@@danowarhealy6890 Haha love it, I found that out on the Cornette drive through, huge feud for the past few years, The Dynamic Dude Vs wee Jimmy, Ostrich Vs Max, flips Vs story telling, it's a battle for the ages mate 😂
Bischoff used the same concept (invasion/inter promotional feud between two rival companies/factions) as NJPW vs. UWFI but that's where the similarities end. Not sure how that is stealing. However nWo was vastly different in presentation and execution to NJPW vs. UWFI plus did things that were ground breaking and revolutionary. The reality is NJPW copied WCW's nWo aka nWo japan. I could be wrong think NJPW may have even paid WCW for the rights to use the nWo trademark and sell merch. nWo got over huge in Japan also.
It’s that at the end of the day there are no original ideas, it’s wrestling. It’s been around for over 100 years. Everyone borrows from each other, goes back and puts their spin on it. Not to make this an attack on Tony Khan but all his ideas aren’t exactly original either. The difference is he hasn’t figured out a way to put a spin on it that resonates with masses the way the NWO did. You just said it, the NWO didn’t just help raise the interest of the business in America but worldwide and across 2 companies. The idea of an invading company isn’t new and New Japan didn’t invent it either. For a man who proclaims himself a historian Dave should know that.
The bigger picture was that WCW versus the NWO was faction versus faction. That was hardly a new idea. The earliest example of this that I can find in wrestling was (wait for it) The People's Army versus Big Bad John's Army in the Australian version of World Championship Wrestling (the feud taking place in the early '70s). Guess who was the head of that promotion? Mah boy, mah boy! The promoter was Jim Barnett. Now guess where Barnett was working in 1996? Mah boy, mah boy! Barnett was working for the American version of World Championship Wrestling. When I say faction versus faction, I don't just mean a faction of three or four against another faction of three or four. The People's Army versus Big Bad John's Army was almost like the promotion had been split in two. A lot of folks take credit for the WCW vs NWO angle, yet I never heard Barnett speak about it. For all we know, Barnett could've casually mentioned the idea to someone else in WCW, and others ran with it.
What’s funny to me is how just 3-5 years ago the comments would be full of Meltzer fans saying how dumb Bischoff is and how little he knows about running a wrestling company
And how is that not a fact? He ran WCW into the ground, a promotion backed by a billionaire, owned by a TV Business and yet, what did Bischoff accomplish? 9 million lost in 1995, 9,7 million lost in 1999, nearly 64 million dollars lost in 2000 and despite live TV, PPV, Hogan and tons of other big names, out of 6 years running the promotion he had success for barely 1 1/2 years, in between, what were his ideas? Battlebowl? One of the lowest drawing PPVs ever? Kiss and the stupid demon? Making the karate teacher of his son a wrestler? Ripping off Mortal Kombat, when that franchise was dead and buried? Then he did the Ringrats stuff and it doesn't even start because he screwed up. Then he went to TNA and once he, Russo and Hogan took over, the ratings crashed and crumbled until Impact drew a record low of 0.5
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nw I had a reply that covered most of your points and agreed with some but I erased half of it and am not wanting to retype it all. Some of the things you’re pointing out aren’t on Bischoff. Especially about wcw shutting down. AOL didn’t want wrestling under their banner so they kicked Ted out and started restricting funding and limiting what wcw could do
@@theconductor20 Stop reading Death of WCW and arrive in the real world. 1. Yes, the sale of WCW was orchestrated by Brad Siegel (Time Warner, not AOL) and Sty Snyder (Turner) in a basically illegal inside deal, we know that since Bob Ryder's interview in 2001. BUT 2. doesn't change the fact that: - Bischoff had everything on a gold plate, not even a siler platter, a gold plate. He got live TV because Ted said so. He got Hogan. He got Savage. He got Nash. He got Hall. He gave ridiculous contracts to everybody, because he had no business sense (and never forget the insane story of Fake Diese and Razor leading to Hall and Nash getting more money because Bischoff was so dumb to believe they jumped ship - despite valid contracts) - He wasted money on the most idiotic, absurd, retarded things that ever happened in wrestling. Road Wild. PPV on a Beach, Kiss, Megadeth, Glacier and his stupid expensive entrance. The guy had, again, no business sense whatsoever. He doesn't know how to control finances. He said so himself, he constantly shifted finances from one year to another, he said so on the podcast. We're talking about somebody who doesn't even know what EBITDA is! - he fired all the future superstars, that has been talked to death - he insisted on driving the one idea that worked into the ground, because had nothing else to offer. creatively he was as bankrupt as he was financially in 1992 and 2017. It's amazing how Meltzer, and the WWE narrative turned Bischoff from what he was: Ultimately a failure with 5 minutes of success, into this "god", the whole "he nearly drove the WWF into bankruptcy" claim is just absurd. The WWF was still doing bigger numbers attendance wise and unlike Eric, Vince understood how important foreign markets were. While Eric won the ratings war of 1 show, the WWF was operating worldwide, making a ton of money in Camada. Europe, India and other places.
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nw I can see you’re passionate about this and I’m too sick to keep this up. I’ve heard the pay raise story was false but who knows. I do know I’d hire Bischoff over TK 101 times out of 100
Over the years Dave has gone from a somewhat coherent writer, as demonstrated here, (lies, truth, or not, doesn't matter) to now nearly everything Dave writes is this: "I've heard there is a plan, 100% a plan, but what that plan is, is still up in the air." Or: "It is going to happen, when, not sure. But, even if it doesn't happen, there is a possibility it might happen. No one knows what, but something definitely could happen. Or not."
Yeah it’s why I can’t listen to him talk. He has no respect for his audiences time. I’ve seen entire 10 minute ramblings from him that summarise as “x attendance figures were low, but that was down to them having to chance venue at a few days notice”
Yeah. And he's go to line is if something doesn't happen: Well, um, they must, um, have changed their minds. How he still gets people to pay for his crap is beyond me even when everyone starting to call him out on his BS on videos more.
He was never a coherent writer. I subscribed to the Observer in the early 90s but after about two years I couldn’t take his terrible writing anymore. Compared to Wade Keller he was a total amateur and a straight bad writer. But he has done totally off the rails in recent years. He’s a total loon.
