KLIPSCH RP-600M vs. KLIPSCH R-51M vs. B&W 686 s2. Bookshelf Battle 1
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What is the best bookshelf speaker? Klipsch RP-600M vs. Klipsch R-51M vs. B&W 686 s2.
Learn all about these speakers to know which will work the best for you! If you like Klipsch or B&W this is information you will want to know! Bookcase Battle ep1!
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Thank you for the reviews. It helped me make in my decision! Went with the 51Ms. The 600Ms are enticing but decided they are out of my budget range. Maybe later!
MikeKaz Glad it was helpful. The 51 are a great buy!!
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Thank you for overlaying the response of the RB-51 over RP-600 as it pushed me to purchase the RB-51 Ref II. I can't see adding the additional cost of the RP-600 to my home theater when I'm running two subs. Thank you.
Tomas Tomas Glad the video helped!
I love the R-51Ms so much that I have multiple pairs. I have them partnered with a Klipsch R-120SW and they sound stellar. One of the best bargains in audio.
Thats awesome. Pairing them with a solid sub is big deal!
Would this combo make sense as PC desktop speakers? Been looking at Logitech and the likes but it feels they're all more about RGB than the sound so I was thinking that maybe getting a proper 2.1 setup would make more sense.
Cypher there really is no comparison......
I have a 7.2.2 system and 3 pairs of that is r-51m, rp504c, rp-500sa and a r-115sw....the system sounds amazing! Using base response as a factor is almost moot....at this point in time after all these years....you should already have a sub....they come in all shapes, sizes and prices. Paying over $300 for a few db of bass is crazy.
which amp for a 2.1?
Thanks for having me on the show, turned out great!! Can’t wait to fire up my R51’s with my Energy Sub!!
That is going to be cool!!! Cant wait to see the photos!
I have the 51m and the rp 600s on different setups both sound great given their price tags. The 51m goes on sale for 124.99 for black fridays and well worth that cost.
I agree, well worth that money!
Minus4Plus6 do you know if the RP-600m ever goes on sale? Just purchased the 51m but want to audition both.
@@zzzbrianxxx The 600m goes on sale very rarely like never almost. When it does its only 100 off retail. With the 600m you just have to bite the bullet and pay. The 600m is a much better speaker of course. Stalk amazon for the best prices.
Minus4Plus6 thanks for the response! I imagine it’s the same story with the RP-500m? I might buy that refurbished to save some $$$
@@zzzbrianxxx yep same storyi have the rp500m also... im a hoarder lol
I'm currently using the RP-600M's as front speaker in my home theater. I have not been disappointed with any of the speakers from the RP line from Klipsch.
Very cool!
Same here using the 600M’s as my fronts with a JBL 520C as the center. Amazing sound.
@@rumporridge1 is that a tower?
@@raffeal247 nah it’s the bookshelf. Highly recommended bro. At least for my ears.
@@rumporridge1 I have all Klipsch RP's in my theater. I am looking for a good budget center channel for the bedroom though.
As you rightly point out you have really just measured your room here. The correct way to measure full range is to position your speakers well out into the room, point your mic at the tweeter directly in front 1 metre or less from the baffle. You must gate your measurements, I often use 5ms though less will give smoother response at the expense of low frequency resolution to remove the room reflections. You must also measure horizontally and vertically off axis to get a complete understanding of the sound power and much can be shown using a polar plot in the Dr Geddes approach - he has a white paper on this. JBL calls this a spinorama.
Good on you for presenting this comparo, but please please please do read up on the plentiful how to's on the web. Elsewhere someone suggested Jeff Bagbys white paper which is excellent.
Keep up the good work.
I am measuring the room... but it’s a solid way to do comparison measurements. Each speaker is impacted identically by the room so you can see the relative strengths and weaknesses.
@@JilesMcCoy Hi JD, I'm sorry but I must completely disagree with you on this one. Your room is not representative of anyone elses and besides these speakers measure way better than you've shown here. Speaker measurements are meant to isolate the speakers performance from the room so that others can guage how the speakers perform irrespective of room. Have a search for Dr Floyd O'Toole of JBL. He explains the far better than I can. He has a great lecture video on RUclips about this very matter.
