ROR: Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 (DC vs. GCN vs. PSN)
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Time to wrap up this marathon with an episode of Remake or Rebreak. This time, we'll be comparing the Dreamcast version of both Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 to their GameCube and seventh gen digital rereleases. Are these ports really as bad or as good as people say? Let's find out.
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Remake or Rebreak Scores:
1- Rebreak: Fails to resurrect the same quality standard as its original due to incompetent design, technical failures, etc.
2- Re-Meh: Not quite as good as the original, but a relatively competent recreation that is still very playable. Fails to add any new content or fix problems of the original.
3- Remake: Superior to the original, but not necessarily worth it if you already own the original. May add some new content or fix some problems of the original.
4- Replace: So much better than the original, that there's no reason for new players to own the original. Not only a faithful recreation of the original, but fixes old bugs and adds new content.
Says he wouldn't watch a video over 50 minutes
His modern videos:
Lol hey he might have a reason
Well remember, this video was made in the mid-2010s, but his recent videos are a lot more updated so I think it is a mind change on his behalf.
Lol
@Paper-thin Man his unleashed video: 2 hours and 10 minutes
*To my fans:*
Let's try to keep the Egoraptor bashing to a minimum. In retrospect, I went too far in calling him "a troll to the Sonic fandom." I know better than that, but I was so wrapped up in what I was talking about that I went against my best judgment. I have my grievances with how he treats the franchise and the community, but this mostly relates to the ideas he espouses rather than my impressions of Arin as a person. If you're on the same page, I'd like to request that you focus on counterarguing his claims rather than calling him names or otherwise targeting him. This should be about challenging ideas about Sonic, not about bullying people. *Thank you.*
+ExoParadigmGamer I actually just wrote a comment about this before reading this comment. I'm glad to see you admit you went too far. It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.
That loop clipping to death glitch is actually pretty easy to trigger. At that part, the road curves to the right, so it's completely understandable for a player to tilt the analog stick right to run along the curve. But it's exactly that that triggers the clipping glitch, I've tested it a couple of times myself. While I generally don't like Arin's opinion on games, especially Sonic, I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he probably tried tilting the analog stick right and the glitch happened. And honestly, that happening to a player at the very beginning of the game is pretty bad and can leave a very negative impression on a player for the remainder of the game. So then much smaller glitches and hiccups will seem bigger than they are and a testament to the game's overall quality.
hows that going to far? thats what he is.
But Exo, he is a troll to the fandom! He judges based off of a few games, not all of them
Zachary Erickson agreed
Your channel is so underrated it hurts.
+UltraJordanGaming In my opinion he is the best reviewer out there.
@@rachelkinski6982 i couldn't agree more, Exopardoxgamer is one of my favorite youtubers slash reviews hell i will go to say he's better then somecallmejohnny in some ways well i do like Johnny as a RUclipsr i think Michael is better because he focuses on the truth on what's going on with biased reviewers like projared Game Grumps some call me Johnny and some ways IGN ScrewAttack and Metacritic I think I went a little too far but that's just what I get when at the internet today is so immature seriously thank you and have a good day.
OW! THE PAIN! IT HERTZ!
@@rachelkinski6982 He really REALLY IS!
Overrated comment. People say that too much
makes fun of egoraptor and Bethesda...yup I like this guy already
The GameCube analogy stick still senses full 360 input but the octagon base around the stick tends to force it into one of eight directions when you push it all the way. Its a doubled edged sword, it makes smooth 360 turns harder to do but does make it easier to keep your character in a straight line.
Louis Thrift What's an analogy stick?
Right. I was a bit perplexed when the phrase "analogue technology" started getting mentioned. The Gamecube controller shell (and Wii Nunchuck) simply has indentations for the 8 key directions.
But you'll still get full range of movement between those indentations.
It's been removed since the Classic Controller on the Wii.
yes that is true, but why do the digital versions have only 8 directions of movement? I don't get it...
I find that while it is possible for the shape of the bezel to force the GameCube's analog stick into one of its corners, it isn't that easy for it to do so; as such, 360 degree movement is barely harder to do with the GameCube's stick than any analog stick with the standard circular bezel, if at all, and it's not enough of a drawback to offset the advantage of more easily moving your character in a straight line. I can understand Nintendo possibly thinking it was worth making the bezels for analog sticks on the 3DS onward a circle like everyone else, and I don't think it was a bad decision, but I think it would be great if the brought it back with the controller for their next system. However, as someone who is very much acquainted with this controller, I can say with certainty that 360 degree movement is very much existant with its analog sticks and in my opinion very easy to do so, though I can see some, especially those whk aren't used to it, having trouble doing so.
Ah yes, Fallout 4... my favorite gaem evur
Haedox You're my second most hated RUclipsr for a reason Hatedox!
Timothy Shoemaker Is it because you get butt hurt over his opinions?
It's not a bad game, just a bad Fallout game.
