@@djentile7773 they are counselors. I am sure they have the discipline and empathy to hold in laughter while someone is showing vulnerability. This is way beyond that.
As a counselor myself it’s seems at first that they perceived the initial confession as an icebreaker or connection point to a specific audience. As it went, it seemed that the mood changed and then they (including the round of applause during your continued confession) began to express their compassion for you as a show of support. Many counselors have the spiritual gift of mercy And many of them do not speak publicly but one on one where they are able to encourage the other person that they are counseling with as they are sharing their hearts and struggles.
They could have laughed at first when he stated I"'m a sinner" because it is so obvious that everyone is a sinner, it seemed absurb that he would say it like it was a serious revelation. Many people have a self-deprecating type of humor, so when he said he doubted his own motives for speaking to this audience, the audience took it as him relating to his audience as counselors who perhaps doubt their own motives for being counselors. The audience could have perceived his statements as an attempt at humor, which many speakers use as an icebreaker/attention technique. I think if he wouldn't have started with the absurdly obvious "I'm a sinner" as a deep confession, the audience wouldn't have been expecting something else to be taken as unserious.
Honestly I laughed when listening to it now. While I only listened to the small clip provided It was just so dead pan the way he said it. I don't know how you could at all blame the audience, though to be fair I did not listen to it in context.
Absurd? Very strange that you would justify their laughter when it was evident that he was serious and anyone who has listened to him knows his talks are always serious and gospel oriented.
@@Ellie_the_hoop3r Not seeking to justify, but to understand. I also do not know that the listeners in this audience were those who were familiar with his preaching style.
Evolution made man and we are all born sin-free. Religion is a guild scam that threatens you with an imaginary hell for not believing in an imaginary God, and rewards your gullibility with an imaginary heaven.
The only explanation I can think of is that the crowd seriously thought he was a some sort of stand up comedian to begin with. I tried to put myself in those shoes and I found myself laughing as well.
right? so slow on the uptake. most people are followers. I get joy from moments when God's grace sets me free from sin, fear, anxiety, despair. focusing on God and not the gifts
Agreed. I could understand why they laughed at the first couple it seemed like he could have been giving his issues in a light hearted way. Then I think it was just a snow ball effect. Laughing is contageous - and the energy of the room switched into thinking he was giving a light hearted opening.
The people organising the event mixed up his spot with a comedian so he got sent out in the comedians place so the people thought he was the comedian. It was just a mix up.
@@jared589 God designed our world so that everything would exist in perfect harmony. He made humankind in His image, so that we had the capacity to worship Him and walk with Him. Because God created you, He loves you. You exist to glorify Him in a real relationship.Mankind has rebelled against God, choosing to live for ourselves instead of for Him. This rebellion, called sin, has come between us and God. This sin brings about brokenness in our personal lives, our relationships, and also our world. Not only has it separated us from Him and His perfect design, it also brings judgment and death.Because God loves us, He sent His only son Jesus to rescue us from our sins. The Bible says that “God shows his love for us in that while we were sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). Jesus lived a perfect life, died on the cross as payment for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the dead. His resurrection proves that God has accepted Jesus’ sacrifice for our sins. Believe in Him and go to Jesus in faith and trust in Him and trust in Him for salvation and repent of your sins and He will hear from Heaven and forgive you of your sins and save you from all sin and from death and from the enemy and from the wrath of God that's against sin. (Romans 5,6,7,8, John 3:16, 1 John 1:9). I'll be praying for you to come to know the true God of all and experience His true love and Holy Spirit and salvation and i pray you'll go to Him and get saved Amen in Jesus name
I study language for a living, so my take is a little different. There's actually a whole realm of linguistics and psychology that studies humor and why something is funny. I'm no expert in that field, but there are two themes that come up again and again in the literature: we laugh at something unexpected; we laugh when someone lives up to a stereotype. In this case, either the audience found it unexpected that a pastor would come out and say "I'm a sinner" (keep in mind not all denominations of Christianity use this way of talking) or they are laughing at the "actually quite sinful" pastor stereotype or a "male" stereotype (he says that he feels instinctively justified in blaming others when he's tired) or perhaps an everyman stereotype. Think about why you laugh at certain jokes: one of my favorite kinds of jokes are relatable jokes (where I think, "Oh my gosh, I always do that!"). It's quite possible that the audience was laughing because they found his confession so relatable AND people don't normally give confessions in large audiences so it was also unexpected. I think we tend to default in thinking that laughter is derision but it's quite possible that the laughter was coming from a different place: a sense of understanding and connection. As other commenters said, he gives a "dead pan" delivery, with no indication that the audience has misinterpreted his purpose. So the other audience members who hear the laughter might join in because they, too, are interpreting the talk as humorous. What I mean to say is, I don't think it's the fault of anyone, and I think there are much more nuanced (and compelling) explanations about why the audience interpreted his talk as humorous that go beyond "they are all bad people."
My thoughts exactly Laughter ain't sinful.. I laughed because like you said.. I can relate with it. I don't believe it did in any way reduce the seriousness of his intro. This is just my thoughts though
@@galaxiegoddess I laughed because, hearing the context, it *truly* was funny seeing the absolute death of communication between Piper and the audience. Plus, as someone with autism, this is extremely relatable considering this is something that I ALWAYS have to watch out for.
I understand what you mean,, and I agree with it.. In This context, it would Maybe make sense for like.. the first 2 sentences. But then he directly states "I was not expecting laughter. You're a strange audience, I'm still perplexed. This is very serious, in case you weren't aware." And the laughing & clapping continues. That is very clearly stated. That IS individual fault. There's no way you can justify this level of understanding throughout the entire thing. Especially when, another speaker had already spoken before John and it was serious. It's very scary when a room full of people are laughing at you while you're humiliated. A room full of Counselors, at that. Not to mention.. This underlying seeking for "relief" through "entertainment" from John is cold. It just is, it's Selfish. You don't kick a man when he is down. We don't have the opportunity to enter a stage to confess our sins to potentially a bunch of strangers. Can you imagine? People taking Your Struggles as entertainment relief. Real understanding & connection to what John is experiencing most certainly would have ended before, and especially When he said this is very serious. I can't imagine that gut punch. It's cruel. There's no other way to put it, it's not sympathy or empathy. That's for certain. My reason for responding 2yrs later, is because I think it's important to point out that people take matters of God and the Heart way too lightheartedly. Why is eternal hell funny? Why is repentance a joke? Why are men specifically, shamed for expressing public emotion as if it's weak? Why do people seek solace and refuge in another's pain? Especially in the matters of Salvation. I'm a lot like you in the ways of being able to take a birds eye view and see from all angles,as an observer,and I seek to understand no matter the circumstances. I can use your ideology,data,research to an extent, but it loses weight half-way thru the problem. Thank you for sharing, because this explanation is very helpful and useful for solving many uncomfortable happenstances this life beholds for us. Hope all is well, take care 🙏
Thank you so much for your transparency pastor John! I relate so much! I struggle with doing the right things and worry that I'm actually being selfish and patting myself on the back for it, etc.. I dont feel so crazy now.
Thank you for making this (audio) video. It is refreshing to hear that a man who has been a Christian for decades also struggles with different sins, too. Pastor John is a very learned man of God and it was an interesting interview.
He was moved up in scheduling and landed at a time that was slotted for a christian comedian. The audience was scheduled to watch the comedian. That's why everyone is laughing.
@@irrelevantideology9640 The thing about being rescheduled into a comedian’s slot is not true according to many people. Piper has been interviewed recently about this talk and he didn’t mention anything about that either.
Pastor John, I actually would submit that part of the issue there is that, in spite of not intending to tell a joke, you had accidental comedic timing. Like others have said, the opening statement, "Let me spare you the analysis: I am a sinner." Is an objectively funny line. I know hindsight is 20/20, but if you wanted the rest of that to be not funny to them, you should have stopped and said, "I know, I know, obvious! (or however John Piper says that), but I want to bear my soul a little for you, and this is absolutely serious." Take the laugh, acknowledge the laugh, and then reset the tone. I know, the gall of teaching Pastor John to preach, but this might be a good note for others who find themselves in a situation where their audience/congregation takes a serious statement as a joke. Take a moment to acknowledge that what you said might be funny, laugh a little with them, then reset the tone.