Dave has a rare ability or rare talent or however you want to put it to bring enemies together because they all hate his guts. When Bischoff Vince Russo and Jim cornette who otherwise can't stand the sight of one another agree that Dave is a piece of shit and they say the same exact things about him, that's once in a lifetime😂😂
@polsdofer nonsense. The idea is when someone is obsessed like one atm eric is you can use it. You can't say he lives rent free in conrad thompsons head.
@@tonyclifton2230Sure, but if a guy is falsely attacking you for almost three decades now, you can't blame him for being this mad at the guy, can you?
@jamirimaj6880 heveas hanging out with meltzer 20 years ago when he was thinking of buying wcw. He is bitter because meltzer was negative on him going to tna.
Actual clowns are so talented and are really nice and dignified people, they treat kids and their audience so good. Far from being a lying, propagandist tool. So yeah, actual clowns should be insulted being compared to Uncle Dave.
We're dealing with the same man who thought Shibata got his brain removed and thought a clip of Triple H and the Rock in 2015 was a backstage segment for Wrestlemania 40 🤣
.... look honestly I believe hhh and rock were putting out that face off JUST IN CASE there would be a time down the line where they could use it to build to a fued. Not saying it was planned at all but just putting the visual out there. Just like how batista was throwing little things here and there for years about hhh if Dave was able to have his final match which did happen.
@Bls-of1ld well what did he say exactly? I haven't heard what he said, I have seen the staredown with hhh and rock so I put 2 and 2 together but happy to hear what he said specifically to change my view.
@jonathandrewstefancin5924 I think it has something to do with him being a fan of Meltzer. On the Something to Wrestle with podcast, Bruce Prichard is known for not liking Dave Meltzer, whereas Conrad Thompson usually defends him.
@@lancethefilmguy9392It's always funny when he is talking to a person that was actually involved in something like Eric, Bruce, etc...Conrad always goes "In the Observer, it was quoted as saying" like it's the gospel. Someone that was involved, he disagrees with them because the Observer said something else lol
Meltzer should take that "firing Hogan and Nash" advise to Tony Khlown and tell him to release: The Young Bucks, Adam Page, Jack Perry and Orange Cassidy
In all fairness here, Meltzer is referring to the storyline in NJPW of the young blood against the old guard which Bischoff has stated numerous times that was his inspiration for the nWo. Whether he "stole" the idea or did like every creative person does which is take elements from things you perceive in life and mix them up with ideas from your imagination to amalgamate them into a solid concept is kind of splitting hairs. Every thing you see creatively was _inspired_ by something that has already happened. The nWo wasn't a "copy" of the NJPW angle anymore than D-Generation X was a "copy" of the nWo. They all shared a common theme which was "upset the established order," but had very different paths to get there. Ironically, D-Generation X was the only one that succeeded as they run WWE now. 🤣
I was gonna say this actually. It's was a NJPW idea wasn't it? The exact storyline of the NWO wasn't stolen, but the idea behind it was an inspired from there.
Anytime i watch a wrestling news video on RUclips and they go "Meltzer said" i just laugh. Unless its something from AEW he "reports" its pure bullshit. With AEW we know he lives under Tony's desk.
Foley said that Bischoff did bullshit his way into his position. Eric realized that Ted Turner loved Ric Flair, so any time Turner was present and someone mentioned an idea, Eric would look at Ted and say "what would Ric think of that?" Eric was not qualified for the position when he got it.
Here's a question: how else do you acquire a job with a company? You talk your way into it. Isn't that how it's done? The squeaky wheel gets the oil. (Or you can just nail your employer's daughter.) Face it: wrestling is a business full of carnies, hucksters, con men and charlatans. You're expecting Eric Bischoff to ask for a position in the same way that a Girl Scout sells cookies? I've said it elsewhere: Eric is full of crap, yet he knew what industry he was in. He knew that he had to be loud and persistent to obtain the position he wanted. If that meant he had to spread some bull manure, so be it. A *lot* of people use varying degrees of horse dung in their job interviews. It's not as if Eric Bischoff just walked off the street and became the Executive Vice President of Operations. He was *working* for WCW at the time. Additionally, he'd worked for the AWA. The world is *teeming* with people who are dreadfully unqualified for their positions. If Bischoff wasn't qualified for his post, well, he was hardly the first person in history to fit that description.
@@markv1274 - how about competence? Christfuck, try thinking. Would you rather have a boss that actually knows his job or a boss who just got the position because he rammed his nose up the owner's ass? Yeah, Eric had a job with the company, but it wasn't anything that had a track to the position he ended up with.
Honestly, I kind of wish Eric would have gone forward with that other show with Bully Ray as the co-host every week instead of just a guest. They had more chemistry than Conrad and Eric do nowadays.
As far as I remember, back then it wasn't just Meltzer I heard this from but a couple small wrestling shows and podcasts. People say what happened in Japan "Inspired" Eric for the NWO. Meltzer says the word "Copied" and that triggers him.
I don't know anyone actually in the Wrestling business that takes Dave Meltzer seriously, yet basically every "wrestling news" channel quotes him and acts like he is an authority on wrestling. IDK how many times I have heard "According to Dave Meltzer" on a wrestling news channel, but when actual people in the industry talk about him it is never to say anything good about him.
@josephrichard9393 he is just guessing. No one is leaking him anything. He is wrong quite a lot and his star rating system is garbage, some of the best matches, with the most story told in the matches, are rated low. And some of the most boring matches ever are rated high. He doesn't have a single 5 star match for WWE in the entire attitude era, his first one was in like 2011 or something.
Does Eric have CTE? up until this point I recall Eric admitting to be influenced by whatever was going on in Japan at the time. Lol Conrad didn't even challenge him on it
there were scores of invasion angles that Bish probably borrowed ideas from that ultimately led to the nWo's creation. But the All Japan angle Meltzer cited looked nothing like the NWO.
The Conrad podcasts all follow this same tired playbook. Twist Meltzer’s words and rip him despite the fact that both Bruce and Bischoff regularly talked to him in the 90s. It’s tedious.
