Notre Dame fire: Firefighters battle blaze as night falls in Paris
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Today, many people's bucket list has removed a line
this was no accident
I wanted to visit Notre Dame so badly. I hope they rebuild although it'll never be the same. This is an absolute tragedy and even though I'm not a fan of the Catholic church this was a beautiful, historic piece of architecture full of stories. My heart goes out to every one affected in any way by the fire.
Same ! I've never actually gotten there... I wish I did before this... but life is like that.
I'm not religious by any means, but I'll give a little prayer to the universe for this incredible piece of architecture and the people that loved it.
My wife has been there. Even if they did rebuild it, those artworks from medieval times can never be restored.
It said the interior has been saved
@Alida Green I retract my statement
I am not a Catholic. But even I see it as important for its beauty and history. And now I am going to curl up in a ball and cry a little at the loss of the Crown Jewel of Paris. Thank you, brave fire fighters!
now Disney can’t make a live action Hunchback of Notre Dame
Actually, at least now they can get a more realistic version of Frollo and Quasimodo fighting it out in the burning Cathedral.
This is so sad, it's a beautiful place. I would contribute to rebuilding it. I am so glad that I went to visit it. I'm so sorry France- our condolences from America.
I was there years ago was beautiful
I have the greatest respect for the brave firefighters who ran in and got anything they could before they started to put the fire out
Hey they had everything out before renovating so none of them ran in..........derp
F B I the crown of thorns a fragment of the true cross and one of the holy nails were in the treasury at the time of the fire that is why they ran in before they started to put the fire out
The people formed a line outside and passed things out which is why so much made it out in so little time
@@jixunx2268 I know
F B I bless your disabled heart ❤️
Well I guess we won’t be seeing a live action “Hunchback of Norte Dame” anytime soon.
It was a joke
Notre Dame Cathedral. One of the great historical landmarks of Europe. With everything that is going on right now, not just in France but in all of Europe, I can't help but wonder about the circumstances surrounding this fire.
Exactly.
It is strange and suspicious it's happening the day after Palm Sunday.
I visited Norte Dame, Our Lady, in 2005. Paris, during those days, was one of the most beautiful cities in the would and the cathedral was one of its most glittering gems. It breaks my heart to see the church burn. It is almost an omen of what the city of Paris has become.
No, not really. Fires happen. Arsonists exist. Faulty wiring is a real issue..
They’re doing a live video right now.When my friend heard this she bursted into tears
Over reacting friend
800 yrs. and right before easter. SAD
We're living dangerous times.
It might be a Catholic Church, but the true is that the haters of Christ hate all Christians equally.
God have mercy on all of us.
I think it was arson yes but I dont believe that you should blame all who hate Christians it was probably a solo sort of deal
Dude, this was an accident during it's restoration. This has nothing to do with a war on your deity's religion. Almost everyone with half a brain was horrified at this happening. The loss of all that history, art, and culture is unimaginable. I'm a Buddhist and even I was horrified to see this centerpiece of architecture, culture, and art burn.
@@blastermasterguy you're a Buddhist.... so you could not understand at all what the community of christ's church is feeling. Go back to your Omms and let us Christians concern ourselves about the loss of our beautiful cathedral, one of the dwellings of our lord and 850 years of spiritual significance. Thanks.
@@MegaMackproductions Wow, so much for the kindness, compassion, and understanding that your deity teaches.
@@blastermasterguy what do you want me to say? You won't even address the son of man by his title, nevermind his name (jesus Christ.) What? All of a sudden you're concerned about his teachings and whose following them, Buddhist? Let's start with one of the most important ones;
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Notre Dame de Paris has more of a soul than many.. I’ve loved her ever since reading Hunchback of Notre Dame years ago, then reading it again and again. I hope to see her one day. A sad day for art, history, and all things that should last
Notre Dame was such an old piece of history and now it’s ruined forever.. they can still rebuild it but it’ll never be the same. It just makes me wanna cry that we let this happen :(
Never been to France but this made me sad to see historical structure collapse like that, just like WTC.
Both Notre Dame and the WTC had the same tightrope walker walk between the towers of each one.
cried to see this, I hope they will be able to rebuild with the skills of yesteryear
They are going to rebuild. They saved the structure
Anyone remember hunchback of notre dame? remember when frollo was singing hellfire?
or when the church literally caught fire like that in the movie
You can not rebuild history. Notre Dame is gone.
