As an Englishman, I loathe to say this, but the French have some really cool kit. Please do not report this message, I don't want to live in the Tower of London.
The French very often introduced new ways of waging war. Everyone made fun of the AMX 10RC which was a tank on wheels, in the end it was the one which most proved its effectiveness in light combat. They also invented the CAESAR, a rapid wheeled howitzer for maneuver firing. Even their “revised” older generation vehicles compete with the most modern ones because they are very efficient. France is the second largest exporter of military weapons, not for nothing.
1500years of experience… just to remember that George Washington got France help for the Independance war, and got french military councelors and fighters: Lafayette (Gilbert du Motier de La Fayette ) who was named General at… 19 years old, by G Washington…. (Lafayette names hus son George Washington Lafayette) but also Rochambeau who come with 6000 french but command them like an american army part, and place himself under Washington’s autority. But also « le Comte de Grasse » from the Navy . at the Shesapeare battle for exemple, suprised by the english, he does not take the time to reload all the sailors on board and begins the attack, 1000 sailors stays at ground.. he fked 20 english boats and 7 fregates, he captured 2 fregates. He also helps a lot at Yorktown battle where was also Rochambeau ans Lafayette.
I love the way the French do everything slightly or totally different from the rest. But this new armored unit looks promising and very modern in it's layout.
not always a good thing. Doing things differently has become a topic of national pride (french cultural exception they call it) but sometimes it makes them do weird things.
Regulars of French Battle Order videos may notice that the NCO ranks here are different from the infantry video from 2 months ago : that's because the French army has traditionaly been divided since the monarchy era between "armes de pied" ("corps of foot") and "armes montées" ("corps of horse"). That means that the infantry, engineering, light army aviation (helicopters) and signal corps as well as the Legion are "foot corps" : they have regular ranks with yellow/gold insignia, are organized into companies and sections etc. the usual However the cavalry, logistics, materiel corps as well as the gendarmerie are considered "horse corps", with different rank names reminiscent of old times cavalry (brigadier, maréchal des logis), white/silver insignia, are organized into squadrons and platoons, have smaller square-shaped standards rather than big rectangular flags, and many other differences in terms of terminology, appearance and traditions. The artillery corps is technicaly "horse" (since canons used to be horse-drawn, same reason why logistics and materiel are "horse") and shares some stuff with the other "horse" corps, but they have "foot" style ranks and some artillery-specific terms, like batteries instead of squadrons or companies. The Chasseurs (light, mountain and parachute infantry) are the reverse : they are infantry and thus "foot" but have "horse" ranks, because they were originaly mixed skirmishing units with both infantry and cavalry.
Everything you say is right except a little think, there is two criterias : in one hand the "armes à pieds" use the terms "sergent" et "caporal", the "armes montées" use "maréchal des logis" et "brigadier" ; and in other hand the heavy units use yellow galons, the light units use white galons. That explain why chasseur use white galons with "sergent" ... *in most cases* because we love exceptions to the rules in France.
@@lilianbeck9349 In training, and of course in ops, mixed structures are the rule, a combat company group will be either infantry or cavalry based with attachments and detachmrnt from other arms, eg 3 inf platoons with company HQ reinforced by a cavalry platoon, an engineer squad at least, fire support team (generally from artillery). Same principle at the battalion and brigade level. Part of the company commander course is knowledge of other arms capabilities and limitations.
Fun bit, the gendarmerie use yellow ranks for it's riot unit and the republican guard. And because nothing can be simple: -adjudant are using the oposite color or their corps, chief adjudant use the right color. Good luck sorting them out once in a army that use both ranks. -the trick is to look at the colors of the grenade on the shoulder ranks. If they match, it's a chief adjudant, if not, it's an adjudant. -there are actually two sub division of the gendarmerie that doesn't wear the grenade on the shoulder insigna -pretty much no one use shoulder rank insigna and instead favor a chest velcro patch rank, which is simplified -the single chevron NCO rank which is used as a cadet NCO in the rest of the army is used as a full fledged rank for NCO with less than four years of service -one single chevron or two chevron indicate not a maréchal des logis, but a gendarme. -however, if a gendarme has white ranks insigna and grenade on the shoulder, then it mean they are part of the support corps and thus are maréchal des logis -if a gendarme has a single white chevron but on a blue shoulder rank insigna, he is a maréchal des logis, but not an NCO, since he is actually a deputy gendarme, so a rank and file, but the highest of them. -remember that no one use the shoulder rank insigna and use the chest velcro. There is litteraly no way to distinguish an NCO with a single chevron from deputy gendarme maréchal des logis with a single chevron. -There is finally a raging debate about how the chief brigadier rank is supposed to be worn on the chest velcro. Blue-blue-white or white-blue-blue. Finally, the legion use green chevron for it's private and corporal ranks.
Meanwhile the US: Super expensive over-engineered vehicle/airplane that took 30 years to appear while going 1 trillion over-budget and still plagued with reliability issues
French army likes to be the weirdo of western armies going (almost) full wheeled. Add innovation or weird unusual tactics/organisation = perfect soyrce for different content for the chanel. I love this. Vive lz France !
I mean, it makes sense. Wheel vehicle is much less maintenance heavy, has superior road mobility and are usually much lighter, which is perfect for France as an expeditionary force either fighting in urbanized European cities or the Sahel desert
@@quakethedoombringerplus french don't use vehicles really in the south American part of France. I think people forget the largest border with France is Brazil😂
Funny comment considering I was last week-end at the family day of a French regiment and the Michelin tire on their Serval amor vehicules struck my attention.
@@tonyz7216 oh the horror....so it's true.. Michelin is controlling the French government like how Samsung is controlling South Korea... ☝🏻🤓 I knew it !
it's difficult to learn the absolutely incredible level of technology condensed in these little gems....French military research is truly impressive, the level of performance of these vehicles is unheard of. What needs to be developed now is munitions production factories, that's what's most needed.
