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@@motmot8879 yes but most of the time they are in tandem with each other serving at the same time or as a replacement and because of their similiar look
still in active service in indonesian army today, in fact most of their cavalry units use AMX-13. and also a fact that they loved it so much that they decided to modernized it (again) for further use.
@@artyomgunard4491 The reason why the Harimau/Kaplan MT is considered a medium tank is because of the AMX-13's service with Indonesia. If it was operated by anyone else then it would've been considered a light tank.
@@WeaponDetective International Institute for Strategic Studies is defintely mistaken. Given that its such a glaring error on their part, I would personally not quote from them
Wow Indonesian AMX-13, we called Grandpa Tank. It first batch came during our first President era, then next batch was bought some in second hand by our Second President era. and some still operated today in some regional command.
Jeez. 12 rounds on target in a minute per tank? I don’t think I’ve ever actually considered how insane that much firepower is, especially considering there might be multiple of these things firing together. The amount of shells going down range from just 5 AMXs could completely shred a much larger attacking force. That’s 60 rounds in 60 seconds.
The last ones I saw were used as targets for shooting practice with the 12.7mm (or 50 BMG) machine guns we had on our AMX 30 B2s, yes not all of them had a 20mm cannon. This was in prehistoric times.😏
And yet here in Indonesia, we still use it and keep modernized it lol but with the arrival of our mew medium tank, the AMX 13 will be replaced soon (hopefully)
In the French doctrine tanks are never alone but accompanied for reconnaissance by light vehicules, I think this is a point many are missing when considering the armor and its use in the French army.
already as a general rule a tank should never fight alone, it must be accompanied by infantry, IFV etc... I have often seen fights where the tanks are alone and generally it ends badly.
When France became Israel's main arms supplier (around 1960) some number of AMX's were sold to the Jewish state, along with older M4 (lend/ lease models) Sherman. The AMX's appear in news reels of the 1967 Six Day War along with British, American and, of course, French tanks. Its light armor rendered it a 'death trap' the IDF discovered, I recall.
True. British Centurions were soloved that Israeli Mother insist that their son only served in Centurion equipped units only. And Merkava were inspired by Centurion.
Historical Misframing per WW2 Great model Beautifully utilitarian design Could make a great cheap chassis for various African light armored unit purposes
a modern day variant of the AMX-13 light battle tank is very much needed in 21st century warfare . . . without the oscillating turret. . . a small & compact 360° deg rotating turret can be provided by Cockerhill Defense . . .
But the interest of the AMX 13 is precisely the oscillating turret which allows to have an automatic loader, without that it is a classic light tank. And the other possibility of this turret is to make it fully automatic to make it a remote-controlled light tank.
French copied KwK-42. Panthers were used by French post ww2 and they were highly impressed with that German gun. Hence same 75mm and same pressurized air to get rid of the fumes rather than putting bore evacuator
They should update older technological if we are going to use it….better safe then sorry but they should really listen to soldiers on what work it needs to be more lethal
Would've just meant the German 37mm guns had more targets they could penetrate. It's not like the French were doctrinally ready for a well armed light tank. Delivering a postwar power train and chopped down version of the Panther gun to the Nazis would be the result.
The thing you can't help but notice about the AMX-13 is that armies which used them in major combat got rid of them immediately after. Take for example Israel who could not wait to sell theirs off to Singapore at a time when they were desperate for tanks and India. As a combat vehicle it is a bit shite. PS The CN75 gun has absolutely nothing in common with the KwK 42. The objective with the CN75 was to get a gun of comparable performance. It was not a copy, shares no parts and fires different ammunition. IDK why this myth continues to persist.
@@MFitz12not really! Soviets had 100mm D10T, Americans had 90mm M3 on Pershing and M-46. British already had the 17 pdr and 20 pounder was also on its way. I don't see 75mm a wise decision post ww2. Many heavily armoured Soviet tanks already pitching in.
