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Both sides of the story: Buff Bagwell vs Jim Ross
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2015
- Every story has 2 sides. In these interviews Marcus "Buff" Bagwell and Jim Ross both give their interpretations of an incident that occurred in WWF in 2001. Marcus claims Jim Ross "ruined his career" after he was let go by the company following a couple of incidents. Do you think he was unfairly dismissed? Is there a conspiracy?
I finally got it, he sounds like an adult Bobby Hill!
Eric Cook yes!!
that boy ain't right
He was in a adult movie with Julie strain
I always thought Jim Ross LOOKED like an adult Bobby Hill.
You didn't know that the Bobby character is based off Buff Bagwell?
My agenda wasn’t to sabotage careers, I just did it.
- Jim Ross
I went into this thinking I would believe JR, but I actually believe buff is telling the truth here.
+Blake Martin Exactly the same
I agree, JR is hiding. He didn't deny any specifics of it, just kept saying he had nothing against Bagwell and didn't go behind his back.....and we don't know if JR had much to do with the decision - or exactly why it was made, but it sounds like Bagwell's version of events may be true.
Theres no reason for JR to make up such a story nor were there any other instances where any other wrestler said JR made up stories prior to releasing them.
Lee Lee there is a reason, so he doesn't look bad
Yes he sure is.
Jim didn't explain anything
The way to tell a liar from someone telling the truth the liar will tell a story make themselves out to be the victim and always blame someone else Ross was like I head it all before here is the deal and yadda yadda yadda but no embellishments no drawn out sob story
@@McStarkiller666 Well JR is a liar.
Cause he is lying and spewing a load of BS.
@@fernicusmaximus9282 You mean j.r. yeah he is.
Not a fan of JR, never was. Something slimey about the guy, I wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw an aircraft carrier
Buff has way too many specifics about this story for him to be lying. My guess is Vince had JR do it and used the excuse of his mom calling up.
Don't forget about the Bart Gunn incident too. I wouldn't put it past JR to sabotage Bagwell's career, but it was probably ordered by Vince. I think they fired him because they could, not because he deserved it.
JR never sabotage anyone's career. He was in the heat position, meaning his job was to hire and fire so that means when Vince was done with you, JR did the dirty work. Listening to Bruce talk about it, the fight with Shane really soured Vince to Buff, and he was very concerned of adding trouble makers from WCW. And then when the match with Booker didn't turn out well, Vince cut bait with him. If there wasn't a fight, I think Buff gets the benefit of the doubt and a second chance like Booker did. Bruce did say Vince did understand learning the new ring. But you add the bad match with the fight, and it was Vince's call to cut bait with Buff.
@Danny Isambard SMH ?
@@Wurmo Slapping a fellow rassler on your initial outing with a new company is not a good play. Bagwell did it to himself.
@@martyc909 actually his match with Booker was not a bad match and was even said by many other people involved with WWE. McMahon didn’t want many guys from WCW to go over on his own especially more so at the beginning. Hell look what he did to Sting when he finally decided to go to WWE. Having him lose his very first match also it being against Triple HHH.
100% believe in Bagwells side of the story and I ain't no fanboy if his.
I believe you because there isn't any fanboy of his.
I am a Patriot fan soooooo. Lol
Not the damn New England lol. Browns all the way!!! Buff Was Patriot before everything else.
During the powers that be Chosen Storyline I thought he was going to be the chosen one ….not Jeff Jarret .
Buff will go down as a midcarder that had some upper midcard runs with NWO and Steiner fued.
He had the look. Good wrestler . Height at 5 foot 11-6 foot not terrible….just didn’t have the captive mic skills .
