Gotta agree with Joe on this one, I had Nick winning the 1st, 2nd, and 5th rounds too. Condit was effective but didn't cause any real damage, backpeddaled the whole fight, and never really had Nick in danger. Nick landed the more effective shots in those 3 rounds and pressed the action the entire fight, and had a good submission attempt which was the only near finish.
No Diaz lost easy . He landed less shots no one hurt each other Diaz threw all baby shots . If it goes to judges it's who landed more. Diaz landed almost 100 shots less and neither guy was hurt. Talking shit doesn't mean you win . Diaz losses to all great fighter from same thing he can't score only talk trash
@@user-rl4cc8dw5r he landed more shots and condit was running and btw diaz throw with 50 percent so he doesnt get tired and he still was fucking condit up
Brilliant, Rogan. Completely agree with Rogan's assessment of the intelligence of Nick Diaz in terms of fighting; physical awareness and mental strategizing.
***** He did. It was even on the feet and then with a minute or so left Diaz hit a takedown and took Condit's back for the remainder of the fight. Thats a Diaz round all day
1) Diaz won by Landing more effective and Clean shots! 2) Carlos's so called "nice movement" is actually called panicking ducking and running. Along with his FLICKING kicks that barely did damage! 3) Carlos DID land some clean shots, but not nearly enough to win the fight. 4) it's not a question that diaz could've done better, but what else would YOU do if your fighting for the interum belt and your opponent is basically RUNNING away?!?!
no doubt Carlos outlanded Nick -- but the shots that Carlos landed were much weaker. No damage. Like taekwondo in the olympics ... I know that is a difficult job to be an mma judge (how do u score the strength of a punch???) but I thought Diaz won that fight
You thought wrong. Condit kicked Diaz twice in the head and rocked his world. They were there and were feeling the shots. We were not. But those hits hurt a lot. I know because I've been hit. My jaw was dislocated even though I didn't go down. I felt it more the next day. One of the worst shots I ever felt was to the neck. Aimed at my chin but hit me in the neck. Diaz was kicked and punched all night. Both have very strong chins. Carlos won it regardless of what who we are rooting for. Be truthful and fair. Don't say your favorite won. Both of them were hurting at some point. Or that they were weak hits. Until you are there you don't know. If you fight somebody then you are in the position to KNOW about kicks and punches and now it feels.
Point fighting is bullshit, especially when the other guy clearly isn't hurt or even slightly phased from the opponents offense. Diaz never slowed down or had the slightest of a limp so those leg kicks shouldn't have counted for shit. Diaz landed more effective punches and should've scored points for octagon aggression.
The thing I remember from the fight is that condit was hitting Diaz and just running away from him afterwards ,many a times. Smart but is not engaging, and more strategy than fighting. In my opinion Diaz won the fight but Condit won "the game"
Carlos quickly deciphered Diaz's only game plan, which is is punches in bunches. After round 2 Condit avoided the initial strikes and darted in to land his own strikes. Just because it wasn't overly entertaining and Condit refused to let himself get punched in the face repeatedly by an accomplished boxer doesn't mean he lost. Either one of the Diaz brothers is easy to figure out if you don't play into their shit-talking
Carlos "the natural born killer"..... LMFAO! didn't act like a "killer" he was point fighting, scared to bang it out... Points are for games.! Carlos the running man.... should have been yellow carded and points taken away for avoiding the fight, Pride Rules which the UFC bought and shut down because they knew people would like their REAL fights better than pussy point fights, where someone can literally be SAVED by the bell and still "win" on "points"...LOL
@Shonem Absolutely and when trapped in a corner, most defensive boxers will dip and try to step around, But in an octagonal cage almost anywhere near the fence is a corner. Condit wanted to fight within the painted octagon on the mat. One important distinction when when comparing MMA defense to boxing: Boxers needn't worry about kicks or takedowns or clinch fighting. MMA defense can't be as subtle as boxing where all you have to avoid is the left and right hand. But I appreciate your points.
The only problem I had with that fight was the fact that condit RAN away and it was a shitty fight to watch. Despite all the condit talk - condit won but his career took a nose dive, especially with the fans.
I am a massive nick diaz fan. nate also. they're fucking warriors. they come in and they try to fuck you up. if diaz was to run out and use his toughness to get a takedown I think he'd dominate the groundgame. it would actually be more exciting than GSP since GSP just holds people down. no disrespect of course, he's a great damn fighter but diaz is creative and entertaining. I believe he could easily submit condit in the rematch.