You have the kit do do this right. All you need now do is some reading and your vids will be a big help for peeps in the market for these kinds of speakers.
Keep up the good work.
Maz 4bz No, the room is uniquely mine. Which is the point. Put the different speaker in the same spot in the same room and you are able to see the relative differences in the speakers because the room impact is static. The speaker is the change. Obviously different room will have different impacts.
Additionally, the goal is not to creat a measurement that is representative of the uncolored output of the speaker. The goal is to do a real world comparison of speakers in a less than perfect environment. Thanks for watching.
1 meter? Nobody listens within 1 meter, 3 metres is more adequate.
Great job on the video! Glad to see more RUclipsrs cover speakers like this. It makes it alot easier as a buyer to be get opinions. Still love my 600s
I just picked up 51m’s. For side surrounds. But soon as I got them I paired with my SPL100. very impressed. In 7.1 will be paired also with VF35’s
Was waiting for sound sample comparison!!!
I will have that in the next comparison video!
me too
9:10 i have the Klipsch R610F and they have the same peak at 45HZ and it was anoying. I had to stuff up the bassreflexport half way to reduce it, now its perfect! Great Video!
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
I have set rf35. Kids destroy 8 inch woofer twice. Gave up bought r51m mounted them on wall out of reach of cats and kids. Have 12 inch klipsch sub so these will be fine. I'll sell woofers on rf35s for parts
One thing i have learned from being a AUDIO REVIEWER, is alot of what the speaker sounds like depends greatly on what kind of ampliefier you use with each speaker, like a cool netural or warm sounding amp , When I test speakers against each other i use many amps , I also have have 3 different setup rooms 1 desk top 1 nearfield and 1 living room all speakers shine different ! I now have 9 different ampliefiers to cover a wider range and not to base my opion on using 1 amp and 1 room . On a desk top or nearfield those RP51s will be best most likely ,
That all sounds very reasonable to me!
@@JilesMcCoy makes it so difficult to compare speakers but theirs always one that will stick out ,Just got thw
JBL Studio 530s in about to review them after 30 more hours of listing time their surprisingly great !
@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Id love to give the JBLs a try...but I don't have access to pair.
@@JilesMcCoy I got about a weeks time into them , hate to give anything away but wow !! Their half off right now at Harman JBL 299.00US . You live in the states
Proper amplifiers shouldn't be adding any coloration. If your amplifiers are, then get better amps. The frequency response curve of an amplifier should be a flat ruler at any load. The only differences in sound you should hear is when the amp is clipping - but in that case the proper cure is a more powerful amp.
I purchased a pair of RP6OO'S 2 months ago I'm driving them with a Onkyo integrated amp and for now without a subwoofer and so far they are amazing purchased them from Amazon for $419 killer price !
JAMES WHEELER Very cool. And that is an AMAZING price!
JAMES WHEELER I just dropped my review video for them too!
With speaker would be great for surrounds. I will also eventually purchasing the klipsch 504c as my center
How about the Starke Sound Vs-61 or the Aperion Audio Novis Slim Satellite?
@@JilesMcCoy also what about rear surrounds?
Great review, I like the Klipsch speakers!
I've been enjoying them quite a bit too!
Seems like a subwoofer paired with the R51’s is the best sound for value considering you will hook a sub up anyways. Sometimes audiophiles get so tunnel eared that they forget a little creative ingenuity can take them where they need to go and will still have money in their pocket when they get there.
The R-51M'S do everything the 600s do when paired with a sub. Except drain your wallet
Pretty hard to beat the R-51M speakers, they are on sale right now for $155, I think I paid even less than that, just a fantastic little speaker!
Great price!
I have B&W CM2 and from all of their bookshelf speakers I've read that their best audiophile apeaker is the CM1. I have never heard their 600 series speakers, but I would like to compare them to mine. I have currently 5 pairs of entry and mid level audiophile speakers, and from all of them I liked the most the B&W, just because it's a great ballanced all rounder.
I am a big fan of B&W too. They make great gear!
