Marco, every time I watch one of your videos I’m surprised by how deep your knowledge of materials is. This is coming from a master painter. Not miniatures but fine art. Many of the things you cover are rarely taught in art schools these days... and you do it with such charm. Thank you.
Hi, Marco! In 6:14 you can use the lid of the food box for wet palette ;) (turn the box upside down), I have similar box and did that. That way is much more convenient and easier for me, than the deeper bottom, which I use as cover. And the water is condensing on the bigger area of the bottom and you can see if the paint is moist. Regards!
@MarcoFrisoniNJM Made your Rochero wet pallete. Really like it. As a note, I used medical silicone foam rubber dressing as the hydration pad. This is essentially the same stuff they sell in hobby wet palletes.
Excellent use of the chocolate case. I have the Masterton palette and it's pretty good although I do most of my figure painting in oils. Video #2 and I'm still impressed. Thanks for posting this one. Cheers!
Another great video, Marco. Such a relaxed, friendly, easy-going style you have. And these videos are great for those of us who have been painting the GW way for 20+ years and know we need to get into the wet palette but need spoon-feeding on exactly how. Sensational.
😁😊😁😊😁😊😁😊😁 Thank you sooooo much!!! Lol, I love GW but sadly for the painting side they spread a lot of disinformation and bad habits that are very difficult to change when they becomes part of your workflow!
He is correct about the usage time. I've kept mine in the frig, as an experiment, and the paint subjects lasted two months without changing out the water. I didn't extend the experience further.
i'm glad someone said it, wet palettes are required for minipainting. it's been so great since i switched. i only wish mine came with chocolates too, haha
This video was so informative and really helped me think about what's happening with the wet palette when the lid is on. I have the smaller orange palette from redgrass games, which I like but part of me wishes I'd shelled out more for the Studio version! Maybe in the future. Thanks a million for making these fun videos! I loved the got climate solution! I live in an air conditioned house and I find my paints dry out like crazy when the ac runs. Thanks for explaining why that happens!
A wet palette changed my life. I have a large Masterson stay wet. I use parchment paper though. I started with a DIY palette and used parchment, so it's what I'm used to. Thanks for another informative video!
Thanks!!! Yeah for a lot of quick works I still prefer using parchment paper. The technical paper is very effective for long terms palettes but more a nice optional than a must have
I used your tip to use the candy tray. I instead opted for a rectangular version that was being sold at a local store around xmas. Even used some of the candy as stocking stuffers ha. I cut a couple small strips of thicker acrylic sheeting from another package and glued them in to create a small tray for various painting tools or a few dropper bottles, a second smaller tray big enough to fit strips of the golden plastic the candy is packaged on top of, to use as small dry pallet paint wells, leaving me with about the other2/3s of the tray to use as my wet pallet. I even cut out a few semi circles on the parallel dividers so that with the lid on i can store a few brushes too. Of course i wouldnt travel with open paint in the pallet, but this little project allows me to take all the supplies i need to do some spur of the moment painting wherever i go. Thanks for the good idea.
Oh i went overboard significantly. Haha. Even used the red/black paint scheme of a "random" 😉 popular wet pallet brand with some leftover black truck bed liner spray on the outside bottom (has a fine grit in it) to help prevent the tray from sliding during use, as well as to aide in giving your fingers something to grip when opening. Now i just need to install the colored L.E.D. strobe lights and the utube screen interface 😅 kidding.
Fantastic video this week Marco... nothing better than a fact filled video at 1.38am in the morning while working a conference 🤪... definitely my days high light.
Hi Marco!, I'm following your channel a bit ago and learning a lot!. I like to add that if you don't put enough water, the sponge does suck water instead. Cheers!
You can pick up a roll of thin small guage copper wire from a hardware shop and make an even thin layer at the bottom of your wet pallet to help keep the mildew/stink from growing in your pallet. especially if you just use distilled water in the pallet. you can also use old copper coins for the same thing but with how thick they are they can lead to an uneven surface on the paper. I have to do that here in southern cali or it stinks after a day
Another excellent way of making the hobby cost effective. I created your first suggested DIY version a few months ago and with a visit to Poundland in the UK, I worked it out that it ended up costing me about 42 pence. I just replace the grease proof paper each time. BUT I really like your suggestion of the small container with those thick sponges that also cost a pound for 5. As for the Ferrero Rocher box, much better for size.
As you said, the wet palette saved my paint budget...and my nerves. It is a must! And after trying several different containers I never found a solution to the super-hot summers on the Adriatic coast...and I have high hopes for the sponge-wet-palette for next summer. Grazie mille per l'idea :)
Thanks Marco! The deep box with thicker washing sponges sounds good. I live in LA and the air gets really dry here, sucking the moisture out of the paint almost before it even hits the palette...
It definitely can be the solution for those conditions!!! It really helps in very dry climates because the evaporation from the big reservoir of paint creates also a little bubble of humid around the work area
So true. The Red Grass Games wet palette paper does let too much water through and the tray could hold more water. I have to top mine up constantly and pre-thinned paint ends up too thin.
For years I've been buying my wife those candies in that container. She doesn't share. And I've ALWAYS thrown out the container without a second thought. Great tip.
Thanks Marco ,i discover the wet palette technique lately,painting miniatures since years 80 with a ceramic porcelain palette. I only work with wet Palette now and it's change my life,except for drybrush technique of course.. My wet palette is a transparent plasctic lid of food generally (cheese or fresh cream)and a sand of sopalin paper..and sulfurisé papier(greaseproof paper).
Thanks to you!!! Paper is a good solution to avoid having a colour under the baking paper but it's less efficient to store a good amount of water for a long time
GW also does not push a wet pallet because most of their tutorials do not have any mixing of paints. They put together paint schemes that use the paint right out of the bottle.
Face palm moment, Iv'e tried wet pallets before and didn't like them. The reason, i didn't know about the sponge. Time to try them out again, but doing it the right way. Excellent video.
Another great video. I recently started using the Everlasting Palette and am quite happy with the results. Although, as you mentioned, I'm still getting used to the amount of water that gets through.
Excellent tips, Marco! Particularly interesting were your views on the redgrass products. I have their big palette but I might try putting some backing paper in it.