I gave Condit 4 rounds as well. Diaz was all hype. He sure looked pathetic against GSP. I guess GSP is the best tho. Wish he would get his love for mma back , return, then kick the crap out of Hendricks.
iphonekiller420 I guess you never watched the fight. GSP beat him and before the fight for about a month during many interviews he stated he had an announcement to make after the fight. Your either very slow or a troll. Ill pick slow.
+omerta lmao your fucked up pal. Hendricks never even fought silva. Get off the drugs loser then maybe you would make sense. When was the last time Hendricks knocked anyone out? How bout silva? Lol.
Condit 3,4,5. Giving Diaz rd 5 bc of a desperate takedown is ridiculous. U could give condit rd 1 as well. He was way busier. Moving forward doesn't make u the busier fighter any more than moving backward makes u less engaging. Condit outworked him, outstruck him, and fought a way better fight. Diaz is a punching bag. U all saw his face. Condit went to the club afterwards.
+Patrick Keller Hilariously full of shit. He landed like 2 or 3 decent combo's the entire fight. For almost the entirety of the fight he hit nothing leg kicks. Nick was the one landing the punches. Nick looked busted up because of all the scar tissue in his face. It was a lousy fight that no fight fan wants to see. The fans in attendance booed Carlos out of the building.
+Jim Dandy dude u know I posted that almost a year ago. You're clearly a Diaz fanboy and as Joe would say you're getting "emotionally attached to results". Let me guess, you also think Condit beat Lawler and its karma for your boy. Don't lie James. I can smell a Diaz troll from a mile away. I'm glad he got his ban reduced so he come back and get smoked. You better just keep pullin for Nate cuz Nick is on the way out. That was the last crack at a title he'll ever have. Condit pieced him up. You're a troll. Grass is green....you get it. Maybe you don't. Diaz fans aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. Try not to troll this thread too much bud.
Nick Diaz is the most overrated fighter in the history of MMA. Dude's last UFC win was in 2011. The last time he's had a UFC KO was in 2006. He cries like a little baby about the judges every time he loses. Can we please just label Nick Diaz (and his brother) as slightly above average fighters and move on?
The reason its hard for Big Country(Roy Nelson) to lose the belly is because already has a pretty high body fat ratio to begin with, and he continues to make lots of hard muscle, which makes intermuscular fat, or fat trapped beneath layers of muscle, which is incredibly hard to get rid of.
I'm as calm as can be, you're trying to judge my state of mind foolishly. But it's been nice, you made me watch every fight I didn't of Nick Diaz. I start to like what he does even if it's not as strategic as some others. The guy sure got heart, determination and a very good chin.
Diaz fans are by far the smartest MMA fans out there. Im just interested as to why that is? I guess its because a super intellegent fighter like Diaz just emmits this radiance that other geniuses are drawn to.
@Shonem I get where your coming from, but along with MMA, I've been a boxing fan for 25 years and counterpunching boxers often fight moving backwards, picking there spots to stand and fight before moving out of harms way. I can understand those who don't enjoy that style, especially since you don't see it very often in MMA, but it is a very effective strategy. The only issue I would take is with calling it running. Guys like Hector Camacho run, Condit, Muhammad Ali, Pernell Whitaker didn't run.
I like both Condit and Diaz but while Condit was backing up, he was landing shots the whole time. I've said this before, it is a contact sport and contact = points, regardless if you're moving forward or moving backward.
I like both Nick and Condit alot,...But I heard a phrase from one of Diaz's trainer's that if Diaz and St Pierre walked into a alley that Diaz would be the only one walking out. I truly believe this to be that case for Diaz and Condit, if they walked into a dark alley, Diaz would be the only one walkin out the dark alley
The sad thing about the Condit vs Diaz fight is that 1. Nick did win (fact) by the current judging criteria. 2. If MMA inserted the yellow card like Pride which they definitely should, then it would've been a 50-45 win for Nick. Current judging criteria: Octagon Control, Aggression, EFFECTIVE Striking and Effective Grappling. Nick won Octagon Control, Aggression and Effective Grappling undebatably. Effective Striking is the controversial part (continued)...
Condit took full advantage of the current scoring system. It was a brilliant piece of counter fighting. I just wish that fight took place in the smaller cage. Even UFC fighters don't realize the UFC has 2 different cages and one is much smaller than the other. The smaller cage forced people to fight so you see allot more finishes. There's less room to circle and "fight evasively" like Condit did in the smaller cage. They use the smaller cage for Casino's and smaller venues. Frankly I wish they used it for Stadium shows and everything else. The larger cage is ridiculous for Flyweights like Johnson who can exploit all that extra space. It encourage defensive fighting. There's something called "Ring generalship" or "Cage Control" and Diaz OWNED the center of that octagon. Condit was forced to the outside the entire fight. That scores allot of point for Diaz. Clearly Jackson watched the old Joe Riggs vs Diaz fight where Riggs circled and fought defensively the entire fight and someone came away with a controversial decision. It's allot easier to hit someone who's coming straight at you. On the other hand running from your opponent is called "timidity" and it doesn't score points. Lastly Condit landed allot of wimpy little kicks while scurrying backwards. How do you score those? They did no damage at all.