@@sytharnia1717 Or, and hear me out here, this RUclips clip popped up on my feed and I watched. Yeah, that seems plausible. Haven’t actually listened to one of the pods since 2019 or so.
Dave Meltzer replied to this "You know, its like, something bububut you know, I think, its just one of those things that *chomps peanuts unprofessionally* something is about yyoyoyoyoyou know?"
He claims that this business is hard to understand for outsiders, but then why is WWE having the best years in their existence ever since Nick Khan (an outsider) got his hands on the company? Wrestling is business is just like any other. You put on a good show, people will be drawn to it and pour money into it. Keep that going for a while and more money will come. It's that simple.
The biggest problem with Dave is that he tries to put himself on the same level as people who are managing or who have managed a promotion….its one thing to report, but Dave puts his opinion out there like it’s the end all, be all and that it’s superior when he’s never booked a show in his life. Dude is also a boring, tomato can of a “reporter”.
Per wikipedia The nWo storyline was an idea created by WCW Executive Vice President Eric Bischoff, whose inspiration for the angle came after attending New Japan Pro-Wrestling's Battle Formation show at the Tokyo Dome on April 29, 1996.[citation needed] The show was headlined by a NJPW vs. UWFi match for the IWGP Heavyweight Championship, as New Japan's Shinya Hashimoto defeated UWFi's Nobuhiko Takada. Bischoff wanted to do an invasion-type angle where World Championship Wrestling (WCW) was being sabotaged by another wrestling group, initially insinuated as being the World Wrestling Federation (WWF), since the nWo's founding members had previously wrestled for the company. I would argue Dave was someright right, although I wouldn't call it "stealing", more like getting the idea from New Japan and putting his own spin on it
@@markv1274 Not that I ever watched New Japan, but i seen many people in the 90s mentioned how New Japan had a smilar angle on message boards so I doubt he made that up
If WWE really wants to make next year's Wrestlemania pop they need to book what I would call a "Blood Feud Tournament". Bracket 1 would be Vince Russo vs Dave Meltzer. Bracket 2 would be Jim Cornette vs Eric Bischoff. The matches would all be under the "first blood" stipulation. This will never be offered but, if it were, how would you feel about that eZe E?
@@markv1274 - I get where you're coming from markv but that's what vignettes are for. Clips from past events and interviews from all four would fix that quickly. It'd be fun and I bet Eric would love it. Even better if they had a special guest ref who hates all 4 guys.
Meltzer probably means the UWFi vs. New Japan angle and apparently Bish attended some of the events in Japan. Judging by his reaction, I think Meltzer struck a nerve lol.
Eric B and 99.7% of Americans at the time didn’t watch NJPW so how did he steal from them. AEW can’t avg over 700k viewers but Meltzer still gives it 5 stars. Trash
I stopped paying attention to Meltzer when he gave so much praise to the Young Bucks - wrestlers who, 20 years ago, would have jobbed to the Gambler on WCW Pro.
@@znsbj38Because Meltzer's AEW bias proves he has no credibility. Which was the OP's point or did you miss that? Most of us who were familiar with him already knew that, but it was much harder to prove before AEW. It goes hand in hand when speaking to Meltzer's lack of objectivity and credibility.
@@sonofsarek everybody should’ve stopped paying attention to Meltzer when ranked Omega and The Bucks matches higher than Steamboat, Flair and The Steiners
I'd ask Dave on X, but he blocked me for asking how, if MJF coming back after being advertised ad nauseum didn't move the ratings back above 800K, it would impact the TV deal. Pussy.
I thought the nWo was from a Japan story line. If I’m not mistaken it was mentioned by eric. Oh wait. Maybe I read it years ago from Dave. Okay night be my mistake. I thought I read it on your book.
Dave these comes of like the relative that lives his dream through a child that halfway Made it and now does everything to make sure everybody loves what the child does, because it's really what he Always wanted to do
That's ridiculous to say Eric stole the idea for the nWo from Japan. The idea is something a ten year old could come up with. It's so basic and obvious. And that's not an insult to Eric. I say that because he made the right moves, hiring the right people at the right time and this organically grown angle came about. It was the obvious thing to do. He didn't need to steal ideas from Japan. His implementation is the difference. There's a reason people still talk about the nWo all of these years later but no one even knows the name of the faction in Japan he supposedly stole the idea from.
the UWF invasion never seemed like much to copy. I think some people still hear that Bischoff stole the idea from NJPW, then show pictures of nWo Japan, that happened after the nWo started in WCW because even they're mistaken on the topic. it might have taken a cue or inspiration, but there was nothing to build off of besides "wrestlers invade other promotion". nWo was only the guise of an invasion anyway. WWF and WCW werent working together. Id say how it played out was more uniquely clever than the UWF invasion and NJPW ended up profiting off of it 2 fold because they inherited the branding and talent trading from WCW, helping them as well and growing their audeince from the America side.
Why does anyone with a brain listen to Meltzer? He's a fan that gets 3rd, 4th hand intel and pretty much a historian of wrestling. Anything he says, if not based on history, is his opinion (dressed as facts). Conrad HAS to know Dave is just guessing and making sh*t up AT the point!
He's a dynamic dude no doubt, wish I was so young as Old brain melter, anyone seen him on that skateboard looking jubilant with his Young Fucks onesie with the fringe 😂
Conrad and Dave have a falling out? Conrad is just setting Eric up to destroy Dave. As Conrad is normally should deep up everyones butt who is involved with AEW incluing AEW supporters, this clip makes you wonder if Conrad is finally trying to pull his head out or if he just needed to catch his breath before going back in.
Been watching wrestling since 1984. Before Nitro there was barely any Lucha wrestling at all in the united states. I know ECW was doing it but very few people saw it. Without Eric there is no Lucha boom in America and therefore is probably no aew at all. All those guys grew up watching the Lucas in WCW
Meltzer is/was the mouthpiece for wrestlers who just don't have "it". People in the wrestling business who know that someone else in the company is better than them, goes running to Meltzer with some made-up bs story burying the person they know is better than they are. And Meltzer puts it out there as "fact". Then Alvarez, Scherer etc. repeat it. It's easy to see who was feeding Meltzer these "inside scoops", because those are the guys Meltzer praises, the guys who kerp getting four and five star ratings etc. And it's easy to see who these "inside sources" have issues with, because those are the people who Meltzer keeps trying to bury.
