i'll see the new ak on armslist. i'll buy it. i'll strip it and install wood furniture. i'll throw the plastic shit in the bin. i'll turn around and sell it on armslist for a small profit. see you there.
TacticalLumberjack No, it's definitely not a Magpul mag. The mag laying on the ground beside Rob Ski is Magpul but the mag in the rifle at the 1:25 mark is Tapco junk.
I remember when there was only steel, bulgy and tapco mags. Never had a problem with them personally. Ive had other tapco junk but the mags ok, Its no bulgy mag tho.
I think most people see the AK as not needing anything because it was made to be a simple rifle and that's kind of it's claim to fame, rugged simplicity. On the other hand the AR is seen as a super tacticool rifle that needs all the mods you can chuck at it to be cool or "battlefield" worthy. I personally Like to make things to my taste not what the market or anyone else tries to dictate. For Instance I just built a nice pricey AR (my first AR) and I went with a quad rail and a flip to side mount for my magnifier even though they are not the in thing anymore and don't get me started on what I've done to some russian rifles. Why? because it's what I MYSELF wanted. Morle of the story do what you want with your things and if other people like your work great but if they don't just remember who you did the work for and go on your merry way knowing you love what you do.
TShirtCannon No it doesn't. Adding a handguard that deals better with heat and putting on an optic is not defeating any purpose! I hate the conservative thinking, stay open-minded!!!
I think that it really is determined by the intended role of the rifle. If you ever intended to use the rifle in a combat/defensive role, any rifle will need certain upgrades. Sights, for example, are a game changer.
TShirtCannon The AK is a Russian rifle, they invented it, they use it as their full time combat carbine and it's all they've use since the late 1940's, they know it better than anyone, and they add shit to it. They abandoned the old configuration years ago starting with replacing the wood with plastic' They also use optics, including Aimpoints.
TShirtCannon also, weight. the more metal you put on it, the more weight you have to drag around in a shtf scenario. my goto trifle is a mk.12 mod 1 and thats 10 pounds empty! sometimes a 7lb AK is a godsend
I wanted to keep my ak original. It was my first true build. A new stainless barrel and a bag of Bulgarian parts. I just couldn't use the original sights comfortably, so I added a small red dot. It helped my 50yd and 100yd accuracy, but I still get laughs at the range for adding optics to an ak. Last time it was a guy with an ar, fully modded, dumping mags at a silhouette set at 15yd.
I think it should be noted that the reason a lot of people do not like the idea of rail systems on AK patterned rifles is that a lot of AK patterned rifles that were imported are no longer available today. A good portion of AK variants have become collectors items because of their scarcity and lack of numbers. Even parts kits, like the maadi or Russian AK kits that got brought in disguised as Bulgarian. cutting an original barrel, or modifying a rifle that is limited is seen as a crime in the AK community, and that mindset might have leaked out of the collectors market into the regular consumer market. I don't see any problems when people change up their WASR or Npap rifles, or even their Bulgarian Arsenals. But I also think that a lot of the "tactical" accessories for the AK are very cheap and low quality, and the end user would have been better off in traditional configuration. Because many years ago, you could get AK rifles for $400, and it was considered the cheap gun, people didn't want to buy expensive accessories for the AK, so for years the AK "tactical" market was flooded in low quality cheap accessories that any person with good sense would realize was pure garbage. That market really helped pound the mindset of AK collectors and lovers that tactical accessories were pure garbage and better in the garbage than on your rifle. Today, that isn't as much the case as now the AK market has expanded enough to the point where there is a large array of high quality accessories for the AK that helps modernize the platform, but it's hard to kill a mindset that has been created from collectors and years of cheap low quality accessories that were prevalent on the AK market.
bfgmovies I have to agree with this. It's like the Garand rifles or any old rifle/pistol. Most people are going to see changes as sort of a bad thing. They would like to keep it for historical reasons. Even AR15 pattern rifles can get that sort of crowd especially with the retro parts. If you have a ar15 from the 70s, 80s or even 90s, chances are modifying it going to be a very bad idea even though you very well can. The way I see it is most custom built rifles that you assembled yourself with aftermarket products will probably not be usable or likable to others who want to purchase it.
bfgmovies I agree. I for one hate it when people "sporterize" Mosins, Enfields or Mauser originals. Do with the cheap knock offs whatever you like, but a gun that saw service in World War 2 and often beyond, that is a piece of history right there. It shouldn't be chopped off, painted pink or whatever.
I have a feeling that the reason for the desire to have the "traditional" look on the AK is because of the original design being wood and steel. The AR has always been a little more "modern" looking from the beginning with the aluminum and polymer, so putting modern equipment on it seems natural. People might feel that changing wood furniture on an AK is like putting polymer stocks on an M1 Garand. Just a thought.
I'm one of those weirdos who like completely stock and traditional AK's and AR's. I could care less about tacticool equipment weighing down my gun. At the end of the day it's how competent you are as a shooter that determines how effective your gun is.
conner stines I completely agree. I love the look of a traditional ak (even though I have never and will never own one in Canada) and if I had to carry a rifle in an area where I needed it the last thing I want is a bunch of doodads that break or fall off when I'm crawling through mud or whatnot. Don't get me wrong, the tactical stuff does enhance the ability to use the gun but as a personal preference I don't want it
If accessories were an issue the military wouldn't even utilize $5,000 ACOG scopes 3 to $5,000 in laser Optics it's called having back up sights which if you have a fixed front and a flip-up rear you good to go or to flip UPS you're good to go
Personally, I have traditional set up on my AK for a few reasons. One, it's a lot cheaper to keep the wood and save that money for feeding it. Two, being an American in America I don't need a "combat rifle" so it's partially because the wood looks better. And finally, I like to follow the principle of KISS, Keep It Simple, Stupid! The less crap I put on, the less likely it is for something to go wrong. And the best thing for accuracy isn't fancy sights or grips, its good fundementals. The fanciest, most expensive, top of the line crap you throw on won't fix being a bad shot. Just my personal opinion.
While the fundememtals are true, the principle does apply that you can't hit what you can't see, a prism optic or red dot absolutely is a force multiplier not only is is faster it also allows you to adequately see and range targets. Even Russians use optics. In this day and age irons are a back up. The AK even in 7.62 can be used fairly effectively out to around 500 yards with a good 3 or 4 power especially with acss. But with irons it can be done but it's extreme, and without a spotter to actually tell you where that target is it is virtually impossible with any set of irons because someone even in gray on a tree line that far is pretty much invisible. KISS isn't a bad principle overall but if it counted for everything then everything would be either black powder or swords, or rocks.
Most people on the internet are posers, the 'better than thou, holier than thou' bunch. What they purists ignorant about the fact that original AK47 is no longer in production and can only be found in museum or grandpa's basement, the AK they have ever seen is probably an AKM, an AK47 copy that is made by a by modern machinery in a modern factory run by a big capitalized organization. And yet they still act like as if their ak was hand made by Mikhail Kalashnikov and signed by Stalin. How they ever so insisting on the original look on a knock-off replica of the original makes me laughing my ass off, that big ego and that ignorance. In fact, they have even forgotten or hardly even know that the AK was originally designed for the purpose of MODERNIZATION. It was considered ahead of its time because of it's milled steel technology of that time instead of the regular wooden-body rifle. The purists thought they are following the tradition zealously but they are going against the original intent of Mikhail Kalashnikov for the AK in reality, which is to bring the rifle to modernization. Believe it or not, the people who told me not to customize my ak is also the same people who has a bunch of heavily customized 1911s in their collection. Seriously, who bred these idiots?
You're heated because someone doesn't wanna bubba their ak? You can do what you want to your own guns but some people like the wood furniture. You sound like one of those people that would take an sks and put a tapco on it. Go right ahead but not me
I had a stone age AK47 setup. I recently bought an RAS47 and immediately put on the magpul Zukov furniture to bring it into the modern age of ergonomics and modularity....and I freaking love it!!!!!!! Purists? I don't care what anyone thinks. It's mine. It works for me. I'm not a collector.
Most rifles that people are buying will never be collectors items. That's like buying a Hyundai and hoping it will be a collector car someday, it most likely wont. I went full Zhukov myself on one of my rifles and love it. It's perfect for the Saiga conversions.
mixflip I had a CTR stock on my AK. I had to take it off though. It kept pulling my beard and it was getting annoying as fuck. However, it is SO much better than the traditional fixed stock.
Immortalkalashnikov I have a CTR also, although no beard so no problems. I was thinking of a different stock due to the fact that I have a CMR 762AK 1-4x scope. It is better as it is slightly higher than the original stock.
