Hey yall I use the term "they' as a neutral term a lot when talking about characters. I do this subconsciously I guess to not sound repetitive if I keep saying "he" "she" or the characters name over and over. If its confusing to anyone sorry about that will work on it.
Its not that she didnt have bullets to shoot the doll, she shot 3 times in the house. The gun failed to discharge when attempting to shoot the doll multiple times... supernatural forces.
@@dotkham bro, that was the purpose of showing us shooting it 3 times and misfiring, when she had only shot it 3 other times, you gripe with realism when it is made blatantly obvious the supernatural forces will not allow for her to kill the doll
@@Xeebodude is dumb for not reading properly but what should be the focus is why she didn’t try to shoot it before the husband killed the wife. He very clearly was going to and she didn’t even try to shoot the doll until after the husband killed the wife, shot him and then shooting her own mom. Why wait until people died b
Let's start with who/what "Longlegs" is. Baal, the demon that once ruled hell, is described as having an ashen look or carrying ash and having a hoarse, peculiar voice. Of note was that his form was inconsistent, having different faces/different heads, but he is depicted as having the body/legs of a spider. In some interpretations, people would sacrifice children to him. He granted wisdom, control over men, and powers such as invisibility. Baal eventually gave up the throne in hell to Satan, taking on the role of prince. It's unclear if he bowed willingly or put up a fight, but he became Satan's subject. So, while Baal had some independence, he would not have the power to harm anything created or protected by Satan. One way to look at this is that Lee's relationship to Satan predates her meeting Longlegs, by way of her mother--why the mother always pushed her to pray, though Lee can't do it because it "scared" her (possessed people or those under demonic influence supposedly cannot recite prayers). So, while Longlegs may have wanted Lee's family in his ritual, he couldn't take her. Notable that he certainly couldn't possess the father. Instead, Longlegs forced/tricked Lee's mother to take part in his plans, a bargain with a demon on top of a bargain with the devil. Likewise, Lee's psychic powers could be a remnant of Satan--unclear if she was his child, but that would explain a lot. "Evil vs Evil" is a theme that goes back to The Exorcist and, of course, into thousands of years of mythology before that: some evil spirits feud with or are subjugated by others. Humans sometimes hope to play them against each other. Though in regards to demonology, there is a lot of order and hierarchy, almost a civility to how the realm operates. This helps put some context to Longleg's comments about being a "friend of a friend" and talking about the "man downstairs" and the very loaded statement about "we" learning she wanted to go into law enforcement (possibly talking about him, mom, And Satan). It also frames the Baphomet looking demon as being a separate entity, simply watching Lee from afar. The Longlegs himself is likely a possessed human. It's unknown how he fell into his state, but some of his quirks may be related; he listened to rock music, kept/drew symbols, and crafted dolls (which can be related to dark magic). What we physically see is the end result of long-term possession, a shell of a man, corrupted and rotten. Though extremely powerful, hence his ability to craft mind-controlling artifacts and get the fathers to kill their families. It's hinted that he's been going into the hardware store for years (for supplies) and that family has seen his decline--not explicitly shown but we can imagine they were quick to report him once the FBI put out his image. It would also explain why Longlegs wanted out of the physical body once he thought his work was done; the "hail Satan" is not just a farewell; it is the demon committing his end to Satan, giving him glory, and returning to his service. Personally I haven't looked at any of the website or trailers, though some of those themes may resonate with anyone that digs in some more.
How did you interpret the end? Why she’s just staring at the doll and not leaving then the movie ends? Is it because she’s now mind controlled and gonna finish the kid off and do long legs work next?
@@Zalzebul I would guess no. I see more of her recognizing what's happened and who she might be, that there're worse forces out there. Though, her being free of Longlegs' influence would not free her from Satan. If indeed her mother formed a pact with Satan or she is one of his offspring, Baal's "games" are probably small in comparison to what Satan would want with her. Baal already showed patience by waiting years before taking the previous survivor, keeping her in his dark place. If the kid is that important to Baal, he'll come back to get her or wait for her suicide. Baal was only ever able to exert his will over Lee with the threat of doing harm to her mother via the letter--not exactly magical, he had to resort to reason & trickery. This was with his doll artifact intact. I'd say Lee's immunity to him, in particular, is even stronger at the end of the movie.
@@SRQBID thanks for the input. Who was it that called Lee on the phone at the end? I couldn’t make out the voice. Also did lees mom brain wash the family at the end with the doll? I was surprised the mom knew where the family lived
@@SRQBIDyou're over thinking this. I think you make a lot of good points, but you're over thinking it. I think you need to factor in mind control and hypnosis and the techniques that are clearly shown in the movie. Also, Lee is absolutely not more resilient or resistant to the influence of the doll at the end. She was absolutely caught in the doll's power. She goes to shoot the doll, but the chamber is empty. she tries again and it's still empty. Then, without moving a single muscle or looking away she says "Okay, let's go Ruby." And then she still remains transfixed by the puppet even after saying this. Even having said "Let's go" she doesn't make a shift or motion that would indicate she is free to leave of her own volition. If she was not in the dolls control she would have either smashed it physically when the gun didn't shoot, or she would have been shown actually moving in a way that indicates that she is able to walk away. We don't see that. The last time we see her she is frozen, looking directly at the doll. It got her bruv. Hate to say.
Majority of people watching horror films should know the labeling they do of " scariest movie" is just marketing. Feel people get so wrapped up in wanting to be terrified they dismiss the movie as horrible because it didnt hit the fear factor for them. You can watch a movie in the horror category that is still a great film. This movie is well written, great cinemetography, and if you watch it as a dark supernarural thriller you will appreciate the film more.
in future, they should do their marketing like the korean shop around the corner from me. I always tell the cook not quite so spicy please, and he says no, I make it very light, and then the food is as spicy as hell and burns twice. But because it's so good, I always eat there
Well written? This movie is filled with plot holes so glaring it would flip a 18 wheeler. So a serial killer says to an FBI agent "ask your mommy" and you think the FBI wouldn't take the mom in for questioning? The entire 3rd act is nonsensical garbage.
The ending to me was like “the man downstairs” coming upstairs to get Lee. It sounded like the biggest, evil footsteps. Lee broke off her protection from him by killing her mother
You know what I realized after just watching it. I think that there’s so much reference to the man downstairs because he was living underneath their house her whole life after that. Another thing is before she goes to the interrogation she asks where is he to the other agent and she says he’s downstairs right under your feet. Crazy foreshadowing of the ending
To me I think Lee’s doll is the only one that gets destroyed, the black smoke out of the doll I think is the metal ball broken, so I like to think she’s safe, however I don’t think the daughter at the end is. Her doll isn’t destroyed and so I think she’ll be catatonic just like the other little girl is, until something wakes her up, I really don’t know what would happen next but I believe Lee is safe but idk about the daughter
Something I haven't seen anyone mention as to "how he did it"... Did no one else notice that the coroner who removed the metal ball from the Carrie Anne doll said that he thought he was hearing his ex-wife's name from the ball? The dolls themselves aren't necessarily enchanted, but the balls are, the voice of whatever demon affects adult men. Also, Lee's birthday is, I believe, the year before his first acknowledged victims at the camera family farm. Lee didn't have a father figure to manipulate in any way, not through a cult or psychopathic manipulation, or magic. He had to go in and do it himself. He would have left evidence, so it was also beneficial for him to have an accomplice. For that specific situation, 'Daddy' Long Legs is a father figure for Lee, which she didn't remember... She's also the one that got away for him and he kept tabs on her.
Loved the foreshadowing of Carie Anne telling Lee that she’s been to the Camera farm before. Or at least someone who looks like her has (ie: Lee’s mother).
I think it has to do with the fact that he’s not very present in his family life. He consistently is drunk, doesn’t call home and seems like the job is taking a toll on him. He could’ve easily just forgot!
Literally like he clearly cares about his daughter enough to not wanting to know the age of the child victims. So SURELY at one point he would go “hmmm when is my daughters birthday” even just as a passing thought
I think he actually did. Because when Harker mentioned the dates to him, he sat back in his chair and shook his head like he was a little worried. But then he ultimately went into denial mode.
So what helps a ton in understanding this movie is viewing it knowing Longlegs is a puppet/doll himself, who is possessed by Satan/baal or what have you. From this perspective so much more makes sense, longlegs is a body that satan posses, he isn't in it at all times, which is why he said "I am wearing my longlegs today", this implies different forms, or the scene when longlegs is just sitting lifeless and motionless in the basement, he isn't actively possessed at that time. It also explains how he creates something supernatural like the mind controlling dolls, it is not longlegs making those dolls it is satan or whatever. It also explains longlegs' body being almost corpse like and deformed. Also explains how longlegs knows things about people that he shouldn't, or the future, or how he looks at people through the TV as they play back their interview with him. It explains why longlegs bashes his own head in, because that body is no longer useful to the demon as it is caputured now, so it destroys it, and moves to the next host, Lee's mother. And so on...So the whole time longlegs is a doll posses by a demon the entire time.
Lee at the end of the film is rocking a revolver, which usually carry six rounds in its cylinder. Lee shoots 2 people and when she turns the gun on the doll, the thing doesn't go off... I think thats something that we might be missing or looking to deep into. For the majority of the film, she's rocking a 9mm of some sort, with the exception of this last scene. Did anyone else catch that?
@@anthonygray6570 It very could well been a mechanical error, but I think it kinda signifies the complete formation of the second triangle they were talking about, but I'm not sure how.... Like I said...Maybe we're looking too deep into it.
Well her mom probably took the 9mm from Lee after she passed out, but she maybe kept a backup revolver either on her or in the car (where her FBI colleague was taken out)
LOVED this movie! I can't wait to see it, again. The one part that I found confusing was the part when Longlegs breaks into her home to leave her the birthday card. She saw a strange man in her home, checked out like 2 or 3 rooms with her gun drawn, noticed the envelope on her desk....and had a seat? She didn't seem to care very much about the strange man in her home. Did I miss something?
She can't remember anything related to longlegs until her doll got destroyed. That's why she didn't remember the memories of him and her mom until afterwards.
I think a small sliver of her knew subconsciously she was protected by the ritual. Just a guess. I think that is where the psychic abilities originate as well.
Yeah that completely threw me too. She is an FBI agent, she sees someone walk casually through her house clear as day. She proceeds to clear just a few rooms then disregards the invader might be (probably is) still inside the home. I give this movie the benefit of the doubt and think this scene was done this way intentionally, to show that Harker is really... off in a lot of ways and just different and incomprehensible. She doesn't really process information the same way and I say this meaning no offense, carries herself throughout her interactions as if she has a mental or behavioral disability or illness. It's later made clear Harker's bizarre, almost non-human behavior is probably a result of being manipulated by a supernatural force.
I took the ending as insinuating that the devil will always exist, and that’s why she couldn’t shoot the doll. The devil will always exist, but he can be stopped as long as someone stops the rituals to summon him from underneath. Now that the Mum and Longlegs have been killed, no one will be doing his bidding and murdering people as ritual sacrifice.
I love that explanation, thank you. BUT I have a feeling the doll not being destroyed is leading to a sequel which chances are, will stink lol, but I'd still watch it.
This is the best explanation. The revolver not firing (which rarely ever happens) was signifying how the evil in the world will still persist but for now, temporarily for Lee, it’s over. I didn’t get a sense of dread in her face at the end. I got more of a sigh of relief yet, trepidation.
@@Ahmadazak_ I think you're half right. I think it's more of a Pandora's box situation. It cannot be stopped. Longlegs fucked with shit that he shouldn't have and now this form of unstoppable evil will always be there, by trauma or similar acts or with Harker literally. Evil cannot be contained.
the black mist in the silver ball represents the devil inside of everyone. If I remember it was referenced as being in everyone by Nicolas Cages character
I had no idea this film would turn out to be a supernatural horror, i thought it was just going to be like a silence of the lambs/zodiac killer murder mystery kind of film. Also, when Lee was trying to piece it all together by saying "theyre letting someone they trust into their homes probably a child," made you think it was the girl at the psychiatric ward, right? But it was really the mother, nice misdirection by the writer.
SPOILER COMMENT was the black ball inside the doll's head putting them into a trance? I thought the reason why she didn't shoot the doll at the end is because she wanted the girl to remain in a trance as if she shot the doll, the realisation of her parents murder would be too much for her.
She couldn’t shoot it because her gun wouldn’t fire, she used 3 bullets but that gun holds 6, imo, given the supernatural context, the devil prevented her from destroying the doll, so that the daughter (who would be catatonic like the mental hospital girl) can eventually be awoke by the devil and he can have her commit, finishing the ritual
I just want to mention a few things i haven't seen any channels speak on. There was no birthday party. No friends, no family. The house was clean. No signs of a party. Oh but lee was late. The cake wasnt cut yet. It was always for Lee. The carter family especially the mother act strange when we meet them. Carter also pushes Lee around in the movie. Makes her go out to drink, meet his fam, speak to her mother etc. Carter was alresdy "possessed" in a way. Lee is the only victim who didnt have a father. All the families had a father to carry out the murders. She would be the only one longlegs would have to physically murder. So was she never in danger? Was it just all a trick to gain accsses to her mother? The goat figure is guiding lee. Every discovery she makes its around. The tap on her shoulder as she puts. It wanted her to sovle the case. To find long legs. Lets her see what it wants her to see. So if its all a ritual for the devil why did the devil sabatoge it with lee? Was it all just a game? Yea im probably reading to much into it. Idk.
My interest peaked when they were examining the doll and the ball, but was disappointed they didn't go more into that aspect and didn't show us more on how that worked as it was the creepiest thing to me.
Maybe I'm mistaken but didn't similar vibrational sounds play throughout the film? If so, I feel that was the aim it was going for as it infects the atmosphere.
Once you get over the amazing tone and feel of the movie, it's pretty apparent how bad and thin the writing was. It's just "evil magic". That's the answer. Longlegs performed evil magic rituals and it magically put victims souls in the ball with some of his soul and then the devil had control or influence over them. Evil magic.
It's honestly as simple as it looks, but that is also why a lot of people hate "elevated" horror, it does leave a lot of things unanswered. Yet at the same time, that is the very same reason why people keep talking about those movies and making them more relevant than any other genre in horror
Really liked this movie. Gave me my Zodiac fix. It’s not a typical mainstream horror movie so I can understand why some people don’t like it. It’s a double edge sword. I appreciate that it’s not your typical jump scare fest with something crazy happening every 3 minutes, but at the same time it wouldn’t hurt if it had some
So... I counted exactly six really loud jump scares in this movie (accompanied by super loud audio stings), with one happening in the first 120 seconds of the movie. So I'm not sure we watched the same thing. For what it's worth, I think jump scares are a pretty cheap way to "startle" the audience but not actually create any meaningful horror. My rule of thumb is if any more than two jump scares in a horror movie, it's garbage. This had six. Which is a lot for any horror movie and I remember actually becoming annoyed at it.