Exact, the french armed forces have quality stuffs, but at a tiny scale. Only 200 main battle tanks to protect 543 000 square kilometers and 67 millions peoples is vastly insufficient. the minimum would be 1 tank pers 1000 square kilometer = 543 units minimum.
do not criticize the JAGUAR, the fact that it is on wheels makes it faster, more maneuverable, cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, a destroyed track and the vehicle is blocked than the combat zone, a destroyed tire, the JAGUAR still rolls!! it is not a discounted cannon, it pierces at 1500 meters = 142 mm of steel, or almost all Russian BMP type armored vehicles, at 1000 meters, it pierces 152 mm of steel, or the capacity to destroy the tracks or the barrel of the cannon, or to damage all the sighting devices! there are a lot of modes with cannon, in addition to the armor piercing, it can pierce a reinforced concrete wall of 20 cm and explode behind, it can explode above a trench or a wall and kill all those hiding in it by shrapnel! it has an elevation of more than 60 ° which allows it to shoot at planes, helicopters, drones or missiles, each shell is programmed just before being fired, either in armor-piercing mode or in shrapnel! in addition, the JAGUAR has high precision, 60 shells per minute in ultra-precise mode, and 200 in less precise mode in order to stur the shooting target! and its 4 AKERON MP missiles can destroy 4 heavy tanks! the JAGUAR can roll on a flat hillside, it can lower itself completely to leave only its turret exposed, it is protected against mines or ied in order to protect the crews! effective range 4000 meters
The Jaguar armament is top notch IMO. The 40mm CTA cannon is very flexible since it can shoot programmable ammo and makes it capable of facing infantry, drones, small structures and light vehicles, whil you can still us APFSDS for medium AFVs. The akeron is a terryfing anti tank missile and to be hones pairing it with a drone means that you could win a battle against two MBTs without ever entering their line of sight. In oother words you can do a bit of everything.
the airburst capacity of the 40mm cannon could also be effective against low speed aircraft. Obviously not its purpose but it makes them a threat to take into account for the enemy
@@odysseustdm7573 The very same cannon is now on the new fleet oilers as a CIWS and as a main gun on our future patrol boats. Hope they instal it on the FREMMs too, given their experience with repeated drone attacks in the Red Sea. There also was a proposal for mounting a CTA 40 turret on a CAESAR-chassis, but it didn't go through
As we have seen in Ukraine - an autocannon can deal serious damage even to a MBT. It might not destroy it totally and kill the crew - but without sensors, optics or radios - a modern MBT isn't much more than a very, very heavy paperweight. And that Bradley Bushmaster in Ukraine was "only" 25mm. 40mm is a whole different ball game - with significantly bigger payload.
It kinda feels like they took the idea of the M3A2 Bradley CFV, removed the dismount capacity, made it french (trackless and lower armor. Not actually lighter funnily enough) and put every possible modern sensor in it. A potent autocannon, combined with a good ATGM. But with all the sensor capabilities of the modern day and a ridiculously high top speed. The perfect evolution of the armored recon concept. Also the return of the cannon-missile pairing in the french army. Took us long enough
@@questionmaker5666 yeah but that's because the Russians are down to using shovels and washing machines remember... NATO equipment is supposed to be unstoppable... remember all the 'game changer' weapons we've been giving Ukraine for the last few years...
Very interesting, thank you. A note on the German though: It is either "Kompanie, verstärkt" (Company, reinforced) or "verstärkte Kompanie" (reinforced company). The second version would be the more common way of saying it, while the first sounds very tecnical (and thus very Bundeswehr appropriate). "Verstärkt" would only be capitalized if the sentence starts with this word, like here. Wanna hear a joke? What is a "Falle, beiß, für Nagetier, grau, geländegängig" (trap, bite, for rodent, grey, all terrain capable)? Katze (cat)
yay a new video. Also, i think that a complete guide for Unit sizes (Platoon, Squad, Teams, Brigade, Battalion, etc.) and their symbols would be great for everyone.
You'll still be able to enjoy them for a good while before they're all _actually_ replaced lol And even then, if I'm not misaken, those that get replaced should be sent to Ukraine, so they'll keep being useful.
Battle Order, once again you've outdone yourself with these explanations about the military structure of the armed forces and this one about the Jaguar units is one of them. I really liked especially for how organized it is.
I'm under the strong opinion that we're going to need entire UAS platoons in the future. It would include offensive, recon and counter-UAS forces. We can't keep using Avengers 💀💀💀
to add a little something under the SGTIA organization do not underestimate the value of the observation and coordination element ,they are basically here to provide targets and intelligence to the SGTIA as well as providing fire support from artillery /air or sea units ...During manoeuvers my team send several times the whole SGTIA home early because we would have spotted and destroyed the whole column of ennemies early which usually meant we had free food and beers for the next 2 days :)
I'm French, and I've always been sceptic of our armed force against superpowers like Russia. I don't wish it, but I'd still be curious to see how well we'd fare against russian armored and artillery doctrines. Or just the numeric russian steamroll. And not forgetting the rise of suicidal drones.
Thanks a lot for this high quality analysis, I honestly get my info from here as it's way more entertaining and pedagogical than the either lackluster or boring reading we get here Fun fact the 3e RH listed at 11:13 is part of the Franco-German Brigade, they were our OPFOR during a field exercice not some times ago, pretty cool dudes ! They were (at least the platoon we ambushed lol) still on AMX-10 RCR, it was awesome to do see them up close ( *really* close actually lol) Man those Jaguar kinda make me wish I was in a cavalry unit ngl
The French way of doing things is certainly interesting and unique. Watching other videos on French organizations shows them putting heavy emphasis on awareness, with gun cars/light tanks paired with recon cars.
I was just looking into this vehicle earlier (admittedly, because I was daydreaming about what Gaijin could add to War Thunder) It's nice to have a video about it just as it was on my mind! Looks like real estate atop that turret is in high demand so it'll be interesting to see how future modernizations go, but as it stands now it looks like an extremely advanced and capable vehicle that should help france be a lightweight and easily deployable force into the future.
In the Canadian Army, warrant officers would not be sergeants major. They are not senior sergeants, but senior NCO's. They would be troop warrant officers in the armoured corps, platoon warrant officers in the infantry, and squadron warrants in the artillery. Master warrant officers (MWO) are typically company sergeants major (CSM) in the infantry, and squadron sergeants major (SSM) in the armoured corps, the artillery and engineers.