I agree wholeheartedly. It sounded like a lighthearted opening, and then subsequent pauses coming out of Piper's confusion led to more laughs. I wonder how many of the listeners were thinking, "I wonder when he's going to get serious?"
exactly!!!! He accidentally inserted comments that encouraged laughing. He is a truly Godly and incredible righteous man yet his timing created a humorous narrative unintentionally. when the crowd starts laughing they get caught up in. None the less, it was a weird situation. I could cut his tension with a knife and his perceived offended sense...YET I often thought he was encouraging the laughing.
Sounds scripted and like people pleasing to me. His response was MUCH greater. YOU PREACH what the Holy Spirit puts on your heart and don't react or question what God is doing according to people's reactions. I think the problem may have been was everyone was "hyped" emotionally and not so much spiritually. They were at the biggest hotel in the Nation and "John Piper" wow was the key speaker. People were seeking entertainment or a "big show" probably unknowingly as opposed to serious spiritual growth.
I remember watching that video years ago, soooooo cringy and crazy, I immediately started praying for Dr. Piper when I watched it. It's totally like a surreal preacher's nightmare.
Dear John Piper, the message God laid on your heart about God’s Glory is life-changing to me. Recently. I have been reading God’s Word and listening to Bible teacher’s and Christian friends and the subject of God’s holiness keeps coming up. We are not hearing a lot about this on churches today as far as I can tell. The issue people are making of the “laughter” is only a distraction of your amazingly needed message in our day. I love my Heavenly Father and I praise Him in many different ways. I am thankful for pastor’s as yourself who put everything on the line to handle the Word of Truth rightly and faithfully. May God’s continued blessings and strength fill your heart with much joy! In The precious name of Jesus, I write to you!😉😊
I've heard it only takes a handful of audience reactions to turn a whole crowd. People follow leaders. These folks erroneously fell into the deeply engrained "standard comedy routine" reaction.
I think their reaction is because they expected him to be doing what many preachers may do for a big event gathering like this. They expected him to come out with a interesting, sarcastic and comical story to kick off the sermon. And when he stated his weaknesses with such humility, they took as sarcasm, and of course, laughed at it. I know many preachers tell funny stories with the same straightforward delivery as he appears to give in his very serious and honest sermon. So they were either a confused or rude audience.
Laughter can sometimes be the uncontrollable response to an awkward situation. For so many people that admire Dr. Piper as a man of God, hearing his open flaws would more than likely just not compute with their image. It’s difficult to understand that our heroes have flaws and aren’t perfect just like it’s difficult to learn our parents aren’t perfect either. Thank you, though, for your grace in this and continued reliance on the sovereignty of God who works beyond our ability to understand.
I heard the whole clip just a few minutes ago and I thought it was funny too. I understood he was opening up about his sins, but it felt like he was putting a thick layer of dry humor on it. It felt obvious. Clearly, the audience felt the same. It wasn't disrespectful, it was just a misjudgment of his delivery. His delivery here is much more forceful than a decade ago at the conference. And while he may say he's never told a joke in a sermon, most people aren't familiar with him and his delivery, despite his intentions otherwise, came across as very dry humor at that time.
A wonderful, humble analysis.... when I heard the clip it perplexed me too, but then it began to make some sense.... that you have fear of looking foolish, and they were laughing, brought what you were saying very present. Also, my sense is that they weren't laughing in a mocking way, perhaps they were very joyful, and couldn't hear the seriousness of what you were trying to convey. I loved the way you handled it! A true example. The laughter was loud, but I'm sure there were some who quietly, received the message and heard your heart. God bless you and thankyou, pastor John for staying humble and being an example, I learn so much from you, how to walk more closely with Christ.
I love how the way he said that we could be a poor judge towards other’s reaction and how God can work through all of our experiences with Him like whether we get bored at a sermon or laugh our pants off since at the end of the day it’s all His anyway. Focus not on others but on you personal relation with the Lord. Praise God for using him as a sample at being humble before God in these kind of weird reactions ^_^
Perplexing, but not bizarre. People sometimes laugh as a relief mechanism. Given that people in the audience were counselors - these same matters are the very ones they try to help people sort out for themselves on a daily basis. Most certainly, on a daily basis, as you guide the 'lost' - these are questions you search within yourself daily as well. And find yourself wanting. They came to listen to a man they hold in high esteem, who sets a great example. Only to find out he isn't high, mighty and perfect - but has the same nagging questions and criticisms of himself, as you as a counselor do on a daily basis. What a relief!!! I am not the only one... Here is the great John Piper, feeling just like I do. Hence the laughter. Not because John Piper was funny, but because they found their own behaviour silly& ridiculous - for secretly thinking they just don't make the grade. They were laughing at themselves, not at John Piper
I love pastor John and his ministry has affected my life greatly. With that said, I understand the quagmire of a reality that is comical in the confession of his vulnerability. BECAUSE I feel similar in many ways.
The body language, inflection and facial expression gives me the impression that telling the truth but making it light hearted. I totally can relate to his issues and glad someone can express it verbally without being overly serious. The Joy of the Lord is my strength.
I'd be curious to hear a response from some of the christian counselors in attendance. What did they think experiencing it first hand & what they think about it now in retrospect.... would love to hear from them
It really isn't that weird I know he didn't mean for jokes but his timing and word play sounded like he could have been joking in a sort of more curmudgeonly way
I think they laughed because Piper began his speech by saying "I don't think I could think of any other audience that would be more likely to see straight through a speaker than you would." here's the video, ruclips.net/video/zE1XAjwQB5E/видео.html, and Piper said that in the first 30 seconds. so that's his opening. he set the tone of the speech with those words and to counselors and psychologists that sounds like "you guys intimidate me a lot just by you being therapists... I'm here scared to death, I feel like you can read my mind, I don't even know if I want to be here" .... the people in the audience probably thought "oh jeez... is this dude for real right now? does he really think that we are always analyzing people compulsively?"
I just listened to it and was laughing the whole time. I was surprised he was such a great comedian. It wasn't until I read the comments that I realized he was being serious and heard about this interview. I never would have guessed he was serious.
I have just discovered RUclips so have no clue who this man is. I listened to that message because of the heading and was shocked at the laughter. I am 72 and been sheltered from so much of the world because I was born in Zimbabwe and spent my life there. We are so out of touch with world because we struggle each day for the necessities and having to pay for TV that comes from outside the country is too expensive. I am now staying where my family have wifi so can watch a few things on RUclips.
As a counselor,elder,teacher I laughed as well. From relief, like a light had been turned on in a dark, hidden room in my soul. The laughter was recognition.We all have a room like that. Recognition did not mean it was funny. It meant thank you Father ! Truth sets us free. Release.
The audience was supposedly told that there would be a comedian that would be speaking, but because of a change of scheduling, John Piper went to speak during that time. They would have been primed to laugh, and if you think about the video and watch the whole thing, they laugh at times that people would laugh if it were comedy. So it was apparently a result of a mix-up that they were laughing at John.
It is bizarre if all you heard is the clip played here. If you listen to the whole introduction that you can find on another RUclips video, he actually sets the stage for laughter at the beginning by insinuating that they (the audience, being counselors) knows what God knows and therefore would see right through him if he attempted to "Schmooze"them or in any way be hypocritical. An obviously absurd insinuation which comes across as funny being so ludicrous of a statement.
i just saw this on tiktok and had to research it - the video says his time slot was switched with a comedian but the programs handed out were not changed, so the audience thought he was a comedian
It’s so strange because it’s incredibly difficult for stand ups to get laughs, but for ten minutes he just can’t stop it. It’s like someone trying to not put the ball in the hoop but can’t miss. That conceptual fact itself actually makes it even funnier on top of what the audience already perceived as funny.
Levels of Godhead!!! Grace to you Brother in Christ Jesus! This is how close you are and are in the crowd. Black hole and white hole! Inner opposite as outer let's us draw nearer to one another and be THE ONE now bringing from the outer to us now to tell you.. GOD IS GOOD not some time but ALL TIMES! Peace and loving grace!
Pastor John, while giving the nine points, you could have just as well said, Jakes these are your shortcomings / sins, I could not believe how you named the exact things I struggle with, and as such I feel everything you were going through at that time. This message blessed me extremely.