I don’t know much about him stealing an idea, but most of wrestling is built on replaying storylines. Look at the Montreal screw job. Look at trick Williams and that other guy doing the Marty Jannetty and hbk! So even if there’s some truth to it, it doesn’t matter, but I’m sure there’s not! Nobody was paying attention to Japan in the nine days except for Japan
I am always Team Eric but didn’t he said that he come up with the idea of the NWO when watching NJPW? It’s documented on the Monday Night Wars documentary.
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Bischoff is right, the first time a “Meltzer influenced” booker has done anything, he is crapping the bed. Meltzer’s idea of pro wrestling is trash.
aint that true!
Why did atm eric reach out to meltzer when he was setting up a company after wcw? Why indeed?
Dave was trying to bury Eric but explained how AEW works instead 😂😂
Did AEW hurt your vagina? Poor little baby.
😂😂😂😂 damn
I'd believe Dave before ninja star wars 😂😅
It’s just programmed for him to randomly talk about aew
Backfire 😂
Don't hold back, Eric. Tell us how you really feel.
Am I listening to Cornette or bischoff? Love them both
When everyone agrees, you know they’re on to something.
"This is not a business that is easily understood by outsiders" Coming from Unka Dave is HILARIOUS 😂😂😂
Dave Meltzer has never kissed a girl.
Probably right haha
Think he was married but never the less I enjoy the sentiment 😆
@@deathmetalmadness4642probably to a dude
@@danowarhealy6890 Haha love it, I found that out on the Cornette drive through, huge feud for the past few years, The Dynamic Dude Vs wee Jimmy, Ostrich Vs Max, flips Vs story telling, it's a battle for the ages mate 😂
@@deathmetalmadness4642 it is more interesting than anything wrestling has done since 2001.
Bischoff used the same concept (invasion/inter promotional feud between two rival companies/factions) as NJPW vs. UWFI but that's where the similarities end. Not sure how that is stealing. However nWo was vastly different in presentation and execution to NJPW vs. UWFI plus did things that were ground breaking and revolutionary. The reality is NJPW copied WCW's nWo aka nWo japan. I could be wrong think NJPW may have even paid WCW for the rights to use the nWo trademark and sell merch. nWo got over huge in Japan also.
WCW and NJPW had a working relationship throughout the 90s, and even put on at least one joint PPV from the Tokyo Egg Dome IIRC
It’s that at the end of the day there are no original ideas, it’s wrestling. It’s been around for over 100 years. Everyone borrows from each other, goes back and puts their spin on it.
Not to make this an attack on Tony Khan but all his ideas aren’t exactly original either. The difference is he hasn’t figured out a way to put a spin on it that resonates with masses the way the NWO did. You just said it, the NWO didn’t just help raise the interest of the business in America but worldwide and across 2 companies. The idea of an invading company isn’t new and New Japan didn’t invent it either. For a man who proclaims himself a historian Dave should know that.
The bigger picture was that WCW versus the NWO was faction versus faction. That was hardly a new idea. The earliest example of this that I can find in wrestling was (wait for it) The People's Army versus Big Bad John's Army in the Australian version of World Championship Wrestling (the feud taking place in the early '70s).
Guess who was the head of that promotion?
Mah boy, mah boy! The promoter was Jim Barnett.
Now guess where Barnett was working in 1996?
Mah boy, mah boy! Barnett was working for the American version of World Championship Wrestling.
When I say faction versus faction, I don't just mean a faction of three or four against another faction of three or four. The People's Army versus Big Bad John's Army was almost like the promotion had been split in two.
A lot of folks take credit for the WCW vs NWO angle, yet I never heard Barnett speak about it. For all we know, Barnett could've casually mentioned the idea to someone else in WCW, and others ran with it.
Are you quoting OSW?
He also took influence from Riki Choshu's invasion of AJPW, apparently.
What’s funny to me is how just 3-5 years ago the comments would be full of Meltzer fans saying how dumb Bischoff is and how little he knows about running a wrestling company
Meltzer being an idiot doesn't make Bischoff any less of a cowardly fraud.
And how is that not a fact? He ran WCW into the ground, a promotion backed by a billionaire, owned by a TV Business and yet, what did Bischoff accomplish? 9 million lost in 1995, 9,7 million lost in 1999, nearly 64 million dollars lost in 2000 and despite live TV, PPV, Hogan and tons of other big names, out of 6 years running the promotion he had success for barely 1 1/2 years, in between, what were his ideas? Battlebowl? One of the lowest drawing PPVs ever? Kiss and the stupid demon? Making the karate teacher of his son a wrestler? Ripping off Mortal Kombat, when that franchise was dead and buried?
Then he did the Ringrats stuff and it doesn't even start because he screwed up.
Then he went to TNA and once he, Russo and Hogan took over, the ratings crashed and crumbled until Impact drew a record low of 0.5
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nw I had a reply that covered most of your points and agreed with some but I erased half of it and am not wanting to retype it all. Some of the things you’re pointing out aren’t on Bischoff. Especially about wcw shutting down. AOL didn’t want wrestling under their banner so they kicked Ted out and started restricting funding and limiting what wcw could do
@@theconductor20 Stop reading Death of WCW and arrive in the real world.
1. Yes, the sale of WCW was orchestrated by Brad Siegel (Time Warner, not AOL) and Sty Snyder (Turner) in a basically illegal inside deal, we know that since Bob Ryder's interview in 2001.