My small Masterson wet palette can keep paint viable for two weeks, closed but out on the painting table, in my 40% humidity - 74 degrees Fahrenheit indoor environment.
Marco, thanks a lot for this very informative video, your energy and happiness are definitely making the difference! And your skills and knowledge are amazing. I'd love to see a video on palette management, for example to see how much paint lasts wet when you spread it, which is always a big issue that I have. Thanks again!
Great video! loved to hear tips on how to handle Mediterranean heat waves xD. I wanted to ask when and how a wet palet should be cleaned to avoid mold forming up
😁 Water and dish soap is more than enough but you can add a few drops of isopropyl alcohol into the palette to make its water more stable in the long term
A neutral sponge you can use for DIY palettes is the Magic Eraser style sponge. They are generally white and similair to the commercial palette sponges, but with a very rough surface. They also hold a ton of water and tend to be much thicker, the only downside is that the sponges are extremely abrasive so you have to be very careful to not let them touch your brushes. (the abrasive quality makes them great fine sanding tools so they're great to have in the toolkit anyway)
Just make sure the Magic Eraser is the original-nothing added to the sponge. It works beautifully to lift out watercolour (I use an old erasing shield for small lines, dots etc.) but test it out by dabbing first-it really does NOT need to be scrubbed.
Ferrero Rocher box is amazing! Brilliant idea haha. Sadly Australia is a humid climate no matter where you are, so closing the lid on any wet palette leaves you with soup the next day and even leaving it open a crack doesn't help much either!! I might try putting it in the fridge from now on, it has about as much in it as yours! 😂
I currently live in Japan. The struggle with the (extremely) hot weather, is real. I also have another problem… Turning the air-con on makes my paint dry in seconds! there is just not winning…(sigh!). Thank you so much for the tips. (Subscribed immediately )
Wonderfull info Marco. As always thorough and well explained. I wonder if I could trouble you with a quick question. I made a home made pallete and I'm using baking paper (non waxed). However, I am finding that when letting the paint sit overnight, it gets very diluted. Even GW basecoat paints end up too diluted. For example, the rakarth flesh base paint, ended up with the consistency of a wash, staining recesses and staying away from the raised areas. Thanks in advance for your help. Cheers
Am not sure if it was mentioned: use distilled water and put some copper (eg wire or euro cent coin) into the pallets to prevent mold. Not necessary for the everlasting pallets as their sponge is mold resistant already.
Depends a lot on where you live and how clean the water is as well :) I've never had problems with mold, and i've had my tap water in the box for weeks at a time without changing it (when i've just left it)
Also, drop a copper coin or bit of copper wire under the sponge. Copper has antibacterial properties and will help delay the water from stagnating and inhibits the growth of mold.
@@AdrianvanNunen Just make sure your "copper" coin really is copper. In the UK many of the old coppers have been replaced with cheap steel blanks since the copper is worth more than the worthless currency! To check use a magnet, if it sticks then it is a cheap steel blank and not copper.
@@BarringtonDailey Good point. In Australia, we stopped minting copper coins about twenty years ago and they are no longer in circulation so, while a bit hard to get hold of, they are all copper here. Other countries may be different as you say...
Thank you for all the amazing videos! One think I haven't yet figured out is how on earth are you supposed to use your wet palette to keep you colors fresh between two paint sessions. I am using the RedGrass Everlasting Wet Palette, and if I close it for as little 30 mins, the paints on the paper will be soaked in water. If I wait until the next day, I will have a big puddle with all the colors extremely diluted into water and the pigments all separated. Is this the expected behaviour?
As always, you touch on some points that are really things that not a lot of professional painters talk about and rise a lot of questions for me. Since I don't have so many people to talk to about miniature painting, I'm always fill with doubts. The thing is, the everlasting wet palette DEFINITELY behaves differently because of the sheet paper. Would you expand on the topic of achieving different consistencies (like layer, shade, or glaze consistency) on the wet palette with the more known brands of paints? I struggle a lot trying to get the right consistency for my glazes, layers and bases with this kind of paper. Thanks for the video Marco!
A drop of ammonia in your wet palette will keep it completely mold free. Obviously not terribly important for someone who paints constantly, but if you're like me and find yourself painting in random bursts when time allows, nothing is more disappointing than discovering you've got to start from scratch because you neglected your palette.
The Everlasting Wet Palette is pretty nice imo, but the paper definitely allow a little too much water through lol. It's useful if I'm going to paint a lot and often, of course, but for storage, it certainly drowns my paints. 😅
I like this video very much. I was looking around my local shop for baking paper and the only kind I found was that has silicone on both sides to make the paper non stick. Can I use this kind of paper or should I aim for some other type of paper?
Marco, I was wondering if you could dedicate a couple of videos to working solely with a brush (no airbrush)? Love your approach, energy and dedication, and would love to see all that channeled single mindedly into the humble paintbrush for a couple of episodes, for those of us too stubborn (and broke) to buy an airbrush. Cheers mate.
Hi! Sure, it's something I plan to do like a regular series 😉 to touch every possible approach to painting (I want to do something also about pure oil painting 😉)
No, it's definitely better something not air proof ; a perfect seal generates a micro water cycle inside the box and you'll have water "raining" from the lid on the paint!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM thanks for the informative reply it really helps a lot! I was just a bit worried because I bought a fererro collection box for its smaller size, but found that it had no proper seal.
Very informative as always :) My wet palette is tiny, but so is my workspace! I use baking paper but never once had I considered turning the damn thing over to wet both sides....[bangs head against the wall for being dumb!]
Thanks a million buddy!!! Yeah the size of the workspace can be an annoying limit. There are very large wet palettes for canvas painters that can be awesome for big projects and terrains but they are definitely not for our tables 😅
Shops that sell makeup and beauty products often have white face towellettes that look exactly like the sponge in the Everlasting Wet Palette. I got one from the Bodyshop (Australia) and it's excellent!
I'm using the GW wet palette right now, but I feel like I'm missing something. The paint doesn't really stay wet that much longer (almost like the water doesn't go through the paper that came with the palette). I see you turn the paper around in the video, I'll be trying that later and hope it solves the issue.
Good question! I thin them exactly the same; the effect of the wet palette is in the long term so it doesn't effect your mixing directly. But depending on the environment conditions you can find your paint a bit diluted in the next days
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Ah, that is good to know!!! I was thinking that they shouldn't be interacting with the water on the wet pallete, but now I see that is not the case at all! Thanks!!!