@@stephensloniker1761 that’s a weird way to judge a movie. There’s nothing wrong with jump scares as long as they are earned. The only issue is cheap jump scares that are random that are just there for the sake to startle you
@@EthanRom Yeah I get you. It's just a general rule for me. My reasoning is, I could scare you (or vice versa you could scare me) at any given time of the day by playing a super loud noise and displaying a jarring image. So in the horror realm, I always felt jump scares were always "cheap" and unearned, by definition. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. Pay attention how many jump scares are in the next horror movie you watch and keep track. If it's more than one or two, it means the director is relying on cheap tricks that play on basic human biology (loud noises), rather than authentic tension, atmosphere, dread, and world-building. And I can almost guarantee a "jump scare" movie lacks in one or more of these categories. They are most prolific in low brow slasher and creature feature type horror movies. I'll admit though, it's a matter of preference. By way of example, one of my favorite movies, The Exorcist, has maybe one or arguable two jump scares throughout. The movie Se7en (another favorite) has one. The Witch has only one I believe. Blair Witch... zero. There are exceptions though. My all time favorite movie, The Thing, has four. So it's not a hard rule but a pretty solid general guideline. Any way you cut it, six jump scares in this movie is darn near a record based on my limited memory, and I watch a lot of horror movies.
@@stephensloniker1761 Pretty sure there’s plenty more in the Exorcist. There’s at least 7+ and that’s supposedly the “greatest horror movie” of all time. Anyways who am I to knock on your preference. Everybody is different. I personally sometimes enjoy a good jump scare if it relates to the story and moves it forward and isn’t like what you just a loud noise for the sake of a scare. There are also things like “silent” jump scares where there is a reveal usually a body or something horrifying
@@EthanRom That's really interesting. I'm not an authority on the subject or anything, but a jump scare (for me) requires a loud, abrupt audio sting. Maybe that's why you say 7 and I say 2. There's actually a website that catalogues jump scares in all mainstream horror movies if you can believe it, and it puts The Exorcist closer to your number. But it has a very wide definition of a jump scare. Anyways, I guess it's a moot point. But I will say while the general wisdom is jump scares are cheap and unearned among horror snobs, they - can - be valuable to elevate tension. I think we can agree it's when they are used too much is when it is an issue. How much is too much is up to preference. For me, you get two. For you, probably a higher number.
I feel like we're missing something here. At one point her mom says that if they stop doing what they're doing their souls will be condemned to hell for eternity. If that's the case then when lee shot her mother she was making a choice to save the girl at the cost of her own Immortal soul. That's what made the end for me so horrifying. I think that as great as this movie is Perkins made a mistake by not just ending the film on her face but having that last Nick Cage outburst. I would have cut that.
The dread I felt when the interrogation began was intense because I had guessed from the trailer he (or someone) would kill themself or seriously injur themselves in front of her because of they way she was backed against the wall and traumatized when the other agents rush in. My mind was reeling on how it would happen if he was handcuffed and had no weapon. Add to that, my unease with his voice because he sounded like HIM from the Powerpuff girls with his high echoey voice and appearance, so spooky! I saw it twice tonight. Thank you for your dedication to covering this every step of the way. I was ultra creeped out by the first showing I went to.
Longlegs had nothing to do with Lee becoming an FBI agent, he even said at one point that "they" (presuming he and the mother) laughed when Lee decided to join the FBI.
I actually inferred the opposite, that the "they" he refers to was him and Harker. That they spoke at length about it at some point (when Harker was 20), implying he directly influenced her to join the FBI, reinforcing the other plot points in which it is shown Longlegs has been guiding Harker throughout (and long before) the events of the movie. What he says next is even more telling, something along the lines of "I laughed so much, but you never laughed" (paraphrasing), indicating the conversation about her career did occur between Longlegs and Harker. I distinctly remember hearing the word "you" when he said that, so he definitely wasn't referring to her mother. Which is a pretty depressing thought, that the social anxiety and how desperately out of place Harker looks in every scene is because she never really wanted to be in the FBI, she was influenced to do it.
@@stephensloniker1761it could make sense I remember the chief asking harker why she joined and she explicitly saying “ I don’t know “ I understand it could be a simple response but in a movie like this an I don’t know could mean she was guided this whole time
@@TheMorgueBasicSlasherFan I missed that line in the movie. For all the plot holes in the story, I think they did do a good job of telegraphing she was being controlled to some degree. Whether it was her odd, almost inhuman responses to basic questions, how nervous and awkward she appeared in every scene, and the weird stilt in how she talks (almost like she is hiding a southern accent). Without meaning to offend, Harker honestly came off as sort of mentally handicapped and / or deranged, (although extremely book smart) and not much of what she did tracks with what a normal person would do in each situation she is presented. I think the writers were hoping we would pick up on the clues they left, like Harker's completely bonkers decision to stop searching the house after looking through two rooms, when she clearly saw someone inside moments prior. Like, in what world? Then he floor CREAKS behind her as she reads the letter and she seems entirely unbothered and continues on, oblivious. Great catch though, thanks for sharing.
@@mollyt1296 I'll admit I could be wrong. Nick Cage's Tiny Tim voice was kinda tough to parse through exactly what he was saying at some points. One because his high inflection and two, because most of what he said was jibberish.
I think (myself included) had a preconceived notion about how the movie was going to go and though it may have failed THAT expectation (which is no one’s fault but our own) I actually loved the final product. I’m seeing it again tomorrow but I like seeing everyone’s perspectives of not only the movie but the larger themes presented.
The murders seem to always come in 3. Usually that involves the mother, father and daughter. In the case of the Camera family, the local priest happened to be there and was killed as a result. This allowed Kari Ann to escape death, although she was left in a catatonic state as a result of the doll being buried, instead of being returned to Longlegs. In Carter’s home, Carter, his wife and Ruth were killed, filling the quota with Ruby escaping death. With Longlegs and Ruth being killed, there is no one left to return the Ruby doll but Lee, and Lee’s connection to Longlegs was severed with the destruction of her doll. Longlegs’ final connection now exists through Lee with Ruby and her doll. Now the choice is left to Harker to either spare Ruby, just as she was spared as a child, and continue Longlegs’ work, or to leave Ruby in her catatonic state as we see her in the final scene. When Carter and Harker are leaving the forensics lab that contained the Kari Ann Camera doll and orb, Carter asks the tech to “open up the orb”, the tech responds that he can but it’s hollow. We find out that Kari Ann killed herself the next day, which would coincide with the tech “opening up” the orb. When Ruth destroyed the Lee doll’s orb, Lee was knocked unconscious and woke up in Longlegs’ room. I believe she is now in the service of “the man downstairs”, fulfilling Longlegs’ role. The connection with Ruby doll is through her, and that’s why she can’t destroy it herself. But that’s just a theory…a film theor….nah I can’t do that lol
I wanted to like it but it just took a bunch of fun tropes and completely failed to tie them together. There was no point to the decoding the cryptic letters. Why would Longlegs even leave letters? They started with a cool psychic agent and even had psychic tests and a discussion of results. This never came back up except explaining why she had the powers (but the reasoning was very specific to her. It originally seemed like a power some people had, there were tests for it, it was being discussed casually). How were the dolls from all the other murders never found? Did the mom go back to move the dolls? They talked about no evidence of entry, wouldn't there be evidence of the mom entering? It would be more believable if the doll needed to be in the house for a long time but it was shown to work pretty instantly at the kids birthday. Why would the kid have a birthday party and only invite her dad's coworker? The only code that was "cracked" was the triangle with the dates which would only work if you laid out the calendar in an arbitrary way. Oh and 2 people have their birthday on the 14th and never thought it was worth mentioning? Also still no relevance given to the 14th. The horrible line of "I was a nurse for 8 years, now I kill families". No significance of her being a nurse which would have been a much better way to get close to families / give this a timeline. Why did the mom keep murdering after Longlegs was dead / the doll was broken and demonic tie severed? Why do you need the dolls in the first place? They mentioned Voodoo, but the kids were never controlled, it was always the father. Just seems like you need the stone to be inside a house for a short period of time. I get the childhood trauma, fuzzy memory, that's a common movie trope. But did she spend her whole childhood never being curious about the basement? That could have been a good thing to mention. Also her prayers were mentioned 3 times, even with a reply of her saying they always scared her. Great opportunity for a reveal that the prayers were satanic and that the mom was a satanist instead of just dropping the prayers, the mom's motive being it was a deal she made to save her kid's life It just felt like, hrm, what makes a good thriller? Serial killer, cursed dolls, psychic powers, satan, cryptic codes. And just threw them all together without working to make them fit together / have the cleverness to make these elements payoff
@@mordumbladezz5836he got caught because Lee finally had a photo on them and the other detective said “are you sure you want to go on a manhunt based on this”. They probably went door to door in the area and everyone knows him as the creepy man. Someone probably told the police they see him at the bus stop right now is my assumption
The black smoke essence inside the orb comes out of Lee's head before she passes out. Who called Lee to tell her shes late for Rubies birthday? I found it interesting Lee's father was never mentioned or shown. I got so many questions
I assumed the end meant that the doll basically consumed Lee since she disrupted the cycle by killing her mother, so now Lee would end up having to kill the kid and then either herself as well, or for her to then have to carry out the role of her mother
That part confused me a bit. So do you think the curse is broken bc she killed her mom and long legs off’d himself or is it re-activated bc she shot her mom thus re-activating the curse making her soul damned once again? Bc all they have to do is leave the Rubi doll and get out of the house. Bc she says to Lee the doll just needed to get into the house and once that happened the devil takes care of the rest? Bc at the end in carters house without the mom and long legs who would kill Rubi other than Lee once Carter and his wife are dead? Idk I thought I had it figured out the WHOLE movie right up until then and I was like “damn it..”😂
It's my theory that: If we take mom's words as truth, Carter's family has to die for Lee to be free from hell as part of the deal. Lee interrupting the kids death means she's going to hell as Carrie Ann already finished the ritual with her death, and the Carter family was a trap to keep Lee soul in hell's clutches, by keeping the deal unfulfilled.
One of my pet peeves in stories is when followers of Satan are so gung ho about the book of revelation. Because, Bible spoiler alert, revelation doesn't end too great for Satan and his palls. "Oh we actually love and believe all of revelation, except for that one part! The rest is totally rad and going to happen though."
Him looking like Tiny Tim is the point lol. Just like the mystery is supposed to be like Zodiac/Se7en, the way the "devil" influencing others to be evil was like the manga Monster (uses the same quote from the Book of Revlation too), and even the imagery of the main character's mental episodes is extremely similar to the video game Control (she also looks a lot like her) Influences are cool, but when you're just doing the influences but more shallow, it kinda makes the movie pretty hollow imo
I have a feeling this movie is going to do so good that they will be talked into doing a prequel. Because a prequel is the only way that they can get cage back. Unless it’s flashbacks or something, but nobody wants to see that shit.
I'm always left wanting to see the villains' backstory, like Frank Booth in Blue Velvet would've been really interesting and this Long Legs guy would be too but I think their mystery and the fact that they clearly have some childhood trauma inflicted by their parents bc it's referenced by them but not really delved into is part of what makes them so intriguing and unsettling as characters. It's better if this film is a standalone, it lets everyone's imagination create a different horrifying backstory
Literally did not see any trailers, or marketing for this movie. Didn’t even know it existed, went to watch it with a friend, and was able to comprehend the entire entirety of the movie, main plot, subplots, underlying themes and messages. It’s not that complicated bro.
Longlegs… creepy af… really good… very different… comparing it to Silence of the Lambs does it injustice… it is its own thing…the only similarity is a young rookie FBI agent… Nicholas Cage is unrecognizable… haunting ❤️
@@DeathRecon lol………………. This is my theory for the ending. The mother basically made a pact with the devil to allow her child to be a child, but that pact was over once she became an adult. The mother’s role was always to make sure that things went as planned for Nicolas Cage. So when Nicolas Cage killed himself, the mother freed the girl by shooting the curse into oblivion, and when her daughter wakes up, she’s in the basement where longlegs lived during her entire childhood… Then she gets a call which sounds like it’s from Nicolas Cage but that could just be a new curse on her. My theory is that the mother put three bullets into her gun and waited for her arrival at the birthday party, knowing full well she would put two bullets in her old boss and one bullet in her mother‘s head, and thus the new ball inside Ruby’s doll would possess her to carry on the killings from then on maybe even with the help of little Ruby.
When Longlegs (Dale) tells Lee that "You can get started now..." he's referring to Lee's beginning as a serial killer. Taking up his mantle so to speak
what my friends and I don't get is that why did the mom continue to bring the doll to the last girl's house if she already freed Lee from the binding (shooting Young Lee's doll) and Longlegs is already dead. Isn't her whole motive for following Longlegs is to keep Lee safe?
she said that if she didn't do it then she and lee would burn in hellfire or something like that. the deal she made was probably with the devil, not just with longlegs.
After a while it was no longer her mom anymore, it looked like her mom became possessed which explains why the mom told Lee not call her ‘mom’ and charged at her with the knife
Nick Cage was PHENOMENAL in this. I remember hearing he was going to be in it, but I forgot. I remember thinking "this actor is so good, he's practically carrying this movie" (of course the other actors were brilliant, but he stole the show). When my friend pointed out who it is, just, wow.
What makes Longlegs so special, is that the horror experience feels confusing in the best way. The horror that is presented to us is so eerie and scary, we dont have all the answers, and that is what makes this movie amazing. Cage's performance was insane, I cant believe that what was him. For the first time, I felt utter dread when I saw him on screen. That beginning shot got me....😅😅😅
Here is my take on the ending since I haven’t seen anyone connect the dots in this particular order yet, to put it quite simply longlegs knew all along that she would attempt to stop the murders and so did her mother that is why she shot the replica of her in the yard with the metal ball which they said was empty but clearly it housed supernatural energies i.e, the black fumes coming out of it, the reasoning for that happening was purposely done because that was actually the point where the protection was undone not when she shot her mother, this was perfectly executed to ensure that when she attempted to stop the murders, killing her mom in that process, that the demon would be able to take control of her making her the new killer taking over the role from her elderly mother who probably didn’t have much time left anyway. which longlegs also planned for it, this is why you hear the voices while she is pulling the trigger, it’s also why in the final scene longlegs is murmuring hail the devil. I may be wrong but damn sure seems right.
Did anyone else catch in one of the scenes where Lee is tlaking ot her Mom on the phone, you can hear Ruth (her mom) whispering to someone, most likely Longlegs
I’m still waiting for someone to mention why an FBI agent receives evidence (letter), writes on it and doesn’t submit it for evidence. Why does she not call for backup immediately after seeing her mom kill at the end? Why doesn’t she call her partner instead of driving to his house? Perhaps I missed something, but I need a little more to just accept things like those.