The first time Carlos fought like this saying that there was going to be a war having the strategy of winning by points that is playing the system no UFC champion do that shit.
Now remember, it's EFFECTIVE Striking. The don't score it based on who lands more shots, they score it on the shots that are EFFECTIVE. Here's the FightMetric stats for the fight: Total Strikes: Condit - 159, Diaz - 117. Head Strikes: Condit - 55, Diaz - 62. Body Strikes: Condit - 36, Diaz - 49. Leg Strikes: Condit - 68, Diaz - 6. Condit only outstruck Nick with leg strikes. Now let's not forget it is judged based on EFFECTIVE Striking. (Continued)
met nick in a tournament in 2004 / bjj nationals ( pretty sure it was 2004 maybe 2005 ) in so cal .... i was a wht belt n he was competing as a purple belt ... he was the nicest guy ever .... really kind of quiet pesonality ( not an asshole at all ) .... took some pictures n talked a little ........ super nice guy ( he won his division ) ..... good guy ...... diaz fan all the way ......
I was so mad listening to rogan say Carlos was winning the fight and not saying hey this looks like 2-2 going into the 5th ! Happy he admits he was wrong tho !!
@cappellifiore Yea that's fine, don't worry about it. Those will we interesting fights and hopefully Rashad isn't a cakewalk and can actually prove to be somewhat of a threat, unlike Jones' previous title defences. I'm excited for Sonnen vs Silva 2 as well.
Condit didn't stand there like a punching bag and get hit, he took Diaz out of his comfort zone, frustrated him, was far more dynamic and ended up out striking him by 30%, no edging about it (Fightmetric Fact). The highlight was Condit landing that awesome head kick that made Diaz blow his own nose out.
Joe said it perfectly about live to on tv... Condit (Jackson's camp) appeared to win the fight scoring with weak kicks and counters. Diaz is the better fighter and he only lost because the UFC has created this type of atmosphere. GSP has made a career at winning fights by winning rounds.
Yeah, theres 2 sides to fighting, offense and defense. Not only was condits offense better than diaz but he also had a defensive plan. That's the difference between a smart fighter and a reckless fighter.
@Alpinex105 Decmocracy is a fantasy or dream.But I heard they are going to fight again but I have not seen any confirmation from the UFC.However, Condit's management is revising all fights until GSP title shot but this is only speculation though.
"Tonight's fights will be judged based the following criteria:" 1. Effective Striking Diaz 35% Condit 65% 2. Grappling Diaz 70% Condit 30% 3. Agression Diaz 80% Condit 20% 4. Octagon control Diaz 85% Condit 15% Anyone disagree with these stats? That's how I looked at this fight. This is my opinion so if you disagree thats cool dont attack me.
You can still fight intelligently and still give an excellent performance to viewers. The fight showed that Carlos didn't work that hard for the Diaz fight in terms of actually training to finish him off. Instead, he took the easy way out without putting risk on the line that all the champions in the UFC do, excluding GSP as of late. What got to me is that Carlos ranted about how he was going deliver a great fight on the primetime show and failed to deliver it, knowing that he wouldn't.
Nick and Carlos both fought a great fight that night.It's just one of those fights that needs to be seen again for many reasons. Not just b/c fans are arguing. I would love to see this fight again and see how it plays out. Both of them are just incredible fighters. Condit banged out with Hardy, he's not scared to fight, he just used footwork and a game plan. Diaz should have tried to take him down more and mix it up. It happens.
Just watched it with sound off and this is an unbiased fact of how this fight should've been scored. Rd-1 goes to Carlos bc he was landing alot of legs kicks and moving aggressively forward. 10-9 CC Rd-2 goes to Nick bc his hands started to warm up, even though Carlos was landing a few kicks Nick had far more shots that were cleaner and accurate and pressing the action . 10-9 ND Rd-3 goes to Nick bc even though Carlos started the round with a couple head shots and kicks this is where Nick started to really find Carlos` head. More cleaner shots and more effective strikes landed Nick landed. Easily a 10-9 rd for Nick. Rd-4 goes to Condit since he actually moved forward the ONLY but whole round and landed far more shots than Diaz did. So that rd easily for Condit. 10-9 CC Rd-5 went like this. Carlos started off with some good leg kicks and they both traded a few headshots but ultimately Diaz took Condit down and took his back fairly easy and I say that bc anyone could've made that out and put him in some trouble and the only way Carlos got out was bc there was 8-9 seconds left and Diaz went for armbar otherwise another minute or two he mightve made him sleep. Take down+taking his back= 10-9 ND which equals Diaz-48 def. Carlos Condit-47 Anyone that argues cannot clearly see or is biased. Period
I think it's funny how Condit fought like Machida when he was fighting Rampage, Rampage was pushing the pace all three rounds and won, Diaz did the same thing, however Diaz being the one pushing the pace does not win. I think the judges need to come together and discuss how the fuck they're gonna judge.