Never was going to be a main eventer. Ravishingly Rick Rude had what Bagwell coulda been with better mic skills . That’s the difference….and Ric Rude was upper midcard to main event most of his career
@@TheGrowlerCatB2BGame hahaha I was literally just thinking that
hmarc1979able: Browns All The Way with me as well!😁🏈 The now late great Del Wilkes was The Patriot in both Global and then WWE. After being The Super Trooper in The AWA. Marcus Bagwell was the Zorro masked Handsome Stranger in Global.🤔🌏B.W.
notice Jr doesn't say buff isnt telling the truth but rather he is sorry "he feels that way" Ross doesn't go into details or explain anything where as bagwell goes into details dates and events etc. it doesn't make sense why he'd want out of the Atlanta show. Ross just took a dislike to bagwell because he hates WCW and wanted to get some feeling of power over it by getting rid of some he associated with wcw
Obviously Ross is the liar. Why would Buff go into such detail and Ross be so vague? Wouldn't Ross at least give the reason that WWF fired Buff? That is still a mystery for a guy who had a lot of pop.
+RomesThe59 yes jim ross is cause he doesnt even go in to detail on why bagwell got fired let alone say anything about his mom calling
+RomesThe59 IMO they released him because it was a necessity to repackage him. His persona didn't fit with the WWF, and there was an immense difficulty in repacking him.
Buff got released he didn't get fired-there's a big difference.
RomesThe59 I listened to Ross' part & he didn't go into detail from what seems like maybe Austin didn't have enough time for that episode to get the whole story from JR. Not to only mention also Austin made it clear that he called Ross ahead of time about what Buff said before putting Jim on the phone for the podcast. Who knows. But also Buff says he was kissing ass backstage & ass kissers are backstabbers that will do whatever to keep their position. What about after WWE? Why not let the heat die & try to get back into WWE a year or two later?
RomesThe59 He gauge AF
I don't belive JR
@Dario Courtney You think you're really clever but you're really just a clown
On one hand you have Buff who had his career ended when he was fired. On the other hand you have JR who just fired someone which he has done a hundred times over. Street Fighter gives us a great quote on this change the quote up a bit. The day JR fired you was the most important day of your life but to him it was just a Tuesday.
You sir have just made my night one year after you made your comment. Thank you!
Jason Diend lmao im dying to him iy was hust another tuesday
Lmfao great perspective you are a master visionary
Such a shitty movie but that was one of the few good moments.
excellent reply friend. R.I.P Raul Julia
Buff was awesome in WCW, very entertaining! Would have loved to see him in the WWE.
Before they buyout when Buff’s wcw contract was up, Vince McManhon paid for his ticket to come and talk about jumping to the wwe instead and said they’d offer him a great contract.
When the buyout happened, the wwe literally had all the biggest talent in the world with no competition so stars were much more disposable.
Jim Ross sounded like a strait politician about it. Kinda questionable to me. Bagwell might have left some things out it seems, but i get the impression he was telling the truth all in all. Steve was good friends with JR so I already knew he wouldn't push him on the story
Ross went out of his way to bury bagwell
The same way Ross went out of his way in early WCW days to Push Bagwell too.
Friday the 13th!👊
Jim Ross is that guy at your workplace that will do anything to please the boss and climb the corporate ladder. He got his start in WCW but has no problem burying WCW and waving the WWE flag to this day. If he likes you (Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair) he'll put you over to the moon and back until the day he dies. if he doesn't like you (Jesse Ventura, Hulk Hogan, Buff Bagwell) he can barely utter a single word of praise and his whole tone changes.
Whether or not he liked Hulk Hogan wouldn't really matter. Hulk Hogan was and still is a household name. Even after the racial slur scandal, JR wouldn't be able to bury him. Hulk Hogan is much too big a name to ever bury. Not to mention Hulk Hogan did have a lot of pull in WWF and WCW. He put over whoever he wanted.
@@aykay8528 o
Fuck stroke face Jim Ross for what he did to Buff. Bagwell should have been right there in the WWE with the rest of them.
He did great in Hollywoods return to the WWE. Ross was too notch on that call.