Head slap when I saw you recommend a Ferrari Rocher box. And you can see your paints :-). I wonder if instead of using a sponge if an artificial chamois would work better? They come in different sizes so you can customize it to the palette. Awesome video as always.
i made a wet palette with letter boxes, the lid is basically the same as the everlasting one but without the seal. The issue i've been facing is that the paints are super watery, up to the point they collect in drops right after i stop mixing them. I think it may be because of the paper i'm using but not entirely sure. Mine is baking paper and it does not say whether it's waxed or not. Any suggestion?
So, I think I missed the message with the Masterson Sta' Wet Pallette... Parchment Paper vs their Paper? Which one do you recommend? Otherwise, great tutorial, as always!
I never really tried their paper, just a couple of sheets when I bought the palette! But in general I think that parchment paper can do perfectly the job without spending too much in very similar products with a different packaging 😉
I just got a wet pallet, but I'm have a little confusion with it. The paper that you put on the foam, should the top of it be dry or should I get the whole sheet wet?
I'm not sure if I've got the correct paper. How wet should it be? Should the paper be wet to the touch or just slightly damp? My paper is very slightly damp but not wet. I bought Bacofoil baking paper. Is that the right type?
If I spread my paints out too thin while mixing colors they dry fast (low humidity) but if I leave the lid on too long, the paint gets far too watery and I can only use it as for a wash it seems. How do you keep paints close to their working water content in both these conditions?
Whenever I use my wet palette my paints always seem to bleed on the paper. It retains it's original shape when I squeeze it our of the bottle but it starts to to spread out from under it, yours and other painters I've seen seems to stay in the "blob" you squeezed out but without the bleed underneath. I've tried more water, less water and it always seems to happen? I use Vallejo paints on my palette. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you
Having the fan on dries out the paint on the wet pallette very quickly so i also have my humidifier running. My wet pallette doesnt have a lid so thats probably something i can improve.
How did you specifically adapt to the feature of the paper let through too much water? I just started to use it and I find it really "runny" the paint after just a few hours...
Ferrero Rocher are available in Australia and it's coming up to Christmas...guess what my wife is getting for one of her presents 😁Thanks for your tips, Marco
Hello Marco! I've been trying to set up a wet palette for a couple of days now and the issue I keep running on is I can't mix paints without ripping the parchment paper. I've tried using tracing paper but the same thing happened. What am I doing wrong? Is it too much pressure with the brush? I really tried to be light-handed. Is it an issue for many beginners too? Thanks a lot for the great video!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Hey Marco! Thanks for the reply! Living in Rio, access to high quality art supplies is limited to non-existent, when not extremely expensive, and it's unfortunately no different with a lot of other supplies too. I've tried using 60g/m^2 Canson tracing paper with the same result: my brush scrapes the paper and I get little paper particles. I have found Canson 40g/m^2 parchment paper, but I'm not sure it would work. By the way, I wish I had seen your Extreme Lights video before I painted my Darth Vader. haha Best wishes, Marco! Keep it up! Thanks!
Breno Ronchini Lidl is a grocery store, use a non-stick baking paper not artist paper. Artist paper is designed to absorb a lot of water, we want this paper to act as a membrane only
I’ve been thinking about getting some red grass paper and a sponge and putting it in a ferrero rocher box. Do you think this is worth the effort over baking paper?
Hey Marco, do you do the same flipping of your Hydration Paper with the Everlasting Wet Palette? I have the issue, that my paint dries a bit to fast with it, especially the thin layers of mixes I produce on top of it. Never had this issue with the DIY stuff... Great Channel, imho a perfect balance of information, video lenght and entertainment!
Hi!!! Yes I do the same with the everlasting palette but only if I'm using baking paper; with their paper I just put it on the film of water 😉 Thanks a million buddy!!!
Hey Marco great video! Quick question I don’t know if it’s been asked yet. What is your opinion on putting metallic paints on the wet pallet? I read not to do it, and then read other things that it is a urban legend. Your input would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks a million!!! In general I prefer using metallic paints on a dry palette to minimise the natural separation of their heavy pigments but I put them on the wet palette every time I use them into a mix to facilitate their suspension
Marco, no matter what I do, when I seal my wet palettes, the paint always has a consistency like water after one night. They are like an ink but with less pigmentation. Any ideas what’s going on? (This happens no matter what kind of palette or paper I use. Red grass paper or parchment paper, the paint always breaks.)
It's a pretty common problem with palettes with a good sealing (it's 10000% not a paper issue!); water evaporates at its natural pace, but it's trapped inside the box, turning it into a mini tropical environment (sometimes water can recondense on the lid and then rains down on the paint!!!). The solution is to the keep the palette a bit open, letting the air flow and the excess humidity go away with it! Depending on your climate you can even just don't use the lid at all! I'm in Ireland and because of general humidity I never use the lid. I literally don't know where's my lid at the moment 😅 A few friends drilled holes in their lids to be able to protect the paint from dust/pets/kids but get the air flowing!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM 8:37 Marco, I apologize as I sent my question before seeing the video address this here. That said, THANK YOU for your rapid and clear response (less than a few hours!). Your videos are the best of the genre and my only regret is being a Patreon supporter for a mere year. Take care and I wish you the best!
@@someguy2441 It's a pleasure! And honestly I totally didn't remember that I talked about that in the video 😅 Thank you SOOOOO much for your support 😊😁😊😘😘😘 really, from the heart
Hi! I Just bought my first redgrass wet palette as xmas gift... But this is my question: I don't paint every day but only when I can.... maybe during the weekend... maybe once or twice a month... should I dry the sponge evey time before store the palette? I'm a bit worried about leaving all that water inside the palette for weeks. Won't it ruin the sponge?
Hey @MarcoFrisoniNJM, I have a question. I used the exact methods in this video, but after I let my paint sit on the wet palette for a night, the next day they are very watery. Can you help me with this?