It was already rebuilt in the 1800s and again after WWII.. The only original part part that is completely unchanged since the 1100s are the iconic stone towers in the front, which are still standing.
They saved the structure, so it will be refurbished to everyone wondering :)
Good! I was wondering whether or not it was something they were gonna fix.
I hope so. It may take a decade or more but I hope they'll be able to rebuild it. I also hope they managed to save the paintings and rose windows.
My mom showed me a photo and said, ‘Hunchback of Notre Dame’
Im also upset about this too.
We may have lost Notre Dame, but at least we can still stand in awe of Nob0dy's mom's wit.
That's so crazy because my school had a France trip (for people who took French) and one of my friends went on it and they had just gone their on Friday
Sarah Maine I was also there on Friday with kids from my school, we’re in London now but when I showed my teacher and classmates the news we were all in shock
All that goes through my head is if this happened by accident or on purpose.
@Kelly Roman same, with also the shootings that happened in New Zealand.
Very sad it is a big part of history.
This is not just a french loss, it's a world loss... It's so sad.....
We were supposed to go there for our 2020 trip to France for highschool....💔
Zoey volleyball ik me too:,)
Assuming thats for your English program?
if thats the case for us we got japan, tho i wouldnt be able to go either way D:
@@Mistyfgdf It's for my French class
@@Matthew-be1nq they saved the structure, and it will be rebuilt :) hopefully by then you guys can go, and it will be fully refurbished :) I'm a french by the way. Bonjour!
This is tragic. This cathedral has been standing for over 800 years. The period of time it was built in and the changes of time its been through up to today. Paris was already having a hard time raising money to restore it, it’s 100X times worse now.
I feel bad for the people of Paris.
Wow! Whoever started that has ZERO respect for anything decent.
Plum Darkness it’s easy to start a fire bud, not everyone who starts fires do it purposely.
christianity is not decent
Probably a muslim started it
I think it may have had something to do with the renovation. Maybe a mistake
I wonder why "god" didn't protect it. Thoughts and prayers you idiots.
For this to happen on Holy Week...my God. Notre Dame WILL rise again. As a Catholic, I guarantee it.
Your Pope might just want to erect a Mosque there, you know, to show everyone how inclusive he is.
Weird pivot from The Men's Warehouse, but ok.
@@redheadgonemild582 He is not my Pope. He is a Marxist and has no real interest in Christianity. We need a truly Conservative Pope to spread our values.
I don’t believe for one minute that the cause of the fire was accidental
It probably was a welder fire there very common
Notre Dame on Fire is an appropriate symbol for the state of the Western world in Europe.
Really that's not cool
The pinnacle of retardation on youtube.
That’s mean. Shut up Shotgun Arms.
Simply put, Heartbreaking. It’s more then just a building
It's an idol and a cult of pedophiles.
I went to Paris last year, the Notre Dame was so beautiful, it’s been around for 800+ years and has seen the rise and fall of empires. But just like them, it will rise again. This time stronger (who agrees???) I cried a bit tho
Well...time for a new kingdom on Earth then...the Paradise some of us dream of....without destructive people...forces...
Anyone else amazed that they already know categorically it wasn't arson before one inspector has even set foot in the place, incredible detective work.
The worst part is that there were about 47 recorded attacks on Christian churches in France in February alone.. as in one month.. so even thought French officials want to stay hush and keep it under the wraps most of the people actually know what’s happening. Sad.
@Jonathan Mahoney Yes I am aware of the facts, hence my post - They do NOT know what caused yet have categorically ruled out any deliberate/terror related cause before one inspector had set foot in the cathedral. And I quote -
'The Paris prosecutor's office said it was treating the fire as an accident, ruling out arson and possible terror-related motives'
An investigation of this magnitude usually takes months to conclude, so like I said incredibly fast detective work on their part, but thanks for your valid input.
@Jonathan Mahoney u dont know cause ? It muslim cause
No fan of the catholic church, but this is a beautiful building. Sad to see it burn like this...wish they could've done more
Pretty funny you say that with the eye of horus as your profile picture.. as above so below.