I believe the laughter was just the audience feeling like the things Pastor John was saying was obvious because they all related. It's like if I spoke at a woman's conference and I started off saying I am a woman. It's like duh, we are all women. She must be saying that as an icebreaker. And they laugh. For them to be quiet at the moment might have come across as if Pastor John was saying something unique to him. He is in a room full of counselors who most likely became counselors because they are all sinners and all felt awkward and are all still dealing with their issues and that was obvious to all of them. It's like what eles is new. But not meant to be disrespectful but relating. I think this post is truly the only post of Ask Pastor John that I think is so off. Unless there was more to that conference it wasn't that big of a deal. The audience probably didn't know it was a sober moment or that Pastor John was sharing something so personal and what felt unique to him though not unique to any of them or any of us. I hope what I'm saying makes sense. I'm glad I wasn't in that audience and listening to this now. I would feel deeply misunderstood for my reaction and hurt that that was Pastor Johns take away that day. My point is announcing the obvious seems funny sometimes.
I've actually heard Piper tell many jokes in sermons before. I'm not sure if he means, *prepared* ahead of time, or not. I have certainly heard many off-the-cuff, in the moments, jokes.
So before listening to this recording I read through the comments and saw people saying "oh the crowd thought he was a comedian coming on stage" Okay so I listened in. And according to John Piper this was a conference with thousands of Christian counselors.....did you get that? Christian counselors. Whether or not they thought the guy coming on stage was a comedian it takes quite a bit of gall to not only think to laugh at someone discussing Gods Word and being a sinner but roaring laughter? Not even that but the fact they even thought this could be something someone would make light of and joke about is really disturbing. I'm not quite sure what to make of this to be honest it was very creepy to listen to and does not come across as a bunch of Christian people coming together for the right reasons. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
Yea, I never find jokes about scripture or doctrine funny. They disgust me if I'm honest because there is nothing more serious than Gods word, By it people learn of their depravity and the glory of God. It's a matter of eternal life or eternal death.
@@cyrusstombaugh909 exactly it is no laughing matter. Most people don't take it quite serious anyways but to actually laugh they way they did. And that this wasn't just a random group of people, but Christian counselors coming together for edification is just really bizarre. But many are called few are chosen. We can label ourselves all the religious terms we want but our words and our actions justify (and condemn) us.
His introduction sounds like the opening of an alcoholics anonymous meeting. It's easy for everyone in the room or listening later online to laugh. He is saying what we all know or should know about ourselves. He used his inner struggle as an example of the life we all face. Metaphorically He is flipping over a big pile of abandoned building supplies laying out in the back yard. We know what might be under such a nearly arrangement of scraps and supplies. Underneath is the brown grass, missing tools, slugs, worms, bugs maybe a mouse nest or a dead animal. Here is what all hide try and hide from each other and ourselves. This is our shared state of existence. So what can we going to do about it? It's a great introduction especially considering the audience. It's uncomfortable truth. Being spoken to people who deal with the worst of human nature, sin and suffering everyday. An audience can't be laughing and take seriously the things a speaker has to say? Does ever sermon have to result in people feeling like they need to crawl on their bellies to the altar in tears? Having listened to John Piper's for years I know he is a very serious intellect. It does seem odd anyone would have a problem with the audience's response because they didn't act as he expected them to act as if they weren't taking him seriously. This opening with honesty or acknowledgement of reality is where they work to bring their clients every day. Getting people to see their hearts truth condition is their life's work. I see this as more pastor Piper's problem not the audience. I don't see a problem with opening a sermon with making people laugh. Putting them at ease or pulling them in close you can deliver whatever message God has given you to deliver. I assume no one making these comments was at the conference or knows the seriousness of the other lectures presented. After possible lectures on ministry to survivors of domestic violence, divorce, sexual abuse, ptsd, and suicide here is a well regarded internationally famous minister of the Gospel who has his own load of personal issues. My mother used to say if doesn't make you laugh you'd have to cry. Is it a speakers job to take the temperature in the room and adjust or to set the temperature in the room? His response and many of these comment bring to mind the substitute teacher who doesn't have any history with and little understanding of the class he is taking over for the day. I understand it is being framed as a larger problem with Christian/church culture or lack comprehension of the seriousness of the Gospel but to me it's pretty easy to understand. His audience was connecting and hearing him. They were activitly engaged. The confusion is all his not theirs.
I think that the councillors in attendance thought is the speaker serious that these sins are worth detailing compared to what we deal with on a daily basis.
Wasn't it because the scheduling said a comedian was up next? They thought Piper was the comedian, so they were primed to laugh. I forget where I read this explanation, but it's the only thing that makes sense. Perhaps someone can reach out to John with this probable explanation.
I thought it was funny. What makes something funny? Absurdity. To me he's just describing being human. The struggles were incredibly relatable. So unless the presumption is he has transcended those foibles, which he by his words is admitting he hasn't, he's just saying I'm human and have imperfections. How he started it just made it absurd to think he was anything but that. And so it made me laugh. Not at him, but with him. To show a commonality of spirit.
The only thing that made me wanna laugh was hearing other people laugh which changed the tone so I just tuned the volume off and read the captions and I understood better.
This is easy to explain and the basic foundation of humor. It also explains why babies laugh so easily at peek-a-boo. Piper comes in and is known to be all serious and all his anointed wisdom. The audience is expecting some high level bible analysis and then gets "I'm a sinner". The unexpectedness of the confession from a preacher held in such high esteem is ... Funny. The confession isn't funny but the context, the people holding their breath for some amazing revelation from God Almighty and they get something that everyone knows and that is in comedic terms, the rug pull even though Piper didn't mean it. Love the humility and honesty of this man. That is honoring God. God bless!
Well, they are counselors. I think they thought it was an opening joke, like a lot of speakers, might do talking to that type of audience. I believe if Mr. Piper had set it up 1st they might not have laughed. Just my 2 cents worth.
I commented on that video about a week ago. I didn't not understand why they were laughing either. You were completely confessing and humbling yourself, and they laughed at you. But people tend to lean on sin, so they thought it to be funny. It was sad though, because you would think, they being your peers; they would understand. I believe they were not lead by the spirit, but led by demons to laugh. People don't understand people who can think bigger than themselves! So, they laugh instead. I have done this too, because people need to know where they come from, to know were to go. Some people tend to put pastors on a pedestal, and think they are above them. But we are human too! We have problems too! We should not make fun of God or the Word of God. You keep preaching how God commanded you to preach! We di what God wants, not what people want! Thank be to God! God bless you! Peace be with you!🙏🙏
A lot of people seem to be trying to rationalise why preaching would be confused for comedy, but without trivialising either it seems reasonable for there to be blurred lines between preaching and stand-up. The best of both involve getting up in front of an audience and baring your soul to try and make a connection. Observational stand-up especially is often about making people laugh through shared experience than anything inherently funny. I guess he's of the mindset that humour is trivialising, but it seems so sad that ten years on he still seems to view it more as a malfunction than a successful (albeit unintended) result.
Yeah... if the audience had ever actually listened to Piper they would know he wasn't joking. I think it's funny that he still doesn't get how it could have been perceived as 100% true and also funny... which it wouldn't have been funny to the audience if it weren't true of them in their ministry as well... which is the beauty of comedy. The hilarity in all this is that if it would have been intentional it would have actually been brilliant from a secular viewpoint.
.The reason the audience laughed..The spirit of laughter is what I heard..The reason He was not overstood...Is He cared what they thought of him..He said his motivation in your interview..We must never care what our audience thinks of us..when we do..we will Give our message rather than God's message...all is vanity....The sensitive man is vanity..the strong man is vanity..Oh Jesus..let the light shine BRIGHT on my path.
Apparently there was a mixup in the speaker lineup and the crowd was told that a comedian was coming on AND THEN John Piper… so they literally thought he was a comedian getting up there speaking, not an actual speaker 😂
Laughing at how the points are presented does not mean they are not listening or not accepting the message. It can be from recognizing the same situations in their life and from it being said in a funny way
Audience was told a comedian would speak. There was a miscommunication. The audience was absolutely right to laugh because they were expecting a comedian. Also, lets be honest - John was hilarious that day and whether he meant it or not his comedic timing and facial expressions were hilarious. Please please please someone inform John of this obviously oerfect explanation as he seems extremely oblivious to this.