I think it is due to the media factor, Seals and the military have the ar15 and they're all tricked out and people want that, it's American and they've been around for a while. I think people see ak's and they are not tricked out in the movies and they want it to stay like that, people buy the wooden stock ak's a lot of the time due to the novelty factor. Not to mention the accessory market for the ar.
the8jrfan have you seen any of the weapons of the Russian special forces (Or any 1st world country sf for that matter?). Zenit rails and collapsible stocks and eotechs x10000
the8jrfan "Not to mention the accessory market for the ar." Which in all honesty does not hold that much water anymore over the AK. If you were talking 10 years ago you would be right but nowadays the AK has its own quality rails, pistol grips, triggers, muzzle devices, and iron sights available to mount any accessory that one would fit to an AR. Plus the AK has more available in the buttstock department over the AR. The AR is stuck to something that will fit the buffer tube. The AK can use an AR buffer tube adapter to use AR stocks while also using many other buttstock options including folding stocks as well.
Excellent video. After 22 years in the Army and being and AR-15/M-16A2 guy I have now crossed over and I am a dedicated AK-74 owner/operator. It does everything I want it to do and the diminutive 5.45x39mm bullet is not to be underestimated. My bottom line is this: at 47 I can no longer easily focus in on the front sight because my eyes are no longer what they used to be. I chose to use a UTG 4.2" red dot for in close and also a UTG 3x magnifier on a Midwest Industries scope rail so I can see where to hit that hog at the feeder just below the ear hole. This is America by golly and because we are still the land of the free and the home of the brave it comes down to personal preference. If it works and you like it...go for it!
Konrad Ford Than chances are you aren't an AK purist, to be a full blooded slavaboo you must damn any and all weapons designed by Americans, John Moses Browning is basically your Satan and Eugene Stoner is your Hitler.
Hi mac,I have a 1984 polytech AKS with factory wood furniture and love it for its appearance and ministry and historical value.I have a 2002 Bushmaster TRUE ar 15a2 non detatachable carrying handle,and I Love that rifle for the same reason..keep up the great work SEMPER FI
The issue isn't the picatinny rails, adjustable buttstocks, optics, lasers, or any of the rest of it. The issue that draws criticism, is that a lot of the gear-do's don't spend much time at the range. I would bet my last dollar that a guy who runs 500 rounds a month through a plain rifle with only iron sights is more effective than a guy with a laser, light, and optic that shoots less than once a month.
I think a key point that you glossed over a bit is the quality of after market support for the AK. The meme picture shows comrade turning down a railed dust cover. Up until 5 years ago that was just about all you could get. That and poorly made tapco products. Magpul just released accessories for the ak. Things like the Ultimak, LINCH cover, RS regulate, Texas weapon systems, and a plethora of quality parts are now being produced but 5 years ago high quality AKs were still the domain of the dedicated builder. Who tirelessly strive to build faithful reproductions from parts kits. Give it a few more years of quality parts and I bet this meme types will be in the minority.
I don't know why but I do not like key mod mlock or any modern free float rail on either the ar or the ak,I think they look way to civilian for my taste.I like to keep my rifles resembling a service rifle.
Military Arms Channel it is if you are a historical collector like I am.I just prefare service weapons looks in a rifle.It is very apealing to me,to have a rifle that looks straight of the battle field.The new key mod free float rails just aren't my cup of tee.
luise cobian As I show in the video, there are plenty of service rifles with rails, red dots and polymer stocks. Perhaps you mean you prefer service rifles of a particular era?
Military Arms Channel yup I love the m16,with triangle handguardes or anything out of the vietnam era.That period for the m16 was so intresting with,local veterans having mixed opinions about the switch from the m14,to all the shorty m16 made for the snake eaters.I am one of the purist on the ar 15 nyet rifle is fine.
Having just come through an extremely cold January and February here in the great white north (never above freezing and quite a few days straight never above 0 F), I’ve learned to really appreciate iron sights again. Even quality electronic devices and batteries struggle after a few hours in these temperatures. Another interesting thing I was reminded of was just how bright everything seems with snow on the ground and just starlight (add even a half moon and visibility is near daylight). Shooting irons under these conditions is pretty easy. Having said all that, I do run lights, optics and slings on nearly every long gun I own. The AK seems less susceptible to the cold than the AR. Looser tolerances and heavier components don’t seem to seize up as easily. But choosing (and using) quality lubricants for any rifle platform makes a big difference in keeping moisture/condensation out of critical areas where it can cause all kinds of havoc in extreme cold. All else being equal, yes, I’ll take optics, lights, etc. But when it comes to a fighting/defensive rifle, reliability under adverse conditions trumps features every time.
I like the look of the new MK 107. Charging handle on both sides, M4 stock, flared magwell, rail along top of receiver. It is what the AK needed: a redesign that incorporates these features into an AK without awkward mods or heavy or chunky add-ons.
Military Arms Channel People don't mind customizing and modernizing an AR because even when it was developed, it had a 'wave of the future' plasticy space gun look to it. It reminded people of James Bond. Now the AK is like a good ol' country reliable. Sporterizing an AK is like sporterizing a Mosin Nagant. It strips away the original feel and look of it. Imagine an old 1953 Corvette and somebody modernizing that with big rims, thin tires, low suspension, and euro style headlights on it. Yeah, the car is technically improved, but it just looks and feels awful. That's what sporterizing the AK feels like.
DarkFilmDirector I have to disagree. Especially with the analogy you came up with. It's a bad analogy because there's been a 1963 Corvette, then 1968, '84, '97, 2005, and 2014. Each model year was supposed to improve upon the design of the last. Same thing with the AR15 and the AK: It gets updated as time goes by with the intention of making it a better weapon.
Chuckler127 You got lost in the details of the analogy and breezed straight passed the point. Would you modernize a 1968 Mustang? Yeah, perhaps you could do such upgrades ona foxbody 80s generation, but it doesn't look right on the original body style.
Have NO problem with rails and accessories. Its when you fool around with the internals that piss me off. Look at what Sig did... the ergonomics of the rifle was fine, but they destroyed the the reliability of the AK *BADLY*. I'm hoping whatever M+M cooked up with the M10x still maintained the integrity of the AK name. Also, IWI needs to hurry up with the Galil, its making me mad at this point.
I don't care how it looks! I'll still have the advantage and you won't simple as that fool! I'll bet that the guys with their crappy AKs made in a cave wished that they had night vision on it when they're getting killed by enemy soldiers with better technology! Get that through your thick skull!
James Franco i mean the surplus ak's being modified, im fine with the ak-107 and such since they were made like that. Also if i went into war i wouldnt use a plain AK but maybe something ak based.
I have an AK from Century Arms, absolutely nothing on it. My AR on the other hand, I've changed everything from the bolt to the handguard to the trigger, and I got a Trijicon MRO on it with Magpul Pro BUS. I don't know why but I haven't even thought of changing anything on my AK.
I'm really glad to se all the aftermarket components for the AK, it's such a fantastic rifle that it deserves the same treatment as the AR. Having said that, for me, personally, an original style AK with wood furniture is what I want because it's aesthetically pleasing to me, and for the most part it's gonna be a range gun
Iv'e tried aftermarket parts on my AK, didn't like them. The only things I have on mine now is a Tapco trigger kit, Hogue grip, AK-74 style brake, and Mojo ghost ring sites. It has a detachable scope mount with a millet red dot but I don't use it that often. Other than that I don't mess with it.
I am an AK purist, Lets face it, its safe to say when you buy your rifle you will likely never take another persons life with it, you get it because it astatically pleasing and a fun gun to take to the range. you wouldn't want to mess with an nice 67 mustang, the look is what sells it. I don't have issues with people modernizing there builds but its not my cup of tea. Although I am looking into vintage com bloc ak optics and accessories which is entirely hypocritical but its your rifle to own and do what you want.
TheBic4 You should always have a defensive rifle just as you should always have a defensive shotgun. Not every gun you own need to be configured for this role. For those that choose the AK and wish to modify it for this purpose shouldn't be ridiculed by the purists. That's the point of the video.
I agree. I love my AK setup traditionally. I think some guys just can't help but buy a bunch of accessories. I've always thought the best accessory was mags and ammo. BTW, I have a 6920 with traditional furniture and an Aimpoint PRO. What else do you need
I just upgraded my AK from stock polymer hand guard to quad rail hand guard but I’m keeping the rail covers on and not adding a grip or sight because all I wanted was better heat dissipation
Many people don't understand why the AK was made the way it is, and the reason is very practical. Imagine if one day a military dude grabs you by your sleeve and yells "WAR GLOBAL WAR HERE TAKE THIS GUN AND DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY", what would you want to use? A really cool and sophisticated AR15 or simple and reliable AK? I'm not saying that AK is a better combat rifle, because it's not, but you only need 15 minutes of training to make your AK effective on a battlefield even if you've never seen a gun before, and this is why AK is what it is. Do you think professional Russian military uses traditional AK's? Hell no, they want to kill the enemy and survive, and they use the best tools available. But can you train any random uneducated 3rd world dude to use really good weapon properly? I think not. But you can teach him to use an AK even if he was running around butt naked for all of his life before, and AK won't fail.