Kenmiester2012 iTs A gOOd GaEM bUT a BaD fALLout gAEm
Ocean Man You know those things aren't mutually exclusive, right? A game can be good while being a let down in its franchise.
*Insert comment about how great the video is despite it being out for less than five minutes.*
+ExoParadigmGamer Yup
Love the content dude, keep it coming!
To be honest I would really like you to review the GameGear games but if you need to hunt down all them emblems to unlock them I understand
One video that proves my dislike for egorapter
+ExoParadigmGamer lol. well said though, well said
"Sounds like some selective reasoning."
With that single line, you got my sub
Dang same
ExoParadigmGamer is probably my favorite youtube reviewer/critic for how thorough and unbiased he is.
I am not unbiased. I try to be open-minded, but I can't say that I don't have my own predilections that lead me to treat things one way or another. Either way, thanks for the compliment. :^)
Every person is biased to some extent. It's kind of impossible to be 100% objective when it comes to reviewing, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. I like people like Exo and Johnny because they try (and mostly succeed).
+ExoParadigmGamer I think "fair" would be a better word.
@@ExoParadigmGamer m.ruclips.net/video/SORYL5J1Heg/видео.html
I respect that you used to give SADX a “Remake” in this video, but IMO, it’s a “Rebreak”.
@@ExoParadigmGamer *If I were to rate the post-DreamCast remakes of the Sonic Adventure duology*
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Remaster (Remake looking at it on its own merits)
Sonic Adventure DX: Director’s Cut - Rebreak (close to Reprise, the current version of Re-Meh)
Sonic Adventure 1 HD - Rebreak
Sonic Adventure 2 HD - Remaster (close to Reprise)
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 (DC versions) - Replace
My main issue with the DX port is the simplified lighting engine and careless retexturing which really killed the coherence of the visuals. It’s a major factor to gloss over when comparing the two
Baylor Diamond eh, but this isn’t a boost game. You’re not just flying past the whole stage; even in sonic levels there are slower platforming sections, not to mention the hub world. It’s not a matter of individual textures being a little different, the changed lighting affects the feel of whole stages
the texturing wasnt exactly lazy they actually changed the textures to compensate for the fact there was no lighting engine with many bloom effects and bumps.
You seem to be looking for reasons to hate it
@@TheRealUnkn0wn_289 I certainly am, the remakes are gross looking. Ill stick to DC version because it looks superior
UPDATE 6/13/2018:
I have relisted this video by popular demand. A surprising number of people had asked why I had taken this video down, which means people still want to watch it.
I had taken it down in response to new information compiled by the folks responsible for Better Sonic Adventure DX (Better SADX), a mod of the PC version of Sonic Adventure which restores many Dreamcast exclusive textures and other elements to the PC version, which is itself based on the GameCube port.
At the time of writing of this review, neither Better SADX nor this document existed.
For those interested in a detailed breakdown of things that were altered or removed in the GameCube transition, check out the linked document below. I was surprised at how major changes were in terms of texture resolution and lighting, as well as tiny, subtle differences to enemy AI and boss design. Frankly, I never picked up on any of these differences on my own and it makes this review come off as extremely dated. Nevertheless, I have no plans to redo this video any time soon, so I might as well leave it up for the Sonic Adventure 2 Battle half of the video if nothing else.
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For the ultimate Sonic Adventure 1 experience, I highly recommend Better SADX, as it best combines the individual advantages of all three versions and restores much of what was cut in the GameCube conversion, including higher resolution textures and the original lighting engine.
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Huh, dident expect this, thx anyways, I think that will make the pc version of SA1 more playable since i bought before SLW, SADX and SA2, but i refunded all of them becuase 1; sonic lost world dident meet my expectations and 2; sonic adventure 1 and 2 would mostly crash for no reason, i do have the GTX 960 and tried installing them to both the C and E discs, but that dident do much either. So i hope Maybe Better SADX will solve those problem and a lot more. again Thx anyways.
You should pin this update. It's the most important of the comments you posted.
ExoParadigmGamer maybe you should have a marathon for videos you promised but haven’t done yet (like Sly 2 and DKC for Gameboy color) plus stuff that needs to be redone like the Jak and Daxter review
Also pin this comment
ExoParadigmGamer Where can I find the music?
Fun Fact: Big the Cat actually did get his model updated with more polygons, but since he was the only one still following the original model sheets you don't notice it as easily
I'll gladly give you a like just for taking a dump on Egoraptor's opinions.
Aside from everything you mentioned, one thing I've always wanted to be implemented into the Sonic Adventure remakes (particularly the first game) is the ability to play as Super Sonic in normal levels. I can understand not implementing that in SA2, but SA1's Super Sonic was clearly made with regular platforming and running around in mind. DX was their second chance to put that in and I was always disappointed they didn't go through with it, and even more disappointed when the HD version didn't.
Also, slightly lowering the decibels of the background music and (most importantly) spacing out the dialogue clips so characters don't interrupt one another would have been greatly appreciated in SA2.
