The Q series has always been an interesting topic to me. Many people seem to say it isn't an espresso capable grinder based off the 25-micron thing but there are a number of budget espresso grinders with 19-33 micron steps. My issue with my Q2 was always the time it took to grind out a dose. Not so much the effort as it is way easier to crank, for espresso, than any of my larger burred hand grinders (K6 and J-Ultra). That J-Ultra is HARD to crank on some medium-light to light roast but i guess that will settle, at least some, after seasoning but I digress... I do find grinders with larger steps like these pair well with the likes of a Flair or other manual options where you can control the profile. I used a c2 with 3d printed adjustment plate that basically cut the step size in half (still high, something 32 microns or thereabout, if memory serves) for 9 months with a Flair Classic. It was the best thing in the world to me because I didn't know any better. Anyway, I think this sort of budget option works fine. Especially if you have nothing to compare it to. That said, the step size obviously does matter if you want to dial in by taste to a significant degree. But I feel that if you are that far down the rabbit hole to begin with, you aren't grinding out espresso with a budget filter focused grinder to begin with, lol. Great quality video, as always. Thank you for posting it and I look forward to the next one.
Quick note for y'all - At 0:44 the grinder that is pictured and I am referring to is the Q, not the Q2. More in-depth comparison from the Q/Q Air to the Q2 is at 7:11 😊 Regarding the Q2 "Yes that one came first and yes that is confusing" - I even got myself! 🤪
I think most people would get this for traveling. The metal Q is nicer, but the plastic is a bit lighter and more travel friendly. I love mine in combo with the aeropress for traveling. Alongside a ZP6 and C40 at home it goes straight into a drawer 😄
First off, I love you repping two of my fav local roasters, Sorellina and Rogue Wave! I have the original X-Pro, with the original burrs the Q2 had. Just some minor changes to the stability/alignment vs the Q2. They’re phenomenal. It’s blown me away in blind taste tests vs other grinders. Thanks for reviewing the Air, I’ve been eyeing it at Rogue Wave wondering how it would stack up! It’ll be a fantastic grinder to gift to my less obsessed coffee loving friends and family.
My partner recently gifted me the new Q with this burr set for travel and office use. I haven’t used the previous Q2 for comparison, so can’t speak to the differences in profile from the old burr set, but have been quite impressed with the quality of the cups so far.
I have been using a q2 for about a year now and am very happy as a travel grinder that fits in my aeropress. Enables me to have decent coffee everywhere i have hot water and a cup While the q air can be had cheaper, for the 20-30eur difference I might stick with the q2. Shattered plastic is hard/almost impossible to fix, while the full metal+wood q2 is gonna take a beating without any problems
Had this grinder for a while. It’s fantastic for the price. My understanding from 1zpresso is the current Q air and Q have the exact same grinder body so they should be identical in the cup.
I made a 3d printed 35g catch-cup for mine. I find adding beans in the middle fine, but a hassle to unload the grounds more than once. Being plastic helped with the mod, i dont think id be able to make it for metal grinders.
Thanks for the review of this cute little grinder! Love using my blue one for pour overs. I recently got a Mavo Phantox Pro (it has 45mm burrs) after seeing it being compared to the comandante and zp6, been absolutely loving the balanced, clear cups that it produces! Definitely would like to hear your take on it!
Hi! I daily a JX-Pro with the same number system as the q-air. The 3 number system is not the way I think about it. I basically go by the numbers. If you hit 0 again, you're at 10. Then you go around again and that's 20. So, for example I ground coffee this morning for drip, and I used a number 41. Then if you are dialing in, you'll say "41 minus 2 clicks" or "40 plus a click." It's honestly pretty intuitive once you get used to it
@@georgielol Ah, I see. Because I am using it for filter and I always find that I get an excessive amount of bitterness from it. Probably a great espresso grinder though, since it has the same burrs as the JX Pro
@@HenryPiffpaff You can get some more clarity from it by slow feeding it. On a hand grinder this is done by grinding at an angle (if you want to maximise this effect you can hold it almost horizontally). This should improve clarity. (Though yeah it does take a lot longer to grind but it's not too bad on filter). Edit: but this will greatly change particle distribution so your previous grind settings won't really work and you have to dial in again specifically for this workflow.
This perhaps being the lightest grinder at the moment, I'm curious what the next lightest option would be thats more targeted towards espresso? Ideally one that'll fit in the aeropress plunger for travel!
So it's a Q2 hep with a less premium body? That's an absolute steal if that's basically the only difference! Love my Q2, sits at my office desk in my aeropress and always does the job. May swap that out for the air and use the Q2 at home to contrast the ZP6. Great video
There are some changes from the Q2 Burr to the new Q/Q Air. Now that you mention it, I think I misspoke here at one point regarding these two- I might see if I can fix that.