Unfortunately what's written in the manual isn't quite the reality, very few Escadrons have received any HK269, those that have received are limited at 2 for 4 combat Pelotons, so normally it'll be the sergeants in vbl who shoots it
I wish we had something similar to jaguar in the US Army, closes thing I think we have is an M3 Bradley or maybe a Stryker Dragoon with no dismounts. If the M1117 was still an option maybe mount the same Dragoon turret or a Cockerill CPWS 20-25-3 05:16 I don’t get why they wouldn’t just put a 50cal on all the vbl’s (at least in a normal mount and not a turret) I know it’s probably an ammo/logistics thing. But with just a MMG it can’t engage much if needed. I know they are supposed to work as actual recon and not like the US shoot and see what shoots back, but still.
@@ombrepourpre7562 he didn’t mention that they are remote controlled. Also most of those remote control mounts can take either a MMG or 50 cal and maybe a 40mm. I know the French have their own CROW system, and I’ve seen it on a VBL, it just wasn’t shown or mentioned here.
They have the cannon in common. I remember the Warrior IFV in ex-Yugoslavia, serious machines that made the drunken militias behave. And the lads in them were quite professional and good blokes too.
@@quakethedoombringer Ajax doesn't carry troops either? Only the Ares does. They're both recon vehicles, but the Ajax won't be in service till 2025, while French army got their first Jaguars in 2017. Sounds better to me.
@jonny2954 If 'i'm not wrong they are even. 30mm for the frontal arc and Stanag 4 all around. Mine resistance being better on the Jaquar because of the wheeled configuration.
Can’t wait for the new vbl replacements, basically, trading amphibious capabilities for a 4 man mini griphon that hybrid so it can go full stealth with no noise on batteries, can strafe and shoot amazing agility due to each wheel capable of independent manouver, a 7.62 or 50 cal, and built in drone nest for up 2 4 observation and designation drones plus 2 at leasr 2 akheron or loitering munitions with a posible AA mode. virtually no infrared signature ( on electric full stealth. And due to each wheel being independent huge clearance off the ground. And off course full scorpion integration. They got 2 prototypes racing for the contract, they each have different thing like the one that can straff has no atgm ect, reguardless french love thier jeeps for everything from scouting to escorts , they’ll stick them in everything, they also have your expectations of high intensity armor and mine resistance. Biggest change for th french army since switching from Famas to HK 416. It’s the last “new vehicle save for the scaf” of the scorpion project to be unveiled with it the corehaull will be finished .
Hi. Are you talking about the ARQUUS "Scarabée" VBAE : 3 ops, modular Hornet, 4WDD, V6 300cv + 100cv Li-ion, 8 tons, 130km/h...? I swear, this one is just UNBELIEVABLE !!! I would like so many of them 🤞 for the SCORPION in France, Belgium, and Luxembourg...
imo, I think that the French have gone the more mobility way because they have fully aknowledged that the spear is stronger than any shield, since years ago from the experience return from the front, for years to come... so, better not be where the spear hit than to stand their ground and pray the shield hold...
Serious question: why not pair the AMX-10CR with the new Jaguars as replacement to yhe VBLs with their weaker 7.62×51MM NATO/.308 machine guns, that way then the Jaguars can engage tanks and soft targets like pick ups and suicide bomb cars and the AMX-10CRs with their 105 mm F2 BK MECA L/47 medium-pressure guns can destroy APCs, IFVs, Fortifications, barriers and other things like that, giving their Recon platoons or calvary platoons a wide range of flexibility of fire support?
The AMX is an antiquated design and has seized production decades ago. The VBL is for fast scouting. If there is a tank, the Jaguar already has the ATGM. For lightly armored vehicles, the 40mm should suffice
@@quakethedoombringer KK, I just thought that if a massive gun on a car like the AMX-10CR would have good use and be a morale booster is all, thank you for clarification! :)
In reality the 40mm canon is most dangerous to 105mm for three reasons. First- Stability 2- Rafale fire. Two Bradley have destroy one T-90 with canon in rafale fire 3- Munitions is best in France. Is not comparable to OBF 105 G2
Luxembourg and Belgium accepted to let the french train their units as a protection for France, they are still in command of their own countries but France could use them if they ask and still manage to use them as 100% capacity because the 🇧🇪🇱🇺 will train like the french army Fast, Firepower and Aggression
Adj (Adjutant) is like a very experienced Sargent Major but slightly outranks that rank, but it's slightly below a lieutenant. They can feel like they got passed over a few times because they tend to be in their late 40s to early 50s.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Not entirely true. The success of the CAESAR in Ukraine has prompted many nations to develop a similar alternative, including the US. The Eurofighter kept most of Dassault input on its final design. The Constellation class of american litoral combat ships retains 90% of the Franco-Italian FREMM design. Safran and MBDA are both responsible for many subsystems used on foreign weapon systems. And so on
Kind of interesting they're sticking with the Hornet UAVs, especially in the context of vehicles that clearly have the space for more. If I were a backseat general I'd suggest giving them all NX70s and perhaps hold even larger types like hand-launched fixed-wing drones at the company HQ level.
Why ? The little ones are more stealthy and made to paint a bead one distant target, then kill them from security. Biger and stronger is not alway better. Goal and utility first, pretty toy second 🤔
I wonder if the France MOD will develop a 105mm version of the Jaguar. The 40mm is more versatile sure, but it cannot bulldoze buildings or bunkers as well as the old 105mm
The Jacuar is mainly for recon and Leclerc’s helpers, so i would think no it doesn’t have any interest to put a big canon on something that already have ATGMs and Spikes missiles
The good thing for DGA, to make all the engineer (and lead projects) who draw and design French armement to have REAL field experience. They know what the soldiers need, because they have work with them, and use it in the field. Often to refit and repair team for active OP (often in Africa and Middle East. But also for joint training everywhere)
It’s quite interesting that in terms of mission concept and armament the jaguar is very close to the British army Ajax platform. They even share the same cannon, though Ajax is tracked and doesn’t have an atgm launcher.