Super interesting discussion topic guys. I'm a huge AK fan, I've got a couple of RD blasters. "SIGH" Don't get me wrong, that keymod Krebs is bad ass, refined, and practical. Red dots are awesome, I've got aimpoints. BUT! The thing about this system is its "simplicity" which in my mind makes it uber reliable. How many screws are in a classic AK guys? Not many. As much as I want to add stuff like ultimaks (yes I know they're solid, with locktite *wink*) and QD mounts (I know they're modern and convenient), adding more moving parts where they don't NEED to be to make the rifle perform its basic function now have me worried about stuff going wrong on my blaster and distracted from the fight. "Hey did my red dot just lose zero lol!?" Collapsible stocks work wonders for eye relief problems with magnified optics, especially in different shooting positions, but the friggin thing has tiny parts that move which could potentially lead to problems I won't get with a warsaw stock. Aimpoints... Those batteries last long don't they...? I still have the original one that I bought for my CompM2 and it still hasn't gone out. Then why can't I bring myself to put anything that's battery powered on my Kalash?? Because it just doesn't feel... "sigh" reliable. While it may be limited without the cute little widgets, all my Kalash needs to perform is a loaded mag and my trigger finger. Just look at the hand guard retainer that comes on the original AK? No screws or nothing. I don't think that hand guard is going anywhere dude. I can't shoot cool, with support arm extended like Travis Haley but at least I know my hand guard won't fly off. In a world where I'm gonna drop my surefire aimpoint equipped AR and grab my AK for a long walk there aint gonna be any spare batteries or locktite guys. Why would I want to make an elegant and simple thing complicated...? NYET!!!
one aftermarket product id like to see available for the AK is one that'll omit the rear sight block entirely, get that extra weight off the front end, improve balance, make it lighter, and allow better rail options as it would no longer be in the way... something like a saiga 12 gas tube would suffice
A couple of ideas to lighten the AK chassis. A polymer top cover it is not stress bearing and is a few ounces of weight. A lightened or redesigned gas piston it is a thick and heavy moving piece of metal that adds weight and affects accuracy. I would take a page for the SVD , SKS, and the newer AR 15 piston systems and use a short stroke piston system. I do like the idea that he guys thought out in the video of an alloy receiver that would get you some weight saving, but if it compromises the reliability of the weapon it would be a no sell for me.
+Roger Gurman Or they actually spend all their money on a rifle that is designed to be riced out from the start. like an AR or SCAR. Mall ninja shit needs to be publicly shamed.
Rr rr So basically what you're saying is that even by your world's standards the AK "traditionists" are bloody idiots. Neat. I don't know what your beef with the AR is, other than a "scarce" probability that you're one of those slimes with their arms growing out of their butts who drop their weapons and drive over them without noticing. As a weapon, the AR does everyting the AK does, only better. In capable hands, that is. If you're some dilletante ISIS insurgent, you will be better off with the AK for sure.
Roger Gurman No, you dense idiot, learn some reading comprehension. My point was that people who don't like putting shit on their AK realize that it's an outdated platform that is not designed to take on modern accessories without significant overhaul. Have you ever seen a stock AK with a rail? No, you have to literally drill a fucking hole into the receiver to get a rail that actually holds zero. On the other hand, the AR and SCAR come with rails straight form the factory, so you can go full Mall Ninja if you want. I own both an AR and a SCAR so I don't know where you are getting your "lol if you don't like AR's you must be ISIS" shit from. Stop taking RUclips comments so personally.
Rr rr My reading comprehension is quite in order, which is more than one could say about your expressive skills. Seriously, dude, you should look into that.
+Roger Gurman Your failure to understand what was simple rhetoric is what started this whole mess. Learn to read things to completion and digest information, yeah?
I'd say the SG 55x series is an improvement on the AK design. Swiss Arms recently introduced a new variant of the 553 that actually takes AK magazines, and it has an SBR, which the 7.62x39 round that it's chambered in is great for. THere's also the PWS ARs that based their action off the AK design.
what if you had to go into a 30 year lasting war with very little supply? i dont think id trust these rails to survive the highest level of ongoing abuse
+Gornodd I dont think any rifle can survive 30 years of war. And I dont see the point of have a rifle that will survive 30 years. It would be much more costly.
Good video. I I have had this conversation with my friends so many times, I totally agree . If you're going to get a fighting rifle you need to make sure it's going to do what you wanted to do.
No nothing is perfect and as time goes on, things get better and adapt to the ever changing battlefield. The only people who believe AKs should never be modded are cheapos, that's why they probably have an AK in the first place. If you have a rifle for tactical use. It needs good magazines, a flashlight, and a sling MINIMUM. Don't be frugal about something that could save you or your loved ones life
***** I agree completely. Many times people choose the AK for the wrong reasons but fortunately get a good rifle... that reason being it's the cheapest thing they can find. Then they complain about the price of accessories and always compare their prices to the cost of the rifle. That's totally backwards thinking IMHO.
You are 100% correct sir. The top reasons the AK gets a bad wrap, such as lack of accuracy or bad ergonomics, could both be fixed for the most part with modern enhancements. A longer sight radius or a red dot. Enhanced safety, etc. the AK is a great rifle once taken to the 21st century
I have about 4 AR-15s and the shortest hand guard I run is 13in I like to have my hand out farther. But I just bought a standard ak and everytime it gets hot I always burn my hand I immediately went and bought a meymod hand guard works great and still looks somewhat traditional
Hey mac I have a large collection of ar15s and ak style rifels I own an old ak and it looks cool fun to shoot but not very accurate with the iron sights. I recently bought a saiga with a top cover with rails and a collapsible stock with s for grips. Much more accurate and alot more reasonable for hitting what I'm aiming at modernized great choice
I agree with your take on the issue. As long as reliability and durability are not compromised, it's no problem to make modifications that enhance usability for you.
I think it's just that Iconic look of the AK with wooden furniture that some people don't want to mess with. That form with the Banana Magazine and Blonde Wood is recognized the world over, even by people who may not know the name of any other gun.
Hi MAC, I have to say I love your channel and professionalism. Anytime I have a firearms related question or need a review, I turn to your channel first. Needless to say I value your opinion when it comes to firearms. I have a couple of questions. Let me just say I'm on a tight budget like a lot us hard working US citizens. I own 1 shotgun and 2 pistols. I can only afford 1 fighting rifle and that's what I plan to stick with and shoot as much as I can. My question to you is if you were in my position which would you choose? The options can be overwhelming and amount of info (good and bad) even more overwhelming. The factors I'm considering are as follows: 1. Cost (of course, I'm on a budget) 2. Reliability 3. Combat accuracy 4. Bulk Ammo Availability 5. Bulk Ammo ballistics 6. Bulk Ammo Cost I think at this point I'm leaning towards an AK74. My only 'scare' so to speak is that with the 7N6 ban (so irritating) that bulking might be harder. I can't seem to find any Red Army Standard out there (do have any info on that?) I really appreciate your thoughts on my questions/scenario above. Also, I'm finding it much more difficult these days to find AK74s. Can you recommend a good place to buy one and which type/variant would suit my needs if in fact you feel the AK74 is the best choice? Again thanks for the great vids and your input.
this is a old video.... just popped up on my feed. Perfect timing as I just got my Copper Custom DDI AK47 in full FDE camo. David it was great to do biz with you !!
one aftermarket product id like to see available for the AK is one that'll omit the rear sight block entirely, get that extra weight off the front end, improve balance, make it lighter, and allow better rail options as it would no longer be in the way... something like a saiga 12 gas tube would suffice.. that alone will shave off about .25lbs off the rifle and with everyone using red dots regardless, its not needed
Also, Tim and company - your thoughts on the Atlantic C39 and RAS-47 as a basis for a fighting rifle? I have no AK pattern guns in the safe, yet, and would most definitely want the ergonomics afforded by the newer handguards, adjustable buttstocks, etcetera.
Terry Faugno The C39V2 I have is solid as heck. I've been running it hard, not cleaning it and firing it suppressed and unsuppressed. It's my C39V2 you see in the video I recently posted with the AK Operators Union. I just got a RAS-47 so I can't comment on it yet, but I will.
What we really need are more AR10's ( ones with forward assists ). Thank God Daniel Defense finally decided to make an AR10! Now BCM needs to get into gear and make one! By the way, the "new guy" on your channel Tim is awesome and seems to know his stuff. Outstanding video Tim and God Bless
I think if you're bolting on every rail you can find, you might as well get an AR. However, some stocks/fore ends/etc, do improve usability and ergonomics. I believe in "tasteful" upgrades for AK rifles.