Usually a good stir of the paints is enough to solve everything, they look bad when you open the lid but they are still usable. Here other possible solutions: -keep the lid a bit open to give to the evaporated water a way out. -try different papers; every paper is a bit different so you have to find what works better on your table. -put more paint on the palette; during a night it's very easy to fill with water a small reservoir of paint 😉
Trick for Red Grass palette, drill 3 small holes in the center. That was what I did to eliminate the condensation. Same trick you would do with car head lamps that get condensation.
Amazing! Thanks, I've had a wet pallet for about 2 years but clearly been using it in the wrong way, I wasn't leaving enough water in it. Do you still thin paint on a wet pallet (assuming using Citadel Paints)?
Really glad to help!!! Yes you still need to thin your paints normally, the wet palette just helps in the long term maintaining the water you loose with the evaporation 😉
Nice video as usual! My problem with wet palettes is that (for me) it seems totally not usable for making glazes or washes. Somehow if I thin the paint below a certain amount, it seems to simply sink into the parchment paper and disappear! In the end, I have to frequently re-mix my glazes. Basically I mix the color thickly on the wet palette, and then I thin it down with a lot of water on the dry palette. Is there any solution for this?
I know that you posted this a year ago but I thought I'd reply. I make glazes all of the time in my wet palette, in fact that is what I use it for about 90% of the time. After first making sure that your paint is thoroughly mixed (especially Vallejo) in the bottle/pot before using, I would suggest swapping to a different brand of greaseproof paper. When I make a glaze I only use glazing medium, I do not thin it with water and it lasts for days.
Forgive me if this is somewhere else in the comments. I've been using a wet palette for some time and I don't ever want to go back. Unfortunately I had some serious mildew problems if I left the lid closed. I live in a very dry climate so if I have the lid open at all the palette just dries out defeating the whole purpose. The solve was to add a little rubbing alcohol to the water and sponge. You have to take care with how much you put in as it will radically change the way the paint flows. Rule of thumb is you add just enough to start to smell it then let it sit for a bit and evaporate. If you can barely to not smell the alcohol you're good. I can now leave the wet pallet sealed in the hobby room (no fridge) for months and there's no mildew :) Paints still separate depending on their purity but that's life...
Occasional cleaning of your sponge with alcohol will help kill any microbes in it, distilled water for sure if your local tap water isn't the best. I personally put some strips of pure copper wire under my sponge and haven't had a problem since.
Demineralised water is useful in the airbrush because you atomise water/thinner and paint pushing it at high pressure into a hole that's a fraction of a mm, so you want something with a minimal content of minerals and extra "solid" elements. With the brush this totally not an issue!
Marco, every time I watch one of your videos I’m surprised by how deep your knowledge of materials is. This is coming from a master painter. Not miniatures but fine art. Many of the things you cover are rarely taught in art schools these days... and you do it with such charm. Thank you.
Thanks a million! Really, from the heart!!!
Hi, Marco!
In 6:14 you can use the lid of the food box for wet palette ;) (turn the box upside down), I have similar box and did that. That way is much more convenient and easier for me, than the deeper bottom, which I use as cover. And the water is condensing on the bigger area of the bottom and you can see if the paint is moist.
Regards!
@MarcoFrisoniNJM Made your Rochero wet pallete. Really like it. As a note, I used medical silicone foam rubber dressing as the hydration pad. This is essentially the same stuff they sell in hobby wet palletes.
Isn't that even more expensive than the ones used in wet palettes?
I love using a wet pallette! I have opened it after two weeks to find the paint still usable!
Excellent use of the chocolate case. I have the Masterton palette and it's pretty good although I do most of my figure painting in oils. Video #2 and I'm still impressed. Thanks for posting this one. Cheers!
Another great video, Marco. Such a relaxed, friendly, easy-going style you have. And these videos are great for those of us who have been painting the GW way for 20+ years and know we need to get into the wet palette but need spoon-feeding on exactly how. Sensational.
😁😊😁😊😁😊😁😊😁 Thank you sooooo much!!! Lol, I love GW but sadly for the painting side they spread a lot of disinformation and bad habits that are very difficult to change when they becomes part of your workflow!
He is correct about the usage time. I've kept mine in the frig, as an experiment, and the paint subjects lasted two months without changing out the water. I didn't extend the experience further.
i'm glad someone said it, wet palettes are required for minipainting. it's been so great since i switched. i only wish mine came with chocolates too, haha
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again, you are the one youtuber I can watch his video complete! Thanks!
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This video was so informative and really helped me think about what's happening with the wet palette when the lid is on. I have the smaller orange palette from redgrass games, which I like but part of me wishes I'd shelled out more for the Studio version! Maybe in the future. Thanks a million for making these fun videos! I loved the got climate solution! I live in an air conditioned house and I find my paints dry out like crazy when the ac runs. Thanks for explaining why that happens!
I knew you lived in Ireland based off the baking paper!
Been using a Ferrero Rocher box for the past 9 months and it's been amazing!
😁😂😁Lidl paper rules! 😍 Awesome
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM i literally just bought the same roll, only its brown. would that make much difference?. same box as well haha
A wet palette changed my life. I have a large Masterson stay wet. I use parchment paper though. I started with a DIY palette and used parchment, so it's what I'm used to. Thanks for another informative video!
Thanks!!! Yeah for a lot of quick works I still prefer using parchment paper. The technical paper is very effective for long terms palettes but more a nice optional than a must have
I used your tip to use the candy tray. I instead opted for a rectangular version that was being sold at a local store around xmas. Even used some of the candy as stocking stuffers ha. I cut a couple small strips of thicker acrylic sheeting from another package and glued them in to create a small tray for various painting tools or a few dropper bottles, a second smaller tray big enough to fit strips of the golden plastic the candy is packaged on top of, to use as small dry pallet paint wells, leaving me with about the other2/3s of the tray to use as my wet pallet. I even cut out a few semi circles on the parallel dividers so that with the lid on i can store a few brushes too. Of course i wouldnt travel with open paint in the pallet, but this little project allows me to take all the supplies i need to do some spur of the moment painting wherever i go. Thanks for the good idea.
😍😍😍😍😍 Awesome!!! You brought the idea to the extreme using every part for something useful!!! This is awesome man!!!
Oh i went overboard significantly. Haha. Even used the red/black paint scheme of a "random" 😉 popular wet pallet brand with some leftover black truck bed liner spray on the outside bottom (has a fine grit in it) to help prevent the tray from sliding during use, as well as to aide in giving your fingers something to grip when opening. Now i just need to install the colored L.E.D. strobe lights and the utube screen interface 😅 kidding.
