ever he stands next to Bulma
Wished on a dragonball, platforms, heels, floating, stands a stair step up at all times...
I'm sticking with that camp too.
Maybe after Berus killed all the Dinosaurs, a scientist created more? idk
KumaPaws376 Dr. Gero's first plan to kill Goku
Maybe Beerus doesnt know that dragons come from eggs and just didnt destroy the eggs lol
He was lying.
It was the author's joke, and it has no effect on the plotline.
Breaking the fourty wall.
What if Toei just said F*CK IT and when Kale Transforms all of them especially Vegeta freak out and go
NOT THAT SH*T AGAIN!! and they make another Retcon so they flashback to "Remember when we fought that Super Saiyan before we fought Cell* and they show clips of the Broly movie and then Broly becomes Canon xD. Me PERSONALLY I dont take Super seriously whatsoever so I WOULD F*CKIN LOVE IT! I can imagine the anger and that makes it funnier 😂😂😂 I would CRACK the F*CK up that they actually did that because to me DragonBall Super is honestly like...*VH1 REALITY TV*
You know its Dumb but its SO F*CKIN ENTERTAINING with the Ridiculousness you keep watching no matter what x'D
I didnt know i needed that until now. That would be so implausible but so funny lmfao 👌😂💜💙💚
JaxBlade I see you everywhere
tats stupid
I mean what is this a Super Sayian Bargain Sale or something?
DBTony1 Just like Super is xD its not a show meant to be taken seriously lmfao
did anyone else thought Yamcha was going to be the 10th
jackie jackie I did and I hoped he would have. Yamcha getting to show off and be a cool guy at the tournament as a subversion of his fights in past tenkaichi budokais would of been great.
Just you and Yamcha...
It would be so funny if he would be last man standing and entire Universe 7 cheering for him
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I love your content.
Good to hear someone talk about Dragonball who actually knows what their talking about
There's only one Inconsistency in DBS and that is DBS.
Frieza pulled an aizen...
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Gohans Powerdrain:
I thought the "explanation" of him loosing the "warriors spirit" was quite good actually.
Gohan rarely, if ever, realized his full potential from the get go. It happened with Raddiz, Frieza, heck,, even with Cell and he was specifically trained for that fight.
He always needed a push. To quote you guys: "STAY SNAPPED !".
So, take a long time off of training, studies, a day job and family duty and you end up with a Gohan that didn't just forget how to tap into his strength but did forget how to be a warrior all together.
And personally, i thought it was a great plot vehicle. Gohan was treated as a bigger ace in the hole than even Goku was, since Gohans power increased extremely inconsistently.
The fact that he overtook every Super Saiyan level in his base form would have meant that even Goku would have fallen behind, no matter the training.
And we've seen that he can almost compare to SS-Blue in an all out battle. If properly trained and "snapped", he'd give everyone a run for their money, thus, a nerf was, in my opinion, less about him becoming weaker and more about the rest getting back into the spotlight and out of his shadow.
If we're talking nerf / buffs, i think its far more baffling that folks like Tenshinhan or Krillin are still viable options in a team consisting of people going head to head with gods now.
They received some major buffs out of the blue by simply..."training". Something that wasn't enough for the entirety of DBZ. And keep in mind, Krillin basically did the same as Gohan(Quit fighting, got a job and formed a family). He bounced back further ahead than ever before rather then just getting back where he left off.
I think everyone forgets that goku was like as tall as goten for a while if goten is 12 or 13 it makes perfect sense seeing he's clearly more Goku than gohan was
yea and gotens mini goku basicly >.< it could be goten and trunks pulled on their father side and maron inheriting her mothers genes meaning she ages slower
You almost had a good comment, until you said Marron got 18's slow aging genes. If anything she had Krilin's short genes. Cause you know, 18 does not have slow aging genetics at all. That's totally made up.
