Priests use Heal for the vast majority of their healing in raids. PW:S is garbage unless it’s going to save someone from death from predictable damage (Geddon). Renew sucks because someone else will cast it and overwrote your buff. Flash Heal is almost half as mama efficient as Heal, and Gheal is too much healing 90% of the time.
at 4:48 or thereabouts you mistakenly identify the tier one disc talent Unbreakable Will as Mental Strength. Wanted to mention it in case it confuses new players.
You kept talking about desperate prayer as if it can instantly heal other people. However, desperate prayer only heals the caster. I find it similar to a free potion.
SHIELD: You dont use Shield except in case of extreme emergency on a tank (the loss of rage = loss of threat), you dont waste it on casters except if you can predict a damage on the char, otherwise you will go oom asap as since shield is the least mana efficient healing we have. TALENTS: Improved renew is usually just one priest per raid, since there can only be one renew on a char at time. Healing focus on the other hand is more or less a must have. Its not a very efficient talent since it only applies to base healing. SHADOWWEAVING: Is more efficiantly applied with swp rank 1, not mindflay, then reapplied with MB. due to the range difference in the spells. (30 vs 20).
Just want to add for anyone reading - shield is often useful to put on the tank just BEFORE combat starts, as you can regen that mana either by drinking or simply not casting until the tank has taken damage. It's also generally useful for pulling in spellcleave leveling etc
Hes right about the shadoweaving in some cases as swp takes up a debuff slot on the enemy which could be used for a much more powerfull spell, it all depends on the raid and what everyone decides on
As someone who's raided as a vanilla shadow priest, I much prefer running classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/priest/A8rByQAFz8hPE0A This spec allows you to try and proc Spirit Tap on adds on fights (Onyxia whelps, Nefarian adds/totems Horde side, C'thun tentacles). 5/5 Improved Mind Blast isn't needed. You want to line it up so that with your latency, you can cast Mindflay x2 followed by a Mind Blast, but the longer the fights, the less MB you will cast. Also, if you're running Vampiric Embrace on a fight, you best be talented into threat reduction. For AQ20/40, a few talents can get swapped around for fights that require Mana Burn classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/priest/A8rBxwAFz8hPE0A Same deal, slightly more cast on your instants (SW:Pain) but will bring more use to your raid. Blackout is essentially useless in a raid situation. Some use in dungeons, but overall not worth it over Spirit Tap for PvE.
Thanks again for providing this depth of knowledge and insight into your videos. It's great to hear not only what different talent specs are viable but when and why certain specs are used in raids and how that changes over time is so far beyond what anyone else is doing.
@@IamAliveTv I believe it. I wouldn't ask you to cover everything for us. I'd probably end up confused and conflicted on what I'd want to do anyhow if that was the case. As another note, I really liked how you used different in game graphics and game footage in this one. To get everything together like that has to be a time consuming endeavor. You definitely deserve more subs and I'm sure it's just a matter of time.
@@vrico222 I hope so. Personally, my goal is to be able to make a living off RUclips and twitch by the time classic launches so I can go hardcore so my community can watch. Currently I'm a college guy living paycheck to paycheck though 😂 and need to improve my audio quality badly
@Brad Luck Yes, but it all really depends on gear choice and designated healing role. Contrary to popular opinion, there's a fairly wide variety of spells and ranks of spells to choose from.
Great video, keep up the good work! You sounded like you were very interested in what you were talking about, which made the video very pleasant to watch
I know you probably have a lot of video requests, and I noticed a lot of caster videos in a row. I see a lot of conflicting information on how to best level a hunter, less so when it comes to end game talent builds. I also know that people say hunter has one of the highest skill caps of any class. Why is that so? What makes a good hunter good and what makes a bad hunter bad? Could you consider doing a video on this? I love how in depth these guides are.
Problem he has is, hes only got till summer this year when Classic comes out to get his subscribers becuase by then everyone will be playing Classic and not watching videos lol. Joke
troll priest got the highest healing per sec in 10sec ( ZG trinket>demonic rune > beserking) is a -70% cast time for 10 sec combo. you pump any tank up for that 10sec or AOE heal the whole team
I wonder what happened to the „5 second rule”, as of setting up between healing team in the raid windows of opportunity for higher mana regeneration to kick in. At one point it was quite a thing, benefitting priests the most due to their high spirit stats. Pre-casting GH and interrupting it if tank is ok also helped in getting those high mana regeneration windows.
@@IamAliveTv Thanks for clarifying that - I guess meta shifted to optimizing threat generation and stacking DPS more, late vanilla patches also have much better gear for that purpose compared to the crappy itemization of the early WoW.
@@absolutefolly2011 Yeah I know. But not what I'm looking for. It's like every Class Guide about Priests who says: Priests are the best Healer in Classic. I want an in Depth Discussion about it. Hardcore Raiding is more than Shamen and Paladins. The whole economics and players pool is different, when you play Hardcore on the Horde Side. Which has Pros and Cons.