@@ishnifusmeadle 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
ive been using ferrero boxes for ages..love it
Great solution for a DIY Wet Pallet. Thanks, Marco!
Thanks man!!!
Fantastic video this week Marco... nothing better than a fact filled video at 1.38am in the morning while working a conference 🤪... definitely my days high light.
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Hi Marco!, I'm following your channel a bit ago and learning a lot!. I like to add that if you don't put enough water, the sponge does suck water instead. Cheers!
You can pick up a roll of thin small guage copper wire from a hardware shop and make an even thin layer at the bottom of your wet pallet to help keep the mildew/stink from growing in your pallet. especially if you just use distilled water in the pallet. you can also use old copper coins for the same thing but with how thick they are they can lead to an uneven surface on the paper. I have to do that here in southern cali or it stinks after a day
Nice nice trick!!! I definitely need to try it!!!
Another excellent way of making the hobby cost effective. I created your first suggested DIY version a few months ago and with a visit to Poundland in the UK, I worked it out that it ended up costing me about 42 pence. I just replace the grease proof paper each time. BUT I really like your suggestion of the small container with those thick sponges that also cost a pound for 5. As for the Ferrero Rocher box, much better for size.
As you said, the wet palette saved my paint budget...and my nerves. It is a must!
And after trying several different containers I never found a solution to the super-hot summers on the Adriatic coast...and I have high hopes for the sponge-wet-palette for next summer. Grazie mille per l'idea :)
It's a pleasure 😉! I'm from Riccione and I lived in Ancona so I can totally guarantee for the Adriatic coast 😁😊
Thanks Marco! The deep box with thicker washing sponges sounds good. I live in LA and the air gets really dry here, sucking the moisture out of the paint almost before it even hits the palette...
It definitely can be the solution for those conditions!!! It really helps in very dry climates because the evaporation from the big reservoir of paint creates also a little bubble of humid around the work area
So true. The Red Grass Games wet palette paper does let too much water through and the tray could hold more water. I have to top mine up constantly and pre-thinned paint ends up too thin.
Oh yeah, I hate to refill water during the work, there's always something moving in wrong place and going wrong in general
For years I've been buying my wife those candies in that container. She doesn't share. And I've ALWAYS thrown out the container without a second thought. Great tip.
Thanks Marco ,i discover the wet palette technique lately,painting miniatures since years 80 with a ceramic porcelain palette.
I only work with wet Palette now and it's change my life,except for drybrush technique of course..
My wet palette is a transparent plasctic lid of food generally (cheese or fresh cream)and a sand of sopalin paper..and sulfurisé papier(greaseproof paper).
Thanks to you!!! Paper is a good solution to avoid having a colour under the baking paper but it's less efficient to store a good amount of water for a long time
Wow this is a great hack. I find acrylic pallets expensive. Thanks for this pallet hack
GW also does not push a wet pallet because most of their tutorials do not have any mixing of paints. They put together paint schemes that use the paint right out of the bottle.
Lol, don't let me start on this point 😅. I love GW but on the painting side they spread too much disinformation and bad habits...
Face palm moment, Iv'e tried wet pallets before and didn't like them. The reason, i didn't know about the sponge. Time to try them out again, but doing it the right way. Excellent video.
😁😁😁😁😁 super super glad to help!!!
Another great video. I recently started using the Everlasting Palette and am quite happy with the results. Although, as you mentioned, I'm still getting used to the amount of water that gets through.
Excellent tips, Marco! Particularly interesting were your views on the redgrass products. I have their big palette but I might try putting some backing paper in it.
Thanks a million buddy 😁! It works well and I do it often if I need more consistent paints for the first stages of a work like sketching in colours
Just outstanding. Learned a lot. Thank you for great teachings.👍👍👍👍👍
My small Masterson wet palette can keep paint viable for two weeks, closed but out on the painting table, in my 40% humidity - 74 degrees Fahrenheit indoor environment.
Nice! I recently got the big blue one and I'm reeeeeally happy with it
Marco, thanks a lot for this very informative video, your energy and happiness are definitely making the difference! And your skills and knowledge are amazing. I'd love to see a video on palette management, for example to see how much paint lasts wet when you spread it, which is always a big issue that I have. Thanks again!
Great video! loved to hear tips on how to handle Mediterranean heat waves xD.
I wanted to ask when and how a wet palet should be cleaned to avoid mold forming up
😁 Water and dish soap is more than enough but you can add a few drops of isopropyl alcohol into the palette to make its water more stable in the long term
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM should this be done weekly, monthly, yearly? I usually take several months in each kill team 😅 and keep the colors in there
A neutral sponge you can use for DIY palettes is the Magic Eraser style sponge. They are generally white and similair to the commercial palette sponges, but with a very rough surface. They also hold a ton of water and tend to be much thicker, the only downside is that the sponges are extremely abrasive so you have to be very careful to not let them touch your brushes. (the abrasive quality makes them great fine sanding tools so they're great to have in the toolkit anyway)
Just make sure the Magic Eraser is the original-nothing added to the sponge.
It works beautifully to lift out watercolour (I use an old erasing shield for small lines, dots etc.) but test it out by dabbing first-it really does NOT need to be scrubbed.
Ferrero Rocher box is amazing! Brilliant idea haha.
Sadly Australia is a humid climate no matter where you are, so closing the lid on any wet palette leaves you with soup the next day and even leaving it open a crack doesn't help much either!! I might try putting it in the fridge from now on, it has about as much in it as yours! 😂
Thanks! The fridge can really be the game changer in that condition!!!
also instead of a wet/sponge you can prepare a cool/ice palette. Jast freeze some water in a lunchbox and put a parchment on it!
@@MountainCat1986 the ice palette is an interesting extreme of the basic concept!
@@MountainCat1986 I simply use a wet piece of paper towel - that's also nicely white :o)
I currently live in Japan. The struggle with the (extremely) hot weather, is real. I also have another problem… Turning the air-con on makes my paint dry in seconds! there is just not winning…(sigh!). Thank you so much for the tips. (Subscribed immediately )
😂😂😂😂 the ferrero box is the pallet I’ve been using for the last 3 months! It’s the best thing ever, yummy and useful!