I think the Jaguar is way more reliable though. It isn't tracked, and was designed to share the chassis and most components of the Griffon and the Serval, so spare parts and maintenance should be very convenient
@@siretriste4045 no way of telling for sure until Ajax is actually operating, though it should be mentioned that Ajax and its variants will replace almost all the tracked armoured vehicles in British service so is in a similar situation with regards to spare parts.
@@immortallvulture Good point. We'll wait and see, but historically and practically tracked platforms have proved more challenging to operate than wheeled vehicles, and have always been more MRO intensive
@immortallvulture Ha yeah I remember when the British army were saying it would just replace the CVRT; and not the warrior. But the complete lack of funding and incompetent failed procurement means that its being made to do both. By the way there are only 80 ordered IFV Ajax, most of the ordered aren't even combat vehicles. So we're replacing some thousand tracked vehicles with 80.
As an Englishman, I loathe to say this, but the French have some really cool kit.
Please do not report this message, I don't want to live in the Tower of London.
The French seem to live by the "MORE DAKKA" and "GO FAST" principles.
@@MikeBenkolike ww2 Germany in the go fast section
It's forgivable, in matters of personal taste and design.
Looks at the ajax....you don't say
@@EBOWSAGOE-BIRIKORANG They never forgot the lesson Germany taught them in WW2
Babe wake up a new french battle order video just dropped
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@@frakismaximus3052complaining about someone’s nice comment is why you don’t have a babe to wake up
@@samgerman2883 Oof. Right on the feels 😢
The French very often introduced new ways of waging war. Everyone made fun of the AMX 10RC which was a tank on wheels, in the end it was the one which most proved its effectiveness in light combat. They also invented the CAESAR, a rapid wheeled howitzer for maneuver firing. Even their “revised” older generation vehicles compete with the most modern ones because they are very efficient. France is the second largest exporter of military weapons, not for nothing.
When it comes to war, the French have been waging it since France creation, and they love to innovate
1500years of experience… just to remember that George Washington got France help for the Independance war, and got french military councelors and fighters: Lafayette (Gilbert du Motier de La Fayette ) who was named General at… 19 years old, by G Washington…. (Lafayette names hus son George Washington Lafayette) but also Rochambeau who come with 6000 french but command them like an american army part, and place himself under Washington’s autority. But also « le Comte de Grasse » from the Navy . at the Shesapeare battle for exemple, suprised by the english, he does not take the time to reload all the sailors on board and begins the attack, 1000 sailors stays at ground.. he fked 20 english boats and 7 fregates, he captured 2 fregates. He also helps a lot at Yorktown battle where was also Rochambeau ans Lafayette.
Brother the Germans did all of that first in WW2. French just modernized the concepts
@@michaeld4326 Just 400 years after. In 1939 they just read De Gaule books and adapted it but it's ok :)
@@michaeld4326😂liar
I love the way the French do everything slightly or totally different from the rest. But this new armored unit looks promising and very modern in it's layout.
It's very similar to Poland's one made years ago tbh
@@world_eater1315what with drones?
@@murphy7801 borsuk IFV which itself is fairly similar to the finish one.
not always a good thing. Doing things differently has become a topic of national pride (french cultural exception they call it) but sometimes it makes them do weird things.
@@Beyllion Every country does weird things and make bad decisions.
Regulars of French Battle Order videos may notice that the NCO ranks here are different from the infantry video from 2 months ago : that's because the French army has traditionaly been divided since the monarchy era between "armes de pied" ("corps of foot") and "armes montées" ("corps of horse").
That means that the infantry, engineering, light army aviation (helicopters) and signal corps as well as the Legion are "foot corps" : they have regular ranks with yellow/gold insignia, are organized into companies and sections etc. the usual
However the cavalry, logistics, materiel corps as well as the gendarmerie are considered "horse corps", with different rank names reminiscent of old times cavalry (brigadier, maréchal des logis), white/silver insignia, are organized into squadrons and platoons, have smaller square-shaped standards rather than big rectangular flags, and many other differences in terms of terminology, appearance and traditions.
The artillery corps is technicaly "horse" (since canons used to be horse-drawn, same reason why logistics and materiel are "horse") and shares some stuff with the other "horse" corps, but they have "foot" style ranks and some artillery-specific terms, like batteries instead of squadrons or companies. The Chasseurs (light, mountain and parachute infantry) are the reverse : they are infantry and thus "foot" but have "horse" ranks, because they were originaly mixed skirmishing units with both infantry and cavalry.
Everything you say is right except a little think, there is two criterias : in one hand the "armes à pieds" use the terms "sergent" et "caporal", the "armes montées" use "maréchal des logis" et "brigadier" ; and in other hand the heavy units use yellow galons, the light units use white galons. That explain why chasseur use white galons with "sergent" ... *in most cases* because we love exceptions to the rules in France.
I've never noticed that
But in opérations, where does the command structures joined each other then ?
@@lilianbeck9349 In training, and of course in ops, mixed structures are the rule, a combat company group will be either infantry or cavalry based with attachments and detachmrnt from other arms, eg 3 inf platoons with company HQ reinforced by a cavalry platoon, an engineer squad at least, fire support team (generally from artillery). Same principle at the battalion and brigade level. Part of the company commander course is knowledge of other arms capabilities and limitations.
interesting that aviation in france is "foot"
aviation in the US army is viewed as horse and many aviation units were horse cavalry at one time.
Fun bit, the gendarmerie use yellow ranks for it's riot unit and the republican guard. And because nothing can be simple:
-adjudant are using the oposite color or their corps, chief adjudant use the right color. Good luck sorting them out once in a army that use both ranks.
-the trick is to look at the colors of the grenade on the shoulder ranks. If they match, it's a chief adjudant, if not, it's an adjudant.
-there are actually two sub division of the gendarmerie that doesn't wear the grenade on the shoulder insigna
-pretty much no one use shoulder rank insigna and instead favor a chest velcro patch rank, which is simplified
-the single chevron NCO rank which is used as a cadet NCO in the rest of the army is used as a full fledged rank for NCO with less than four years of service
-one single chevron or two chevron indicate not a maréchal des logis, but a gendarme.