Condit won clearly, intelligent game plan, more significant strikes, and being able to not fall into Diaz's game. MMA isn't just brawling, and this sport isn't dying, half of its fans just don't know what this sport is truly about. I don't paper view an event to see two guys swing at each other until the final bell, I can see that any time from amateurs for free. I paper view an event to see two guys pit their physical and mental capabilities against one another, Condit was simply the winner.
@WillBackbone I've already seen the fightmetric - it reveals that Condit won the fight on kicks to the calves,which is just ridiculous. Octagon control - Diaz,every round. Total 'significant' head strikes - Diaz. Total 'significant' body strikes - Diaz. Total 'significant' kicks Condit - about 68 of them,and 50 of them were to the calves. Condit was taken down in the 5th,and subjected to '3' sub.attempts - choke,arm-bar,and ankle-lock. Diaz won rounds 1,2,and 5 - he was robbed.
Diaz 1,2 and 5
I had Carlos 1, 3, and 4
I think the first round is where it is tricky
It didn't take a second viewing for me, I thought Nick won when I watched the fight live. A good close fight, but Diaz got robbed.
I watched it 3 times just now and Diaz definitely won ruclips.net/video/H2hFbx31FkE/видео.html
Gotta agree with Joe on this one, I had Nick winning the 1st, 2nd, and 5th rounds too. Condit was effective but didn't cause any real damage, backpeddaled the whole fight, and never really had Nick in danger. Nick landed the more effective shots in those 3 rounds and pressed the action the entire fight, and had a good submission attempt which was the only near finish.
I even think Diaz might have won round 3 aswell.
Sucks that this ep wasn't available to view.... thank you for posting this! Your awesome.
it is simple... Condit won the Match. Diaz won the Fight.
+Jsan Ljohn I watch MMA because I love watching fights so yeah.... :)
Nah condit lost both
No Diaz lost easy . He landed less shots no one hurt each other Diaz threw all baby shots . If it goes to judges it's who landed more. Diaz landed almost 100 shots less and neither guy was hurt. Talking shit doesn't mean you win . Diaz losses to all great fighter from same thing he can't score only talk trash
@@user-rl4cc8dw5r he landed more shots and condit was running and btw diaz throw with 50 percent so he doesnt get tired and he still was fucking condit up
@@MrManUnicorn haha well actually Carlos won 😂
Brilliant, Rogan. Completely agree with Rogan's assessment of the intelligence of Nick Diaz in terms of fighting; physical awareness and mental strategizing.
Nick Diaz is a god damn beast. I'd like to see someone else with endurance like him. Condit was running around in circles in there.
Diaz 1,2, 5 bitches
***** He did. It was even on the feet and then with a minute or so left Diaz hit a takedown and took Condit's back for the remainder of the fight. Thats a Diaz round all day
***** I agree rematch is in order!
1) Diaz won by Landing more effective and Clean shots!
2) Carlos's so called "nice movement" is actually called panicking ducking and running. Along with his FLICKING kicks that barely did damage!
3) Carlos DID land some clean shots, but not nearly enough to win the fight.
4) it's not a question that diaz could've done better, but what else would YOU do if your fighting for the interum belt and your opponent is basically RUNNING away?!?!
Great point with the shoulders turning. Im gonna say that's a solid definition of running.
no doubt Carlos outlanded Nick -- but the shots that Carlos landed were much weaker. No damage. Like taekwondo in the olympics ... I know that is a difficult job to be an mma judge (how do u score the strength of a punch???) but I thought Diaz won that fight
You thought wrong. Condit kicked Diaz twice in the head and rocked his world.
They were there and were feeling the shots. We were not. But those hits hurt a lot. I know because I've been hit. My jaw was dislocated even though I didn't go down. I felt it more the next day. One of the worst shots I ever felt was to the neck. Aimed at my chin but hit me in the neck.
Diaz was kicked and punched all night. Both have very strong chins. Carlos won it regardless of what who we are rooting for. Be truthful and fair. Don't say your favorite won. Both of them were hurting at some point. Or that they were weak hits. Until you are there you don't know. If you fight somebody then you are in the position to KNOW about kicks and punches and now it feels.
mrdan24 The fact that you felt the need to bring up that you've "hit" makes me think you're full pf shit.