@@sirroderickponcevonfontleb3064 honestly, priest isn't the "best". Healers are pretty balanced in vanilla. Paladins never oom, priests have bubbles and big +heal, shamans aoe heal and have tons of utility. The only healing class that is lacking a little is druid
@@IamAliveTv Yeah but that is what most Guides say. My point was, Paladins have Salvation and Shamen have Windfury, is something I can come up for myself. I would be more interested in a more in depth discussion. That's why I appreciate your vids, much more in depth about Priests, and what their job is in each faction.
Power word shield is not used nearly as much as you say for two reasons. It is not mana efficient to use, heals are generally much better. Secondly, a lot of tanks dislike being power word shielded since they don't get rage on hits that were absorbed by power word shield. I don't know if this is true for raids since tanks seem to might as well get unlimited rage during raid fights due to the amount of damage, but I assume that the priest would rather just use heal instead due to the mana involved, unless there was no other choice.
he doesn't say it's used a lot. He says PW:S is great to use before bosses big damage (like shadowflame in BWL) or to setup for big incoming raid damage (BWL trash, vael). So no, There are situation where you would rather PW:S rather than heal.
@@MrVolke13 He did say you want to spam it on your casters to prevent spell pushback, which i think isnt a great idea. Let the casters suffer the pushback so you dont go oom in 5 seconds.
I think the 5-second rule and threat management would have been important inclusions, particularly for those who are only experienced with modern mana regen / tank threat.
Good point! I think threat management is a guide by itself, but the 5 second rule is something that can be brought up. However, waiting 5 seconds for Regen while in the middle of a fight isn't so much of a "thing" as it was back in the day. This is simply because people know how to gear properly and play properly. Meaning bosses die significantly quicker. But still a good point!
Probably one of the more well-informed priest guides I've seen so far. Nice job. I have some constructive criticism if you're open to it. Looks like other people pointed out the desperate prayer error. First, for MT healing, an explanation of cancel healing (or whatever you want to call it) and why and when to use it might help some players be a little more well-rounded. Second, I'm curious why you went 5/5 in Improved MB, since 4/5 is the most you need in a spell rotation with MF being a 3 second channel. 5/5 gives you a 5.5 sec cooldown on MB, which is a waste when casting back to back MFs. Also, 5/5 in Shadow focus puts you over the hit cap, which makes a negligible difference in raid DPS. At most, it should be 4/5, but ideally 3/5 since that puts you at the cap. 4/5 Imp MB and 4/5 Shadow Focus frees up two points to max out Mental Agility. Personally I go with 3/5 Imp MB and 3/5 Shadow Focus, which frees up the points to max Mental Agility and two points to put into Shadow Affinity (or one point each in Wand Spec and Imp VE for the hell of it). Third, I've always thought Holy Nova was fun, but a gimmicky waste. Also, if you're not going 2/2 in Holy Reach, you might as well go 0/2 and put the point from there and Holy Nova into 2/2 Healing Focus, but I suppose that's all a matter of preference. If you really want Holy Reach, then get Holy Nova, and go 1/3 in Imp Renew (that might reduce your overheals a little) so you can get 2/2 in Holy Reach, but I really think Healing Focus is much more valuable. Divine Fury is also a talent that you can get away with 3/5 in since it really only applies to Greater Heals - a spell you only use in limited situations and the less you spec in Divine Fury, the bigger the heal. I'd like to see you go more in depth about specs, spell rotations, downranking, more specific healing roles, how to keep from overhealing, and gear. Specifically Spirit vs mp5 and when to use each.
Great video, mate, very helpful :^). You're one of the coolest looking dudes I've seen, I cannot believe what I'm seeing, and I mean this in the best way possible.
Is the pushback talent not worth more than 2 points into imp renew? Renew isn’t used that much as it’s mana inefficient but also doesn’t heal for much, so an extra 10% isn’t much.
Wanna give you a tip mate, the sound from your mic is a bit tearing, it has a static quality to it. Maybe consider upgrading the mic to something with one of those mufflers on the mic.Thought of mentioning this as you obviously put down a lot of effort into making a good piece of work. Cheers
I actually have a mic just like you're saying. It's my room that is the problem. I have a small room and there is a lot of echo when I record videos. The headset you see me wearing is not actually the mic I use to record the video
Wait, did Holy Nova heal people outside of the 5man party the Priest is in? I'm not sure about that one, but I have no way to fact check that real fast at the moment. Eitherway, nice video man. As a Priest player myself it's refreshing to see someone else that actually knows what he's talking about.
Shadow: Improved Mind Blast is not needed for PvE, costs too much mana and it has additional threat. Also when playing Shadow PvE you shouldn't take Improved Fortitude and PW:S, that's Healer Duty. Reduced threat and Improved Mana Burn are far better.