How can you tell the decibels were increased (and even then, how many were increased)?
Skeeter Mania I didn't say they were increased, I'm saying just lower them in general. I've only played two versions of this game (neither of which are the DC version) and in both they seemed a little too loud to me.
+Lakitu1134 Well an unused voice clip for Tikal(The glowing orb that gives you hints) mentions Gathering 50 rings and pressing the action button while jumping to turn into Super Sonic. This implied that in Super sonic was able to be playable outside of the Perfect chaos battle but was scrapped because the level geometry probably wasn't meant for Super sonic.
+Lakitu1134 ...so the DX version not including Super Sonic made you feel DX ?
Spacing out the dialogue would be nice in most cases, but the "You're comparing yourself to me? HAH! You're not even good enough to be -" "I'LL MAKE YOU EAT THOSE WORDS" actually works really well with the overlap.
That point about Bethesda games is perfect.
+thomas garrett (Pokemastertomm) I found that argument to be very accurate myself, though I still think those games are still fun to play atleast. I would never call them game of the year though.
thomas garrett Makes me dread to see if the Switch version of Skyrim is gonna be just bad as the PS3 version at launch.
As much as i loved Fallout 3 and Skyrim, they dont deserve GOTY in their current state. Doesnt mean they are bad though. But i just hate that bethesda wont put more effort in QA.
And along came Fallout 76.
those comments aged wonderfully too now that the Bethesda fanbase is finally being more reasonable with the problems of the company's habit.
Sonic adventure, Sonic adventure 2, and Sonic heroes weren't bad games.
They were good
They were undoubtedly the best 3D sonic games period.
@Timpani That's stupid the Werehog is fucking terrible it's like God of War with less Combos and it looks more stupid :/
@Timpani I'm offended!
I got sonic adventure 2 and after the first cutscene I just turned it off
Screw the haters, I'm glad that you called Egoraptor out on his attitude. That's one of the reasons why these games have been getting a lot of negative press. Some big youtubers that don't even like the game to begin with put up half-assed opinionated reviews without even doing the appropriate amount of research just to fuck with people because they enjoy profiting off of belittling people that enjoy things that they don't. Your reviews of these games are far more comprehensive than just about anything Arin could ever hope to shit out, because he thinks he knows way more than he really does, and it's been pretty much confirmed that he fucks with the Sonic fanbase and blows the series' missteps out of proportion for views and cheap laughs. Good on you for saying what needs to be said.
Same here! As much as I like Projared, his review of Sonic Adventure 2 was garbage! And that started the trend that SA2 sucked. However, I disagree! Sonic just can't catch a break, can he? I seriously consider him underrated at this rate!
-_-
TytheGuy44 I can't stand Projared's review of SA2. it felt like he jumped on a Bandwagon for the sake of it.
Jumped on a Bandwagon? I felt like he STARTED that Bandwagon!
>.
TytheGuy44 Same! Most people who jumped on the bandwagon haven't even played SA2 and just are hearing someone else's opinion and taking it as fact. Also Lol are names are super similar
i like SA1 and 2 for what they are. Of course they have flaws but you have to understand the games were made at a time when 3d games were becoming a big thing, they were still trying their best with what they could work with to make the games enjoyable and playable.
I hate how whenever I say Sonic adventure 2 is my most favorite Sonic game ever, people always say I'm just nostalgia by it. The Adventure fans are getting bullied every single day in the Sonic community by having an opinion, and the community are defending these bullies, like WTF?
+Speed Freak280 You should see the SA3 facebook I'm apart of it and people just love to talk shit about us. Hell in the Dragon Ball fanbase if you like the original dub of Z your all of a sudden not a true dbz fan because you don't like Kai or read the Manga.
+Speed Freak280 On April 19th, I'm launching a new site and community which will have a sub forum that segregates Sonic canons to prevent prejudice.
There will be a Section for Main Series Sonic titles on it.
+Tornado1994 So what will it's URL be?
It's funny in my case too, because, well, I never played it in my childhood and I have no nostalgia feelings to it. Still, it's my favourite Sonic game.
Speed Freak280 Yeah. Goes to show that there's extreme bias with no gray area in the gaming industry.
A bit unrelated, but have you seen Game Grumps' Let's Play of S3&K? I fucking HATE how biased Arin is. I like how he complains about the game punishing you if you miss a jump in Ice Cap Zone, something that a TON of older games do, yet when you miss a jump and the game punishes you in a Mario game, HE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT. I'm sure he's a cool guy, but he would be a terrible game reviewer.
I couldn't stand their playthrough of Donkey Kong Country 2 for similar reasons.
+CVGaming Not necessarily defending him, but have you seen their Mario 64 playthrough? He's immensely frustrated the whole time.
To be fair Aaron admitted on Twitter the Zelda Sequelits is awful & in the first part of dead rising he admitted he sometimes blames games for his own mistakes so he's improving I guess
+CVGaming Like IGN's review of Sonic Unleashed?
