SHOGUN: The Historical Events That Followed The Ending Of The Show
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- I review, breakdown and explain Shogun on FX. I discuss the ending of the show and the real history that followed where we left Toranaga as he was about to become Shogun. I react to The Battle of Sekigahara, the outcome of it, Ishido's Death, John Blackthorne staying in Japan and not being permitted to leave and the siege of Osaka. I compare the show to the real events with Ieyasu Tokugawa and William Adams. I also give my theories and predictions on if there will be a spin off that covers any of the events.
00:00 Intro
00:43 The Battle Of Sekigahara And Ishido's Fate
02:58 What Happened To The Real Life John Blackthorne?
05:21 What Happened To Toranaga?
07:10 Yabushige's Death Didn't Happen
08:04 Conclusion
08:50 Outro
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Do you think Shogun is the best limited series to be released in recent times? Let me know your thoughts below!
Chernobyl is at the same level too in terms of emotional impact and historical authenticity
Definitely the best I've seen this year!
If they don't win an Emmy for the costumes, I call heresy!
@@AhmedRizk3 Chernobyl is a totally different animal; it's non-fiction drama. Shogun is a drama of a different type.
@@aishaalamoudi599 but the quality is similar, right? That's his point. I didn't watch Chernobyl because I didn't want to witness tragedy after tragedy and get depressed. A lot of other people avoided it for the same reasons. So, yeah that does make it a different animal
Yes. It is at least among the best. I read the two volume novel when it first came out and then watched the first miniseries. In many ways this version of the story was the best. Every aspect of this show displayed a level of competence rarely seen in television miniseries.
The guy not only achieved the Shogunate, he actually set the bases for one of the longest periods of relative peace of any human culture, not bad for a warlord, not bad at all.
One of the ways he did it was a strict isolationist policy. But apparently thats Xenophobic in America.
@@neoasuraEras of peace only come from empires/kingdoms having a culture that the rulers vehemently support.
You'll notice the "peace" that globalists push is just consolidation of power and money with culture constantly being whittled down.
@@neoasurau do realize that the USA become great by accepting immigrants
@@vontai4553legal ones
@@neoasurait would have failed miserably had they not ended isolationism. The US was isolationist up to WW2 and we know how ending that isolationism created the American Empire and made them the powerhouse it has become since then. Isolationism typically does not end well as there is no trade of technology and ideas.
Adams was allowed to leave Japan for trade missions to South East Asia. He visited Ayutthaya, in Siam, on two occasions. But never returned to England.
That scene as an old man in England was a dream sequence, since Blackthorne was holding Mariko's cross, which he had dropped in the sea.
Nothing happened after the ending as this is a work of fiction and only loosely based on historical people.
Possibly, but why would Mariko's cross be one-of-a-kind? I would think they might be quite plentiful in Portugal, even that many priests in Japan might have the same cross, either just their own, or to give to prized converts. I think the writers left it to the audience to decide for themselves. There's room for doubt anyways. Perhaps they thought sticking to the real-life fate of Adams (remember, even his name was changed) was too depressing and imagining the possibility of his dying with English grandsons around him was a happier ending.
I thought adams married and died in Japan? Just watched a docu on him and they said he married a local woman and never left japan.
@@squirlmy I mean Adam's story isnt depressing at all lol, the real Adam actually send money he get from the Shogun to England. He got his own land, married a wife and get paid handsomely. Becoming a trusted advisor to the Shogun and became Samurai. That is the dream life lol.
@@Jacobarch1981 He did die in Japan. But he made trade missions in the area.
Toranaga played us like a damn fiddle.
He did. We were the Yabushige in all of this
He’s like Batman. Always have contingency plans for everything, except that Toranaga killed a lot of people.
Yabushige's smile confirmed it..
Unironically exactly what you’d expect out of a Shogun
He might despise himself for doing it, but it's a medieval era @nont18411
6:32 Tokugawa Ieyasu retired from the position of shogun and gave it to his son mainly because he saw the mistakes that his predecessors made. Many great clans fell apart quickly once the patriarch died without appointing his heir (like Oda Nobunaga) or having an heir too young that gave the older regent a chance to take advantage of his youth and usurp the throne (like what Ieyasu himself did after Toyotomi Hideyoshi died).
Retiring when he’s still alive and well would comfortably prevent the aforementioned cases of succession crisis and help prolong the dynasty. This is Ieyasu’s contingency plan and it became an unwritten rule for the shogun throughout 265 years of the shogunate.