tails clock still masako did bad job in this video on points if you agree but you have point but at the same time everyone else is obviusly ignoring krilin being dad here still she does age slower cause by now id expect her to well act bit more adult >.< but since shes not act and look older(not talking about the size im talking about cloth line >.< she wears)
The black anime guy she does age just not really fiscally
she just ages slower cause 18 and of course she would look smaller she krillins genes ik that alredy e.e
They took way too long to decide what they were going to do with Gohan in this series. Now I will admit, I watched Dragon Ball Z for completely superficial reasons. It was nothing more than a power fantasy to me. Cool moves, over the top fights, etc. I can enjoy the epic character moments like Vegeta's sacrifice. I couldn't enjoy Chi Chi nagging and essentially stopping the action and plot. So when Super became more about character development, I felt nothing for the characters. I watch other anime for that. But if you're going this route, can you be consistant?
Coming from that superficial mindset, if Gohan's going to be a scholar and nothing else, can you just take him out of the story? He serves no purpose to the narrative anymore, so just let him ride off into the sunset. If not, then build on him being a scholar. Seriously, he barely does anything in Super when he's not fighting. Have him use his smarts to affect the plot more. I'm sure Bulma wouldn't mind having him help her out once in a while. Either way, don't sit here and teeter on whether he's a scholar or a fighter for 80 episodes. A little build up is fine, but this was overkill, especially for a concept that started way back in the Buu Saga 20 years ago.
From the perspective of someone who actually does watch Dragon ball super for the character development, yeah I don't think Gohan's been handled that well. But it's not exactly like they could write Gohan out of the show.
1. The Gohan fans would be furious
2. He's still in the finale of Z fighing in the tournament.
But yes, they could have handled it better but instead they're trying to have their cake and eat it too.
I mean, technically they could have just wrote Gohan out and gave him a reason to come back later. Android 17 got away with it. I can't speak for Gohan fans though. If they like this boring angle his character has taken, constantly showing signs of greatness but never meeting the mark, then I guess Super is successful. As for me, I stopped caring about the characters after the original Dragon Ball ended and now I just tolerate them and wait for the fights.
i was pretty much the same at first
The problem is that, while it has Toriyama's script, the bulk of the anime's storyline is made by TOEI... and they have NO IDEA of what they're doing. That's why they have so many inconsistencies and plot holes.
on the note of 17: my poor memory + him never really showing up or being mentioned again + only 18 being thrown up by cell made me honestly think 17 was dead for good. I legit didn't remember he was wished back. I think the lack of him being around and stuff made my mind twist what happened. I remembered krillin asking for it and thought shenron was just like "nah, cant". and gain I think my brain twisted it to being "oh, he wasn't thrown up by cell, so he must still be apart of cell, so they cant wish him back without wishing cell back or something"
So him coming back in super made me go "wait, what? when? how!?!?!?" then when i pointed this out to a buddy he showed me a youtube clip of the wish actually succeeding and i felt dumb...but yeah, he really doesn't need to be there
1. I'd LOVE some backstory on Frieza's race
2. Anyone remember the Arcosians from the dub? That's a fucking cool name!
That should be the name of the species
@@Eric-py8yy It should be, but every piece of canon material just calls them, "Frieza's Race".
@@The_Big_Jayi don't know why, it's just a cool name that Toriyama could use
Super as a series is inconsistent.
DB/DBZ is too its following tradition
The thing is, with Frieza, he's not the only character that mind trained. Gohan and Krillen fought with their minds on the way to Namek, so couldn't Frieza do the same? Plus, Frieza could have beaten Goku in Resurrection F if he had taken the time to practice his new form. It's never stated that Frieza *couldn't* power up in hell, even to practice his golden form.