She was partially controlled, she had an intuition but could never fully actualize it cause the "doll made her forget" as mentioned by her mom when she was explaining the story to a semi-unconscious Lee. Lee knows there's something off about her given her psychic abilities and she clearly is fighting with the fact that she needs to solve this case but also wants answers. Once she gets her answers towards the end her attention shifts fully to stopping the Devils' ambitions, though I do think there is a lot of ambiguity behind the gun not firing when she was going to shoot the doll.
She had psychic for god sake, and that abilities couldn't even save her, what a waste of potential, she could sense danger but still went ahead alone, such a stupid main character
Im commenting as I'm watching... But I've read twice now that people state Longlegs was trying to escape at the bus stop. I got the impression he was posing as escaping. He would have driven away if he wanted to leave. He planned on them picking him up there
Well, considering his car is parked under the car port of the mother of our main character, and that's a twist that's to come later, I'm sure it was mainly a strategic decision that he be at a bus stop. Otherwise the movie would be over with.
Im still unsure if the revolver was out of ammo or if the rounds just didnt fire. She still should have had 2 to 3 rounds left depending on the type of revolver it was.
I love watching horror movies. So much so that horror movies comfort me when I'm sad or stressed. Because of that, it takes a lot to really SCARE me. I can be fooled by a good jumpscare, but will I have nightmares and problems sleeping after watching? No. THIS movie gave me nightmares and had me sleepless for a few days. It's been so very long since a horror movie was able to do that to me. No real jumpscares, just pure anxiety and eerie visuals and performances that stick with you long after watching. That's real horror to me. Truly the scariest movie I watched this year so far. Absolutely love this film and I need more Nic Cage in horror like this.
----SPOILERS--- My take on the ending is that we are witnessing the whole process begin again. In the opening scene, Long legs chose/knew Lee (even as a child) to be his eventual successor and her mother to be his apprentice. In the ending, Lee has taken Longlegs mantle, with the detectives daughter becoming her eventual successor. As for her apprentice, we, the audience, just took the mother’s role. We witnessed the act and ensured it was done. And we now, in essence, discuss and “spread” it. My other thought is that Lee has possibly been the living embodiment of satan the whole time. As a child, Lee seemed to sense Longlegs arrival to her house. And there are her mother’s numerous references of never having any friends or family come visit. When Longlegs looks at Lee and says, “Hail, satan”, it might not have been just a vocal declaration of his loyalty to death, but a direct salute to Lee, his master, after she told him that his “work was done”. And if I’m not mistaken, take a look at the barn doors (x marks the spot). The insignia on the barn doors (the one that is the actual design of the door; not the little x’s) is the same symbol pictured in the 9 levels of hell book that is shown a few scenes prior - (the symbol under the inverted triangle).
At Drafthouse Im not sure if youre familiar with that theater chain but before the movie started. They showed like a live concert music video with the same symbols from the movies. So I assume long legs was the singer of the band as he was shown to have some pipes on him.
The thing that broke me was the mom entering and leaving the house with the huge trunk. I mean when they canvased the neighborhood I’m sure someone would’ve mentioned that huge detail.
Why would anyone (demon or otherwise) tip Lee off about her partner's daughter's birthday party if Lee was clearly going to try and stop the events from taking place??
Exactly , the whole time if she was under the influence of Satan or whatever why would it lead her to catching long legs and basically stopping the rituals at the end ?
I think the mom called Lee because she wanted her to witness the ritual, I think the mom was influenced by the devil to do this because yes, while they most likely knew Lee would stop it, this is what they wanted. I think there’s a bigger plan still happening. I think Lee was meant to intervene and save the daughter, but the devil wouldn’t let her destroy the doll. Because he still needs control over the daughter, for what? I don’t know. But I see her ritual sorta like the farm girls, Lees mom dropped the doll off while the kid wasn’t there on purpose, she wasn’t meant to die then. I imagine the devil will command the daughter to do something when he needs her to do it. But that’s just my theory
It's sounded like a disheveled Agent Carter...like he was upset cause he knew what was coming and either wanted Lee to help in some way or witness what he believed she was partially responsible for.
When Lee’s mom gave the monologue about her involvement in the murders, she says the possessed doll made Lee forget things and told her “where to look and where not to look”. Earlier, Lee told agent Carter her psychic abilities came from something that felt like a “tap on the shoulder telling her where to look”. I think everything that happened, including the phone call that tipped lee off about the party, was planned by the “man downstairs”. I have no idea what that plan is but this is the kind of movie you’d have to watch multiple times to figure it out.
He wasn’t trying to escape through the bus, he left the house so he wouldn’t be tracked down to the mothers house, that’s why the suitcase was full of notes and all of his writing so it wouldn’t be found at the house
I think it was there to try to show clearly that Satan has basically triumphed over everyone. When Lee kills her mom, she basically breaks the contract her mother made. So not only is her mom damned, but she probably is too. And all the murders were completed. The end scene was almost like satan reaching out of the screen and saying “gotcha” I honestly thought it was a pretty good ending lol
@kel7444 why did her mother shoot the doll. That's the only thing that makes no sense to me. Especially since she was going to keep "the work" going regardless. Why not finish the job and then release her daughter from the memory block?
@@darkraitoast5529 When longlegs died and the mother lived up to her end of the deal, I guess shooting the doll was basically the devil releasing his grip on Lee, because the mother sold her soul for Lee’s protection. But later we come to see this isn’t truly the case, since Lee kills her mother, basically undoing the deal. I believe the killing was supposed to end. The triangle was completed at the end. longlegs was technically dead anyways so there was no one to craft the dolls.
How can someone kill themselves by slamming there head a few times on a table why didn’t Lee stop the agent from killing his wife at the end. Like she knows he’s going to but she just lets him take her into the kitchen and stab her to death. Does the mother take the doll after every kill ? Where do the dolls go after each family slaying? So many questions
@@ElaineClush an officer is supposed to stop crime from happening. Him having a knife is more than enough reason to shoot him. Also why didn’t Lee tell anyone about the letter she received from longlegs
@@MrGlostuber I’m not sure what mentally dead means but Lees job is to protect human life and she just stood there while he stabbed his wife to death. Mentally messed up from the doll or not the wife was still alive and her job is to keep her that way
My interpretation of the ending is that when Lees mom shot her doll, the black smoke inside freed Lee. The only other survivor of the murders/rituals was the girl Lee spoke to in the hospital. Her doll was found but never destroyed, so a piece of the devil was still in that ball and still had control over her. When Longlegs shows up he gives her the command to unalive herself. So based on that, I’d say Lee is safe at the end because she can’t be commanded, she couldn’t shoot the gun (even though she should’ve had the ammo) because the devil was preventing her from destroying the ball in the doll, because if he still has control of the daughter, then she too will be catatonic until given a command by the devil, most likely to commit in order to complete the ritual My ONLY complaint is that it took everyone so long to figure out the “man downstairs” was the devil. Given this is supposed to take place in the 90s, most people lived through the satanic panic of the 80s, so I feel like at least one character would’ve mentioned the devil
I wish we would've seen Longlegs kille someone. He didn't feel all that dangerous. He just felt like a weird dude. Cage was good but the character was really just a weird zany, eccentric type guy
It's not supposed to be a Michael Myers movie, the whole point is that Longlegs doesn't even have to do the killing he just leaves the dolls in the house which is so clever
He was just basically playing himself. Lol. The movie is extremely mid. Good ideas, but they didn't know how to flesh them out. Story was kind of all over the place too along with the extremely slow pace. Still good, but not as great as everyone is saying it is.
@@chairun75 I think the balls contain parts of satans soul. And the soul of the daughter of whatever family longlegs targets. The ball in the dolls head is what whispers to the family. Telling the father to kill. Telling the mother and daughter to be passive. The doll is like the apple of Adam and Eve. And longlegs is the snake that offers it. Lees mom delivers it to the family and has to witness their murders as the ultimate sign of sin and blasphemy. A nun delivering something to annihilate an entire family all to save her own daughter
What a film, I’ll give you that. Though I’d very much like revise the “Scariest Movie of the Decade” into “Best Serial-Killer Horror of this Year” -- Loved the atmosphere, the build up of dread (the feeling stays with you) the cinematography and of course the acting both for Monroe and Nicolas Cage.
Now I understand on what Perkins and Cage meant on their own mothers being reference for Long Legs. -- Overall an honest 8/10 film on my end. Wish it was longer hehe :))
I might be absolutely completely misinterpreting the ending…BUT. I’m choosing to look deeper into that running out of bullets, there’s no way it’s a coincidence, it’s emphasized too much to be just nothing. What I interpret it is, throughout the film the killers of the families murder and suicide while being confused and not in control. What I think happened is Lee is in a trance and the devils making her see what they want her to see. That Carter is trying to murder his family. Long story short, she shoots carter 2 times and he mom once, that’s what we see. 3 bullets left… I believe in reality Lee actually killed carters wife, daughter, and then herself. I left the theater with this interpretation and it absolutely had me satisfied and excited, even if it comes out to be a stretch or “wrong” I’m gonna continue to believe it😭
I'm still trying to figure out how they caught Longlegs. Suddenly they just knew he was their guy. 🤣 I'm going to see it again tomorrow so maybe that piece will get filled in. The movie hits on a subconscious level for sure. But from a narrative standpoint it's sorely lacking. Osgood's ideas are great as his directing. But he needs to accept his limitations and either improve his writing or outsource it someone else. Fincher didn't write Se7en, after all.
I’ve just this minute got home and I hate to even say it but it’s “good” at best, just my opinion of course but the way ppl were talking about it as being terrifying it’s certainly not and it’s not even that unsettling really, obviously it has moment but I envisioned this being the kinda of film that after you watch it you feel grim, like se7en or silence of the lambs or even Nicolas cage 8mm, I know that’s my fault for putting on that expectation but the way people were talking about the disturbing nature and subject matter it really didn’t live up to the hype, still a solid film I’ll watch again but just not to the standard the reviews are saying.
Couldn't have said it better, my feelings exactly. I went into this flick expecting, or at least hoping, to feel scared, or at least somewhat disturbed, n a cpl scenes were a bit disturbing (particularly the one w Kiernan Shipka.) But nothing on the levels of what I was expecting.. I cannot believe how extremely generous the horror critic community has been being to this film thus far. Is it an interesting film? Yes. Scariest film of the decade? Ha, not by a landslide.
I thought it was terrifying but that’s probably because we’re two different people with different lives and experiences, which is valid, scary is in the eye of the beholder
@@FunSizeClips absolutely agree, ones fear are different to the others and like I said I do think it had moment, but when it was compared to silence of the lambs and seven those films were scary because of the atmosphere rather than the actual scrips, they carried this horrible anxious feeling to the viewer and I thought this was going to be that since those two films were the specific comparisons, I still found this scarier than those other simplistic horror films like nun, insidious, but I’d say sinister is still probably the last great horror/unsettling movie.
@@kierangower247I’ve watched a decent bit of horror, but after watching the summary of sinister there was no way I was watching it. Such a terrifying concept
For me I had a good experience watching it but it wasn’t terrifying. The way people talk about it I thought it was the best thing ever but it was ok. My biggest concern was how there’s so many random plot point that never tie together for anything. She has half psychic power but then nothing really elaborate on that? All those time decoding letter didn’t make a difference at all, ultimately it was the date of the murder that matter and the letter was absolutely irrelevant. And they had the whole thing with super natural element at the end which irks me.
I’m sorry I feel like i might be stupid or smth but if lee’s mom was working with longlegs in exchange of keeping lee safe, how come he went after lee and wrote that threatening letter about killing her mom?
Because Lee was literally solving Longleg's case? It's pretty easy to tell that Lee was extremely efficient at solving the mystery and reasoning behind longleg's murders, thats why he sent that letter. The letter if I remember correctly stated something along the lines of if you tell your police department about the clues you've found, I'll kill your mother. He went after Lee because she was solving Longleg's case, so of course hes going to try and kill the person that's going to stop him from succeeding
Why did Lee's mom take the doll to the Camera Farm in the middle of a school day if she was meant to watch the killings in a specific order every time??
@@shawnhilliard I’d have to imagine things would go differently after long legs “death” considering satan is involved perhaps she was possessed unlike earlier when we saw lees mother in shock after watching the murders
I think it was never meant for the psyche ward girl to die at that moment. I think it was always meant for her death to be later on on the 13th to fulfill his algorithm.
Right before the reveal of the mother, I thought the accomplice of LongLegs was Harker. That Longlegs was able to get her in a trance whenever he was ready for the next kill. The "someone of confidence to be allow into the house" and the fact that whenever she heard she was near the dolls she kept seeing evil images, etc. I liked the movie. Very different from the cut and paste action movies we are getting so much nowadays. Left like a through back to good mystery drama movies we used to get.
Okay, so the one thing I walked out of the theatre wondering is why did Longlegs go through all this elaborate scheme - creating these dolls, possessing families, leaving coded notes - if his goal was simply to kill them? Was it just because "Hail Satan" and ooh dolls are spooky? Like, what was the point? Wouldn't it be easier to just... kill the families the good old fashioned way? Seems like he is just adding extra unnecessary steps here. So, I feel like this movie is missing an entire act somewhere. What is the endgame for Longlegs? There's some vague implication that he will live on through the dolls after his death, but that's one throwaway line in the movie and doesn't really establish any clear motive for this ultra elaborate scheme. If he is just a Satanic pysychopath, why not just kill the families. What is the significance of the 14th? Why was he so fixated on killing them on certain dates? What are the metallic spheres and where did he get them from / how were they made? I don't understand this movie and the plot didn't really come full circle for me as far as... why anyone is doing what they are doing in the movie. Longlegs, the mother, Harker... It just doesnt add up to much of anything. The inverted triangle revealing a sequence of dates is intriguing, but it's not really clear why the dates or the "algorithm" he is using is important or matters. Is it a ritual of some sort? And if so, what's meant to happen at the completion of the ritual? Was he trying to summon a demon / the devil, and somehow this doll scheme was required for that purpose? If so, it's not mentioned in the movie. I like some ambiguity in these types of movies and I don't need every question answered, but when the movie is 90% questions, I consider that bad writing. Also, like six jump scares accompanied by super loud audio stings (my personal rule is more than 2 and it's by default a shit horror movie). Big horror movie fan - great atmosphere, cinematography, solid acting, but absolutely nonsensical plot. Probably put this in the "overhyped" category with maybe a 6/10.
1. He kills them on a certain day because it’s part of the ritual to summon the beast. Carter’s family was the last family and then the ritual would’ve been completed. 2. The significance of the 14 was that he kills either 6 days before or after. I’m a little confused at that part too but something about the math with the algorithm that drew out a symbol 3.