Indeed. But picture the scene... maybe the event planner, maybe the DG ministries person he travels with: _someone_ after the awkward talk explains to him the agenda schedule mix up. People converse in the lobby after the talk. Attendees approach the speaker for clarification and follow up questions. There's invariably a line... The fact that this could transpire without a featured speaker himself being made aware is what puzzles me most.
I'm thinking some purple started laughing because they thought Piper was trying to be humorous by opening his speech with what they thought was a purposeful cliché on his part: "I'm a sinner..." Others, followed suit with the laughter presuming Piper must be attempting to be funny since others were laughing. Then, as Piper continued they all continued to presume he was continuing to be cliché by abasing himself. Not sure, but that's my best guess.
I seriously doubt that if many who responded with laughter that day were to hear themselves now would see/feel the weirdness and impropriety of their response to John’s honesty.
When he started I knew he was being serious about his opening and coming to expressing the grace he's received from God as a testimony to his faith... Yet.. I don't get how Councelours started laughing? Their supposed to be understanding to him
I really think its possible that the transparency was a shock and was like hitting a funny bone for them, and laughing was just the only way to cope with it.
In the pamphlet that was handed to the audience he was labeled as a comedian, so they thought what he was saying was supposed to be funny, and in that context I totally understand why they laughed.
@@The-F.R.E.E.-J. Well the claim of the program gave it a different context, content can change meaning based on it's context, I think it looks weird but idk if it's sad, it's more just interesting how that kind of a mix up can influence perspective and behaviour dramatically
The laughter is not at him or the sin, it's an outpouring of appreciation at the honest, humble vulnerability that they're connecting with. As Christian Counselors they no doubt long to see such things, but are no doubt confronted daily with fear, self pity and posturing to mask it. Personally, I really appreciate his message, but I am really really struggling with it. I don't think I desire to be made much of, but I certainly have competing desires that I know God is relentlessly crushing in my life and frankly, I feel crushed. Jesus says his yoke is easy and his burden is light. I hear testimonies to that effect, but I feel none of it. I feel like dying. Like I'm sinking into the Mariana Trench. 😰 I feel like I've come too far in the Christian life to intentionally seek a carnal life, but like all my striving to do the right thing (by God and others) is being taken as an insult to God which I cannot retract, and yet I can't really feel guilty for. Or, to put it better, I feel no joy in being released/saved from. Even considering God's supremely exulted position, why the need to burn such as me in Hell for eternity? How then can I see His grace as glorious?
It was certainly the most highly inappropriate response to any outpouring of open, honest, humble vulnerability and they failed utterly and miserably to connect appropriately with it. They were counsellors for goodness sake - would they have treated their vulnerable clients in the same way during a therapy session? I'd hope not but I'd certainly not be confident.
Sam, I hope this helps: A young Christian woman told me, "God promises us joy and peace if we submit. It's not that we won't go through trials, but how we experience them will be different. Anytime, I don't feel joy and peace, I evaluate what it is I am really serving in that moment. It's never God. I, then, refocus and glorify God and I always feel the joy and peace he promises." I've been trying this myself on big things and small and it works 100%. I know now to seek God, not his peace, or his blessings or even his salvation. Just him (through Christ). When I do this, I allow his Holy Spirit to transform me so that I genuinely recoil at the idea of sin. Doing it this way, takes the pressure of me to get it right. Let the Spirit do the fighting for you. You just seek God. I think this is what Paul meant when he stressed there is nothing we can do to save ourselves. Even trying to do so grieves the Spirit (because that's His role). Dr. Tony Evans says when we grieve the Spirit, we have to feel down, because the Spirit is inside us. If its not happy, we can't be either. I'll be praying for your joy. God bless you!
@@gabriellerone2619 thank you so much for reaching out. This is really quite helpful. I'm still not 100% sure what it means to seek God and not His peace (etc.), but I take it that it means seeking a deeper relationship with Him (flowing with humble respect and appreciation for what He's done). I have genuinely felt that appreciation today and for more reasons than your considerate response. I'm very grateful God's Spirit is fighting for us and that He encourages us through each other. I certainly agree sin is loathsome. Doesn't mean it's not a fight to resist, so it's good to know we don't fight alone. Bless you heaps.
@@samrothe1076 yes, thats exactly what I mean! That on focusing on our relationship with God, the peace and joy He promises comes naturally. We don't have to exert too much effort in seeking those gifts of the Spirit because they are promised to us when we seek His will. God bless you always!
What I took from this. Is that the struggles you perceive you have, Are not real. or are not as much as a problem as you think it is. That's what The Lord Christ Jesus reaveled to me.
I seem to recall reading or hearing somewhere that they were laughing because he either followed a comedian on stage, and therefore the audience was still in a mindset to laugh, or they accidentally messed up and introduced him as a comedian, so the crowd was expecting to hear jokes and therefore was put into the mindset of expecting it to be funny. Either way it goes to show you how audiences can become sheep.
Says who? The guy was hilarious. If he came to my house and it was just me and him, and he said what he said then, I would have laughed as hard as I ever did. Just because he was serious does not take away from the fact that he was absolutely hilarious and had perfect comedic timing. He would rock it at an open mic with that exact speech he gave.
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Piper: this audience are good at reading people so I better be genuine
The audience: *completely misreads Piper*
LOLOLOLOL this is so true.
Imagine having one of these folks as your counselor...
“I feel worthless and lonely”
“Hahahahaha, that’s hilarious!”
yikers
Also the fact that it is almost impossible to not laugh when it is a highly inappropriate time to.
Djentile 777 I do have that problem lol
@@djentile7773 they are counselors. I am sure they have the discipline and empathy to hold in laughter while someone is showing vulnerability. This is way beyond that.
I understand...how wierd that is...
A great man of God.Humble enough to speak out on his weaknesses as a Christian. So humbling,so human. God bless him more for his honesty.
As a counselor myself it’s seems at first that they perceived the initial confession as an icebreaker or connection point to a specific audience. As it went, it seemed that the mood changed and then they (including the round of applause during your continued confession) began to express their compassion for you as a show of support. Many counselors have the spiritual gift of mercy And many of them do not speak publicly but one on one where they are able to encourage the other person that they are counseling with as they are sharing their hearts and struggles.
Pastor piper.. As a person who's left Christianity for 2 decades, your humility and grace reminds me all things good about jesus🙇♂️
Come back to the Father’s house 🙏
They could have laughed at first when he stated I"'m a sinner" because it is so obvious that everyone is a sinner, it seemed absurb that he would say it like it was a serious revelation. Many people have a self-deprecating type of humor, so when he said he doubted his own motives for speaking to this audience, the audience took it as him relating to his audience as counselors who perhaps doubt their own motives for being counselors. The audience could have perceived his statements as an attempt at humor, which many speakers use as an icebreaker/attention technique. I think if he wouldn't have started with the absurdly obvious "I'm a sinner" as a deep confession, the audience wouldn't have been expecting something else to be taken as unserious.
Honestly I laughed when listening to it now. While I only listened to the small clip provided It was just so dead pan the way he said it. I don't know how you could at all blame the audience, though to be fair I did not listen to it in context.
Absurd? Very strange that you would justify their laughter when it was evident that he was serious and anyone who has listened to him knows his talks are always serious and gospel oriented.
@@Ellie_the_hoop3r Not seeking to justify, but to understand. I also do not know that the listeners in this audience were those who were familiar with his preaching style.
Evolution made man and we are all born sin-free. Religion is a guild scam that threatens you with an imaginary hell for not believing in an imaginary God, and rewards your gullibility with an imaginary heaven.
EXACTLY
The only explanation I can think of is that the crowd seriously thought he was a some sort of stand up comedian to begin with. I tried to put myself in those shoes and I found myself laughing as well.
I agree.
Yeah the modern church is so not use to that kind of talk it seemed like a comical bit of self degradation / transparency.
I think they misunderstood what he was saying as being self deprecating humour. But when they kept laughing it was kinda weird....
right? so slow on the uptake. most people are followers. I get joy from moments when God's grace sets me free from sin, fear, anxiety, despair. focusing on God and not the gifts
Agreed. I could understand why they laughed at the first couple it seemed like he could have been giving his issues in a light hearted way. Then I think it was just a snow ball effect. Laughing is contageous - and the energy of the room switched into thinking he was giving a light hearted opening.