B&W has a very pleasing, but inaccurate sound. I've spent countless hours listening to B&W's ranging from the 685's up to the 800's. They all have a very similar sound. I've done blind-fold tests with them as well, to reduce biases. Excellent speakers, but NOT neutral. I wouldn't recommend them for a true "audiophile" system. Although that term can mean a lot of things...
Nice video, would be nice to show the waterfall plots to see if there are any significant resonances in the speaker cabinet / designs. But that might be me looking for too much nerdy info.
Can you list the brand and models of those beautiful blue speakers in the video? Towers, center and surrounds? Thanks so much.
Those are Starke Sound IC-H5 Towers and IC-H5C Center. The surrounds are the IW-H5. They are amazing.
I'm looking to upgrade my surround side speakers however they have to be against the wall or wall mounted Which is a good option for me
How about the Starke Sound Vs-61 or the Aperion Audio Novis Slim Satellite?
@Wild Blueberry How big is the room? What will you listen to? Do you have an amplifier? What are the source devices? If you want simple get some powered speakers and a subwoofer. Something like the VLOT or Allaire.
Great Video, and I gotta say you really NEED to try your Speakers/Headphones in Real Life before buying, It could safe you money (sometimes not...) and maybe you find a masterpiece you haven't heard or experienced. I owned Sennheiser HD700 (Retail 1000€ bought em for 200€) and HiFiMAN HE1000's (Retail 3500€ bought for 1300€), my first pair were Sennheiser HD6XX (220€), and the HD6XX really are the best for me, they get me moving and it's so naturally sounding!
Thanks!
The 51s are small and good for nearfield or surrounds or a bedroom system. The RP600Ms are definitely for mains with a sub, same with the B&Ws
Right on!
Found open box R-51M'S for $125. Great deal. Paired with Polk Audio 10" power sub. NO complaints. Awesome audio on a budget. No need for the 600s
Thats awesome!
If you had to choose your last speaker what would you choose, the Klipsch RP-600M or the
Buchardt S400 ?
Starke Sound Halos!
The Buchardt S400 cost at least 5 times more than the Klipsch RP600M. I got a sweet deal on the Klipsch RP600M, hence why I got them. I won't say that they're my top choice. They just lack the warmth to make listening to the Beatles enjoyable. However, for new music the Klipsch kick butt.
Great video. For the price, it looks like I can add a Emotiva S8 subwoofer to the Klipsch R-51Ms and have an overall price and sound winner.
@What's Poppin? i think that is something very very impossible
Do you think there is a significant difference between the R- 51m and the sixes? 150$ price difference but I am wondering if the sixes are really that much better ( with the 6.25 size) ?
The sixes are powered right?
@@JilesMcCoy Yes, That is my main reason for wanting them. I blew my old Klipsch 2.1 which lasted me 10 years. I want to go wireless for use of ease and want to see if I can get away without adding a sub... Sixes or maybe R-51m????
@@MrRyanmcmahon If you want powered then the 51m is right out. Go for the sixes if you are dedicated to Klipsch.
@@JilesMcCoyThanks..... Both are powered, But a significant price difference. So you think the sixes are going to be noticeably better due to the size, correct?
You are talking about the r51-PM. The regular M are passive. I've never heard the r51PM before. If you are going to use a sub you probably wont hear an effective difference. The Sixes are supposed to be "better"... but I'm not sure what the differences are. I've not done a head to head with them.
If you had to choose between the Klipsch RP-600M or the Buchardt S400 what would you pick ?
S400. I would love to get my hands on a pair of those to review and compare.
S400 is not a 4 times better speaker. If you value dynamic sound they are even better than the s400.
Save 1500 bucks and get overall 85% of what s400 supposedly offers. Stay away from them!
Are those klipsch reference atmos sold at costco worth it? Its 900$ for a set, 1 center, 2 towers with integrated upward atmos speakers and 2 of these 51s.
I currently have a pair of Micca MB42X and I want upgade. I want to choose between the RP-500M and the R-51M. I see that the R-51M has better specs but why is that the RP-500M are more expensive than the R-51M. At the end which is better?? I will use these to play Vinyl and CD albums. I have a Marantz PM5005 amplifier.