-however, if a gendarme has white ranks insigna and grenade on the shoulder, then it mean they are part of the support corps and thus are maréchal des logis
-if a gendarme has a single white chevron but on a blue shoulder rank insigna, he is a maréchal des logis, but not an NCO, since he is actually a deputy gendarme, so a rank and file, but the highest of them.
-remember that no one use the shoulder rank insigna and use the chest velcro. There is litteraly no way to distinguish an NCO with a single chevron from deputy gendarme maréchal des logis with a single chevron.
-There is finally a raging debate about how the chief brigadier rank is supposed to be worn on the chest velcro. Blue-blue-white or white-blue-blue.
Finally, the legion use green chevron for it's private and corporal ranks.
I always love when it's about the French :p
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Quality and low maintenance costs ❤🇫🇷
Meanwhile the US: Super expensive over-engineered vehicle/airplane that took 30 years to appear while going 1 trillion over-budget and still plagued with reliability issues
French army likes to be the weirdo of western armies going (almost) full wheeled. Add innovation or weird unusual tactics/organisation = perfect soyrce for different content for the chanel.
I love this. Vive lz France !
I mean, it makes sense.
Wheel vehicle is much less maintenance heavy, has superior road mobility and are usually much lighter, which is perfect for France as an expeditionary force either fighting in urbanized European cities or the Sahel desert
@@quakethedoombringerplus french don't use vehicles really in the south American part of France. I think people forget the largest border with France is Brazil😂
@@quakethedoombringer Urban combat doesen't favor wheeled vehicles.
@@quakethedoombringer No possesion of vehicle is much less maintenance heavy, war is money money money ....
My favourite BS myth is that the French military would only accept wheeled vehicles so that they could keep Michelin happy.
Funny comment considering I was last week-end at the family day of a French regiment and the Michelin tire on their Serval amor vehicules struck my attention.
😂😂😂😂. Please dont speak this secret 😂😂😂😂
@@tonyz7216 oh the horror....so it's true.. Michelin is controlling the French government like how Samsung is controlling South Korea... ☝🏻🤓 I knew it !
it's difficult to learn the absolutely incredible level of technology condensed in these little gems....French military research is truly impressive, the level of performance of these vehicles is unheard of.
What needs to be developed now is munitions production factories, that's what's most needed.
Oui parfaitement reson
@@kanekikaneki908 rAison pas rEson !
Exact, the french armed forces have quality stuffs, but at a tiny scale. Only 200 main battle tanks to protect 543 000 square kilometers and 67 millions peoples is vastly insufficient. the minimum would be 1 tank pers 1000 square kilometer = 543 units minimum.
I swore that the French DoD people would just collectively have a stroke if when they are presented with a vehicle that isn't running on a wheel.
If they adopted the CV90 they’d need to keep the VAB in reserve in case they actually went to war
@@BattleOrder I prefer the VAB but god damn you murdered the CV90
Theirs are called Ministry of the Armed Forces (MAF/MdA)
@@BattleOrder Michelin tires are much, much better than any cv90 whatever things with tracks
They see me rollin', they hatin'
do not criticize the JAGUAR, the fact that it is on wheels makes it faster, more maneuverable, cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, a destroyed track and the vehicle is blocked than the combat zone, a destroyed tire, the JAGUAR still rolls!! it is not a discounted cannon, it pierces at 1500 meters = 142 mm of steel, or almost all Russian BMP type armored vehicles, at 1000 meters, it pierces 152 mm of steel, or the capacity to destroy the tracks or the barrel of the cannon, or to damage all the sighting devices! there are a lot of modes with cannon, in addition to the armor piercing, it can pierce a reinforced concrete wall of 20 cm and explode behind, it can explode above a trench or a wall and kill all those hiding in it by shrapnel! it has an elevation of more than 60 ° which allows it to shoot at planes, helicopters, drones or missiles, each shell is programmed just before being fired, either in armor-piercing mode or in shrapnel! in addition, the JAGUAR has high precision, 60 shells per minute in ultra-precise mode, and 200 in less precise mode in order to stur the shooting target! and its 4 AKERON MP missiles can destroy 4 heavy tanks! the JAGUAR can roll on a flat hillside, it can lower itself completely to leave only its turret exposed, it is protected against mines or ied in order to protect the crews! effective range 4000 meters
The Jaguar armament is top notch IMO. The 40mm CTA cannon is very flexible since it can shoot programmable ammo and makes it capable of facing infantry, drones, small structures and light vehicles, whil you can still us APFSDS for medium AFVs. The akeron is a terryfing anti tank missile and to be hones pairing it with a drone means that you could win a battle against two MBTs without ever entering their line of sight. In oother words you can do a bit of everything.
the airburst capacity of the 40mm cannon could also be effective against low speed aircraft. Obviously not its purpose but it makes them a threat to take into account for the enemy
Yet the main role remain recon, Intel gattering, and only finally fast response help and fighting...
@@odysseustdm7573 The very same cannon is now on the new fleet oilers as a CIWS and as a main gun on our future patrol boats. Hope they instal it on the FREMMs too, given their experience with repeated drone attacks in the Red Sea. There also was a proposal for mounting a CTA 40 turret on a CAESAR-chassis, but it didn't go through
As we have seen in Ukraine - an autocannon can deal serious damage even to a MBT.
It might not destroy it totally and kill the crew - but without sensors, optics or radios - a modern MBT isn't much more than a very, very heavy paperweight.
And that Bradley Bushmaster in Ukraine was "only" 25mm. 40mm is a whole different ball game - with significantly bigger payload.
It kinda feels like they took the idea of the M3A2 Bradley CFV, removed the dismount capacity, made it french (trackless and lower armor. Not actually lighter funnily enough) and put every possible modern sensor in it.
A potent autocannon, combined with a good ATGM. But with all the sensor capabilities of the modern day and a ridiculously high top speed. The perfect evolution of the armored recon concept.