In your Timemore Sculptor 078S video you talk about alignment and offered to potentially make a video about that at some point. I got my Sculptor for quite some months now and would love a video on how to check alignment and then also how you adjusted it.
You're slowly working your way through every handgrinder on the market, lol! I've got a KINGrinder K6 that I've liked, have you ever tried any of the KINGrinders models? The K6 is often recommended as a $100 budget option (supposedly) similar to the 1zpresso K series. Lol as I was typing this you said you want to review the KINGrinder series, oops!
Would be very interested to see the whole P-Lineup of KINGrinder, especially the P2 since the burr geometry of it looks shockingly similar to the 1ZPresso Q and it also provides a great clarity when using it with my Aeropress where I submerge the grounds for 2-5min depending on the coffee! ^^
Hey guys, what is the grind setting yall would recommend for this grinder if youre brewing with an aeropress? Trying to get more clarity out of this grinder 🤓 Thanks for the help!
That's really funny. I have a metal Q2 and 3d printed plastic parts to shave weight. You can also lop off a cm on the catch cup to get it to fit an aeropress flush and still grind ~15g. It's a great travel combo with an aeropress or one of those silicone flat-fold v60 drippers. Now if I could think of a way to deal with the handle...
I do really like the color of the "toy-like" grinder. I wish more grinders gave color options. I'm from Norway and I'm really sick and tired of the "modern, sleek minimalistic" look. Give me some colors, dang it. I want my ZP6 in matte metallic green with metallic orange highlights
Interesting video, looks like a nice traveling handgrinder this one. I'm very interested in the kingrinder range. Especially value for money part. Curious wich one will hold up against my fellow ode g2.
Q2/Q Air grinders are great ........... but a disaster for grinding espresso and Turkish coffee🤥. Everything gets clogged fast. But for more high-end I got 1Zpresso X-Ultra. Espresso and Turkish coffee😆
I’d love to see videos about the kingrinders. I feel like they are talked a lot about in Reddit communities but not too many creators have made videos.
A correction. When zeroing, don't take the zero as your zero. Your zero is when your handle no longer moves with gravity when you hold it sideways, and in my case that's marked as 3. I only remember which number is my zero, and count rotations / half rotations + clicks from there. So for '50 clicks' you start at your zero, go counterclockwise one rotation (30 clicks) and a half(15 clicks), and then go 5 clicks further. It's definitely not intuitive but you get used to it.
“When zeroing, don’t take the zero as your zero” - this is why I love 1zpresso 🤣🤣 I can’t really complain at the cost but, on these grinders I can’t bring myself to always be mentally shifting my zero point by a handful of steps based on what the dial shows. I know this is “technically correct”, but I go yolo and just consider the zero as zero to save my sanity. I’m not ever grinding close to it anyway. Should we petition them to change their tagline to “it’s not intuitive but you get used to it.”? I like it 🤣☕️
@@DaddyGotCoffee we all follow the path of least neural resistance. I barely understood yours and I'm ok with that. As someone who studied product design and then quit the field, I admire the stubbornness and tenacity of 1zpresso in the face of... what could have been building a user community.
Hard to beat the Japanese Porlex. I have one from about 10 years ago. It’s all stainless and ceramic, and still sees use occasionally when I go camping along with my even older Aeropress. Probably the best combination for a camp coffee setup. I would post a picture of them if I could.
A much needed review, thank you! I always find that I get a little too much bitterness with my 1zpresso JX-Pro and Kingrinder K2 (same burrs), and I've tested a lot of variables! Can you say whether the Q2 Air would get rid of that excessive bitterness for me?
Full transparency - I still need to test both of these. But, since they both have more of an espresso bent its a fair guess that they produce more fines, and thereby bitterness on filter, than the Q/Q-Air
@DaddyGotCoffee - please double check the burrs. From what I remember it's not exactly the same as the burr in Q2. There is a couple of millimetres difference in height.
I flubbed an edit at 0:44. Correct info is at 7:11. Sorry for any confusion! You are correct, there were some slight changes to geometry 👌 I’m working on getting a q2 irl to compare to the q!
i had a Q2 as my first legit grinder which had a identical grind setting way with the Q air and i just gave up and opt to memorize how many clicks i currently am at
zeroing. Almost correct. But general practice, dialling 'till the end' until no clicks more possible is with my Q2 and Q-air grinder '0' + ''3 clicks'' more. So always return 3 clicks 'counter clockwise ' to '0' for correct application of the 'grinder table' zpresso Q by 1zpresso specs.