M&K *hfil
You forgot the rest of Future Trunks and his SPIRIT SWORD. Potara earrings? is that an inconsistency or just a retcon? Technically its both?? Also Goku getting money from Mr Satan for killing Buu even tho they made the wish so everyone forgets about Buu entirely? Or the fact that SSB is never explained and can be shown to hold back enough to not vaporize Killin and then later on allows Goku to not die to Toppo and earlier to Hit?? And what about all that time travel nightmare that is Goku Black???
marko cinut retcon
LMFAO
potara = retcon
because hercule HELPED THEM DEFEAT KID BUU AND ALSO FRIEND WITH MR BUU??????
yeah sure gohan just scream ssj2 outta nowhere because anger and its fine, ssj blue = godki + ssj and still hard to understand?
god ki = complete ki controlled and lock inside that person body -> he can be super weak or super strong depend on his will, also the ssb transformation just to show off the "pressure" Krillin will have to deal with
goku black timeline has been explained thousands of time u just trying too hard to hate super, maybe just stick to dbz then
moon clash Do you understand that all of this "knowledge" we have on God ki is essentially headcanon drawn from 1 line from the RoF movie?? Not even the arc, ITS FROM THE DARN MOVIE.... And yes, all that ure saying might be true, but Toriyama could just as well come out tomorrow and say: God ki is (insert whatever you want here) and it does things. dont bother knowing how, it just does. I mean ffs for regular Ki we got almost the entire Dragonball series to explain it, and even Z with the multipliers and stuff. And as for God Ki? Oh these 5 ppl just smush all they have into Goku and thats God ki, boom done. Like wtfff? Its just: Oh Ki that cant be sensed and is in Gods. Okay, but whyyy? how? wtf? see they dont even bother explaining that shit anymore...
i actually feel bad for you, if you keep on insisting a LOGICAL explaination for all the db stuffs, you wont find it, if u cant enjoy dbs, fine, im outta here
+moon clash Im actually more pissed about the storyline part of it. The entirety of super is just terrible terrible writting...
No. There are dinosaurs alive in the real world. We call them birds. :)
SylverRaptor just got real.
i would love to see your dinosaur.
Just look around outside. All birds are technically dinosaurs. Avian dinosaurs.
sigh, stop trying to act smart. He's talking about non-avian dinosaurs.
Honestly all of these don't really bother me.
When I watch super I just turn off my brain and enjoy the episode for what it is.
When I watch a show critically I enjoy it less, and with all the problems in my life I want TV to help me escape that and give me enjoyment.
That doesn't mean I accept everything shown to me, I still call bullshit if something is too bad.
That happened when I watched the last 3 episodes of Samurai Jack season 5. That was so bad I couldn't ignore it.
That's exactly how I watch every show, and why I don't understand why people make a big deal of its flaws. Sure, I poke fun at some things, but that's just it, _fun_.
Matthew Hilliker same
The writing could've been better, and it SHOULD be easy to do, the story is very simple.
If you're fine with that, so be it, but I can't stand it, and I will not "turn my brain off" to be able to enjoy crappy anime because what's the purpose of seeking decent entertainment then if I'm just gonna ignore it?
Pertaining to Friezas' mind training, maybe that's how the Ice Demons work? Train the mind and the body follows. I mean it's not too far fetched.
Time to update the list bud.
I’m sure there’s plenty in the ToP
That picture of Krillin in Z it's in perspective; he's definitely at about 18's boobs in that image, same as the super pic.
In regards to Shenron, it is worth remembering that his rest time is dependant on the amount of wishes he fulfills (he theoretically can fulfill two wishes per year, if he only fulfills one he can be resummoned in only 6 months, something told to us in the Buu saga).
MASAKO please do check out the manga and what if scenario in which trunks went to the wrong time I.e two years more into the past during the sayain saga Plz like so he can see
Hamza Saeed Just watch TGMTube's video on it
That manga was cancelled years ago, but it was really good.
Maxi Iroh
to be real, why bother with starting shit if you not gonna finish? These types of people need to realize just how taxing time consuming and boring being a manga artist can truly be. If they're not up to it, then don't start.
It's still going, they just release chapter 25 last week. Plus, it is far more enjoyable than the anime version.
You don't even know what you're talking about
I think if I think really really hard and make it all Tingley like I will be stronger than the grand priest
On the subject of #1 -- Vegeta's height is clearly proportionate to his level of heroism. He was super short as a villain, then only kind of short as an villainous ally, then a bit taller as an anti-hero, and now he's a full-fledged and unquestionably good guy. At this rate, he'll be at least as tall as Piccolo by the time the series ends!