The quote from the Book of Revelation, “The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name”. This quote is very important to the storyline because it starts to make sense and connect to the events and is repeated throughout the film. In this quote, it includes the Unholy Trinity which represents the main antagonists of the story including the Dragon, the Beast, and the Beast of the earth. In the movie, Lee reads the book when she draws the triangle. The three sides represent the Unholy trinity and each side has the numbers 666, which is also the Devil’s number in the book. This is why the murders take place 6 days before or after the birthday. The Dragon represents Satan, which is known as the serpent. This is explains why there are flashing images of the serpents throughout the movie. The Beast of the sea(aka the antichrist) resembles Longlegs, and the Beast of the Earth (aka false prophet) represents Lee’s Mother. In the book, the antichrist relies on the false prophet for help which is why we see Lee’s mother send the dolls to the families. Also, from the book, the false prophet is allowed to give breath to the Image of the Beast (the dolls), and that the dolls are able to speak to the familes who would not worship the devil (Longlegs only targets christians). This is the reason why the families become possessed and are killed and why the silver balls are in the doll’s heads. The balls are like corrupted, in the scene where Longlegs breathes into one of the dolls, i think thats how he kills them. His silver balls withholds his breath which contains the antichrist inside of them. Longlegs gives the corrupted dolls to Lee’s mother to deliver to the families and she ensures they die. There really is no explanation for his true motives as he is one mysterious man, but ig since hes some satanic killer, ig hes sort of spreading his ideologies through his murders. It is very ambiguous and theres no answer. It is for everyone’s interpretation and participation for the film which makes it a great movie. The plot of the film was pretty much straightforward, just an FBI agent tracking down a serial killer.
@meatjuice79 This is the best explanation for my questions I've seen so far. It adds a motive for Longlegs that makes sense to me, even though it's insane. Bravo. I read your comment 3 times and I think I have a new outlook on this movie. As an allegory for Revelation(s) or maybe more literally, he is trying to bring about Revelation through this diabolical ceremony. Great work. In my defense, I wish they would have signposted the note which includes that excerpt from Revelation, if that is the entire foundation of the plot, as I only recall it being mentioned very briefly and not really elaborated upon afterwards.
All of the blank doll faces in his workshop (before giving them features) somewhat resemble Longlegs himself, the upturned button nose, the pale complexion, the fixed expression, indicating that he is also doll for a greater being to possess.
I took the ending to mean she was called on to finish the job. She says “come on, let’s go,” to Ruby, and then she hesitates. Not taking her eyes off the doll, and not even moving really.
I loved this movie. I had trouble sleeping last night 🤣 The opening alone really stuck with me. I was nervous the whole time. Some stuff I’m still confused with, but I still loved it.
So much to say, so much to appreciate and Cage’s performance was so haunting I already blocked out plenty of it and only remember how contorted my face was in the theater looking at his 😂 That said, let down soon as the mom’s part was brought in. I feel like they could’ve taken this story to so many places instead of her deranged mom alone being the puppet. It just angered me, from mom trauma+that all of it goes back to her/Longlegs didn’t have more of the focus and backstory built. I felt like his level of insanity needed backstory to elevate it and his type of creepy is one we want to see in the driver’s seat the whole film. To top it off, he offedhimself and that’s the most brutal we saw him. Aaand they let her be alone with him? And blamed her for it when they didn’t restrain him? I was so frustrated. I wanna know the obvious..why did he look like he had a whole face transplant/who was he when younger/what mental issues are at play…the shift to satan and supernatural felt like the easy way. Music posters on the wall wasn't characterization. I hated Lee’s slow passivity so many times, including not being able to save the parents at the end or kill her mom sooner. Left a lot undone throughout, and still I couldn’t sleep last night!
Super interesting! Also how in all of the photos of previous murders, their legs were clearly longer and sticking out of the bloody sheets. I was curious if the possessed all had longer legs? Still trying to wrap my mind around this great film. 🤯
These may be stupid questions but I was really confused by Carrie Ann’s character? Why was she still alive and why was her doll in that barn? And why did she end up killing herself at the same time as Longlegs? Also why was she so quiet for so long before they found the doll? was she in a trance the whole time? I’m very confused by her back story.
The doll was the present that Nicholas cage was talking about during the interview, she had two choices to either keep it or destroy it, and that’s the ending that scares me
I am really disappointed on how I ended up feeling about the film. It always left me wanting more and it was honestly either very predictable and/or non surprising. I think I have to blame the marketing team for being so good but also letting my self believe this is a modern day silence of the lambs or like seven. My expectations for this movie were really high. This movie wasn’t scary, and barley unsettling. Nicolas cage was amazing but we barley got anything from him and I wish they didn’t use so much prosthetic on his face I feel like he would’ve been much scarier if we just saw his regular face with some make up. I feel like a lot of his facial emotions were blocked by the prosthetic too. There are also some things that didn’t make sense to me. That being said I wish they took the idea of long legs and really expanded on it or made it better. For example instead of just using the dolls and having the Mom be in on it. I thought long legs was kinda like Pinocchio’s father/creator where he would kill people and then work on them to turn them into these dolls and extend their limbs to do the killings for him. I think that would’ve been cooler for example. So, pretty sad about this film. Overall, a 6/10. Great cinematography though.
At the end of the movie she tries to shoot the doll 3 times but it clicks three times. Cowboys were called six shooters because they used to carry around revolvers with six bullets (the same gun our hero had). click*6 click*6 click*6
Agreed with comments. The fact she can’t fire at the end tells us the ritual is broken. The real man downstairs is unleashed. It’s time to twist and burn.
Yeah that confused me too. Doesn't make sense to think she was trying to save Lee when she would later try to kill her. Also it doesn't follow the mythos of longlegs. This in itself seems a little flawed. He makes a doll (which seems more voodoo-ish w hair and some kind of "essence" contained inside) which is then delivered to the family and in a relatively short time drives the father's of these families to kill their families then themselves. Why not just possess the father's directly? Plus not all of these families even belonged to a church. Why would they just accept a gift from a curch they don't attend but seemed to know their kids birthday? What would have happened if they didnt accept the gift?And how did Lee get a doll as a kid when she didn't apparently have a father. (That initself had a Rosemary's baby feel to it) I really enjoyed cages performance (especially his "big daddy" yelling tone). I know he's a true fan of the genre. It was a good movie more of a horror movie vibe than so many recent movies claiming to be horror. I just don't think the whole thing was fully conceptualized before filming
What I don’t get is how Carter still had a birthday party for his daughter after knowing about the murders. His daughter’s birthday must have been on the 14th right? Did I miss something. Other than that I loved the movie
I'm still not sure about the movie. I felt it was a bit long, and there were so many technical errors. Like when Lee's partner got shot in the beginning she sought cover right in front of a window. Then during the movie she is carrying a 9mm handgun, but then at the last scene she is carrying a .38 revolver for some reason. Then the fact that she fired that revolver 3 times, and then went to shot the doll only to discover she was out of ammo. Did she not check her weapon prior to leaving her place? So many more technical mistakes. I know it's a movie but come on so many technical plot holes you could drive a semi through them.
Whatever you post, we will watch! Your videos are much appreciated and I love how you go so deep with everything. You are a researcher in a reviewer's soul!
Alright, well, my answer is the reason that she couldn't do it. Besides not half thin a bullet center gun if you count it, she didn't shoot him. All off was again. What? I said earlier. Would you have to read the comment below this one hypnosis? Again as her mind was traitor and all was not. Set to do it because of the hypnosis part still, she was still under the hypnosif. You remember she couldn't remember a bit some pieces of things. She was trying to put bits and pieces of a puzzle back together. That's because part of her mind is still under the hypnosis here and she's vaguely putting the pieces back together and getting her mind clear of that hypnosis has nothing to do with. Anything else about what she saw? Because she wouldn't be an f. BI agent, otherwise, if she couldn't do all that if you remember earlier in the movie, since again we're gonna talk about the hypnosis and everything else she's supposed to have had some psychic ability if you remember she talked about how she took the test and got it right 8 times and failed 8 times that's just A. To me here, I don't think she was 100% psychic. She had some psychic ability but not a 100% psychic ability. She didn't unlock her full potential again. Back to what I was saying the hypnosis. She was made to forget so she was still. On yes, she was still under his control because of the hypnosis.
Watched it last night and putting on my big brain cap , maybe there wasn’t no posssesions after all , maybe it was all hypnotism or the mom was actually doing the killings and staging them as murder-suicides. Lee Harker displays autism spectrum demeanor so maybe when her mom shot the doll the sounds made her pass out since people with autism are often against loud sounds. Even Longlegs seems like a guy who’s just a mental case - and Lee’s mom just helps him out cause she’s lonely why else would she let him stay in their basement and help out with murders if it meant he can stay there since as she puts it no one visits the family. Even Carrie Ann Camera’s family seems Mentally unwell - all I’m saying is what if this is all one big allegory for mental illness.
I see what your saying but she seen the first dude get shot point blank in the head when they were investigating the cookie cutters. She didn’t freeze or tense up her fbi survival instinct kinda kicked in.
Also there’s no mention of this anywhere so I think I was just tweaking but I really thought I heard Longlegs breathing just a bit at the end of the credits, so yeah I think this movie wormed its way into my brain 😂
This movie kinda failed to deliver. there was satanic imagery but if you think about it there really wasn’t anything satanic about it. No rituals. Longlegs didn’t do 💩 but make these dolls and kill himself after. This movie kinda disappointed me
Definetly had satanic influence throughout the whole film wtf lmao. Longlegs himself is a representation of a demon attempting to fullfill a ritual where he targets families that have strong christian faiths and daughters whos birthdays falls on a specific date. The dolls he makes are possesed with esseneced balls that have traces of longlegs inside them and take over the fathers of the household making them kill there families. Its one thing to not like a film, but it makea me wonder if you watched it and if you did how you missed all of that.
Hey yall I use the term "they' as a neutral term a lot when talking about characters. I do this subconsciously I guess to not sound repetitive if I keep saying "he" "she" or the characters name over and over. If its confusing to anyone sorry about that will work on it.
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Don't be afraid to sound repetitive. It makes it clearer to understand.
theres no "they" if the character is male its "he" and if the character is female its "she" didn't u learn this in school?
Its not that she didnt have bullets to shoot the doll, she shot 3 times in the house. The gun failed to discharge when attempting to shoot the doll multiple times... supernatural forces.
Maybe shoot the doll instead first??
@@dotkhambro read his comment again smh
@@Xeebo Read mine too.
@@dotkham bro, that was the purpose of showing us shooting it 3 times and misfiring, when she had only shot it 3 other times, you gripe with realism when it is made blatantly obvious the supernatural forces will not allow for her to kill the doll
@@Xeebodude is dumb for not reading properly but what should be the focus is why she didn’t try to shoot it before the husband killed the wife. He very clearly was going to and she didn’t even try to shoot the doll until after the husband killed the wife, shot him and then shooting her own mom. Why wait until people died b
Let's start with who/what "Longlegs" is. Baal, the demon that once ruled hell, is described as having an ashen look or carrying ash and having a hoarse, peculiar voice. Of note was that his form was inconsistent, having different faces/different heads, but he is depicted as having the body/legs of a spider. In some interpretations, people would sacrifice children to him. He granted wisdom, control over men, and powers such as invisibility. Baal eventually gave up the throne in hell to Satan, taking on the role of prince. It's unclear if he bowed willingly or put up a fight, but he became Satan's subject. So, while Baal had some independence, he would not have the power to harm anything created or protected by Satan. One way to look at this is that Lee's relationship to Satan predates her meeting Longlegs, by way of her mother--why the mother always pushed her to pray, though Lee can't do it because it "scared" her (possessed people or those under demonic influence supposedly cannot recite prayers). So, while Longlegs may have wanted Lee's family in his ritual, he couldn't take her. Notable that he certainly couldn't possess the father. Instead, Longlegs forced/tricked Lee's mother to take part in his plans, a bargain with a demon on top of a bargain with the devil. Likewise, Lee's psychic powers could be a remnant of Satan--unclear if she was his child, but that would explain a lot.
"Evil vs Evil" is a theme that goes back to The Exorcist and, of course, into thousands of years of mythology before that: some evil spirits feud with or are subjugated by others. Humans sometimes hope to play them against each other. Though in regards to demonology, there is a lot of order and hierarchy, almost a civility to how the realm operates.
This helps put some context to Longleg's comments about being a "friend of a friend" and talking about the "man downstairs" and the very loaded statement about "we" learning she wanted to go into law enforcement (possibly talking about him, mom, And Satan). It also frames the Baphomet looking demon as being a separate entity, simply watching Lee from afar. The Longlegs himself is likely a possessed human. It's unknown how he fell into his state, but some of his quirks may be related; he listened to rock music, kept/drew symbols, and crafted dolls (which can be related to dark magic).
What we physically see is the end result of long-term possession, a shell of a man, corrupted and rotten. Though extremely powerful, hence his ability to craft mind-controlling artifacts and get the fathers to kill their families. It's hinted that he's been going into the hardware store for years (for supplies) and that family has seen his decline--not explicitly shown but we can imagine they were quick to report him once the FBI put out his image. It would also explain why Longlegs wanted out of the physical body once he thought his work was done; the "hail Satan" is not just a farewell; it is the demon committing his end to Satan, giving him glory, and returning to his service.
Personally I haven't looked at any of the website or trailers, though some of those themes may resonate with anyone that digs in some more.
nice!!
How did you interpret the end? Why she’s just staring at the doll and not leaving then the movie ends? Is it because she’s now mind controlled and gonna finish the kid off and do long legs work next?
@@Zalzebul I would guess no. I see more of her recognizing what's happened and who she might be, that there're worse forces out there. Though, her being free of Longlegs' influence would not free her from Satan. If indeed her mother formed a pact with Satan or she is one of his offspring, Baal's "games" are probably small in comparison to what Satan would want with her. Baal already showed patience by waiting years before taking the previous survivor, keeping her in his dark place. If the kid is that important to Baal, he'll come back to get her or wait for her suicide. Baal was only ever able to exert his will over Lee with the threat of doing harm to her mother via the letter--not exactly magical, he had to resort to reason & trickery. This was with his doll artifact intact. I'd say Lee's immunity to him, in particular, is even stronger at the end of the movie.