BUT
2. doesn't change the fact that:
- Bischoff had everything on a gold plate, not even a siler platter, a gold plate. He got live TV because Ted said so. He got Hogan. He got Savage. He got Nash. He got Hall. He gave ridiculous contracts to everybody, because he had no business sense (and never forget the insane story of Fake Diese and Razor leading to Hall and Nash getting more money because Bischoff was so dumb to believe they jumped ship - despite valid contracts)
- He wasted money on the most idiotic, absurd, retarded things that ever happened in wrestling. Road Wild. PPV on a Beach, Kiss, Megadeth, Glacier and his stupid expensive entrance. The guy had, again, no business sense whatsoever. He doesn't know how to control finances. He said so himself, he constantly shifted finances from one year to another, he said so on the podcast. We're talking about somebody who doesn't even know what EBITDA is!
- he fired all the future superstars, that has been talked to death
- he insisted on driving the one idea that worked into the ground, because had nothing else to offer. creatively he was as bankrupt as he was financially in 1992 and 2017.
It's amazing how Meltzer, and the WWE narrative turned Bischoff from what he was: Ultimately a failure with 5 minutes of success, into this "god", the whole "he nearly drove the WWF into bankruptcy" claim is just absurd. The WWF was still doing bigger numbers attendance wise and unlike Eric, Vince understood how important foreign markets were. While Eric won the ratings war of 1 show, the WWF was operating worldwide, making a ton of money in Camada. Europe, India and other places.
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nw I can see you’re passionate about this and I’m too sick to keep this up. I’ve heard the pay raise story was false but who knows. I do know I’d hire Bischoff over TK 101 times out of 100
Over the years Dave has gone from a somewhat coherent writer, as demonstrated here, (lies, truth, or not, doesn't matter) to now nearly everything Dave writes is this: "I've heard there is a plan, 100% a plan, but what that plan is, is still up in the air." Or: "It is going to happen, when, not sure. But, even if it doesn't happen, there is a possibility it might happen. No one knows what, but something definitely could happen. Or not."
Yeah it’s why I can’t listen to him talk. He has no respect for his audiences time. I’ve seen entire 10 minute ramblings from him that summarise as “x attendance figures were low, but that was down to them having to chance venue at a few days notice”
Yeah. And he's go to line is if something doesn't happen: Well, um, they must, um, have changed their minds. How he still gets people to pay for his crap is beyond me even when everyone starting to call him out on his BS on videos more.
@@blackraven85_1plans changed M@rk
@@blackraven85_1Smarks really do like Uncle Dave
He was never a coherent writer. I subscribed to the Observer in the early 90s but after about two years I couldn’t take his terrible writing anymore. Compared to Wade Keller he was a total amateur and a straight bad writer. But he has done totally off the rails in recent years. He’s a total loon.
Dave’s talent is the ability to consistently make others speak his name
The anti Will Smith
Dave has a rare ability or rare talent or however you want to put it to bring enemies together because they all hate his guts.
When Bischoff Vince Russo and Jim cornette who otherwise can't stand the sight of one another agree that Dave is a piece of shit and they say the same exact things about him, that's once in a lifetime😂😂
At least when you speak Uncle Dave's name he doesn't appear. I DONT believe in Dave Meltzer
Well said, so true!
@@saicharand7765 Who?
Conrad is constantly crushed by EB. SO funny!
😂😂😂an I love every bit of it!!! Lol
hahahaha conrad deeply upset his rumour and innuendo mill got belittled.
Everything Eric said about Dave says a lot about Conrad. Enough said.
You guys, I'm starting to think Eric doesn't care for Dave Melzter.
Meltzer lives rent free in bischofs head.
@@tonyclifton2230Bischoff lives rent free in your head. You can say this about EVERYBODY 🤦♂️
@polsdofer nonsense. The idea is when someone is obsessed like one atm eric is you can use it. You can't say he lives rent free in conrad thompsons head.
@@tonyclifton2230Sure, but if a guy is falsely attacking you for almost three decades now, you can't blame him for being this mad at the guy, can you?
@jamirimaj6880 heveas hanging out with meltzer 20 years ago when he was thinking of buying wcw. He is bitter because meltzer was negative on him going to tna.
I would call Meltzer a clown but that's an insult to clowns
What did he say that was wrong about atm eric. He stole the foreign company coming into another company angle from Japan.
Yup, Dave is way worse than Pennywise lol.
Actual clowns are so talented and are really nice and dignified people, they treat kids and their audience so good. Far from being a lying, propagandist tool. So yeah, actual clowns should be insulted being compared to Uncle Dave.
Cornette and Bischoff United in Meltzers bs
I believe Russo as well lol
Toss Prichard in there at the top of the list. Cornette is my guy but he was friends w Meltzer up until AEW.
@@ryangibbs6786 this could turn into a real feud as big as Cornette and Russo's lifelong enmity 🤣
only Dave Meltzer and AEW can unify the Big Three (who hate each other) in mutual hatred
I was just about to say this is the only thing they mutually agree on 😂
We're dealing with the same man who thought Shibata got his brain removed and thought a clip of Triple H and the Rock in 2015 was a backstage segment for Wrestlemania 40 🤣
that shibata story is still one of the craziest things i’ve heard from him 😂 like you’re telling me they took this man’s whole brain out?
@@iamthurnis745 either those doctors were _that good_ or Dave Meltzer was lying 😂
.... look honestly I believe hhh and rock were putting out that face off JUST IN CASE there would be a time down the line where they could use it to build to a fued. Not saying it was planned at all but just putting the visual out there.
Just like how batista was throwing little things here and there for years about hhh if Dave was able to have his final match which did happen.
@@devilwarr1orThat's not what meltzer said happened
@Bls-of1ld well what did he say exactly? I haven't heard what he said, I have seen the staredown with hhh and rock so I put 2 and 2 together but happy to hear what he said specifically to change my view.
Conrad looks like he's on the verge of tears OMG😂😂😂
Why are you saying that?
@@jonathandrewstefancin5924 because he can't stand it when somebody tells the truth about Tony or Dave
Lol just moves on after that Meltzer rant.
@jonathandrewstefancin5924 I think it has something to do with him being a fan of Meltzer. On the Something to Wrestle with podcast, Bruce Prichard is known for not liking Dave Meltzer, whereas Conrad Thompson usually defends him.
@@lancethefilmguy9392It's always funny when he is talking to a person that was actually involved in something like Eric, Bruce, etc...Conrad always goes "In the Observer, it was quoted as saying" like it's the gospel. Someone that was involved, he disagrees with them because the Observer said something else lol
Love listening to Eric's take on things. I just wish he had a better cohost.
