This is WHY you need to STOP using wet palettes
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I've only been painting minis for around a year or so and I still struggle with time efficiency, so using a dry palette at this point isn't ideal because the paint dries out too quickly. Once I become better at my workflow I will try to incorporate it into my sessions. I remember a video where Duncan said he thinks people should LEARN with a dry palette and then move to a wet one once they learn how to properly thin paints and know how to "feel" the correct thinness of the paint. I'm in agreement with others that maybe doing it the other way around is better because you waste less paint and are frustrated less by time/money management. For now I am going to get some ceramic tiles to try with and maybe practice on some "experiment" minis I have laying around. Thanks for the video!
Honestly this palette is really interesting for oil paints, enamels and so on. But I don't like the clickbaity nature of the title and video. Wet palette is superior if used well. But I do unerstand your points for use ceramic on acrylic paints. I'll consider buying one.
I also put my wet palette in the fridge for the same effect. My experience was the opposite, I started painting on ceramic tiles and went to a wet palette much later on, and found them a revelation.
But I respect the point of this video; different strokes and all that.
Doesn’t your paint separate in the fridge? Mine does 😒 anyway I think ceramic tiles and ceramic palettes Are 2 different things, for a simple reason; one it’s flat the other one it’s not! On a tile your paint is gonna dry out for sure and you won’t have the chance to put sponges above it. And other dried palettes, like alluminium or plastic are a nightmare to clean… the paint will dry there and it’s gonna be near to impossible to get it out if you forget to clean it right away! With ceramic you can also forget it out of the fridge and a little soap and hot water will be good a new!
Anyhow I appreciate you respecting my opinion, as I respect yours! Even though I do use a wet palette, as I say in the video. The title it’s super exaggerated ahah
@@ataraxiapainting Thanks for the reply. Sorry, I should have clarified, I had one like this with the wells, because, as you pointed out, the paint will dry much slower in wells than on a flat surface.
I've not had separation on my wet palette yet. But then I put the bare minimum of water in mine, as with a closed lid the water will condensate at the top of the lid and drip down on top of the paint if the underlying water-absorber is too wet.
But this illustrates a good point that it's quite hard to know what will suit some people or most people. And everyone is different and tends to work out different ways of doing something.
So I would say: Do what feels best and works best for you, but take advice if it is useful for you as an individual too.
when I was a kid around 10 years old I learned how to paint minis at the local games workshop store and we always used ceramic tiles this would have been in the late 90s early 00s
Tbf i find wet pallets a bit annoying they thin the paints too much and also dilute the pigment. Wet pallets however are still a top tool 😅
I'm sure someone else might mentioned this before, but a wet palette's (or any palette's) purpose is not to have your paint to be used for multiple days.... It's to have your paint last for longer during that session and not more. What do you do before you put paint on your palette? You shake it up. Why? Because even in an air tight seal the medium separates. It does the same on your palette, while some water gets absorbed in it. Yes, it's might still not be dry, but you can feel that evan after stirring up the mix, the paint doesn't behave the exact same way as when you have placed it on your palette. Sadly it feels like as if the majority of content creators in the hobby are spreading wrong ideas like this, that they have learnt from others as well, misleading those who start the hobby. You are getting in your own way of improvement if you do things like this.
I been usign cerámic palettes specially for washes, oils and enamels! Totally worth it. And its so easy to clean them!!!
Oh yesss another super fan here 🙋♀️
I bought the Ceramic palette you advised , you don't know how thankful I am because of the sheer ease of clean up. seriously , cleaning the plastic wells every time I went over 6 was a constant annoyance and after using the ceramic wells it's really night and day. Thank you !
Yeah, plastic sucks for palettes. Though silicone is even better than ceramic, paint doesn't stick to it you can just remove it when it dried
Hi Alice, thank you for the video. Have you got any advice on how to keep your brush nice and pointy during a painting session please. Thank you 🤗
As a new painter, i found it a bit better to use a wet pallet. I feel like I have to know way more to use a ceramic pallet, feels like a lot of steps with precise understanding of how things will interact.