Wow, MAC , you have FN FNC in back there, can you review this rare-beast sometimes ? In my country, we have licenced version of FNC as the standard issue rifle, and it's quite unique AK-AR hybrid design.
Great discussion, guys! My fisrt rifle was a "cheap" M&M AK variant - I loved it from the beginning. I'm not a traditionalist so I don't mind add-ons, but I do have a problem with "pretty" AKs. I like them scuffed, scratched, dinged and used-looking. I do wish my M&M had a butt stock that I could use as a hammer... the expanding, plastic M4 style stock isn't tough enough to pound a tent stake or to bust a doorknob.
I've been thinking about getting my first ak when I leave cali (hence being only able to get a stupidized one here) and I wanted to find either one with a milled receiver or just buy one separately. Ive heard stamped works fine for the ak74s and such but Ive also seen modern stamped 47s crack at the receiver from too much force, also I feel like it might stabilize the gun Ive noticed in slow mo vids aks always seem to wobble all over, as well as reduce recoil no?
I used to have problems holding a zero on many different mounting systems for the AK. Finally bought a Arsenal side mount that I run my Trijicon TR-24 on. Holds a perfect zero. Finally! lol
My view is i like the classic look of my AKs, I have several in wood furnature. However in a shtf situation my first choice wouls be my cmmg mk47 due to the red dot on it and the flasight as well as how much lighter it is. My second choice would be a "classic" akm in my collection. There pretty but heavy. Though i do plan for one of the AKs im planing to build from the Dno DX7 kit that may replace the mutant as my go to rifle
I've had a WASR and an old Norinko for years. I reluctantly bought a Centurion C39 recently, and actually LOVE IT. In fact, I'm probably gonna sell the other two, now. In my wildest dreams, I never thought I'd even "like" it, (just bought it to try it, then sell). However I'd buy a "Tactical C39" next. It's "old school", kinda. But modern as well
You are right about modernizing AK's. Except old school is light. That's the only thing the old school AL has is light weight. I'll never go with a thin barrel though on anything.
I think the mutant is a step in the right direction take what people like in bolth systems and combine them.is it an improvement I don't know but it allows me to use 7.62 ammo and inexpensive ak mags on a gun with controls I am use to using. I know training would do the same but I'm lazy. On the other hand I would love me one of those Krebs rifles. Shame I live in NY
I must have modified the look of my Norinco numerous times. I had it in plastic, bullpup kit from KVAR, rails, ect. The Norinco is back to its original configuration with solid wood stocks. No matter how much I tried, I couldn't improve upon the AK. The standard short wood buttstock is perfect for me. It fits in the truck easily and shoulders nicely. I am done trying to improve perfection. The Norinco will stay 1000% stock from now on! That being said... Its your rifle, do what ever the hell you want to do with it and screw what everyone else has to say.
You guys mentioned a light weight AK. The SLR104UR is extremely light, and that is with a 16" barrel. SBRing it would remove at least another pound or 2.
MAC would you please do a short video and point out the type of each of the rifles behind you? I thought I knew a lot about it but there's a couple that stump me. Thanks
so many people hating on AK guys or AR guys now days. they're both great rifles and are badass whether they are in the original configurations or modernized. GUYS! we're all gun lovers. enjoy them both and try new things! I have a modernized akm and an akm with the old school wood furniture as well as planning to get an AR in the near future
I am an AK man all the way. I love my AKM and AK 74. I have also put on the enhanced selector switch on both and Rob's sling. An obvious upgrade, although small. One can overdue with upgrades, but a good soldier is going to upgrade to his actual needs and not beyond. Great video guys, and you and Rob are correct. Besides the original time proven AK bolt, bolt carrier, drive spring, gas piston, and tube remain the same. So why be against adding enhancements to such a superb and simple combat proven weapon?
Hello MAC, the think I don't understand are the guys that have miles of rail space with nothing on there. It's pointless. On my SLR107, I simply threw on an Midwest Industries side mount and an Aimpoint. It allows me to keep the factory looks as the mount comes off in 3 seconds. The gun is also modeled after the AK103, so I wouldn't say it's classic. Also, the reason people hate AR15 stocks is because they make no sense. The design of the buffer tube dictates that an Ar15 must have a telescoping stock. Not so with the AK
I guess a good compromise would be wood furniture with an Ultimak (or similar) gas tube rail and micro dot (and possibly light too). Looks pretty classy, still a lot more effective than the plain rifle.
Old Ak=- stay stock
New Ak= Add anythng you want
that's a good rule of thumb
i'll see the new ak on armslist. i'll buy it. i'll strip it and install wood furniture. i'll throw the plastic shit in the bin. i'll turn around and sell it on armslist for a small profit. see you there.
When it comes to a fighting rifle, I'm not taking an an anyway. An ar15 in 300blk is probably your best option
That's a retarded rule of thumb
@@codyjackalope8464 it's unproven in combat And are the stigma attached to AK's are highly unrealistic
"Traditional" AK with Tapco mag. Something wrong here.
Oldman Wells thas´s true, I prefer steel mags
Oldman Wells You misspelled Crapco. LOL :-)
That's a Magpul mag.
TacticalLumberjack No, it's definitely not a Magpul mag. The mag laying on the ground beside Rob Ski is Magpul but the mag in the rifle at the 1:25 mark is Tapco junk.
I remember when there was only steel, bulgy and tapco mags. Never had a problem with them personally. Ive had other tapco junk but the mags ok, Its no bulgy mag tho.
I am a sucker for a classic wood stocked AK.
As Rob Ski would say, "It's AK - it works"
Rob, can I change my pistol grip?
Rob: no!!! It’s fine the way it is!
Can I modify the safety level?
Rob: no!!!! It’s fine the way it is!
If it adds anything to the conversation, i'd still put wood furniture on an AR-15......
Mack Nasty
hell yeah the battle arms development ar15 wood furniture is awesome but wayyy too pricey
AR15 looks so unnatural with wood furniture
Till it heats up
That's like a Glock with a wooden frame.
Don`t put to much junk on your rifle and you will be ok.
If I were to buy the AK platform, I would buy two AKs. One that modded out and one that's traditional, plain and simple.
Da Comrade
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And remember to dual wield them.
or get a fucking ar
Genghis Ghost ars are gross
I think most people see the AK as not needing anything because it was made to be a simple rifle and that's kind of it's claim to fame, rugged simplicity. On the other hand the AR is seen as a super tacticool rifle that needs all the mods you can chuck at it to be cool or "battlefield" worthy. I personally Like to make things to my taste not what the market or anyone else tries to dictate. For Instance I just built a nice pricey AR (my first AR) and I went with a quad rail and a flip to side mount for my magnifier even though they are not the in thing anymore and don't get me started on what I've done to some russian rifles. Why? because it's what I MYSELF wanted. Morle of the story do what you want with your things and if other people like your work great but if they don't just remember who you did the work for and go on your merry way knowing you love what you do.
TubeYou that's kinda where i stand on the AK. Adding shit to it defeats the purpose.
TShirtCannon No it doesn't. Adding a handguard that deals better with heat and putting on an optic is not defeating any purpose! I hate the conservative thinking, stay open-minded!!!
I think that it really is determined by the intended role of the rifle. If you ever intended to use the rifle in a combat/defensive role, any rifle will need certain upgrades.
Sights, for example, are a game changer.
TShirtCannon The AK is a Russian rifle, they invented it, they use it as their full time combat carbine and it's all they've use since the late 1940's, they know it better than anyone, and they add shit to it. They abandoned the old configuration years ago starting with replacing the wood with plastic' They also use optics, including Aimpoints.
TShirtCannon also, weight. the more metal you put on it, the more weight you have to drag around in a shtf scenario. my goto trifle is a mk.12 mod 1 and thats 10 pounds empty! sometimes a 7lb AK is a godsend
I wanted to keep my ak original. It was my first true build. A new stainless barrel and a bag of Bulgarian parts. I just couldn't use the original sights comfortably, so I added a small red dot. It helped my 50yd and 100yd accuracy, but I still get laughs at the range for adding optics to an ak. Last time it was a guy with an ar, fully modded, dumping mags at a silhouette set at 15yd.
you mean meme?
bassboost Pronounced: (Me)-eem
kek
bassboost LOL. "My-m." I'm surprised at the number of people who don't pronounce "meme" correctly.
clamum how about the ones who say Me Me instead? Lololol.
bassboost nice meme
It's meme as in "meeeem" long E's. Rhymes with steel "beam". It's not "mime" you cluezers.