+Kimarnic Dash The footage they used for that review legitimately made me want to cry.
*Just a clarification on what I mean by texture draw distance:*
It's only an issue if you're playing these games with traditional RCA composite (Yellow, Red, White) cables. If you've ever played a Dreamcast game this way, you'll know that the textures get really blurry after they get a certain distance away from the camera. The GameCube doesn't have this pop in issue at all; the textures look great from any distance even with RCA cables.
At the end of the day, I recommend you purchase a set of Tomee VGA cables for your Dreamcast, and a pair of Wii Component Cables for your Wii, so that you can play the DC and GCN versions of this game in 480 progressive scan resolution. When you do, the Dreamcast's issues with blurry textures disappear completely, and the game will look a hell of a lot better on your HDTV. I'm not sure why, but when DC footage is converted to interlaced analog, the texture draw distance just goes to shit.
Just thought that was worth clarifying.
I'd highly recommend against the Tome cables, they didn't work well for me. I'd recommend the Toro or Hanzo since it's one of the best VGA boxes for the Dreamcast
This is a lack of mipmapping and anisotropic filtering, it's not really anything to do with draw distance.
I've seen The Golden Bolt's discussion of the Steam port's Dreamcast conversion mod, and he actually brings up that despite the "Director's Cut" subtitle, the GameCube port had a different director from the regular Dreamcast title, since Takashi Izuka was busy losing weight directing Sonic Heroes. Does this explain the issues that prevent DX from being a Replace game, or the factors that put it up to a Remake score? Well, it depends on who you ask, but there's a chance it could explain it.
The Japanese Dreamcast version of SA1 has the spinny feet for sonic when at top speed.
Why was it removed in all future versions if that’s true
@@galfinsp7216 well, Sonic's feet had a stretch effect, and a blur effect. The blur effect is similar to Tails' when he's using his twin tails at top speed. The European and North American Dreamcast versions has stretch for Sonic's shoes, but not the blur. And every other version doesn't have the blur effect. Just look up onion blur dx
@@galfinsp7216some things are just lost in translation
"When a certain animator turn into letsplayer"
lol, so true
I have a good idea for another ror mega man 1 (nes) vs megaman powered up (psp)
+Lord Kirby That's one that's on the to do list.
Cool
Nice idea!
And said game is replaced with a game that I barely even heard of.
Two minutes in... aw, shucks, dude.
No problemo.
NickonAquaMagna I seriously loved the Ratchet Deadlocked review the 2 of you did.
+ExoParadigmGamer You forgot to talk about the chao garden in SA2 battle gc with the gba where you can get special eggs whereas the ps3 u couldnt get them. But very good vid man
16:27 THANK YOU! I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT SO MUCH!
2:02 _Ironic._
nonsense, big is the definitive factual best character in the sonic franchise
You should do a review on Sonic Generations
Thanks, Lord Gaben.
You reviews are so thorough, something really unique and enjoyable.
"Would have saddled you for a pair of 50 minute long videos. I personally would never want to watch a single review for that long." Heh. Heh. I see your opinion changed for SM64 DS. I'm not saying it's a bad thing cause I love your vids, it's just funny.
Pretty interesting how you didnt mention the DRASTIC changes to Chaos Garden(s) in the ports from the original.
What makes the (slightly toxic) manbaby Classicists (that's NOT to say ALL of them are; don't persecute me!) worse is that they're partially to blame for later Sonic games only having Sonic as a playable character and his friends either being absent or "of no importance" (to quote Modern Eggman).
Hey, here's an idea. The 20th anniversary of Pokémon Red and Blue is coming up. You should do an episode on FireRed and LeafGreen!
The best way to play SA1 is Steam with mods, TBH.
Same for SA2. But Exo's video was made before that.
Very Excellent ROR vid Exo! Shame that I checked it out so late. I think it's safe to say that you, me, and Nickon officially ENDED the Whole Sonic Adventure Hate Bandwagon that plagued the online gaming community last year lol. I barely even see people talking about it now.
19:08 You're going to LOVE Big's Big Fishing Adventure 3.
"It looks like an episode of Game Affrix."
"Shuh tup, lay dee!"
You ending words are so true!
I couldn't have said it better.
The part where you mentioned Arin, I agree with most of it, but I went back into SA1 and managed to fall through the bend just before the loops fairly easily. And yea I meant to do it, but it didnt seem to take as much effort as it took you, at least from what I see in the video.
Not saying Arin isnt trying to glitch it, because he often just yells and critisizes games just to piss people off (and a reason I miss the older grump episodes)
I think I'm the only person who prefers 3D linear Sonic gameplay over 2D exploration.
If they made a 2D Sonic game again, it will turn out like Mighty no 9...
Mohamed Alnás NOOOOO.
***** It looks alot better than no.9
Me too. I love modern Sonic!