How did it finally end after 250y?
From my understanding, the Retired Shogun system was set up as a sort of internship/ on_the-job training scheme and for the country to slowly acclimate to the new Shogun's style of rule as time went on.
The Retired Shogun still held majority power while the New Shogun would enact smaller and less drastic policies that he thought would better address present issues. Over time, power would be transferred to the New Shogun until the Retired Shogun passes away.
@@ZliBokser Americans arrived and forced Japan to open its country to foreign trade, which led to a civil war that the Imperial forces overthrew the shogunate that they saw as “weak and ineffective”. Once the shogunate’s gone, the new government emerge in a new revolution called “the Meiji restoration” which modernized the country both economically and militarily. This was the same government that sparked world war 2, by the way.
It was the end of Samurai period, and the beginning of the industrial period.
@@ZliBokser The Meiji restoration happend.
There were pressure to restore the de-facto power to the Emperor(Japan has had an emperor for nearly 2000 years, but much of it they had no real power). At the same time, the Americans(led by Commodore Perry) with their steam ships arrived and forced Japan to open up trade(they had been isolating themselves during the Shogunate). This triggered a crisis/civil war that forced the Shogun to step down and return power to the Emperor(the Meiji Restoration). Japan then rapidly modernized, and among other things, the Samurai as a class were abolished, leading to rebellion among the Samurai that wanted to restore the power of the Emperor in the first place.
What happened next?
1603 - Establishment of the Tokugawa shogunate
1609 - Japan’s colonization of Ryukyu Kingdom (which turned into Okinawa islands today)
1615 - Siege of Osaka
1616 - Death of Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga)
1620 - Death of William Adams (Blackthorne)
1637 - Shimabara rebellion and sakoku (Japan’s isolationism from Western influence which led to the event of the movie “Silence” directed by Martin Scorsese)
Saved me 10 minutes, thank you!
Funny cos Yabushige's actor is in Silence
@@EliKav really? how's the movie? is it good?
@@shubhamyadav8484 yeah its good
You'll see spiderman. 😅
I hope that this series will encourage a new generation to read Clavell's novel Shogun.
How is the novel compared to the show? Worth a read?
@@ridalger16
It is absolutely worth the read.
Because a novel has so much more time to unfold, and flesh out characters and plots, it has a lot more depth.
@@ridalger16 The ending is roughly similar, with the novel describe a bit more about the aftermath. But if people who are did not like the ending and expect the book to be better then they are wrong lol.
It encouraged me at lesst. I began the book , the 80s show and will read the entire Asian Saga Tai-Pan , Gai-jin , Rat King , Noble House and the one about Iran
@ridalger16 I finished the book a few weeks ago. I thoroughly enjoyed it. John Blackthorne is a good character and has growth and gives a cool insight on life in Japan during this time.
It is an very long book though (1600 pages total), but I found it hard to put down once I started reading it.
I was happy with the ending of this fantastic show, but after your video I now really want a season 2 and see John Blackthorn get that family and become a translator. Great video, thank you for posting
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Hopefully it’s with Fuji sama. She stops being a nun and pillows with blackthorn 😋
@@josephmccartney5951 Oh man, my very thoughts. Off the charts cute.
To bad there won’t be anymore seasons
The actor and Producers said if there is a high demand they can do season 2 based on the real historic events @stephenperez9341
Sometimes reality is more exciting than fiction
Sekigahara in Shogun: Everything went according to Toranaga’s plan. This battle is his autopilot because he already won ever since Mariko died and caused the Christian lords and Ochiba to switch sides.
Actual Sekigahara: Hosokawa Gracia’s death, while important, still wasn’t enough to shift to momentum to Tokugawa’s favor. He still had to make secret deal with some of Ishida’s lords but he still couldn’t take the chance so he sent 2 armies to fight Ishida at Sekigahara. One led by him, another led by his son. However, the plan went super wrong when his son defied his orders and attacked a castle that he’s not supposed to, causing him to be late for his father’s battle and almost ruined everything. Luckily Tokugawa’s plan of subverting Ishida’s army paid off when Kobayakawa Hideaki betrayed Ishida but not without a cost because one of Tokugawa’s best generals, Ii Naomasa, got mortally wounded in this battle and died two years later.