Nice to see some of these addressed. BTW, noticed you showed up in Jojo DIU abridged episode 4, that was neat.
Inconsistency #7: 28 planets!?!
ShinWheelie hey between Freeza, Lord Beerus and Majin Buu, what do you expect? lol
ShinWheelie 28 planets that can support life, not 28 planets with life. If you think about it, the freeza planets don't really support life as they're barren waste lands. The reason you could live on them are because of the artificial conditions of the facilities you see vegeta in
It dosent say they cant artificially sustain life. most of the planets friezas family conquered they sold. who was he selling planets to then if there is only 28 left. and at that point why not kill the guy buying them and take his money. like really the fact that frieza was selling them means their was a another person on Buu/Beerus' level atleast.
I am surprised you didnt use any Beerus arc images for krillens height. He was nerfed to 18s waist almost.
Was waiting for the time travel inconsistency in super.
I think as for the shinran explanation, that the reson he shows up as and takes less time to charge is the possibility of berus getting pissed, he , shenran himself , doesn't want to piss of the distroyer
Dragon Ball does not drop the
BALL it dropped the DRAGON !
: )
frieza not training a day in his life is bull shit. how did he learn to transform? how did he learn to use those destructo discs and control them? how did he learn how to make death balls?
if he seriously never trained, he would only have access to the most rudimentary ki skills and fighting style which would be a brawler.
in the end, it's just a poor excuse to make him relevant. and then again, why is he gold? his species physically transforms.
He is like a more extreme version of goku in terms of learning shit by just seeing it. Remember when goku learned kamehameha just by seeing it once or twice.
I'd love a miniseries to explain Frieza's race and origin. If Toei likes money, there ya go.
Most people might have already mentioned this, but the wishes thing is explained during the same episode, we had two wishes left because they only used one last time.
About Gohan's power drain, what about this? It's pretty much implied that the powers of Super Saiyan are unlocked not only with raw power but also sparked by emotional instability right? Of all the current Saiyans I'm convinced Gohan is the most emotionally "balanced" of them all, he's got a nice life right now, something to focus on, his wife, child, work etc... Compared to Goku's lust for power battles and Vegeta's pride (and competitiveness with Goku) Gohan is perfectly balanced, doesn't this influence his power somewhat? Also there hasn't been a "large" threat to the world up until DBSuper, not like the Saiyan Saga, Freeza, Cell or Buu his youth was marked with danger and uncertainty, which might explain his strength throughout DBZ.
Just some thoughts, have you got an opinion on that?
It might have something to do with him going mystic. Slacking off after such a spontanious boost in power, could cause a rubberband-like, hot water cools faster than cold water-effect.
madCRO Sure, it isn't a perfect theory, but still, a few years of peace would make your senses a bit dull. I mean, with the Freeza revival, Gohan's emotions went from a 0-100 distress, that would make you pretty much useless, it's perhaps a Saiyan thing.
Meta Cron half human nerf
Krillin and Tien still trained or otherwise did stuff. Gohan apparently didn't.
xmeany i like how you give no proof and just say ahhh fuck it doesn't make sense
Freeza's power boost in Hell isn't so odd. Piccolo got a power boost while on King Kai's planet and all he did was meditate. Throw in the infinite energy of being dead and he could have practiced while still remaining strung up. As for the heights, blame that on the new character designs. Look at Mr Satan, he's SCRAWNY now. Everyone's changed with the new designs.
We technically don't know if Piccolo did get stronger on King Kai's world, since the first thing he did was fuse with Nail when he got to Namek.
Masako: "People do pick up on this and people do get butthurt."
That's an understatement for DBZ fans in general.
About inconsistency #2, Goku actually stated in the episode that everyone wants a wish, that "we only had one wish last time, so I figured we could summon the dragon earlier to resurrect King Kai." So it is not really unexplained.
@MasakoX - Bulma could easily take the genetical material from all of the fighters, use her intellect, plans, everything. To turn herself into a sexy, always young, powerful android. Something like a female tony stark.
alright but how mad do you think beerus would get if you actually called him Mr. Kitty Cat
To be fair, it's pretty awesome that they remembered some little things like Marron, Android 8, Yardrats, etc. :D
I'm more entertained by the video than the comments for once. Great content man.