Mohammed Al Nass How wrong you were
I am not sure if a previous comment brought it up, considering there are 582 of them, but what about the framerate in DX and the HD port of Sonic Adventure? That was to me one of the best upgrades for that version since it moved smoothly just like the sequel.
Also another problem I had with the DC version relates to the loading time, is the fact in the adventure fields every time you enter a new area the music resets, which isn't that big of a deal when you think about it, but when you go from the main street of Station Square, to the Hotel, to the Casino, it becomes rather daunting. Nitpick? Yeah, but it still annoying.
Lastly, no clue why they changed the text font in the HD version compared to the DC and GC version.
Other than that nicely done video. I personally don't mind the issues with the cutscenes (a product of the times, I can live with it), but I had fun watching this.
I remember hearing someone call sa1 more glitchy than 06. lol
Heck, game grumps called this glitchier than sonic boom
Oh damn it's been so long since I made that comment. Surprised someone replied to it.
i feel like you didn’t address a ton of problems in DX such as the night being broken, water glowing, weird water visuals and those visuals carrying onto land, broken lighting, and more
He has pinged a comment about how he changed his mind on DX since the video's release.
Says he wouldn't watch a video over 50 minutes long. Kids this is a quote from exo. Something's a bit off their sir. Hmm 1 hour ocarina of Time review and MegaMans and bass review. Intresting
Confirms that Arin is pretty much one big troll.
+TeckGeck What exactly did he do? I don't watch Game Grumps. What has he done to cash in on the Sanic-bashing fad?
Pretty much explained in this video.
I love him to bits, but he can be a complete arse sometimes.
He seems like that person who trolls an over dedicated fan based for his own amusement and probably does give any shit that people are taking TOO SERIOUS and most likely laughing his ass off that people are spending him death treats over something very stupid and Takes pride in being a troll just for fun
@@robertjoe9396 i mean its funny when people get mad for like no reason so i cant really blame him
Your intros always are always edited really, really well. I am super impressed.
Great video, as always EPG. Thank you for calling out Bethesda, they have a tendency to release a game with a bunch of glitches. Even though I'm a huge fallout fan, even I can't overlook it.
Hah... back when he thought a 50 minute video would be too much.
My how this channel grew.
im glad pc versions are modable to introduce best part of dreamcast in them.
or directly emulate dreamcast on pc yourself.
Thank you for being fair in almost every way possible. You are one of the most unbiased reveiwers out there. The gaming community and sonic fan base needs more people like you
selective reasoning... more like double standard.
29:39 ummmmmmmmmmmm...
ok then
Yooooosssssh
Game Grumps are annoying anyway, I could only tolerate watching with JonTron but I would rather just watch his own show instead.
Just the fact that you mentioned Puyo Pop Fever has me squealing like a little fanboy
I absolutely love the Puyo series
Yes, series, it's japan only. Yaaaaay
That game looks so fun.
Wizzkidwas The best part is that not only did the DC version have an English text setting, it even had English audio!
I personally love Game Grumps, but their biased play through of Sonic Adventure was terrible. I mean in the Ocarina of Time playthrough, Arin goes on about how he dislikes Ocarina, but can respect it for how revolutionary it was for it's time (1998). However, he never acknowledged the fact that Sonic Adventure ALSO came out in the same year; never detailing how amazing it was for it's time BUT INSTEAD judged every minute problem it had. Ugh, talk about problematic favs...
Theres actually more things about the cutscenes, I dont quite remember them all but a video I watched detailing why The cutscenes in Battle are inferior to the dreamcast version, one of the biggest reasons was something along the lines of tne Dreamcast being able to arbitrarily layer graphics.
Like things in Battle were layered in the wrong order, so lighting was awful and some effects were missing entirely bc they were behind other things.
Vid is "Why SA2B's cutscenes suck" for anyone wanting to learn why the cutscenes were wonky in Battle
Just an observation, but you forgot to mention the fact that the DX port of Sonic Adventure runs at 60 FPS as opposed to 30 FPS in the original Dreamcast version, which is an automatic win in my books. Sonic Adventure 2 runs at 60 FPS, regardless of version. Still, great video as always.
I have a question though. Will you consider in the future reviewing the Boost formula Sonic games (Unleashed, Colors and Generations), seeing that you really enjoy those games, specifically Colors and Generations?
I'm guessing he doing them in order
See, I'm horrible about recognizing framerates. People tell me they can't stand to play games at 30 fps, and I can barely even notice a difference with 60.
That, and my Elgato model can only record in 30 fps anyway, so I wouldn't have been able to tell from the footage. My editor is also finickey about rendering in 60.
+ExoParadigmGamer That frame rate statement is a partial truth. It is true that the frame rate is much quicker in the DX version, but it's also pretty inconsistent. Because of this, it has led to people calling the DC version more stable.