Thanks for the lecture jeeze
Well, no. In fact, Ieyasu had been secretly courting the various factions for quite some time. The defection of some of the other clans from Ishide was only partly based on the death of akechi Tama, it was also based on the fact that Ishide was not a general but a bureaucrat. At least one important Daimyo on Ishide's side at Sekigahara refused Ishide's orders on the basis that he only took orders from generals. And sekogahara itself was largely chosen by Ishide. The two armies bumped into each other in a dense fog. Meanwhile lots of other interesting things were going on - Ieyasu's eldest son was kept from the battlefield because he was busy trying to take the Sanada clan's castle - but because sanada was such a respected general the Tokugawa side actually went about the siege at a very slow pace and the castle was never taken. Meantime quite a few of the clans at sekigahara didnt actually fight and switch sides until it was obvious that Ieyasu was winning. So in a sense it was sheer luck, because if the battle had gone badly for ieyasu at the outset - and it nearly did - then Ishide's supporting clans would not have switched sides and the numerically inferior Tokagawa forces would have been massacred. Sekigahara was a huge gamble that Ieyasu was forced to take and it worked. Such is history.
@@tileux wow more words jeeze louise
@@SirReginaldBumquistIII you being forced to read it, buddy?
It's interesting that you parrot the conclusions of old Japanese historians concerning Naomasa. Were there any battles left for him to fight after Toranaga got the Shogunate?
Was Li Noamasa a good person? Was he good to his troops and/or to conquered armies? I have little context, but from one extreme, like the Viking desire to die in battle, to the other; how did he treat people outside of directing armies, I'm not so sure his death was such a great loss compared to the many others who died in the struggles. It does seem odd to me, that in battles where hundreds, perhaps thousands died, the cost would be measured by one "great" general. Only those who wish to glorify that military past would hold this general in such high esteem. I'm much happier that Edo prospered so much it became Tokyo, where many millions live today.
I read Shogun (the novel) 4 times after it first came out, having worn out one book, and I watched and have for years owned the original Shogun miniseries. James Clavell did such a great job of describing the Japanese culture and psyche. I went to Japan as a little boy a few years after WWII, and started school there and fell in love with the Japanese culture even though many of the Japanese did not like the Americans. I can understand Adams' affinity for the culture, and this is probably why I connect so strongly with the book and the two miniseries. I love the book most of all but I thought that both miniseries did an admirable job of bringing the novel to the screen. To me the first miniseries was definitely from Blackthorne's perspective, while the second was from the Japanese side, especially Toranaga's. I hope that they do not stop here, and someone picks up the sword and continues to peel back the layers of this wonderful story.
My Grandmother was r*ped by the Japanese during WW2 when they invaded and occupied South East Asia. They also bayonetted her youngest child (my uncle) right in front of her too. They killed many people during their occupation and now people are falling in love the Japanese Culture.🙂
One of rhe scenes that was not depicted in the novel but was changed for the FX Shogun series was Blackthorne and Fuji burying their loved ones at sea. Earlier in the series Blackthorne expressed the idea of being at sea being tied to freedom, and it was a nice callback.
Yabushigey and Toranaga both played in the movie 47 Ronin. Their hatred and mistrust for each other built up for many years. 😂
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@@pali_ahathe actors are old co-star pals that played rivals
@@Otterdisappointment , oh thank you
To me, Asano is Captain Nagata from the crappy Battleship movie 😂
@@forrestgumball That was entertaining, who doesn't like an Alien 👽 movie?
John could never leave Japan, if Toranga was successful he could not possibly let a foreigner that was close to him leave alive and inform European courts about the new leader of Japan. Earlier in the show Lady Mariko told John he was the prisoner, I think many people missed that discussion.
i agree, John is too important for the shogun, he will not let him leave
I really wish that the FX series has been given more episodes to tell the story. Unfortunately because of the time available a lot of character development and plot points had to be truncated, or eliminated altogether.
Clavell's novel has s lot pf beauty to it, and a lot of exploration and reflection upon human motivations.
Not really time yes but it was never meant to be more then one season.
Well there’s a season 2 and season 3 basically announced
@@keyan1219
Unfortunately the show already moved through all the novel material.
It's too bad they didn't have enough faith in it to give the three seasons the novel deserves to tell the story.
@@grandmufftwerkin9037 yeah definitely true
still hopeful for the next season(s) despite the lack of source material though
If anyone is curious about what happened to Lady Ochiba and her son, Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga) drove them to commit suicide during the siege of Osaka, not before lying to them saying he wouldn’t attack again.
