AL SNOW vs. DAVE MELTZER!
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- Опубликовано: 15 мар 2024
- Al Snow responds to Dave Meltzer's recent tweets claiming that Snow is "ignorant" to the wrestling business!
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Imagine being a critic and saying "i hated that movie but im gonna give ot four stars" its absurd. Dave is absurd. Al has forgotten more about wrestling than dave has ever known
“Al has forgotten more about wrestling than Dave has ever know” so good!!!!!!
Al Snow is an actual wrestling expert unlike the incredibly deluded Meltzer.
Snow has been a wrestler, producer, trainer and I think also a booker across multiple promotions in his career.
"Expert" Meltzer can't even tell when he's commenting on a Triple H interview which is ten years old.
👏 well said
Indeedy.
Then why can't he make OVW relevant or even good? I watched an episode the other day and it was barely better than a backyard wrestling fed from 1998. Just bad.
@@duckmercy11 I live where OVW tapes and its consistently sold out week after week
@@zachary_attackery My condolences.
It's crazy the amount of wrestlers willing to break their bones and have repeated concussions just to win dave's approval.
It's what you do, when you got no talent, to do it correctly.
Ha.
Its because they think his approval will make them famous and that's pretty pathetic
For better or worse, those star ratings will give underneath guys some airspace in Khans head.
All for a golf clap they do a corkscrew shooting star headbutt through a burning glass table. All Hogan had to do was cup an ear and the roof would come off. Rock with the eyebrow raise. It's mad.
Ik keewee from wcw comes to mind . His injury in Finland smh and he barely got any money from wrestling
Dave 5 star Metlzer that never gave Kurt Angle a 5 star match
Kurt Angle never wrestled in Japan so... Fuck the Meltzer ratings, is all bullshit, and 5 star matches are boring.
So by Dave's hypocritical logic, Ultimate Warrior would have several 4 & 5 Star matches today. Good grief 🙄 lol 😂
I never understood why so many mark channels mention Dave's name and his star-ratings whenever they're doing a deep dive on an old event. He's certainly fooled a lot of people.
Diarrhea Dave Meltzer
"Ol' marble mouth Meltzer" works just fine, as a nickname. Ha.
Dave-Smelltzer💩💩💩
LOL DDM 😂
Gheylord Dave Meltzer!!!!
Diarrhe-er
Eddie Kingston has been given a five star match rating by Dave Meltzer.
Kurt Angle never has.
This is who people are risking life, limb, wellbeing, and credibility for.
4:46 That means he believes he is the ultimate impartial authority on wrestling critique & 100% bought into his own bs. "I'm so rational & impartial, that none of my critque comes from my biases" but that's literally impossible as a human being.
Narcissist are exempt from normal human capabilities just ask them
You KNEW Meltzer couldn't stay away! He's worse than the stray neighborhood cat!
He is that annoying neighbour that has constant surveillance on you every hour of the day.
@@flyingunpan50 Ned Flanders in living colour? 😆
Head is much more intelligent than Meltzer
A meaningless ''this is awesome'' chant or a standing ovation from 3000 nerds in a building that holds 18000 does not mean it is great storytelling or a great match, they are no different than a gameshow audience clapping when the sign lights up.
Al really cooked here
Two AEW wrestlers become paralyzed.
Meltzer: I give the match 10 stars.
I never thought the madman who wrestled a prostetic head would be the wisest ex wrestler of them all.
Al Snow is a legend
It takes a lot of skill to get over using a manquien, the manquien is more over than Darby Allin
@@pwx13 head used to put more butts in seats than AEW could dream of.
WHAT DOES EVERYBODY WANT? HEAD!
WHAT DOES DAVE MELTZER NEED?
FRIENDS
Truly one of the sharpest minds in the business.
He also once pinned a bottle of shampoo for the 3-count ('Head & Shoulders' brand) at KOTR 1998. Ferrara's first day with Russo.
He also wrestled himself lol.