I’ve seen people claiming both are correct. Since EZ seems to be more common I go with that. The “One-Z” camp says it’s not supposed to be “easy” but rather “wants the presso”. I might start going full Canadian renegade with “one zed presso” 😆
I love that thing its perfect matched with an aeropress and being able to get both under 100€ makes it a great gift for kids/teens getting into coffee or just a starter kit in General that wont limit one in cup quality or possibilitys
This will be a good gift to my brother who drinks a lot of coffee but always buying pregrounded crap.
The Q series has always been an interesting topic to me. Many people seem to say it isn't an espresso capable grinder based off the 25-micron thing but there are a number of budget espresso grinders with 19-33 micron steps. My issue with my Q2 was always the time it took to grind out a dose. Not so much the effort as it is way easier to crank, for espresso, than any of my larger burred hand grinders (K6 and J-Ultra). That J-Ultra is HARD to crank on some medium-light to light roast but i guess that will settle, at least some, after seasoning but I digress...
I do find grinders with larger steps like these pair well with the likes of a Flair or other manual options where you can control the profile. I used a c2 with 3d printed adjustment plate that basically cut the step size in half (still high, something 32 microns or thereabout, if memory serves) for 9 months with a Flair Classic. It was the best thing in the world to me because I didn't know any better.
Anyway, I think this sort of budget option works fine. Especially if you have nothing to compare it to.
That said, the step size obviously does matter if you want to dial in by taste to a significant degree. But I feel that if you are that far down the rabbit hole to begin with, you aren't grinding out espresso with a budget filter focused grinder to begin with, lol.
Great quality video, as always. Thank you for posting it and I look forward to the next one.
Kingrinder comparison would be great 👍
Quick note for y'all - At 0:44 the grinder that is pictured and I am referring to is the Q, not the Q2. More in-depth comparison from the Q/Q Air to the Q2 is at 7:11 😊 Regarding the Q2 "Yes that one came first and yes that is confusing" - I even got myself! 🤪
I think most people would get this for traveling. The metal Q is nicer, but the plastic is a bit lighter and more travel friendly. I love mine in combo with the aeropress for traveling. Alongside a ZP6 and C40 at home it goes straight into a drawer 😄
Would love to see a side-by-side of 1zpresso Q and KingGrinder P1!
The p2 is basically the Q2 for half the price
@@wierdestcoffeeguygt P2 is somehow slightly better. but it doesn't fit aeropress, dealbraker for some.
First off, I love you repping two of my fav local roasters, Sorellina and Rogue Wave!
I have the original X-Pro, with the original burrs the Q2 had. Just some minor changes to the stability/alignment vs the Q2. They’re phenomenal. It’s blown me away in blind taste tests vs other grinders.
Thanks for reviewing the Air, I’ve been eyeing it at Rogue Wave wondering how it would stack up! It’ll be a fantastic grinder to gift to my less obsessed coffee loving friends and family.
My partner recently gifted me the new Q with this burr set for travel and office use. I haven’t used the previous Q2 for comparison, so can’t speak to the differences in profile from the old burr set, but have been quite impressed with the quality of the cups so far.
would love to see a comparo with the K6 and the P2, both heptas in Kingrinder's line! Keep up the great work!
I have been using a q2 for about a year now and am very happy as a travel grinder that fits in my aeropress. Enables me to have decent coffee everywhere i have hot water and a cup
While the q air can be had cheaper, for the 20-30eur difference I might stick with the q2. Shattered plastic is hard/almost impossible to fix, while the full metal+wood q2 is gonna take a beating without any problems
Had this grinder for a while. It’s fantastic for the price. My understanding from 1zpresso is the current Q air and Q have the exact same grinder body so they should be identical in the cup.
This is correct! I still plan to review the Q, partly to compare it to its predecessor the Q2 :)
I want this and an aeropress for making coffee at work!
I bought this for my travel I have a go plus and this. It’s nice and small and makes good coffee.
Cool to see my home town coffee company being used! Great video
I made a 3d printed 35g catch-cup for mine. I find adding beans in the middle fine, but a hassle to unload the grounds more than once. Being plastic helped with the mod, i dont think id be able to make it for metal grinders.
Can you share the file
Thanks for the review of this cute little grinder! Love using my blue one for pour overs. I recently got a Mavo Phantox Pro (it has 45mm burrs) after seeing it being compared to the comandante and zp6, been absolutely loving the balanced, clear cups that it produces! Definitely would like to hear your take on it!