The cohost would have to be impartial to be any good, that’s why Conrad isn’t good. He will defend aew til the end of time.
The real challenge is trying to sit through a Dave Meltzer show and understand what he's saying
The fact you even try says enough about you
the rocking back and forth is killing me. go audio only for conrad.
Oh thanks, I've never noticed that now all I do is watch him. rock
@@jonathanchurchouselmao sorry brotha
Meltzer should take that "firing Hogan and Nash" advise to Tony Khlown and tell him to release: The Young Bucks, Adam Page, Jack Perry and Orange Cassidy
5 of the most average looking Vanilla wrestlers ever. They would never be anything in the big time. Never! 😂
100% CORRECT, sir.
Advice
Bischoff has upgraded to +1 Cornette 😂
😂😂😂
Couch potato Dave Meltzer is the worst person to get any wrestling information from .
Meltzer is ripped
@@eoinoconnor8996you're a daily subscription wrestling observer. 🤡
Except maybe stats and dates. The problem though is his aspergers means the delusional biases he has are going to be incredibly repetitious.
SRS says hi
In all fairness here, Meltzer is referring to the storyline in NJPW of the young blood against the old guard which Bischoff has stated numerous times that was his inspiration for the nWo.
Whether he "stole" the idea or did like every creative person does which is take elements from things you perceive in life and mix them up with ideas from your imagination to amalgamate them into a solid concept is kind of splitting hairs. Every thing you see creatively was _inspired_ by something that has already happened. The nWo wasn't a "copy" of the NJPW angle anymore than D-Generation X was a "copy" of the nWo. They all shared a common theme which was "upset the established order," but had very different paths to get there.
Ironically, D-Generation X was the only one that succeeded as they run WWE now. 🤣
What we need is wise choices with Bischoff and Cornette. Topic. Meltzer.
Oh lord lol. A R-rated segment for sure lol
Eric admitted he took the invasion storyline from Japan years ago and multiple times.
Yep! You can tell Conrad just decided to let it drop.
I was gonna say this actually. It's was a NJPW idea wasn't it? The exact storyline of the NWO wasn't stolen, but the idea behind it was an inspired from there.
Eric didnt watch it and take the idea someone came to him with the idea.
@@L1am21 Okay so he didn't come up with it himself ....but the idea is still from NJPW. He was inspired by proxy? Better?
Yep. On Talk is Jericho he literally said he was in Japan watching and studying their product and interpromotion wars.
Anytime i watch a wrestling news video on RUclips and they go "Meltzer said" i just laugh. Unless its something from AEW he "reports" its pure bullshit. With AEW we know he lives under Tony's desk.
Foley said that Bischoff did bullshit his way into his position. Eric realized that Ted Turner loved Ric Flair, so any time Turner was present and someone mentioned an idea, Eric would look at Ted and say "what would Ric think of that?" Eric was not qualified for the position when he got it.
Here's a question: how else do you acquire a job with a company? You talk your way into it. Isn't that how it's done? The squeaky wheel gets the oil.
(Or you can just nail your employer's daughter.)
Face it: wrestling is a business full of carnies, hucksters, con men and charlatans. You're expecting Eric Bischoff to ask for a position in the same way that a Girl Scout sells cookies?
I've said it elsewhere: Eric is full of crap, yet he knew what industry he was in. He knew that he had to be loud and persistent to obtain the position he wanted. If that meant he had to spread some bull manure, so be it.
A *lot* of people use varying degrees of horse dung in their job interviews. It's not as if Eric Bischoff just walked off the street and became the Executive Vice President of Operations. He was *working* for WCW at the time. Additionally, he'd worked for the AWA.
The world is *teeming* with people who are dreadfully unqualified for their positions. If Bischoff wasn't qualified for his post, well, he was hardly the first person in history to fit that description.
You just described how wrestling works as a whole.. Pertaining to the guys behind the scenes.
@@markv1274 - how about competence? Christfuck, try thinking. Would you rather have a boss that actually knows his job or a boss who just got the position because he rammed his nose up the owner's ass?
Yeah, Eric had a job with the company, but it wasn't anything that had a track to the position he ended up with.
Conrad looks so sad and disappointed when EB goes into uncle dave 😂
Eric will no longer be saving with Conrad 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, I kind of wish Eric would have gone forward with that other show with Bully Ray as the co-host every week instead of just a guest. They had more chemistry than Conrad and Eric do nowadays.
Eric is gonna give him self a stroke over Tony and Dave 😂
Wait…. Didn’t Bischoff admit to the nWo being inspired by that new Japan invasion storyline?
It was but Meltzer repeating something that was said makes it untrue
As far as I remember, back then it wasn't just Meltzer I heard this from but a couple small wrestling shows and podcasts. People say what happened in Japan "Inspired" Eric for the NWO. Meltzer says the word "Copied" and that triggers him.
I don't know anyone actually in the Wrestling business that takes Dave Meltzer seriously, yet basically every "wrestling news" channel quotes him and acts like he is an authority on wrestling. IDK how many times I have heard "According to Dave Meltzer" on a wrestling news channel, but when actual people in the industry talk about him it is never to say anything good about him.
May as well quote an apter mag article
@josephrichard9393Not surprising. Conrad confirmed from Rock’s camp that he was the one feeding all the backstage drama from WM40 to Dave too.
@josephrichard9393 he is just guessing. No one is leaking him anything. He is wrong quite a lot and his star rating system is garbage, some of the best matches, with the most story told in the matches, are rated low. And some of the most boring matches ever are rated high.
He doesn't have a single 5 star match for WWE in the entire attitude era, his first one was in like 2011 or something.
Does Eric have CTE? up until this point I recall Eric admitting to be influenced by whatever was going on in Japan at the time. Lol Conrad didn't even challenge him on it
Conrad was hungry and out of energy to argue the point.
He 100% got the idea from NJPW v UWFI in 1996. He was at the fucking show. Also he complete mischaracterizes the Mcafee thing.