The people organising the event mixed up his spot with a comedian so he got sent out in the comedians place so the people thought he was the comedian. It was just a mix up.
This is wierd, sounds like a 80's citcom audience
Who’s here because of TikTok?
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I’m so confused... what tiktok is this from?
@@jared589 God designed our world so that everything would exist in perfect harmony. He made humankind in His image, so that we had the capacity to worship Him and walk with Him. Because God created you, He loves you. You exist to glorify Him in a real relationship.Mankind has rebelled against God, choosing to live for ourselves instead of for Him. This rebellion, called sin, has come between us and God. This sin brings about brokenness in our personal lives, our relationships, and also our world. Not only has it separated us from Him and His perfect design, it also brings judgment and death.Because God loves us, He sent His only son Jesus to rescue us from our sins. The Bible says that “God shows his love for us in that while we were sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). Jesus lived a perfect life, died on the cross as payment for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the dead. His resurrection proves that God has accepted Jesus’ sacrifice for our sins. Believe in Him and go to Jesus in faith and trust in Him and trust in Him for salvation and repent of your sins and He will hear from Heaven and forgive you of your sins and save you from all sin and from death and from the enemy and from the wrath of God that's against sin. (Romans 5,6,7,8, John 3:16, 1 John 1:9). I'll be praying for you to come to know the true God of all and experience His true love and Holy Spirit and salvation and i pray you'll go to Him and get saved Amen in Jesus name
I love his temperament to be able to speak on the event without condemning the congregation.
I study language for a living, so my take is a little different. There's actually a whole realm of linguistics and psychology that studies humor and why something is funny. I'm no expert in that field, but there are two themes that come up again and again in the literature: we laugh at something unexpected; we laugh when someone lives up to a stereotype. In this case, either the audience found it unexpected that a pastor would come out and say "I'm a sinner" (keep in mind not all denominations of Christianity use this way of talking) or they are laughing at the "actually quite sinful" pastor stereotype or a "male" stereotype (he says that he feels instinctively justified in blaming others when he's tired) or perhaps an everyman stereotype.
Think about why you laugh at certain jokes: one of my favorite kinds of jokes are relatable jokes (where I think, "Oh my gosh, I always do that!"). It's quite possible that the audience was laughing because they found his confession so relatable AND people don't normally give confessions in large audiences so it was also unexpected. I think we tend to default in thinking that laughter is derision but it's quite possible that the laughter was coming from a different place: a sense of understanding and connection.
As other commenters said, he gives a "dead pan" delivery, with no indication that the audience has misinterpreted his purpose. So the other audience members who hear the laughter might join in because they, too, are interpreting the talk as humorous. What I mean to say is, I don't think it's the fault of anyone, and I think there are much more nuanced (and compelling) explanations about why the audience interpreted his talk as humorous that go beyond "they are all bad people."
My thoughts exactly
Laughter ain't sinful.. I laughed because like you said.. I can relate with it.
I don't believe it did in any way reduce the seriousness of his intro. This is just my thoughts though
They laughed because he got switched time slots with a comedian. They thought he was a comedian doing a bit
@@galaxiegoddess I laughed because, hearing the context, it *truly* was funny seeing the absolute death of communication between Piper and the audience. Plus, as someone with autism, this is extremely relatable considering this is something that I ALWAYS have to watch out for.
I understand what you mean,, and I agree with it.. In This context, it would Maybe make sense for like.. the first 2 sentences. But then he directly states "I was not expecting laughter. You're a strange audience, I'm still perplexed. This is very serious, in case you weren't aware." And the laughing & clapping continues. That is very clearly stated. That IS individual fault. There's no way you can justify this level of understanding throughout the entire thing. Especially when, another speaker had already spoken before John and it was serious. It's very scary when a room full of people are laughing at you while you're humiliated. A room full of Counselors, at that. Not to mention.. This underlying seeking for "relief" through "entertainment" from John is cold. It just is, it's Selfish. You don't kick a man when he is down. We don't have the opportunity to enter a stage to confess our sins to potentially a bunch of strangers. Can you imagine? People taking Your Struggles as entertainment relief. Real understanding & connection to what John is experiencing most certainly would have ended before, and especially When he said this is very serious. I can't imagine that gut punch. It's cruel. There's no other way to put it, it's not sympathy or empathy. That's for certain.
My reason for responding 2yrs later, is because I think it's important to point out that people take matters of God and the Heart way too lightheartedly. Why is eternal hell funny? Why is repentance a joke? Why are men specifically, shamed for expressing public emotion as if it's weak? Why do people seek solace and refuge in another's pain? Especially in the matters of Salvation. I'm a lot like you in the ways of being able to take a birds eye view and see from all angles,as an observer,and I seek to understand no matter the circumstances. I can use your ideology,data,research to an extent, but it loses weight half-way thru the problem. Thank you for sharing, because this explanation is very helpful and useful for solving many uncomfortable happenstances this life beholds for us. Hope all is well, take care 🙏
Thank you so much for your transparency pastor John! I relate so much! I struggle with doing the right things and worry that I'm actually being selfish and patting myself on the back for it, etc.. I dont feel so crazy now.
Tabitha Davis I struggle with this too
Thank you for making this (audio) video. It is refreshing to hear that a man who has been a Christian for decades also struggles with different sins, too. Pastor John is a very learned man of God and it was an interesting interview.
He was moved up in scheduling and landed at a time that was slotted for a christian comedian.
The audience was scheduled to watch the comedian. That's why everyone is laughing.
How is it that everyone knows this but in this interview he still has no idea and none of the people emailing them about it mention the reason either
People who were there have said that this is false.
Is this legit?
@@irrelevantideology9640 The thing about being rescheduled into a comedian’s slot is not true according to many people. Piper has been interviewed recently about this talk and he didn’t mention anything about that either.
Even better 🤣. He deserved it
Pastor John, I actually would submit that part of the issue there is that, in spite of not intending to tell a joke, you had accidental comedic timing. Like others have said, the opening statement, "Let me spare you the analysis: I am a sinner." Is an objectively funny line. I know hindsight is 20/20, but if you wanted the rest of that to be not funny to them, you should have stopped and said, "I know, I know, obvious! (or however John Piper says that), but I want to bear my soul a little for you, and this is absolutely serious." Take the laugh, acknowledge the laugh, and then reset the tone.
I know, the gall of teaching Pastor John to preach, but this might be a good note for others who find themselves in a situation where their audience/congregation takes a serious statement as a joke. Take a moment to acknowledge that what you said might be funny, laugh a little with them, then reset the tone.
I've even stopped to say, "You know, I didn't intend that as a joke, but it was kind of funny to say, wasn't it?"
I agree wholeheartedly. It sounded like a lighthearted opening, and then subsequent pauses coming out of Piper's confusion led to more laughs. I wonder how many of the listeners were thinking, "I wonder when he's going to get serious?"
I have watched the video a couple of times, still can't understand why people were laughing... I think I would never fathom it.
exactly!!!! He accidentally inserted comments that encouraged laughing. He is a truly Godly and incredible righteous man yet his timing created a humorous narrative unintentionally. when the crowd starts laughing they get caught up in. None the less, it was a weird situation. I could cut his tension with a knife and his perceived offended sense...YET I often thought he was encouraging the laughing.
Sounds scripted and like people pleasing to me. His response was MUCH greater. YOU PREACH what the Holy Spirit puts on your heart and don't react or question what God is doing according to people's reactions. I think the problem may have been was everyone was "hyped" emotionally and not so much spiritually. They were at the biggest hotel in the Nation and "John Piper" wow was the key speaker. People were seeking entertainment or a "big show" probably unknowingly as opposed to serious spiritual growth.
I guess its called irony, and the audience misunderstood the delivery
Legitimately creeped me out. Unno the goosebumps when you're terrified? Seriously creeped me out.
I remember watching that video years ago, soooooo cringy and crazy, I immediately started praying for Dr. Piper when I watched it. It's totally like a surreal preacher's nightmare.
