Nice job! I raced the 2/3 and this course was a real struggle. Hard to show just how narrow it felt through these corners. I got dropped like 15 minutes in because I lined up too far back and didn't push my way up right away. Those 1000w+ efforts every lap through the final corner really destroy the legs! Appreciate the tips, just wish I had this video to watch before I lined up 🙃
Dipping into an old one. You mention keeping a relaxed grip on the bars. It's so important, and not just for racing. Gripping too tightly is one factor involved in speed wobbles. It's also a waste of energy.
My bike is clamped to a turbo trainer for the winter. It looks like a sad trapped animal in a zoo. I'm looking forward to riding around corners in the spring!
Try in out in ( as mountainbikers do) . In The Netherlands we ride many fast technical crits. As many of the crits have a length of only 1 or 1,5 km and on narrow roads I often corner in out in. leave a small gap on the rider in front of you. The advantages are thatyou block the rider behind you when you turn in.......than steer out and steer in which gives you the advantage to corner in a strate line which then gives you the chance to pass the rider in front of you on the following strate as. Do it without braking.....it works 😀
Great vid. This is my down fall, I can’t seem to find the confidence in the corner, I get dropped at every corner and have to close the gap and end up smoked and maybe mid pack finishes. I think if I could find the confidence I might have a shot.
when I was a new cat4 I lined up at the local training crit and a cat3 from my club lined up with us. I didn't know him- he had taken a break from racing and was just coming back. I introduced myself as we warmed up. Mid race he was up alongside me on the inside and signaled me to follow. I hopped on his wheel and we took off through the start/finish. As we came up on the first turn I noticed he was hugging the inside line, and I knew how this worked by now- he'd start inside and drift out, so I would swing outside before the corner so that I could dive under him in the corner and then take my pull coming out of the corner. So I swung wide on the approach, and he went [FWIP] right around the corner and never swung wide and suddenly I was 4 or 5 bike lengths off his wheel. That's when I knew there was a better way to get around a corner.
he'd start inside and drift out, so I would swing outside before the corner so that I could dive under him in the corner and then take my pull coming out of the corner. So I swung wide on the approach, and he went [FWIP] right around the corner and never swung wide and suddenly I was 4 or 5 bike lengths off his wheel. That's when I knew there was a better way to get around a corner.
Hi Jeff - another great vid. When letting those small gaps open as entering a corner, do you notice riders behind you taking advantage to slot up? I.e. putting in a dig to get up to you before entering the corner (thereby reducing you line choices) then filling the gap before you can close it back down? Maybe this is a function of the overall pace of the race, but as a Cat 4 I felt like I had to be glued to the wheel in front of me, including through corners, to avoid falling back by attrition. (I'm a 3 as a few days ago, woo hoo.) Thanks!
You left out a critical tip for faster cornering - drafting a good rider. It gets you through the corner safer and with less energy expenditure....and is an opportunity to accelerate out of the corner harder and overtake. For such a fast race, you needed to move up towards the end of the third last and beginning of second last lap, when the pace dropped. I was surprised with your experience, you didn't respond. Such a critical time in the race, and JRL!
@@NorCalCycling Thanks for the quick response, newbee question: how do you train or know your zones with a max heart rate that changes based on your freshness, or do you use power only?
power only. HR is not as good for training because it varies quite a bit by fatigue, and it's delayed with respect to the effort. Do a hard 20 second effort, power will match that effort, but your HR will have a big delay, for example.
You can use both to determine fitness, it's called hear rate drift. HR by itself is not very useful, but power by itself is very useful. hope that makes sense.
@@NorCalCycling Thanks, for the info... I did 1072 watts on a group ride, heart rate jumped to 172 which is above my calculated MHR. Just recently purchased and started using a Quarq crank power meter and its shown me a whole new era of training. Thanks for your insight..
Could you talk about your equipment some more? I'm wondering if the new generation of disc bikes will allow grippy 28mm tires to fit and give people an advantage in the corners. Thoughts?
Hey, love your videos and content. I'm just wondering what you meant at 13:20 when you referred to those two riders as "getting sketchy/pulling off/ they did their work"? Are you basically saying they were off the front at one point but couldn't maintain that energy to finish strong? I'm new to cycling and racing, thanks!
2 years late but in case someone else wonders: pretty sure he means people whose role in the team was to go as fast as they could a bit before the end and let their teammate draft behind them. So they will tire out 100% before the race is done, but set up their teammate to have a good finish. Sort of like a booster rocket for the team’s sprinter.
Nice finish, good honest review. You might consider cropping out a collection of _The Good, The Bad & The Ugly_ of certain aspects you want to highlight (e.g. cornering, passing, lead-outs). Even the best have an off-day, so hopefully no one takes offense.
those 600m on that corner i can tell you easily safely 53kph...you'd be on those wheels and you could be jumping good few wheels... anyway easier said than done with that hr, non the less nice video and good explanations!