I'm not convinced that it's better for beginners in general, although I can see the advantages for someone working with a pre-planned recipe or just being more careful and disciplined with the paint. On the other hand, the cups do seem to be a lot more useful than the buckets in most dry palettes. Now, one of the reasons I usually recommend wet palettes for beginners is that it gives them a lot more working time (so they don't have to worry so much about keeping the paint diluted) and generally I have the impression that paints off a wet palette dry a bit faster on the mini than ones off a dry palette (might be entirely my impression or just the paints I use). This looks like a good solid choice though, figure it boils down to what you want a learner to focus on first. Also I tend to use dry palettes for terrain, and might get this as the separation of colors really is useful.
Yes I agree but using sponges on the well the paint stays very fresh!! And you don’t mess to worry about revitalizing dry paint like on wet palettes! I do it, I use them all the time. But the ceramic one I think it’s the best also visually to understand gradients!! And plus!! So easy to get start with AND to clean!! Hot water and boom!! Not like some annoying plastic or alluminium ones!! I think trying both its a good solution! And then choosing! It’s not a big cost and a wet palette can be easily created at home!!
@@ataraxiapainting re drying, i meant within the same session :) The cleaning is a big plus, and like I said I might pick one up for terrain - just keeping the colors neatly separated is handy :D
Considering the biggest thing for new painters is learning to water down your paint, I still believe a wet palette, which helps with that, is one of the best things for a new person. While I can see the ceramic being nice, it seems like it would waste a lot of paint unless you are using those colors a lot which at that point, I feel it would just be easier to make mixes in empty dropper bottles. While it doesn't seem bad, I'm going to be sticking with a wet palette myself.
How much am I going to "learn" if the palette is automatically doing it for me?
@@JohnVanderbeck If you think a wet palette does it "automatically", then you have clearly never used one.
@@JohnVanderbeck youre going to eaern everything you need to learn because you start by using a wet palette and then you always use a wet palette forever because it is always the best thing for you to use.
if you start painting miniatures by using a paint brush then youll never learn how to paint a model using a rusty nail from your garden. and thats fine because a brush is what you should be using.
dont value learning how to do things wrong over learning how to do things right. a wet palette is right, learn to use it.
In my experience a lot of wet palette paper allows too much water through and waters the paint down too much removing the intentional nature of thinning your paint down. Imo this is definitely the worst thing for new painters, such as myself, to have happen. I've ditched the wet palette and I have far more success, I've even changed paint brands and have even better results than before. I think wet palettes are an advanced tool that are really only good for blending paints
@@GoufinAround_ Wet pallete is usually ok with amount of water (baking paper, of hobby brands). Yes, it can cause issue if you keep paint for more than a day or two, but for a single paint session it's not an issue, especially if you keep paint in droplets
This is absolutely best practical video I have seen after going through numerous videos on palette. The approach is so practical, scientific and calibrated! Thank you so much
Funny thing, I started with the wet pallet, stuck with it and now I can’t imagine not using one.
It may not be a “beginner’s” tool, but as a beginner, if you use it and learn painting with the intention of improving, then it’s perfectly fine.
Thank you! I hear you! I agree with you. I'm not a beginner in painting miniatures but I'm having huge problems getting used to the wetpalette. Same problems as you decribe. I bought that very same ceramic palette you have (mine has a ceramic lid too) and I don't really care that much for individual tones and mixes. Give me ratios and recepies and I'm off. So thank you for making me feel more normal.
You might also try the cold palette invented by Dr. Faust Painting Clinic... actually you could probably turn the ceramic palette into a cold palette just by putting an ice pack under it.
You can additionally youse a pump spray botlle to renew the evaporated water and hold the paint longer open.