Point fighting is bullshit, especially when the other guy clearly isn't hurt or even slightly phased from the opponents offense. Diaz never slowed down or had the slightest of a limp so those leg kicks shouldn't have counted for shit. Diaz landed more effective punches and should've scored points for octagon aggression.
the shots that condit was landing were hard, but diaz is just so tough he didnt show us they were hard. TV does not show how much a leg kick kills.
Nick won, You could score the strength of the strike by how much the guy runs away after the strike. duh !
the last few moments of this video.....PRICELESS
The thing I remember from the fight is that condit was hitting Diaz and just running away from him afterwards ,many a times. Smart but is not engaging, and more strategy than fighting. In my opinion Diaz won the fight but Condit won "the game"
Exactly what happened.... points are for games.!
👆👆outstanding assessment 😑👌💯
@@2869may you as well sir
WHERES THE REST OF THE PODCAST? that last part was just too funny
Carlos quickly deciphered Diaz's only game plan, which is is punches in bunches. After round 2 Condit avoided the initial strikes and darted in to land his own strikes. Just because it wasn't overly entertaining and Condit refused to let himself get punched in the face repeatedly by an accomplished boxer doesn't mean he lost. Either one of the Diaz brothers is easy to figure out if you don't play into their shit-talking
2112iscoming Well said.
yea but...that's gay
2112iscoming Same thing can be said about Connor McGregor but look at him...
Carlos "the natural born killer"..... LMFAO! didn't act like a "killer" he was point fighting, scared to bang it out... Points are for games.!
Carlos the running man.... should have been yellow carded and points taken away for avoiding the fight, Pride Rules which the UFC bought and shut down because they knew people would like their REAL fights better than pussy point fights, where someone can literally be SAVED by the bell and still "win" on "points"...LOL
@@2869may He won rounds 1 2 3 and 4 you deluded Diaz fan. Diaz brothers are trash LOOOOL.
@Shonem Absolutely and when trapped in a corner, most defensive boxers will dip and try to step around, But in an octagonal cage almost anywhere near the fence is a corner. Condit wanted to fight within the painted octagon on the mat. One important distinction when when comparing MMA defense to boxing: Boxers needn't worry about kicks or takedowns or clinch fighting. MMA defense can't be as subtle as boxing where all you have to avoid is the left and right hand. But I appreciate your points.
The only problem I had with that fight was the fact that condit RAN away and it was a shitty fight to watch. Despite all the condit talk - condit won but his career took a nose dive, especially with the fans.
Thanks 4 the up g
I am a massive nick diaz fan. nate also. they're fucking warriors. they come in and they try to fuck you up. if diaz was to run out and use his toughness to get a takedown I think he'd dominate the groundgame. it would actually be more exciting than GSP since GSP just holds people down. no disrespect of course, he's a great damn fighter but diaz is creative and entertaining. I believe he could easily submit condit in the rematch.
If nick diaz was a little stronger he wouldn't be stopped....ever
nick was robbed. same ol story. this ain't no marathon, Condit would have won that. Running all fight, and u get a decision. where they do that at.
u sure he'd win the marathon? Nick does triathlons lol
HAHA Condit won 1 2 3 and 4.
@@sukhdevr3489 how? Back peddling lmfao. Try again
@@kallyfromcali4062 He dominated the fight but deluded Diaz fans like you think your boys are special when they're trash🤣🤣
@@sukhdevr3489 This video clearly proves your response is trash 🗑 🤣 aww U tried tho
where do you watch these live??
I gave Condit 4 rounds as well. Diaz was all hype. He sure looked pathetic against GSP. I guess GSP is the best tho. Wish he would get his love for mma back , return, then kick the crap out of Hendricks.
vulcanman64 thats why gsp the best huh johnny hendrick beat him and he quiets mma
iphonekiller420 I guess you never watched the fight. GSP beat him and before the fight for about a month during many interviews he stated he had an announcement to make after the fight. Your either very slow or a troll. Ill pick slow.
+omerta really? Name one fight he did that. We're waiting fucknuts.
+omerta Hendricks ko Anderson??
+omerta lmao your fucked up pal. Hendricks never even fought silva. Get off the drugs loser then maybe you would make sense. When was the last time Hendricks knocked anyone out? How bout silva? Lol.
what podcast is this? what number? i wanna listen to it all
Condit 3,4,5. Giving Diaz rd 5 bc of a desperate takedown is ridiculous. U could give condit rd 1 as well. He was way busier. Moving forward doesn't make u the busier fighter any more than moving backward makes u less engaging. Condit outworked him, outstruck him, and fought a way better fight. Diaz is a punching bag. U all saw his face. Condit went to the club afterwards.