Did anyone notice that DBS Goku is dumber than DBZA Goku
Yep
In z the English dub turned Goku from an idiot to a Superman copy, in super he was just more faithful to the original anime.
American Goku of DBZ is the inconsistency.
English Dub of Super's goku certainly has more comedic moments, but they also make the show a little more mature as well during some moments.
And goku has *always* been dumb
I've literally pointed that out many times that Goku has always been a giant idiot
Pr Kc DBZA is meant to be super dumb, Abdridged is meant to be everything x100.
Super however has Goku be blatantly stupid.
Haven't started vid yet, hope the Kids still looking 7 is on here.
Well it was kinda glanced at I guess. Still my biggest gripe with the show.
You could say for Trunks and Goten its because they're sayians. When Goku was 12 he was about as big as Goten, then at age 15 he shot right up to the height he is today.
As for Maron... I don't know, #18 doesn't want her to grow-up I guess?
Well, as for Marron, Krillin is kind of a midget, so I guess Marron is just going to be shorter like Krillin. After all, Krillin was about as tall as Marron is right now, back at the beginning of the manga when he was first introduced and started training along side Goku under Master Roshi.
Goku didn't shoot up to his current height until he turned 18 during the 23rd tenkaichi budokai. He only grew slightly when he turned 15 during the tenshinhan arc.
TrinityAssassinZ yes but there was a 3 year time skip for him to grow. If we are going to be keeping constant up until end of Z then we need some sort of timeskip for them to get their end of z heights
I love the inconsistencies! That's a signature aspect of Dragon Ball. Would there be a massive RUclips community if fans didn't passionately try to fill in the plot holes?
The biggest inconsistency here is that in the end of z, Bulma says that it had been five years since she saw Goku. This is an inconsistency that has bothered me SO MUCH throughout super.
Yep, noticed Bulmas hair color change xD Annoyed me since I noticed, but it's nothing compared to Trunks ^^' (Where the biggest EffUp is that young Trunks doesn't has the same xD )
MasakoX Friezas method of mind training is a real thing, ever hear of meditation? Mental rehearsal? There have studies that simply imagining yourself getting stronger will lower strength loss when not actually training. In Friezas case he is a mutant and gets more benefits from it
Look up Lanny Bassham
Of course, sir. However, Super suffers from a chronic case of lack of clarity. It would've been nice if we could get more of an explanation from Freeza about his struggle in Hell instead of a 5-second reference.
MasakoX Doesn't Piccolo do this meditation training all the time?
Didnt frieza explain, how he mastered ki-controll in hell? the difference between the new and old golden frieza forms is the same as the one between super saiyan god super saiyan and regular super saiyan: ki controll, not leaking energy all the time. especially since goku mentioned in resurection F, that frieza attacked right after obtaining his new form, without beta testing it first, meaning he didnt even use the strength he already had back then to its fullest.
proclarushtaonasat All that cuz Toei needs balance.
I like to imagine Vegeta is constantly pulling a "Crestfallen Merchant" from dark souls 1 and is just floating a few inches off the ground to give the illusion he's taller.
I love TFS's theory that the Supreme Kai of Time kidnapped Future Trunks and replaced him with a blue-haired clone. Love that joke.
Filler episodes
No.1 Power scaling as a whole
YEP
That has been BS since buu arc When goten and trunks (espicially goten)without any zenkais and training how will they have a powerlevel as high as base goku on namek so that their ssj is at least as strong as goku on namek
Even In their ssj form their powerlevel should not be higher than tien or krillin(In super) why are they treated as strong characters when normal ssj should be nothing in super and in the buu saga
How did they unlock ssj3 as fused gotenks when individually they cannot surpass normal ssj
Seriously are they broly's kids😂
3:40 - That's an inconsistency in virtually every anime, especially those ongoing ones. When I watched Sonic X, character heights were so inconsistent, it became almost too much...
I was seriously expecting time travel and alternate timelines to be on this list. trying to keep track of them all during the Goku Black arc was an enormous headache.