Finally, someone who has a semi- religious comment not accusing every Catholic of being a heretic
Im not sure if they’re broken (it most likely is it would be a miracle if they didn’t break) but imagine all the stained glass art. It’s beautiful and it has such a great history. It was handcrafted and now it is ruined. Bless them all it’s awful to see such great history go down in this way
Even though I don't see Catholics as true believers I agree.
If this was a result of a construction accident from the renovation, I would hate to be the owner of the company right now.
How do you know?
It wouldn't be there fault
@@fatnstupidstreams5959
The public wouldn't care about it. Still, would you like to be the one that got the contract for the renovation and found out one of your workers accidentally destroyed a famous landmark?
knowing the French, it will take forever to rebuild. sucks I haven't been to Pairs yet.
I know its not that simple but how do these stone constructs keep catching on fire?
@Gaafdovjun Gaming
... It's the interior that's burning, the wood, fabric, etc. Anything not made of stone.
Wishing all of France hope and well wishes from your American friends.
Michael Berta I’m sorry to say this but America doesn’t really care about France (sadly)
I didn't mean Fox news viewers. There are Americans that care about the French people and yes, some who don't.@@ilovekevingates6969
If you remember, most of the hate began when France was smart enough to recognize the justification for the 2003 invasion of Iraq was a pile of BS. The French haters are still pissed off that the French were right and they were proven to be suckers.@@ilovekevingates6969
Michael Berta oh I meant like the government not citizens
It is so sad to lose such a large part of history
Citizens of the world. If this is an act of Terror then may god help us.
Hope not
Probably the Muslims
@@Mvp-AngelOfGod me too. I hope not. War... god help us
@Judy G. Has it been proven yet
I wouldn't care less if the Eiffel Tower was destroyed but Notre Dame... that's a painful loss!
Whats a notre dame?
Who cares they're false prophets
same
It’s good for them that they rebuild the notre Dame. I am very sorry for the people who love them
I know but it won't the same thing, the same way or the same feeling as it was centuries before.
ok cool. But how did it catch on fire?
i wish i knew to tell you
They were renovating the place and somehow a fire started
Renovation
@Turbo Charged Maybe your type of stupidity is what caused the fire. God hates stupidity.
Ahhh renovations. It all makes sense now. I mean, don't you hate it when you decide to move your couch and all of a sudden your house burned down to the ground.
its surprising to see some of the people just, going on with their life.
i hope it can be rebuilt, this is just- wow
Some people are here with no sole,,
How does this happen after Palm Friday and before Easter .....was it just a coincidence ???
They were doing renovations of the spire, and something started a fire. An electrical problem maybe.
... after Palm Sunday ... before Good Friday / Easter ...
Probably not. I don't want to point fingers, but it could very well be intentional and it could have been an accident.
But.. considering how significant of a location it was and the fact it was in Paris .. I'm thinking Islamic extremists.
Or it could have been a few miscreants who left a cigarette somewhere. Maybe a candle or a fuse? We don't know.
@@khazms It likely wasn't some random or outside people since the fire started in the spire/among the scaffolding around the spire during renovations. If it was arson, it probably would have started more toward the base of the structure.
I hope the fire was accidental and not caused by some people doing something.
I'm not sure whether we should hope that or not. Imagine being the person responsible for this on accident...
Edit: of course it is better. Not sure why I immediately thought of that. Still, imagine being the person who tipped over the metaphorical candle.
Some people did do something. Some people are more protected than others
It stood for centuries; through war, the elements and time! Now it’s reduced to rubble! So sad!
What are you talking about? The cathedral is fine. The only parts that were damaged is the roof and spire that collapsed which was built in the 1800s. They also had removed most of the art inside for the renovation and the only known thing to have been destroyed so far is the rose window. The building was made of stone which resisted the fire. It is a tragedy but it definitely has not been reduced to rubble.
It is severely damaged though. Thankfully most of the structure is made of stone.
on one hand, i cant say that the catholic church has earned my following. but on the other hand, all that history went up in smoke. very sad
I know right? All the statues, all the artwork, all the history. I can only hope they removed most of it at the start of the renovations before this happened. :(
@@blastermasterguy that just makes it even sadder :(
Hey guys just woke up from a 2 week coma in Paris, cant wait to go to my favorite cathedral !!
how could something so careless happen to such an important national treasure??