Hi! I daily a JX-Pro with the same number system as the q-air. The 3 number system is not the way I think about it. I basically go by the numbers. If you hit 0 again, you're at 10. Then you go around again and that's 20. So, for example I ground coffee this morning for drip, and I used a number 41. Then if you are dialing in, you'll say "41 minus 2 clicks" or "40 plus a click." It's honestly pretty intuitive once you get used to it
Great review. Great production. Well done. Love my Timemore but this looks great.
This looks like a great grinder for the price. I'm very tempted to pick one up for travel.
Thanks!
The entire Kingrinder line is shockingly good value for money. I have a K2 and I love it.
Do you use it for filter or espresso?
@@HenryPiffpaff Mostly espresso but I do make filter occasionally.
@@georgielol Ah, I see. Because I am using it for filter and I always find that I get an excessive amount of bitterness from it. Probably a great espresso grinder though, since it has the same burrs as the JX Pro
@@HenryPiffpaff You can get some more clarity from it by slow feeding it. On a hand grinder this is done by grinding at an angle (if you want to maximise this effect you can hold it almost horizontally). This should improve clarity. (Though yeah it does take a lot longer to grind but it's not too bad on filter).
Edit: but this will greatly change particle distribution so your previous grind settings won't really work and you have to dial in again specifically for this workflow.
This perhaps being the lightest grinder at the moment, I'm curious what the next lightest option would be thats more targeted towards espresso? Ideally one that'll fit in the aeropress plunger for travel!
So it's a Q2 hep with a less premium body? That's an absolute steal if that's basically the only difference! Love my Q2, sits at my office desk in my aeropress and always does the job. May swap that out for the air and use the Q2 at home to contrast the ZP6. Great video
There are some changes from the Q2 Burr to the new Q/Q Air. Now that you mention it, I think I misspoke here at one point regarding these two- I might see if I can fix that.
Timemore Nano 3 has been my portable grinder for awhile now and it's solid.
I would definitely be interested in a comparison to the Kingrinder P2 and the original Q2!
This is on the list! Working on getting my hands on both!
In your Timemore Sculptor 078S video you talk about alignment and offered to potentially make a video about that at some point. I got my Sculptor for quite some months now and would love a video on how to check alignment and then also how you adjusted it.
You're slowly working your way through every handgrinder on the market, lol! I've got a KINGrinder K6 that I've liked, have you ever tried any of the KINGrinders models? The K6 is often recommended as a $100 budget option (supposedly) similar to the 1zpresso K series.
Lol as I was typing this you said you want to review the KINGrinder series, oops!
Would be very interested to see the whole P-Lineup of KINGrinder, especially the P2 since the burr geometry of it looks shockingly similar to the 1ZPresso Q and it also provides a great clarity when using it with my Aeropress where I submerge the grounds for 2-5min depending on the coffee! ^^
Great production, killing it
Check out the kingrinders yes!
Would love to see the Kingrinder line up from you!
Definitely should do a review of the KINGrinder line up!
Hey guys, what is the grind setting yall would recommend for this grinder if youre brewing with an aeropress? Trying to get more clarity out of this grinder 🤓
Thanks for the help!
Great video!!
Wich one would you pick between this one and the Q2?
All the best
That's really funny. I have a metal Q2 and 3d printed plastic parts to shave weight. You can also lop off a cm on the catch cup to get it to fit an aeropress flush and still grind ~15g.
It's a great travel combo with an aeropress or one of those silicone flat-fold v60 drippers. Now if I could think of a way to deal with the handle...
Awesome review!
It is an upgrade compared to timemore c2 for aeropress?
Is the numbering disk still backwards on this?
I do really like the color of the "toy-like" grinder. I wish more grinders gave color options. I'm from Norway and I'm really sick and tired of the "modern, sleek minimalistic" look. Give me some colors, dang it. I want my ZP6 in matte metallic green with metallic orange highlights
It's a cool look. Def grew on me.
Right?
Is the fellow aiden review also coming?
Interesting video, looks like a nice traveling handgrinder this one.
I'm very interested in the kingrinder range. Especially value for money part. Curious wich one will hold up against my fellow ode g2.
Crazy how good cheap grinders are getting these days.
Q2/Q Air grinders are great ........... but a disaster for grinding espresso and Turkish coffee🤥. Everything gets clogged fast. But for more high-end I got 1Zpresso X-Ultra. Espresso and Turkish coffee😆
Yup - don't really recc these for espresso or finer for sure.
What grind settings did you start at?
Kingrinder P2 review please!! 🙏
I’d love to see videos about the kingrinders. I feel like they are talked a lot about in Reddit communities but not too many creators have made videos.