Inconsistency 7: How the fuck does SSB and SSG work? Do his god powers inherently enhance his base and SSJ forms? Is it like an extra source of power he can draw from? Can he use SSJ2 with bis god ki to make SSB2? HOW THE HELL DO THESE FORMS WORK!?
NeutralGuyDoubleZero its not an inconsistency just bc you don't understand it
FreezyPop explain it then?
Jesus Senpai In BoG, Goku, being the fighting genius he is, absorbed the God ki and was able to tap into that power because his body experienced it. So, yes, SSJGSS is exactly that, Super Saiyan with God ki enhancement. Do you even watch the show?
Josh Calhoun But yet we see him use regular super saiyan 1 and 2 in super, so does he have two ways of using his ki? Is there normal base goku and then saiyan beyond god goku? In the manga he could use SSG separately from his other forms so is that when he's using god ki? They never fully clarify this at ANY point in the show or manga.
FreezyPop thanks for not answering any of my questions
Honestly my biggest "problem " with super story is...how irrelevant the SuperDragonBalls(literally the origin of the name of the show) are.I mean ...they were used ,what?2...3times .The first one to create an Earth for U6( ok , fair enough) but the other 2 times they were used by zamasu , and BOTH were easy wishes .Changing bodies and immortality? Really? Pretty sure even the earth Dragonballs could do both of these.Anyway they just seem too ...useless. IMO in the end if the future trunks Arc they should've made him stay in the Main timeline and fight in the Tournament of Power so he could atleast try to restore his universe/timeline with the winners wish, thus giving them a much important use.
Give me your opinions what you guys think about this please ^
Considering how nearly impossible it is to use and find the super dragon balls (especially without Zuno or a gods help) I don't know what you really expect. Also i doubt the earth dragon balls or namek dragon balls could make those wishes that Zamas made. And before you mention garlic jr. he isn't canon.
But how is that any different from the Dragon Balls in the other shows?
Someone actually achieving the goal of immortality is at least something.
In Z the Dragon Balls were mostly used to bring back whoever is killed during the Arc.
And I´m sure that the Super Dragon Balls wishes are harder to reverse.
It should be easy to find the Earth Dragon Balls and wish for Garlic Jr. immortality to be canceled again than finding the Super Dragon Balls and do the same with Zamasu.
The complete lack of physical growth by Trunks, Goten, and Marin does really bug me. Especially considering they'll have grown significantly in only a few more years.
Dear Masako,
When I was rewatching the android saga, I clearly saw one of trunks' flashbacks stating that everyone was murdered in the future, INCLUDING Jaijarobe. How can it be that he's still alive in super??
This has been bugging me for some time now, i really hope you can help me with it!
Thanks!
Makaso x Also krillin used to have muscles, noooooooodlle arms!
blue haired Trunks = NOT MY TRUNKS
Trunks is Trunks
There was a thing in Dr. Slump where Arale goes back in time and stops the meteor from wiping out the dinosaurs, so it's possible that Beerus just didn't realize the dinosaurs weren't all destroyed, but I doubt the writers would've thought that far ahead.
I think the best way to explain Gohan's constant power fluctuations in Z and Super is to see his potential as similar to Freeza. He doesn't need as much training as Goku or Vegeta would to maintain his strength.
what about the fact that the potara is now temporary for non Kai's but supreme kai is fused with a witch
Bryan Benz uhmm maybe the witch was also another Kai.
Goku gets whacked from a laser gun in Super lol...
DRUNKFX what about the rock thing in z
DRUNKFX yup
Hamza Mansoor The rock thing is non canon filler.
DRUNKFX his guard was down
Have you covered the duration of fusion since this video?
1. Trunk's hair
2. Blood
3. Flashbacks
3. Animation
4. Art
5 Fan satisfaction
Speaking of power levels and inconsistencies.. I want to know what the heck base form powers are now. Those are all over the place. When Frieza appeared I'm pretty sure Gohan stated that he was well above him in his prime, while in form one. In base form Frieza shot through Piccolo, who's probably above SSJ2 by now, at least and tore Gohan down. Now that being said, when Goku (base form) fought Frieza's fourth.. If you keep Z's power up scale from Frieza, his fourth form should be well above Boohan. So base form Goku could cripple Buu, since he smacked Frieza around with ease.