Dear John Piper, the message God laid on your heart about God’s Glory is life-changing to me. Recently. I have been reading God’s Word and listening to Bible teacher’s and Christian friends and the subject of God’s holiness keeps coming up. We are not hearing a lot about this on churches today as far as I can tell. The issue people are making of the “laughter” is only a distraction of your amazingly needed message in our day. I love my Heavenly Father and I praise Him in many different ways. I am thankful for pastor’s as yourself who put everything on the line to handle the Word of Truth rightly and faithfully. May God’s continued blessings and strength fill your heart with much joy! In The precious name of Jesus, I write to you!😉😊
I've heard it only takes a handful of audience reactions to turn a whole crowd. People follow leaders. These folks erroneously fell into the deeply engrained "standard comedy routine" reaction.
I think their reaction is because they expected him to be doing what many preachers may do for a big event gathering like this. They expected him to come out with a interesting, sarcastic and comical story to kick off the sermon. And when he stated his weaknesses with such humility, they took as sarcasm, and of course, laughed at it. I know many preachers tell funny stories with the same straightforward delivery as he appears to give in his very serious and honest sermon. So they were either a confused or rude audience.
That’s really weird wow
I’m sorry Pastor Piper
Laughter can sometimes be the uncontrollable response to an awkward situation. For so many people that admire Dr. Piper as a man of God, hearing his open flaws would more than likely just not compute with their image. It’s difficult to understand that our heroes have flaws and aren’t perfect just like it’s difficult to learn our parents aren’t perfect either.
Thank you, though, for your grace in this and continued reliance on the sovereignty of God who works beyond our ability to understand.
I heard the whole clip just a few minutes ago and I thought it was funny too. I understood he was opening up about his sins, but it felt like he was putting a thick layer of dry humor on it. It felt obvious.
Clearly, the audience felt the same. It wasn't disrespectful, it was just a misjudgment of his delivery. His delivery here is much more forceful than a decade ago at the conference. And while he may say he's never told a joke in a sermon, most people aren't familiar with him and his delivery, despite his intentions otherwise, came across as very dry humor at that time.
Or the times got switched and these people weren't counselors at all
A wonderful, humble analysis.... when I heard the clip it perplexed me too, but then it began to make some sense.... that you have fear of looking foolish, and they were laughing, brought what you were saying very present. Also, my sense is that they weren't laughing in a mocking way, perhaps they were very joyful, and couldn't hear the seriousness of what you were trying to convey. I loved the way you handled it! A true example. The laughter was loud, but I'm sure there were some who quietly, received the message and heard your heart. God bless you and thankyou, pastor John for staying humble and being an example, I learn so much from you, how to walk more closely with Christ.
A wealth of wisdom is found in this episode. John Piper has never disappointed me.
The laughter surprised me,too! I was identifying with his confessions, being reminded that I must constantly be on guard against prideful motives.
Oh my... That is so weird it was almost creepy.
I know!!!! Right? It felt weird to hear it!!!
Agree! 😮
Have you checked Matt Chandler on Orange Revival?
It sounded scary for sure! Very creepy. It’s a mechanical laughter. Just weird!
Creepy laughter like it was demonic
Am I the only one who found the misunderstanding and absurdism of this laughter very funny? I love Jesus and John Piper.
I never thought that I could laugh this much from hearing APJ.
This is why they say laughter is contagious.
I love how the way he said that we could be a poor judge towards other’s reaction and how God can work through all of our experiences with Him like whether we get bored at a sermon or laugh our pants off since at the end of the day it’s all His anyway. Focus not on others but on you personal relation with the Lord. Praise God for using him as a sample at being humble before God in these kind of weird reactions ^_^
I thought the incident was absolutely hilarious. And Piper's authenticity in the moment was so perfect. *And I am continually perplexed.." 😂😂😂
“ I guess get it out of your system”😂😂
Yikes
People are Strange in awkward situations.
If I were ' Confessing 'and laughter
Broke out....
I'd tell a "Knock-Knock Joke!"
or blame the dog 🐕 .
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Perplexing, but not bizarre. People sometimes laugh as a relief mechanism. Given that people in the audience were counselors - these same matters are the very ones they try to help people sort out for themselves on a daily basis. Most certainly, on a daily basis, as you guide the 'lost' - these are questions you search within yourself daily as well. And find yourself wanting. They came to listen to a man they hold in high esteem, who sets a great example. Only to find out he isn't high, mighty and perfect - but has the same nagging questions and criticisms of himself, as you as a counselor do on a daily basis. What a relief!!! I am not the only one... Here is the great John Piper, feeling just like I do. Hence the laughter. Not because John Piper was funny, but because they found their own behaviour silly& ridiculous - for secretly thinking they just don't make the grade. They were laughing at themselves, not at John Piper
I love pastor John and his ministry has affected my life greatly.
With that said, I understand the quagmire of a reality that is comical in the confession of his vulnerability. BECAUSE I feel similar in many ways.
The body language, inflection and facial expression gives me the impression that telling the truth but making it light hearted. I totally can relate to his issues and glad someone can express it verbally without being overly serious. The Joy of the Lord is my strength.
I'd be curious to hear a response from some of the christian counselors in attendance. What did they think experiencing it first hand & what they think about it now in retrospect.... would love to hear from them
What?!? Almost sounds like the fake audience Clips and laughter that old game shows used to add.
Thank the Lord our God for humility.
The guy has a natural delivery of a pro comedian.
It really isn't that weird I know he didn't mean for jokes but his timing and word play sounded like he could have been joking in a sort of more curmudgeonly way
I think they laughed because Piper began his speech by saying "I don't think I could think of any other audience that would be more likely to see straight through a speaker than you would." here's the video, ruclips.net/video/zE1XAjwQB5E/видео.html, and Piper said that in the first 30 seconds. so that's his opening. he set the tone of the speech with those words and to counselors and psychologists that sounds like "you guys intimidate me a lot just by you being therapists... I'm here scared to death, I feel like you can read my mind, I don't even know if I want to be here" .... the people in the audience probably thought "oh jeez... is this dude for real right now? does he really think that we are always analyzing people compulsively?"
I just listened to it and was laughing the whole time. I was surprised he was such a great comedian. It wasn't until I read the comments that I realized he was being serious and heard about this interview. I never would have guessed he was serious.
Me too! I thought it was all dry bar comedy
I remember listening to that sermon... It was painful to listen to the laughter... Very uncomfortable
Piper ✊🏾 we need more like him
I have just discovered RUclips so have no clue who this man is. I listened to that message because of the heading and was shocked at the laughter. I am 72 and been sheltered from so much of the world because I was born in Zimbabwe and spent my life there. We are so out of touch with world because we struggle each day for the necessities and having to pay for TV that comes from outside the country is too expensive. I am now staying where my family have wifi so can watch a few things on RUclips.
God bless you, brother. You might be better off without yt. 😉
As a counselor,elder,teacher I laughed as well. From relief, like a light had been turned on in a dark, hidden room in my soul. The laughter was recognition.We all have a room like that. Recognition did not mean it was funny. It meant thank you Father ! Truth sets us free. Release.
The audience was supposedly told that there would be a comedian that would be speaking, but because of a change of scheduling, John Piper went to speak during that time. They would have been primed to laugh, and if you think about the video and watch the whole thing, they laugh at times that people would laugh if it were comedy. So it was apparently a result of a mix-up that they were laughing at John.
They laughed because Pastor John's comments resonated with their own inner thoughts and feelings......
It is bizarre if all you heard is the clip played here. If you listen to the whole introduction that you can find on another RUclips video, he actually sets the stage for laughter at the beginning by insinuating that they (the audience, being counselors) knows what God knows and therefore would see right through him if he attempted to "Schmooze"them or in any way be hypocritical. An obviously absurd insinuation which comes across as funny being so ludicrous of a statement.
People just didn’t understand that John Piper was a ‘sinner’
They laughed because they thought he was the comedian who was supposed to be on stage at that time
Did you get that off of TikTok??
This is false.
i just saw this on tiktok and had to research it - the video says his time slot was switched with a comedian but the programs handed out were not changed, so the audience thought he was a comedian
I saw it too! Haha everyone here has no idea they thought he was a comedian
I just saw it too
Mckyla Attaway he still doesn’t know 😅🥺
Amy Figueroa Mori he’s still so confused 🤣
Mckyla Attaway can you actually tag me in it on tiktok? i forgot to save it lol 😅 @thatsamorii
It’s so strange because it’s incredibly difficult for stand ups to get laughs, but for ten minutes he just can’t stop it. It’s like someone trying to not put the ball in the hoop but can’t miss.