The Truth
+Patrick Keller Hilariously full of shit. He landed like 2 or 3 decent combo's the entire fight. For almost the entirety of the fight he hit nothing leg kicks. Nick was the one landing the punches. Nick looked busted up because of all the scar tissue in his face. It was a lousy fight that no fight fan wants to see. The fans in attendance booed Carlos out of the building.
+Jim Dandy dude u know I posted that almost a year ago. You're clearly a Diaz fanboy and as Joe would say you're getting "emotionally attached to results". Let me guess, you also think Condit beat Lawler and its karma for your boy. Don't lie James. I can smell a Diaz troll from a mile away. I'm glad he got his ban reduced so he come back and get smoked. You better just keep pullin for Nate cuz Nick is on the way out. That was the last crack at a title he'll ever have. Condit pieced him up. You're a troll. Grass is green....you get it. Maybe you don't. Diaz fans aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. Try not to troll this thread too much bud.
@@patrickkeller458 Facts.
Joe Rogan is one of the best things with the UFC
Rogan is wrong...condit totally won
you're an idiot
F@#k You Dumbass
@@asaenz06 You are.
the way Joe Rogan Scored it at home is the exact way I had it. 1,2, & 5 for Diaz 3, & 4 for Condit.
Nick Diaz is the most overrated fighter in the history of MMA. Dude's last UFC win was in 2011. The last time he's had a UFC KO was in 2006. He cries like a little baby about the judges every time he loses. Can we please just label Nick Diaz (and his brother) as slightly above average fighters and move on?
Your mom's is overrated!!!
XxsoccerxX z 100% agree
***** You make some valid points and I will take your advice into consideration. Good looking out bro!
overrated when every fighter literally runs from him only guy to beat him was gsp facts
+Rosa Rodriguez fact? You must have a different definition of the word fact. Lol
The interview just got really good at the very end and you cut it off. I want to know about the bet! How hairy was it?
dude howd u get the video for the podcast? did u watch it live?
can someone help me who is the first guy to the left of screen who joe is talking to
much appreciated
this is not street fighting, this is a sport with rules, which involves tactics.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night!,.......all day!!!
The reason its hard for Big Country(Roy Nelson) to lose the belly is because already has a pretty high body fat ratio to begin with, and he continues to make lots of hard muscle, which makes intermuscular fat, or fat trapped beneath layers of muscle, which is incredibly hard to get rid of.
alot like edgar vs penn 1, a fighter is able to win a contest as opposed winning a FIGHT, beat someone without actually hurting them
You can tell Rogan is a huge Diaz fan
what jre is this??
@andrewphbrown OK, so please you tell me, what rounds Diaz won and what rounds Condit won.
so are you for watching him.
I'm as calm as can be, you're trying to judge my state of mind foolishly. But it's been nice, you made me watch every fight I didn't of Nick Diaz. I start to like what he does even if it's not as strategic as some others. The guy sure got heart, determination and a very good chin.
Diaz fans are by far the smartest MMA fans out there. Im just interested as to why that is? I guess its because a super intellegent fighter like Diaz just emmits this radiance that other geniuses are drawn to.
There's a big difference from sticking and moving and running.
@Shonem I get where your coming from, but along with MMA, I've been a boxing fan for 25 years and counterpunching boxers often fight moving backwards, picking there spots to stand and fight before moving out of harms way. I can understand those who don't enjoy that style, especially since you don't see it very often in MMA, but it is a very effective strategy. The only issue I would take is with calling it running. Guys like Hector Camacho run, Condit, Muhammad Ali, Pernell Whitaker didn't run.
Joe is exactly right. I thought he took 1,2, and 5 for sure, and when I watched it again it only reinforced that thought.
People underrate Nick big time. It's criminal.
Man you said it I agree with you %100.
This would be the episode with Brian Callen, Episode 182.
cheers mate appreciate it
If there is a rematch, and Nick Diaz tries to take the fight to the ground, he wouldnt be able to do it because Condit would run away from him.
Mark Twain said:"never argue with stupid people, they will only bring you down to their level, and win by experience". You win.
yeah, he missed the press conference. it is part of what is contractually required for a fighter to do and he pissed it away. WITH NO EXPLANATION
Which episode of JRE is this from?
@Goncinni k thx man i respect you bro ill for sure check him out.
Ergo? What does that mean?
I agree Jo.