I don't know man I have a feeling you could have moved up 10 places in the last lap if you didn't coast into those last corners and really pushed your front wheel into the inner line. Ok and maybe cause a crash and/or get a beating afterwards but given how experienced your competition is, a little body contact thru the corner would have been fine. Might be the European in me talking right now lol
I had built up confidence in the corners and then a friend and I simultaneously fell on a corner because it had rained and the road at that place was incredibly slippery. Now back to building up confidence.
WTH, riding with huge gaps between the wheels at 10 m distance of each other. Where are these newbies riding? Maybe should watch real amateurs how to do it
@@wktmeow a race Really here in Belgium 🇧🇪 that’s Will be the cat 5 ride most American claim there cat 1 or pro after ride with us get dropped first loop return witness there retail under the legs and probably quit racing
@@Jorgenssen-2020 blah blah same shit I've seen posted on every crit video. To quote your own words, do you really think anyone cares? Come here and prove how amazing you are, until then have fun talking trash I guess?
@@wktmeow look around our Belgium riders . Our worst rider can be best USA rider at this moment where USA cyc long doesn’t exit in world tour level There is over 300.000 riders cat 2 under 20 waiting for 1 opportunity of test ride with a pro team. Look like I nee to correct you to be a cat 1 means you already have a contract with a pro team other wise is amateur . But you’re rides are group ride by the way the Texas road house who won the event ask hem how he did up here ? Got dropped in the first 20 minutes
this old man likes to watch you race wish I was young again.
Bloke in second more excited than the guy in 1st. Great vid!
They're teammates. They both won.
Nice job! I raced the 2/3 and this course was a real struggle. Hard to show just how narrow it felt through these corners. I got dropped like 15 minutes in because I lined up too far back and didn't push my way up right away. Those 1000w+ efforts every lap through the final corner really destroy the legs! Appreciate the tips, just wish I had this video to watch before I lined up 🙃
Dipping into an old one. You mention keeping a relaxed grip on the bars.
It's so important, and not just for racing. Gripping too tightly is one factor involved in speed wobbles. It's also a waste of energy.
My bike is clamped to a turbo trainer for the winter. It looks like a sad trapped animal in a zoo. I'm looking forward to riding around corners in the spring!
Guess that didn’t work out
@@AbhijeetSingh-nm2ll lol
Those first internet bank guys are something else! Rode really well at national aswell
Ya, they are all strong.
Try in out in ( as mountainbikers do) . In The Netherlands we ride many fast technical crits. As many of the crits have a length of only 1 or 1,5 km and on narrow roads I often corner in out in. leave a small gap on the rider in front of you. The advantages are thatyou block the rider behind you when you turn in.......than steer out and steer in which gives you the advantage to corner in a strate line which then gives you the chance to pass the rider in front of you on the following strate as. Do it without braking.....it works 😀
Excellent tips Jeff! Great video and commentary as always
Nice one. Very helpful for when I start racing. Mind you I need to start soon as my 60th birthday is near.
NorCal, I've noticed at my local 4 corners cirt, I can pedal through each corner at 25mph, do you suggest doing so if I can?
Yes
Great video - very interesting & great commentary.
as always, Great Videos!
Thanks!
Great stuff as always
Screw that crash! I got shelled in those turns.
If you are trying to move up with 2 laps to go, your about 2 laps too late.
*you're
I raced my first crit last night, got dropped for lack of cornering skill just like you say hahaha, watching this for tips
Great vid. This is my down fall, I can’t seem to find the confidence in the corner, I get dropped at every corner and have to close the gap and end up smoked and maybe mid pack finishes. I think if I could find the confidence I might have a shot.
There are drills for that confidence. Talk to the old guys in your club and ask for some help.
when I was a new cat4 I lined up at the local training crit and a cat3 from my club lined up with us. I didn't know him- he had taken a break from racing and was just coming back. I introduced myself as we warmed up. Mid race he was up alongside me on the inside and signaled me to follow. I hopped on his wheel and we took off through the start/finish. As we came up on the first turn I noticed he was hugging the inside line, and I knew how this worked by now- he'd start inside and drift out, so I would swing outside before the corner so that I could dive under him in the corner and then take my pull coming out of the corner. So I swung wide on the approach, and he went [FWIP] right around the corner and never swung wide and suddenly I was 4 or 5 bike lengths off his wheel. That's when I knew there was a better way to get around a corner.
he'd start inside and drift out, so I would swing outside before the corner so that I could dive under him in the corner and then take my pull coming out of the corner. So I swung wide on the approach, and he went [FWIP] right around the corner and never swung wide and suddenly I was 4 or 5 bike lengths off his wheel. That's when I knew there was a better way to get around a corner.
Great effort and result. Gosh those guys are fast.
Man I love your content and I’m a mtb racer.
food for thought
Hi Jeff - another great vid. When letting those small gaps open as entering a corner, do you notice riders behind you taking advantage to slot up? I.e. putting in a dig to get up to you before entering the corner (thereby reducing you line choices) then filling the gap before you can close it back down? Maybe this is a function of the overall pace of the race, but as a Cat 4 I felt like I had to be glued to the wheel in front of me, including through corners, to avoid falling back by attrition. (I'm a 3 as a few days ago, woo hoo.) Thanks!