I always roll tailoring but how does one get engineering and tailoring? Mining/ engineering to level and then drop mining and level tailoring? I kinda always liked being able to craft clothes while leveling.
You should take Tailoring and a gathering profession such as Mining or Herbalism. Tailoring is easy and gives you access to making some great pieces along the way. This makes it appropriate to have while levelling. Gathering gives you additional income as you level. This will help you with affording mounts and training. Engineering is not required for the levelling experience whatsoever and is just for optimal PVP/raiding. You can go through Gnomish + Goblin engineering later when you have little else to spend money on. Tailoring is worth holding onto even after you pick up Engineering as it allows you to make the Bloodvine set as well as Glacial. Priests suck at competing with stealth classes for gathering. Don't make the same mistake I did dropping tailoring for that. You'll find yourself just wanting to go back to Tailoring.
Nice video. A bit offtopic question: is it worth it to create a character just for farming? I'm thinking of making main rogue and alt frost mage to AOE farm, but I'm not sure if time spent on leveling mage pay off. So far I estimated my leveling to 60 in 10-12 days played time (around 2-3 month in real life). My upper bound in gold need is equal to 100 arcanite bars (Thunderfury is my dream, though I seriously doubt I can get anywhere close to it). Maybe just get lvl35 with alchemy/tailoring to sell CD's or don't even bother and farm with rogue main?
As a rogue I highly highly highly doubt you will get thunderfury. It'd go to 2 or 3 tanks before a rogue unless you bribe some corrupt officer. However to answer your question, people level mages quite often as their farming alt.
Another great and informative video brah. You seem to love engineering spec huh?. Besides for the tank cause he can make that shield that electrocutes all enemies in front of him, I don't see much use for engineering for pve. But it's all about preference. Keep up the good work.
Can you make a Druid healing video please. I’m considering making resto Druid for classic and there isn’t too many resto Druid guides around. Keep up the good work 😊.
It was long time ago since i played wow,,there was NO wowhead, and items that where worn by top players where not even listed on thottbot,,, Aaanyways, my friend rolled a fat dorf priest, and he was wearing greens items with +healing. Thing is about item bonuses back then is that u get certain % of +healing and damage u get from the,, the more the ,,shinier,, the item,less bonus u would get.It s not that u get actually what is wrtten on,,xample +100 healing on epic item would give u 50%- 70% of + bonus to +heal or damage,, BUT green items, would give u i think entire or 90% of +healing/spell bonus.Donno if thats how it works on pirate servers tho... So +healing wands and green items like that where regularly swaped in raids,to boost that healing,,epics where just to show off in IF =P English is not my first langueage,so i hope this makes some sence,, anyways greeting from Croatia (=...
I am going to level as a holy/disc priest. It's very slow (compaired to shadow) but you learn alot along the way about rotations ect. that become 2nd nature. It also keeps all your weapon and defense skill up. Thats how i levled in vanila wow with my priest so going to do it agin :) . I am not in hurry to get to 60 in classic wow anyway becouse its all about the journey.
Improved renew over healing focus.... desperate prayer cast on others... just redo this guide. Improved renew is almost useless except for one priest (a human if you are alliance) on maexxna in naxxramas. While healing focus is one of the most important talents in the whole holy tree. You are also skipping the human racial +5% spirit, which trumps fear ward on every fight in the game except 4. 3 of which are in the starter raids, and not really that important as it is easy to do the fights without it.
Axel Kriborg did I say it makes a huge difference? None of the priest racials makes a huge difference in pve. Fear ward does nothing for you at all in fights that do not have the fear mechanism (which is most of the fights). Someone will play dwarf for the looks or whatever (usually the insecure newbies, that think that they will not be able to raid unless they have fear ward) so there is no real reason to gimp yourself and play dwarf if you do want to play as a priest but so not like the race. Mathematically human has the strongest racial in pve. You can’t really argue against that unless you are in the kind of guild that struggle on bosses like magmadar and onyxia. Remember that the wast majority of the people that will play classic will not play the game to compete in speed runs of Molten Core and BWL, which is the only argument at all for saying that dwarf has better pve racials than humans.
@@mr.voidroy6869 It does not, also mp5 is in 99,9% of the cases better to stack than spirit. Its really underwhelming when you compare it to fear ward. Even if theres "only" 4 bosses that requires fear ward, thats 4 bosses a week that gets easier, cause youll be farming them for ages. Also theres countless amount of trashpacks that iun many cases (such as AQ40) are just as hard as some of the bosses, where fear ward is huge. Just play dwarf.
I dont usually get hyped for any game but classic wow is a different matter. It was my first MMO i played in Vanilla.I loved it and apart from loads of new grey hairs, divorced and middle aged spread its going to be the same again. This time like i will NOT have a nagging ex wife on my back moaning when i spending time raiding with my guild than spending time with her watching shitty soap operas lol.