As a musician, it’s similar to playing guitar. You might be able to play the most intricate solos from other people, and be the best shredder and play every yngwie malmsteen song, but can you write a song or a hook that people want to listen to? Can you start small and slowly progress to that big ending, that big payoff that keeps the listener engaged? Or are you just doing a 3 minute shred fest? It’s cool and all, it takes talent and a lot of hard work, im not saying it’s easy. But at some point it’s like ok well there’s no substance, nothing to grasp onto. And yes, I know there’s a market for that, again I’m not saying that won’t get you anywhere, but there is a cap on how far you’ll go as far as audience reach. If you’re ok with that then more power to you, but don’t think you can be the next Beatles just because you can play a minor pentatonic scale faster than everybody else. Just my opinion.
What I don't understand is why they do these dangerous moves when no one remembers them a month after there done.
And Darby just broke his foot, what's Dave's excuse now?
I never understood why fans and wrestlers care about what this superfan thinks?
What I got from this segment, not only did Meltzer go to clown school, but his brother actually graduated from it with a specialty in professional juggling.
If you're in the wrestling business for anything other than money, you're a fool. - Bobby Heenan, quoting Gorilla Monsoon.
Melzer's tweets are now just nonsensical gibberish.
This video was great 😂
Al makes a great point about talent wanting Dave's approval. A lot of talent would rather get approval from Dave than the guy who writes their checks.
"Yeah i love to go to restaurants and eat food that i dont like, AT ALL"
Al Snow is a fuckin legend for that line in itself LMAO
One thing definitely isn't better today than in the past. That would be wrestling journalism.
Ha.
It's basically the lowest point "journalism" one can sink to.
@@jamessunderland7435 I don't know. You ever watch Fox news?
Ha.
@@Am0ment0fBDon't forget CNN & ABC
Or journalism in general.
@@Ziomaletto yeah, but at least, they offer facts sometimes.
Ha.
Meltzer, I used to respect you as a fellow fan, however in recent years you reflect the attitude of modern flaky wrestlers who wrestle for each other ,and not necessarily the fans.
He's a good historian or encyclopedia for wrestling and people would not have a problem with him if he only did that
But when he starts to say how wrestlers should move in the ring or what type of promos are good thats when everyone has a problem
Dude never worked in a promotion or work with wrestlers to say how wrestling should work
Are you talking to Meltzer in Russo's comment section?
Moron meth head meltzer hasn’t been normal since the early 2000s. Now he’s lost in nonsense due to drug abuse and butt kissing
@@owdeezstrauzHe cut a good promo.
He was always bad.
Remember when he trashed highest rated segment in history of wrestling?
Meltzer was, is, and will always be a clown-shoe.
Dave put your money where your mouth is and stop giving high ratings to matches with dangerous botchy moves. They're only doing it because it impresses you so you have a responsibility to use your platform to protect the people and also the wrestling business (which will suffer greatly if someone breaks their neck).
There is no reason to jump off the top of a cage. Wrestling needs to move away from buckaroo banzai indy break your neck crap. It really should be rare and only within the story, not because you can. Thanks Cactus.
when meltzer was the wrestlers age back in the day they laughed at him his peers had zero respect for him.
Al Snow is great. Big fan.
Thank you Al for standing up for the safety of your fellow wrestlers. The hardest thing about being a fan is seeing the terrible price wrestlers pay for being a performer. I want today's wrestlers to be able to have high quality of life into their golden years. Not trashed at 35 and hardly able to walk when they're in their fifties.
All that matters is rope work and turnbuckle work and also ring entrance work
Does Dave like ring entrance work?! I thought it was all about the flips and the flops with him; he hates theatrics and stories.
@@nellsun2521 That's ridiculous, look at his Misawa/Kobashi ratings. They were the kings of storytelling and hardly flipped at all. Also, he's big into southern territory style, proto-MMA style (Volk Han, Takada, Zack Sabre Jr etc) as well as actual MMA.
@@duckmercy11 shut up mark meltzer is a weirdo loser who kisses the ass of wrestlers 3 decades younger than him 🤣
Don't forget florescent light bulbs work
Don't underestimate exploding barbed wire work
Al Snow has more class in his baby toenail clipping than Meltzer has in his whole body.
The current breed of wrestlers are great athlete indeed but hitting every move in a 15 minute match doesn't equals to great pro-wrestlers.
Meltzer's ratings are getting more and more ridiculous every week, his ", reports" and "scoops" are less and less accurate, he's proven to be biased, he's proven to bullshit his followers and gaslight them, he's a hypocrite and I think his influence now is at the same time greater and smaller than evet. Greater because the promoter and booker of the #2 promotion loves him and considers him a guru. Smaller because more and more fans think he's a clown.