Now that being said, Roshi was about to stand against base form Goku. So.. Roshi is now stronger than Buuhan? Piecing this stuff together is insane.
Well Goku was holding back against like he always does. Now the base form thing is tough, but imo I think that whole absorbing ssjg thing was retconned after the frieza fight since Trunks and Gohan's base forms are comparable to Goku and Vegeta's base forms
Super Saiyan is a enhancement of your base form, if your power level is 100,000 and you go Super Saiyan you get a 50x multiplier to your base form so you new power level will be 5 million, however if your base power level is say 10 million your Super Saiyan power level would be 500 million
4th form Frieza from Frieza arc was around 120 million to 150 million, Gohan by the end of Buu had around 16 billion to 18 billion power level... but at the start of Super they wanted to get away from power level or revamp ... back them up so I guess they could mean around Cell arc were Gohan was around 2 billion to 3 billion, that would make more sense
I was thinking: shouldn't Freeza's revival in the movie/arc have been impossible? If I remember right, you can't bring someone back if they died more than a year prior, at least when using Earth's Dragon Balls. Did that get altered at some point and I just don't remember?
Swedish X see that's what I'm wondering as well but why question Toriyama he's known for being forgetful.
I think since Dende remade the DBs, they now have that capability, it just takes more power. But in that case, there shouldn't have been 2 more wishes for Mai and Shu to use, so it's still inconsistent
earths have 2 wishes after dende remade them i thought
they explain this very issue in ressurection f. shenron can actually ressurect a person with no time limit; the catch is that after a year, he can't fix your body when bringing you back to life. since freeza can survive for a short time as a bunch of meat chunks, his ressurection goes fine since they immediately throw him in a healing pod.
Paarthunax 2 That's all well and good but Trunks pretty much incinerated him after he cut him into pieces.
When it comes to Bulma and Krillin getting shorter this is easily explained through their pure human biology. Vegeta didn't grow taller - Bulma got shorter. Same with Krillin. Human beings naturally get shorter by each decade past their prime. Lets face it, both Bulma and Krillin are in their 40s, nearly 20 years past their prime right? Bulma just lost a couple of inches from natural decay while Krillin got the short stick (pun intended) because his entire body has been broken before on multiple occasions. As such he gets shorter faster. I'm not going to even touch up on the kids.
I can easily explain the Dragon Ball inconsistency with Beerus wishing for Shenron to 'scram'. Shenron technically didn't grant a wish and was just sent away, spreading out technically still charged Dragon Balls that can easily be used again at any time they are brought back together. Inconsistency remedied.
The Gohan inconsistency can be explained by something very specific to his personality - mental blocks and PTSD. The PTSD is obvious, he had been fighting like a soldier since he was a toddler and made into a fighting machine. But wait, wouldn't his Saiyan DNA make him immune to such psychological trauma? If he were a pureblood sure. But we aren't dealing with a pureblood, here we are dealing with a hybrid that has shown in his life a lot of RECESSIVE TRAITS (the tail for one). So therefore his mental state was weakened which led to him losing his ki control. The strength was actually all still there as could be seen when he regained his ultimate form, but it was sealed behind a mental block of his own creation when he just concentrated so much on his mind that he just forgot how to be a Saiyan.
Beerus and the dinosaurs? Well thats simple, he missed a few. He has not been shown to be the most competent god in the multiverse.
The hair colors of Bulma and Trunks are also an easy explanation here. I know this because my hair without dye does the SAME THING! It has to do with sun exposure. How much sunlight is seen in the future timeline during the Goku Black arc? Not a whole lot huh? It is all kind of bleak and dark and without much light at all. As such the color in both Bulma and Trunks' hair has dulled. Also how often do you see present Bulma running around in the sunlight despite being able to. Not as much as she used to because she is working a lot in the Capsule Corp. labs. So therefore her hair color has also dulled. My hair is naturally dirty blonde but if I spend a lot of time in side or just getting up at night my hair dulls to a deep brunette. So when she goes back to turquoise at the end of Z she is fully running Capsule Corp. in a more executive capacity which nets her more time in the sunlight with her family and likely some vacation beach time. So it brightens back up quick.