I think the 500M sound a bit better myself...
@@JilesMcCoy Thank you!
I would get the Q Acoustics 3030
do you guys think a low end denon receiver (AVR-S540BT) could drive the 600m's in a home theater setup ?
Nice video
Thanks!
The r51s are on sale for 144 a pair right now. I have a klipsch 12 inch sub and thinking about buying these to go with for a 2 channel only bedroom system. Thoughts? Seems like a great price for the sound quality.
Klipsch runs great sales!
just got the rp 600 and 150 m's for 250 and 210 each pair on eBay. Will it be worth the upgrade coming from r-610f's and r-41m's at 175 and 100 per pair?
Yes. The rp600m are great.
Hi, good video. I do not have any room for my front LR speakers next to my 110 inch screen. Can i place them below the screen on a 12 inch stand tilted little upwards?
You could, but maybe going with an AT screen and putting them behind would be better.
can we do an update on Rp600m II?
If I can my hands on them I will!
Now is this after the B&W has gone through its broke in period or before? Big difference.
After for sure.
If I am going to use a sub crossed at 80hz is there much difference between the r51 and rp600 above that? is that difference worth double the money?
The 600 was less bright to me then the 51's. (Which is a good thing as that the 51s are brighter than I like.) Adding a subwoofer to the mix significantly levels the playing field though... but the 600s do have an overall more pleasing sound to me. If you want to save a bit of money you could buy a B stock set for somewhere in the 300s. Mine are B stock and I am completely happy. I can point you to a great place to purchase if you want to explore pricing.
I am in the uk, R51 are £250 and RP600 £600. Do they have similar sound signatures? Would you say I am getting 80% of the sound from the R51 compared to the rp600 if crossed at 80hz?
If it were me I would try to go with the RP-600M if they are going to be used for mains.
Can you please send the link where i can find B stock with good pricing. Thank you! Oh BTW, just subscribed to your channel. Very informative information regarding the frequency response of each speaker.
@@belotan4218
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To be fair you should of had the Klipsch RP-500M with the 5.25 woofer.
Roy Austin Send me a set and I’ll make the video :) I don’t have those speakers.
to be fairer - rp 600m compared with the 160m's which are not around as much, but can still be gotten for less money - and have the same size woofer. I have yet to see what the significant difference is audible sound wise..
@@JilesMcCoy what?
hi i love everything klipsch ive a pair of RP-600Ms on there way tomorrow , im looking for good speaker stands for them any recommendations would be greatly appreciated thanks in Advance
kenneth lynch I’ve used stands from Monoprice. The ones in the video.
@@JilesMcCoy thanks what size top-plate is best thain advance
what do you think klipsch rp600 vs bowers 606
myplaguesify I’ve not had an opportunity to audition those side by side yet.
This is what I’m looking @
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good review not too much ranting.
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
How does Edifier S2000 Pro rate against these ones in your opinion?
Never heard those before.
@@JilesMcCoy ah ok. Those are powered speakers and probably in around the same category as R-51PM's but with more bass. R-51M and R-51PM are probably close together in quality, so it maybe interesting to pit these against each other if you have a chance at some point. Anyhow I enjoyed your comparison and the education I got from it. Take care now and have a great remaining Christmas period and the new year :-)
What would you say to us out here that did not buy the 600m speakers and just stayed with the RP 160M speakers by Klipsch ? I have responded to several postings produced by audiophiles, technicians and music lovers. It seems to be taboo to either outright make a thorough comparison about any significant sonic differences between the above mentioned models or in comparisons like this to include a sub set comparison. If there are any out there that I may not have come across, please direct me to them because I would really like to check that out.
Anyways -to repeat - for those of us who did not react to the excitement of the 600m speakers as necessarily upgrades of the 160m speakers - how do you think the 160m speakers would weigh in here?
Hey - I’ve not listened to the 160m for more than a few minutes at a time so I cant comment on a comparison of the two. But, in general, if you are happy with what you have there is no reason to change.