@@zmajooov Wrong. Going holy pre lv 40 lets you start fights with holy fire/Smite, which lets you deal more damage if you have excess mana. your not spamming smite, you maybe use it 1-2 times per mob, or not even at all depending on the rank of the spell in comparison to others. If your going to say things that going for holy is retarted, then I recommend you to look at Kargoz's priest leveling guide, and specifially look at slide 28, and explain to me why he is incorrect using subject material that is equilivant to his research, sence, i assume your an expert because you can rationlaize calling people retarted for saying a fact. docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qkfexjgWuZhNko5Ht94Qxxni2r1OIhFFBIWDxbhC5Wg/edit#slide=id.g456bc58517_2_172
@@mr.voidroy6869 rofl, you get the same effect with mind blast that has 1.5sec cast time and if invested in shadow lower cooldown, no need to spam shield to waste your mana since you are wanding anyway. gtfo
Fear ward is stupidly overrated... is a good spell but just for a few bosses and on pvp is dispelled easy, humans are better, they can heal more than ugly dwarfs
His voice reminds me of those workplace safety videos lol
oh man i knew there was somethign that felt super cheesy about how he talked....u nailed it
LMAO!! So true
unfortunately you never mention anything about mana management and which rank healing spells to use.
I came here for this
I thought Holy Nova only healed your party just like prayer of healing does.
Isn't Desperate prayer self target instant heal only? you said use it as an emergency heal on a tank? am i wrong?
No you aren't wrong. I mispoke
Priests use Heal for the vast majority of their healing in raids. PW:S is garbage unless it’s going to save someone from death from predictable damage (Geddon). Renew sucks because someone else will cast it and overwrote your buff. Flash Heal is almost half as mama efficient as Heal, and Gheal is too much healing 90% of the time.
That's why you downrank GH2.
at 4:48 or thereabouts you mistakenly identify the tier one disc talent Unbreakable Will as Mental Strength. Wanted to mention it in case it confuses new players.
You kept talking about desperate prayer as if it can instantly heal other people. However, desperate prayer only heals the caster. I find it similar to a free potion.
He points this out after saying it.
SHIELD: You dont use Shield except in case of extreme emergency on a tank (the loss of rage = loss of threat), you dont waste it on casters except if you can predict a damage on the char, otherwise you will go oom asap as since shield is the least mana efficient healing we have.
TALENTS: Improved renew is usually just one priest per raid, since there can only be one renew on a char at time. Healing focus on the other hand is more or less a must have. Its not a very efficient talent since it only applies to base healing.
SHADOWWEAVING: Is more efficiantly applied with swp rank 1, not mindflay, then reapplied with MB. due to the range difference in the spells. (30 vs 20).
Just want to add for anyone reading - shield is often useful to put on the tank just BEFORE combat starts, as you can regen that mana either by drinking or simply not casting until the tank has taken damage.
It's also generally useful for pulling in spellcleave leveling etc
Hes right about the shadoweaving in some cases as swp takes up a debuff slot on the enemy which could be used for a much more powerfull spell, it all depends on the raid and what everyone decides on
great video as always, one thing though: desperate prayer can only be used to heal yourself!
Anyone who says NE priest suck have never Cliff - Shadow meld - Mind control and waved goodbye to their enemies.
Good luck when 70% of horde is Undead.
As someone who's raided as a vanilla shadow priest, I much prefer running
classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/priest/A8rByQAFz8hPE0A
This spec allows you to try and proc Spirit Tap on adds on fights (Onyxia whelps, Nefarian adds/totems Horde side, C'thun tentacles). 5/5 Improved Mind Blast isn't needed. You want to line it up so that with your latency, you can cast Mindflay x2 followed by a Mind Blast, but the longer the fights, the less MB you will cast. Also, if you're running Vampiric Embrace on a fight, you best be talented into threat reduction.
For AQ20/40, a few talents can get swapped around for fights that require Mana Burn
classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/priest/A8rBxwAFz8hPE0A
Same deal, slightly more cast on your instants (SW:Pain) but will bring more use to your raid.
Blackout is essentially useless in a raid situation. Some use in dungeons, but overall not worth it over Spirit Tap for PvE.
Thanks again for providing this depth of knowledge and insight into your videos. It's great to hear not only what different talent specs are viable but when and why certain specs are used in raids and how that changes over time is so far beyond what anyone else is doing.
There are like 10 more talent trees I could've included for deep holy weaving, and other variations, but only so much can fit into one video!
@@IamAliveTv I believe it. I wouldn't ask you to cover everything for us. I'd probably end up confused and conflicted on what I'd want to do anyhow if that was the case. As another note, I really liked how you used different in game graphics and game footage in this one. To get everything together like that has to be a time consuming endeavor. You definitely deserve more subs and I'm sure it's just a matter of time.