+Skeeter Mania I didn't knew the framerate was inconsistent on the Gamecube version of SADX, knowing how much more powerful the system is compared to the Dreamcast. If that's the case, then a game locked 30 FPS is probably better than a game that jumps from 30 to 60 FPS sporadically.
I don't know though, I played the Gamecube version via Dolphin Emulator with 60 FPS all the time and assumed the game ran the same on the original hardware. Probably the game was brute forced when playing on Dolphin. I also own the Steam Version, but still prefer the GC version, mainly for the graphical aesthetic. The digital re-release looks worse compared to the GC or even Dreamcast version (especially the water, which looks horrible compared to the previous versions). Also you can hack the game on Dolphin to run in widescreen, though it's a bit glitchy, especially near water.
Marius Urucu Depends, for me I feel much more liberated by a game running at 45-60 fps than a game locked to 30. It depends heavily on frame pacing though. If variable frame rates are not accounted for and it gets stuttery or slow below 60 then yeah I'd rather have it capped at 30.
Heroes don't need to wear capes.
I know this isn't exactly a fair comparison, but the best versions of both Sonic Adventure games are the Steam releases with mods. Both games can run on potatoes, so even a lower end laptop of today's age could probably run them no problem, and modding the games is as easy as a google search and a few clicks. There are mods for SADX that finally give it 16:9 support at any resolution your monitor can handle, as well as customization for those who prefer the lighting engine/character models/textures of the Dreamcast original. Adding mods is as easy as dragging and dropping files into a folder, and checking them in the Mod Loader. You can even reimplement cut features like Super Sonic in regular stages.
I know this video is old, but I'm a huge fan of you Exo, and I've probably watched all of your reviews at least 10 times or more. Also, am I the only one who finds it hilarious how poorly the comment at 1:56 has aged?
The gamecube controller's analog stick is completely analog, you can move it in any direction you want, it just has the octagon on there so you can snap to the 8 main directions easily. We know it's totally analog because in Melee you can do slight angles with Firebird and Firefox recoveries, rather than just 8 directions it can go 352 if you hold the control stick correctly.
Props for calling out a shitty lets player, and because your favorite challenge in sadx is the same as mine, it makes you feel smart knowing exactly what the description is talking about
Spoken the truth & NOTHING BUT IT ppl just like to talk trash about Sonic & jump on the band wagoon when most likely the Adventure games were the best in its times.
hands down i cant wait for Sonics 25th hopein for a Sonic Adventure 3 or somthin
It’s old and I just want to punch ppl who do
OK about this 'broken' radar.
It's not broken, it was deliberate. While it could be called padding, it fleshed out the hunting stages to a reasonable length. The adventure 1 treasure hunting levels could all be beaten in rediculous times and had no aim except fro speed. The new radar compliments the score based ranking as many times collecting an emerald piece that was not on the radar had a score insentive as it would break the time gap between collecting radar emeralds. It was also more fun to explore and come across a literal hidden gem and the sense of acomplishment that came with it. It does seem like a lot of people hate it because it was second. If the original adventures radar behaved that way noone would have a problem with it, certainly not the butthurt from a lot of people.
Umm, what? Sonic Adventure Dx DOES NOT look better than the Dreamcast version, i don't agree with that
I don't think the adventure games are bad but I do think they are dated as hell and would like to see them remade for modern console's
this is amazing SA2 is still one of my favorite games to this day! im also sick of the unfair reviews its getting.
Although I adore SADX, the Emerald Coast loop almost always glitches out on my Gamecube. Sometimes I fall through the left, sometimes I veer to the right, sometimes I clip through the floor. Arin might be embellishing a bit, but Emerald Coast is seriously a buggy level with issues in other places.
The Steam version modded fixed that.
Oh hi there! I didn't expect to see you here!
@@gabrielcousins2605 Agreed!
a year or 2 later damn my old replies were shit for this video i was incredibly stupid
But damn i see your points well tho great video
All I ever hated about Sonic Adventure 2: Battle was the fact that each Chao Garden's size were all decreased, compared to their original size in the Dreamcast release, beyond that, I think the game was much better than the original with the introduction of the Tiny Chao Garden, something that the PC and it's re-release on consoles cannot simply bring back due to the way it works, unless they wanted to pretty much defeat the whole purpose of it by emulating it in-game somehow. Honestly though I find the most fascinating thing about the Adventure games as a whole was the introduction of Chao and how much the Chao Garden changed from it's original conception in the first game, all the way to the improvements and additions they brought with Battle. I still wonder if the Chao Playground was originally supposed to have online connectivity to it, if that's true it could be why they never attempted to include it in Battle like they did with the Black Market. Woulda been cool if you could have traded Chao via online connectivity, something like the GTS that exists in Pokemon games nowadays, possibly.
7:25: I also wish that they would've moddified the light-speed dash to be like SA2 where you just activate it on a whim and not charge it up.
I knew I wasn't the only one that thinks that people who say the only way to play Sonic Adventure is on the dreamcast were full of shit.