@@JilesMcCoy
Hey Roger that....just wanted to see if there is that much difference in the opinion of others 🤔 what they thought.
But never have I seen a face off between the 2 aforementioned Klipch models.
If I ever come across a pair I’ll do a head to head. But I dont think I’ll actively be looking to buy a set. My guess is that they will sound very similar.
@@JilesMcCoy
Okay...appreciate the come back!
Would love to see Peachtree Audio’s M25s added time this competition?
Do you have a contact at peachtree?
Home Theater Fanatics, funny. No but that’s a good one. Just been hearing and reading positive things about them. I recently purchased the PeachTree DeepBlue Sky. And it’s the absolute best Bluetooth speaker I’ve ever personally heard. I enjoy your channel and videos. Great work! Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Alfredo Gallardo Glad to. If they have a unit I can borrow I can include them!
B and W all the way, a more British sound
Right on!
I’m British and have the Bowers, not sure what a British sound is though lol 😂.
Hi.The RP600m woth the 4times more money than R51m ?
It depends on the buyer. For some yes, others no.
@@JilesMcCoy I want to build just a simple 7.1 system for watching tv and moovies.Already have 2 rp6000f and now i thinking to buy bookself speakers.The Rp series have better sound than Reference series ?
see if you can get your hands on a pair of 160ms... just as good
Got the 600m for 427 a pair 😆 excellent speaker
pyros r us great price!!!!!
@@JilesMcCoy thank you much eBay open box everything looks brand new still in og wrapping
Too much boost at 45Hz for the RP-600M.
I have the same with my 6000M.
Is possible to Eq this?
I cross mine over at 80 hz to use a subwoofer. So yes, you can fix the low end in many ways.
Actually, I have just discovered that inserting a rolled pair of thick socks to block half of the port reduces the SPL at 43Hz by 3 to 4 dB, giving a nice result.
I have LS50s hooked up to my PC with a JL sub. The LS50s have a big mid range bloat at around 130 to 140hz. I EQ'd it down with a software equalizer and had fantastic results. Not taking anything away from the Klipsch, but the LS50s are fantastic as a near field speaker.
@@buttonman1831 I like them a lot too. They are just a different beast in a in a different price band than the 600M.
@@JilesMcCoy I wasn't really trying to compare the LS50s to the Klipsch, was trying to illustrate that EQing is sometimes necessary. Another correction of mine, I didn't mean "midrange bloat". Mid bass bloat is what I meant to say. I am interested in these speaker though possibly for my main system but I would need another sub.
What is the best way to message you, through RUclips or FB Messenger?
I am likely to be a bit faster in Facebook.
Can you use 4 of these in a 5.1 setup?
You could even use 5.
🔊 🐍
Thumbs down and left because of the intro crap sounds.
Thanks for the comment and the interaction!
20db dip equals "a little bit of oddness".
It is odd!!!
@@JilesMcCoy The dip is present in varying degrees in all the graphs, so more than likely a room anomaly. While the Larger Klipsch does have it's crossover point at that frequency, the B&W does not.
I agree that it is the room talking. For these kinds of measurements the room plays as large or larger role in the sound as the speaker.
686s2 have much better resolution , space , precision in the highs and midrange , better clarity not shouty like Klipsch.
Pair it with nice REL sub and it will amaze . Build quality of B&W from crossover to drivers is 2 levels better than Klipsch... and it shows in sound quality.
So by pairing it with receiver does not get all resolution out of them.
These need 120w high current power amp to shine...
Klipsch maybe a good metal and rock speaker due to its shouty in your face character...
k domster I agree about the amplification. I tested with 240 watts of class a power per channel.
@@JilesMcCoy I thought you have used Denon receiver?
@@kdomster9141 I have a Denon receiver but I use Preouts to a Starke Sound A7 amplifier for my bed channels. Details: ruclips.net/video/YHNXxdDL9hk/видео.html
Have you even tried the 600M!? They're not shouty at all.
Dude that is 3 times higher price tag.........
For sure.
How about comparing R-51M's to the new Jubilees?🤣
Send me some Jubilees!