I like both Condit and Diaz but while Condit was backing up, he was landing shots the whole time. I've said this before, it is a contact sport and contact = points, regardless if you're moving forward or moving backward.
in all diaz's out of the cage videos he doesnt chill with thugs or gangsters. he's just tough
I like both Nick and Condit alot,...But I heard a phrase from one of Diaz's trainer's that if Diaz and St Pierre walked into a alley that Diaz would be the only one walking out. I truly believe this to be that case for Diaz and Condit, if they walked into a dark alley, Diaz would be the only one walkin out the dark alley
The sad thing about the Condit vs Diaz fight is that 1. Nick did win (fact) by the current judging criteria. 2. If MMA inserted the yellow card like Pride which they definitely should, then it would've been a 50-45 win for Nick.
Current judging criteria: Octagon Control, Aggression, EFFECTIVE Striking and Effective Grappling.
Nick won Octagon Control, Aggression and Effective Grappling undebatably.
Effective Striking is the controversial part (continued)...
Condit took full advantage of the current scoring system. It was a brilliant piece of counter fighting. I just wish that fight took place in the smaller cage. Even UFC fighters don't realize the UFC has 2 different cages and one is much smaller than the other. The smaller cage forced people to fight so you see allot more finishes. There's less room to circle and "fight evasively" like Condit did in the smaller cage. They use the smaller cage for Casino's and smaller venues. Frankly I wish they used it for Stadium shows and everything else. The larger cage is ridiculous for Flyweights like Johnson who can exploit all that extra space. It encourage defensive fighting. There's something called "Ring generalship" or "Cage Control" and Diaz OWNED the center of that octagon. Condit was forced to the outside the entire fight. That scores allot of point for Diaz. Clearly Jackson watched the old Joe Riggs vs Diaz fight where Riggs circled and fought defensively the entire fight and someone came away with a controversial decision. It's allot easier to hit someone who's coming straight at you. On the other hand running from your opponent is called "timidity" and it doesn't score points. Lastly Condit landed allot of wimpy little kicks while scurrying backwards. How do you score those? They did no damage at all.
The coolest thing about Rogan is that he's a huge Diaz mark.
The first time Carlos fought like this
saying that there was going to be a war
having the strategy of winning by points
that is playing the system
no UFC champion do that shit.
Now remember, it's EFFECTIVE Striking. The don't score it based on who lands more shots, they score it on the shots that are EFFECTIVE.
Here's the FightMetric stats for the fight:
Total Strikes: Condit - 159, Diaz - 117.
Head Strikes: Condit - 55, Diaz - 62.
Body Strikes: Condit - 36, Diaz - 49.
Leg Strikes: Condit - 68, Diaz - 6.
Condit only outstruck Nick with leg strikes. Now let's not forget it is judged based on EFFECTIVE Striking. (Continued)
I want to hear the rest of the story!!!
that's a fact but giving a result just watching the faces at the end of a fight is debatible.
met nick in a tournament in 2004 / bjj nationals ( pretty sure it was 2004 maybe 2005 ) in so cal .... i was a wht belt n he was competing as a purple belt ... he was the nicest guy ever .... really kind of quiet pesonality ( not an asshole at all ) .... took some pictures n talked a little ........ super nice guy ( he won his division ) ..... good guy ...... diaz fan all the way ......
Yo is the commentator from warrior and that agent from entourage
I was so mad listening to rogan say Carlos was winning the fight and not saying hey this looks like 2-2 going into the 5th ! Happy he admits he was wrong tho !!
@cappellifiore Yea that's fine, don't worry about it. Those will we interesting fights and hopefully Rashad isn't a cakewalk and can actually prove to be somewhat of a threat, unlike Jones' previous title defences. I'm excited for Sonnen vs Silva 2 as well.
Stick n Move is always more effective than Walk n Talk
Condit didn't stand there like a punching bag and get hit, he took Diaz out of his comfort zone, frustrated him, was far more dynamic and ended up out striking him by 30%, no edging about it (Fightmetric Fact). The highlight was Condit landing that awesome head kick that made Diaz blow his own nose out.
really? I'm not saying I dont believe you but I've not heard anything about diaz admitting to that sort of fighting. could you link it?
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We can debate who won what round, but one thing that's without a doubt was Nick Diaz controled the octagon and pushed Condit back the entire fight.
Funny how Cecil Peoples was a judge for the first Machida vs Shogun fight and screwed that one up.
is that radio host the dude from MAD TV?!
Gotta love Joe!!!!!!!
Nick won that fight. I was so pissed off when condits arm was raised. I would love to see a rematch. Nick is the true champ.
i wanna hear the rest of the story at the end
5:29 'what we throwin' spin shit now" lol
@tyroneballs1 No. I was responding to the Diaz fans that said he did more damage.