Actually, there's a way to get the best of both worlds.
22:34 "Remake, but not by a huge margin"
So, remaster in the new score system?
Fun fact in SA2 you were originally going unlock Super Sonic & Super Shadow if you A-Rank green hill zone but time constraints had it removed ports still have the unlock text in the code so guess they were too lazy
Thank you so much for calling out the hypocrisy about Fallout 4 Bethesda pisses me off so much but the fans say that they can do no wrong
+devbyrd1 Same can be said about Skyrim. It was a good game, but it had a lot of glitches and bugs, and bizarre physics. There was this one glitch that made a boss fight completely unplayable and unwinnable. Or carrying a lit torch underwater without extinguishing the torch.
This has aged well (Although I'm hoping Microsoft is gonna be the quality check they need but I doubt it)
I'll say that Bethesda games are super glitchy yes, but the difference is that Bethesda glitches are hilarious, whereas the Sonic glitches are frustrating (Especially in Sonic Heroes)
what if it crashes all the damn time. not so funny now is it?
what if it crashes all the damn time. not so funny now is it?
Sonic 06 glitches are hilarious
TheAwesomeDude Some of them. Not Sonic v Silver tho
Which glitches in Sonic Heroes?
You want to play both SA1 & 2 the definitive way?
Try the Sonic Adventure mods fans have created that you can search through tutorials on RUclips.
I noticed something else while I played the Dreamcast version of SA1. It could just be me, but I swear to God Sonic accelerates much faster in the original version. The DX version feels as if he has a bit more weight to him, which isn't a bad thing, but I feel it's worth mentioning. And there's something... satisfying about controlling Sonic and friends with a Gamecube controller.
But the PS3 port? Nah man, from my experience it's a rebreak. This is a port of a port of a port of a Dreamcast game and I think it shows. I noticed way more glitches and weird collision detection in this port, and something is off with the controls. I can't put my finger on it but it doesn't feel as responsive as the Gamecube or Dreamcast controller. And I've played all three back to back to back as well.
I still think the Dreamcast version is the best version, but I can see why some may find the Gamecube version better. Better visuals, more content, skipping cutscenes, etc. It's a great remake. But I still stand that the PS3/360 ports are poor.
As for SA2? Yeah, I think the GC port is the better version. The digital version of SA2 is better than SA1's, yes, but I still found there to be more collision detection issues than there was in the GC or Dreamcast version. Nowhere near as much as SA1's HD port, but it was still noticeable to me.
And the funny thing, I find anyway, is that the whole Sonic Adventure hate bandwagon started around the time these two ports came out. And when I hear a big time RUclipsr talk about them, they always say something along the lines of: "I remember this being a good game, but it's so glitchy", while showing footage of the HD version.
Hey, maybe I am crazy, but I've played all three versions religiously. But I'm glad you didn't notice the problems I noticed with the HD ports.
And dude, I can't thank you enough for sticking up for these games. You, Nick and Clement are awesome people for doing so, and I hope this can be the beginning of the end of the Sonic Adventure hate bandwagon.
Sorry for the long comment, I had a lot to say! But thanks again for the awesome series of videos. MAD RESPECT YO
+The Ryan Sucks At Video Games It's the framerate difference between the original and the DX port. The original runs at 30 FPS, while the DX port runs at 60 FPS. So, because of the lower framerate of the original, it makes the illusion of higher acceleration, a thing I noticed as well on racing games too. The DX port being at higher framerate, it makes the acceleration more smoother. At least that's the theory I have...
And I agree with you, the GC games are better than the digital re-releases, especially Sonic Adventure 2, because of the horrid sound mixing. And you can even mod the game to run in widescreen via Dolphin Emulator, as well as playing it with a controller of your preference (mine is the Xbox 360 Controller).
Respect for the writing!Also I think people like to bash on it because it is an older game but when something like The Elder Scrolls V releases its "All ok because it will be fixed later".
No because there are people waiting in line for this "game of the year* only to get disconnected or clipped throught the map.
Sadx Sonic has the same physics as SA2 Sonic
Amy’s eyes are in the opsite place there supposed to be in game cube in the gameplay the characters are much higher poly than in the cutscenes. But they then sometimes use higher poly model if you look closely. Transparency has probloms too.
I recently got a Dreamcast and Sonic Adventure for it and I will say I think the Dreamcast version has more glitches than the Gamecube version because I have had a lot more instances of me dying from clipping through the level geometry than on Gamecube, mostly in regards to using the Light Speed Dash/Attack. I actually clipped through the wall of the Station Square Chao Garden due to using the Light Dash thanks to the Dreamcast version not restricting use of the action button to Chao Garden only actions
22:08 - I guess they’ve never played The sonic & sega all-stars racing games then but whatever... 💀
I think steam version with mods is best choice. You can make knukles and shadows to wear cool hats.
And fix mistakes.