I think it should be noted that the reason a lot of people do not like the idea of rail systems on AK patterned rifles is that a lot of AK patterned rifles that were imported are no longer available today. A good portion of AK variants have become collectors items because of their scarcity and lack of numbers. Even parts kits, like the maadi or Russian AK kits that got brought in disguised as Bulgarian.
cutting an original barrel, or modifying a rifle that is limited is seen as a crime in the AK community, and that mindset might have leaked out of the collectors market into the regular consumer market. I don't see any problems when people change up their WASR or Npap rifles, or even their Bulgarian Arsenals.
But I also think that a lot of the "tactical" accessories for the AK are very cheap and low quality, and the end user would have been better off in traditional configuration. Because many years ago, you could get AK rifles for $400, and it was considered the cheap gun, people didn't want to buy expensive accessories for the AK, so for years the AK "tactical" market was flooded in low quality cheap accessories that any person with good sense would realize was pure garbage. That market really helped pound the mindset of AK collectors and lovers that tactical accessories were pure garbage and better in the garbage than on your rifle.
Today, that isn't as much the case as now the AK market has expanded enough to the point where there is a large array of high quality accessories for the AK that helps modernize the platform, but it's hard to kill a mindset that has been created from collectors and years of cheap low quality accessories that were prevalent on the AK market.
bfgmovies I have to agree with this. It's like the Garand rifles or any old rifle/pistol. Most people are going to see changes as sort of a bad thing. They would like to keep it for historical reasons. Even AR15 pattern rifles can get that sort of crowd especially with the retro parts. If you have a ar15 from the 70s, 80s or even 90s, chances are modifying it going to be a very bad idea even though you very well can.
The way I see it is most custom built rifles that you assembled yourself with aftermarket products will probably not be usable or likable to others who want to purchase it.
bfgmovies I agree. I for one hate it when people "sporterize" Mosins, Enfields or Mauser originals. Do with the cheap knock offs whatever you like, but a gun that saw service in World War 2 and often beyond, that is a piece of history right there. It shouldn't be chopped off, painted pink or whatever.
@@d.l.918 Bubba and his mosins ...
*shudders*
I have a feeling that the reason for the desire to have the "traditional" look on the AK is because of the original design being wood and steel. The AR has always been a little more "modern" looking from the beginning with the aluminum and polymer, so putting modern equipment on it seems natural. People might feel that changing wood furniture on an AK is like putting polymer stocks on an M1 Garand. Just a thought.
yeah dude, that's what I like about the AK. These stupid idiots modernized the AK into an abomination.
I'm one of those weirdos who like completely stock and traditional AK's and AR's. I could care less about tacticool equipment weighing down my gun. At the end of the day it's how competent you are as a shooter that determines how effective your gun is.
conner stines Yeah let's tell the S.W.A.T. team to bust in a house at night with no flash light or infrared lasers
conner stines I completely agree. I love the look of a traditional ak (even though I have never and will never own one in Canada) and if I had to carry a rifle in an area where I needed it the last thing I want is a bunch of doodads that break or fall off when I'm crawling through mud or whatnot. Don't get me wrong, the tactical stuff does enhance the ability to use the gun but as a personal preference I don't want it
If accessories were an issue the military wouldn't even utilize $5,000 ACOG scopes 3 to $5,000 in laser Optics it's called having back up sights which if you have a fixed front and a flip-up rear you good to go or to flip UPS you're good to go
Personally, I have traditional set up on my AK for a few reasons. One, it's a lot cheaper to keep the wood and save that money for feeding it. Two, being an American in America I don't need a "combat rifle" so it's partially because the wood looks better. And finally, I like to follow the principle of KISS, Keep It Simple, Stupid! The less crap I put on, the less likely it is for something to go wrong. And the best thing for accuracy isn't fancy sights or grips, its good fundementals. The fanciest, most expensive, top of the line crap you throw on won't fix being a bad shot. Just my personal opinion.
While the fundememtals are true, the principle does apply that you can't hit what you can't see, a prism optic or red dot absolutely is a force multiplier not only is is faster it also allows you to adequately see and range targets. Even Russians use optics. In this day and age irons are a back up. The AK even in 7.62 can be used fairly effectively out to around 500 yards with a good 3 or 4 power especially with acss. But with irons it can be done but it's extreme, and without a spotter to actually tell you where that target is it is virtually impossible with any set of irons because someone even in gray on a tree line that far is pretty much invisible. KISS isn't a bad principle overall but if it counted for everything then everything would be either black powder or swords, or rocks.
You never know....you may need a combat rifle
It's Sept 2020. Still think you don't need a combat rifle? If no, then update me on Nov 4.
*looks back at old comment* lmao
Most people on the internet are posers, the 'better than thou, holier than thou' bunch. What they purists ignorant about the fact that original AK47 is no longer in production and can only be found in museum or grandpa's basement, the AK they have ever seen is probably an AKM, an AK47 copy that is made by a by modern machinery in a modern factory run by a big capitalized organization. And yet they still act like as if their ak was hand made by Mikhail Kalashnikov and signed by Stalin. How they ever so insisting on the original look on a knock-off replica of the original makes me laughing my ass off, that big ego and that ignorance. In fact, they have even forgotten or hardly even know that the AK was originally designed for the purpose of MODERNIZATION. It was considered ahead of its time because of it's milled steel technology of that time instead of the regular wooden-body rifle. The purists thought they are following the tradition zealously but they are going against the original intent of Mikhail Kalashnikov for the AK in reality, which is to bring the rifle to modernization. Believe it or not, the people who told me not to customize my ak is also the same people who has a bunch of heavily customized 1911s in their collection. Seriously, who bred these idiots?
You're heated because someone doesn't wanna bubba their ak? You can do what you want to your own guns but some people like the wood furniture. You sound like one of those people that would take an sks and put a tapco on it. Go right ahead but not me
I had a stone age AK47 setup. I recently bought an RAS47 and immediately put on the magpul Zukov furniture to bring it into the modern age of ergonomics and modularity....and I freaking love it!!!!!!! Purists? I don't care what anyone thinks. It's mine. It works for me. I'm not a collector.
Most rifles that people are buying will never be collectors items. That's like buying a Hyundai and hoping it will be a collector car someday, it most likely wont. I went full Zhukov myself on one of my rifles and love it. It's perfect for the Saiga conversions.
mixflip I had a CTR stock on my AK. I had to take it off though. It kept pulling my beard and it was getting annoying as fuck. However, it is SO much better than the traditional fixed stock.
Immortalkalashnikov I have a CTR also, although no beard so no problems. I was thinking of a different stock due to the fact that I have a CMR 762AK 1-4x scope. It is better as it is slightly higher than the original stock.
+mixflip Yep that's all that matters!
You are disgrace to AK
I think it is due to the media factor, Seals and the military have the ar15 and they're all tricked out and people want that, it's American and they've been around for a while. I think people see ak's and they are not tricked out in the movies and they want it to stay like that, people buy the wooden stock ak's a lot of the time due to the novelty factor. Not to mention the accessory market for the ar.
I dunno. People have been paying attention to Russian special forces and their tricked out ak's more and more, recently.
the8jrfan That's the biggest reason I see people doing that crap to AR-15s. (or choosing AR-15s) Either their a mall ninja or they're a wanna be SEAL.
the8jrfan have you seen any of the weapons of the Russian special forces (Or any 1st world country sf for that matter?). Zenit rails and collapsible stocks and eotechs x10000
the8jrfan "Not to mention the accessory market for the ar."
Which in all honesty does not hold that much water anymore over the AK. If you were talking 10 years ago you would be right but nowadays the AK has its own quality rails, pistol grips, triggers, muzzle devices, and iron sights available to mount any accessory that one would fit to an AR. Plus the AK has more available in the buttstock department over the AR. The AR is stuck to something that will fit the buffer tube. The AK can use an AR buffer tube adapter to use AR stocks while also using many other buttstock options including folding stocks as well.
retrosly
You don't see them that much in movies, though.
Spetnaz Alpha unit uses customed AKs, nuff said....they know better about the AK than any other people
Excellent video. After 22 years in the Army and being and AR-15/M-16A2 guy I have now crossed over and I am a dedicated AK-74 owner/operator. It does everything I want it to do and the diminutive 5.45x39mm bullet is not to be underestimated. My bottom line is this: at 47 I can no longer easily focus in on the front sight because my eyes are no longer what they used to be. I chose to use a UTG 4.2" red dot for in close and also a UTG 3x magnifier on a Midwest Industries scope rail so I can see where to hit that hog at the feeder just below the ear hole. This is America by golly and because we are still the land of the free and the home of the brave it comes down to personal preference. If it works and you like it...go for it!
>AK purists
>Owning AR-15's
Nigga you what?
it happens way more than you think
Konrad Ford Than chances are you aren't an AK purist, to be a full blooded slavaboo you must damn any and all weapons designed by Americans, John Moses Browning is basically your Satan and Eugene Stoner is your Hitler.