@@livingroomtheatre174 - In 1951 probably 80-90% of the worlds tanks were WWII left-overs. 75mm HV could deal with any of those. Also, worth pointing out that as much as people obsess over hot _tank-on-tank_ action, shooting at other tanks is about 5% of what tank guns do. On a 13-ton tank in 1951 how much bigger of a gun do you think you can get on there? Worth noting the contemporary American M41 had a 76.2mm of roughly similar performance and the U.S. was actively refitting the M4 Medium tanks of our allies with the older, less powerful 76mm M1 under MDAP at this time.
@@MFitz12 Well to be honest. France was obsessed with Panther which they liked too much (they used panthers in their units after the ww2). So they used the same gun (even used pressurized air to get rid of fumes rather than putting fume extractor). So they "copied" kwk-42. They liked the sloped armour of panther hence AMX-13 had a sloped armour too. Ofcourse they can't copy entirely so they came up with oscillating turret
@@livingroomtheatre174 - Obsessed? They had a regiment of the things for about 5 years because they were available in the immediate post-war. That is hardly an obsession. Again, nothing on the CN75 is _copied_ from the KwK 42. Performance is similar (that was the requirement) but they share no parts and the ammunition is completely different,
C'est une erreur. Nous n'avons jamais produit de chars. Ni d'armes d'ailleurs. Même nos ancêtres les hommes préhistoriques chassaient avec des feuilles et du lichen. Nous avons inventé le drapeau blanc.
It’s really not that great. The armies that have used it have tended to lose the wars they fought. Luckily, since it’s french, it most likely came with a white flag of surrender as standard kit.
C'était un char léger, quand il a été utilisé à la place de chars lourds, il ne faisait pas le poids. Quand à ta remarque sur le drapeau blanc, elle est totalement déplacée. A Dunkerque, ce sont les combattants français qui ont permis la fuite des troupes britanniques. Et en Irak, le monde se porterait mieux si les USA et la Grande Bretagne n'avait pas été à la recherche d'armes de destruction massives (armes imaginaires inventées par Bush et son gouvernement). Combien de soldats américains et britanniques sont ils morts en Irak ? La France a participé à la guerre d'Irak de 1991 (invasion du Koweït) mais pas à celle de 2003 (recherche d'armes imaginaires de destruction massives).
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The AMX-13 is one of those vehicles that were everywhere but not much talked about, glad you covered it!
same goes with their austrian cousin the sk light tank
@@jejepangetsu3133 the SK105 was not as widely adopted as the AMX13, it only entered service in six countries, three in significant numbers
@@motmot8879 yes but most of the time they are in tandem with each other serving at the same time or as a replacement and because of their similiar look
Because most people only know the M60 or T-55. Or Tiger 1 and T-34-85 or sherman
@@jejepangetsu3133That's right, not even many Austrians know him anymore, at least those born after that time. He is also pretty much forgotten
still in active service in indonesian army today, in fact most of their cavalry units use AMX-13. and also a fact that they loved it so much that they decided to modernized it (again) for further use.
The harimau medium tank is still low in numbers so... AMX still can be a stop gap of it
@@artyomgunard4491 ya hartam setahu saya baru ada di yonkav 13
@@artyomgunard4491 The reason why the Harimau/Kaplan MT is considered a medium tank is because of the AMX-13's service with Indonesia. If it was operated by anyone else then it would've been considered a light tank.
Correction Singapore no longer operates the AMX13 SM1s. Replaced by Leopard 2SGs in service
We only referenced the Military Balance, 2024 Edition of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, which claims they are in storage.
@@WeaponDetectiveThey are wrong. Storage and operate are different
@@WeaponDetective International Institute for Strategic Studies is defintely mistaken. Given that its such a glaring error on their part, I would personally not quote from them
12 rounds a minute was impressive for the light tank
What do you mean for a light tank are heavy tanks supposed to be faster ?