The way he treats Chyna is disgusting
Ross comes across like everyone's favourite, kindly uncle that always wishes everyone that's in his company the best and is everyone's best friend and I'm sure there is some truth to that. however I believe there is another side to him that isn't seen very often but does exist. there has to be, you dont get so far up in the wrestling business especially way back when he was first in and working his way up, without being clever politically and manoeuvring other out of the way to create a path for yourself. Bagwell is not the only one to say Jim Ross saying one thing to them, not telling the the truth and then they are told the opposite or they're out with Jim not having the balls to tell them.
I think in this case Jim knows people will be more likely to believe him so he's just went with this story about the mother. bagwell went into the full detail and order of things where as JR just kept saying "no bad feelings" "sorry he feels that way" obviously he feels bad or maybe just trying to divert the issue, if bagwell was lying I believe Ross would have gone into much more detail, telling us when exactly the mother called, what was said then what was said first time he seen him afterwards, just too vague. also I believe bagwell is truthful about being happy at being in the WWF at the time and really wanting to make an Impression as if you can get high up on the card you can make ALOT of money, so why would he jeopardise that? especially by getting his mother to call? that's going to make you look like a total ass
@Upson Pratt u hit the nail on the coffin with that statement.
Jim ross is a hypocrit.
I just said the same thing about Jim.
This is why he hates Warrior because Warrior had sussed him out.
At the end of the day, it's a carny business. You never take a carny's word to heart. See old footage of Jim chomping them cigars, looking like some fatcat politician from down south, and you'll see a little bit of the real Jim Ross.
Having met JR and witnessed first hand what's he's like off screen I'm inclined to believe Buff's side of the story.
Huh, really.?. What is he like outside the wwe.?.
@@potato-ld1uj met him at comic con a while back and he wasn't interested in anyone unless they were spending money. Maybe he was having a bad day but he was a total dick. My advice to anyone who's a fan of JR is don't meet him!
@@tommyjusticeofficial was it because he didn’t smile?
@@tommyjusticeofficial well they do say meeting your hero’s will always disappoint you
He had animosity towards Buff, he criticised him because Missy Hyatt brought him into the Wrestling business
What i find funny is jr never mentions why buff got fired, even if he had no hand in it he still wouldv known why. Very suss
I totally believe Buff here (and I'm not even particularly a Buff fan). HIs story about this has not changed one iota over the years and he has no reason to lie about it this far down the line. If you listen to JR's side, he only said he never went behind his back. OK, that I tend to believe. But the issue here is that Austin never pinned JR down as far as the specifics of what went on in the meeting from JR's perspective. Nor does he ask about the fight with Helms that got Buff's head split open, the "Mom calling " thing, or anything else. All we here is vague "wish you the best" stuff from JR. The thing is, both Austin and JR still have deals with WWE so naturally they're not going to foment or say things that make Vince look bad. I guess I just wish that there were more tough and specific questions asked of JR.
Chael Sonnen tried to get an answer out of JR also and couldn't. The story about his mom seems like BS because she was a character in WCW and was known to baby him so it was a ready made excuse that was believable to people familiar with all the characters involved.
I always heard JR's version and because it is JR i just assumed he was right and wouldn't be lying. But after listening to Buffs side, its so clear that Buff is telling the actual story of what happened. Typical WWE B.S !!! Lie like per usual...
I like how Buff extends Jim into Jeyeaum.
it seems to me that the wwe went out of there way to ruin alot of former wcw wrestlers
True.
i shed a single tear like that indian in the littering commercials when that happened brought the man in for the stage he belongs and shit all over him damn shame
did you ever think that maybe they weren't good enough for WWE. only a few legit wrestlers came from WCW. Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Booker T, Chris Benoit, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho
Like it or not, WCW had better wrestling. There's a reason WWF guys are called entertainers. Buff wasn't Benoit, but he was competent in the ring. There was a clear bias against WCW guys, and mark was one of the few homegrown talents. They hung the guy out to dry, and Ross probably unknowingly buried the guy without thinking of the effect it would have on buffs ability to get work
Buff at his prime will never be a Bret Hart or a Shawn Michaels and if WCW had the best wrestling why did they consistently put on the worse worked matches and PPV's that were abortions I like WCW but it was the midcard and underneath matches that drew me not the Main Events unless Savage or Flair were main eventing they put on good matches
Regarding the story about Bagwell's mom calling the offices, recently Bruce Prichard claims he never heard that story while working during the Invasion, and he said the reason they let Buff go was because of the fight he had with Helms.