Hi mac,I have a 1984 polytech AKS with factory wood furniture and love it for its appearance and ministry and historical value.I have a 2002 Bushmaster TRUE ar 15a2 non detatachable carrying handle,and I Love that rifle for the same reason..keep up the great work SEMPER FI
The issue isn't the picatinny rails, adjustable buttstocks, optics, lasers, or any of the rest of it. The issue that draws criticism, is that a lot of the gear-do's don't spend much time at the range.
I would bet my last dollar that a guy who runs 500 rounds a month through a plain rifle with only iron sights is more effective than a guy with a laser, light, and optic that shoots less than once a month.
No shit Sherlock.
I think a key point that you glossed over a bit is the quality of after market support for the AK. The meme picture shows comrade turning down a railed dust cover. Up until 5 years ago that was just about all you could get. That and poorly made tapco products. Magpul just released accessories for the ak. Things like the Ultimak, LINCH cover, RS regulate, Texas weapon systems, and a plethora of quality parts are now being produced but 5 years ago high quality AKs were still the domain of the dedicated builder. Who tirelessly strive to build faithful reproductions from parts kits. Give it a few more years of quality parts and I bet this meme types will be in the minority.
Edward Hall Spot on. I was disappointed that they didn't realize that.
I don't know why but I do not like key mod mlock or any modern free float rail on either the ar or the ak,I think they look way to civilian for my taste.I like to keep my rifles resembling a service rifle.
luise cobian After all, appearances are so critical. :)
Military Arms Channel it is if you are a historical collector like I am.I just prefare service weapons looks in a rifle.It is very apealing to me,to have a rifle that looks straight of the battle field.The new key mod free float rails just aren't my cup of tee.
luise cobian As I show in the video, there are plenty of service rifles with rails, red dots and polymer stocks. Perhaps you mean you prefer service rifles of a particular era?
Military Arms Channel yup I love the m16,with triangle handguardes or anything out of the vietnam era.That period for the m16 was so intresting with,local veterans having mixed opinions about the switch from the m14,to all the shorty m16 made for the snake eaters.I am one of the purist on the ar 15 nyet rifle is fine.
luise cobian you're an idiot
Having just come through an extremely cold January and February here in the great white north (never above freezing and quite a few days straight never above 0 F), I’ve learned to really appreciate iron sights again. Even quality electronic devices and batteries struggle after a few hours in these temperatures.
Another interesting thing I was reminded of was just how bright everything seems with snow on the ground and just starlight (add even a half moon and visibility is near daylight). Shooting irons under these conditions is pretty easy.
Having said all that, I do run lights, optics and slings on nearly every long gun I own.
The AK seems less susceptible to the cold than the AR. Looser tolerances and heavier components don’t seem to seize up as easily. But choosing (and using) quality lubricants for any rifle platform makes a big difference in keeping moisture/condensation out of critical areas where it can cause all kinds of havoc in extreme cold.
All else being equal, yes, I’ll take optics, lights, etc. But when it comes to a fighting/defensive rifle, reliability under adverse conditions trumps features every time.
Someone has told him since how to say meme... right?
lol I was just thinking that I started to watch this video...
Same. Was checking comments to see if it was addressed. hah
snakevenom56 I was thinkin the same thing
Yeah its just a joke about slapping useless shit on a rifle, like optics I can understand, even forrgrips or a light, but lasers and IR crap. Nah
I like the look of the new MK 107. Charging handle on both sides, M4 stock, flared magwell, rail along top of receiver.
It is what the AK needed: a redesign that incorporates these features into an AK without awkward mods or heavy or chunky add-ons.
Military Arms Channel People don't mind customizing and modernizing an AR because even when it was developed, it had a 'wave of the future' plasticy space gun look to it. It reminded people of James Bond. Now the AK is like a good ol' country reliable. Sporterizing an AK is like sporterizing a Mosin Nagant. It strips away the original feel and look of it. Imagine an old 1953 Corvette and somebody modernizing that with big rims, thin tires, low suspension, and euro style headlights on it. Yeah, the car is technically improved, but it just looks and feels awful. That's what sporterizing the AK feels like.
DarkFilmDirector I have to disagree. Especially with the analogy you came up with. It's a bad analogy because there's been a 1963 Corvette, then 1968, '84, '97, 2005, and 2014. Each model year was supposed to improve upon the design of the last. Same thing with the AR15 and the AK: It gets updated as time goes by with the intention of making it a better weapon.
Chuckler127 You got lost in the details of the analogy and breezed straight passed the point. Would you modernize a 1968 Mustang? Yeah, perhaps you could do such upgrades ona foxbody 80s generation, but it doesn't look right on the original body style.
I think it is the wood on the ak that makes people want to keep it in the old, antique condition.
Several AKs in the house, none of them stock.
Chris Blake Was
Good for you. You want a cookie for ego-buffing you wares?
Have NO problem with rails and accessories. Its when you fool around with the internals that piss me off. Look at what Sig did... the ergonomics of the rifle was fine, but they destroyed the the reliability of the AK *BADLY*. I'm hoping whatever M+M cooked up with the M10x still maintained the integrity of the AK name. Also, IWI needs to hurry up with the Galil, its making me mad at this point.
ims0deranged The Sig 550/551 is an amazing rifle. The only issues that Sig really had was with the 556R.
Taylor Hardin agreed
ims0deranged I don't like fooling around with the design of internal components, but have nothing against things like modern bolt coatings etc.
ims0deranged galilis already out. Stupid expensive tho
the boogie man
I havent seen it anywhere. Atlantic firearms still says sold out.
im a ak-purist. i just hate the looks of all black tacti-cooliized ak's
Those AK you speak of are not AK. They are ar scum in AK skin.
+austinh329 да Tovarish)))
I don't care how it looks! I'll still have the advantage and you won't simple as that fool! I'll bet that the guys with their crappy AKs made in a cave wished that they had night vision on it when they're getting killed by enemy soldiers with better technology! Get that through your thick skull!
James Franco i mean the surplus ak's being modified, im fine with the ak-107 and such since they were made like that. Also if i went into war i wouldnt use a plain AK but maybe something ak based.
You can add scopes and red dots and attachments with the classic wood, I dont know why plastic= modern/better
I have an AK from Century Arms, absolutely nothing on it. My AR on the other hand, I've changed everything from the bolt to the handguard to the trigger, and I got a Trijicon MRO on it with Magpul Pro BUS. I don't know why but I haven't even thought of changing anything on my AK.
N'yet, rifle is fine.
I'm really glad to se all the aftermarket components for the AK, it's such a fantastic rifle that it deserves the same treatment as the AR. Having said that, for me, personally, an original style AK with wood furniture is what I want because it's aesthetically pleasing to me, and for the most part it's gonna be a range gun
the wood just looks a lot better seems a shame to replace it with plastic
You can add scopes and red dots and attachments with the classic wood, I dont know why plastic= modern/better....
Very good comrade I approve *approves post*
Plastic Furniture are easier to Produce, Cheaper, and Lighter (slightly)
Iv'e tried aftermarket parts on my AK, didn't like them. The only things I have on mine now is a Tapco trigger kit, Hogue grip, AK-74 style brake, and Mojo ghost ring sites. It has a detachable scope mount with a millet red dot but I don't use it that often. Other than that I don't mess with it.
I am an AK purist, Lets face it, its safe to say when you buy your rifle you will likely never take another persons life with it, you get it because it astatically pleasing and a fun gun to take to the range. you wouldn't want to mess with an nice 67 mustang, the look is what sells it. I don't have issues with people modernizing there builds but its not my cup of tea. Although I am looking into vintage com bloc ak optics and accessories which is entirely hypocritical but its your rifle to own and do what you want.
TheBic4 You should always have a defensive rifle just as you should always have a defensive shotgun. Not every gun you own need to be configured for this role. For those that choose the AK and wish to modify it for this purpose shouldn't be ridiculed by the purists. That's the point of the video.
I agree. I love my AK setup traditionally. I think some guys just can't help but buy a bunch of accessories. I've always thought the best accessory was mags and ammo. BTW, I have a 6920 with traditional furniture and an Aimpoint PRO. What else do you need
TheBic4 I feel the same way. I found a PSO for ak on kalinkaopics and I think I found a new addiction; eastern tank-optics.
***** im looking into collecting spg-9 optics, rpg assessor scope , and if lucky a sagger 3 periscope
I'm stuck half way in between. I picked up an ultimak, thorntail mount, g2x tactical krebs safety and a moe grip. I still love the wood furniture.