Also the return of the cannon-missile pairing in the french army. Took us long enough
Just starting but that jumping amx10rc at 1:53 is lit.
ruclips.net/video/OAsQDftDJbA/видео.html at 30s ! HF
Your the only reason I noticed that, thank you.
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Cavalry regiment from the french foreign Legion.
4:50 "and they can get away with it because they have Jaaaags"
“I’ve got a Jaaaaaaaaaaaaag”
POWEEEER
Its a Jaaaaaaaaaag.
A jaaaaaaaaag
French wheeled AFVs are an entire aesthetic 💅
you know ur military tech goes hard when the dude with the drei pfile pfp thinks its dope
Those Jags look badass! With that gigantic turret on that wheeled vehicle.
And the Scorpion system!
Saw one of these up close on Bastille Day, beautiful vehicle
I'm going to go see a few of them at some random Russian park in a few months... 😂
@@maigepresents5840 why would you? None of them are going to Ukraine
@@maigepresents5840 Just like seeing some Russian vehicles in some random Ukrainian park right now.
@@questionmaker5666 yeah but that's because the Russians are down to using shovels and washing machines remember... NATO equipment is supposed to be unstoppable... remember all the 'game changer' weapons we've been giving Ukraine for the last few years...
@@maigepresents5840Russian bot again
Damn the Jaguars are a good looking vehicle
In Jeremy Clarkson’s voice ‘I’m in a Jaggggggg’
Noiceeeee
Underrated comment
i like Boom Boom cars
I love how the French design units to generate combined arms formations for deployment
Very interesting, thank you.
A note on the German though:
It is either "Kompanie, verstärkt" (Company, reinforced) or "verstärkte Kompanie" (reinforced company). The second version would be the more common way of saying it, while the first sounds very tecnical (and thus very Bundeswehr appropriate). "Verstärkt" would only be capitalized if the sentence starts with this word, like here.
Wanna hear a joke? What is a "Falle, beiß, für Nagetier, grau, geländegängig" (trap, bite, for rodent, grey, all terrain capable)?
Katze (cat)
yay a new video. Also, i think that a complete guide for Unit sizes (Platoon, Squad, Teams, Brigade, Battalion, etc.) and their symbols would be great for everyone.
Vive la France !
There's always a soft spot in my heart for all things reconnaissance and discovery.
Ditto, as I once served in a Canadian Army reserve armoured reconnaissance unit.
I’m gonna miss the AMX-10’s they were so sexy.
Idk why, but French AFVs just look so much more unique.
All the AMX 10 RC are going to Ukraine
@@murphy7801 This avoids storing them and paying for dismantling ^^
You'll still be able to enjoy them for a good while before they're all _actually_ replaced lol
And even then, if I'm not misaken, those that get replaced should be sent to Ukraine, so they'll keep being useful.
Ukrainians like this 😂
Battle Order, once again you've outdone yourself with these explanations about the military structure of the armed forces and this one about the Jaguar units is one of them. I really liked especially for how organized it is.
belgian army gets the same hard ware and will adapt the same tactics.starting as of 2025
As no disrespect for Belgium, but military wise it's just little France with FN small arms
@@murphy7801 well our country is about 10 times smaller too ....
its a pitty France didnt bought small arms from FNH
Cockerill 🤝 Arquus
Camo 🤝 Scorpion
🇧🇪 ♥️ 🇨🇵
I'm under the strong opinion that we're going to need entire UAS platoons in the future. It would include offensive, recon and counter-UAS forces. We can't keep using Avengers 💀💀💀
The US Army’s idea is a “robotic automous systems” platoon in infantry battalions including UAS and UGVs
@@BattleOrderI hearby dub these "The Nerdbox".
@@BattleOrder would you consider doing the make up of the British new ajax armoured recce vehicles replacing the scimitars
As a Frenchman, I don't care much about the specific weapon systems we put on it.
If it has wheels, I love. =3
Bravo pour votre travail de qualité parfaitement documenté et agréable à suivre graçe au choix de vos images.
Merci et à bientot
Coming to the French tech tree in 3641 years
Only for it to unrealistically underperform and missles to be nerfed to the ground.
@@trueweapon2349 The new french armoured vehicle are equipped with systems to fight drones, mines, IAD and rockets coming to them.
@@trueweapon2349 War Thunder player :) Frenchies are Nerfed.
@@Laserounet
Gayjin : don't like french
Also gayjin : let's nerf them
to add a little something under the SGTIA organization do not underestimate the value of the observation and coordination element ,they are basically here to provide targets and intelligence to the SGTIA as well as providing fire support from artillery /air or sea units ...During manoeuvers my team send several times the whole SGTIA home early because we would have spotted and destroyed the whole column of ennemies early which usually meant we had free food and beers for the next 2 days :)
8:55 Very mindful, French cavalry. Very demure.
As a french your vids are of great quality 👍
I'm French, and I've always been sceptic of our armed force against superpowers like Russia. I don't wish it, but I'd still be curious to see how well we'd fare against russian armored and artillery doctrines. Or just the numeric russian steamroll. And not forgetting the rise of suicidal drones.
Thanks a lot for this high quality analysis, I honestly get my info from here as it's way more entertaining and pedagogical than the either lackluster or boring reading we get here
Fun fact the 3e RH listed at 11:13 is part of the Franco-German Brigade, they were our OPFOR during a field exercice not some times ago, pretty cool dudes !
They were (at least the platoon we ambushed lol) still on AMX-10 RCR, it was awesome to do see them up close ( *really* close actually lol)
Man those Jaguar kinda make me wish I was in a cavalry unit ngl
Sir, I am always impressed by your knowledge about the french army...!
The best is when I see screenshots from your videos in french military PPT! 😂
The Leclerc prononciation was on point
How many Toyota Tacomas with Javelin missles does it take to track down one of these and take it on? Force projection score?
Parachute -Hussars😅 Gotta love those French
The French way of doing things is certainly interesting and unique. Watching other videos on French organizations shows them putting heavy emphasis on awareness, with gun cars/light tanks paired with recon cars.
Wait, hold on - 7:00
Holy shit, that like, Drone Launch pay is literally something out of Shadowrun.