@@vrico222 I hope so. Personally, my goal is to be able to make a living off RUclips and twitch by the time classic launches so I can go hardcore so my community can watch. Currently I'm a college guy living paycheck to paycheck though 😂 and need to improve my audio quality badly
"PI Holy", aka Discipline
Pretty sure he means PI/Holy. Kind of like how people say Holy/Disc, or Fury/Prot.
Holy nova's healing is also party bound by the way, so PoH and flash heals are the main raid healing spells of priests.
isn't Flash heal very expensive? I thought I heard it was a down ranked Heal or Greater heal rank 3/or 4
@Brad Luck Yes, but it all really depends on gear choice and designated healing role. Contrary to popular opinion, there's a fairly wide variety of spells and ranks of spells to choose from.
Massive Healing Output! (Classic WoW Priest PvE Guide) ....... this was a class overview.
Nice content and videocant wait for next one
Great video, keep up the good work! You sounded like you were very interested in what you were talking about, which made the video very pleasant to watch
previously i was strictly warrior for classic but your videos are making me rethink my decision. I love and hate you for that
How you don't have more traffic is beyond me.
I know you probably have a lot of video requests, and I noticed a lot of caster videos in a row. I see a lot of conflicting information on how to best level a hunter, less so when it comes to end game talent builds. I also know that people say hunter has one of the highest skill caps of any class. Why is that so? What makes a good hunter good and what makes a bad hunter bad? Could you consider doing a video on this? I love how in depth these guides are.
Yes! Finally! Waited for this class guide!
What about raid healing? It sounds like you where just reading a wowhead article on how to heal a priest...
Ill probably do a guide on that in the next few weeks tbh.
Still you are criminally undersubscribed
Well, I am counting on you to make 500,000 RUclips accounts and subscribe to me. Kappa
Also subscribe to pewdiepie
@@madskonradsen3042 of course I'm subbed to pewdiepie. I'm not some heathen
Problem he has is, hes only got till summer this year when Classic comes out to get his subscribers becuase by then everyone will be playing Classic and not watching videos lol. Joke
Agree this guy is gonna lead the content come the summer - keep up the top content /-)
troll priest got the highest healing per sec in 10sec ( ZG trinket>demonic rune > beserking) is a -70% cast time for 10 sec combo. you pump any tank up for that 10sec or AOE heal the whole team
These are really nice overviews on the classes, keep it up!
I wonder what happened to the „5 second rule”, as of setting up between healing team in the raid windows of opportunity for higher mana regeneration to kick in. At one point it was quite a thing, benefitting priests the most due to their high spirit stats. Pre-casting GH and interrupting it if tank is ok also helped in getting those high mana regeneration windows.
People do not really predesign teams/timings for the 5sec spirit to kick in. Nowadays bosses die much faster than back in the day
@@IamAliveTv Thanks for clarifying that - I guess meta shifted to optimizing threat generation and stacking DPS more, late vanilla patches also have much better gear for that purpose compared to the crappy itemization of the early WoW.
Yo dude we love your videos! When is the ret paladin #1 dps video releasing? Much love haha thanks man
based and retpilled
Dwarf Priest or Tauren Druid. Gonna be a tough choice...
Do you plan on talking about Horde vs Alliance Hardcore Raiding, Pros and Cons? Cheers.
Actually, that is coming pretty soon. Will likely be one of my "let's talk" videos coming up
@@IamAliveTv Nice, looking forward to that one.
@@absolutefolly2011 Yeah I know. But not what I'm looking for. It's like every Class Guide about Priests who says: Priests are the best Healer in Classic.
I want an in Depth Discussion about it.
Hardcore Raiding is more than Shamen and Paladins.
The whole economics and players pool is different, when you play Hardcore on the Horde Side. Which has Pros and Cons.
@@sirroderickponcevonfontleb3064 honestly, priest isn't the "best". Healers are pretty balanced in vanilla. Paladins never oom, priests have bubbles and big +heal, shamans aoe heal and have tons of utility. The only healing class that is lacking a little is druid
@@IamAliveTv Yeah but that is what most Guides say. My point was, Paladins have Salvation and Shamen have Windfury, is something I can come up for myself.
I would be more interested in a more in depth discussion.
That's why I appreciate your vids, much more in depth about Priests, and what their job is in each faction.
Very interesting and for a first time Priest , informative.
Do you have a guide for levelling as a priest? But with a friend, so maybe prioritise dungeons, and large pull of mobs.
Great video clear and to the point you didn't drag anything on keep up the good work!
Hey i really enjoyed your video, thanks for putting this together.