I've always seen a naked AKM as a blank canvas
Graham Baates and then put csgo skin on it
NYET RIFLE IS FINE
I just upgraded my AK from stock polymer hand guard to quad rail hand guard but I’m keeping the rail covers on and not adding a grip or sight because all I wanted was better heat dissipation
I doubt that professional soldiers oppose the modernization idea. Its the people who care about design and not functionality oppose it.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge interesting to know why.
7 years later….
“AKs are outdated and should go the way of the dodo bird.” ~ MAC
Lol
Many people don't understand why the AK was made the way it is, and the reason is very practical.
Imagine if one day a military dude grabs you by your sleeve and yells "WAR GLOBAL WAR HERE TAKE THIS GUN AND DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY", what would you want to use? A really cool and sophisticated AR15 or simple and reliable AK? I'm not saying that AK is a better combat rifle, because it's not, but you only need 15 minutes of training to make your AK effective on a battlefield even if you've never seen a gun before, and this is why AK is what it is.
Do you think professional Russian military uses traditional AK's? Hell no, they want to kill the enemy and survive, and they use the best tools available. But can you train any random uneducated 3rd world dude to use really good weapon properly? I think not. But you can teach him to use an AK even if he was running around butt naked for all of his life before, and AK won't fail.
Alexander Sludskiy the AK will not fail, unless it gets mud on it.
Source: Forgotten Weapons/ In range tv ak mud test
Running an AR isn’t rocket science bro, it’s not any more complicated than the AK really.
What
Super interesting discussion topic guys. I'm a huge AK fan, I've got a couple of RD blasters. "SIGH" Don't get me wrong, that keymod Krebs is bad ass, refined, and practical. Red dots are awesome, I've got aimpoints. BUT! The thing about this system is its "simplicity" which in my mind makes it uber reliable. How many screws are in a classic AK guys? Not many. As much as I want to add stuff like ultimaks (yes I know they're solid, with locktite *wink*) and QD mounts (I know they're modern and convenient), adding more moving parts where they don't NEED to be to make the rifle perform its basic function now have me worried about stuff going wrong on my blaster and distracted from the fight. "Hey did my red dot just lose zero lol!?" Collapsible stocks work wonders for eye relief problems with magnified optics, especially in different shooting positions, but the friggin thing has tiny parts that move which could potentially lead to problems I won't get with a warsaw stock. Aimpoints... Those batteries last long don't they...? I still have the original one that I bought for my CompM2 and it still hasn't gone out. Then why can't I bring myself to put anything that's battery powered on my Kalash?? Because it just doesn't feel... "sigh" reliable. While it may be limited without the cute little widgets, all my Kalash needs to perform is a loaded mag and my trigger finger. Just look at the hand guard retainer that comes on the original AK? No screws or nothing. I don't think that hand guard is going anywhere dude. I can't shoot cool, with support arm extended like Travis Haley but at least I know my hand guard won't fly off. In a world where I'm gonna drop my surefire aimpoint equipped AR and grab my AK for a long walk there aint gonna be any spare batteries or locktite guys. Why would I want to make an elegant and simple thing complicated...? NYET!!!
i would say im more against Americanizing the ak. i like to use Russian optics on my aks
one aftermarket product id like to see available for the AK is one that'll omit the rear sight block entirely, get that extra weight off the front end, improve balance, make it lighter, and allow better rail options as it would no longer be in the way... something like a saiga 12 gas tube would suffice
"Mime"? You sure you don't mean "Meme"?
Hey man, I can love some 74 and AKM wood every once in a while but I’ll keep loving my Zenit rails over here.
Mime? Meme...?
Thank god I thought I was the only one that caught that
A couple of ideas to lighten the AK chassis.
A polymer top cover it is not stress bearing and is a few ounces of weight.
A lightened or redesigned gas piston it is a thick and heavy moving piece of metal that adds weight and affects accuracy. I would take a page for the SVD , SKS, and the newer AR 15 piston systems and use a short stroke piston system.
I do like the idea that he guys thought out in the video of an alloy receiver that would get you some weight saving, but if it compromises the reliability of the weapon it would be a no sell for me.
The AK "traditionists" that I know are simply too cheap to acknowledge the simple fact that they don't have any extra money for the accessories.
+Roger Gurman Or they actually spend all their money on a rifle that is designed to be riced out from the start. like an AR or SCAR. Mall ninja shit needs to be publicly shamed.
Rr rr So basically what you're saying is that even by your world's standards the AK "traditionists" are bloody idiots. Neat.
I don't know what your beef with the AR is, other than a "scarce" probability that you're one of those slimes with their arms growing out of their butts who drop their weapons and drive over them without noticing. As a weapon, the AR does everyting the AK does, only better. In capable hands, that is. If you're some dilletante ISIS insurgent, you will be better off with the AK for sure.
Roger Gurman No, you dense idiot, learn some reading comprehension. My point was that people who don't like putting shit on their AK realize that it's an outdated platform that is not designed to take on modern accessories without significant overhaul. Have you ever seen a stock AK with a rail? No, you have to literally drill a fucking hole into the receiver to get a rail that actually holds zero. On the other hand, the AR and SCAR come with rails straight form the factory, so you can go full Mall Ninja if you want. I own both an AR and a SCAR so I don't know where you are getting your "lol if you don't like AR's you must be ISIS" shit from. Stop taking RUclips comments so personally.
Rr rr My reading comprehension is quite in order, which is more than one could say about your expressive skills. Seriously, dude, you should look into that.
+Roger Gurman Your failure to understand what was simple rhetoric is what started this whole mess. Learn to read things to completion and digest information, yeah?
I'd say the SG 55x series is an improvement on the AK design. Swiss Arms recently introduced a new variant of the 553 that actually takes AK magazines, and it has an SBR, which the 7.62x39 round that it's chambered in is great for. THere's also the PWS ARs that based their action off the AK design.
what if you had to go into a 30 year lasting war with very little supply? i dont think id trust these rails to survive the highest level of ongoing abuse
RIGHT
+Gornodd You'd trust a WOODEN handguard more than these? You're stupid.
+Gornodd I dont think any rifle can survive 30 years of war. And I dont see the point of have a rifle that will survive 30 years. It would be much more costly.
+ivan lambert (BlownGT2000) Mosin 91/30 ,m1a, m1garand,sks,akm47
+Mike Ustan "survive 30 years of war", not being in storage most of the time
Good video. I I have had this conversation with my friends so many times, I totally agree . If you're going to get a fighting rifle you need to make sure it's going to do what you wanted to do.
No nothing is perfect and as time goes on, things get better and adapt to the ever changing battlefield. The only people who believe AKs should never be modded are cheapos, that's why they probably have an AK in the first place. If you have a rifle for tactical use. It needs good magazines, a flashlight, and a sling MINIMUM. Don't be frugal about something that could save you or your loved ones life
***** I agree completely. Many times people choose the AK for the wrong reasons but fortunately get a good rifle... that reason being it's the cheapest thing they can find. Then they complain about the price of accessories and always compare their prices to the cost of the rifle. That's totally backwards thinking IMHO.
You are 100% correct sir. The top reasons the AK gets a bad wrap, such as lack of accuracy or bad ergonomics, could both be fixed for the most part with modern enhancements. A longer sight radius or a red dot. Enhanced safety, etc. the AK is a great rifle once taken to the 21st century
I have about 4 AR-15s and the shortest hand guard I run is 13in I like to have my hand out farther. But I just bought a standard ak and everytime it gets hot I always burn my hand I immediately went and bought a meymod hand guard works great and still looks somewhat traditional
I guess you haven't seen my AR :) haha
ArtisanTony Post a picture on FB or it didn't happen. :)
Military Arms Channel OK, I posted on FB :)
P226nut Awe, the pink rifles are to support our vets!
Yours? Aren't you selling it? You horrible monster!
Derek Everyguy Ha, I need to cut some tress and I can always build another one :)
Hey mac I have a large collection of ar15s and ak style rifels I own an old ak and it looks cool fun to shoot but not very accurate with the iron sights. I recently bought a saiga with a top cover with rails and a collapsible stock with s for grips. Much more accurate and alot more reasonable for hitting what I'm aiming at modernized great choice
NYET!!! Rifle. Is. fine.
justin f NYET! Rifle can be better.
no comrade! rifle has spirit of mother russia. rifle. is. fine.
Love the discussion. Was torn on upgrading for a while but I too agree and now working on modernizing my AK
you see Americans using Kalashnikov. but no Russians using the armalite design. hmm
Russian citizens can't own rifles, that's why
+Max416188 actually they can though magazine capacity is limited
+Max416188 also it's a pain in the ass dealing with all the stuff necessary to own a gun but again you can do it
The only things I put to my AKs are Red Dots and Acogs and normally a lower railed handguard with a Fore Grip
I agree with your take on the issue. As long as reliability and durability are not compromised, it's no problem to make modifications that enhance usability for you.