That conceptual fact itself actually makes it even funnier on top of what the audience already perceived as funny.
Interestingly true, and I think it highlights the fact that the funniest comedians act like they're not even trying to be funny.
When you watch so many sitcoms and then someone tells you a genuine thing.
Levels of Godhead!!! Grace to you Brother in Christ Jesus! This is how close you are and are in the crowd. Black hole and white hole! Inner opposite as outer let's us draw nearer to one another and be THE ONE now bringing from the outer to us now to tell you.. GOD IS GOOD not some time but ALL TIMES! Peace and loving grace!
Pastor John, while giving the nine points, you could have just as well said, Jakes these are your shortcomings / sins, I could not believe how you named the exact things I struggle with, and as such I feel everything you were going through at that time. This message blessed me extremely.
I've never heard Tony respond so much to pastor John
I believe the laughter was just the audience feeling like the things Pastor John was saying was obvious because they all related. It's like if I spoke at a woman's conference and I started off saying I am a woman. It's like duh, we are all women. She must be saying that as an icebreaker. And they laugh.
For them to be quiet at the moment might have come across as if Pastor John was saying something unique to him. He is in a room full of counselors who most likely became counselors because they are all sinners and all felt awkward and are all still dealing with their issues and that was obvious to all of them. It's like what eles is new. But not meant to be disrespectful but relating.
I think this post is truly the only post of Ask Pastor John that I think is so off. Unless there was more to that conference it wasn't that big of a deal. The audience probably didn't know it was a sober moment or that Pastor John was sharing something so personal and what felt unique to him though not unique to any of them or any of us.
I hope what I'm saying makes sense. I'm glad I wasn't in that audience and listening to this now. I would feel deeply misunderstood for my reaction and hurt that that was Pastor Johns take away that day.
My point is announcing the obvious seems funny sometimes.
No dumbass they taught he was a comedian because their times got switched
I've actually heard Piper tell many jokes in sermons before. I'm not sure if he means, *prepared* ahead of time, or not. I have certainly heard many off-the-cuff, in the moments, jokes.
Yes he has. I thought the same exact thing.
He does... Listen to around 11:30
I think he just meant he doesnt prepare his message with jokes they might just come up while hes up there but he doesnt plan them.
I remember hearing this and found it odd that they were laughing at things which weren't funny.
So before listening to this recording I read through the comments and saw people saying "oh the crowd thought he was a comedian coming on stage"
Okay so I listened in. And according to John Piper this was a conference with thousands of Christian counselors.....did you get that? Christian counselors.
Whether or not they thought the guy coming on stage was a comedian it takes quite a bit of gall to not only think to laugh at someone discussing Gods Word and being a sinner but roaring laughter? Not even that but the fact they even thought this could be something someone would make light of and joke about is really disturbing. I'm not quite sure what to make of this to be honest it was very creepy to listen to and does not come across as a bunch of Christian people coming together for the right reasons.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
Yea, I never find jokes about scripture or doctrine funny. They disgust me if I'm honest because there is nothing more serious than Gods word, By it people learn of their depravity and the glory of God. It's a matter of eternal life or eternal death.
@@cyrusstombaugh909 exactly it is no laughing matter. Most people don't take it quite serious anyways but to actually laugh they way they did. And that this wasn't just a random group of people, but Christian counselors coming together for edification is just really bizarre. But many are called few are chosen. We can label ourselves all the religious terms we want but our words and our actions justify (and condemn) us.
His introduction sounds like the opening of an alcoholics anonymous meeting.
It's easy for everyone in the room or listening later online to laugh. He is saying what we all know or should know about ourselves.
He used his inner struggle as an example of the life we all face.
Metaphorically He is flipping over a big pile of abandoned building supplies laying out in the back yard. We know what might be under such a nearly arrangement of scraps and supplies. Underneath is the brown grass, missing tools, slugs, worms, bugs maybe a mouse nest or a dead animal. Here is what all hide try and hide from each other and ourselves. This is our shared state of existence.
So what can we going to do about it? It's a great introduction especially considering the audience.
It's uncomfortable truth. Being spoken to people who deal with the worst of human nature, sin and suffering everyday.
An audience can't be laughing and take seriously the things a speaker has to say?
Does ever sermon have to result in people feeling like they need to crawl on their bellies to the altar in tears?
Having listened to John Piper's for years I know he is a very serious intellect. It does seem odd anyone would have a problem with the audience's response because they didn't act as he expected them to act as if they weren't taking him seriously.
This opening with honesty or acknowledgement of reality is where they work to bring their clients every day. Getting people to see their hearts truth condition is their life's work.
I see this as more pastor Piper's problem not the audience.
I don't see a problem with opening a sermon with making people laugh. Putting them at ease or pulling them in close you can deliver whatever message God has given you to deliver.
I assume no one making these comments was at the conference or knows the seriousness of the other lectures presented. After possible lectures on ministry to survivors of domestic violence, divorce, sexual abuse, ptsd, and suicide here is a well regarded internationally famous minister of the Gospel who has his own load of personal issues.
My mother used to say if doesn't make you laugh you'd have to cry.
Is it a speakers job to take the temperature in the room and adjust or to set the temperature in the room?
His response and many of these comment bring to mind the substitute teacher who doesn't have any history with and little understanding of the class he is taking over for the day.
I understand it is being framed as a larger problem with Christian/church culture or lack comprehension of the seriousness of the Gospel but to me it's pretty easy to understand.
His audience was connecting and hearing him. They were activitly engaged. The confusion is all his not theirs.
It sounds like someone is playing a laugh track behind him.
I’m not saying it was! It obviously happened, but it just sounds odd.
Holy crap, 10 years and this guy still doesn't get it...
Absolutely no sense of humor
I think that the councillors in attendance thought is the speaker serious that these sins are worth detailing compared to what we deal with on a daily basis.
The level of arrogance to think him admitting hes a sinner as a serious note is baffling.
Wasn't it because the scheduling said a comedian was up next? They thought Piper was the comedian, so they were primed to laugh.
I forget where I read this explanation, but it's the only thing that makes sense. Perhaps someone can reach out to John with this probable explanation.
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Skip to 3:25. This is the same thing I’ve heard about it.
I thought that incident happened because audience thought he was a comedian, not a preacher. Like, the schedule got mixed up or something.
I had zero desire to laugh at what he was saying
Exactly.
I thought it was funny. What makes something funny? Absurdity. To me he's just describing being human. The struggles were incredibly relatable. So unless the presumption is he has transcended those foibles, which he by his words is admitting he hasn't, he's just saying I'm human and have imperfections. How he started it just made it absurd to think he was anything but that. And so it made me laugh.
Not at him, but with him. To show a commonality of spirit.
Same
Very strange?
The only thing that made me wanna laugh was hearing other people laugh which changed the tone so I just tuned the volume off and read the captions and I understood better.
I don't understand their laughter unless he had been known for some type of dry humor. I can't believe they laughed.
This is easy to explain and the basic foundation of humor. It also explains why babies laugh so easily at peek-a-boo. Piper comes in and is known to be all serious and all his anointed wisdom. The audience is expecting some high level bible analysis and then gets "I'm a sinner". The unexpectedness of the confession from a preacher held in such high esteem is ... Funny. The confession isn't funny but the context, the people holding their breath for some amazing revelation from God Almighty and they get something that everyone knows and that is in comedic terms, the rug pull even though Piper didn't mean it. Love the humility and honesty of this man. That is honoring God. God bless!
Well, they are counselors. I think they thought it was an opening joke, like a lot of speakers, might do talking to that type of audience. I believe if Mr. Piper had set it up 1st they might not have laughed. Just my 2 cents worth.
I commented on that video about a week ago. I didn't not understand why they were laughing either. You were completely confessing and humbling yourself, and they laughed at you. But people tend to lean on sin, so they thought it to be funny. It was sad though, because you would think, they being your peers; they would understand. I believe they were not lead by the spirit, but led by demons to laugh. People don't understand people who can think bigger than themselves! So, they laugh instead. I have done this too, because people need to know where they come from, to know were to go.