Edit: Do y’all want to know what his excuse to attack Osaka was? “You engraved my name on a bell and it’s misspelled, you’re trying to jinx me”. It’s a real fact, look it up. He also waited for the very last Mitsunari loyalist to die, and only then did he attack the heir.
Ooooh nice ! Toranaga really wanted to be the Shogun all along ! Love it.
@@Rudi_Mentary723 lol people are too innocent falling into his trap. He was always pretending refusing thr shogun title and acting like he just accepted it as a final move to defend his life in the show, but actually he really wanted it.
Remember the example he gave to his son? "Always let people do it for you and react to their mistake"
@@liamlvp3886 Yess. His talks with his son gave us a few spoilers. I didn't think much about them then, now I see the relevance.
@@Rudi_Mentary723 Actually if we look at the real history, his very first sign of ambition to become a shogun was so obvious like hiding in a plain sight.
Tokugawa Ieyasu was born “Matsudaira Takechiyo”. However, the name Matsudaira wasn’t that prestigious so he went to the emperor and asked him to give him the new family name into “Tokugawa” because the name “Tokugawa” has a connection to the Minamoto clan (the clan of former shoguns) which made Ieyasu now an eligible candidate to become a shogun.
And he did the name changing thing ever since he’s 19 when he’s still a vassal of Oda Nobunaga, the leader of Japan at that time.
And since he became the shogun when he’s 60, that means he had been planning to seize the throne for 41 years! Real patience here.
@@nont18411 Patience, ambition and enough motivation...and not a hint of it shown (atleast in the show)..he really played us all along !
Appreciate this brother just finished shogun and felt kind of empty this has saved me a bit 😅
Glad it helped! There's still a lot more story to tell if they go ahead with S2
I'd like to see a prequel. They mentioned war stories when they were in Korea several times. The Imjin wars had armies of Samurai fighting the Koreans and Ming China. It was also when the first ironclad warships were used (turtle ships). This could be really epic.
I highly recommend the Korean Yi Sun-sin trilogy about the Imjin Wars. They are the highest grossing Korean movies of all time for a very good reason.
@@fludbludah yes, Admiral Yi
One of Korea's war heroes that's literally a force to be reckoned with against the invading Japanese
You're a real one for making this epilogue, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The show was brilliant, and amazingly good. My wife who hates reading subtitles actually got hooked on the first episode and could actually pay attention instead of dead scrolling on tiktok like she does for all other shows she's interested in.
Fascinating stuff BrainPilot. I binged the entire season yesterday and loved it as much as the first and second time 🤣. Enjoyed the video thanks!
Awesome, thank you!
Fantastic video and summary man! Thank you. I feel closure hahaha.
Glad you enjoyed it!
IMO the original had a better ending, while I really enjoyed the reboot it could have used another episode to close things out.
Thank you for the history lesson! I recently visited the Legion of Honor in San Francisco where there is currently an exhibit of Japanese wood block prints, an art form that became popular during the Edo era. The exhibit also features historical information on the Edo era itself. A timely tie-in with my watching the Shōgun series!
Glad you enjoyed the video!
I think the ending was perfect in its theme of what defines a shogun. There’s a Chinese saying that perfectly sums it up “運籌帷幄之中，決勝千里之外“ it means “within the calculation inside the tent, a victory of thousand miles away is secured”. Yes we didn’t get the epic battle and chained cannons tearing samurai to shreds, but the whole show has been about the scheming taken place in the shadow that ultimately made him shogun. Modern audience are spoiled with epic battles and hence some of the let downs.
Thank you for all your coverage of shogun! Sad that is over, but it’s been fun.
Thank you, glad you've enjoyed the videos
Nothing makes my man tears flow more than stories of Honor and sacrifice.
What kind of honor is being sworn to your Shogun and later being responsible for his son's death? I mean, its shady. He sent Mariko on suicide mission. Allowed his general to cut his belly to support a deceit. He tormented the village for something he ordered - the burning of the ship. I think Napoleon is more honorable figure. A lot of others for a fact.
Ok, wild crossover idea, John Blackthorne is the real father of the Blue Eyed Samurai!🙃
I had the same thought when i first heard the premise of shogun
Blackthorne doesn’t give off that vibe tbh he was respectful of the culture
@@XaldinX The real person he's based on did have children with a Japanese wife. And we don't actually know that the Blue Eyed Samarai's father was evil, she just thinks he is.
Wish there was more seasons this was really good
Yeah it was incredible wasn't it!