Dave is a AEW MARK
Its all about the rope work, bro.
Al Snow made a great point when he said 'how can I go to a restaurant and not like the food and give it a 5 star rating"?.....Exactly.
A lot of wrestling fans are insecure people and don’t like developing their own opinion. That’s why they look to people like Dave to tell them what they should like or not. Rating matches in a show is kind of like rating scenes in movies.
3:48 Oh, so I guess taste in wrestling is now objective instead of subjective, and Dave just happens to be the arbiter of what's good or not? Makes sense to me. Maybe one day Dave will actually lay out how he mathematically comes to the objective conclusions he does. Does adding 3cm of height on a frog splash give it 0.03 stars more?
Well, we know some of his calculations.
Young Bucks and/or Omega Match: +3
Takes Place in Japan: +2
Is a WWE Match: -2
Takes place in AEW: +1
What’s funny is his star ratings are ALL about what he likes or not. Thats the whole premise of the star ratings! He acts like the rating is bigger than his opinion but it’s actually tied to his opinion.
"More crazy standing ovations (now) than at anytime" he says. Watch any modern wrestling show PPV or not and then watch just a regular Raw back in 98/99 and you'll see a massive difference. Everybody were on their feet and cheering like crazy. Now you can blame a lot of that on phones and stuff but still. Terrible take.
Al has earned the right - as a trainer, star in multiple promotions, wrestling historian and hardcore legend; to comment on whether AEW is allowing a style of wrestling that could get someone seriously hurt. Haters should instead be appreciative of the fact he's telling folks before it happens, so they don't end up making a life-changing mistake.
I would listen to Al over Dave without even thinking about it!
Useless trivia; he's also a gent! I bumped into Al in a bar in Cardiff, Wales years ago! He was with Animal. Road Dogg and The Cat from Red Dwarf himself, Mr. Danny John-Jules!
An odd group of people but all so bloody nice! Taking time to speak to people, posing for photos. They care about the fans 👍👍
Dave's star ratings are irrelevant to me. I actually don't like Matches with a bunch of crazy spots, and no selling. The do moves that would kill someone, and the guy gets right back up. It's actually chasing people away. It may keep the hardcore fan base, however it doesn't appeal to new people
Doesn't Al know 4 & 3/4 ⭐ is now reserved for a random women's match on Rampage?
Ha.
No, those still get 1-2 stars because Dave hates women.
Al is spot on.
Facts tho somebody will tho. Aew gotta change.
And remember 4 and 3 quarters stars is basically 5 stars according to Dave 🤣
I think the reason the wrestlers do it is this: they see Meltzer's review as the official history books of wrestling, because so many mark channels mention him, including very big ones like Conrad's.
Not just marks. Many guys in the biz from Bret, to Konnan to Jericho swear by Meltzer's expertise and/or the Observor as their sorta wrestling Bible..
You may want to check the list of wrestling podcats....Conrad doesn't have a podcast in the top 10. he's as pathetic as Dave is.
@@Kalbuir66 can you link this list
@@Kalbuir66 OK. But he and Prichard did used to get a lot of views on their VKM ass licking channel.
@@duckmercy11 Hard to imagine Bret taking phrases like "rope work" seriously.
I think if a filmmaker gets bad review but gets praised by Martin Scorsese, he would be happy.
But why indie wrestling community values Dave is beyond me.
Perhaps WE should vote on the ratings. Maybe then wrestlers will try to impress US.
Big difference between Professional & Performers
Dave said...in an interview...that taking "risks" was part of what makes a 5* match
I'm an Aew Fan and I'm am a realistic Aew hardcore fan. And real Fans call things that right & wrong! They don't simp for writers or The billionaire owners. Al snow makes sense.
( Even if the triple threat of Vince Russo, Eric bishoff and Jim Cornette... I'm not excluding Stevie Richards and Al snow he has no beef.. Both of Those guys live in reality
Al snow knows some things
I understand al and the danger of a move set but then why do these “moves” even exist they came to fruition for a reason
You ever bicycle ride to a house show?
HE'S GOT A BYCYCLE!