Accidents happen
Marlon Fuller This Fire was terrorism ,not construction workers
Jack Place You don’t understand the nature of Islam .
My heart aches for you France. I hope everyone involved is safe, and that it can be rebuilt to its splendor once again. So sad! Thoughts and prayers .😔
They will rebuild it to its former beauty of a Cathedral.
@Jakaŭ ישראל Well, they can do whatever they want.
A terrible tragedy for France, best wishes. love and respect from Canada
Probably a damn distraction for something much bigger
Exactly this fire is by design of the 1%.
EL-HAJJ-MALIK EL-SHABAZZ probably not but ok
Go fukc yourself
EL-HAJJ-MALIK EL-SHABAZZ or maybe a national treasure to many was burnt down
@@vinebae_4593 Uh-huh 😂
That is so sad and I'm so sorry for your loss..will hold you all up in prayer...God be with you
He doesn't exist
So sad. Best wishes to France!
Remember people, it is only stone, wood, cement, masonry, etc. It can be re-built. What it stood for/its message and its spirit, will live on in Christ our Savior!
No they don't make buildings like that anymore😂😂
My friends brother was there just a few hours before, on a class trip
Totally tragic 💔Was there on Easter in 1984, light through the windows an artistic miracle, while listening to Bach! How very sad!!! Condolences to the French People.
Why support a pedophile cult?
those priests couldnt control their weed
During the great tribulation Jesus will separate the wheat from the weeds.
This feels like watching civilization crumbling right in front of us. So sad.
Well we've been doing that for a while now... but yes.
this is so sad. i love france and its so sad to see that something that inspired so many famous artists to paint be destroyed. i really hope that they rebuild it because i never even got a chance to visit it. i know that my french teacher will be devastated. :(
It is very sad, but thankfully they were able to save most of the stone structure and Macron said that they’ll rebuild it! I’m sure it’ll be just as beautiful in a few years when they rebuild it! I went a few years ago and to this day it’s the most beautiful building I’ve ever seen!
You can't just rebuild it it won't be the same
It may not be the same but it's spirit and the spirit of those that sacrificed to build it will carry on. Yes we lost a great deal but as long as we remember it it will never die.
Notre ...damn.
Yeah, not funny dude.
It isn't the money to rebuild Notre Dame that is the problem. It's the lack of stone cutters and masons, carpenters, and all the traditional building masters that will be the problem. We've gained much in terms of technology, but we have lost so much in terms of our ability to build structures of this awesome nature. I certainly hope Notre Dame will be rebuilt, but I despair at the loss so much of our cultural history. My ancestors prayed in this church over 800 years ago.
Damn I feel bad the'll have to rebuild it all that will take months or even years
Decades most likely
So so sad this almost made me cry
Rip i hope they can rebuild it
Sunriser rip who the hunchback?
@@tobyhiddens7233 the roof
rest in peaces..
They want to rebuild it as some leftist multicultural non denominational modern shithole lol Europe is lost... and just as an FYI looks like "some people did something again"
suck it frenchies all u ever gave us were basset hounds
I hope the piece of the cross was somehow salvaged 😢 Prayers for France🙏🏻
Make Me Verified I’m pretty sure it was, along with the Crown of Thorns that was there 🙏
Interesting. Everything gets set on fire. Paradise California. Churches. Crime scenes. Notre Dame. Whats next?
WW3
This will become history itself. To me, this doesn't erase any history but only adds to it. Imagine in 100 years a school trip will be touring the church and the new stones or rafters will be pointed out. I went to Ely cathedral in England and that church had calapsed and they built it back bigger and now it's a focal point if it's history
You know, that's the same thing I was saying to my dad. This only adds to the history of the building. If they rebuild it that is. If they (for whatever reason) don't rebuild it then THAT is a loss, but if it's rebuilt then it's really just another plot twist in the story... and everyone knows how much history loves plot twists.
I drew this for a project and now it's burned so sad
YASSS
I was lucky enough to go there 😢
Go Away now. Wow I’ve always wanted to!
Que triste es esto lo siento mucho. Es algo que no fácil lo superará la humanidad.
Very effective cover up. Lots of news articles - not one mentioning what everybody knows and is thinking about.