Sounds like JR he's full of BBQ sauce.
Yeah, I like Ross and everything, but if he wanted to prove his point, he should have talked about the whole "telling him to stay home" thing he obviously glossed over.
If someone accuses you of doing something and you don't even take the time to listen to his take before defending yourself of "doing your job", you're clearly in the wrong.
+Tommy Gagnon
Yes, but I have to call out Stone Cold on this. This is not how to conduct a interview if you REALLY want answers. You dont throw out a question and then move on. Its called follow up!!!!!! You say " Well JR, why was he fired, what happened, specifically" and if you get another vague non-commital answer you follow up again. "OK JR, but your not answering the question" Who's decision was it to fire him, if not yours and why.
+mwd2525 I agree. I can give Steve a pass on that because he's not a professional journalist, but that is the right way to dig for the truth.
+mwd2525 Plus Stone Cold & JR are buddies. So is this a conflict of interest here? Because there buddies is this unfair to Buff? I'm a fan of all three but just trying to be fair here.
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Have these 2 sit across each other, and talk it out face to face lol ..
STONE COLD would have to be the moderator to keep buff from trying whoop jrs ass
+Nick Young Unless he had a gun, Ross would end up in a body bag.
+Burned Frozen (BurnedandFrozen) lol
+Burned Frozen (BurnedandFrozen) omfg lmao
After hearing so many other wrestlers stories on things, including Stone Cold's, I am inclined to believe Buff on this... But most of it is that JR never told his side... He deflected everything... But then JR also buried Buff on the Legends Roundtable show... So it no doubt closer to Buff being right... Now Buff has done a new 2016 shoot tape, which has previews on youtube. And he mentions he did have a pill and booze issue. And how he drank a beer in the bathroom stale with another current WWE wrestler. And also said how they wouldn't let him do his normal entrance, which he said through him off a bit... Booker and he has had many WCW matches where they was really good. IDK... I do think Buff had issues, and that WWE had someone or several people who played typical politics that is well known behind the curtain to have him fired...
Who goes for a beer in a bathroom stall LMAO!
Night Train123 who smokes in a bathroom stall? Who uses roids in a bathroom stall? Facts are that shit took place. Even if it sounds fucking stupid.
I guess it was a quiet place you could get a slight load on with nobody noticing
I do think Jim is an okay guy. I do. I also doubt Jim went to some effort to get Marc fired.
That said, on that Legends Roundtable, Jim did get liquored up (probably) and ran Marc down just to be part of the boys and pile on. That was uncalled for.
but why did JR hate Buff? Was he jealous of his physique?
Is there any promotion or the like on behalf of WWE for Stone Cold's podcast? The question isn't related to the above story. Just felt like I saw a link while using the WWE Network app. Haven't had it in a while.
saying something like "i heard buff's mum called up to get him off the hook" is what i would say to some friends as a joke, i reckon someone overheard another guy saying it as a joke and thought they were serious, and because it's so ludicrous it went around like wildfire
Or Bagwell's mother did call
I love Jim ross but I have to agree with buff here. Buff gave honest details and ross was very vague. I believe ross may not have personally had him fired,but I also believe ross didn't go out of his way to make sure he got a fair shake. But it's unfortunate, it reminds me a lot of bart gunn and his time with ross and his dismissal from the company. So I honestly believe buffs mother didn't call and the powers at be went with rumors like they have so many times before.