More seasons would stretch out the story, as most of the characters have already reached their climax. Shōgun In it’s own interpreted story ended it well.
@@ultimatecrusader9907100% but the show has essentially created a universe in which it could continue to depict historical events or add their own dramatical spin in order to extend the masterpiece they’ve created
@@jordanbrooks4834 possibly in the near, but not soon, future. I want Shōgun to marinate in its glory as it intended before setting up a spin-off.
@@jordanbrooks4834 You have Taipan set in Hong Kong and Gaijin set in Japan at the end of the Shogunate. Both take place around 200 years later and set in the same universe as Shogun. That is your sequel or "2nd season"
Was an awesome series but also really short.
I understand the reasons... but still would've liked to see more of the battle in the finale episode!
Also, even though it's prob not what the books are about, they could make a story for Jan Joosten (Yayōsu). He was a Dutch merchant who came together with Adams!
He also served Togugawa and became a mediator between Japan and the Netherlands.
In the Shogun series they completely left him out... by just stating all dutchmen were drunk or dead etc.
I would recommend a reading of the book, it affects in a way that cannot be described. This series was very very good and stirred up the same emotions I felt when I read the book in 1994.
I believe whole heartedly that William could’ve left if he wanted to but didn’t, ieyasu wouldn’t have stopped him if he really wanted to leave as they were close
The depiction of historic Japanese culture in this show was top tier and really felt like a glimpse into history. From set design to writing, everything was done perfectly. The creators of this show should definitely work together again to adapt another piece of history. I will be there to watch.
Comparison with history:] for the time the story ran:
Clavell took real historical events and changed the characters' names so that he could mix up the timeline and have creative freedom. Some big historical differences between book and history:
Blackthorn (William Adams) landed in Japan in April 1600
Blackthorn's (Adams') main interpreter was Suminokura Ryōi (after the Portugese/Jesuits) who was a merchant. Not as romantic as Mariko...
Speaking of that - there is no good evidence that Mariko (Hosokawa Gracia) ever met Blackthorn. Maybe they did at Osaka castle but it's completely unknown and very unlikely they had any kind of significant relationship.
Gracia was killed by the family retainer Ogasawara Shōsai, not a ninja bomb.
Battle of Sekigahara (Toranaga vs Ishido) happened in October 1600
Blackthorn (Adams) wasn't granted Samurai / Hatamoto until 1605 - long after "Ishido" was dead.
#3 Even more unlikely they ever "got it on", lol. That was definitely made-for-tv sexual dalliances.
Let me add some more
The term "hatamoto" did not weigh any meaning before the existence of Shogunate. Lord don't appoint someone as hatamoto for what they were referring in the series. Usually a person (samurai) will be appointed as kerai or kashin.
Ochiba (Chacha) was referred as daughter of Kuroda (Nobunaga) in the series. In reality she was the niece not daughter.
Toranaga's son was modeled after Hidetada. He didn't die like was portrayed in the series and later will become the 2nd shogun.
Toranaga's half brother never betrayed him in reality.
There was actually Council of Elders (5 big daimyos) + Council of Magistrate (5 people) instead of Council of Regents (5 people)
Mariko's in law, Toda family was portrayed as hereditary retainer of Toranaga in the series. In reality however Hosokawa, the family they based on was the retainer of Ashikaga's last shogun alongside Akechi (Gracia's father) before they both switching side to Nobunaga following the exiled of Ashikaga.
In the series (not sure the book), they only show Osaka castle and Edo castle. In reality during 1600 there were many castles all over Japan albeit not as sophisticated as Osaka castle and usually a daimyo has castle to take care and don't have their house built near fishing village like Yabushige.
The real counterpart of Yabushige, Honda Masanobu was only becoming daimyo after Shogunate is founded.
Feel free to add more
The long term "what happened" is concluded essentially in the movie The Last Samurai, which is interesting...
Many of the commenters here have knowledge of Japanese history, even though they are not Japanese. How did you acquire your knowledge? As a Japanese, I wonder and also respect.
In the book Gai Jin - also by Clavell there are hints of what happened in the Clavell version of history.
Omi - after the instruction of Yabu leads his family to build a shipping empire which is also mentioned in Whirlwind, another Clavell novel.
Toronaga besieges the castle where Ochiba and the heir are taking refuge and with the help of the cannon from Blackthorne's ship destroys the walls and both Ochiba and the heir are sent into the void by seppeku.