@@SRQBID thanks for the input. Who was it that called Lee on the phone at the end? I couldn’t make out the voice. Also did lees mom brain wash the family at the end with the doll? I was surprised the mom knew where the family lived
@@SRQBIDyou're over thinking this. I think you make a lot of good points, but you're over thinking it. I think you need to factor in mind control and hypnosis and the techniques that are clearly shown in the movie. Also, Lee is absolutely not more resilient or resistant to the influence of the doll at the end. She was absolutely caught in the doll's power. She goes to shoot the doll, but the chamber is empty. she tries again and it's still empty. Then, without moving a single muscle or looking away she says "Okay, let's go Ruby." And then she still remains transfixed by the puppet even after saying this. Even having said "Let's go" she doesn't make a shift or motion that would indicate she is free to leave of her own volition. If she was not in the dolls control she would have either smashed it physically when the gun didn't shoot, or she would have been shown actually moving in a way that indicates that she is able to walk away. We don't see that. The last time we see her she is frozen, looking directly at the doll. It got her bruv. Hate to say.
Majority of people watching horror films should know the labeling they do of " scariest movie" is just marketing. Feel people get so wrapped up in wanting to be terrified they dismiss the movie as horrible because it didnt hit the fear factor for them.
You can watch a movie in the horror category that is still a great film. This movie is well written, great cinemetography, and if you watch it as a dark supernarural thriller you will appreciate the film more.
in future, they should do their marketing like the korean shop around the corner from me. I always tell the cook not quite so spicy please, and he says no, I make it very light, and then the food is as spicy as hell and burns twice. But because it's so good, I always eat there
Bingo!!
I agree completely. One of my all time favorites is a gem called Frailty. I highly recommend it.
Well written? Seemed something straight outta AI
Well written? This movie is filled with plot holes so glaring it would flip a 18 wheeler. So a serial killer says to an FBI agent "ask your mommy" and you think the FBI wouldn't take the mom in for questioning? The entire 3rd act is nonsensical garbage.
The ending to me was like “the man downstairs” coming upstairs to get Lee. It sounded like the biggest, evil footsteps. Lee broke off her protection from him by killing her mother
felt like she now has to fill in her mom's place to protect ruby. So the hellish loop continues
You know what I realized after just watching it. I think that there’s so much reference to the man downstairs because he was living underneath their house her whole life after that. Another thing is before she goes to the interrogation she asks where is he to the other agent and she says he’s downstairs right under your feet. Crazy foreshadowing of the ending
To me I think Lee’s doll is the only one that gets destroyed, the black smoke out of the doll I think is the metal ball broken, so I like to think she’s safe, however I don’t think the daughter at the end is. Her doll isn’t destroyed and so I think she’ll be catatonic just like the other little girl is, until something wakes her up, I really don’t know what would happen next but I believe Lee is safe but idk about the daughter
@@gnpvermillion9747when Longlegs was referencing his friend as being “the man downstairs” I was thinking of the devil
@@jennac1444 yea me too. There’s a lot to dissect with this movie. There could be so many things that are uncovered after multiple viewings
Something I haven't seen anyone mention as to "how he did it"... Did no one else notice that the coroner who removed the metal ball from the Carrie Anne doll said that he thought he was hearing his ex-wife's name from the ball?
The dolls themselves aren't necessarily enchanted, but the balls are, the voice of whatever demon affects adult men.
Also, Lee's birthday is, I believe, the year before his first acknowledged victims at the camera family farm.
Lee didn't have a father figure to manipulate in any way, not through a cult or psychopathic manipulation, or magic. He had to go in and do it himself. He would have left evidence, so it was also beneficial for him to have an accomplice. For that specific situation, 'Daddy' Long Legs is a father figure for Lee, which she didn't remember...
She's also the one that got away for him and he kept tabs on her.
He said it was making him want to kill her.
Loved the foreshadowing of Carie Anne telling Lee that she’s been to the Camera farm before. Or at least someone who looks like her has (ie: Lee’s mother).
They were classmates possibly
How did the cop not realize his daughter's birthday was also on the 14th???
I think it has to do with the fact that he’s not very present in his family life. He consistently is drunk, doesn’t call home and seems like the job is taking a toll on him.
He could’ve easily just forgot!
Literally like he clearly cares about his daughter enough to not wanting to know the age of the child victims. So SURELY at one point he would go “hmmm when is my daughters birthday” even just as a passing thought
I think he actually did. Because when Harker mentioned the dates to him, he sat back in his chair and shook his head like he was a little worried. But then he ultimately went into denial mode.
@@robertnewett5932Exactly
Maybe they already had the doll and he was already possessed or whatever the hell that was at the end . .
So what helps a ton in understanding this movie is viewing it knowing Longlegs is a puppet/doll himself, who is possessed by Satan/baal or what have you. From this perspective so much more makes sense, longlegs is a body that satan posses, he isn't in it at all times, which is why he said "I am wearing my longlegs today", this implies different forms, or the scene when longlegs is just sitting lifeless and motionless in the basement, he isn't actively possessed at that time. It also explains how he creates something supernatural like the mind controlling dolls, it is not longlegs making those dolls it is satan or whatever. It also explains longlegs' body being almost corpse like and deformed. Also explains how longlegs knows things about people that he shouldn't, or the future, or how he looks at people through the TV as they play back their interview with him. It explains why longlegs bashes his own head in, because that body is no longer useful to the demon as it is caputured now, so it destroys it, and moves to the next host, Lee's mother. And so on...So the whole time longlegs is a doll posses by a demon the entire time.
Love this comment ! Could Longlegs be a doll project from the fbi?
Lee at the end of the film is rocking a revolver, which usually carry six rounds in its cylinder. Lee shoots 2 people and when she turns the gun on the doll, the thing doesn't go off... I think thats something that we might be missing or looking to deep into. For the majority of the film, she's rocking a 9mm of some sort, with the exception of this last scene. Did anyone else catch that?
Yea I noticed but also it’s very easy to misfire a revolver in real life
@@anthonygray6570 It very could well been a mechanical error, but I think it kinda signifies the complete formation of the second triangle they were talking about, but I'm not sure how.... Like I said...Maybe we're looking too deep into it.
@@Sodapopper100 she ain’t have that dawg in her, as soon as she got to her bosses house she should’ve smoked the doll and her mom
Well her mom probably took the 9mm from Lee after she passed out, but she maybe kept a backup revolver either on her or in the car (where her FBI colleague was taken out)
It seems like a demonic thing that causes the pistol - which was working fine - to malfunction
LOVED this movie! I can't wait to see it, again. The one part that I found confusing was the part when Longlegs breaks into her home to leave her the birthday card. She saw a strange man in her home, checked out like 2 or 3 rooms with her gun drawn, noticed the envelope on her desk....and had a seat? She didn't seem to care very much about the strange man in her home. Did I miss something?
and i don’t remember her mentioning anything about the card to the FBI
She can't remember anything related to longlegs until her doll got destroyed. That's why she didn't remember the memories of him and her mom until afterwards.
I think a small sliver of her knew subconsciously she was protected by the ritual. Just a guess. I think that is where the psychic abilities originate as well.
@@hueysopranoI thought because she decoded it and it said something like her mom would die I forgot what it said though.
Yeah that completely threw me too. She is an FBI agent, she sees someone walk casually through her house clear as day. She proceeds to clear just a few rooms then disregards the invader might be (probably is) still inside the home.
I give this movie the benefit of the doubt and think this scene was done this way intentionally, to show that Harker is really... off in a lot of ways and just different and incomprehensible. She doesn't really process information the same way and I say this meaning no offense, carries herself throughout her interactions as if she has a mental or behavioral disability or illness.
It's later made clear Harker's bizarre, almost non-human behavior is probably a result of being manipulated by a supernatural force.
I took the ending as insinuating that the devil will always exist, and that’s why she couldn’t shoot the doll. The devil will always exist, but he can be stopped as long as someone stops the rituals to summon him from underneath. Now that the Mum and Longlegs have been killed, no one will be doing his bidding and murdering people as ritual sacrifice.
That makes so much sense
I love that explanation, thank you. BUT I have a feeling the doll not being destroyed is leading to a sequel which chances are, will stink lol, but I'd still watch it.
This is the best explanation.
The revolver not firing (which rarely ever happens) was signifying how the evil in the world will still persist but for now, temporarily for Lee, it’s over. I didn’t get a sense of dread in her face at the end. I got more of a sigh of relief yet, trepidation.
@@BenTramer-jd6ik weariness, acceptance
@@Ahmadazak_ I think you're half right. I think it's more of a Pandora's box situation. It cannot be stopped. Longlegs fucked with shit that he shouldn't have and now this form of unstoppable evil will always be there, by trauma or similar acts or with Harker literally. Evil cannot be contained.
the black mist in the silver ball represents the devil inside of everyone. If I remember it was referenced as being in everyone by Nicolas Cages character
I had no idea this film would turn out to be a supernatural horror, i thought it was just going to be like a silence of the lambs/zodiac killer murder mystery kind of film. Also, when Lee was trying to piece it all together by saying "theyre letting someone they trust into their homes probably a child," made you think it was the girl at the psychiatric ward, right? But it was really the mother, nice misdirection by the writer.
SPOILER COMMENT was the black ball inside the doll's head putting them into a trance? I thought the reason why she didn't shoot the doll at the end is because she wanted the girl to remain in a trance as if she shot the doll, the realisation of her parents murder would be too much for her.
I considered this as well.
She couldn’t shoot it because her gun wouldn’t fire, she used 3 bullets but that gun holds 6, imo, given the supernatural context, the devil prevented her from destroying the doll, so that the daughter (who would be catatonic like the mental hospital girl) can eventually be awoke by the devil and he can have her commit, finishing the ritual
@@FunSizeClips o I see, tanx for info
@@FunSizeClips& it was a silver ball, not black
@@Message1inthesame I’m aware
"It's not Revelations...its Revelation..no s" 😂
i almost stood up and applauded at that line 😂
“It’s singular”
Wow that's a revelation in it's self.
The Mandela Effect lol
NO ONE SHOULD EVER GET THIS WRONG AGAIN LOL
I just want to mention a few things i haven't seen any channels speak on.
There was no birthday party. No friends, no family. The house was clean. No signs of a party. Oh but lee was late. The cake wasnt cut yet. It was always for Lee. The carter family especially the mother act strange when we meet them. Carter also pushes Lee around in the movie. Makes her go out to drink, meet his fam, speak to her mother etc. Carter was alresdy "possessed" in a way.
Lee is the only victim who didnt have a father. All the families had a father to carry out the murders. She would be the only one longlegs would have to physically murder. So was she never in danger? Was it just all a trick to gain accsses to her mother?
The goat figure is guiding lee. Every discovery she makes its around. The tap on her shoulder as she puts. It wanted her to sovle the case. To find long legs. Lets her see what it wants her to see. So if its all a ritual for the devil why did the devil sabatoge it with lee? Was it all just a game?
Yea im probably reading to much into it. Idk.
My interest peaked when they were examining the doll and the ball, but was disappointed they didn't go more into that aspect and didn't show us more on how that worked as it was the creepiest thing to me.
Maybe I'm mistaken but didn't similar vibrational sounds play throughout the film? If so, I feel that was the aim it was going for as it infects the atmosphere.
@@RoninAM it's a MacGuffin.
Once you get over the amazing tone and feel of the movie, it's pretty apparent how bad and thin the writing was.
It's just "evil magic". That's the answer. Longlegs performed evil magic rituals and it magically put victims souls in the ball with some of his soul and then the devil had control or influence over them.
Evil magic.
It's honestly as simple as it looks, but that is also why a lot of people hate "elevated" horror, it does leave a lot of things unanswered. Yet at the same time, that is the very same reason why people keep talking about those movies and making them more relevant than any other genre in horror
@@abachnivthis!🤌🏾 kinda my main issue with the film but just going with it being a mcguffin helped take me annoyance way lol
Really liked this movie. Gave me my Zodiac fix. It’s not a typical mainstream horror movie so I can understand why some people don’t like it. It’s a double edge sword. I appreciate that it’s not your typical jump scare fest with something crazy happening every 3 minutes, but at the same time it wouldn’t hurt if it had some
So... I counted exactly six really loud jump scares in this movie (accompanied by super loud audio stings), with one happening in the first 120 seconds of the movie. So I'm not sure we watched the same thing.
For what it's worth, I think jump scares are a pretty cheap way to "startle" the audience but not actually create any meaningful horror. My rule of thumb is if any more than two jump scares in a horror movie, it's garbage.
This had six. Which is a lot for any horror movie and I remember actually becoming annoyed at it.
@@stephensloniker1761 that’s a weird way to judge a movie. There’s nothing wrong with jump scares as long as they are earned. The only issue is cheap jump scares that are random that are just there for the sake to startle you
@@EthanRom
Yeah I get you. It's just a general rule for me. My reasoning is, I could scare you (or vice versa you could scare me) at any given time of the day by playing a super loud noise and displaying a jarring image. So in the horror realm, I always felt jump scares were always "cheap" and unearned, by definition.
Once you see it, you can't unsee it. Pay attention how many jump scares are in the next horror movie you watch and keep track. If it's more than one or two, it means the director is relying on cheap tricks that play on basic human biology (loud noises), rather than authentic tension, atmosphere, dread, and world-building. And I can almost guarantee a "jump scare" movie lacks in one or more of these categories. They are most prolific in low brow slasher and creature feature type horror movies.
I'll admit though, it's a matter of preference. By way of example, one of my favorite movies, The Exorcist, has maybe one or arguable two jump scares throughout. The movie Se7en (another favorite) has one. The Witch has only one I believe. Blair Witch... zero.
There are exceptions though. My all time favorite movie, The Thing, has four. So it's not a hard rule but a pretty solid general guideline.
Any way you cut it, six jump scares in this movie is darn near a record based on my limited memory, and I watch a lot of horror movies.
@@stephensloniker1761 Pretty sure there’s plenty more in the Exorcist. There’s at least 7+ and that’s supposedly the “greatest horror movie” of all time. Anyways who am I to knock on your preference. Everybody is different. I personally sometimes enjoy a good jump scare if it relates to the story and moves it forward and isn’t like what you just a loud noise for the sake of a scare. There are also things like “silent” jump scares where there is a reveal usually a body or something horrifying
@@EthanRom
That's really interesting. I'm not an authority on the subject or anything, but a jump scare (for me) requires a loud, abrupt audio sting. Maybe that's why you say 7 and I say 2. There's actually a website that catalogues jump scares in all mainstream horror movies if you can believe it, and it puts The Exorcist closer to your number. But it has a very wide definition of a jump scare.
Anyways, I guess it's a moot point. But I will say while the general wisdom is jump scares are cheap and unearned among horror snobs, they - can - be valuable to elevate tension. I think we can agree it's when they are used too much is when it is an issue. How much is too much is up to preference. For me, you get two. For you, probably a higher number.
I feel like we're missing something here. At one point her mom says that if they stop doing what they're doing their souls will be condemned to hell for eternity. If that's the case then when lee shot her mother she was making a choice to save the girl at the cost of her own Immortal soul. That's what made the end for me so horrifying. I think that as great as this movie is Perkins made a mistake by not just ending the film on her face but having that last Nick Cage outburst. I would have cut that.