Idk man. Would you really want Buff, a known gigalo and trouble caused in your company. If they gave him a story it’s because they were letting him down easy. Nobody likes confrontation, and some people don’t get that
He was very vague. Didn’t mention the weekend off, or the supposed phone calls directly. Good read
Sounds like it was more Buff Bagwell being one of the first (few) in a chain of releases and JR, coincidentally, made the phone call. It's not like WWE didn't squash most, if not all, WCW guys shortly after the buyout.
I feel him Ross is lying.
Why would you as a business or corporation fire someone you have under contract because someone, their parent or not, called and requested them to have time off? That makes no sense at all, and JR didn't go into any detail about that, the fight, the injury, who ordered that he was released, the scheduling issues, or the reasoning of why he was let go... IJS.
Would anyone know the episode that Jim Ross told that story on the round table?
-My mom did not call the WWE, absolutely not!!!
- Could my mother have called? Absolutely!
Lol
"And the sonnuvabitch had an answer" lol
I got into an argument with Shane Helms and I end up slapping him 😂 sounds like every argument I have with my wife
I'm curious about Austin take being that him and Jim are close. I like Jim Ross think he one of the best wrestling announcer but it not the first time I heard wrestlers saying how fuck up Jr was.
One of my all time favorites. Buff is still the stuff and I just can't get enough
They did Buff dirty. Jim was no saint of a man as talent relations head do not fool yourself thinking otherwise.
I believe Buff Bagwell
There's only one thing that makes me think Jim Ross might be lying. He's talking about just doing his job and that he had no problems with Bagwell, BUT sidesteps the fact that HE DID bury him on the wrestling round table. I saw the episode and it seemed that Ross went out of his way to bury Bagwell. I realize that the topic was "Heatseekers" but unlike the other people the round table discussed, like who had a bad attitude or who was tough to deal with, Ross seemed to have a personal problem with him which makes be believe it was more personal then Ross is willing to admit.
+MrAwake2me Ross wasn't the one who put Bagwell on the list to be talked about and he certainly wasn't the only one who had a problem with him, just the one who had a specific story in that case. And do you realize how many years ago that Round Table episode was shot? It was filmed in like 2009 or 10. Something like that. At this point I'd be surprised if JR even remembered saying it on the show.
You obviously never watched the round table episode. There was NO LIST of heat seekers for the round table to discuss. They each brought up people they felt were heat seekers and Jim Ross was the only one who mentioned Bagwell. And unlike the other guests on the round table, Ross mentioned Bagwell and his own personal experience with him and never mentioned any other problems that may have happened other then with himself. And on a side note, if someone doesn't remember something they said years ago isn't an excuse for lying in the first place. Not saying Ross is a liar, but HE IS double talking himself, which makes me think there might be more to this story.
If you think they brought those people up at complete random with no prompts on a television show produced by WWE you're incredibly Naive.
Were you there? So you really don't know do you? So you're saying line by line it was a scripted round table? You give WWE too much credit. While I'm sure some names were thought about before hand, I seriously doubt it was all scripted. Look up the wrestling term for MARK. You'll find a picture of you.
one possiblity: someone called and pretended to be buffs mom and did that as a rib?
What the heck does "cell phones out" mean in 2001?
Wait, I'm confused. Is Buff saying that JR called him and told him to take the week off and then JR went to Vince and said "Buff's mom is calling to make sure he doesn't wrestle this weekend."?
Bagwell sounds like such a mama's boy.
He doesn't sound like he ever dared asking his mother if she called.
I guess it's a lot easier just to blame Jim.
The fact that Buff only really had a career in WCW and not anywhere else shouldn't be a condemnation of JR, but rather that Buff couldn't sell his goods anywhere else. Not WWE, not Japan, not even TNA. You would think that if he were half the worker he'll tell you he is, he would have landed on his feet somewhere else. Plenty of people get fired from WWE, but do they call it a career when they do?