Highly recommend the youtube channel "Shogunate" if you want a great episodic narrative of the Sengoku Jidai (and beyond).
It's so good I've watched it a few times through.
Thank you🎉
Could have also clarified that his Right hand man, never commited sepukku
Good different take.
My mother and I went to the MET one day a couple years ago and by happenstance went through the Japanese art and culture exhibit and I actually took the time to read some of the entries on the Tokugawa shogunate and the Spartan brutality described gave me a weird impression of Toranaga upon starting the show knowing what Tokugawa would become.
The show was really good, wish they make another season to give us some closure. Would love to see Toranaga become Shogun and Blackthorne fully embrace the Japan culture.
I think that would be a mistake. It would be better to adapt james clavells other books where it includes blackthornes Japanese descendents. The books return to 19th century Japan that includes toranagas descendents.
the new version deviated significantly with the book. for one thing anjin san was able to obtain japanese crew for his ship
Tbf, the book ends pretty open as well.
Hehe guess what? Your wish came true lol
i wish they have a Yukimura Sanada expy for more story romantization when Toranaga fight Ochiba later at Osaka.
I recommend you a show named “Sanada Maru”
The thing is that I could not really build this deep realtionship and feeling for the main characters like in the the Shogun serie of the 80s.
Something really important, and which wasn’t mentioned, were the relations between Japan and Europe. Adams arranged the fact the newly established(1602) The United East India Company(VOC), had the sole rights to trade with Japan. This right gave the Dutch the opportunity to have a monopoly on goods from Japan, and have sole influence on Japan in the meantime. Right up until the moment that the US violently opened up Japan in the 19th century. Dutch studies was introduced in Japan, and all new inventions & advancements in the world, were introduced to Japan by the Dutch. All this contact and trade occurred from the artificial island of Dejima on the coast of Nagasaki. Meanwhile the Portuguese and the Catholic faith were banned from Japan.
Mesmerising
It truly was!
I wouldn't mind a spinoff of Kiku and Father Martin befriending as neighboring brothel and church expand in Edo. Speaking of Kiku and her teaching that presence is felt strongest in its absence. As John and Fuji sat silently observing flowers fall in the garden, Mariko's absence was felt strongest as an empty cushion beside them.
On the theme of Zen gardens, as showcased in the opening of the series. Yabushibe was literally and metaphorically lost in a shallow koi pond searching for catfish. Like koi fishes swimming near the surface for observers to see clearly, Yabu's "don't bury me" death poem, like his character, was straightforward and predictably confined in a shallow dimension. Unbeknownst dead man destined to be left on the field, fed to dogs by deep schemers.
Adams looks like he'd be a really good Hearthstone Streamer
Would like to see a mini series on the Japanese expeditions to Siam and Chile/Philippines. The one to Siam was to find an alternative supply of silk. The one to Chile/Philippines to verify Adams claims about Spanish/Portuguese/Catholic conquests.
Netflix has a good mini-documentary about this!
What is it called??
@@SeanCuebas-zl5my Age of Samurai: Battle for Japan
Fantastic show.
Best show of 2024 for me, and some other pretty decent ones of Three Body Problem and Fallout!
Yeah three very good shows!
I wonder if Will Allen’s current descendants in Japan are known (assuming the family line still exists)…?
In season 2, I would like to see the story of Ochiba no kata (Yodo dono) suffering during the summer and winter wars in Osaka, and the Toyotomi family being destroyed.
they already said there's no season 2 lol
@@johnnielurkereven after the success of season 1? I would love to see a season about the battle
@@jamesawwyea stubborn ass lmao
hell ya season 2 shogun right here
Nah they gotta leave this now. They should let it exist for the masterpiece that it is
@@BrainPilot haha no i meant your the season 2 ! :D
I have the books that the show is based on. They make a very good read. I think the 1970s Shogun was superior to the recent one. My opinion. They both of course deviate from the book as movies and shows always do, And the book not be nonfiction exactly deviated from reality. But they do do a good job of getting people interested in the Japanese culture and in the Edo.. or at least the start of the Edo period. And that is where the books and the movies were so good. Making us want to broaden our knowledge of a culture different than the Western one.
I highly recommend everyone to read Samurai Revolution by Romulus Hillsborough. It’s about Katsu Kaishu and Edo period!
I wish they had actually had us experience much of what we were told in the last episode. It was to me like they ran out of time and it left me feeling cheated a bit when I realized this was it. No season two.