Desperate Prayer is a self heal only I had such high hopes for this channel :(
I am aware. I'm working on fixing this. I wrote it properly on my written guide but misspoke when I recorded the video
Desperate prayer will only save your life, it can't be cast on anyone else but yourself
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Power word shield is not used nearly as much as you say for two reasons. It is not mana efficient to use, heals are generally much better. Secondly, a lot of tanks dislike being power word shielded since they don't get rage on hits that were absorbed by power word shield. I don't know if this is true for raids since tanks seem to might as well get unlimited rage during raid fights due to the amount of damage, but I assume that the priest would rather just use heal instead due to the mana involved, unless there was no other choice.
he doesn't say it's used a lot. He says PW:S is great to use before bosses big damage (like shadowflame in BWL) or to setup for big incoming raid damage (BWL trash, vael). So no, There are situation where you would rather PW:S rather than heal.
@@MrVolke13 He did say you want to spam it on your casters to prevent spell pushback, which i think isnt a great idea. Let the casters suffer the pushback so you dont go oom in 5 seconds.
@@mr.voidroy6869 You're supposed to preshield casters when they go in for AOE so they don't die to any return damage.
I think the 5-second rule and threat management would have been important inclusions, particularly for those who are only experienced with modern mana regen / tank threat.
Good point! I think threat management is a guide by itself, but the 5 second rule is something that can be brought up. However, waiting 5 seconds for Regen while in the middle of a fight isn't so much of a "thing" as it was back in the day. This is simply because people know how to gear properly and play properly. Meaning bosses die significantly quicker. But still a good point!
@@IamAliveTv MP5 and waiting in battle for mana is still big on Priests in classic.
Probably one of the more well-informed priest guides I've seen so far. Nice job. I have some constructive criticism if you're open to it. Looks like other people pointed out the desperate prayer error.
First, for MT healing, an explanation of cancel healing (or whatever you want to call it) and why and when to use it might help some players be a little more well-rounded.
Second, I'm curious why you went 5/5 in Improved MB, since 4/5 is the most you need in a spell rotation with MF being a 3 second channel. 5/5 gives you a 5.5 sec cooldown on MB, which is a waste when casting back to back MFs. Also, 5/5 in Shadow focus puts you over the hit cap, which makes a negligible difference in raid DPS. At most, it should be 4/5, but ideally 3/5 since that puts you at the cap. 4/5 Imp MB and 4/5 Shadow Focus frees up two points to max out Mental Agility. Personally I go with 3/5 Imp MB and 3/5 Shadow Focus, which frees up the points to max Mental Agility and two points to put into Shadow Affinity (or one point each in Wand Spec and Imp VE for the hell of it).
Third, I've always thought Holy Nova was fun, but a gimmicky waste. Also, if you're not going 2/2 in Holy Reach, you might as well go 0/2 and put the point from there and Holy Nova into 2/2 Healing Focus, but I suppose that's all a matter of preference. If you really want Holy Reach, then get Holy Nova, and go 1/3 in Imp Renew (that might reduce your overheals a little) so you can get 2/2 in Holy Reach, but I really think Healing Focus is much more valuable. Divine Fury is also a talent that you can get away with 3/5 in since it really only applies to Greater Heals - a spell you only use in limited situations and the less you spec in Divine Fury, the bigger the heal.
I'd like to see you go more in depth about specs, spell rotations, downranking, more specific healing roles, how to keep from overhealing, and gear. Specifically Spirit vs mp5 and when to use each.
Loved this video, super helpful bud :)
Great video again, lots more energy in voice as well.
Great video, mate, very helpful :^). You're one of the coolest looking dudes I've seen, I cannot believe what I'm seeing, and I mean this in the best way possible.
Is the pushback talent not worth more than 2 points into imp renew? Renew isn’t used that much as it’s mana inefficient but also doesn’t heal for much, so an extra 10% isn’t much.
Wanna give you a tip mate, the sound from your mic is a bit tearing, it has a static quality to it. Maybe consider upgrading the mic to something with one of those mufflers on the mic.Thought of mentioning this as you obviously put down a lot of effort into making a good piece of work. Cheers
I actually have a mic just like you're saying. It's my room that is the problem. I have a small room and there is a lot of echo when I record videos. The headset you see me wearing is not actually the mic I use to record the video
Ok, if that is the problem, look into acoustic panels. Not that expensive and actually quite i think.
Wait, did Holy Nova heal people outside of the 5man party the Priest is in?
I'm not sure about that one, but I have no way to fact check that real fast at the moment.
Eitherway, nice video man. As a Priest player myself it's refreshing to see someone else that actually knows what he's talking about.
The ability it self says it heals party members.
Great content, thx for the effort
Shadow:
Improved Mind Blast is not needed for PvE, costs too much mana and it has additional threat.
Also when playing Shadow PvE you shouldn't take Improved Fortitude and PW:S, that's Healer Duty. Reduced threat and Improved Mana Burn are far better.
I agree about mind blast. However, I left it in the spec for quality of life purposes. It is one of the optional talents in the build.