Fucking ALBERT could land on his feet in Japan and hold titles there. Yes....slow...boring...Albert.
But then again, it's typical Bagwell: He's the pinnacle of sports entertainment perfection and it's the world that's wrong.
more like the 3 c's cash ,creative , and caning people i think buff bagwell was screwed over just like owen and brett hart were.
“Cell phones out” huh? The first camera phones weren’t available in the US until 2002...
Good point
... why would the phones need cameras? Buff said himself “Half of you have already texted somebody”.
He never said they were taking pictures. They were probably texting
Phones could be used as audio recording devices.
The mother story sticks like glue to this day bc it was a rumor that the whole locker room was in on spreading bc Buff was WCW which made him outnumbered and feared bc he is going to take someone’s spot. So even guys who had no beef with Buff would spread it bc they have no loyalties to Buff and they were protecting helms c he was friend with the Hardys who were on top of the world at the time with team extreme. This mother story even sounds like a Matt Hardy idea to me; I can see him coming up with it.
Matt Hardy's a piece of garbage.
WCW wrestlers had a reputation for not showing up for work and still getting paid for it. Not saying he was doing it but it's a known practice.
I enjoy Buff Bagwell's in-ring work and persona. And there may be some truth to this story. But. But. In 2001, WWF had the most insane roster in the history of the industry. Love him or hate him, Buff Bagwell was always seen by fans (and apparently bookers) as being a little lazy, a little sloppy, and ultimately just another body who couldn't cut a promo. WWF in 2001 wanted starving, hungry talent that would run through a brick wall for them, because they had to settle for nothing less. Guerrero, Benoit, Jericho, Booker T, Rey Mysterio, Flair. Everyone says Vince "buried every WCW star" but everyone I just named made it, stayed on the roster for years and won titles (including Flair, who didn't need/want it by then as the '16-time Champ' was already a meme.) I left Goldberg out because he debuted later after collecting a ton of money from WCW sitting at home. The guys who didn't make it: Malenko, aging Hall/Nash, Saturn, Bagwell, Steiner, etc. Pretty much anyone with a low work ethic or a chip on their shoulder feeling like they were owed something. Say what you want about Triple H, Hogan, HBK or anyone else who "played politics" but from my perspective, no one can deny they worked incredibly hard for decades. It's a great lesson for life honestly. Work your ass off, stay humble and results take care of themselves.
You could hear it in the first couple of minutes. Bagwell was talking about how everyone was so sure he was going to be in the WWF and be a star. The dude had to big an ego to match his in ring performance. They didn't need a glass prima donna and he rubbed to many the wrong way and got the axe. Jim Ross didn't get him canned from TNA and every other promotion since.
I dont watch wrestling at all nowadays but was a huge fan growing up. watching these shoot videos at 30 is mad interesting shows a whole nother layer of the business i was oblivious to as a kid.
The problem was he put $400,000 of spray tan on the company Visa card. "Just bullshittin"
Buff has said this story likes a thousand times, the same way every time. I honestly believe he's telling the truth.
I heard Chael Sonnen question Jim Ross about it after Buff was on Chael's show and he danced around it. Wanted nothing to do with talking about it. Clearly was full of shit.
@e2go exactly. Buff got a bad deal. But all those WCW guys did. Vince didn't care about the money - he just wanted them all to look stupid. Only Booker T survived it-barely.
Bagewell sounds like Larry the cable guy
Buff Bagwell could have had a good push in WWE he was a good heel it's a shame he got thrown under the bus like Muhammad Hassan
Nah man Buff is telling the truth here I dont believe JR
If his mom was calling, tell her to stop. Why would you fire him for that?
Love your channel man
Wow. The more I here the worse I feel for Buff. This is ridiculous! Like a high school soap opera nightmare. I notice a them throughout Buff’s career where he gets bullied, lied to, and manipulated more so than the average worker.