And then they try and spin it as a positive "Notre Dame NOT "COMPLETELY DESTROYED" [thumbs up smiley face]
Meanwhile you can see [various folks] celebrating in social media - - until it gets scrubbed and down prioritized.
Easter week fire,how convenient.
It was an accident
The cathedral has so inspired countless people throughout the ages. The WWII German commander of Paris, General Choltitz, a very obedient & efficient soldier, had direct ordered from Hitler to destroy it, as well as other Parisian structures of antiquity, before he evacuated the city in the waning days of the war. He simply couldn't do it.
@BTIsaac- German demolition experts placed three tons of explosives into the crypt of Notre Dame. In addition, other structures of antiquity were mined: Les Invalides (which would've destroyed the French Army Museum, along with its art gallery & 400 year old barracks, as well as Napoleon's tomb), the Palais du Luxembourg, the Eiffel Tower, the Place de la Concorde & Hotel de Talleyrand, the Palais-Bourbon, along with many other historical structures. The bridges around Paris were mined, several of them having significant historical value. All this was in addition to the more militarily important targets like public utilities works & industrial complexes. Dominique Lapierre & Larry Collins co-authored "Is Paris Burning?" in the mid 1960s, a book which dealt with this exact matter. They interviewed many of the participants who were still living (German military officials, French Resistance fighters, other Europeans, & Americans) & presented a well researched & copiously annotated document. The mining of French buildings is a matter of historical record & is easily researched. Check it out.
The only thing Christian about Hitler was his birth certificate. He was a virulent anti-christian & anti-semite, as were ALL his ministers. By 1935 he was persecuting Christians on an ever increasing scale: youth groups banned, Christian symbols (e.g. crucifixes, nativity plays, carols) banned from hospitals & schools, hundreds of priests & nuns brought up on bogus charges, Christian groups subjected to bullying & intimidation. It got worse before the outbreak of WWII & didn't fade during the war. And America's entry into the war had nothing at all to do with partisan religious politics. I suspect that you were trying to be sincere in your commentary, BTIsaac, but your sources of information are entirely wrong.
@BTIsaac- Hitler did indeed want to appear acceptable to Christendom, & gave numerous indications of his support for it. German protestant pastor Martin Niemoller (who eventually wrote the famous poem that begins, "First they came for the Communists...") was an initial Hitler supporter. It didn't take him long to realize that the dictator was a charlatan & demagogue, & he called him on it. As a result, he ended up in concentration camps for the remainder of the war. Although there were some elements in the Catholic church which supported Hitler, Pope Pius XII's contempt for the man & Naziism is incontestable. Because the pontiff's flock included members who lived in both Axis & Allied spheres, he basically had to be seen as "sitting on the fence", which some have unfairly portrayed as tacit support for Hitler. A review of the pope's activities & speeches, prior to & during the war, reveal a man passionately opposed to Hitler. Regarding Notre Dame, if you're denying the irrefutable historical evidence over Hitler's intent to destroy it, this discussion doesn't have much more mileage. However, you're probably approaching the issue from a philosophical or moral stance, in which case, many would agree. Why unnecessarily destroy an object of beauty when there's no need for it? By 1943, the war was turning against the Axis powers. In August of '44, Hitler was of the mindset that he was gonna take as much & as many people down with him as possible (similar to Saddam Hussein's torching of his own oil wells in the Gulf War, when he realized that he was being defeated & his country invaded). Hitler's name would forever have been associated as a destroyer of culture, but he didn't care. Check your sources for membership in the Nazi SS. Being a Christian was NOT a prerequisite for entrance.(Most were doubtless Christian, simply as a matter of elimination - they had to prove that there was no Jewish lineage in their past). Members were encouraged to renounce Christianity, & the SS unashamedly adopted neo-pagan holidays & rituals e.g replacing Christmas, weddings, etc. with ceremonies based on associations with Norse paganism. American propagandists were correct in calling him a godless atheist. Yankee support for Hitler was not that widespread, although it grew prior to & shortly after the war's beginning. A lot of it stressed an isolationist stance i.e. keeping America out of Europe's wars.
It was under construction? I wonder who got paid to leave the soldering gun plugged in.