I was just looking into this vehicle earlier (admittedly, because I was daydreaming about what Gaijin could add to War Thunder) It's nice to have a video about it just as it was on my mind!
Looks like real estate atop that turret is in high demand so it'll be interesting to see how future modernizations go, but as it stands now it looks like an extremely advanced and capable vehicle that should help france be a lightweight and easily deployable force into the future.
We can Always dream, Gaijin hates france 😮💨
In the Canadian Army, warrant officers would not be sergeants major. They are not senior sergeants, but senior NCO's. They would be troop warrant officers in the armoured corps, platoon warrant officers in the infantry, and squadron warrants in the artillery. Master warrant officers (MWO) are typically company sergeants major (CSM) in the infantry, and squadron sergeants major (SSM) in the armoured corps, the artillery and engineers.
I like the idea of a vbl driver having to pull out his grenade launcher like its a pistol
Unfortunately what's written in the manual isn't quite the reality, very few Escadrons have received any HK269, those that have received are limited at 2 for 4 combat Pelotons, so normally it'll be the sergeants in vbl who shoots it
In 1917 French Legionnary us Grenade with change artillery 😂😂😂 in battle of Somme. Is really anecdote.
Bro just casually leaked french formation structure I learned in Combat Group command class.
Very accurate, good job.
French kit 🤤
new 7.0 French IFV looks nice
would be in the light tank branch
Premium
It's French, so 15.0 minimum.
Quality as always
Swedish CV90 also use the french baguette Akeron, it's really good stuff!
yoooo new battle order vid lets gooooo
Le Baguettes must continue.
Ma baguette dans ton ass l'Anglais ahahah
But i am le tired
Slava 🥖 Heroyam 🥐
Baguettings will continue until morale improves
@@Paveway-chan until isl@m takes over
As a French reserve cav officer, this video is very accurate a well made, kudos 👍🇫🇷
Interesting to see the drone integration. I really hope that France (and NATO) will learn a lot from Ukraine War.
France yes. France have develloped new kamikaze drone
as a frenchman myself I am happy with these news and I am astonished with de level of quality of your videos
I wish we had something similar to jaguar in the US Army, closes thing I think we have is an M3 Bradley or maybe a Stryker Dragoon with no dismounts. If the M1117 was still an option maybe mount the same Dragoon turret or a Cockerill CPWS 20-25-3
05:16 I don’t get why they wouldn’t just put a 50cal on all the vbl’s (at least in a normal mount and not a turret) I know it’s probably an ammo/logistics thing. But with just a MMG it can’t engage much if needed. I know they are supposed to work as actual recon and not like the US shoot and see what shoots back, but still.
Because the guns are in remote control, to not expose the crew.
And yes, they are recon first. Fire support and fast response second only.
@@ombrepourpre7562 he didn’t mention that they are remote controlled. Also most of those remote control mounts can take either a MMG or 50 cal and maybe a 40mm.
I know the French have their own CROW system, and I’ve seen it on a VBL, it just wasn’t shown or mentioned here.
Incredible French Vehicle !!
incredibly useless.
@@kjererrt7804You’re speaking about you or your comment?
@@NicofromParis i am proud of being useless. everyone must live only for himself. you will understand it when you grow up.
Would love to see a video about the Brigade Germany is deploying to Lithuania.
Continue the great work! 👍
Maybe Britain should have thought the unthinkable and got Jags instead of Ajax
They have the cannon in common. I remember the Warrior IFV in ex-Yugoslavia, serious machines that made the drunken militias behave. And the lads in them were quite professional and good blokes too.
apples vs orange
The Jaguar is a wheeled vehicle and most importantly, it cannot carry troops like IFV
@@quakethedoombringer Ajax doesn't carry troops either? Only the Ares does. They're both recon vehicles, but the Ajax won't be in service till 2025, while French army got their first Jaguars in 2017. Sounds better to me.
Considering the British pushed the AJAX beyond 40 tons with addon armor i doubt a 25 ton wheeled vehicle will meet their protection requirements.
@jonny2954 If 'i'm not wrong they are even. 30mm for the frontal arc and Stanag 4 all around. Mine resistance being better on the Jaquar because of the wheeled configuration.
Very intresting, for the next video could you talk about italian units?
The French really love there wheeled armored vehicles!
easier to maintain on operation. and lighter to transport. go repair a track in the desert it is not 1 truck support you need but 5.
But can they jump like the amx-10rc 🧐
You know it's gonna be a good day when a new Battle Order video drops
these look sick god I wish I was French 😂
you can join the legion :)
Can’t wait for the new vbl replacements, basically, trading amphibious capabilities for a 4 man mini griphon that hybrid so it can go full stealth with no noise on batteries, can strafe and shoot amazing agility due to each wheel capable of independent manouver, a 7.62 or 50 cal, and built in drone nest for up 2 4 observation and designation drones plus 2 at leasr 2 akheron or loitering munitions with a posible AA mode. virtually no infrared signature ( on electric full stealth.
And due to each wheel being independent huge clearance off the ground. And off course full scorpion integration.
They got 2 prototypes racing for the contract, they each have different thing like the one that can straff has no atgm ect, reguardless french love thier jeeps for everything from scouting to escorts , they’ll stick them in everything, they also have your expectations of high intensity armor and mine resistance.
Biggest change for th french army since switching from Famas to HK 416.
It’s the last “new vehicle save for the scaf” of the scorpion project to be unveiled with it the corehaull will be finished .
Hi. Are you talking about the ARQUUS "Scarabée" VBAE : 3 ops, modular Hornet, 4WDD, V6 300cv + 100cv Li-ion, 8 tons, 130km/h...?
I swear, this one is just UNBELIEVABLE !!! I would like so many of them 🤞 for the SCORPION in France, Belgium, and Luxembourg...
imo, I think that the French have gone the more mobility way because they have fully aknowledged that the spear is stronger than any shield, since years ago from the experience return from the front, for years to come... so, better not be where the spear hit than to stand their ground and pray the shield hold...
And France prepare war in Europe and in Europe i have most route
I hear French and Armoured Cars and it’s is an automatic like!!