I agree with the point of this video. Using a dry palette is improving my ability to dilute and to mix, and I’ve used wet palettes previously. I don’t use the exact palette in the video, but the skills are developed nonetheless. Alice, thank you for your work and sharing your perspective. Always good stuff to consider and see what works for me. (Also, I admire your painted minis!)
On a side note, discussion and debate is cool, but dropping a crap comment is not. Support creators or walk away, but there’s no need to insult.
Nice video Alice. Hope things are going ok over there in Italy!
Thanks man!! Not so good here covidwise but we hold on!! How about over there??
For mold put a couple drops of hydrogen peroxide in the water.
Good tip!! Even though I don’t really know what you are talking about
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@@ataraxiapainting he means Bleach! it will kill it
this is genious, i have that same ceramic palet for watercoloring, wil try with transparente film when i finish, that gradation is epic
i know! i put the ceremic pallet inside the wet pallet taper
No, putting the ceramic palette inside the wet one was of no use, the paint was half dry and difficult to recover towards "stones", now I will try with transparent film
the film doesn't work either, the colors move from one hole to another
I use a lot of different paint brands and have recently been using more and more well palettes to better control paint consistency and properties (slow-dry, flow-aid, glazing, etc). All things that I have found very difficult to control on the wet-pallettes, because the wet pallet reacts to ambient conditions (temperature, humidity). The nice thing about well pallets is that you control viscosity faily easily and they also allow easy mixing. My painting technique is based around highly flowing paint, i.e. I rely on flow-aid and glazing with mediums or water (depending on the paint). That too is difficult to control on a wet pallet. So thanks for the tip with the ceramic pallet. I'll definitely give it a shot! Nice one.
Working with glazes a looot easier on wet pallet, cup palletes is pretty terrible for it on my experience
Wow wet palette is the best innovation to this hobby. I diy my wet palette with cheap parchement paper and a tupperware + vileda sponge towel. My paints stay fresh and moist even 2-3 months. If I use tap water, pallet will smell bad after weeks so I use distilled water and that is perfect for the job. Also you will have matte finish with distilled water. Miixing tones is easy with wet palette, your paints and custom mixed colors will stay fresh for moths. Also cleaning is super simple, you simply throw the parchament paper. Putting sponges on a regular palette is silly.
I just recently found your channel and i really like the content. For some reason the content is kinda new and refreshing, even after watching the other big RUclips painters/content creators.
Nicely done!
Awww that’s so nice to hear!! Uuuh I feel so refreshing, but it might just be the lozenge I’m eating lol
Thanks a million 😍
On the ceramic pallette you recommend , you can use the lid to set up a wet pallette, then you have the best of both worlds .
The lid is plastic though and it doesn’t have wells!
They work great for certain types of paints, but after I've switched to pro acryl the wet palette makes the paint far too watered down just from sitting there on the palette. Its not keeping it moist, it's making it nearly a glaze consistency
I have this problem with all my paints when I have too much water in the palette
I respectfully disagree. A ceramic palette is so niche and inconvenient.
Congrats on the clibait I guess.
Opinions are now clickbait?? Ok thanks let me write that down ✍🏼
@@ataraxiapainting no but offering your weird ass niche solution as a reason WHY we need to STOP using a reliable, community tested and generally well regarded method that's easily accessible is 100% clickbait and you know that. The title is not worded as tour opinion at all and the dishonesty here is disappointing.
@@Nextr0nWasTaken I’ve been using a wet palette for the past 5/6 years and I think it’s not even close to being reliable like you said. I stand by the fact ceramic palettes are better. What you probably find clickbait is the strong worded title, which I NEED to get people attention in order for them to find a new and useful tool.