Buff had a reputation at the time, i think they brought him in to make an example of him
Kinda actually feel sorry for Buff. I don't blame Ross because he just did what he was told but he should come clean about it. They jerked Buff around it seems. You could tell that just by the way they treated him on television. Him getting fired was likely for the best cause they would have done him worse if he had stayed. I never liked the WWE company as a whole or Vince McMahon. They have a well known history of treating some wrestlers like shit.
This sounds more like JR having to take the brunt on behalf of Vince, hence why he's so reluctant to go into details (he probably didn't want to be blacklisted by WWE.) All in all, this is yet another example of someone shooting the messenger.
First off - that did NOT kill his career - he ended up in TNA.. He also did the indie circuit - I know he did appearances at MCW - Maryland Champions Wrestling. My gut tells me that they ended up taking more WCW wrestlers then they needed, and were just looking for an excuse to cut a few - Buff was one of the first casualties
The idea that a grown mans mother would call his boss and tell them that he can’t come to work because he is sick is just stupid!!
You ever notice that Bagwell starts every story with "I swear to God!/I don't lie!/I swear on my children!?"
Yeah.
So you slap a guy. Get your head bust. End up getting fired and you say is someone else's fault.
This just seems like a shitty situation. JR had to do his job and Buff was attempting the summit of Everest, which was the WWE/F for the guys from WCW. I can understand both sides for the most part, but the "Round table" and supposed Mama Bagwell phone call still leaves some questions on where the real truth lies. One things for sure, for the majority of the ex-WCW crew, they were screwed before they even got off the bus in Stamford, CT.
There's more to it than this. There's shoots out there where people are saying Buff had an attitude. There's shoots saying JR is a bit of a backstabber. I think there's elements of both. And I think there's only so much JR can say on the matter, not knowing agreements, labor laws, etc. I think Buff was his own undoing. And I think the decision wasn't JR's. But I think JR guided the big decision makers. He played the game plain and simple. But JR didn't necessarily screw Buff. It is a collaborative effort.
Think it's a little bit of both
Buff was a sacrificial lamb. He was the 1st WCW guy to show up for work after the company was bought. Like it or not, great WCW guy or not, this was WWE & his day were numbered period! No one was in his corner, no one wanted to see him prosper in that locker room & front office.
Ross is a liar. I've heard too many wrestlers accuse him of being a backstabber.
it's too bad things worked out the way they did for Buff. he had the talent, the look and a great personality for the business. always enjoyed watching him deliver a blockbuster to the marks.
Did he hurt his vocal cords? In the car accident? Maybe its me? His voice sounds differnt. +Eric Cook. Bobby Hill You nailed it!
Well J.R. is just as cut and dry as Bagwell described. There literally could have been some mention as to why he was released, lets be honest dude was fired
If Bagwell was truly walking on eggshells trying to fit in and do it right, then why did he slap Helms (at work) after an argument? Any other job, he would have been terminated right there, despite his claims that Helms threw a frozen water bottle at him in retaliation.
When I was around 13-14 I loved Buff Bagwell. When WCW vs NWO Revenge came out, he was my go to guy. Sad that WWE couldn't find anything to do with him... and that WCW title match against Booker was bullshit. That was supposed to be a historic match, the first time the WCW title was defended on WWF television.
Buff seems pretty honest compared to Jim who is clearly dancing around.
The Khaun family(owners of All Elite Wrestling) came in the Pro Wrestling business 20 years late as they could have easily bought World Cchampion Wrestling.
Some WCW wrestlers got screwed by the WWE when they got bought out. Never take a job when the management does not really want you but needs you for staffing reason. Because when they get at appropriate staffing levels they will find ways to get rid if you.
If you do take the job, alwsys keep that in the back of head, use that job as a stepping stone and mive on when a better opportunity presents itself.
just a rumor but Buff Bagwell was told not to wear the hat and not to speak into the camera when he wrestle BOOKER T , Vince wasnt sure what to do with his character yet ...
neither side went into detail guys.
buff talked about an altercation that may or may not have involved JR in the background. He went into great detail about a potentially unrelated event. large amounts of unrelated detail doesnt mean buff is more believable...