😂😁😂 it's the most useful tool of painters in the Mediterranean area 😂😁😂
MarcoFrisoniNJM calling me a painter is a bit of a stretch but I’ll take the compliment 🤘
@@alvarogalanmadrid9244 😂😂😂 if you use paints and brushes you are officially a painter!!! 😉
Oh my that is exactly what I use for my wet pallet!!!!!
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Wonderfull info Marco. As always thorough and well explained. I wonder if I could trouble you with a quick question. I made a home made pallete and I'm using baking paper (non waxed). However, I am finding that when letting the paint sit overnight, it gets very diluted. Even GW basecoat paints end up too diluted. For example, the rakarth flesh base paint, ended up with the consistency of a wash, staining recesses and staying away from the raised areas. Thanks in advance for your help. Cheers
Am not sure if it was mentioned: use distilled water and put some copper (eg wire or euro cent coin) into the pallets to prevent mold. Not necessary for the everlasting pallets as their sponge is mold resistant already.
Yeah we discussed below about distilled water but I wasn't aware of the copper trick!!!! 😮😮😮 I definitely need to try!!!
Depends a lot on where you live and how clean the water is as well :) I've never had problems with mold, and i've had my tap water in the box for weeks at a time without changing it (when i've just left it)
Have you tried using distilled water to reduce the time it takes to smell
Also, drop a copper coin or bit of copper wire under the sponge. Copper has antibacterial properties and will help delay the water from stagnating and inhibits the growth of mold.
@@AdrianvanNunen Just make sure your "copper" coin really is copper. In the UK many of the old coppers have been replaced with cheap steel blanks since the copper is worth more than the worthless currency! To check use a magnet, if it sticks then it is a cheap steel blank and not copper.
@@BarringtonDailey Good point. In Australia, we stopped minting copper coins about twenty years ago and they are no longer in circulation so, while a bit hard to get hold of, they are all copper here. Other countries may be different as you say...
Love all your vids mate am waiting till the army painter wet palette comes out 👍👍👍
Thanks!!! It really seems a nice product, I'm curious to give it a try...
Thank you for all the amazing videos! One think I haven't yet figured out is how on earth are you supposed to use your wet palette to keep you colors fresh between two paint sessions. I am using the RedGrass Everlasting Wet Palette, and if I close it for as little 30 mins, the paints on the paper will be soaked in water. If I wait until the next day, I will have a big puddle with all the colors extremely diluted into water and the pigments all separated. Is this the expected behaviour?
Awesome man! Thanks so much. Perfect box, hate chocolate, love that box 😂🤣
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As always, you touch on some points that are really things that not a lot of professional painters talk about and rise a lot of questions for me. Since I don't have so many people to talk to about miniature painting, I'm always fill with doubts.
The thing is, the everlasting wet palette DEFINITELY behaves differently because of the sheet paper. Would you expand on the topic of achieving different consistencies (like layer, shade, or glaze consistency) on the wet palette with the more known brands of paints? I struggle a lot trying to get the right consistency for my glazes, layers and bases with this kind of paper.
Thanks for the video Marco!
Wish you good luck, Marco!
Thanks a million buddy!!! 😍😍😍😍😍
For the red grass palette you could drill a hole or two in the lid to stop the condensation.very informative article 🐻🤗👍
Fantastic. Thanks Marco.
A drop of ammonia in your wet palette will keep it completely mold free. Obviously not terribly important for someone who paints constantly, but if you're like me and find yourself painting in random bursts when time allows, nothing is more disappointing than discovering you've got to start from scratch because you neglected your palette.
A couple pieces of pure copper wire under your sponge works great as well.
The Everlasting Wet Palette is pretty nice imo, but the paper definitely allow a little too much water through lol.
It's useful if I'm going to paint a lot and often, of course, but for storage, it certainly drowns my paints. 😅
Totally agree!!!
I like this video very much. I was looking around my local shop for baking paper and the only kind I found was that has silicone on both sides to make the paper non stick. Can I use this kind of paper or should I aim for some other type of paper?
Thanks a million 😊!!! No, sadly that's the wrong kind of paper because the silicone layers make it almost waterproof
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM I thought as much. The search continues then for better paper :)
Marco, I was wondering if you could dedicate a couple of videos to working solely with a brush (no airbrush)? Love your approach, energy and dedication, and would love to see all that channeled single mindedly into the humble paintbrush for a couple of episodes, for those of us too stubborn (and broke) to buy an airbrush. Cheers mate.
Hi! Sure, it's something I plan to do like a regular series 😉 to touch every possible approach to painting (I want to do something also about pure oil painting 😉)
Do you recommend using an airtight box? I can only find flat boxes which aren't airtight
No, it's definitely better something not air proof ; a perfect seal generates a micro water cycle inside the box and you'll have water "raining" from the lid on the paint!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM thanks for the informative reply it really helps a lot! I was just a bit worried because I bought a fererro collection box for its smaller size, but found that it had no proper seal.
I enjoyed step 1, I think i'll have to try that :)
😂 it's a difficult step and need some training but someone has to do it!
What do you think about using printer paper? I like it because it doesn't current up like parchment paper. Not sure if it's affecting my paint though
Very informative as always :) My wet palette is tiny, but so is my workspace! I use baking paper but never once had I considered turning the damn thing over to wet both sides....[bangs head against the wall for being dumb!]
Thanks a million buddy!!! Yeah the size of the workspace can be an annoying limit. There are very large wet palettes for canvas painters that can be awesome for big projects and terrains but they are definitely not for our tables 😅
That was a revelation, seriously. Thanks.
😁😁😁 Thanks to you!!! I'm so happy to hear that's useful!!!
Watching the video now.... but had to say... that thumb nail🤣🤣🤣 Good stuff 👍🏻
I eat aggressively my nails since my first teeth came out 😂
I use white paper towels under baking paper. It holds less water, but doesn't interfere with paints' tones.
Shops that sell makeup and beauty products often have white face towellettes that look exactly like the sponge in the Everlasting Wet Palette. I got one from the Bodyshop (Australia) and it's excellent!
One time I found a pack of white sponges... It was the best day of my life 😅😅😅
@@AdrianvanNunen interesting option!!! I definitely have to investigate...