I personally love SADX and SA2:B
I got addicted to the chao garden, so much so that I found Phantasy Star Online Episode 1&2 and Sonic Advance, to get everything I could get out of the game. Including the Tails chao. I actually have my Golden Speed chao saved to Sonic Advance, because it dies after 5 seconds in SA2:B lol.
Anyway, even though its a year late. Great review and I'm glad someone else enjoys these games so much. I wish Sega would realize this and make Sonic Adventure 3, and finally bring back chao gardens!
I always thought the GC version of adventure 2 controlled a lot better. I have the Dreamcast version and I always lose control on sonic.
The DC control stick is not better than the GCN control stick, Sega just didn't utilize the extent of what it was capable of.
I'd happily watch a 50 minute video from you, but I do think it's best you do seperate videos of reviews of games themselves and then their differences between versions so good call.
Hey man, I have a couple of "requests/ideas" for Remake or Rebreak... Not expecting you to do it, but I'd love to at least hear back.
FInal Fantasy IV, GBA/PSP remake vs DS/Android/iOS remake. Two different remakes of the same game, with different content and directions... which one do you think is best... Heck, the GBA Versions of all the Final Fantasy's would be cool.
Megaman Collection and Megaman X collection... especially would go well as a "Just the remake, not individual reviews," hell the GBA version of Megaman and Bass, (I disagree with Somecallmejohnny on the game, though I respect his opinion)
Kirby's Adventure vs Nightmare in Dreamland, and maybe KSS vs KSSU.
Personally man, I have no problem if you make a long review, I really enjoy your work. I'd prefer shorter videos if it just lead to more vids :) , but it's no problem at all if a video runs long.
Last week, I commented about the lip-syncing. gripe... and I'm following up.. I've been playing SA2 on my steam port lately.. and, for curiosity, I set the narration voice setting to the Japanese audio track. And I can confirm that the lip-syncing is consistent to the Japanese audio, not the English. The game's original audio was the japanese track, the English audio is a dub-over.
Is it possible to request an ROR for a game like Chrono Trigger?
bemasaberwyn55 Considering that he now has a DST card it's possible. But he mentioned in his Klonoa Heroes review that he's not that big of a fan of RPG'S.
I completely agree with you about SA1's DX version. It's still better than the Dreamcast original, but it was too rushed to do the good job it should've. SA1 isn't nearly as glitchy as people make it out to be; yes, while it is full of glitches, you have to be trying to pull off most of them, and like with Ocarina of Time, most of them are helpful, not an inconvenience. So if anything, I love it for its " glitchiness. " And you're right, the Battle version is better, just not as much. I didn't know about the Rouge cutscene being a little different between versions. I completely agree with your concluding statements! The Adventure games are so underrated by kids these days.
Sonic Adventure DX was also technically an HD remaster, since the PC version can run in HD.
Edit: Oops, I found his comment after writing this. Glad he has reflected on this video 👍
This video is definitely lacking in terms of identifying the ways in which the DX ports break things. I feel this would have greatly benefitted from some quick online research into what changed visually between each version, as there is much documentation on how each version screwed up visual effects. It's not just a loop-de-loop, it's much of the game's visual identity. Cybershell's newer video addresses this. I know it's been 8 years and you usually nail it on these so I can't be too critical lol
It seems like every year or so, people will find something "wrong" with a random Sonic game, and possibly say another one isn't so bad. This time it's the adventure games and Heroes. Who knows, next time it could be Sonic Colors and Generations for some reason either made up or overly exaggerated.
+The Untitled Team Actually...I have seen the more lighthearted tone of Sonic Colors go under fire (I think) because the story is "trying too hard to appeal to the kiddies" or something.
Personally, I think it's better to have a simple story with cheesy jokes (Sonic Colors) than a complex story riddled with plot holes and Out Of Character
moments (Sonic 2006).
To be fair, I consider the PSN versions to be ports of the Sonic Adventure games (specifically the Gamecube versions) rather than remakes so it kinda makes sense that they didn't really do any touching up on them.
The 1st re meh
+Alex Perrine Exo said he now considers Super Mario Deluxe a Re-meh so no. :P
+Shulk the Homs ohhhh
So I get the models look much better, but my GOD Dx has lighting and transparency issue.
He has a pinned post about it. This episode is outdated.
2:03
Well, that quote has aged, but for the better, I do like how deep into analysis you get into games!
Yo ExoParadigmGamer how come you have an American accent but use British slang like "Rubbish" and "Arse"? It's really odd haha.
When is the Dark Age Sonic reviews coming out.
Not any time soon. I want to move on to something else for now.
Am I the only one who half expects Ezander11 to show up with another piece of bread in every Washington residence recorded outro sequence? Lol
Sonic Adventure's digital remake did eventually add HD Widescreen.
It did?
Yeah. I have it on my 360, and it's widescreen.
Yeah. I have it on my 360, and it's widescreen.
Did you mod it or something? On my 360 it's still in 4:3
Nope. I don't even know how to mod it.