Any major fire is disastrous. How ever one that served it's Purpose as a spiritual footing. Makes me wonder if it was a terrorist attack against the world. Something that would terrorize many of the world. We must look at reason and motive. Such a sad thing to the worlds believers. Our prayers are with you. USA.
well that was a pretty neat building hope when they rebuild it they dont use wood, maybe a more fire resistant substitute
That tower stood longer than the NY towers. I think. Some people did something.
You think? Notre Dame was built 700 years ago, the United states has been here for less than 250...
Of course it did. It was built in the 12 century. America wasn't even discovered yet. That was 900 years ago.
You guys realize the notre dame was rebuilt in the 1800s? That wasn’t the original. All the original pats survived including the 2 bell towers. Still, it’s a tragedy.
The cross survived
The interior was plundered and ransacked, and subsequently largely rebuilt, as was the spire, But the stonework and buttresses date to the 13th century, not just the towers. The interior was an amalgam of original and rebuilt parts. Most of the statuary was installed in the 1800s. Some parts are irreplaceable; the old growth forests from which the wood was harvested no longer exist.
@@paulh6591 do you think they will be able to repair it? AND WHY DID READING YOUR COMMENT SET OFF DEJA VU?!?
@@sunnyflowers9134 Ik I saw the image. Now I'm considering switching to Christianity.
@@seth047 I am still a Christian if I havent stepped in a church for 12 years? Ive actually wanted to go, just my parents didnt want to due to bad experiences with our last pastor.
Very upsetting, survived hundreds of years and wars and all it took was one lil mistake that caused so much damage and history lost in modern times.
This was not a mistake
Ted Garcia I hope you’re wrong
OMFG this is world trade center times 100 😭
No it's not. Was there thousands of people, a plane, and hijacking involved?
Alright dude time to back up....thousands of people weren’t killed and the countries airspace wasn’t completely grounded and shut down.
What people forget...Not only the fire but the water used to put it out will cause damage! 😐 This is the building that survived Hugenouts attack in the 16th Century Desecration during the French revolution, World war 1 and World war 2 but it is also the place where Mary Stuart Queen of Scots got married as well as James V not to mention the coronation of Napoleon Bonaparte and the canonisation of Joan of Arc took place here as well as the requiem masses when DeGaulle died and later on Mitterand...That building IS Paris...
K..........................you want a cookie
@@fatnstupidstreams5959 Uhm..no
Es, Muy. Triste y. Lamentable, Ver, La. Bella. Catedral. Incendiarse.. Nada, Menos, ...En el. ..Día. De. Ramos.......
Jajajajaja
Maybe God is telling you to stop building useless buildings in his name and use that money to help build up your neighbors and citizens.
How did it catch on fire?
Julia Aquino too soon to tell. they were renovating could be anything
It could be electrical.
Terribly sorry for the loss. I have never seen Notre Dame and regret that I may never see parts that cannot be restored.
I sware I've seen this several times before. Cathedrals are difficult to remodel. So sometimes they burn the insides out. I saw this in 1990 and again in 2004.
@High Bow Puffin 64 yeah renovations cause a lot of fires. A lot of chemicals that cause combustion
It must be intentional fire by some groups for sure
ARUN KUMAR I hope it was done by a rape victim and not Islamist person or the yellow vest peeps
It was under construction probably due to that
@josh p you moron, I'm troubled here because of the Devastation N thinking. You jerk don't have Ny sense or you just be the one who did it or your group
Now I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but a national tragedy like this does seem like a good way to maybe distract some people from the yellow vest protests...
Gandhi the Terrible But that was a while back and it got plenty of attention. This was a tragedy. Plain and through.
@@muun9403 It didn't end a while back, it's been going on continuously. The French government wants a way to end it, and what better way than a tragedy?
That is so sad, I am happy no one is hurt
Dang, I was expecting to see Quasimodo and Frollo fighting it out on the top of the cathedral
😂😂😂
if it helps I saw Frollo in the comments section XD
And then what? They both die by the fire? God knows what happened cause He had mercy on those who survived the fire.
I may be an atheist but this is horrible and sad...
i am too but i enjoy paris and art and history and i feel sick from this.
This is a perfect metaphor describing France's cultural and ethnic slip into oblivion.
Your description sounds a lot like America.
@@MistaTofMaine your point, I cannot argue against.
we,, ALL,, know who's RESPONSIBLE,,!!!!
Ok, who? The reptoids? Maybe the Grays?