@Nextr0nWasTaken "A ceramic palette is so niche and inconvenient." I've been in the hobby for 20+ years and I've never used a wet palette. Building and painting minis can be a daunting prospect for a beginner, especially youngsters. The last thing a beginner needs is to mess around with a little plastic swimming pool that grows mould like a cannabis farm. The whole wet palette thing is really just a new fad pushed by shills and hipsters on the net. Throughout the 90s and 2000s, GW taught kids to paint with ceramic tiles, which is what the pros at Citadel used, incidentally. Wet palettes are useful if you want to do A LOT of mixing, but that isn't at all necessary, especially for BEGINNERS. Believing or claiming that wet palettes are essential is just pretentious nonsense. Good day sir.
@@Solitary_Scribe55 I agree with that. If anything, I would say a wet palette is 'niche and inconvenent'. I don't paint many minis, but I do paint with acrylics and was actually looking for an alternative to my large, unweildy, and incovenient wet palette. Thanks to this video, I've ordered a ceramic palette which will take up less space on my desk, I can easily store and clean - and if a tool is easier to use we are more likely to use it. And if we're more likely to use it, then we're more likely to create, and isn't that what our hobbies are ultimately all about?
Hi Alice!! Really good video 😊.. I also use all 28 pods to mix up the tones and crate more tones variations.. well.. sometime more than 28, all rooms available, even the free spaces between pods 😅. I like your stile to make videos! Keep going!! And thank you!!!
Ahaha I know! I learned from you guys ❤️❤️❤️thank YOU!!
Hello! I've just discovered your channel and I like your videos, thank you!
So, about ceramic/wet palette, you centered the point I'm battling during these firsts weeks in the hobby, I have the feeling I don´t control totally the mix of paint+water or paint+paint, the suggestion about differente shades is very useful, I think I'll go to search a ceramic palette here in Spain ;)
That’s great!! I’m glad I could be helpful!!
What type of parchment paper should you get ? Iv tried so many diffrent types not getting the effects others are. I have to use needles to pin the paper corners or the paper will curl and not stay flat. It does keep paint wet longer though i think cuz its just closer to water. Its the paper I have trouble with.
Look into redgrass wet pallets, when I use them, the paper will curl at the start, but I smooth it down with my hand and it lays perfectly flat.
ive had paint last weeks on my pallet between sessions. Sure i often have seperation but it mixes back together pretty easily. As for temperature/humidity.. im in Australia
Really good info, will search it!
If you need to buy one there’s a link in the description!!
This is like telling people who paint oil paintings to stop it and start paint by numbers. A wet palette will let you do actual gradients, you will use the reservoir of your brush to get the right dilution and you should change your paper after each session. If you believe in this technique, please make a video where you invite Alphonso Giraldes and put forward your arguments. This title is extremely click bait and does not work. I will stick to my wet palette thank you.
The title is bold, not clickbait! It’s exaggerated because of how shitty yt works. But in the video, if you watched the whole thing, I said I use it (the wet palette) and will continue to do so but I still think that it’s a complicated tool for beginners and intermediate painters. I had some lesson with Alfonso, mixing and understanding colors ISN’T an easy skill to acquire. And for beginners I think the ceramic palette with specific ratios of paint is better, that’s my opinion! You are very free to not agree with me!
No need to be rude. Obviously didn't watch the whole video.
@@metalor696oh comom sharing his opinion is not rude. Is what U said rude? No it's a opinion. People need to get a grip fair play. It's ridiculous
@@liamhgd581 I am gay
@@metalor696 ..... Good for U ..... God people are weird and no not because Ur gay. Because U felt the need to tell me for no reason like it actually matters .... Smh
Very interesant. I will try it
Thanks!! Glad to be useful!
I’ve been using a wet pallete since I started the hobby but I find the citadel paints are far to thin to begin with
The only paper I found that actually worked for wet palette work tears after an hour or two of use. Gave up entirely.
mold is easy to get rid of just use a copper coin in the palette
Uhm are euros cents copper?? Thanks btw!!!