Some people tend to put pastors on a pedestal, and think they are above them. But we are human too! We have problems too! We should not make fun of God or the Word of God. You keep preaching how God commanded you to preach! We di what God wants, not what people want!
Thank be to God! God bless you! Peace be with you!🙏🙏
A lot of people seem to be trying to rationalise why preaching would be confused for comedy, but without trivialising either it seems reasonable for there to be blurred lines between preaching and stand-up.
The best of both involve getting up in front of an audience and baring your soul to try and make a connection. Observational stand-up especially is often about making people laugh through shared experience than anything inherently funny. I guess he's of the mindset that humour is trivialising, but it seems so sad that ten years on he still seems to view it more as a malfunction than a successful (albeit unintended) result.
Yeah... if the audience had ever actually listened to Piper they would know he wasn't joking. I think it's funny that he still doesn't get how it could have been perceived as 100% true and also funny... which it wouldn't have been funny to the audience if it weren't true of them in their ministry as well... which is the beauty of comedy. The hilarity in all this is that if it would have been intentional it would have actually been brilliant from a secular viewpoint.
.The reason the audience laughed..The spirit of laughter is what I heard..The reason He was not overstood...Is He cared what they thought of him..He said his motivation in your interview..We must never care what our audience thinks of us..when we do..we will Give our message rather than God's message...all is vanity....The sensitive man is vanity..the strong man is vanity..Oh Jesus..let the light shine BRIGHT on my path.
Sounds like projection tbh
It's just the shear confusion of the situation brings tears to my eyes, it's such a silly situation to be in.
Exactly, it's the absurdity of the situation that's so funny. Poor John.
On this podcast, they were both laughing about it! My guess is that whatever preceded Piper was sort of funny to the audience to sort of set that up.
I didn’t think anything was funny either, but your remarks were a blessing.
Maybe the spirit is at work with this mental state of the audience
I’m a Christian and was laughing along with the video too.... I’m a more humorous person and the way he would pause was just like a comedian would.
i was introduced to that video being told that his time slot was switched with a comedians, is that not actually what happened?
Ikr I’m confused now
It is what happened.
Apparently there was a mixup in the speaker lineup and the crowd was told that a comedian was coming on AND THEN John Piper… so they literally thought he was a comedian getting up there speaking, not an actual speaker 😂
Laughing at how the points are presented does not mean they are not listening or not accepting the message. It can be from recognizing the same situations in their life and from it being said in a funny way
Audience was told a comedian would speak. There was a miscommunication. The audience was absolutely right to laugh because they were expecting a comedian. Also, lets be honest - John was hilarious that day and whether he meant it or not his comedic timing and facial expressions were hilarious. Please please please someone inform John of this obviously oerfect explanation as he seems extremely oblivious to this.
Indeed. But picture the scene... maybe the event planner, maybe the DG ministries person he travels with: _someone_ after the awkward talk explains to him the agenda schedule mix up. People converse in the lobby after the talk. Attendees approach the speaker for clarification and follow up questions. There's invariably a line...
The fact that this could transpire without a featured speaker himself being made aware is what puzzles me most.
I'm thinking some purple started laughing because they thought Piper was trying to be humorous by opening his speech with what they thought was a purposeful cliché on his part: "I'm a sinner..." Others, followed suit with the laughter presuming Piper must be attempting to be funny since others were laughing. Then, as Piper continued they all continued to presume he was continuing to be cliché by abasing himself. Not sure, but that's my best guess.
how strange!
I seriously doubt that if many who responded with laughter that day were to hear themselves now would see/feel the weirdness and impropriety of their response to John’s honesty.
It's not just bizarre its creepy.
When he started I knew he was being serious about his opening and coming to expressing the grace he's received from God as a testimony to his faith... Yet.. I don't get how Councelours started laughing?
Their supposed to be understanding to him
I really think its possible that the transparency was a shock and was like hitting a funny bone for them, and laughing was just the only way to cope with it.
Pipers voice is very delicious. I'm thankful he activated my encounter with the holy spirit
In the pamphlet that was handed to the audience he was labeled as a comedian, so they thought what he was saying was supposed to be funny, and in that context I totally understand why they laughed.
Kind of sad though, isn't it, that we tend to behave according to the _claim_ of the "program" rather than the actual content?
@@The-F.R.E.E.-J. Well the claim of the program gave it a different context, content can change meaning based on it's context, I think it looks weird but idk if it's sad, it's more just interesting how that kind of a mix up can influence perspective and behaviour dramatically
It happened because his time was changed with a comedy stand up and audience didn't knew of the change of schedule
They are stupid then
That was sooo strange!!! WOW!
The laughter is not at him or the sin, it's an outpouring of appreciation at the honest, humble vulnerability that they're connecting with. As Christian Counselors they no doubt long to see such things, but are no doubt confronted daily with fear, self pity and posturing to mask it.
Personally, I really appreciate his message, but I am really really struggling with it. I don't think I desire to be made much of, but I certainly have competing desires that I know God is relentlessly crushing in my life and frankly, I feel crushed. Jesus says his yoke is easy and his burden is light. I hear testimonies to that effect, but I feel none of it. I feel like dying. Like I'm sinking into the Mariana Trench. 😰
I feel like I've come too far in the Christian life to intentionally seek a carnal life, but like all my striving to do the right thing (by God and others) is being taken as an insult to God which I cannot retract, and yet I can't really feel guilty for. Or, to put it better, I feel no joy in being released/saved from. Even considering God's supremely exulted position, why the need to burn such as me in Hell for eternity?
How then can I see His grace as glorious?
It was certainly the most highly inappropriate response to any outpouring of open, honest, humble vulnerability and they failed utterly and miserably to connect appropriately with it. They were counsellors for goodness sake - would they have treated their vulnerable clients in the same way during a therapy session? I'd hope not but I'd certainly not be confident.
Apologetics for idiocy now!?
Hmmm Christians!
Sam, I hope this helps: A young Christian woman told me, "God promises us joy and peace if we submit. It's not that we won't go through trials, but how we experience them will be different. Anytime, I don't feel joy and peace, I evaluate what it is I am really serving in that moment. It's never God. I, then, refocus and glorify God and I always feel the joy and peace he promises."
I've been trying this myself on big things and small and it works 100%. I know now to seek God, not his peace, or his blessings or even his salvation. Just him (through Christ). When I do this, I allow his Holy Spirit to transform me so that I genuinely recoil at the idea of sin. Doing it this way, takes the pressure of me to get it right. Let the Spirit do the fighting for you. You just seek God. I think this is what Paul meant when he stressed there is nothing we can do to save ourselves. Even trying to do so grieves the Spirit (because that's His role). Dr. Tony Evans says when we grieve the Spirit, we have to feel down, because the Spirit is inside us. If its not happy, we can't be either. I'll be praying for your joy. God bless you!
@@gabriellerone2619 thank you so much for reaching out. This is really quite helpful. I'm still not 100% sure what it means to seek God and not His peace (etc.), but I take it that it means seeking a deeper relationship with Him (flowing with humble respect and appreciation for what He's done). I have genuinely felt that appreciation today and for more reasons than your considerate response. I'm very grateful God's Spirit is fighting for us and that He encourages us through each other. I certainly agree sin is loathsome. Doesn't mean it's not a fight to resist, so it's good to know we don't fight alone. Bless you heaps.
@@samrothe1076 yes, thats exactly what I mean! That on focusing on our relationship with God, the peace and joy He promises comes naturally. We don't have to exert too much effort in seeking those gifts of the Spirit because they are promised to us when we seek His will. God bless you always!
What I took from this. Is that the struggles you perceive you have, Are not real. or are not as much as a problem as you think it is. That's what The Lord Christ Jesus reaveled to me.
I seem to recall reading or hearing somewhere that they were laughing because he either followed a comedian on stage, and therefore the audience was still in a mindset to laugh, or they accidentally messed up and introduced him as a comedian, so the crowd was expecting to hear jokes and therefore was put into the mindset of expecting it to be funny. Either way it goes to show you how audiences can become sheep.
Says who? The guy was hilarious. If he came to my house and it was just me and him, and he said what he said then, I would have laughed as hard as I ever did. Just because he was serious does not take away from the fact that he was absolutely hilarious and had perfect comedic timing. He would rock it at an open mic with that exact speech he gave.
GloryGOD..." 🔥