Wow Indonesian AMX-13, we called Grandpa Tank. It first batch came during our first President era, then next batch was bought some in second hand by our Second President era. and some still operated today in some regional command.
Another great video, i have been looking forward to you reviewing this vehicle.
Jeez. 12 rounds on target in a minute per tank? I don’t think I’ve ever actually considered how insane that much firepower is, especially considering there might be multiple of these things firing together. The amount of shells going down range from just 5 AMXs could completely shred a much larger attacking force. That’s 60 rounds in 60 seconds.
12 rpm for 1 minute then 10 minutes to reload.
The last ones I saw were used as targets for shooting practice with the 12.7mm (or 50 BMG) machine guns we had on our AMX 30 B2s, yes not all of them had a 20mm cannon. This was in prehistoric times.😏
And yet here in Indonesia, we still use it and keep modernized it lol
but with the arrival of our mew medium tank, the AMX 13 will be replaced soon (hopefully)
AMX30? Sounds like early 80s or late 70s
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In the French doctrine tanks are never alone but accompanied for reconnaissance by light vehicules, I think this is a point many are missing when considering the armor and its use in the French army.
already as a general rule a tank should never fight alone, it must be accompanied by infantry, IFV etc... I have often seen fights where the tanks are alone and generally it ends badly.
When France became Israel's main arms supplier (around 1960) some number of AMX's were sold to the Jewish state, along with older M4 (lend/ lease models) Sherman. The AMX's appear in news reels of the 1967 Six Day War along with British, American and, of course, French tanks. Its light armor rendered it a 'death trap' the IDF discovered, I recall.
Well it’s a light tank, not a centurion tank. It’s meant to be used like the hellcat M18 or Walker bulldog. Flank and spank and then retreat
Albeit mostly only for its aesthetics, one of my favorite tanks. I'd love to own one.
Excellent video
Superb video! I really appreciate it 💜
Excellent video, thank you👍
True. British Centurions were soloved that Israeli Mother insist that their son only served in Centurion equipped units only. And Merkava were inspired by Centurion.
An informative video about AMX -13 French light tanks
A really interesting design. It played a crucial role in 1984 movie "Les morfalous" with Jean-Paul Belmondo
Amx - 13 can become a perfect drone tank
Yes, I made the same observation.
Historical Misframing per WW2
Great model
Beautifully utilitarian design
Could make a great cheap chassis for various African light armored unit purposes
a modern day variant of the AMX-13 light battle tank is very much needed in 21st century warfare . . . without the oscillating turret. . . a small & compact 360° deg rotating turret can be provided by Cockerhill Defense . . .
But the interest of the AMX 13 is precisely the oscillating turret which allows to have an automatic loader, without that it is a classic light tank.
And the other possibility of this turret is to make it fully automatic to make it a remote-controlled light tank.
Nice video. The Indonesian/Turkish Kaplan is replacing them in Indonesia. It would be nice to talk about it.
Yes, it would be nice, but we though it would make the video too long.
0:05 indonesian army. Idk what cav bn (yonkav)
But starting with 13th Bn, are slowly being replaced with Harimau Hitam
when 1940 blitzkrieg is so op
that you make full light amored tank post war
As far I've read, the french CN75 was developed largely apart from the german KwK 42. Although very comprehensive report.
French copied KwK-42. Panthers were used by French post ww2 and they were highly impressed with that German gun. Hence same 75mm and same pressurized air to get rid of the fumes rather than putting bore evacuator
@@livingroomtheatre174 Another false myth says that French copied KwK42; you should check the right stuff into right sources. Sorry
Ah the "mbah"/old man of Indonesian Cavalry
They should update older technological if we are going to use it….better safe then sorry but they should really listen to soldiers on what work it needs to be more lethal
Those oscillating turrets were interesting. Useless but interesting.
Next M1 Abrams
Has he ever done a video on the Leclerc tank?
No!, Indonesia people really hate America
Looks like the Austrian "Kürasseur" Tank.