Joe said it perfectly about live to on tv... Condit (Jackson's camp) appeared to win the fight scoring with weak kicks and counters. Diaz is the better fighter and he only lost because the UFC has created this type of atmosphere. GSP has made a career at winning fights by winning rounds.
FYI POINT fighting, is typically what Nick does. Look up his boxing style
Yeah, theres 2 sides to fighting, offense and defense. Not only was condits offense better than diaz but he also had a defensive plan. That's the difference between a smart fighter and a reckless fighter.
@Alpinex105 i agree, if you walk forward and throw less than 10 strikes, you cant say you won a round.
@Alpinex105 Decmocracy is a fantasy or dream.But I heard they are going to fight again but I have not seen any confirmation from the UFC.However, Condit's management is revising all fights until GSP title shot but this is only speculation though.
@emperor1994 you cant look at the overall numbers, you have to look at it on a round by round basis
LMAO Where the fuck was that conversation going at the end??? LOL
"Tonight's fights will be judged based the following criteria:"
1. Effective Striking Diaz 35% Condit 65%
2. Grappling Diaz 70% Condit 30%
3. Agression Diaz 80% Condit 20%
4. Octagon control Diaz 85% Condit 15%
Anyone disagree with these stats? That's how I looked at this fight. This is my opinion so if you disagree thats cool dont attack me.
Wasn't the guy on the left Eddie in The Hangover???? lol
You can still fight intelligently and still give an excellent performance to viewers. The fight showed that Carlos didn't work that hard for the Diaz fight in terms of actually training to finish him off. Instead, he took the easy way out without putting risk on the line that all the champions in the UFC do, excluding GSP as of late. What got to me is that Carlos ranted about how he was going deliver a great fight on the primetime show and failed to deliver it, knowing that he wouldn't.
Nick and Carlos both fought a great fight that night.It's just one of those fights that needs to be seen again for many reasons. Not just b/c fans are arguing. I would love to see this fight again and see how it plays out. Both of them are just incredible fighters. Condit banged out with Hardy, he's not scared to fight, he just used footwork and a game plan. Diaz should have tried to take him down more and mix it up. It happens.
Just watched it with sound off and this is an unbiased fact of how this fight should've been scored.
Rd-1 goes to Carlos bc he was landing alot of legs kicks and moving aggressively forward. 10-9 CC
Rd-2 goes to Nick bc his hands started to warm up, even though Carlos was landing a few kicks Nick had far more shots that were cleaner and accurate and pressing the action . 10-9 ND
Rd-3 goes to Nick bc even though Carlos started the round with a couple head shots and kicks this is where Nick started to really find Carlos` head. More cleaner shots and more effective strikes landed Nick landed. Easily a 10-9 rd for Nick.
Rd-4 goes to Condit since he actually moved forward the ONLY but whole round and landed far more shots than Diaz did. So that rd easily for Condit. 10-9 CC
Rd-5 went like this. Carlos started off with some good leg kicks and they both traded a few headshots but ultimately Diaz took Condit down and took his back fairly easy and I say that bc anyone could've made that out and put him in some trouble and the only way Carlos got out was bc there was 8-9 seconds left and Diaz went for armbar otherwise another minute or two he mightve made him sleep. Take down+taking his back= 10-9 ND which equals Diaz-48 def. Carlos Condit-47
Anyone that argues cannot clearly see or is biased. Period
I think it's funny how Condit fought like Machida when he was fighting Rampage, Rampage was pushing the pace all three rounds and won, Diaz did the same thing, however Diaz being the one pushing the pace does not win. I think the judges need to come together and discuss how the fuck they're gonna judge.
Condit won clearly, intelligent game plan, more significant strikes, and being able to not fall into Diaz's game. MMA isn't just brawling, and this sport isn't dying, half of its fans just don't know what this sport is truly about. I don't paper view an event to see two guys swing at each other until the final bell, I can see that any time from amateurs for free. I paper view an event to see two guys pit their physical and mental capabilities against one another, Condit was simply the winner.
just rewatch the fight everyone.
@WillBackbone I've already seen the fightmetric - it reveals that Condit won the fight on kicks to the calves,which is just ridiculous. Octagon control - Diaz,every round. Total 'significant' head strikes - Diaz. Total 'significant' body strikes - Diaz. Total 'significant' kicks Condit - about 68 of them,and 50 of them were to the calves. Condit was taken down in the 5th,and subjected to '3' sub.attempts - choke,arm-bar,and ankle-lock. Diaz won rounds 1,2,and 5 - he was robbed.
when joe watched it live he didnt just smoke a blunt lol.
I also think Nick Diaz won, but Carlos Condit fought a smart fight. Would love to see them go at it again, with Nick finishing him with strikes.