The dread I felt when the interrogation began was intense because I had guessed from the trailer he (or someone) would kill themself or seriously injur themselves in front of her because of they way she was backed against the wall and traumatized when the other agents rush in. My mind was reeling on how it would happen if he was handcuffed and had no weapon. Add to that, my unease with his voice because he sounded like HIM from the Powerpuff girls with his high echoey voice and appearance, so spooky! I saw it twice tonight.
Thank you for your dedication to covering this every step of the way. I was ultra creeped out by the first showing I went to.
this is why i hate trailers.
Lee said that Dolls in certain cultures hold dark energy within them, so obviously, long legs had been Hexing them with magic.
Longlegs had nothing to do with Lee becoming an FBI agent, he even said at one point that "they" (presuming he and the mother) laughed when Lee decided to join the FBI.
I actually inferred the opposite, that the "they" he refers to was him and Harker. That they spoke at length about it at some point (when Harker was 20), implying he directly influenced her to join the FBI, reinforcing the other plot points in which it is shown Longlegs has been guiding Harker throughout (and long before) the events of the movie.
What he says next is even more telling, something along the lines of "I laughed so much, but you never laughed" (paraphrasing), indicating the conversation about her career did occur between Longlegs and Harker. I distinctly remember hearing the word "you" when he said that, so he definitely wasn't referring to her mother.
Which is a pretty depressing thought, that the social anxiety and how desperately out of place Harker looks in every scene is because she never really wanted to be in the FBI, she was influenced to do it.
@@stephensloniker1761it could make sense I remember the chief asking harker why she joined and she explicitly saying “ I don’t know “ I understand it could be a simple response but in a movie like this an I don’t know could mean she was guided this whole time
@@stephensloniker1761 I'll take your word for it. I'd have to see it again to remember the entire run of the conversation.
@@TheMorgueBasicSlasherFan
I missed that line in the movie. For all the plot holes in the story, I think they did do a good job of telegraphing she was being controlled to some degree. Whether it was her odd, almost inhuman responses to basic questions, how nervous and awkward she appeared in every scene, and the weird stilt in how she talks (almost like she is hiding a southern accent).
Without meaning to offend, Harker honestly came off as sort of mentally handicapped and / or deranged, (although extremely book smart) and not much of what she did tracks with what a normal person would do in each situation she is presented.
I think the writers were hoping we would pick up on the clues they left, like Harker's completely bonkers decision to stop searching the house after looking through two rooms, when she clearly saw someone inside moments prior. Like, in what world? Then he floor CREAKS behind her as she reads the letter and she seems entirely unbothered and continues on, oblivious.
Great catch though, thanks for sharing.
@@mollyt1296
I'll admit I could be wrong. Nick Cage's Tiny Tim voice was kinda tough to parse through exactly what he was saying at some points. One because his high inflection and two, because most of what he said was jibberish.
I think (myself included) had a preconceived notion about how the movie was going to go and though it may have failed THAT expectation (which is no one’s fault but our own) I actually loved the final product. I’m seeing it again tomorrow but I like seeing everyone’s perspectives of not only the movie but the larger themes presented.
The murders seem to always come in 3. Usually that involves the mother, father and daughter. In the case of the Camera family, the local priest happened to be there and was killed as a result. This allowed Kari Ann to escape death, although she was left in a catatonic state as a result of the doll being buried, instead of being returned to Longlegs. In Carter’s home, Carter, his wife and Ruth were killed, filling the quota with Ruby escaping death. With Longlegs and Ruth being killed, there is no one left to return the Ruby doll but Lee, and Lee’s connection to Longlegs was severed with the destruction of her doll. Longlegs’ final connection now exists through Lee with Ruby and her doll. Now the choice is left to Harker to either spare Ruby, just as she was spared as a child, and continue Longlegs’ work, or to leave Ruby in her catatonic state as we see her in the final scene.
When Carter and Harker are leaving the forensics lab that contained the Kari Ann Camera doll and orb, Carter asks the tech to “open up the orb”, the tech responds that he can but it’s hollow. We find out that Kari Ann killed herself the next day, which would coincide with the tech “opening up” the orb. When Ruth destroyed the Lee doll’s orb, Lee was knocked unconscious and woke up in Longlegs’ room. I believe she is now in the service of “the man downstairs”, fulfilling Longlegs’ role. The connection with Ruby doll is through her, and that’s why she can’t destroy it herself.
But that’s just a theory…a film theor….nah I can’t do that lol
I wanted to like it but it just took a bunch of fun tropes and completely failed to tie them together. There was no point to the decoding the cryptic letters. Why would Longlegs even leave letters? They started with a cool psychic agent and even had psychic tests and a discussion of results. This never came back up except explaining why she had the powers (but the reasoning was very specific to her. It originally seemed like a power some people had, there were tests for it, it was being discussed casually). How were the dolls from all the other murders never found? Did the mom go back to move the dolls? They talked about no evidence of entry, wouldn't there be evidence of the mom entering?
It would be more believable if the doll needed to be in the house for a long time but it was shown to work pretty instantly at the kids birthday. Why would the kid have a birthday party and only invite her dad's coworker? The only code that was "cracked" was the triangle with the dates which would only work if you laid out the calendar in an arbitrary way. Oh and 2 people have their birthday on the 14th and never thought it was worth mentioning? Also still no relevance given to the 14th. The horrible line of "I was a nurse for 8 years, now I kill families". No significance of her being a nurse which would have been a much better way to get close to families / give this a timeline.
Why did the mom keep murdering after Longlegs was dead / the doll was broken and demonic tie severed? Why do you need the dolls in the first place? They mentioned Voodoo, but the kids were never controlled, it was always the father. Just seems like you need the stone to be inside a house for a short period of time. I get the childhood trauma, fuzzy memory, that's a common movie trope. But did she spend her whole childhood never being curious about the basement? That could have been a good thing to mention. Also her prayers were mentioned 3 times, even with a reply of her saying they always scared her. Great opportunity for a reveal that the prayers were satanic and that the mom was a satanist instead of just dropping the prayers, the mom's motive being it was a deal she made to save her kid's life
It just felt like, hrm, what makes a good thriller? Serial killer, cursed dolls, psychic powers, satan, cryptic codes. And just threw them all together without working to make them fit together / have the cleverness to make these elements payoff
Spot on! Literally nothing adds up or makes any sense. Also why is he called long legs? It’s just a bunch of random things that amount to nothing lol.
And why mrs.Camera acting so strange?
How the hell longlegs get caught at a bus stop after all these years?
@@thatonegeeksite5251 longlegs is the name of Satan. Daddy Longlegs because he puts the dads in a trance to kill their family
@@mordumbladezz5836he got caught because Lee finally had a photo on them and the other detective said “are you sure you want to go on a manhunt based on this”. They probably went door to door in the area and everyone knows him as the creepy man. Someone probably told the police they see him at the bus stop right now is my assumption
Yeah the biggest irk for me is that there was no point to the psychic plot line or even decoding the letter. I don’t even understand it .
The black smoke essence inside the orb comes out of Lee's head before she passes out. Who called Lee to tell her shes late for Rubies birthday? I found it interesting Lee's father was never mentioned or shown. I got so many questions
Demon called. Lol
Devil called I guess
I think Longlegs is her REAL Daddy. Daddy Longlegs.
@@mattphat23 maybe more of a father figure then her actual dad
@@mattphat23 Damn, that's a great catch. It's almost too obvious.
I assumed the end meant that the doll basically consumed Lee since she disrupted the cycle by killing her mother, so now Lee would end up having to kill the kid and then either herself as well, or for her to then have to carry out the role of her mother
That part confused me a bit. So do you think the curse is broken bc she killed her mom and long legs off’d himself or is it re-activated bc she shot her mom thus re-activating the curse making her soul damned once again? Bc all they have to do is leave the Rubi doll and get out of the house. Bc she says to Lee the doll just needed to get into the house and once that happened the devil takes care of the rest? Bc at the end in carters house without the mom and long legs who would kill Rubi other than Lee once Carter and his wife are dead? Idk I thought I had it figured out the WHOLE movie right up until then and I was like “damn it..”😂
@@Cee_B hahahah who knows. I think it needs a rewatch!
It's my theory that: If we take mom's words as truth, Carter's family has to die for Lee to be free from hell as part of the deal. Lee interrupting the kids death means she's going to hell as Carrie Ann already finished the ritual with her death, and the Carter family was a trap to keep Lee soul in hell's clutches, by keeping the deal unfulfilled.
@@itbesilly4544 I like that.
The doll didn't consume Lee at all. She tried to shoot it three times but had run out of bullets.
One of my pet peeves in stories is when followers of Satan are so gung ho about the book of revelation. Because, Bible spoiler alert, revelation doesn't end too great for Satan and his palls.
"Oh we actually love and believe all of revelation, except for that one part! The rest is totally rad and going to happen though."
Because the ending can be changed.
And is.
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Nice cage sounded like that tiny Tim guy that played the little ukulele lmao
Thats the inspiration. Glad you paid attention.
Tiptoe through the tulips. LOL
@@kellyaustin7487 I seem him say his crazy mom was the inspiration, never heard this one but yea it was hilarious.
Even during the trailers, he was the first thing that came to mind. That and the Bogdanoff twins
Him looking like Tiny Tim is the point lol. Just like the mystery is supposed to be like Zodiac/Se7en, the way the "devil" influencing others to be evil was like the manga Monster (uses the same quote from the Book of Revlation too), and even the imagery of the main character's mental episodes is extremely similar to the video game Control (she also looks a lot like her)
Influences are cool, but when you're just doing the influences but more shallow, it kinda makes the movie pretty hollow imo
I want to see a prequel movie about Longlegs from his childhood til now
I have a feeling this movie is going to do so good that they will be talked into doing a prequel. Because a prequel is the only way that they can get cage back. Unless it’s flashbacks or something, but nobody wants to see that shit.
@@stephenandrew6087 if it’s done right it’ll be really interesting to see
I'm always left wanting to see the villains' backstory, like Frank Booth in Blue Velvet would've been really interesting and this Long Legs guy would be too but I think their mystery and the fact that they clearly have some childhood trauma inflicted by their parents bc it's referenced by them but not really delved into is part of what makes them so intriguing and unsettling as characters. It's better if this film is a standalone, it lets everyone's imagination create a different horrifying backstory
Yeah what was long legs motive for all this? How did he start
@@Bluhbluh566 that’s what actually makes the movie really good to me
So Blair Underwood didn’t realize his daughter’s birthday was on the 14th?
Literally did not see any trailers, or marketing for this movie. Didn’t even know it existed, went to watch it with a friend, and was able to comprehend the entire entirety of the movie, main plot, subplots, underlying themes and messages. It’s not that complicated bro.
You should become a member of Mensa
As soon as I was done with the film, I went out and booked another ticket for the next show, same day.
Wait so you paid for another ticket? You know once you’re inside you can kinda just walk into the next theater (assuming it’s not sold out)
@@jimmartin2548 I want the studio to have my money
@@karachiarcade2285Yes cinemas are dying. They need the money 😂
That’s pretty lame
@@karachiarcade2285weak consumer mindset for a 5/10 movie.
Longlegs… creepy af… really good… very different… comparing it to Silence of the Lambs does it injustice… it is its own thing…the only similarity is a young rookie FBI agent… Nicholas Cage is unrecognizable… haunting ❤️
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This is my theory for the ending. The mother basically made a pact with the devil to allow her child to be a child, but that pact was over once she became an adult. The mother’s role was always to make sure that things went as planned for Nicolas Cage. So when Nicolas Cage killed himself, the mother freed the girl by shooting the curse into oblivion, and when her daughter wakes up, she’s in the basement where longlegs lived during her entire childhood… Then she gets a call which sounds like it’s from Nicolas Cage but that could just be a new curse on her. My theory is that the mother put three bullets into her gun and waited for her arrival at the birthday party, knowing full well she would put two bullets in her old boss and one bullet in her mother‘s head, and thus the new ball inside Ruby’s doll would possess her to carry on the killings from then on maybe even with the help of little Ruby.
When Longlegs (Dale) tells Lee that "You can get started now..." he's referring to Lee's beginning as a serial killer. Taking up his mantle so to speak
what my friends and I don't get is that why did the mom continue to bring the doll to the last girl's house if she already freed Lee from the binding (shooting Young Lee's doll) and Longlegs is already dead. Isn't her whole motive for following Longlegs is to keep Lee safe?
she said that if she didn't do it then she and lee would burn in hellfire or something like that. the deal she made was probably with the devil, not just with longlegs.
After a while it was no longer her mom anymore, it looked like her mom became possessed which explains why the mom told Lee not call her ‘mom’ and charged at her with the knife
Nick Cage was PHENOMENAL in this. I remember hearing he was going to be in it, but I forgot. I remember thinking "this actor is so good, he's practically carrying this movie" (of course the other actors were brilliant, but he stole the show). When my friend pointed out who it is, just, wow.
What makes Longlegs so special, is that the horror experience feels confusing in the best way. The horror that is presented to us is so eerie and scary, we dont have all the answers, and that is what makes this movie amazing.
Cage's performance was insane, I cant believe that what was him. For the first time, I felt utter dread when I saw him on screen. That beginning shot got me....😅😅😅
Here is my take on the ending since I haven’t seen anyone connect the dots in this particular order yet, to put it quite simply longlegs knew all along that she would attempt to stop the murders and so did her mother that is why she shot the replica of her in the yard with the metal ball which they said was empty but clearly it housed supernatural energies i.e, the black fumes coming out of it, the reasoning for that happening was purposely done because that was actually the point where the protection was undone not when she shot her mother, this was perfectly executed to ensure that when she attempted to stop the murders, killing her mom in that process, that the demon would be able to take control of her making her the new killer taking over the role from her elderly mother who probably didn’t have much time left anyway. which longlegs also planned for it, this is why you hear the voices while she is pulling the trigger, it’s also why in the final scene longlegs is murmuring hail the devil. I may be wrong but damn sure seems right.
This is exactly what I thought as well after being told that Carrie Ann jumped out the window after her doll was dismantled.
Did anyone else catch in one of the scenes where Lee is tlaking ot her Mom on the phone, you can hear Ruth (her mom) whispering to someone, most likely Longlegs
I’m still waiting for someone to mention why an FBI agent receives evidence (letter), writes on it and doesn’t submit it for evidence. Why does she not call for backup immediately after seeing her mom kill at the end? Why doesn’t she call her partner instead of driving to his house? Perhaps I missed something, but I need a little more to just accept things like those.
Why didn’t the fbi bring more agents to apprehend or arrest the mother? lol a lot of plotholes
The doll was controlling her memory so she couldn't remember things related to longlegs until her doll got her head destroyed
She was partially controlled, she had an intuition but could never fully actualize it cause the "doll made her forget" as mentioned by her mom when she was explaining the story to a semi-unconscious Lee.