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM also in beauty shops you can find large and soft makeup brushes that put drybrushing to a new level. And they are prety cheap.
I'm using the GW wet palette right now, but I feel like I'm missing something. The paint doesn't really stay wet that much longer (almost like the water doesn't go through the paper that came with the palette). I see you turn the paper around in the video, I'll be trying that later and hope it solves the issue.
How much do you thin your paint when using your wet pallette do you thin it as much as with a non-wet palette or near as much, or something else?
Good question! I thin them exactly the same; the effect of the wet palette is in the long term so it doesn't effect your mixing directly. But depending on the environment conditions you can find your paint a bit diluted in the next days
would it be possible to use neopren as a sponge?
It is really funny how I rewatch this video to remind me some tips and tricks you said here
In your wet pallete do you ever use thinners or mixing mediums? Keep up the awesome videos! Regards from Portugal!
Sure! The wet palette is just a work space and I use every possible kind of mediums, paints and varnishes on it 😉
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Ah, that is good to know!!! I was thinking that they shouldn't be interacting with the water on the wet pallete, but now I see that is not the case at all! Thanks!!!
Head slap when I saw you recommend a Ferrari Rocher box. And you can see your paints :-).
I wonder if instead of using a sponge if an artificial chamois would work better? They come in different sizes so you can customize it to the palette.
Awesome video as always.
😁Thanks!!! Interesting idea, it's something I need to test... It can probably store a ton of water... I love to have new stuff to test 😁😁😁
MarcoFrisoniNJM You’re welcome. Looking forward to hearing if it does work :-)
i made a wet palette with letter boxes, the lid is basically the same as the everlasting one but without the seal. The issue i've been facing is that the paints are super watery, up to the point they collect in drops right after i stop mixing them. I think it may be because of the paper i'm using but not entirely sure. Mine is baking paper and it does not say whether it's waxed or not. Any suggestion?
So, I think I missed the message with the Masterson Sta' Wet Pallette... Parchment Paper vs their Paper? Which one do you recommend?
Otherwise, great tutorial, as always!
I never really tried their paper, just a couple of sheets when I bought the palette! But in general I think that parchment paper can do perfectly the job without spending too much in very similar products with a different packaging 😉
Are we going to see a video on painting black armor on those new Slave To Darkness models? :D
10000000% sure!!! I want that kit soooo badly!!! 😉😉😉
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Me too, I hope we won't have to fight over them lol
@@samprastherabbit lol! I hope GW will stock enough boxes for the first release because every single painter will buy one 😂
la scatola dei ferrero rochet e' assolutamente geniale, usero' subito la tua idea!! grazie mille!!!
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I just got a wet pallet, but I'm have a little confusion with it. The paper that you put on the foam, should the top of it be dry or should I get the whole sheet wet?
The paper on top is dry and you don't want water on the upper/external layer! You just need to put it on top of the wet sponge
okay how did I miss this video.... Ive been using my wet pallete wrong - not enough water. Cheers Marco!!
I demand an irish accent in the future!! 😂
LOL!!! I can do it!!! But even native English speakers find it difficult to understand 😅😂😅
I'm not sure if I've got the correct paper. How wet should it be? Should the paper be wet to the touch or just slightly damp? My paper is very slightly damp but not wet. I bought Bacofoil baking paper. Is that the right type?
If I spread my paints out too thin while mixing colors they dry fast (low humidity) but if I leave the lid on too long, the paint gets far too watery and I can only use it as for a wash it seems. How do you keep paints close to their working water content in both these conditions?
Whenever I use my wet palette my paints always seem to bleed on the paper. It retains it's original shape when I squeeze it our of the bottle but it starts to to spread out from under it, yours and other painters I've seen seems to stay in the "blob" you squeezed out but without the bleed underneath. I've tried more water, less water and it always seems to happen? I use Vallejo paints on my palette. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you
Complimenti per il video! Una domanda, qui in italia cosa consigli come baking paper? La carta forno normale non è adatta vero?
Grazie!!! Sí sí la carta da forno piú semplice che trovi, io uso quella del Lidl pure qua 😅
all products can be found at LIDL at least in western europe
Having the fan on dries out the paint on the wet pallette very quickly so i also have my humidifier running. My wet pallette doesnt have a lid so thats probably something i can improve.
You can also store oil paints in the freezer
How did you specifically adapt to the feature of the paper let through too much water? I just started to use it and I find it really "runny" the paint after just a few hours...
Ferrero Rocher are available in Australia and it's coming up to Christmas...guess what my wife is getting for one of her presents 😁Thanks for your tips, Marco
Awesome timing and Christmas is the perfect excuse to smuggle some extra boxes 😁! Thanks to you buddy 😉
Hello Marco!
I've been trying to set up a wet palette for a couple of days now and the issue I keep running on is I can't mix paints without ripping the parchment paper. I've tried using tracing paper but the same thing happened. What am I doing wrong? Is it too much pressure with the brush? I really tried to be light-handed. Is it an issue for many beginners too? Thanks a lot for the great video!
Hi! Usually in this case the problem is in the parchment paper itself; try with a couple of different brands, I like the one from Lidl for example 😉
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Hey Marco! Thanks for the reply!
Living in Rio, access to high quality art supplies is limited to non-existent, when not extremely expensive, and it's unfortunately no different with a lot of other supplies too.
I've tried using 60g/m^2 Canson tracing paper with the same result: my brush scrapes the paper and I get little paper particles.
I have found Canson 40g/m^2 parchment paper, but I'm not sure it would work.
By the way, I wish I had seen your Extreme Lights video before I painted my Darth Vader. haha
Best wishes, Marco! Keep it up! Thanks!
Breno Ronchini Lidl is a grocery store, use a non-stick baking paper not artist paper. Artist paper is designed to absorb a lot of water, we want this paper to act as a membrane only
I’ve been thinking about getting some red grass paper and a sponge and putting it in a ferrero rocher box. Do you think this is worth the effort over baking paper?
It's a valid option! The sponge is great and the paper is a good tool when you become used to it, all the rest is more a fancy optional
hey dude.
I really need some nice, Grimdark Salamanders.
Any idea how i could pull it off ?