Do you do any PVP? How does healing in pvp differ from pve healing?
yes i do pvp, but that series is coming later
I'd like to see how you level and PvP with mage lock priest n more classes if you want
I always roll tailoring but how does one get engineering and tailoring? Mining/ engineering to level and then drop mining and level tailoring? I kinda always liked being able to craft clothes while leveling.
You should take Tailoring and a gathering profession such as Mining or Herbalism. Tailoring is easy and gives you access to making some great pieces along the way. This makes it appropriate to have while levelling. Gathering gives you additional income as you level. This will help you with affording mounts and training. Engineering is not required for the levelling experience whatsoever and is just for optimal PVP/raiding. You can go through Gnomish + Goblin engineering later when you have little else to spend money on. Tailoring is worth holding onto even after you pick up Engineering as it allows you to make the Bloodvine set as well as Glacial. Priests suck at competing with stealth classes for gathering. Don't make the same mistake I did dropping tailoring for that. You'll find yourself just wanting to go back to Tailoring.
all very interesting, but the video you are showing is not from classic
Nice video. A bit offtopic question: is it worth it to create a character just for farming? I'm thinking of making main rogue and alt frost mage to AOE farm, but I'm not sure if time spent on leveling mage pay off. So far I estimated my leveling to 60 in 10-12 days played time (around 2-3 month in real life). My upper bound in gold need is equal to 100 arcanite bars (Thunderfury is my dream, though I seriously doubt I can get anywhere close to it). Maybe just get lvl35 with alchemy/tailoring to sell CD's or don't even bother and farm with rogue main?
As a rogue I highly highly highly doubt you will get thunderfury. It'd go to 2 or 3 tanks before a rogue unless you bribe some corrupt officer. However to answer your question, people level mages quite often as their farming alt.
@@IamAliveTv Thanks, can't wait to start playing))
Another great and informative video brah. You seem to love engineering spec huh?. Besides for the tank cause he can make that shield that electrocutes all enemies in front of him, I don't see much use for engineering for pve. But it's all about preference. Keep up the good work.
Can you do a holy Paladin vid? +1 keep up the great work!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO he will cast divine shield on tank XD
but what proffesions should a priest have in order to make gold? to get his mount, etc?
Alchemy or selling bags I guess.
Top stuff....greatness.
1. desperate prayer on other players 2. holy nova to heal players outside of your grp 3. not getting healing focus
Healing focus is the most important holy talent, agreed.
Hi, what is the name of the addon showing dots above mob nameplates? thanks.
Can you make a Druid healing video please. I’m considering making resto Druid for classic and there isn’t too many resto Druid guides around. Keep up the good work 😊.
Hello, firstly thumbs up for the nice content. Secondly can you make Paladin class video. Keep up the good work!
Hi AltiveTV is possible for you share your addons for classic or addon list ?
Desperate Prayer will only save YOUR life since you can only cast it on yourself.
Does he realize Desperate Prayer only works on yourself?
You dont spec renew as a priest in raiding. Its healing output for its mana cost is simply not worth it
It's also based on the baseline and doesn't scale. It's complete garbage and him recommending it made me not wanna trust the video.
what !? Renew Heals the target of 100 % of spellpower ... sounds not classic (11:09 )
Atleast on that he is right. Look up the formular. Dots lasting 15 secs fain the 100%>
great video
Feel like you just reading the wowhead classic priest guide. Its exactly the same
It's because that is my guide XD. look at the description of this video
still not sure if i'm going to play druid or priest :/
Great content. Deserved like and subscribe.
LOL you mention classic but you are playing retail in the background...
What about M... :) (priest is my current main class in Classic)
Hey man, I really like your videos! I may sound a bit needy but I would like to request a druid guide :D
you said for healing players outside of your party you can use holy nova? is that accurate?
no, only heals party
It was long time ago since i played wow,,there was NO wowhead, and items that where worn by top players where not even listed on thottbot,,, Aaanyways, my friend rolled a fat dorf priest, and he was wearing greens items with +healing.
Thing is about item bonuses back then is that u get certain % of +healing and damage u get from the,, the more the ,,shinier,, the item,less bonus u would get.It s not that u get actually what is wrtten on,,xample +100 healing on epic item would give u 50%- 70% of + bonus to +heal or damage,, BUT green items, would give u i think entire or 90% of +healing/spell bonus.Donno if thats how it works on pirate servers tho...
So +healing wands and green items like that where regularly swaped in raids,to boost that healing,,epics where just to show off in IF =P
English is not my first langueage,so i hope this makes some sence,, anyways greeting from Croatia (=...
I am going to level as a holy/disc priest. It's very slow (compaired to shadow) but you learn alot along the way about rotations ect. that become 2nd nature. It also keeps all your weapon and defense skill up. Thats how i levled in vanila wow with my priest so going to do it agin :) . I am not in hurry to get to 60 in classic wow anyway becouse its all about the journey.