You left out a critical tip for faster cornering - drafting a good rider. It gets you through the corner safer and with less energy expenditure....and is an opportunity to accelerate out of the corner harder and overtake.
For such a fast race, you needed to move up towards the end of the third last and beginning of second last lap, when the pace dropped. I was surprised with your experience, you didn't respond. Such a critical time in the race, and JRL!
Great video and cornering analysis. What is your max heart rate? You hit 178bpm while doing 1100+ watts.
Max when I'm fresh is something like 185
@@NorCalCycling Thanks for the quick response, newbee question: how do you train or know your zones with a max heart rate that changes based on your freshness, or do you use power only?
power only. HR is not as good for training because it varies quite a bit by fatigue, and it's delayed with respect to the effort. Do a hard 20 second effort, power will match that effort, but your HR will have a big delay, for example.
You can use both to determine fitness, it's called hear rate drift. HR by itself is not very useful, but power by itself is very useful. hope that makes sense.
@@NorCalCycling Thanks, for the info... I did 1072 watts on a group ride, heart rate jumped to 172 which is above my calculated MHR. Just recently purchased and started using a Quarq crank power meter and its shown me a whole new era of training. Thanks for your insight..
Grear vid, thank you !
enjoyed this as usual.
Yeah I got popped in the 2/3s This race is basically a Tabatas workout with cornering sprinkled on top.
Amazing power numbers at the end of that though, that was crazy good.
tips start at 4:33
Could you talk about your equipment some more? I'm wondering if the new generation of disc bikes will allow grippy 28mm tires to fit and give people an advantage in the corners. Thoughts?
Keep up the great work
Thank you, these vids keep me motivated to get back on that bike
Very useful. Thanks a lot.
Looks like some awesome racing!
Hey, love your videos and content. I'm just wondering what you meant at 13:20 when you referred to those two riders as "getting sketchy/pulling off/ they did their work"? Are you basically saying they were off the front at one point but couldn't maintain that energy to finish strong? I'm new to cycling and racing, thanks!
2 years late but in case someone else wonders: pretty sure he means people whose role in the team was to go as fast as they could a bit before the end and let their teammate draft behind them. So they will tire out 100% before the race is done, but set up their teammate to have a good finish. Sort of like a booster rocket for the team’s sprinter.
Great vid. Why is there a racer with his jersey unzipped in a crit race?
What GoPro mount are you using? Love the footy and analysis, man! Keep it up!
When was this race?
Nice finish, good honest review.
You might consider cropping out a collection of _The Good, The Bad & The Ugly_ of certain aspects you want to highlight (e.g. cornering, passing, lead-outs). Even the best have an off-day, so hopefully no one takes offense.
@12:30 is that Dan Craven?
I'm a late comer to your videos but man I must say I so appreciate them. You've become my Bible to studying. I'm out in BK NY.
those 600m on that corner i can tell you easily safely 53kph...you'd be on those wheels and you could be jumping good few wheels... anyway easier said than done with that hr, non the less nice video and good explanations!
Great walk through and explanations.
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I don't know man I have a feeling you could have moved up 10 places in the last lap if you didn't coast into those last corners and really pushed your front wheel into the inner line. Ok and maybe cause a crash and/or get a beating afterwards but given how experienced your competition is, a little body contact thru the corner would have been fine. Might be the European in me talking right now lol
Plus, I have to admit: At that point, I wouldn't have had the legs to pull off what I just postulated...
I had built up confidence in the corners and then a friend and I simultaneously fell on a corner because it had rained and the road at that place was incredibly slippery. Now back to building up confidence.
why is this sped up
WTH, riding with huge gaps between the wheels at 10 m distance of each other.
Where are these newbies riding? Maybe should watch real amateurs how to do it
DUDE THIS GROUP RIDE IS 7 moths old news. Do you really think Any one care
It's a race. And I care, so that's at least 1 person.
@@wktmeow a race Really here in Belgium 🇧🇪 that’s Will be the cat 5 ride most American claim there cat 1 or pro after ride with us get dropped first loop return witness there retail under the legs and probably quit racing
@@Jorgenssen-2020 blah blah same shit I've seen posted on every crit video. To quote your own words, do you really think anyone cares? Come here and prove how amazing you are, until then have fun talking trash I guess?
I care
@@wktmeow look around our Belgium riders . Our worst rider can be best USA rider at this moment where USA cyc long doesn’t exit in world tour level There is over 300.000 riders cat 2 under 20 waiting for 1 opportunity of test ride with a pro team. Look like I nee to correct you to be a cat 1 means you already have a contract with a pro team other wise is amateur . But you’re rides are group ride by the way the Texas road house who won the event ask hem how he did up here ? Got dropped in the first 20 minutes