Im no history expert, but I have a brain(know realities of life) and history buff , I guess Ieyasu won the Daimyos favor due to his experience(his resume),position and will likely fullfill his promise to them, and Ishida's Army is more Ieyasu's enemy ganged up together which you have if you are in a high place.
People always side with someone who will likely to win.
Yes you have a point! Ishida usually portrayed (I talk based on Popular culture) as someone with poor diplomatic skill, unbendable to rules, and unfriendly. People who sided with him basically either those who indebted to Hideyoshi or those who hate Ieyasu.
Did the Tokagawa shogunate end with the Meije restoration?
yes
Yes, it did, and it was called the "Meiji Restoration" which happened in 1868.
thats led to the event of the last samurai
I do wonder how many powerful families from back then still hold similar power and influence now.
I know its a limited series but they definitely have enough interesting stuff to make a second season.
They do. But I think if they looked into doing a prequel that would be awesome!
No Tadakatsu Honda?
I think i might have played a video game on the ps1 that had to do with this. I at least remember the name Tokugawa was one of the leaders of a faction fighting. The game was called Kessen, or Kessan. Does anybody remember this game or if it is tied into this history?
I would’ve loved to see the battle of Sekigahara with a Hollywood lens. Especially since the real events are make for great TV. Particularly the Cavalry charge that broke the Western Army’s morale
Anyone else think they shorted us on that last episode? Especially since there won’t be another season!
how come the show never mentioned the emperor at all? or did i miss it..
Was William Adam's related to the American, John Adams?
Sometimes I wonder if historical families like the once in Shogun still exist today, or if they are even aware of their prior status.
Yes a bunch do! You can look up an existing Tokugawa today.
Family history and lineage plays a very important role in Japan. During Tokugawa's time, your family had to come from a lineage of samurais to be considered for important posts like Shogun.
Yes, the Tokugawa family still exists
Now they need to do Taipan, his other book on the far east. This time it's Hong Kong.
I just wish we saw more i didnt want it to end where it did
It would have been good if there were more episodes for sure, but only because I don't want to leave the universe!
i adored the show, but was disappointed we didn't get an authentic Japanese land battle like the flashback reflects to.
Rare case of rl having a happier ending than fiction.
I am not someone who appreciates what Japanese culture is today but this show gives me a new respect for what used to be total disdain. Absolute best TV since Battlestar Galactica for all the right reasons!
It’s insane that this video has to be made… the story is not finished is exactly what I said when I watched the finale… that said I absolutely loved the show I guess I just wish the events of the ten episodes were stretched over multiple seasons…
You use the family name "Ishida" at the front, but when it is Tokugawa, you switch the other way, probably should made this more consistent.
I did it because in the show they were addressed as Ishido and Toranaga so I thought it would make it easier to digest when comparing. I understand where you're coming from though!
Tokagawa would never let William’s compatriots go. He might SAY he is, but they probably got “lost at sea”. That’s the Tokagawa that was introduced to us in this series. There was not one redeeming quality about any of those men, so what would be his incentive?
a lot of what this video attributes to Adams was actually done by or done to Jan Joosten van Lodensteyn who was the 2nd mate of the ship "de liefde".
While yes Adams was made to make western style ships for Tokugawa, it was van Lodensteyn who was made the main advisor on trade and foreign relations and was kept close at hand in Edo with a lavish estate where modern day tokyo central station is located.
Adams and the rest of the crew eventually did get permission to leave Japan if they wished to do so but van Lodensteyn was never given such permission since he was just too valuable and important to let go.
@@mrfun177you must be dutch 🤣🤣🤣
because he might wan to remain on good terms with English and/or Dutch. Remember the rebellion of these governments paralleled his own, demonstrated by the stated mitigating factor: "If we win". At the least he might want to continue to play off the warring factions against each other. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It would not be very strategic to kill sailors just because they had "no redeeming qualities". They also never really posed any threat. Nothing to be lost by letting them return home, and perhaps gain some good will.
@@mrfun177 Adams did do these things. There are historical records that substantiate it. I have seen the actual letters that Adams wrote and were written about him by contemporaries, that detail his activities, status and achievements in Japan. They were publicly exhibited a few years ago. The Dutch seem to think that in order to get equal recognition for Lodensteijn, who was not featured in Shogun, they need to denigrate Adams. One thing that also happened in real life is that the Dutch betrayed Adams, they destroyed the letters he asked them to convey back to England, as they didn't want the English to also begin trading with Japan. As this video explains though, he did eventually link up with an early English trade delegation there.