Al was cooking
The best matches are when someone gets dropped straight on their head and still manages to kick-out at 2 and a 1/2.
Idk how people say absurd things like Dave says and not realize how insane they sound.
Old age affects us all differently
Toy Federation is the store Foley signed at
Jeff is a fellow Mass Effect fan. Respect.
Keelah Selai
Meltzer speaks from all sides of his neck.....geez
is there a single wrestler or promoter other than people in AEW that respect Meltzer? I've never heard anyone say anything good about him
Jeff & Al have similar backgrounds ;)
Professional Wrestler vs Amateur Writer
3:04 Burnnnnnnnn 😂😂😂
I've never been able to wrap my mind around modern wrestling. I may be old(my first live event was Bruno vs Pedro at Shea) but I appreciate some of the flippy shit. When it is nothing but flippy and dangerous shit, I just can't get into it. I look at PRO WRESTLING from the mindset of an old school street fighter and I've never once climbed up on a car to do a 450 splash in the middle of a fight. When I hear and read guys like Reigns, etc do nothing but punch and kick and I'm like um yeah, that's what you do in a fight. I'm against WWE not allowing blood also, so it's not just the indy crap. I think they need blood in cage matches etc. I'll take the stories over the "great" in ring crap any day
dave meltzer and conrad thompson are the most insufferable aew marks on the planet
Al deserves 5 stars
7:00 Dave is sick. He's lost his mind.
Meltzer keeps giving us reasons not to listen to anything he says anymore yet here we are. why? just ignore that fool. make fun of him and move on.
Thank you al snow.I agree 💯
Darby's on the shelf now
1:44 melter and alvarez do proase the crazy moves
I really wish to learn the formula that gives stars if its not an opinion of certain MeltZar
100% said it.
Meltzer is in dire need of a receipt. This guy has gotten away with too much over the years. Disrespecting an actual veteran of the wrestling business who has done it all and seen it all is the final straw.....
Al roasted Dave pretty good. 😃
Can we please get Dave and the brand on the same show …
But does Dave Meltzer know what everybody wants? Nuff said. Al Snow in 4.
The silly thing about Darby Allen- he legitimately reaks his foot, but to write him off tv, they have guys "break" his ankle?!
Always respect the ones who made a living inside the ring they been there done that period
Darby Allin just broke his foot, he is not invincible.
he better think twice about that mountain or we might find out how just not invicible he really is.
Do ya know what all of us fans need? What would be the ultimate show that would do HUGE Numbers for all involved? A Russo, Snow, Meltzer, Sapp, Bishoff, Hausman, LaGreca, and maybe one or two more round table discussion and just let em all go at it and air out all their views and bullshit. Now that is something I'd pay to see. And so would a lot of other people. At least I think they would haha. I enjoy the ridiculous drama though.
Unbelievable
The point Meltzer brings up about not having to wrestle as many nights is sort of valid. But young wrestlers would benefit from more matches in their early career. Established wrestlers can demand more $ per date & work less but should try to have depth to their character & tell good stories, but they don't. So...
There's a radio show/podcast up here that gives 15 minutes at the start of their second hour every week to Uncle Dave and take every thing he says as gospel/ sacrosanct
I'd like to see a jeff vs bryan last debate, but maybe last is older so a little more experienced
Although it might be more athletic with all the flips and shit its totally unnecessary because i can’t remember and don’t even watch today because its terrible but can remember when i younger and “less better according to dave” and even when i watch it back its miles better
I have a disagree with Al, meltzer isn't a well informed fan. He doesn't know what he's looking at. He's just a mark.
LESS WE FORGET DAVE MELTZER TOLD PEOPLE FOR YEARS THAT WWE AND WCW WOULD CHANGE TV PLANS AT THE LAST MINUTE JUST TO UNDERMINE HIM!
the whole of the internet create headlines of meltzer including this channel lol
Leaf Cassidy seems really salty
What dose everybody want?
Is there some kind of a Platonic ideal of greatness that Dave is serving then? I don't see how you can say a great match is a great match it doesn't matter if I think its one or not - who is defining it as great? The person reviewing it!! Its such bullshit.
I’d bet on the fact it’s more likely for someone to get seriously hurt than not. But they all were shortbus riders to begin with anyway