Hey Marco, do you do the same flipping of your Hydration Paper with the Everlasting Wet Palette? I have the issue, that my paint dries a bit to fast with it, especially the thin layers of mixes I produce on top of it. Never had this issue with the DIY stuff...
Great Channel, imho a perfect balance of information, video lenght and entertainment!
Hi!!! Yes I do the same with the everlasting palette but only if I'm using baking paper; with their paper I just put it on the film of water 😉 Thanks a million buddy!!!
Hey Marco great video! Quick question I don’t know if it’s been asked yet. What is your opinion on putting metallic paints on the wet pallet? I read not to do it, and then read other things that it is a urban legend. Your input would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks a million!!! In general I prefer using metallic paints on a dry palette to minimise the natural separation of their heavy pigments but I put them on the wet palette every time I use them into a mix to facilitate their suspension
Marco, no matter what I do, when I seal my wet palettes, the paint always has a consistency like water after one night. They are like an ink but with less pigmentation. Any ideas what’s going on? (This happens no matter what kind of palette or paper I use. Red grass paper or parchment paper, the paint always breaks.)
It's a pretty common problem with palettes with a good sealing (it's 10000% not a paper issue!); water evaporates at its natural pace, but it's trapped inside the box, turning it into a mini tropical environment (sometimes water can recondense on the lid and then rains down on the paint!!!). The solution is to the keep the palette a bit open, letting the air flow and the excess humidity go away with it! Depending on your climate you can even just don't use the lid at all! I'm in Ireland and because of general humidity I never use the lid. I literally don't know where's my lid at the moment 😅 A few friends drilled holes in their lids to be able to protect the paint from dust/pets/kids but get the air flowing!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM 8:37 Marco, I apologize as I sent my question before seeing the video address this here. That said, THANK YOU for your rapid and clear response (less than a few hours!). Your videos are the best of the genre and my only regret is being a Patreon supporter for a mere year. Take care and I wish you the best!
@@someguy2441 It's a pleasure! And honestly I totally didn't remember that I talked about that in the video 😅 Thank you SOOOOO much for your support 😊😁😊😘😘😘 really, from the heart
I'm in ireland too, whereabouts are you? I'm in Galway
Hi! Nice to meet you!!! I moved from Sligo to Dublin this June 😊
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM we'll have to colloborate some time!
@@DreadWaaaghGaming Totally agree 😁😁😁! And I plan to organise something in Dublin very soon 😉😉😉
Hi! I Just bought my first redgrass wet palette as xmas gift... But this is my question: I don't paint every day but only when I can.... maybe during the weekend... maybe once or twice a month... should I dry the sponge evey time before store the palette? I'm a bit worried about leaving all that water inside the palette for weeks. Won't it ruin the sponge?
It wont ruin it
I had no idea that you lived in Ireland! I am waving from near Tipperary 😊
Hey @MarcoFrisoniNJM, I have a question. I used the exact methods in this video, but after I let my paint sit on the wet palette for a night, the next day they are very watery. Can you help me with this?
Usually a good stir of the paints is enough to solve everything, they look bad when you open the lid but they are still usable. Here other possible solutions:
-keep the lid a bit open to give to the evaporated water a way out.
-try different papers; every paper is a bit different so you have to find what works better on your table.
-put more paint on the palette; during a night it's very easy to fill with water a small reservoir of paint 😉
Trick for Red Grass palette, drill 3 small holes in the center. That was what I did to eliminate the condensation. Same trick you would do with car head lamps that get condensation.
Amazing! Thanks, I've had a wet pallet for about 2 years but clearly been using it in the wrong way, I wasn't leaving enough water in it. Do you still thin paint on a wet pallet (assuming using Citadel Paints)?
Really glad to help!!! Yes you still need to thin your paints normally, the wet palette just helps in the long term maintaining the water you loose with the evaporation 😉
You can just put the paint on the palette and just work it a bit on the paper to pull some water up from the sponge.
Nice video as usual! My problem with wet palettes is that (for me) it seems totally not usable for making glazes or washes. Somehow if I thin the paint below a certain amount, it seems to simply sink into the parchment paper and disappear! In the end, I have to frequently re-mix my glazes. Basically I mix the color thickly on the wet palette, and then I thin it down with a lot of water on the dry palette. Is there any solution for this?
I know that you posted this a year ago but I thought I'd reply. I make glazes all of the time in my wet palette, in fact that is what I use it for about 90% of the time.
After first making sure that your paint is thoroughly mixed (especially Vallejo) in the bottle/pot before using, I would suggest swapping to a different brand of greaseproof paper.
When I make a glaze I only use glazing medium, I do not thin it with water and it lasts for days.
Any tricks on how to get the paint out of the goofy Citadel bottles with minimal waste?
I second this statement. Maybe a demonstration on how to get them into dropper bottles from Marco would be required?
Forgive me if this is somewhere else in the comments. I've been using a wet palette for some time and I don't ever want to go back. Unfortunately I had some serious mildew problems if I left the lid closed. I live in a very dry climate so if I have the lid open at all the palette just dries out defeating the whole purpose. The solve was to add a little rubbing alcohol to the water and sponge. You have to take care with how much you put in as it will radically change the way the paint flows. Rule of thumb is you add just enough to start to smell it then let it sit for a bit and evaporate. If you can barely to not smell the alcohol you're good. I can now leave the wet pallet sealed in the hobby room (no fridge) for months and there's no mildew :)
Paints still separate depending on their purity but that's life...
Using distilled water will help with the mold/mildew issues and allow you to keep the lid closed.
Occasional cleaning of your sponge with alcohol will help kill any microbes in it, distilled water for sure if your local tap water isn't the best. I personally put some strips of pure copper wire under my sponge and haven't had a problem since.
Marco, if it is important to use demineralized water or even thinner when airbrushing, why is it not important with brush painting.
Demineralised water is useful in the airbrush because you atomise water/thinner and paint pushing it at high pressure into a hole that's a fraction of a mm, so you want something with a minimal content of minerals and extra "solid" elements. With the brush this totally not an issue!
Good luck finishing the miniature
😁😊😁 Thanks! Everything went well and I won a gold medal!!!
Hahaaha I live in the Atacama desert región in chile and the kitchen sponges work reaaaallly well!!!!
Brilliant stuff marco
Thanks a million 😊😊😊