Those had terble engines always Cooling problems
Ahhh.. if France had AMX13 in 1940...😢
Would've just meant the German 37mm guns had more targets they could penetrate. It's not like the French were doctrinally ready for a well armed light tank. Delivering a postwar power train and chopped down version of the Panther gun to the Nazis would be the result.
Indonesian army still operates and modified..combat proven tank
Those Frankentanks!!! LOL
Déjà passer sous ce char et pivoter le corps en touchant la chenille pendant qu'il roulait ... En entrainement commando ...🤔🤔
The thing you can't help but notice about the AMX-13 is that armies which used them in major combat got rid of them immediately after. Take for example Israel who could not wait to sell theirs off to Singapore at a time when they were desperate for tanks and India.
As a combat vehicle it is a bit shite.
PS
The CN75 gun has absolutely nothing in common with the KwK 42. The objective with the CN75 was to get a gun of comparable performance. It was not a copy, shares no parts and fires different ammunition. IDK why this myth continues to persist.
76mm is not really heavily armed..
A 75mm HV on a 13-ton vehicle in 1951 is absolutely heavily armed.
@@MFitz12not really! Soviets had 100mm D10T, Americans had 90mm M3 on Pershing and M-46. British already had the 17 pdr and 20 pounder was also on its way. I don't see 75mm a wise decision post ww2. Many heavily armoured Soviet tanks already pitching in.
@@livingroomtheatre174 - In 1951 probably 80-90% of the worlds tanks were WWII left-overs. 75mm HV could deal with any of those. Also, worth pointing out that as much as people obsess over hot _tank-on-tank_ action, shooting at other tanks is about 5% of what tank guns do.
On a 13-ton tank in 1951 how much bigger of a gun do you think you can get on there? Worth noting the contemporary American M41 had a 76.2mm of roughly similar performance and the U.S. was actively refitting the M4 Medium tanks of our allies with the older, less powerful 76mm M1 under MDAP at this time.
@@MFitz12 Well to be honest. France was obsessed with Panther which they liked too much (they used panthers in their units after the ww2). So they used the same gun (even used pressurized air to get rid of fumes rather than putting fume extractor). So they "copied" kwk-42. They liked the sloped armour of panther hence AMX-13 had a sloped armour too. Ofcourse they can't copy entirely so they came up with oscillating turret
@@livingroomtheatre174 - Obsessed? They had a regiment of the things for about 5 years because they were available in the immediate post-war. That is hardly an obsession. Again, nothing on the CN75 is _copied_ from the KwK 42. Performance is similar (that was the requirement) but they share no parts and the ammunition is completely different,
Junk
Your lack of knowledge is as hopeless as your opinion
C'est une erreur. Nous n'avons jamais produit de chars. Ni d'armes d'ailleurs.
Même nos ancêtres les hommes préhistoriques chassaient avec des feuilles et du lichen.
Nous avons inventé le drapeau blanc.
It’s really not that great. The armies that have used it have tended to lose the wars they fought. Luckily, since it’s french, it most likely came with a white flag of surrender as standard kit.
Average Virgin Cringe Brainless Fatherless Anti France Troll Fanboy taking Copium over here ⬆️
C'était un char léger, quand il a été utilisé à la place de chars lourds, il ne faisait pas le poids.
Quand à ta remarque sur le drapeau blanc, elle est totalement déplacée. A Dunkerque, ce sont les combattants français qui ont permis la fuite des troupes britanniques. Et en Irak, le monde se porterait mieux si les USA et la Grande Bretagne n'avait pas été à la recherche d'armes de destruction massives (armes imaginaires inventées par Bush et son gouvernement).
Combien de soldats américains et britanniques sont ils morts en Irak ?
La France a participé à la guerre d'Irak de 1991 (invasion du Koweït) mais pas à celle de 2003 (recherche d'armes imaginaires de destruction massives).
Pathetic comment
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