A correction. When zeroing, don't take the zero as your zero. Your zero is when your handle no longer moves with gravity when you hold it sideways, and in my case that's marked as 3. I only remember which number is my zero, and count rotations / half rotations + clicks from there. So for '50 clicks' you start at your zero, go counterclockwise one rotation (30 clicks) and a half(15 clicks), and then go 5 clicks further. It's definitely not intuitive but you get used to it.
“When zeroing, don’t take the zero as your zero” - this is why I love 1zpresso 🤣🤣 I can’t really complain at the cost but, on these grinders I can’t bring myself to always be mentally shifting my zero point by a handful of steps based on what the dial shows. I know this is “technically correct”, but I go yolo and just consider the zero as zero to save my sanity. I’m not ever grinding close to it anyway. Should we petition them to change their tagline to “it’s not intuitive but you get used to it.”? I like it 🤣☕️
@@DaddyGotCoffee we all follow the path of least neural resistance. I barely understood yours and I'm ok with that. As someone who studied product design and then quit the field, I admire the stubbornness and tenacity of 1zpresso in the face of... what could have been building a user community.
Hard to beat the Japanese Porlex. I have one from about 10 years ago. It’s all stainless and ceramic, and still sees use occasionally when I go camping along with my even older Aeropress. Probably the best combination for a camp coffee setup. I would post a picture of them if I could.
I had a porlex for over 10 years... Since I got an 1zpresso, I haven't wanted to use the porlex even once.
Hey, just wanted some advice. What is the clicks range you were using for espresso? I'd like to know the overall range you recommend.
This is just like me after taking a bong hit in high school. It's uncanny. 3:30
A much needed review, thank you! I always find that I get a little too much bitterness with my 1zpresso JX-Pro and Kingrinder K2 (same burrs), and I've tested a lot of variables! Can you say whether the Q2 Air would get rid of that excessive bitterness for me?
Full transparency - I still need to test both of these. But, since they both have more of an espresso bent its a fair guess that they produce more fines, and thereby bitterness on filter, than the Q/Q-Air
i have black of q air and used it for 5-6 month now in v60 and moka pot and its great for me
Fantastic. Its a great grinder
Please review the Timemore S3.
Try a KINGrinder K2 ... very similar...
In which way(s)? It has a different burr geometry for sure
This is a great review, but from what I remember of the Commadante, hand grinders are for massochistic espresso enthusiasts only 😂
🤣
@DaddyGotCoffee - please double check the burrs. From what I remember it's not exactly the same as the burr in Q2. There is a couple of millimetres difference in height.
I flubbed an edit at 0:44. Correct info is at 7:11. Sorry for any confusion! You are correct, there were some slight changes to geometry 👌 I’m working on getting a q2 irl to compare to the q!
i had a Q2 as my first legit grinder which had a identical grind setting way with the Q air and i just gave up and opt to memorize how many clicks i currently am at
Right???
Go ahead and drop those KINGgrinders reviews
I'm gonna see if I can actually get their whole line. I get so many questions about them
Compare it to the Kingrinder!
zeroing. Almost correct. But general practice, dialling 'till the end' until no clicks more possible is with my Q2 and Q-air grinder '0' + ''3 clicks'' more. So always return 3 clicks 'counter clockwise ' to '0' for correct application of the 'grinder table' zpresso Q by 1zpresso specs.
Can you review the Kingrinder K6?
I think I'm going to try to get the whole line, but I've heard its a little closer to the P2
Q2 is all you need
Working on getting one!
@@DaddyGotCoffeecurious about the pietro comparison when you get to it ) i’ve been enjoying it so far
🕵️when’s the Aiden review?😅
Same as KINGrinder?
I'll let you know once I get and test them!
I got a c40. Have no reason to replace it.
Fantastic grinder!
Can you bring this on a plane?
I’ve travelled by plane with much larger handgrinders than this
Really you need to review the K6, that one for only $99 blow your mind away…
It's on my list!
Could someone kindly explain why this is pronounced "E-Z Presso' and not 'One-Z Presso', since there is a number '1' in front of the letter Z.
I’ve seen people claiming both are correct. Since EZ seems to be more common I go with that.
The “One-Z” camp says it’s not supposed to be “easy” but rather “wants the presso”.
I might start going full Canadian renegade with “one zed presso” 😆
It's a Taiwanese company. 1 is pronounced as "e" in their language.
$70 for that? You can get a solid metal Timemore for the same price and its better lol. That isnt cheap at all that thing is wayyyyyyyyyy overpriced.
It's 40 on ali
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I love that thing its perfect matched with an aeropress and being able to get both under 100€ makes it a great gift for kids/teens getting into coffee or just a starter kit in General that wont limit one in cup quality or possibilitys