What about the cannons ? Did the Japanese learn to cast state of the art weapons ?
Where they used in the battle ?
@@JeffreyBodwell Yes and yes. Cannons were said to have been used at the battle of sekigahara by both sides, but I believe this fact is disputed. Cannons were 100% used at the siege of Osaka in 1615 by the Tokugawa. I believe it was even William Adam's own cannon that was used in that bombardment. Cannons we again used during the Meiji Restoration in great amounts, along with other more modern weapons.
What im curious about is if there are any descendents of William Adam's still in Japan.
Adams was allowed to leave Japan and return to England. He chose not to. After his death, when Japan went into isolation, even his children were banished and forced to go to Taiwan, I believe.
in real life, some of Blackthorne's men actually became samurais. i would live to see a spinoff series focused on them becoming samurai warriors.
you didnt talk about the most interesting character lol Mariko ? She died as depicted in the book/series ? Was she a good poet in real life ?
I think her haiku was the most stunning scenes of the show. I just cant get her out of my mind. Flowers are flowers because they fall.
The only part about her in Shogun that’s diverged from real life are probably her relationships with Blackthorne and Ochiba. The rest are in line with actual Hosokawa Gracia.
One sentence answer- watch Aoi Tokugawa Sandai
Haha yes! The best and comprehensive series ever talking about Sekigahara....and more 👍
In reading through the comments the thing that infuriates me the most is people assigning our morals and our way of life to something happening back in the 1600s. Their way of life was different than we are now. Plus we do not know their motivations or the way they thought because it was not written down. We can assign things that so and so did this because of that etc etc. But those are theories. And usually based on what people have in their own minds as opposed to trying to get into the mind of someone else. People are saying look how devious toronaga was. Well for the time, not very. Are you trying to tell me that the Western ways for any different in that? Not at all. And at that time in Japan and China for that matter, your loyalty was to your overlord and not your immediate family. This was to keep the area stable. Everything under one rule. People did not have the ability to go somewhere else as we do now. Very different time that you cannot compare this time and say this is what people did why.
the new version of this movie DEVIATE SIGNIFICANTLY with the BOOK. the 1980 version is more with the book
Tokugawa is the reason why Tokyo is the center of Japan now.
Funny thing is i watched shogun then went to blue eye samurai (both are based in 17th century japan, one after the other)
Makes made me realise that blackthorn''s successors must have been persecuted and had fled the country or be killed😢
I'm waiting when will Kenshin Himura appear
Some of the Lords of Japan were not Loyal to Ishida Mitsunari they were Loyal to Toyotomi Hideryori through her mother Yodo-dono.
Some Lords refuse to obey Ishida's order for reinforcement or to advance leading to unorganized defense on the western army.
And there was Kuroda Nagamasa, his army was a wild card but the moment he sent his army to flank Ishida's Army it was a lost cause.
Edit: Ishida Mitsunari was a hated noble. But he was loyal to the Toyotomi.
not being able to see toranaga become shogun is like not being able to see paul atredis become lisan al gaib
Is it selfish for me to want a season 2?
wait so the guy torunaga was based off of killed ochiba and her son? i feel so misled
Indeed! About 15 years after the events of shogun!
平岳大さんに思い馳せて、目を見張らんばかりの熟達ぶり、ひたすら感慨深くに！！
Godzilla Minus One Ending Explained plz
Toranaga was the villan in real life?
the show was great but i dont really understand why ochiba sided with toranaga. I undestand that its dramatic and poetic but its not realistic if she knew toranagas intent to become shogun which meant her son was in danger
KESSEN
It should have 12 episodes and end the show in the battle of sekigahara
I never read the books ao i dont know if it ends the same however i felt like it was very underwhelming. Ive had to watch youtube videos to figure out what happens in the end. I know we probably wont get a 2nd seaosn however i do feel like a couple of more episodes would of made this show so much better.
The focus of the book (and this TV series) is more on the political intrigue and the clashing of wills and personalities rather than the action of war. Remember that Toranaga early on in the show said "Why is it that the people who have never been in battle are the ones most eager for it?" or something to that effect.
TBH the series has many holes and could've been better. They couldn't decide to either focus on politics or romance. They also wasted the show duration with fillers and slow development. Should they rewrite the council of regents scheming/backstories it could've been better even without showing the final battle.