Frieza? Well, I think that deserves its own full series. ARE YOU LISTENING DRAGON ROOM!
I'd argue the biggest inconsistency is that the majority of the cast look younger in Super than they do the Boo Saga and the radical change in appearance between Super right now and the Peaceful World Saga is totally unbelievable. It breaks immersion completely.
Bulma is the worst in this regard, she looks younger in Super than she did for the majority of her life.
Frieza perfected his golden form not by thinking but by transforming and sitting in the golden form for as long as he could until he could hold it with minimal effort like how goku and Gohan mastered super saiyan by holding it in the time chamber
Don't post that as a fact, when is not.
What about in Buu's saga, when Freeza saw him fight kid Buu? He was in "normal hell" with Cell, and when resurrected, he was in the "toys and fairies hell", and he was kinda surprised Goku defeated Buu...
SeventeenGhost weren't those scenes from hell in the boo saga filler? I don't remember seeing them in the manga. Could be why super is ignoring them.
SeventeenGhost yeah it was filler
Filler, toei f***ed again.
that was filler
SeventeenGhost probably went off in a rant and got sent into the “naughty corner”.
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention the Kaioshin population issue. In the Buu arc, it was made clear that there were originally 5 Kaioshin for the entire universe (in the same way that there are 5 Kaious), but 4 were killed/absorbed by Buu -- Presumably Beerus is still alive because there is at least one still alive.
Yet, in the Universe survival arc... every universe has only 1 Kaioshin? Why? Did every universe have a Majin Buu that wiped out their Kaioshin?
On a side note, Frieza's power boost and Gohan's absurd weakness aren't necessarily that way off the mark. In both cases, it can kind of boil down to energy control and management so that the same amount of energy can be utilized more effectively and efficiently -- this can just as easily relate to being able to manage stamina as well as let energy loose more explosively (i.e. more power) in controlled bursts. In Frieza's case, he practiced exactly that. Gohan is also doubly affected by the overwhelming impact of plot, which as we know, is far more powerful than even Jiren.
I can't remember if this is already in a previous video but what was the event that caused Goku meeting Zamasu?
everyone's height varies a lot. it's annpoying
don't forget piccolo's strength is inconsistent
B Blackwell piccolos strength stopped being consistent after the cell saga of dbz. Annoys the crap out of me.
what if idea.......what if Goten was really Goku black!!!!
Honestly, that would have been more interesting, but highly implausible.
What if, a Goten of an alternate timeline, was resentful of how his father had left him before he was even born. So he decided to train and get strong and kill everyone like an old school saiyan and was then approached by Zamasu and they made their whole plan.
Cobra Command he'd be weak af.
Jadorulz10 that's just dumb
LeBron James I doubt that since he would do sumthing to gain the edge u know absentee dad and all much anger in Goten potentially
About the Gohan thing, remember it's not "7 years of minimal training vs 4 years of slightly more minimal training", it's "7 years of minimal training vs 4 years of not training at all".
If a bodybuilder or martial artist stops his workout or training, he's going to lose all of his muscle and strength rapidly.
The inconsistency of Trunks' hair isn't so annoying, after all, it's the same colour as Bulma's. It's the fact that it's not the same colour as Kid Trunks that I can't get passed
this is slippy 🐳
he can't swim
don't let slippy drown in the comment's
he can swim.
Another major incosistency: Potara's fusion duration
Ruben Ramos retcon
Ruben Ramos Not an inconsistency, a retcon
I always thought about it as if you are born with a large power and train, the power increase comes in large waves and if you are born a weakling your power increases after you train are smaller.
You could interpret Beerus' wish to scram as just an order for him to leave. He didn't make his eyes glow and say "Your wish is granted", so there's that...