@@ataraxiapainting no problem, easy enough thing to not know they have started selling copper "infused" clothes for working out in to cut down on the body odor here in the states it is quite funny
I wish i was rich enough to be able to afford waisting so much paint doing this
I feel like as someone who is starting to get into painting minis more seriously, and doing research, the pros outweigh the cons for a wet palette heavily. With the experience that I do have, I feel like nothing she said was useful, helpful, or even relevant.
I’m sorry you feel I wasn’t useful nor helpful:( I still think you should try it out for yourself, because for someone who painted minis in the same way from 2003 till 2018 I wish someone introduced me to this palette way before. The big difference is that the paint is contained into the pots and it stays wet anyway because of the wet sponge you put over them when you don’t use it. It’s way easier to work in layers and to not have dry color and easier to fix separated medium. You can do that on a wet palette but it’s way harder because it’s flat and the flatter the surface the easier the color dries.. makes sense?
And now I need a color fridge at my painting table 😏
That would be nice 😂 colors and beers (and redbull)
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thanks bro!!
$40+ for the ceramic palette that easily breaks..
a few bucks for a homemade wet palette.
I'm going with the wet for now.
it is an interesting tool, but I don't see the ceramic palette as being to geared towards the beginner with such a price tag. (it might be cheaper in UK/Europe)
It’s definitely cheaper in Europe (12-20€) but it’s funny you mention money because of how much money mini painters spend in general. Also a basic wet palette is 40$; difference is that you can make your own wet palette but you can’t make a ceramic one (not easily anyways). So even at that price point I would recommend it!
You can also get a ceramic tile for a buck or two at most.
It's almost like most hobby supplies aren't worth the markup, and one of the most common pieces of honest hobby advice for beginners is to not pay the ridiculous prices for something equally functional.
This is a great tip! I think I'll pick one up.
Great 😍😍😍
I did not know you had a RUclips channel...i haz subbed for more Alice Awesummness! 😃👍
Ahahahhaah you sure of what you are doin mate???
@@ataraxiapainting no, but the best plans start with the phrase "aww, fuck it." 😂
No safety message. Watch out toes and ceramic to anything beside thick carpet gonna require new palette and some clean up.......aside from that. Excellent choice and slightly better for some applications, especially oil, wash/inks and metallics.
Oh i forget why i was leaving a responce. And it's only a humble suggestion. But for new Painter's I'd recommend the little 6 well paint pallette (6 to a pack) i get from the doller store. And if you miss a cleaning, just chunk it......or recycle. Keep your brushes moving.
Ahah yeah but the one I have it’s pretty steady and I never dropped it even though I’m so clumsy!! I appreciate your suggestion! I’m guessing it’s all about personal choice! The ceramic palette it’s a long term investment!!
I love this video, I think exactly the same. The fungus damages the paint. The solution is: wash the sponge after placing it in a 1:10 solution (Chlorine-Water) for about 5-10 minutes.
Goddamnit, I JUST GOT ONE.😂
Which one?? Agagah
it's clear from the video you're using the palette WRONG. way too much water. Please know what you're talking about
It’s also pretty clear for me, someone who’s been using wp since 2018 now, that it doesn’t really matter how much water is in there. You are gonna have issue either way; dried color with too little water, separated color with too much water. But that’s my experience, if you think it’s the perfect tool keep using it. I was just trying to bring awareness on the existence of other options ❤
Pop its... the child's toy
I had paint in my wet palette for weeks for the whole summer .
Is it magic??
Im sorry this is clickbaity, sorry but nothing beats a wet palette. Seems like an overpriced and overhyped pretentious product. You can make a wet palette for free at home that will work much better than this. Another thing a wet palette is not an advanced tool lol. If anything it will help improve your technique.
Title is taken to the extreme, it’s just how it works. I do use the wet palette, but it has so many problems.. you basically use it for a single session. How is the ceramic palette is overhyped? Literally nobody talks about it lol
Anyway I disagree, but I’m glad you voiced your pov