I must say it again. Same as in Shaman healing video.. U FORGOT MUDAFUKA OILS as reagents ;D
ban RP Nightelf priests!!!! sick video , can't wait for classic. keep it up
You can't use PW: Shield outside your party either.
Wrong. You can use it on anyone in your raid
Holy nova is also group based like prayer of healing.... if u wonder why downvote...
This is the sweatiest tryhard build I have seen so far. Take from that what you wish.
Good guide, besides it would be nice to actually see your priest using the abilities u are speaking about - sry for bad english
Improved renew over healing focus.... desperate prayer cast on others... just redo this guide. Improved renew is almost useless except for one priest (a human if you are alliance) on maexxna in naxxramas. While healing focus is one of the most important talents in the whole holy tree. You are also skipping the human racial +5% spirit, which trumps fear ward on every fight in the game except 4. 3 of which are in the starter raids, and not really that important as it is easy to do the fights without it.
Youre truely dense if you think 5% BASE spirit is better than fear ward, the human spirit does not stack with gear.
Axel Kriborg did I say it makes a huge difference? None of the priest racials makes a huge difference in pve. Fear ward does nothing for you at all in fights that do not have the fear mechanism (which is most of the fights). Someone will play dwarf for the looks or whatever (usually the insecure newbies, that think that they will not be able to raid unless they have fear ward) so there is no real reason to gimp yourself and play dwarf if you do want to play as a priest but so not like the race. Mathematically human has the strongest racial in pve. You can’t really argue against that unless you are in the kind of guild that struggle on bosses like magmadar and onyxia.
Remember that the wast majority of the people that will play classic will not play the game to compete in speed runs of Molten Core and BWL, which is the only argument at all for saying that dwarf has better pve racials than humans.
@@axelkriborg3153 So it just gives you 5%x 23 spirit (The base spirit stat humans have?) I heard other things that this DOES stack with gear.
@@mr.voidroy6869 It does not, also mp5 is in 99,9% of the cases better to stack than spirit. Its really underwhelming when you compare it to fear ward. Even if theres "only" 4 bosses that requires fear ward, thats 4 bosses a week that gets easier, cause youll be farming them for ages. Also theres countless amount of trashpacks that iun many cases (such as AQ40) are just as hard as some of the bosses, where fear ward is huge. Just play dwarf.
In your intro you sound just like Anakin Skywalker from revenge of the sith when he is grown up to me. Anyone else hear it?
He says alot of work went into this, I litearlly see no work being put into this at all
Yay another Alive vid x-D
I thought you said "mana-hours" :P
Do not copy these talent builds
holy shit your audio is clipping horribly. how can you not hear that...?
I dont usually get hyped for any game but classic wow is a different matter. It was my first MMO i played in Vanilla.I loved it and apart from loads of new grey hairs, divorced and middle aged spread its going to be the same again. This time like i will NOT have a nagging ex wife on my back moaning when i spending time raiding with my guild than spending time with her watching shitty soap operas lol.
improved renew is a troll talent, the worst value out of the entire tree
Your videos are awesome. That being said... You should really buy a better mic :)
A new mic is the first thing on my list. I'm just broke at the moment. $8,000 in hospital bills
Oh shit.. Ok :) In that case it's understandable. Good luck man
Dont forget Holy is a better Damage Dealer till lvl 40 ;-)
nop, you specc into wands then life tap then continue down the shadow tree
@@zmajooov well its a fact...that was not a question.
@@izidor i am stating that going holy for the purpose of damage is retarded, spec shadow and wands, that is much more dps than holy
@@zmajooov Wrong. Going holy pre lv 40 lets you start fights with holy fire/Smite, which lets you deal more damage if you have excess mana. your not spamming smite, you maybe use it 1-2 times per mob, or not even at all depending on the rank of the spell in comparison to others.
If your going to say things that going for holy is retarted, then I recommend you to look at Kargoz's priest leveling guide, and specifially look at slide 28, and explain to me why he is incorrect using subject material that is equilivant to his research, sence, i assume your an expert because you can rationlaize calling people retarted for saying a fact.
docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qkfexjgWuZhNko5Ht94Qxxni2r1OIhFFBIWDxbhC5Wg/edit#slide=id.g456bc58517_2_172
@@mr.voidroy6869 rofl, you get the same effect with mind blast that has 1.5sec cast time and if invested in shadow lower cooldown, no need to spam shield to waste your mana since you are wanding anyway. gtfo
Please upgrade your microphone.
That's the first thing I am working on.
Fear ward is stupidly overrated... is a good spell but just for a few bosses and on pvp is dispelled easy, humans are better, they can heal more than ugly dwarfs
Change Holy Nova to Spirit of Redemption
you can't
Lmao power word sheild on casters... right... More like spam heal rank 5 until boss dies
guys not even 60
woyer
Improved Renew is trash. Complete waste of points.
God the only thing useful in the video were the pictures of the talent trees, everything else was just inaccurate or flat wrong
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