Thanks for this excellent video. My english is not really good. But i love your travel. I'm french and i'm so proud to my army.
Serious question: why not pair the AMX-10CR with the new Jaguars as replacement to yhe VBLs with their weaker 7.62×51MM NATO/.308 machine guns, that way then the Jaguars can engage tanks and soft targets like pick ups and suicide bomb cars and the AMX-10CRs with their 105 mm F2 BK MECA L/47 medium-pressure guns can destroy APCs, IFVs, Fortifications, barriers and other things like that, giving their Recon platoons or calvary platoons a wide range of flexibility of fire support?
The AMX is an antiquated design and has seized production decades ago. The VBL is for fast scouting. If there is a tank, the Jaguar already has the ATGM. For lightly armored vehicles, the 40mm should suffice
@@quakethedoombringer KK, I just thought that if a massive gun on a car like the AMX-10CR would have good use and be a morale booster is all, thank you for clarification! :)
The AMX -10RC(r) is an outgoing platform might only stay in reserve units to the regiment.
In reality the 40mm canon is most dangerous to 105mm for three reasons.
First- Stability
2- Rafale fire. Two Bradley have destroy one T-90 with canon in rafale fire
3- Munitions is best in France. Is not comparable to OBF 105 G2
The VBL look so cool, I want one, Jaaggg too
I have seen them IRL, the Jaguar is more bigger than the AMX 10 RC...
The thing looks... very French
welp there something for war thunder to add
Good video! As always actually. Huh... Now I wonder how Belgium and ... Luxembourg? huh... will incoorperate them into their forces.
Luxembourg and Belgium accepted to let the french train their units as a protection for France, they are still in command of their own countries but France could use them if they ask and still manage to use them as 100% capacity because the 🇧🇪🇱🇺 will train like the french army
Fast, Firepower and Aggression
Viva la République 🇬🇪♥️🇫🇷
Thanks
Oh the wildcat from BF2042
Adj (Adjutant) is like a very experienced Sargent Major but slightly outranks that rank, but it's slightly below a lieutenant. They can feel like they got passed over a few times because they tend to be in their late 40s to early 50s.
NAFO 69th Brigade convoy.
Check interview with Wild Hornets drone manufactor.
HELL YEAH BATTLEORDER UPLOAD
The chess piece’s French obsession continues 🇫🇷
The french copy nobody, and nobody copies the french
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Not entirely true. The success of the CAESAR in Ukraine has prompted many nations to develop a similar alternative, including the US. The Eurofighter kept most of Dassault input on its final design. The Constellation class of american litoral combat ships retains 90% of the Franco-Italian FREMM design. Safran and MBDA are both responsible for many subsystems used on foreign weapon systems. And so on
@@CROM-on1bzwhat inventions? I’m curious
@@CROM-on1bz the air balloon? The smokeless powder? What an idiot. And yes I want to know more?
@@CROM-on1bz I’m not hating, I love more videos on the French bc they’re one of the more unique NATO countries
Kind of interesting they're sticking with the Hornet UAVs, especially in the context of vehicles that clearly have the space for more. If I were a backseat general I'd suggest giving them all NX70s and perhaps hold even larger types like hand-launched fixed-wing drones at the company HQ level.
Why ? The little ones are more stealthy and made to paint a bead one distant target, then kill them from security.
Biger and stronger is not alway better. Goal and utility first, pretty toy second 🤔
Yo they made the thing from battlefield 2042 in real life!
7:53 If you ever played _StarCraft_ … :}
Still gives me physical pain seeing French soldiers with HK416s :(
I just want to know about the new vehicle but end up knowing about the whole French Ground forces formation 😅
From where I speak, good work Sir.
Can you do a video on the danish armed/mech batalions? Or some nordics stuff?
"Fire and Skidaddle" 🤣🤣🤣 Absolute gold mate.
I wonder if the France MOD will develop a 105mm version of the Jaguar. The 40mm is more versatile sure, but it cannot bulldoze buildings or bunkers as well as the old 105mm
On the VBCI new multipurpose turret where you can have several different weapons
The Jacuar is mainly for recon and Leclerc’s helpers, so i would think no it doesn’t have any interest to put a big canon on something that already have ATGMs and Spikes missiles
@@luckyFrenchy Akeron MP, not Spikes.
Can’t wait for the news this get leaked on the Warthunder forums because someone wanted this in the game.
The good thing for DGA, to make all the engineer (and lead projects) who draw and design French armement to have REAL field experience.
They know what the soldiers need, because they have work with them, and use it in the field. Often to refit and repair team for active OP (often in Africa and Middle East. But also for joint training everywhere)
Système félin, drone patroller 😕
It’s quite interesting that in terms of mission concept and armament the jaguar is very close to the British army Ajax platform. They even share the same cannon, though Ajax is tracked and doesn’t have an atgm launcher.
And it cannot go over 50kph or it cannot shoot accurately.
I think the Jaguar is way more reliable though. It isn't tracked, and was designed to share the chassis and most components of the Griffon and the Serval, so spare parts and maintenance should be very convenient
@@siretriste4045 no way of telling for sure until Ajax is actually operating, though it should be mentioned that Ajax and its variants will replace almost all the tracked armoured vehicles in British service so is in a similar situation with regards to spare parts.
@@immortallvulture Good point. We'll wait and see, but historically and practically tracked platforms have proved more challenging to operate than wheeled vehicles, and have always been more MRO intensive
@immortallvulture Ha yeah I remember when the British army were saying it would just replace the CVRT; and not the warrior. But the complete lack of funding and incompetent failed procurement means that its being made to do both. By the way there are only 80 ordered IFV Ajax, most of the ordered aren't even combat vehicles. So we're replacing some thousand tracked vehicles with 80.
USMC could make use of these.
Amazing 🤩
This ressembles a Bradley like the AMX-10RC didn't.
The 11 or 12 of these they actually produce will be great kit.
It looks like a strange amalgamation between a Ratel IFV, a Panhard ERC, and a Cockerill 3 series turret.
I swear the French seem to live by the "MORE DAKKA" principle.