Hey Tim, is that a Sako/Valmet M76 in .223 up there high and left on that wall..? One don't see those too often in the U.S.
I think it's just that Iconic look of the AK with wooden furniture that some people don't want to mess with. That form with the Banana Magazine and Blonde Wood is recognized the world over, even by people who may not know the name of any other gun.
Hi MAC, I have to say I love your channel and professionalism. Anytime I have a firearms related question or need a review, I turn to your channel first. Needless to say I value your opinion when it comes to firearms. I have a couple of questions. Let me just say I'm on a tight budget like a lot us hard working US citizens. I own 1 shotgun and 2 pistols. I can only afford 1 fighting rifle and that's what I plan to stick with and shoot as much as I can. My question to you is if you were in my position which would you choose? The options can be overwhelming and amount of info (good and bad) even more overwhelming. The factors I'm considering are as follows:
1. Cost (of course, I'm on a budget)
2. Reliability
3. Combat accuracy
4. Bulk Ammo Availability
5. Bulk Ammo ballistics
6. Bulk Ammo Cost
I think at this point I'm leaning towards an AK74. My only 'scare' so to speak is that with the 7N6 ban (so irritating) that bulking might be harder. I can't seem to find any Red Army Standard out there (do have any info on that?) I really appreciate your thoughts on my questions/scenario above. Also, I'm finding it much more difficult these days to find AK74s. Can you recommend a good place to buy one and which type/variant would suit my needs if in fact you feel the AK74 is the best choice? Again thanks for the great vids and your input.
this is a old video.... just popped up on my feed. Perfect timing as I just got my Copper Custom DDI AK47 in full FDE camo. David it was great to do biz with you !!
one aftermarket product id like to see available for the AK is one that'll omit the rear sight block entirely, get that extra weight off the front end, improve balance, make it lighter, and allow better rail options as it would no longer be in the way... something like a saiga 12 gas tube would suffice.. that alone will shave off about .25lbs off the rifle and with everyone using red dots regardless, its not needed
Also, Tim and company - your thoughts on the Atlantic C39 and RAS-47 as a basis for a fighting rifle? I have no AK pattern guns in the safe, yet, and would most definitely want the ergonomics afforded by the newer handguards, adjustable buttstocks, etcetera.
Terry Faugno The C39V2 I have is solid as heck. I've been running it hard, not cleaning it and firing it suppressed and unsuppressed. It's my C39V2 you see in the video I recently posted with the AK Operators Union. I just got a RAS-47 so I can't comment on it yet, but I will.
Yeah, that's why I have an Aimpoint on my Uberti 1873 lever action.
Are you going to do a video on the Valmet up there anytime soon? Or maybe on that FNC? So much cool stuff!
What we really need are more AR10's ( ones with forward assists ). Thank God Daniel Defense finally decided to make an AR10! Now BCM needs to get into gear and make one! By the way, the "new guy" on your channel Tim is awesome and seems to know his stuff. Outstanding video Tim and God Bless
You have an FNC? Do a video on that please! I love the hexagonal body and directly attached charging handle and want to know more about its design.
I think if you're bolting on every rail you can find, you might as well get an AR. However, some stocks/fore ends/etc, do improve usability and ergonomics. I believe in "tasteful" upgrades for AK rifles.
Wow, MAC , you have FN FNC in back there, can you review this rare-beast sometimes ? In my country, we have licenced version of FNC as the standard issue rifle, and it's quite unique AK-AR hybrid design.
Great discussion, guys! My fisrt rifle was a "cheap" M&M AK variant - I loved it from the beginning. I'm not a traditionalist so I don't mind add-ons, but I do have a problem with "pretty" AKs. I like them scuffed, scratched, dinged and used-looking. I do wish my M&M had a butt stock that I could use as a hammer... the expanding, plastic M4 style stock isn't tough enough to pound a tent stake or to bust a doorknob.
The first thing I did to my AK was to get away from the wood. Nice video guys.
The nicest thing I have seen for AK's is that full stock side folder like the AK101 has.
I've been thinking about getting my first ak when I leave cali (hence being only able to get a stupidized one here) and I wanted to find either one with a milled receiver or just buy one separately. Ive heard stamped works fine for the ak74s and such but Ive also seen modern stamped 47s crack at the receiver from too much force, also I feel like it might stabilize the gun Ive noticed in slow mo vids aks always seem to wobble all over, as well as reduce recoil no?
Are those actual Stoner 63s on the wall or the Robinson M96s. Also a FNC too damnnnnnn.
I used to have problems holding a zero on many different mounting systems for the AK. Finally bought a Arsenal side mount that I run my Trijicon TR-24 on. Holds a perfect zero. Finally! lol
My view is i like the classic look of my AKs, I have several in wood furnature. However in a shtf situation my first choice wouls be my cmmg mk47 due to the red dot on it and the flasight as well as how much lighter it is.
My second choice would be a "classic" akm in my collection. There pretty but heavy. Though i do plan for one of the AKs im planing to build from the Dno DX7 kit that may replace the mutant as my go to rifle
I just installed a magpul Zhukov rail on my arsenal SLR-107FR and it's great, now I can have a flashlight and a vertical grip...
My perfect AK would be triangle folder with a nice set of wood hand guards. RS Regulate mounts for flashlight and micro dot, and sling.
I've had a WASR and an old Norinko for years. I reluctantly bought a Centurion C39 recently, and actually LOVE IT.
In fact, I'm probably gonna sell the other two, now.
In my wildest dreams, I never thought I'd even "like" it, (just bought it to try it, then sell).
However I'd buy a "Tactical C39" next. It's "old school", kinda. But modern as well
You are right about modernizing AK's. Except old school is light. That's the only thing the old school AL has is light weight. I'll never go with a thin barrel though on anything.
I think the mutant is a step in the right direction take what people like in bolth systems and combine them.is it an improvement I don't know but it allows me to use 7.62 ammo and inexpensive ak mags on a gun with controls I am use to using. I know training would do the same but I'm lazy. On the other hand I would love me one of those Krebs rifles. Shame I live in NY
I must have modified the look of my Norinco numerous times. I had it in plastic, bullpup kit from KVAR, rails, ect.
The Norinco is back to its original configuration with solid wood stocks. No matter how much I tried, I couldn't improve upon the AK. The standard short wood buttstock is perfect for me. It fits in the truck easily and shoulders nicely. I am done trying to improve perfection. The Norinco will stay 1000% stock from now on!
That being said... Its your rifle, do what ever the hell you want to do with it and screw what everyone else has to say.
I am loving my PSAK GF3. I shoot it 500 yards with very good results. PA 3x prism, ALG trigger and recoil spring.
Can you give a run down of parts on that first AK with the thumb light?
You guys mentioned a light weight AK. The SLR104UR is extremely light, and that is with a 16" barrel. SBRing it would remove at least another pound or 2.
MAC would you please do a short video and point out the type of each of the rifles behind you? I thought I knew a lot about it but there's a couple that stump me. Thanks
Shane K We're building the wall around the room. When it's done I'll do a tour video.
On that fully modified AK, what peep sight is that? Is that a Tech Sight, or? Also I'd like to know about the red dot mount on that AK as well.
Jonathan Leavitt It's a Krebs sighting system. It's not a drop in modification, it's a custom modification.
Military Arms Channel Where can we find more details on this custom mod?
so many people hating on AK guys or AR guys now days. they're both great rifles and are badass whether they are in the original configurations or modernized. GUYS! we're all gun lovers. enjoy them both and try new things! I have a modernized akm and an akm with the old school wood furniture as well as planning to get an AR in the near future
So would my pre-ban Chinese AKM be worth more all decked out with modern gear or in it original?
I am an AK man all the way. I love my AKM and AK 74. I have also put on the enhanced selector switch on both and Rob's sling. An obvious upgrade, although small.
One can overdue with upgrades, but a good soldier is going to upgrade to his actual needs and not beyond. Great video guys, and you and Rob are correct. Besides the original time proven AK bolt, bolt carrier, drive spring, gas piston, and tube remain the same. So why be against adding enhancements to such a superb and simple combat proven weapon?
Hello MAC, the think I don't understand are the guys that have miles of rail space with nothing on there. It's pointless. On my SLR107, I simply threw on an Midwest Industries side mount and an Aimpoint. It allows me to keep the factory looks as the mount comes off in 3 seconds. The gun is also modeled after the AK103, so I wouldn't say it's classic. Also, the reason people hate AR15 stocks is because they make no sense. The design of the buffer tube dictates that an Ar15 must have a telescoping stock. Not so with the AK
I guess a good compromise would be wood furniture with an Ultimak (or similar) gas tube rail and micro dot (and possibly light too). Looks pretty classy, still a lot more effective than the plain rifle.