Lee knows there's something off about her given her psychic abilities and she clearly is fighting with the fact that she needs to solve this case but also wants answers. Once she gets her answers towards the end her attention shifts fully to stopping the Devils' ambitions, though I do think there is a lot of ambiguity behind the gun not firing when she was going to shoot the doll.
She had psychic for god sake, and that abilities couldn't even save her, what a waste of potential, she could sense danger but still went ahead alone, such a stupid main character
@@movies_are_life but she passed the fbi test lol
Im commenting as I'm watching... But I've read twice now that people state Longlegs was trying to escape at the bus stop. I got the impression he was posing as escaping. He would have driven away if he wanted to leave. He planned on them picking him up there
Well, considering his car is parked under the car port of the mother of our main character, and that's a twist that's to come later, I'm sure it was mainly a strategic decision that he be at a bus stop. Otherwise the movie would be over with.
He wanted to see Lee one last time
Im still unsure if the revolver was out of ammo or if the rounds just didnt fire. She still should have had 2 to 3 rounds left depending on the type of revolver it was.
Considering she only used 3 I believe the gun refused to fire due to supernatural shit
it didn't fire. supernatural forces stopped it cuz yes, it still had bullets.
I love watching horror movies. So much so that horror movies comfort me when I'm sad or stressed. Because of that, it takes a lot to really SCARE me. I can be fooled by a good jumpscare, but will I have nightmares and problems sleeping after watching? No.
THIS movie gave me nightmares and had me sleepless for a few days. It's been so very long since a horror movie was able to do that to me. No real jumpscares, just pure anxiety and eerie visuals and performances that stick with you long after watching. That's real horror to me. Truly the scariest movie I watched this year so far. Absolutely love this film and I need more Nic Cage in horror like this.
Lee wanted to be an actress when she was little. I think that changed as soon as Longlegs began influencing her and her mother.
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My take on the ending is that we are witnessing the whole process begin again.
In the opening scene, Long legs chose/knew Lee (even as a child) to be his eventual successor and her mother to be his apprentice.
In the ending, Lee has taken Longlegs mantle, with the detectives daughter becoming her eventual successor.
As for her apprentice, we, the audience, just took the mother’s role. We witnessed the act and ensured it was done. And we now, in essence, discuss and “spread” it.
My other thought is that Lee has possibly been the living embodiment of satan the whole time.
As a child, Lee seemed to sense Longlegs arrival to her house.
And there are her mother’s numerous references of never having any friends or family come visit.
When Longlegs looks at Lee and says, “Hail, satan”, it might not have been just a vocal declaration of his loyalty to death, but a direct salute to Lee, his master, after she told him that his “work was done”.
And if I’m not mistaken, take a look at the barn doors (x marks the spot). The insignia on the barn doors (the one that is the actual design of the door; not the little x’s) is the same symbol pictured in the 9 levels of hell book that is shown a few scenes prior - (the symbol under the inverted triangle).
At Drafthouse Im not sure if youre familiar with that theater chain but before the movie started. They showed like a live concert music video with the same symbols from the movies. So I assume long legs was the singer of the band as he was shown to have some pipes on him.
The thing that broke me was the mom entering and leaving the house with the huge trunk. I mean when they canvased the neighborhood I’m sure someone would’ve mentioned that huge detail.
Very layered. It's one of those films you're going to have to watch more than once.
Why would anyone (demon or otherwise) tip Lee off about her partner's daughter's birthday party if Lee was clearly going to try and stop the events from taking place??
Exactly , the whole time if she was under the influence of Satan or whatever why would it lead her to catching long legs and basically stopping the rituals at the end ?
I think the mom called Lee because she wanted her to witness the ritual, I think the mom was influenced by the devil to do this because yes, while they most likely knew Lee would stop it, this is what they wanted. I think there’s a bigger plan still happening. I think Lee was meant to intervene and save the daughter, but the devil wouldn’t let her destroy the doll. Because he still needs control over the daughter, for what? I don’t know. But I see her ritual sorta like the farm girls, Lees mom dropped the doll off while the kid wasn’t there on purpose, she wasn’t meant to die then. I imagine the devil will command the daughter to do something when he needs her to do it. But that’s just my theory
It's sounded like a disheveled Agent Carter...like he was upset cause he knew what was coming and either wanted Lee to help in some way or witness what he believed she was partially responsible for.
When Lee’s mom gave the monologue about her involvement in the murders, she says the possessed doll made Lee forget things and told her “where to look and where not to look”. Earlier, Lee told agent Carter her psychic abilities came from something that felt like a “tap on the shoulder telling her where to look”. I think everything that happened, including the phone call that tipped lee off about the party, was planned by the “man downstairs”. I have no idea what that plan is but this is the kind of movie you’d have to watch multiple times to figure it out.
@rickrob1748 It's strange that Lee doesn't remember the doll at all.
I’m so excited to hear more!! Thank you 🙏🙏 the ending frustrated me also which is what I think the director intended…
This isn't "Ending Explained" this is the narrative of the whole film. Especially with a spoiler right at the start
The porcelain dolls, IMO, represent the extremely delicate fragility of a child's innocence/ignorance.
He wasn’t trying to escape through the bus, he left the house so he wouldn’t be tracked down to the mothers house, that’s why the suitcase was full of notes and all of his writing so it wouldn’t be found at the house
The hail satan at the end was completely unnecessary and still bothering me. I felt like I watched something I shouldn’t have
I think it was there to try to show clearly that Satan has basically triumphed over everyone. When Lee kills her mom, she basically breaks the contract her mother made. So not only is her mom damned, but she probably is too. And all the murders were completed.
The end scene was almost like satan reaching out of the screen and saying “gotcha”
I honestly thought it was a pretty good ending lol
@@kel7444this is a great explanation 👏👏👏
@kel7444 why did her mother shoot the doll. That's the only thing that makes no sense to me. Especially since she was going to keep "the work" going regardless. Why not finish the job and then release her daughter from the memory block?
@@darkraitoast5529 When longlegs died and the mother lived up to her end of the deal, I guess shooting the doll was basically the devil releasing his grip on Lee, because the mother sold her soul for Lee’s protection. But later we come to see this isn’t truly the case, since Lee kills her mother, basically undoing the deal.
I believe the killing was supposed to end. The triangle was completed at the end. longlegs was technically dead anyways so there was no one to craft the dolls.
@@darkraitoast5529 I still have a lot of questions about the movie too it’s very confusing but I enjoyed it a lot
How can someone kill themselves by slamming there head a few times on a table why didn’t Lee stop the agent from killing his wife at the end. Like she knows he’s going to but she just lets him take her into the kitchen and stab her to death. Does the mother take the doll after every kill ? Where do the dolls go after each family slaying? So many questions
My read was that she knew killing him before a crime was committed would not be as defensible legally
@@ElaineClush an officer is supposed to stop crime from happening. Him having a knife is more than enough reason to shoot him. Also why didn’t Lee tell anyone about the letter she received from longlegs
I thought it was because both parents were mentally dead hence why they both acted very weird when Lee got there.
@@MrGlostuber I’m not sure what mentally dead means but Lees job is to protect human life and she just stood there while he stabbed his wife to death. Mentally messed up from the doll or not the wife was still alive and her job is to keep her that way
@MrGlostuber spot on! The mom stated that the parents were already dead even while they sat there!
I really like how the beginning was filmed I wish they used that cropped the whole movie or atleast most of it
It was used to show past events! Like to show past and present looks
My interpretation of the ending is that when Lees mom shot her doll, the black smoke inside freed Lee. The only other survivor of the murders/rituals was the girl Lee spoke to in the hospital. Her doll was found but never destroyed, so a piece of the devil was still in that ball and still had control over her. When Longlegs shows up he gives her the command to unalive herself. So based on that, I’d say Lee is safe at the end because she can’t be commanded, she couldn’t shoot the gun (even though she should’ve had the ammo) because the devil was preventing her from destroying the ball in the doll, because if he still has control of the daughter, then she too will be catatonic until given a command by the devil, most likely to commit in order to complete the ritual
My ONLY complaint is that it took everyone so long to figure out the “man downstairs” was the devil. Given this is supposed to take place in the 90s, most people lived through the satanic panic of the 80s, so I feel like at least one character would’ve mentioned the devil
no they opened up the ball and the girl killed herself that same day, its literally mentioned in the movie...
I wish we would've seen Longlegs kille someone. He didn't feel all that dangerous. He just felt like a weird dude. Cage was good but the character was really just a weird zany, eccentric type guy
Dont forget he was also the doll maker. He knew who the next victims would be.
It's not supposed to be a Michael Myers movie, the whole point is that Longlegs doesn't even have to do the killing he just leaves the dolls in the house which is so clever
A crazy guy with an incredibly scary moveset and mind that lives on after death.
@@rekzuhi was hoping he’d turn the girls into dolls and give them to the next victims or leave them in random places
He was just basically playing himself. Lol. The movie is extremely mid. Good ideas, but they didn't know how to flesh them out. Story was kind of all over the place too along with the extremely slow pace. Still good, but not as great as everyone is saying it is.
I felt the silver orb was some kind of cursed/possessed object. Weird but interesting.
It was cursed by a part of his soul.
@@chairun75 I think the balls contain parts of satans soul. And the soul of the daughter of whatever family longlegs targets. The ball in the dolls head is what whispers to the family. Telling the father to kill. Telling the mother and daughter to be passive. The doll is like the apple of Adam and Eve. And longlegs is the snake that offers it. Lees mom delivers it to the family and has to witness their murders as the ultimate sign of sin and blasphemy. A nun delivering something to annihilate an entire family all to save her own daughter
how do you think Lee handled Ruby's orb at the end with no bullets left?
yeah almost like the movie said that was the part of the doll holding the curse 🤦🏼♂️
@@theandrogynousmisogynist like a Horcrux!
What a film, I’ll give you that. Though I’d very much like revise the “Scariest Movie of the Decade” into “Best Serial-Killer Horror of this Year”
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Loved the atmosphere, the build up of dread (the feeling stays with you) the cinematography and of course the acting both for Monroe and Nicolas Cage.
Now I understand on what Perkins and Cage meant on their own mothers being reference for Long Legs.
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Overall an honest 8/10 film on my end. Wish it was longer hehe :))
Nicholas Cage and acting shouldbt be used in the same sentence, one of the worst actors of all time and for the next billion years
@@NoName-bb2puYou’re just plain wrong dude.
@@jakedizzle wow what way to prove me wrong, as convincing as Nick Coppola's acting
I might be absolutely completely misinterpreting the ending…BUT. I’m choosing to look deeper into that running out of bullets, there’s no way it’s a coincidence, it’s emphasized too much to be just nothing.
What I interpret it is, throughout the film the killers of the families murder and suicide while being confused and not in control. What I think happened is Lee is in a trance and the devils making her see what they want her to see. That Carter is trying to murder his family. Long story short, she shoots carter 2 times and he mom once, that’s what we see. 3 bullets left… I believe in reality Lee actually killed carters wife, daughter, and then herself.
I left the theater with this interpretation and it absolutely had me satisfied and excited, even if it comes out to be a stretch or “wrong” I’m gonna continue to believe it😭
I'm still trying to figure out how they caught Longlegs. Suddenly they just knew he was their guy. 🤣 I'm going to see it again tomorrow so maybe that piece will get filled in.
The movie hits on a subconscious level for sure. But from a narrative standpoint it's sorely lacking. Osgood's ideas are great as his directing. But he needs to accept his limitations and either improve his writing or outsource it someone else. Fincher didn't write Se7en, after all.
I’ve just this minute got home and I hate to even say it but it’s “good” at best, just my opinion of course but the way ppl were talking about it as being terrifying it’s certainly not and it’s not even that unsettling really, obviously it has moment but I envisioned this being the kinda of film that after you watch it you feel grim, like se7en or silence of the lambs or even Nicolas cage 8mm, I know that’s my fault for putting on that expectation but the way people were talking about the disturbing nature and subject matter it really didn’t live up to the hype, still a solid film I’ll watch again but just not to the standard the reviews are saying.
Couldn't have said it better, my feelings exactly. I went into this flick expecting, or at least hoping, to feel scared, or at least somewhat disturbed, n a cpl scenes were a bit disturbing (particularly the one w Kiernan Shipka.) But nothing on the levels of what I was expecting.. I cannot believe how extremely generous the horror critic community has been being to this film thus far. Is it an interesting film? Yes. Scariest film of the decade? Ha, not by a landslide.
I thought it was terrifying but that’s probably because we’re two different people with different lives and experiences, which is valid, scary is in the eye of the beholder
@@FunSizeClips absolutely agree, ones fear are different to the others and like I said I do think it had moment, but when it was compared to silence of the lambs and seven those films were scary because of the atmosphere rather than the actual scrips, they carried this horrible anxious feeling to the viewer and I thought this was going to be that since those two films were the specific comparisons, I still found this scarier than those other simplistic horror films like nun, insidious, but I’d say sinister is still probably the last great horror/unsettling movie.
@@kierangower247I’ve watched a decent bit of horror, but after watching the summary of sinister there was no way I was watching it. Such a terrifying concept
For me I had a good experience watching it but it wasn’t terrifying. The way people talk about it I thought it was the best thing ever but it was ok.
My biggest concern was how there’s so many random plot point that never tie together for anything. She has half psychic power but then nothing really elaborate on that? All those time decoding letter didn’t make a difference at all, ultimately it was the date of the murder that matter and the letter was absolutely irrelevant. And they had the whole thing with super natural element at the end which irks me.
I’m sorry I feel like i might be stupid or smth but if lee’s mom was working with longlegs in exchange of keeping lee safe, how come he went after lee and wrote that threatening letter about killing her mom?
Because Lee was literally solving Longleg's case? It's pretty easy to tell that Lee was extremely efficient at solving the mystery and reasoning behind longleg's murders, thats why he sent that letter. The letter if I remember correctly stated something along the lines of if you tell your police department about the clues you've found, I'll kill your mother. He went after Lee because she was solving Longleg's case, so of course hes going to try and kill the person that's going to stop him from succeeding
She was getting close to capture him. It was was basically to scare her off of the case.
Wait so the mom was working with the killer? That’s not a very interesting twist.
@@esyphillis101 did you not see the film?
@micmorgan84 obviously not
Why did Lee's mom take the doll to the Camera Farm in the middle of a school day if she was meant to watch the killings in a specific order every time??
There’s so many plot holes in this film. There must be others working with the demon, it’s never explained but in a lazy way
@@shawnhilliard I’d have to imagine things would go differently after long legs “death” considering satan is involved perhaps she was possessed unlike earlier when we saw lees mother in shock after watching the murders
I think it was never meant for the psyche ward girl to die at that moment. I think it was always meant for her death to be later on on the 13th to fulfill his algorithm.