2:27 what we're all here for
there were scores of invasion angles that Bish probably borrowed ideas from that ultimately led to the nWo's creation. But the All Japan angle Meltzer cited looked nothing like the NWO.
"Tell me exactly what idea I stole from Japan" wtf. Bischoff SAID HIMSELF he stole the nWo idea from Japan. Foh.
Yup. NWFi invading NJPW
Meltzer did A LOT of heavy lifting for WWF in the 90s.
Eric you are the Shawn Michaels of this tag team... time to dump Jennety
The Conrad podcasts all follow this same tired playbook. Twist Meltzer’s words and rip him despite the fact that both Bruce and Bischoff regularly talked to him in the 90s. It’s tedious.
Found the aew mark.
and yet you appear to listen to all of them
@@sytharnia1717 Or, and hear me out here, this RUclips clip popped up on my feed and I watched. Yeah, that seems plausible. Haven’t actually listened to one of the pods since 2019 or so.
@@TheSteamer2k11 so you haven't listen in 5 years and you think you know how all his podcasts go? .. ok then
@@sytharnia1717 Yes. I listened to the Prichard pods where it was constant FDM and Bischoff got right on that train. It’s carny nonsense.
At this point, Meltzer needs AEW to exist in order for himself to stay in business.
Not even just that, but he needs AEW to exist so he can live the life he always wanted to through Tony Khan. It’s pathetic.
Dave Meltzer replied to this "You know, its like, something bububut you know, I think, its just one of those things that *chomps peanuts unprofessionally* something is about yyoyoyoyoyou know?"
Meltzer is 200% correct here and the protest from Eric is further proof
i don't understand why anyone would care what meltzer says, he's a joke
Because he's been an industry historian and tastemaker for 40 years
@@duckmercy11 anyone stupid enough to compare AEW matches to the classic matches a flair in steamboat is a moron
@@duckmercy11 Actually nearly 50 years.
1:13 he was honest about Eric turning the company around & the revenue increase
He claims that this business is hard to understand for outsiders, but then why is WWE having the best years in their existence ever since Nick Khan (an outsider) got his hands on the company? Wrestling is business is just like any other. You put on a good show, people will be drawn to it and pour money into it. Keep that going for a while and more money will come. It's that simple.
At least Eric did not get mad or take this personal LOL
Eric giving Conrad and Brucey a shout out for inventing the shoot podcast is really gonna make Sean Oliver happy!
Im starting to think Conrad secretly loathes Meltzer, cause why else would he be serving him up on a platter for Bischoff to absolutely crush?
The biggest problem with Dave is that he tries to put himself on the same level as people who are managing or who have managed a promotion….its one thing to report, but Dave puts his opinion out there like it’s the end all, be all and that it’s superior when he’s never booked a show in his life.
Dude is also a boring, tomato can of a “reporter”.
First time seeing Conrad not defending AEW, and Dave when Eric is verbally bashing them lol.
Per wikipedia
The nWo storyline was an idea created by WCW Executive Vice President Eric Bischoff, whose inspiration for the angle came after attending New Japan Pro-Wrestling's Battle Formation show at the Tokyo Dome on April 29, 1996.[citation needed] The show was headlined by a NJPW vs. UWFi match for the IWGP Heavyweight Championship, as New Japan's Shinya Hashimoto defeated UWFi's Nobuhiko Takada. Bischoff wanted to do an invasion-type angle where World Championship Wrestling (WCW) was being sabotaged by another wrestling group, initially insinuated as being the World Wrestling Federation (WWF), since the nWo's founding members had previously wrestled for the company.
I would argue Dave was someright right, although I wouldn't call it "stealing", more like getting the idea from New Japan and putting his own spin on it
"Wikipedia" 😅😂😅
It's extremely likely that Meltzer himself edited that for Wikipedia.
@@markv1274 Not that I ever watched New Japan, but i seen many people in the 90s mentioned how New Japan had a smilar angle on message boards so I doubt he made that up
If WWE really wants to make next year's Wrestlemania pop they need to book what I would call a "Blood Feud Tournament". Bracket 1 would be Vince Russo vs Dave Meltzer. Bracket 2 would be Jim Cornette vs Eric Bischoff. The matches would all be under the "first blood" stipulation. This will never be offered but, if it were, how would you feel about that eZe E?
That would work...is more than one percent of WWE fans knew of Russo and Meltzer.
@@markv1274 - I get where you're coming from markv but that's what vignettes are for. Clips from past events and interviews from all four would fix that quickly. It'd be fun and I bet Eric would love it. Even better if they had a special guest ref who hates all 4 guys.
Meltzer probably means the UWFi vs. New Japan angle and apparently Bish attended some of the events in Japan. Judging by his reaction, I think Meltzer struck a nerve lol.
Eric B and 99.7% of Americans at the time didn’t watch NJPW so how did he steal from them. AEW can’t avg over 700k viewers but Meltzer still gives it 5 stars. Trash
I stopped paying attention to Meltzer when he gave so much praise to the Young Bucks - wrestlers who, 20 years ago, would have jobbed to the Gambler on WCW Pro.
Why do women always have to bring AEW into it. You guys are no better than Meltzer himself.
@@znsbj38Because Meltzer's AEW bias proves he has no credibility. Which was the OP's point or did you miss that? Most of us who were familiar with him already knew that, but it was much harder to prove before AEW. It goes hand in hand when speaking to Meltzer's lack of objectivity and credibility.
@@sonofsarek everybody should’ve stopped paying attention to Meltzer when ranked Omega and The Bucks matches higher than Steamboat, Flair and The Steiners
He was literally in Japan at the show trying to build a wcw partnership lol. Clearly you weren't watch wcw at the time.
I'd ask Dave on X, but he blocked me for asking how, if MJF coming back after being advertised ad nauseum didn't move the ratings back above 800K, it would impact the TV deal. Pussy.
Anyone else noticed how Eric’s hate for Meltzer has publicly surpassed Cornettes lately
Meltzer is good for exactly one thing... highly entertaining and informative rebuttals from fine folks like Eric, Cornette, etc.
eZe is fired up! And might I add pure gold here.