Jr had no motive that at least was mentioned here or we know of because of these statements. JR could be a bit more forthcoming on to things that he more then likely knows as to why buff was released. Things that I am sure Buff either doesn't know or hasn't said
I don't get it what was wrong with that match?
I'll be honest, both Jim Ross and Buff Bagwell seem to almost always come on the side of "they were against me...my hands were tied." The amount of terribles things that happened in WWF that Jim Ross claims that he had no control over is practically everything. That said, Bagwell also has the habit of saying the same thing. I think part of it was that there was an attitude, across the board, that the WCW hires were a problem. Even Vince McMahon is stated at being surprised someone like Raven...right in front of Raven at an all team meeting he says, "Who the fuck hired Raven?" In this case based on how consistent Buff has been with his story, and how specific he is about the incident, makes me feel like its too much to be completely made up. That said, how many times have talent gotten into DUIs and other things that they are just fine with the company in a week or two? Hard to think that even if Buff's mother WAS saying that they wouldn't have just said, "Hey Buff, get your mom to cut it out."
No way I believe his Mom was involved for one second.
If Buff was such a huge star why did TNA do absolutely nothing with him? (I was a huge fan but that puzzles me)
Because...they're TNA. They never needed a reason to fuck up.
A grown man said ,mother never called. Case closed , mama's boy
What i keep thinking, mama said, mama said, mama mama mama, damn never heard say mama so much.
Sherm Hart m ma mama said REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I dont buy it.. Even Buff says: "Could my mom have called? Yes. Do I think she did? No." Its like. you never even asked her if she did or not? You are just calling Jim Ross a liar, yet admitting she could have called, and you never once asked her if she did...". Yep, I believe she called based on him saying that.
one flaw in buffs story is that he never says he talked to his mom about if she did it or not and you know he asked her if she did it (if that even happened) i would be firm on my answer if i knew the truth
I think Ross is lying because when he talks he deflects and tries to appeal to Steve, then states principles and nobody asked for any of that just the actual story.
3:29 "Jim Rawls!"
I still don’t know what Buff did that was so terrible to be just deemed unworthy? He was good in the ring, good look, good talker. What’s the downside? I liked Buff a lot in WCW. One of my favs. The camera loved him.
Bagwells mom was in the business. She could have called Jim Ross without telling her son which could mean they’re both telling the truth.
I just really feel buff is being truthful here and JR is talking shit...
Ross never mentioned in his responder the claim he made publicly that Mark's mother called with an excuse? That's what strikes me here.
On the surface, I'd trust Ross ten times out of ten over Bagwell, but that right there is curious to me. Ross has made repeated references to that in jokes in the past. Marcus addresses it, and Jim says nothing in particular in response. Hmmm...
Bagwell: Very specific, emotional story about being set up to be fired because J.R. set him up.
J.R.: Yeah, I fired him. Didn't set him up, but I didn't really care if he stayed or went.
I remember watching Bagwell's matches on WCW. I have to say, I don't know who's at fault, though I rather believe J.R. due to the utter lack of indifference he shows about Bagwell, but I am happy Buff wasn't part of WWE for very long.
"I'm shaking hands, kissing ass, kissing babies, waking on egg shells"
Didn't you just slap a guy bro? Like you'r first week on the job? I think that's what got you fired homie and I haven't heard the other side of the story yet.
not the way I heard the Shane helms fight went down lol
As soon as bagwell said: "could my mom have called and asked them to give me time off? Absolutely. But I don't believe she did" I felt like he was lying and that's exactly what happened. How would you not know? Are you saying it's a possibility your mother did in fact do that and then lied to you about it? Guess I just find that hard to believe for some reason.
the part where buff says Mother could have called.