@@rubyreduxxno plot holes
@@tyrantula767exactly
Right before the reveal of the mother, I thought the accomplice of LongLegs was Harker. That Longlegs was able to get her in a trance whenever he was ready for the next kill. The "someone of confidence to be allow into the house" and the fact that whenever she heard she was near the dolls she kept seeing evil images, etc. I liked the movie. Very different from the cut and paste action movies we are getting so much nowadays. Left like a through back to good mystery drama movies we used to get.
the doll shit ruined the movie tbh Idk why they didnt just let grandma face nic cage go fucking ham on people that would have been amazing.
Okay, so the one thing I walked out of the theatre wondering is why did Longlegs go through all this elaborate scheme - creating these dolls, possessing families, leaving coded notes - if his goal was simply to kill them? Was it just because "Hail Satan" and ooh dolls are spooky? Like, what was the point? Wouldn't it be easier to just... kill the families the good old fashioned way? Seems like he is just adding extra unnecessary steps here.
So, I feel like this movie is missing an entire act somewhere. What is the endgame for Longlegs? There's some vague implication that he will live on through the dolls after his death, but that's one throwaway line in the movie and doesn't really establish any clear motive for this ultra elaborate scheme.
If he is just a Satanic pysychopath, why not just kill the families. What is the significance of the 14th? Why was he so fixated on killing them on certain dates? What are the metallic spheres and where did he get them from / how were they made?
I don't understand this movie and the plot didn't really come full circle for me as far as... why anyone is doing what they are doing in the movie. Longlegs, the mother, Harker... It just doesnt add up to much of anything.
The inverted triangle revealing a sequence of dates is intriguing, but it's not really clear why the dates or the "algorithm" he is using is important or matters. Is it a ritual of some sort? And if so, what's meant to happen at the completion of the ritual? Was he trying to summon a demon / the devil, and somehow this doll scheme was required for that purpose? If so, it's not mentioned in the movie.
I like some ambiguity in these types of movies and I don't need every question answered, but when the movie is 90% questions, I consider that bad writing.
Also, like six jump scares accompanied by super loud audio stings (my personal rule is more than 2 and it's by default a shit horror movie). Big horror movie fan - great atmosphere, cinematography, solid acting, but absolutely nonsensical plot. Probably put this in the "overhyped" category with maybe a 6/10.
1. He kills them on a certain day because it’s part of the ritual to summon the beast. Carter’s family was the last family and then the ritual would’ve been completed.
2. The significance of the 14 was that he kills either 6 days before or after. I’m a little confused at that part too but something about the math with the algorithm that drew out a symbol
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This is extremely well explained. I happen to share the same sentiments. there’s no world the movie could be ranked higher than a 6.
The quote from the Book of Revelation, “The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name”. This quote is very important to the storyline because it starts to make sense and connect to the events and is repeated throughout the film. In this quote, it includes the Unholy Trinity which represents the main antagonists of the story including the Dragon, the Beast, and the Beast of the earth. In the movie, Lee reads the book when she draws the triangle. The three sides represent the Unholy trinity and each side has the numbers 666, which is also the Devil’s number in the book. This is why the murders take place 6 days before or after the birthday. The Dragon represents Satan, which is known as the serpent. This is explains why there are flashing images of the serpents throughout the movie. The Beast of the sea(aka the antichrist) resembles Longlegs, and the Beast of the Earth (aka false prophet) represents Lee’s Mother. In the book, the antichrist relies on the false prophet for help which is why we see Lee’s mother send the dolls to the families. Also, from the book, the false prophet is allowed to give breath to the Image of the Beast (the dolls), and that the dolls are able to speak to the familes who would not worship the devil (Longlegs only targets christians). This is the reason why the families become possessed and are killed and why the silver balls are in the doll’s heads. The balls are like corrupted, in the scene where Longlegs breathes into one of the dolls, i think thats how he kills them. His silver balls withholds his breath which contains the antichrist inside of them. Longlegs gives the corrupted dolls to Lee’s mother to deliver to the families and she ensures they die. There really is no explanation for his true motives as he is one mysterious man, but ig since hes some satanic killer, ig hes sort of spreading his ideologies through his murders. It is very ambiguous and theres no answer. It is for everyone’s interpretation and participation for the film which makes it a great movie. The plot of the film was pretty much straightforward, just an FBI agent tracking down a serial killer.
@meatjuice79
This is the best explanation for my questions I've seen so far. It adds a motive for Longlegs that makes sense to me, even though it's insane.
Bravo. I read your comment 3 times and I think I have a new outlook on this movie. As an allegory for Revelation(s) or maybe more literally, he is trying to bring about Revelation through this diabolical ceremony.
Great work. In my defense, I wish they would have signposted the note which includes that excerpt from Revelation, if that is the entire foundation of the plot, as I only recall it being mentioned very briefly and not really elaborated upon afterwards.
10:10 if you just want to hear the ending and what it could mean
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@@kevinb8755he literally tells you in the beginning what time to skip too, to skip the recap and get to the ending explaied
@@joppai true that
This movie felt like good mixture of blackcoats daughter and se7en. Loved it
All of the blank doll faces in his workshop (before giving them features) somewhat resemble Longlegs himself, the upturned button nose, the pale complexion, the fixed expression, indicating that he is also doll for a greater being to possess.
I took the ending to mean she was called on to finish the job. She says “come on, let’s go,” to Ruby, and then she hesitates. Not taking her eyes off the doll, and not even moving really.
I loved this movie. I had trouble sleeping last night 🤣 The opening alone really stuck with me. I was nervous the whole time. Some stuff I’m still confused with, but I still loved it.
Ngl I was waiting for Carter to clap Lee 😂
To me it looked like the gun just malfunctioned or was jammed instead being out of ammo. If I'm correct Lee only shot three rounds.
There’s a supernatural implication for why the firearm wouldn’t work against the doll
So much to say, so much to appreciate and Cage’s performance was so haunting I already blocked out plenty of it and only remember how contorted my face was in the theater looking at his 😂 That said, let down soon as the mom’s part was brought in. I feel like they could’ve taken this story to so many places instead of her deranged mom alone being the puppet. It just angered me, from mom trauma+that all of it goes back to her/Longlegs didn’t have more of the focus and backstory built. I felt like his level of insanity needed backstory to elevate it and his type of creepy is one we want to see in the driver’s seat the whole film. To top it off, he offedhimself and that’s the most brutal we saw him. Aaand they let her be alone with him? And blamed her for it when they didn’t restrain him? I was so frustrated. I wanna know the obvious..why did he look like he had a whole face transplant/who was he when younger/what mental issues are at play…the shift to satan and supernatural felt like the easy way. Music posters on the wall wasn't characterization. I hated Lee’s slow passivity so many times, including not being able to save the parents at the end or kill her mom sooner. Left a lot undone throughout, and still I couldn’t sleep last night!
Thank you for this video.
I just got back from seeing. I was confused.
I didn't expect supernatural levels.
As Lee said “it’s Revelation, singular, not Rebelations.”
What is the website for longlegs that has these easter eggs?
Lee hacker's character and execution is underrated I really loved her
Did anyone else notice her legs getting taller and having trouble walking in the final couple of scenes?
Whose legs???
@@danbluehz20 the detectives legs
@@bmarchai really??? Interesting
@@danbluehz20 Lee Harker
Super interesting! Also how in all of the photos of previous murders, their legs were clearly longer and sticking out of the bloody sheets. I was curious if the possessed all had longer legs? Still trying to wrap my mind around this great film. 🤯
These may be stupid questions but I was really confused by Carrie Ann’s character? Why was she still alive and why was her doll in that barn? And why did she end up killing herself at the same time as Longlegs? Also why was she so quiet for so long before they found the doll? was she in a trance the whole time? I’m very confused by her back story.
Love your analysis and ending explanation. I just finished watching this movie too and had many questions about the ending.
The doll was the present that Nicholas cage was talking about during the interview, she had two choices to either keep it or destroy it, and that’s the ending that scares me
I am really disappointed on how I ended up feeling about the film. It always left me wanting more and it was honestly either very predictable and/or non surprising. I think I have to blame the marketing team for being so good but also letting my self believe this is a modern day silence of the lambs or like seven. My expectations for this movie were really high. This movie wasn’t scary, and barley unsettling. Nicolas cage was amazing but we barley got anything from him and I wish they didn’t use so much prosthetic on his face I feel like he would’ve been much scarier if we just saw his regular face with some make up. I feel like a lot of his facial emotions were blocked by the prosthetic too. There are also some things that didn’t make sense to me. That being said I wish they took the idea of long legs and really expanded on it or made it better. For example instead of just using the dolls and having the Mom be in on it. I thought long legs was kinda like Pinocchio’s father/creator where he would kill people and then work on them to turn them into these dolls and extend their limbs to do the killings for him. I think that would’ve been cooler for example. So, pretty sad about this film. Overall, a 6/10. Great cinematography though.
Sounds like you wanna make your own movie bro lmao
@@givenchymamajama3859 That’s actually exactly what I want to do so bad! However, I want to make money first and then go for it haha
@givenchymamajama3859 bro I'm dead 😂
@@lilshinobu bro went in the movie w/ a script already 😂
@@givenchymamajama3859 I actually do really bad in the future and I plan too 😭💀. However, I need money first.
At the end of the movie she tries to shoot the doll 3 times but it clicks three times. Cowboys were called six shooters because they used to carry around revolvers with six bullets (the same gun our hero had). click*6 click*6 click*6
Can’t lie I thought this movie was about a large spider
we get ittttttttttttt
Agreed with comments. The fact she can’t fire at the end tells us the ritual is broken. The real man downstairs is unleashed. It’s time to twist and burn.
Why did Lee's mother shoot the doll that looked like Lee?
Yeah that confused me too. Doesn't make sense to think she was trying to save Lee when she would later try to kill her.
Also it doesn't follow the mythos of longlegs. This in itself seems a little flawed. He makes a doll (which seems more voodoo-ish w hair and some kind of "essence" contained inside) which is then delivered to the family and in a relatively short time drives the father's of these families to kill their families then themselves. Why not just possess the father's directly? Plus not all of these families even belonged to a church. Why would they just accept a gift from a curch they don't attend but seemed to know their kids birthday? What would have happened if they didnt accept the gift?And how did Lee get a doll as a kid when she didn't apparently have a father. (That initself had a Rosemary's baby feel to it)
I really enjoyed cages performance (especially his "big daddy" yelling tone). I know he's a true fan of the genre. It was a good movie more of a horror movie vibe than so many recent movies claiming to be horror. I just don't think the whole thing was fully conceptualized before filming
@swannix Half baked but damn was it creepy when it wasn't goofy af lol
What I don’t get is how Carter still had a birthday party for his daughter after knowing about the murders. His daughter’s birthday must have been on the 14th right? Did I miss something. Other than that I loved the movie
This movies was so crazy I loved it!!! I will definitely see it again💯
I'm still not sure about the movie. I felt it was a bit long, and there were so many technical errors. Like when Lee's partner got shot in the beginning she sought cover right in front of a window. Then during the movie she is carrying a 9mm handgun, but then at the last scene she is carrying a .38 revolver for some reason. Then the fact that she fired that revolver 3 times, and then went to shot the doll only to discover she was out of ammo. Did she not check her weapon prior to leaving her place? So many more technical mistakes. I know it's a movie but come on so many technical plot holes you could drive a semi through them.
Let me know what yall want me to cover in the next video where we will dive deeper
Do it
Whatever you post, we will watch! Your videos are much appreciated and I love how you go so deep with everything. You are a researcher in a reviewer's soul!
Alright, well, my answer is the reason that she couldn't do it. Besides not half thin a bullet center gun if you count it, she didn't shoot him. All off was again. What? I said earlier. Would you have to read the comment below this one hypnosis? Again as her mind was traitor and all was not. Set to do it because of the hypnosis part still, she was still under the hypnosif. You remember she couldn't remember a bit some pieces of things. She was trying to put bits and pieces of a puzzle back together. That's because part of her mind is still under the hypnosis here and she's vaguely putting the pieces back together and getting her mind clear of that hypnosis has nothing to do with. Anything else about what she saw? Because she wouldn't be an f. BI agent, otherwise, if she couldn't do all that if you remember earlier in the movie, since again we're gonna talk about the hypnosis and everything else she's supposed to have had some psychic ability if you remember she talked about how she took the test and got it right 8 times and failed 8 times that's just A. To me here, I don't think she was 100% psychic. She had some psychic ability but not a 100% psychic ability. She didn't unlock her full potential again. Back to what I was saying the hypnosis. She was made to forget so she was still. On yes, she was still under his control because of the hypnosis.
Watched it last night and putting on my big brain cap , maybe there wasn’t no posssesions after all , maybe it was all hypnotism or the mom was actually doing the killings and staging them as murder-suicides. Lee Harker displays autism spectrum demeanor so maybe when her mom shot the doll the sounds made her pass out since people with autism are often against loud sounds. Even Longlegs seems like a guy who’s just a mental case - and Lee’s mom just helps him out cause she’s lonely why else would she let him stay in their basement and help out with murders if it meant he can stay there since as she puts it no one visits the family. Even Carrie Ann Camera’s family seems
Mentally unwell - all I’m saying is what if this is all one big allegory for mental illness.
Autism overstimulation doesn’t make you pass out tho
I see what your saying but she seen the first dude get shot point blank in the head when they were investigating the cookie cutters. She didn’t freeze or tense up her fbi survival instinct kinda kicked in.
When mrs Camera killed,why she chrouching towards the camera?
Also there’s no mention of this anywhere so I think I was just tweaking but I really thought I heard Longlegs breathing just a bit at the end of the credits, so yeah I think this movie wormed its way into my brain 😂
This movie kinda failed to deliver. there was satanic imagery but if you think about it there really wasn’t anything satanic about it. No rituals. Longlegs didn’t do 💩 but make these dolls and kill himself after. This movie kinda disappointed me
ye it really dissapointed
Definetly had satanic influence throughout the whole film wtf lmao.
Longlegs himself is a representation of a demon attempting to fullfill a ritual where he targets families that have strong christian faiths and daughters whos birthdays falls on a specific date.
The dolls he makes are possesed with esseneced balls that have traces of longlegs inside them and take over the fathers of the household making them kill there families.
Its one thing to not like a film, but it makea me wonder if you watched it and if you did how you missed all of that.
Lol the rituals were the birthday killings. That’s literally what every murder was. A ritual for satan
9/10 totally disagree
Sounds like some things went over your head
Longlegs was NOT going to escape on a bus (what bus?) he was waiting for them (the police ) almost turning himself into them (the police )in a way