It's obvious that the idea Eric stole was Bullet Club.
I don't get how meltzer is still around after Eric and Jimmy constantly burying him. Props!
Bishoff getting his ego stroke looking like Alejandro Sosa from Scarface when he's on the news being talked about
Come on Eric. Uncle Dave isn't lying. He was just misinformed. The janitor at the CNN Center gave him the wrong information. 🙃
I thought the nWo was from a Japan story line. If I’m not mistaken it was mentioned by eric. Oh wait. Maybe I read it years ago from Dave. Okay night be my mistake. I thought I read it on your book.
Its was the ninja stars eric 😅😅na eric did alot for wcw respect
Eric Bischoff dropping 100 points on Dave Meltzer anytime he talks about him.
Dave these comes of like the relative that lives his dream through a child that halfway Made it and now does everything to make sure everybody loves what the child does, because it's really what he Always wanted to do
That's ridiculous to say Eric stole the idea for the nWo from Japan. The idea is something a ten year old could come up with. It's so basic and obvious. And that's not an insult to Eric. I say that because he made the right moves, hiring the right people at the right time and this organically grown angle came about. It was the obvious thing to do. He didn't need to steal ideas from Japan. His implementation is the difference. There's a reason people still talk about the nWo all of these years later but no one even knows the name of the faction in Japan he supposedly stole the idea from.
the UWF invasion never seemed like much to copy. I think some people still hear that Bischoff stole the idea from NJPW, then show pictures of nWo Japan, that happened after the nWo started in WCW because even they're mistaken on the topic.
it might have taken a cue or inspiration, but there was nothing to build off of besides "wrestlers invade other promotion". nWo was only the guise of an invasion anyway. WWF and WCW werent working together. Id say how it played out was more uniquely clever than the UWF invasion and NJPW ended up profiting off of it 2 fold because they inherited the branding and talent trading from WCW, helping them as well and growing their audeince from the America side.
Tbf, didn’t Eric acknowledge the Japan stuff in one of the documentaries years ago?
Eric has said himself he took the idea.
Meltzer once again leaving truth at the door then twisting himself into a pretzel to put over Japanese Wrestling
Oh hell yes!!!!! Erik, you're a beast!
Eric
Maybe Conrad may want to use Wade Keller’s notes instead of Meltzer. Eric about to blow a fuse
Thank you E Z E ! 👍🏽
Why does anyone with a brain listen to Meltzer? He's a fan that gets 3rd, 4th hand intel and pretty much a historian of wrestling. Anything he says, if not based on history, is his opinion (dressed as facts). Conrad HAS to know Dave is just guessing and making sh*t up AT the point!
Who said any of his listeners have brains?
He's a dynamic dude no doubt, wish I was so young as Old brain melter, anyone seen him on that skateboard looking jubilant with his Young Fucks onesie with the fringe 😂
Eric Stole every idea he ever had he literally started his career on theft and stealing ideas 😂😂😂😂
No he didn't you don't know the real story
When he got the job with WCW he consulted with anyone and everyone because he was clueless about the wrestling industry.
While I agree 100% with Eric's analysis of Meltzer, wasn't the angle spoken of in Japan NJPW being invaded from a rival company???
Conrad and Dave have a falling out? Conrad is just setting Eric up to destroy Dave. As Conrad is normally should deep up everyones butt who is involved with AEW incluing AEW supporters, this clip makes you wonder if Conrad is finally trying to pull his head out or if he just needed to catch his breath before going back in.
Eric. Your the man
You’re
Calling Dave Meltzer a piece of shit would be an insult to shit
Let’s not forget, Tony Kahn has an open checkbook and has not come close to what Eazy-e has done.
bischoff is literally taking to the worst possible person to talk about this with fatrad deft has a meltzer statue in his closet
Isn't that exactly how aew works
Been watching wrestling since 1984. Before Nitro there was barely any Lucha wrestling at all in the united states. I know ECW was doing it but very few people saw it. Without Eric there is no Lucha boom in America and therefore is probably no aew at all. All those guys grew up watching the Lucas in WCW
I'm curious... Dave Meltzer talks about wrestling insiders like he's one. Has he worked in any wrestling company, or has he just criticized them?
He was hired by Vince for a short time.
We love you Eric. Thank you for telling the truth and thank you for the best years of wrestling of all time.
Bischoff telling the truth? Let's not get carried away!
He's back, and he's bettuh than evuh!
That guy looked so uncomfortable talking about AEW's downfall. "There's still something there". No, not really.
Thanks!
Can I have $10.00 or more?
I'll give you a cookie. It's magical.
Ha.
@@Am0ment0fB Create some worthwhile content that interests me and I'll think 🤔 about it.
Dave knows marks will believe anything I think he truly didn’t think all the lies he’s told would ever come back on him 😂
I need a war games match.. Bischoff Cornette and brian vs meltzer Alvarez and russo 😭
As Long As Jim Cornette Isn’t Biased Towards Eric Bischoff Or Falsely Wrongfully Accusing Him Of Anything.
Meltzer is/was the mouthpiece for wrestlers who just don't have "it".
People in the wrestling business who know that someone else in the company is better than them, goes running to Meltzer with some made-up bs story burying the person they know is better than they are. And Meltzer puts it out there as "fact". Then Alvarez, Scherer etc. repeat it.
It's easy to see who was feeding Meltzer these "inside scoops", because those are the guys Meltzer praises, the guys who kerp getting four and five star ratings etc.
And it's easy to see who these "inside sources" have issues with, because those are the people who Meltzer keeps trying to bury.
I don’t know much about him stealing an idea, but most of wrestling is built on replaying storylines. Look at the Montreal screw job. Look at trick Williams and that other guy doing the Marty Jannetty and hbk! So even if there’s some truth to it, it doesn’t matter, but I’m sure there’s not! Nobody was paying attention to Japan in the nine days except for Japan
Sounds to me like Meltzer is describing AEW
Seems to me like this metzah guy is VERY jealous of Eric.
I am always Team Eric but didn’t he said that he come up with the idea of the NWO when watching NJPW? It’s documented on the Monday Night Wars documentary.
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